arguing on wether or not we as a society should share the wealth is insane. Any country that concludes that we shouldnt share the wealth, and that we should not reach out to create a society good for all the people in it does not deserve to call itself a modern country. HTWW is insane. He can see a person lying in a hospital dying and thinking ""Not my responsebility"". Hey, lets just go back to caveman time. No one cares about anyone.
Actually, it doesn't. I've waited in plenty of line here in America. Also, ask a Canadian. Instead of asking an American right-wing prick, find a real Canadian. All of the Canadians I know love (notice I said LOVE) their healthcare. Not only that, but universal health care is cheaper. If you are a fiscal conservative, then this is a good thing. Instead of looking at biased "reporting", why not do some research?
@JawsJaws iam canadian and it is total bullshit.Steve crowder is paid by the healthcare insurence industry to tell his healthcare Propaganda. Not even canadian conservatives are aganist universal healthcare they just want more reforms and a private option,as a canadian i also believe we need reforms and some more privatization
I live in a country with healthcare and buttom line...It sucks! You people in the US have no idea how lucky you are to have the system you have.. We are taxed to death for it!
@imdb2004 what country do you live in? Because I have research it many times and it seems that most European countries with Universal health care are happy with it. I think ur just unlucky ahah. sorry ma man.
@imdb2004 I live in Canada..for the most part healthcare is a great thing to have but with it comes some limits. Doctors in Canada send people to the US to pay for scans, CT's, MRI among other things..then when they get the results they go back to their doctor in Canada and that doctor can then proceed to treat them..
No I think they have. Democrats who believe in government stimulus, central planning, high taxes are the ones who exude breathtaking economic ignorance.
oh, for freak's sake, just quit private insurance almost completely and replace it with universal health care provided by the government, increase the taxes in order to pay for that, and definitely increase the taxes for the richer people more! some people can't afford basic health care while some people have more money than some countries? HELL NO! the whole american system is flawed, the systems they use in UK, Netherlands, Sweden etc. are a lot better!
Wow, this is what happens when somebody goes into a debate without prepping himself with information about the actual argument first. Seriously, Lee could have at least looked this shit up on Wikipedia before going in.
Interesting that around 11:40 Doren Ironically states that "You can not economically just tax just one portion of the population and expect in not to harm everyone else"...
So why do we have Tax cuts to the Wealthy then Doren?
Cenk Ungyr was very dignified and eloquent in his debate with the individual in this video. Also, this video shows that when conservatives have to debate in a rational, civil manner, they simply can't stack up, which is why they so often resort to screaming, tantrums, and sometimes violence. Again, Mr. Ungyr debates as a true gentleman, as did the coservative in this video.
Cenk is completely overlooking the fact that EVERYONE will be insured and you WILL pay for it. That alone is enough to eventually drive private companies out of business.
@hotfudgemoney First of all. Public option would not give everyone health care. he even explained it in the debate. Its just another option. And he never said that you dont pay for it. Thats what lee said and Cenk said that you will pay for. Its just like regular insurance except its an option from the government. So you are being a hypocrite because you completely overlooked that entire interview.
@lambofreak55 What are you talking about? The public option does not itself give everyone insurance.... The government's health care plan DOES insure everyone. It's NOT a public option, you STILL have to pay the tax for the health care regardless of whether or not you use it... How is that an option? It's NOTHING like regular insurance. Your understanding of this is hilariously wrong. I "completely overlooked that entire interview"?
@hotfudgemoney Ok first of all i never said that it gives everyone insurance. I even said that in my second sentece. Second, the public option is not funded by taxes. That would make it a subsidiary which it is not. it is funded by a monthly rate from each member just like any other insurance. The only difference is that rates are lower because the government doesnt need to make a profit to keep it running.
It may be expensive, but there are a couple of things to say:
1. It's less expensive than private insurance companies, because a. the government wouldn't try to make a profit, and b. there's no middle-man;
2. In the long run, it's better because you'll get coverage when you get something that you expect the least. You can get lung cancer even if you don't smoke. Can you pay for the treatment right now? Probably not.
@abaddon5 It is NOT less expensive if you're someone who wants to buy their OWN healthcare. You are boxed into purchasing the government's healthcare so if you want to buy your own you have to pay for both. And if you don't buy your own, you're stuck with subpar healthcare that you HAVE to pay for, because the government says so. Reformed privatized health care would have a much better end result.
Comments like "he kicked his ass" are kind of silly. I was actually quite impressed by the quality of the debate, especially after having seen some of the leftist propaganda that has come out of Cenk's mouth before. And I even have to admit that Cenk's defense of the public option was very well argued, although his position that the government, which is the King of inefficiency, could run something more efficiently than the private sector is certainly dubious.
@Eldeecue2 No one said the private sector was "Always" efficient, but when the government isn't efficient, it falls on you AND ME. It's our tax dollars being wasted. When a private company does something, the weight and consequences of failure or a slow pace on a specific project, falls on no one but the owner of that company. With that in mind, who do you think has more to lose? Who has the larger incentive to cover their ass, by fulfilling their duties on time?
@RightLibertarian When it comes to healthcare it's been proven to be more efficient. Medicare certainly has several problems with it, but when looking just at it's budget numbers, only 97% of the money taken in goes directly to providing for healthcare. You cannot find a private health insurance firm that uses more than 85% of the money it brings in for health care. 15-30% always has to go toward costs/profits
i suggest u read "On the road to serfdom" and "Economics in one lesson"
If you have any bit of sensibility, u would realize the insensible nature of socialism and how it outright destroys the productive capacity of individuals. govt can never improve the lives of the individuals
not corporatism- capitalism & the free market! lol If you have any understanding for basic economics, u would realize the ludicrous nonsense of socialism. It will only destroy wealth by not only hindering the incentives to create wealth- ie profit & self interest, but will then replace it with the parasitic whims of power hungry egotists. It is SOCIALISM which breeds fascism/corporatism/communism/statism!
@swu880 the ultra rich will spend the money on themselves and their families not the thousands in their employ thats why i advocate a higher upper bracket income tax not a higher business tax and through their tax dollars a left wing government which we dont have right now can spend and create many more jobs more efficiently than any millionaires or billionaire
@ChrisRamsland94 government organizations do not operate on a profit system and are paid for by either subsidies or completely by taxation the main problem is that america has the most expensive healthcare system in the the world but has fewer doctors and nurses per person than anywhere in western Europe and most of eastern Europe and is ranked 37th for overall return. I live in the UK where all healthcare including prescription charges is free, efficient and almost entirely government owned.
@Sleck06 Who exactly pays for this government (basically only) option? I find America's healthcare system to be just excellent, the treatment is very prompt and the overall care is superb. Granted this is likely because I am a very privileged individual, our lower class is not in as great of shape. But why should I care?, or have money that would go to my inheritance be forcefully spent on someone else who will inevitably die anyway?
@ChrisRamsland94 I too come from a wealthy background believe it or not my father is the managing director of a medium scale construction company but just because i'm taken care of medically doesn't mean i'm going condemn the majority of my fellow citizens to cancer, disease and premature death just because i and my family want to avoid a 2 percent tax increase which you seem willing if not happy to do. PS. there is a private market for medical treatment in the UK which is quicker but costly.
@ChrisRamsland94 If you feel so strongly about paying for them to stay alive, you can do it with your own money. I don't see why I should be forced to part with mine if I don't want such a program.
@Salvysahagun thats not true because medication would still have to be prescribed and regulated by a doctor. Both public and universal health care would make it less expensive or cover it completly. So the cost would go down, not the frequency of which you can get it.
Drug companies have an incentive to make sure their drugs are not dangerous... they want it to be sold and want their users ALIVE!! On top of that they do not want to lose money through lawsuits. It's already in the drug company's BEST INTEREST to make sure the drug is safe. If anything there is too much regulation.
Cenk was wrong though lol... the government would NOT be operating on people paying primaries... the whole point of the public option is that it would be a free alternative. The bill itself did not fund it through premiums... they are not even having a fair debate because they are not debating the text...
@safewaysecurity Um no it wasnt to be a free alternative, that would be universal healthcare and thats not what the public option is, you have to pay PREMIUMS. As for the drug co regulation you are full of shit. According to the New England Journal of Medicine before regulation drug co's bribed physicians and researchers for positive reviews and put most of the money into marketing instead of actual research then charged outrageous prices for drugs of dubious value. Too much regulation my ass.
@CarlosMarti123 LOL> Its a claim from a person who values clarity in argument. And the diff in subscribers is because if you listen to Lee's chanel, he makes no figgin sense.
@hotfudgemoney what?? go back and check again TYT has 6-digit number of subscribers while lee has 5-digit number and TYT got half a billion views....absolutely no comparison there.
So now we have a competitor(the government) which cant fail even if it goes bankrupt (just like social security and medicare) competing with corporations that can fail. baxtar, do you really believe the government should force people to buy healthcare? I think i should have a choice because of the constitution. You don't have to own a car, so essentially you don't have to buy insurance. The sole existence of corporations to to maximize the shareholders profit. It is up to them for social responc
Doran is a Moran. Single payer for all. Medicare only covers a high risk group and has too much fraud. Include all young people paying into program and it will pay for itself. The healthy out weigh the sick, thats how life insurance is profitable for investors. Fact it works in canada and many other countries.
How can somebody seem so smart (Lee Doran) and actually be a moron. We should have single payer Medicare for all. For any system to function be it Life Insurance, Car insurance, Health Insurance etc then everybody needs to be included. Medicare is in the red because only high risk people are in it and there is too much fraud. If there were millions of healthy young people paying into it than it will work just like in other countries. What if a company insured only bad drivers? They would fail.
@killj00s Well I don't agree with killing tyhem but if you mean to jail liberals who are pedophiles I agree.... Wht it sounds to me like you are OK with republican pedophiles.... weird!
After answering a point from HTWW with “So Harvard was right the inability to pay health cost contributed to their bankruptcies. The fact when anybody comes out with research (even top quality institutions like Harvard) that blows a hole in your childlike views you react like any 4th rate amateur propagandist you ether belittle or choose ignore those facts.” Instead of a ignore or reply he choose to block, what a coward the man is.
Hah. This Turk doesn't know history, if he thinks corporations are all free-enterprise oriented. Do you remember the British Empire? They rocked your folks, because their corporations had a monopoly on money and influence, provided by... not the free market.. but by the government. I love how you fight for the very people that enslave you. It's gold.
Lee, as any today's conservative, does not provides solutions to today's problems, he answer are classic. just leave things as they are and argue any proposed solution.... god dam republicans, they're killing america
@stevan5000 Lee just offered some solutions right at the end of the video... i believe there needs to be health care reform but its more than just insurgence companies trying to make money. the health care industry is insane in the country pharmaceuticals, doctors, care everything costs way more than its supposed to in this country. look at other countries especially Canada on basic labor costs...
Guess what? It's already been shown that the HC "reforms" are a scam written by insurance agency lobbyists. Your insurance costs will rise and you will be FORCED TO BUY HEALTH INSURANCE OR BE FINED.
I think, by European (or just 'civilised world') standards, Cenk is actually fairly conservative. But because he's not a bigot, zealot, sociopath, retard or ignoramus, he ends up being forced into the US 'liberal' or 'progressive' camp.
I dont see how anyone can say Cenk kicked his ass,,,this was a good discussion and both sides made good points,,,I dont think Cenk understands what is being proposed because the legislation didnt include a public option or universal healthcare,,,this whole debate was pointless because what we have now is mandated insurance and now we find out that we will be taxed up the ass for this and it doesnt cover pre ext cond. and even mpore people will be uninsuired ,,btw cenk the fda approves poison
from source watch (philip morris gave a lot of money to CEI when the FDA were trying to put cigarettes under their category, CEI has been going after the FDA ever since) paraphrased of course
@btan1994 I was listening. EVERY government program is subsidized by the taxpayers... Every single one... Take off the socialist goggles and wake up. This bill WILL lead to a single payer system... Cenk sites the CBO's assessment of this bill. That is laughable. They were of by 100% with "Cash for Clunkers"... 100% off of a 1 billion dollar program.. Healthcare is 1/6 th of the economy... Why do people trust the government???? Nothing is FREE in this world. The money has to come from somewhere.
Lee gave a weak argument, but the real question in this debate is does it cost more to cover something with preexisting condition (Cancer for say) without denying them coverage run by the government or does it cost more barely raising the price and making a little profit. Insurance companies make one for the lowest profit margins in any business. Private Markets are always better run than the government i promise it will much more expense with the public option
Lee gave a weak argument, but the real question in this debate is does it cost more to cover something with preexisting condition (Cancer for say) without denying them coverage run by the government or does it cost more barely raising the price and making a little profit. Insurance companies make one for the lowest profit margins in any business. Private Markets are always better run than the government i promise it will much more expense with the public option
Why do conservatives think that all of the CEO's are poor and all their money are going into their business. The gov. taxes income. CEO's make millions a year. If there's a 2% tax on someone making $2,000,000 a year, I could live with it, they could live with it.
@DblOSmith Just saying, but according to the IRS booklet I recieved in 2009, the tax on 90k a year is almost 34%, and since we have a progressive tax system, that puts people at 2,000,000 a year, probably near 60%-70% tax.
@DblOSmith yeah and they give 38% of their wealth if not more and still an average poor person is given 40000 dollars a year how is anyone homeless the government cant run a damn thing well
@soccer92489 Wow, poor people are given $40,000 a year? I'll be to tell some of my friends who've been looking for jobs for years, without luck. Any idea what specific program gives out that money and how they might apply?
It's not "their" business. CEOs are managers appointed for the benefit of the shareholders. Taxing them is like taxing any other employee. It is inefficient, stupid and immoral but people need to wake the fuck up. It isn't the owners they're taxing.
@DblOSmith - where did you get this ridiculous idea that conservatives believe CEO's are poor? The uber wealthy pay enormous taxes. Much more than 2%. The top 10% of wage earners pay over 70% of all taxes.
you know i'm not against HTWW but the way he does it, if he was like this more often i would watch his videos, i have conservative views and i share some with HTWW but the way he acts i could never attach my name to his i would feel intellectually compromised
@PyreOfFate: Correction, Lee won and I'll tell you why. Cenk makes the assertion that this government insurance company will not require tax dollar support. I'll tell you how it ends right now. Either A: the entire thing will collapse because a higher proportion of sick go to gov coverage..or..more likely B: Congress realizes they've run out of cash and say, "We're just gonna dip a little into tax dollars." Then it's not deficit-neutral and will grow out of control like so many gov programs.
@mikebgood Wrong. A: Yeah, a higher percentage would switch over. Which means nothing. Everyone on the public option will be paying a premium. The difference is, the government's intent isn't to make a profit. And not only will sick people join, but so will healthy people who are uninsured, and people from other insurance companies who want lower premiums. All those premiums will fund the public option, as they do the private insurance companies. So, B: No, congress won't. Hope that clarifies.
@Key2daUnderground Pyre was basically saying that if we simply eliminate profit we can make the program work. My response is that profit is necessary.
@mikebgood lmfao. Yeah, that's a nice quote and all- it's not true though. Especially not in this context. Profit is the problem. Profit is the reason the system is broken. Profit is the reason private insurance companies drop people when they get sick. It's the reason they won't insure people who are sick.
That's their prerogative. They didn't open a company to help people, they opened it to make money. That's fine. The problem is, they're screwing, and in many ways, robbing and killing....
@mikebgood ...people, by collecting their premiums for years, and then dropping them when they get sick. I'm sure we can agree this robbery, and indirectly, it's murder. Why is this happening? Profit. Is Profit telling the insurance companies to serve the people? lmfao. Of course it's not.
Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against making a profit. But I don't want to die. If I pay for insurance, I want it if and when I need it. The public option solves this indisputable problem.
@mikebgood No, that's not right. Option A: even if everyone goes for it, they still all pay their premiums. And if people are higher risk, their premiums go up just like with a normal company. If a ton of people join an normal insurance company, the company doesn't collapse under the strain, it expands to meet the demand with the extra income the additional people bring. Option B: Wont happen. You can always price risk to ensure you wont make a loss. Basic risk management that.
its really simple, even if a company has health insurance there business taxes will go up, that is why its cheaper to drop health insurance, so they don't pay 2x. they just pay the increased taxes. Won't save 150 Bilion?? you collect taxes 10years & have health care for only 6. your spending at almost a 2 to 1 clip. what happens in the following years. this is why medicare & medicaid are broke.
Extreme socialism is a failed experiment repeated over and over in history. Don't you remember when you were a kid hearing about people in the Soviet Union waiting 3 months for a government issued light bulb, or waiting for government rationed bread just to find it's riddled with mold. Do you really expect our government to manage dollars better than "we the people" can for ourselves? Oh hey dip#### it's going to be TAX DOLLARS that will pay for your public option. Enjoy!
@sailgoal Consider Northern Europe, decades of the highest taxes on the top 5% in the world has made places like Denmark and Norway the most Equal and Wealthy populations on Earth.
Best standards of living, best healthcare and education, next to no crime, highly skilled innovative economies.
Regulated banks which hardly took a dent.. Places like Greece had conservatives which deregulated insanely, 30% of Greek GDP is undeclared !
conservatism is fail, scams and neglect of investment.
@marsCubed - one cannot compare the economies of Denmark & Norway which have populations smaller than New York City combined to other places in the world. Its easy to socialize certain aspects of the economy and have it work with such small populations. Socialism fails every time its tried on a broader scale. Yes people in places like Norway & Sweden are equal economically but what was the last major innovation to come out of those countries? Sameness breeds apathy and xenophobia.
@RocktheStageNYC Denmark & Norway are part of a spectrum right across the EU.
Denmark is selling one of the largest engineering projects in the world to the UK ATM, off-shore windfarms. New innovation in blade design, expanding markets, decades of investment in education and expertise.
USA's free-market jingoism, gross inequality. Pimps, prisons, barely employable conditioned morons is 'interesting' it's true. but it is also economic neglect & miserable fail. In debt to your own rich.. pathetic.
@marsCubed - somebody from the UK should NOT lecture anyone in the US on economic issues. Your economic socialism is destroying your country and your NHS has been killing people left & right because of rationing and inadequate care for decades. It really comes down to Europeans just can't figure out why more people immigrate here than every country combined. Free market works and socialism fails - every time its tried.
People dying in the streets, rip-offs & private quacks, bonus scams stealing pensions. 3rd world shanty towns is the free market.
So the rich can steal using property to drive workers into lower wage, it de-skills forces people into debt, trashes economies with unemployable neglect and waste.
The most socialized health systems are the best in the world. Japan, Denmark, Norway. look it up.
@marsCubed Tiny Norway actually exports more than it imports, that's why it's a success story. most of the government revenue from the oil business is taxation, the profits are saved into a stock saving, which we hardly use any of at all, like 10% of the interest. Capitalism has "failed" because UK and US forgot the most basic part of capitalism.... Capital.
What do taxes have to do with equality, of course ignoring the fact that a "progressive" tax structure is inherently unfair, that is. And living on the govt dole, under a monarchy, is not an example of being wealthy.
"highly skilled innovative economies"
Huh? Is that why Denmark & Norway are such economic powerhouses in world affairs?
"Greece had conservatives which deregulated insanely"
You mean Socialist-run Greece or that imaginary Greece?
@sailgoal I read your comment about stories of people in the soviet union waiting 3 months for a light bulb and it did reminded me of stories i heard growing up in the UK. I remember hearing stories from history about times when people had to pay for medicine and how the poor died because they couldnt afford doctors. It's still kinda a shock to me that pretty much that same system is happening in america because you have this strange phobia of socialism.
@Fangtorn - there is good cause to reject socialism - it doesn't work. When everyone is equal no one is. Socialism stifles growth & innovation. America has THE best medical care in the world. Why? Because we pay for it. Countries like the UK with socialized medicine have terrible care with people dying on waiting lists, rationing and poor hospital conditions. That doesn't happen here in the US. Thats why people from the UK & Canada come here for major operations
@RocktheStageNYC There is good cause to reject COMPLETE socialism, not ALL socialism. The fire department, the police, the military and education are socialist. The government should be running them, but i don't think they should be making cars.
You don't have the best healthcare in the world by any stretch of the imagination. The WHO ranks you 37th on healthcare. You talk about the NHS killing people yet you have a system where healthcare companies make money if their customers die. WTF?
anybody saying that somebody got nailed in this debate isn't seeing straight. I think it was a very even set of arguments and very civil, and i think both sides had good points.
If the host would actually listen to people, with out constantly being worried about being heard, His IQ would go up.
The Flaw in the health care bill is that emplyers will most likely do the cheaper of the two. Pay the increased premiums of exsisting Ins plans, or pay the fine and dump people, who will than have NO OPTION but the PUBLIC OPTION. Why is that so hard to understand????
the dem's are being wimpy. i cant wait for the repubtards to take there ideas then use them when they're in office. i do have to admitt at least Bushy's bullhead there way into getting shit don't instead its obama goin "please. could we please work together ok i'll bend over"
This debate was a lot more civil than I was expecting. I think Doren's mistaken in his anaysis of the public option: the public option isn't about arbitrarily setting prices like "ok, this kind of procedure isn't allowed to go above 100 dollars", it's simply getting rid of advertising costs and managerial bonuses, which will bring down the cost of the service. Now the public option could be wrong for other reasons, but that's not one of them, IMO.
Brown voted for the Massachusetts health care reform which accepted federal money. So, the rest of the country paid for Massachusetts health care reform. Maybe if Massachusetts had paid for their own health care reform, then they could complain about paying for it twice. Even Brown said that public option could be good for other states, but for whatever reason he doesn't want other states to get the same federal funding that his state got.
well done both Lee and TYT for a perfectly good debate over this. both sides gave each other a good amount of time and i feel this was probably the BEST debate about the subject i have EVER SEEN. Both Lee and TYT can give yourselves a pat on the back for a proper concise and sensible debate. 5 stars to you both!!
You called it allhomosshouldie, healthcare is dead for now, at leat in its original pathetic form. Although his nationality has nothing to do with his ideology,this host is a liberal first as all liberals think this way.
It would be sad if healthcare is dead because that would be a loss to the American people who want healthcare reform with a public option. Only 19% of Brown voters thought he should stop the Democratic Agenda, but 48% thought he should work with the Democrats and 37% felt angry with Republican policies in Congress. 52% of Brown voters said healthcare reform was their top issue.
I was looking at a couple of polls. One was a Rasumusen poll and the other was a Washington Post/Kaiser/Harvard poll. Cenk discusses one of the polls in his video "PCCC - Polls Tell Real Story Of Coakley Loss To Brown".
Since when have polls told the whole story? And I checked out those polls, and I like how you try to spin it, 19% you have correct, but then you imply that the 48% want him to work "with" democrats to further their agenda, But that isn't what the question stated, It stated to work with the democrats to get "more republican legislature passed", and not what you tried to imply. and nice spin on the 52% that said it was their top issue, but you conveniently forgot to mention that they don't want it
I wanted to make sure I wasn't being biased. I looked at every poll I could find about healthcare reform and commentary about the polls. It turns out Rusmussen is a Republican and has worked for the Republican party. One chart I saw compared one of Rasmussen's polls to several others. All of the other polls showed strong support for healthcare reform, but Rasmussen was slightly lower.
Some of the polls showed that the public was misinformed about the healthcare bill, but when shown the actual details of the bill they were more supportive. The public criticism of the bill seemed to center on how to pay for it. That is fair, but it's interesting that the government passes bills that cost way more without anyone ever questioning how to pay for them. The Republicans don't care about saving money or limiting government as the last several Republican administrations prove.
the host arguments as an economical illiterate in desguise.
Maybe he has a degree or more probably, he's just another ignorant journalist. The thing is that this man surely doesn't understand scarcity and price system.
arguing on wether or not we as a society should share the wealth is insane. Any country that concludes that we shouldnt share the wealth, and that we should not reach out to create a society good for all the people in it does not deserve to call itself a modern country. HTWW is insane. He can see a person lying in a hospital dying and thinking ""Not my responsebility"". Hey, lets just go back to caveman time. No one cares about anyone.
gulbirk 2 months ago
Watch Steven Crowder's video about Canadian healthcare. It will open your eyes.
JawsJaws 3 months ago
@JawsJaws
Actually, it doesn't. I've waited in plenty of line here in America. Also, ask a Canadian. Instead of asking an American right-wing prick, find a real Canadian. All of the Canadians I know love (notice I said LOVE) their healthcare. Not only that, but universal health care is cheaper. If you are a fiscal conservative, then this is a good thing. Instead of looking at biased "reporting", why not do some research?
abaddon5 2 months ago
@JawsJaws iam canadian and it is total bullshit.Steve crowder is paid by the healthcare insurence industry to tell his healthcare Propaganda. Not even canadian conservatives are aganist universal healthcare they just want more reforms and a private option,as a canadian i also believe we need reforms and some more privatization
harrisonconstantinou 3 weeks ago
Keynes :D 100%
chivasx557 6 months ago
LOL the comments on this video are hilarious. What do you Liberals know about economics? Keynes? Get the fuck out.
hotfudgemoney 6 months ago
Odd that this video is preceded by a anti Obama ad.
snakeguy76 6 months ago
This guy doesn't even know what he's talking about. LOL He just continues to spew right-wing slogans.
Seedofwinter 6 months ago
@Seedofwinter right wing slogans? there wasnt one slogan in this entire conversation. From either side.
lambofreak55 6 months ago
'Well then what you're describing isn't exactly what is being proposed"
"...well it is...."
This lee Doren guy didn't seem to know what he was talking about. Got schooled here, poor shmuck.
moreoreos123 8 months ago
I love the way Cenk patronizes this guy. I LOVE it. LUST.
SUPPLEANDFIRM 8 months ago
Good debate
TheFlameoftheWest 8 months ago
I live in a country with healthcare and buttom line...It sucks! You people in the US have no idea how lucky you are to have the system you have.. We are taxed to death for it!
imdb2004 8 months ago
@imdb2004 LOL...clown. Where do you live, you clown.
tstruss912 8 months ago
@tstruss912 Clown eh??? Keep calling people who can beat u 2 a pulp and you'll need health care..you fuckin little goof....where do u live?????
imdb2004 8 months ago
@imdb2004 That's what I thought, you lying AMERICAN clown. Go back to your Tea Party meeting. LOL
tstruss912 8 months ago
@imdb2004 what country do you live in? Because I have research it many times and it seems that most European countries with Universal health care are happy with it. I think ur just unlucky ahah. sorry ma man.
lambofreak55 6 months ago
@imdb2004 I live in Canada..for the most part healthcare is a great thing to have but with it comes some limits. Doctors in Canada send people to the US to pay for scans, CT's, MRI among other things..then when they get the results they go back to their doctor in Canada and that doctor can then proceed to treat them..
imdb2004 6 months ago
@imdb2004 that sounds shitty
RaabBlog 6 months ago
Oh, you go Cenk. You absolutely destroyed him. Republicans have never passed econ101.
syzygy501 9 months ago 3
@syzygy501
No I think they have. Democrats who believe in government stimulus, central planning, high taxes are the ones who exude breathtaking economic ignorance.
regelemihai 7 months ago
@syzygy501 lawl @ yew
hotfudgemoney 6 months ago
oh, for freak's sake, just quit private insurance almost completely and replace it with universal health care provided by the government, increase the taxes in order to pay for that, and definitely increase the taxes for the richer people more! some people can't afford basic health care while some people have more money than some countries? HELL NO! the whole american system is flawed, the systems they use in UK, Netherlands, Sweden etc. are a lot better!
bbphnix 9 months ago
Wow, this is what happens when somebody goes into a debate without prepping himself with information about the actual argument first. Seriously, Lee could have at least looked this shit up on Wikipedia before going in.
hex37 9 months ago
Interesting that around 11:40 Doren Ironically states that "You can not economically just tax just one portion of the population and expect in not to harm everyone else"...
So why do we have Tax cuts to the Wealthy then Doren?
norvman 10 months ago
Cenk Ungyr was very dignified and eloquent in his debate with the individual in this video. Also, this video shows that when conservatives have to debate in a rational, civil manner, they simply can't stack up, which is why they so often resort to screaming, tantrums, and sometimes violence. Again, Mr. Ungyr debates as a true gentleman, as did the coservative in this video.
piousone 10 months ago
Cenk is completely overlooking the fact that EVERYONE will be insured and you WILL pay for it. That alone is enough to eventually drive private companies out of business.
hotfudgemoney 10 months ago
@hotfudgemoney First of all. Public option would not give everyone health care. he even explained it in the debate. Its just another option. And he never said that you dont pay for it. Thats what lee said and Cenk said that you will pay for. Its just like regular insurance except its an option from the government. So you are being a hypocrite because you completely overlooked that entire interview.
lambofreak55 6 months ago
@lambofreak55 What are you talking about? The public option does not itself give everyone insurance.... The government's health care plan DOES insure everyone. It's NOT a public option, you STILL have to pay the tax for the health care regardless of whether or not you use it... How is that an option? It's NOTHING like regular insurance. Your understanding of this is hilariously wrong. I "completely overlooked that entire interview"?
hotfudgemoney 6 months ago
@hotfudgemoney Ok first of all i never said that it gives everyone insurance. I even said that in my second sentece. Second, the public option is not funded by taxes. That would make it a subsidiary which it is not. it is funded by a monthly rate from each member just like any other insurance. The only difference is that rates are lower because the government doesnt need to make a profit to keep it running.
lambofreak55 6 months ago
I've never seen Lee Doren try to make a point without either over generalizing, straw manning, or employing argument-from-verbosity.
No surprises here.
Eldeecue2 10 months ago
@Eldeecue2 Show me one straw man in this video?
hotfudgemoney 10 months ago
@hotfudgemony
This whole LEE individual made up of straws
dharmaatdawn 6 months ago
The public option seems reasonable, but what about the really poor?
I hope universal health care is workable, but it seems expensive.
kidwhocracked 11 months ago
@kidwhocracked
It may be expensive, but there are a couple of things to say:
1. It's less expensive than private insurance companies, because a. the government wouldn't try to make a profit, and b. there's no middle-man;
2. In the long run, it's better because you'll get coverage when you get something that you expect the least. You can get lung cancer even if you don't smoke. Can you pay for the treatment right now? Probably not.
abaddon5 10 months ago
@abaddon5 It is NOT less expensive if you're someone who wants to buy their OWN healthcare. You are boxed into purchasing the government's healthcare so if you want to buy your own you have to pay for both. And if you don't buy your own, you're stuck with subpar healthcare that you HAVE to pay for, because the government says so. Reformed privatized health care would have a much better end result.
hotfudgemoney 10 months ago
Comments like "he kicked his ass" are kind of silly. I was actually quite impressed by the quality of the debate, especially after having seen some of the leftist propaganda that has come out of Cenk's mouth before. And I even have to admit that Cenk's defense of the public option was very well argued, although his position that the government, which is the King of inefficiency, could run something more efficiently than the private sector is certainly dubious.
RightLibertarian 11 months ago
@RightLibertarian
Much like your argument that the government is always inefficient and the private sector is _always_ efficient, is certainly dubious? : )
Eldeecue2 10 months ago
@Eldeecue2 Can you give an example of the government being more efficient than the private sector? I can give plenty of examples going the other way.
RightLibertarian 10 months ago
@Eldeecue2 No one said the private sector was "Always" efficient, but when the government isn't efficient, it falls on you AND ME. It's our tax dollars being wasted. When a private company does something, the weight and consequences of failure or a slow pace on a specific project, falls on no one but the owner of that company. With that in mind, who do you think has more to lose? Who has the larger incentive to cover their ass, by fulfilling their duties on time?
hotfudgemoney 10 months ago
@RightLibertarian When it comes to healthcare it's been proven to be more efficient. Medicare certainly has several problems with it, but when looking just at it's budget numbers, only 97% of the money taken in goes directly to providing for healthcare. You cannot find a private health insurance firm that uses more than 85% of the money it brings in for health care. 15-30% always has to go toward costs/profits
Mestilf22 2 months ago
Lee kicked his ass
FourOnSix713 11 months ago
Wasn't Nixon in favor of an employer mandate?
steelersguy74 1 year ago
this was a nice, well spirited debate.
raptothecore 1 year ago
And as we can see cenk dont understand taxes one single bit- typical of neo cons & liberals
swu880 1 year ago
@swu880 lol
WoWBronxe 1 year ago
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@swu880
lol And as we can see swu880 dont understand taxes one single bit
Feralus69 1 year ago
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@swu880 and you don't understand English?
BrianSterle 1 year ago
@swu880 And where did you get that from this video? If you are gonna make an argument then support it. That way you won't look like a troll
MMaeidlilniAW 1 year ago
liberals never passed econ101. Theres a reason why many corporations aint in favor of a free market- ACCOUNTABILITY & COMPETITION!
in the current state, we have FASCISM- aka the marriage of govt & select corporations. Liberals & neo cons dont understand private property at all
cenk really dont understand the disaster of the new obamacare & all socialized/fascist/communist healthcare & businesses.
swu880 1 year ago
@swu880 Yup thats why the happiest countries out there are ones with universal healthcare.
MMaeidlilniAW 1 year ago
@MMaeidlilniAW
i suggest u read "On the road to serfdom" and "Economics in one lesson"
If you have any bit of sensibility, u would realize the insensible nature of socialism and how it outright destroys the productive capacity of individuals. govt can never improve the lives of the individuals
swu880 10 months ago
@swu880 so unregulated corporatism can?
Sleck06 9 months ago
@Sleck06
not corporatism- capitalism & the free market! lol If you have any understanding for basic economics, u would realize the ludicrous nonsense of socialism. It will only destroy wealth by not only hindering the incentives to create wealth- ie profit & self interest, but will then replace it with the parasitic whims of power hungry egotists. It is SOCIALISM which breeds fascism/corporatism/communism/statism!
swu880 9 months ago
@swu880 the ultra rich will spend the money on themselves and their families not the thousands in their employ thats why i advocate a higher upper bracket income tax not a higher business tax and through their tax dollars a left wing government which we dont have right now can spend and create many more jobs more efficiently than any millionaires or billionaire
Sleck06 9 months ago
@Sleck06 This is hilarious, name one government organization that has private competition and is not subsidized?
ChrisRamsland94 9 months ago
@ChrisRamsland94 government organizations do not operate on a profit system and are paid for by either subsidies or completely by taxation the main problem is that america has the most expensive healthcare system in the the world but has fewer doctors and nurses per person than anywhere in western Europe and most of eastern Europe and is ranked 37th for overall return. I live in the UK where all healthcare including prescription charges is free, efficient and almost entirely government owned.
Sleck06 9 months ago
@Sleck06 Who exactly pays for this government (basically only) option? I find America's healthcare system to be just excellent, the treatment is very prompt and the overall care is superb. Granted this is likely because I am a very privileged individual, our lower class is not in as great of shape. But why should I care?, or have money that would go to my inheritance be forcefully spent on someone else who will inevitably die anyway?
ChrisRamsland94 9 months ago
@ChrisRamsland94 I too come from a wealthy background believe it or not my father is the managing director of a medium scale construction company but just because i'm taken care of medically doesn't mean i'm going condemn the majority of my fellow citizens to cancer, disease and premature death just because i and my family want to avoid a 2 percent tax increase which you seem willing if not happy to do. PS. there is a private market for medical treatment in the UK which is quicker but costly.
Sleck06 9 months ago
@ChrisRamsland94 If you feel so strongly about paying for them to stay alive, you can do it with your own money. I don't see why I should be forced to part with mine if I don't want such a program.
ChrisRamsland94 9 months ago
@ChrisRamsland94
All that shit does is drives up cost
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun enlighten me... It seems that my adoration for private property has blinded me to the greater good.
ChrisRamsland94 9 months ago
@ChrisRamsland94
If everyone can get as much medication as they want. then people will literally get as much as they can.
Then the demmand will go up, thus so will the price.
Salvysahagun 9 months ago
@Salvysahagun thats not true because medication would still have to be prescribed and regulated by a doctor. Both public and universal health care would make it less expensive or cover it completly. So the cost would go down, not the frequency of which you can get it.
lambofreak55 6 months ago
This Turk fellow is very smooth. An experienced speaker. That's about it.
chapaev36 1 year ago
Drug companies have an incentive to make sure their drugs are not dangerous... they want it to be sold and want their users ALIVE!! On top of that they do not want to lose money through lawsuits. It's already in the drug company's BEST INTEREST to make sure the drug is safe. If anything there is too much regulation.
safewaysecurity 1 year ago
Cenk was wrong though lol... the government would NOT be operating on people paying primaries... the whole point of the public option is that it would be a free alternative. The bill itself did not fund it through premiums... they are not even having a fair debate because they are not debating the text...
safewaysecurity 1 year ago
@safewaysecurity Um no it wasnt to be a free alternative, that would be universal healthcare and thats not what the public option is, you have to pay PREMIUMS. As for the drug co regulation you are full of shit. According to the New England Journal of Medicine before regulation drug co's bribed physicians and researchers for positive reviews and put most of the money into marketing instead of actual research then charged outrageous prices for drugs of dubious value. Too much regulation my ass.
jwhyte67 1 year ago
How The World Works? Not how Lee Doren sees it, that's a no-brainer.
xXshinzoXx 1 year ago
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LOL Cenk destroyed him. There is a reason that TYT has 10 times as many subscribers than How the world works?
Tradd9 1 year ago 11
@Tradd9 Perhaps because TYT was created in 2005, while HTWW was only created in 2008?
And can you tell me exactly how Cenk "destroyed" him, or is it just another unsupported and biased claim from another TYT fan?
CarlosMarti123 11 months ago
@CarlosMarti123 LOL> Its a claim from a person who values clarity in argument. And the diff in subscribers is because if you listen to Lee's chanel, he makes no figgin sense.
Tradd9 11 months ago
@Tradd9 Values clarity in argument? Pshhh... don't give me that BS.
Perhaps the reason he doesn't make sense to you is because:
1) You're just a liberal-biased sheep who doesn't actually listen to the video
2) Your tiny mind is not complex enough to understand it.
CarlosMarti123 11 months ago
@Tradd9 There is also a reason why Cenk went to the best business school in America and an Ivy league law school.
SUPPLEANDFIRM 8 months ago
@Tradd9
Its called Production value
Salvysahagun 6 months ago
@Tradd9 Haaaa
hotfudgemoney 6 months ago
@Tradd9 Actually, Lee Doren has 10,000 more subscribers than the Young Turks, nice.
hotfudgemoney 6 months ago
@hotfudgemoney what?? go back and check again TYT has 6-digit number of subscribers while lee has 5-digit number and TYT got half a billion views....absolutely no comparison there.
hatessmug 6 months ago
@hotfudgemoney this is their "interviews" channel idiot.
RaabBlog 6 months ago
@RaabBlog I missed that one, eh?
hotfudgemoney 6 months ago
The Young greaseball channel, nice. Future Communists of America
avataz 1 year ago
@avataz
you got it wrong avataz
liberals are pushing for socialist programs to redistribute the wealth in this country
you could benefit from these programs also unless your wealthy
heybert05 1 year ago
@heybert05 In a newer video Cenk has made the point that both parties want to redistribute wealth. Its jut the direction thats different
MMaeidlilniAW 1 year ago
So now we have a competitor(the government) which cant fail even if it goes bankrupt (just like social security and medicare) competing with corporations that can fail. baxtar, do you really believe the government should force people to buy healthcare? I think i should have a choice because of the constitution. You don't have to own a car, so essentially you don't have to buy insurance. The sole existence of corporations to to maximize the shareholders profit. It is up to them for social responc
Brave2010 1 year ago
Doran is a Moran. Single payer for all. Medicare only covers a high risk group and has too much fraud. Include all young people paying into program and it will pay for itself. The healthy out weigh the sick, thats how life insurance is profitable for investors. Fact it works in canada and many other countries.
baxtar1963 1 year ago
How can somebody seem so smart (Lee Doran) and actually be a moron. We should have single payer Medicare for all. For any system to function be it Life Insurance, Car insurance, Health Insurance etc then everybody needs to be included. Medicare is in the red because only high risk people are in it and there is too much fraud. If there were millions of healthy young people paying into it than it will work just like in other countries. What if a company insured only bad drivers? They would fail.
baxtar1963 1 year ago
He said the public option cannot last because eventually everyone would choose the public option......
upplsuckimcool16 1 year ago
Kill all pedophile liberal scum. Civil War is coming.
killj00s 1 year ago
@killj00s Well I don't agree with killing tyhem but if you mean to jail liberals who are pedophiles I agree.... Wht it sounds to me like you are OK with republican pedophiles.... weird!
upplsuckimcool16 1 year ago
To understand HTWW please see “Pam Ayres - They Should Have Asked My Husband.mpg
davijeph 1 year ago
After answering a point from HTWW with “So Harvard was right the inability to pay health cost contributed to their bankruptcies. The fact when anybody comes out with research (even top quality institutions like Harvard) that blows a hole in your childlike views you react like any 4th rate amateur propagandist you ether belittle or choose ignore those facts.” Instead of a ignore or reply he choose to block, what a coward the man is.
davijeph 1 year ago
Hah. This Turk doesn't know history, if he thinks corporations are all free-enterprise oriented. Do you remember the British Empire? They rocked your folks, because their corporations had a monopoly on money and influence, provided by... not the free market.. but by the government. I love how you fight for the very people that enslave you. It's gold.
86darkhorse 1 year ago
These companies could not function without their CEO's. Don't forget it, you ungrateful serfs.
86darkhorse 1 year ago
Lee, as any today's conservative, does not provides solutions to today's problems, he answer are classic. just leave things as they are and argue any proposed solution.... god dam republicans, they're killing america
stevan5000 1 year ago
@stevan5000 Lee just offered some solutions right at the end of the video... i believe there needs to be health care reform but its more than just insurgence companies trying to make money. the health care industry is insane in the country pharmaceuticals, doctors, care everything costs way more than its supposed to in this country. look at other countries especially Canada on basic labor costs...
assmonkey626 1 year ago
Guess what? It's already been shown that the HC "reforms" are a scam written by insurance agency lobbyists. Your insurance costs will rise and you will be FORCED TO BUY HEALTH INSURANCE OR BE FINED.
killj00s 1 year ago
I think, by European (or just 'civilised world') standards, Cenk is actually fairly conservative. But because he's not a bigot, zealot, sociopath, retard or ignoramus, he ends up being forced into the US 'liberal' or 'progressive' camp.
AlephNeil 1 year ago
@AlephNeil loves to shove his dick inside babies!!11111
killj00s 1 year ago
@killj00s Thanks for illustrating my point.
AlephNeil 1 year ago
I dont see how anyone can say Cenk kicked his ass,,,this was a good discussion and both sides made good points,,,I dont think Cenk understands what is being proposed because the legislation didnt include a public option or universal healthcare,,,this whole debate was pointless because what we have now is mandated insurance and now we find out that we will be taxed up the ass for this and it doesnt cover pre ext cond. and even mpore people will be uninsuired ,,btw cenk the fda approves poison
candiceevans1 1 year ago
from source watch (philip morris gave a lot of money to CEI when the FDA were trying to put cigarettes under their category, CEI has been going after the FDA ever since) paraphrased of course
now it makes sense why Doren made that suggestion
nailo1 1 year ago
bitch got FUCKED UP
mynameaborat993 1 year ago
Cenk did, yes.
Moragauth 1 year ago
Cenk @5:23: "the public option doesn't cost any money"...... Oh really? Who then is subsidizing it?
imax1971 1 year ago
@imax1971 no one is subsidizing it werent u listening
btan1994 1 year ago
@btan1994 I was listening. EVERY government program is subsidized by the taxpayers... Every single one... Take off the socialist goggles and wake up. This bill WILL lead to a single payer system... Cenk sites the CBO's assessment of this bill. That is laughable. They were of by 100% with "Cash for Clunkers"... 100% off of a 1 billion dollar program.. Healthcare is 1/6 th of the economy... Why do people trust the government???? Nothing is FREE in this world. The money has to come from somewhere.
imax1971 1 year ago
It has to be subsidised (read: financed from taxpayers.) What Cenk says is irrelevant. He is an economic ignoramus.
Moragauth 1 year ago
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Lee gave a weak argument, but the real question in this debate is does it cost more to cover something with preexisting condition (Cancer for say) without denying them coverage run by the government or does it cost more barely raising the price and making a little profit. Insurance companies make one for the lowest profit margins in any business. Private Markets are always better run than the government i promise it will much more expense with the public option
soccer92489 1 year ago
Lee gave a weak argument, but the real question in this debate is does it cost more to cover something with preexisting condition (Cancer for say) without denying them coverage run by the government or does it cost more barely raising the price and making a little profit. Insurance companies make one for the lowest profit margins in any business. Private Markets are always better run than the government i promise it will much more expense with the public option
soccer92489 1 year ago
The organization Lee Doren mentions that he works for here is funded by Koch Industries.
ByteSmasher 1 year ago
@ByteSmasher Exxon as well, if I'm not mistaken.
DaHonestAbe 1 year ago
Why do conservatives think that all of the CEO's are poor and all their money are going into their business. The gov. taxes income. CEO's make millions a year. If there's a 2% tax on someone making $2,000,000 a year, I could live with it, they could live with it.
DblOSmith 1 year ago
@DblOSmith Just saying, but according to the IRS booklet I recieved in 2009, the tax on 90k a year is almost 34%, and since we have a progressive tax system, that puts people at 2,000,000 a year, probably near 60%-70% tax.
eden210 1 year ago
@eden210 google "effective tax rate". That's not the case.
DblOSmith 1 year ago
@DblOSmith yeah and they give 38% of their wealth if not more and still an average poor person is given 40000 dollars a year how is anyone homeless the government cant run a damn thing well
soccer92489 1 year ago
@soccer92489 Wow, poor people are given $40,000 a year? I'll be to tell some of my friends who've been looking for jobs for years, without luck. Any idea what specific program gives out that money and how they might apply?
Please, be specific.
DblOSmith 1 year ago
It's not "their" business. CEOs are managers appointed for the benefit of the shareholders. Taxing them is like taxing any other employee. It is inefficient, stupid and immoral but people need to wake the fuck up. It isn't the owners they're taxing.
Moragauth 1 year ago
@DblOSmith - where did you get this ridiculous idea that conservatives believe CEO's are poor? The uber wealthy pay enormous taxes. Much more than 2%. The top 10% of wage earners pay over 70% of all taxes.
RocktheStageNYC 1 year ago
@DblOSmith The lower the tax rate, the greater the marginal propensity to invest.
jjdec05 1 year ago
you know i'm not against HTWW but the way he does it, if he was like this more often i would watch his videos, i have conservative views and i share some with HTWW but the way he acts i could never attach my name to his i would feel intellectually compromised
nailo1 1 year ago
so rare to hear two adults hold an civil conversation these days. Refreshing!!!
mabutoo 1 year ago
Wow. Cenk kicked his ass.
PyreOfFate 1 year ago 26
@PyreOfFate: Correction, Lee won and I'll tell you why. Cenk makes the assertion that this government insurance company will not require tax dollar support. I'll tell you how it ends right now. Either A: the entire thing will collapse because a higher proportion of sick go to gov coverage..or..more likely B: Congress realizes they've run out of cash and say, "We're just gonna dip a little into tax dollars." Then it's not deficit-neutral and will grow out of control like so many gov programs.
mikebgood 1 year ago
@mikebgood Wrong. A: Yeah, a higher percentage would switch over. Which means nothing. Everyone on the public option will be paying a premium. The difference is, the government's intent isn't to make a profit. And not only will sick people join, but so will healthy people who are uninsured, and people from other insurance companies who want lower premiums. All those premiums will fund the public option, as they do the private insurance companies. So, B: No, congress won't. Hope that clarifies.
PyreOfFate 1 year ago
@PyreOfFate: "Profit is the signal which tells us what we must do in order to serve people whom we do not know." -Hayek
mikebgood 1 year ago
@mikebgood
Hate to interject, but that quote doesnt address PyreOfFate's points at all.
Key2daUnderground 1 year ago
@Key2daUnderground Pyre was basically saying that if we simply eliminate profit we can make the program work. My response is that profit is necessary.
mikebgood 1 year ago
@mikebgood lmfao. Yeah, that's a nice quote and all- it's not true though. Especially not in this context. Profit is the problem. Profit is the reason the system is broken. Profit is the reason private insurance companies drop people when they get sick. It's the reason they won't insure people who are sick.
That's their prerogative. They didn't open a company to help people, they opened it to make money. That's fine. The problem is, they're screwing, and in many ways, robbing and killing....
PyreOfFate 1 year ago
@mikebgood ...people, by collecting their premiums for years, and then dropping them when they get sick. I'm sure we can agree this robbery, and indirectly, it's murder. Why is this happening? Profit. Is Profit telling the insurance companies to serve the people? lmfao. Of course it's not.
Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against making a profit. But I don't want to die. If I pay for insurance, I want it if and when I need it. The public option solves this indisputable problem.
PyreOfFate 1 year ago
@mikebgood No, that's not right. Option A: even if everyone goes for it, they still all pay their premiums. And if people are higher risk, their premiums go up just like with a normal company. If a ton of people join an normal insurance company, the company doesn't collapse under the strain, it expands to meet the demand with the extra income the additional people bring. Option B: Wont happen. You can always price risk to ensure you wont make a loss. Basic risk management that.
coolman9999uk 1 year ago
@PyreOfFate
Not really...
Ilikemustard 1 year ago
@PyreOfFate This kid spent much too much time prparing for what Cenk was going to debate and not enough time on learning about the subject...
upplsuckimcool16 1 year ago
its really simple, even if a company has health insurance there business taxes will go up, that is why its cheaper to drop health insurance, so they don't pay 2x. they just pay the increased taxes. Won't save 150 Bilion?? you collect taxes 10years & have health care for only 6. your spending at almost a 2 to 1 clip. what happens in the following years. this is why medicare & medicaid are broke.
midnght789 1 year ago
wow pretty good. nobody was mean. nobody really filibustered. and both had good poitns then here pionts then here
radiolaugh 1 year ago
@radiolaugh "Filibuster" basically means to overtalk the other person, correct? LIke try to find ways to block them from making their point?
HowToGetFreebies 6 months ago
@HowToGetFreebies it means to talk your way out of a question, like lengthening an answer until the viewers forgot the question
jdmv15 6 months ago
@jdmv15 OK, thank you
HowToGetFreebies 6 months ago
Extreme socialism is a failed experiment repeated over and over in history. Don't you remember when you were a kid hearing about people in the Soviet Union waiting 3 months for a government issued light bulb, or waiting for government rationed bread just to find it's riddled with mold. Do you really expect our government to manage dollars better than "we the people" can for ourselves? Oh hey dip#### it's going to be TAX DOLLARS that will pay for your public option. Enjoy!
sailgoal 1 year ago
@sailgoal Consider Northern Europe, decades of the highest taxes on the top 5% in the world has made places like Denmark and Norway the most Equal and Wealthy populations on Earth.
Best standards of living, best healthcare and education, next to no crime, highly skilled innovative economies.
Regulated banks which hardly took a dent.. Places like Greece had conservatives which deregulated insanely, 30% of Greek GDP is undeclared !
conservatism is fail, scams and neglect of investment.
marsCubed 1 year ago
@marsCubed - one cannot compare the economies of Denmark & Norway which have populations smaller than New York City combined to other places in the world. Its easy to socialize certain aspects of the economy and have it work with such small populations. Socialism fails every time its tried on a broader scale. Yes people in places like Norway & Sweden are equal economically but what was the last major innovation to come out of those countries? Sameness breeds apathy and xenophobia.
RocktheStageNYC 1 year ago
@RocktheStageNYC Denmark & Norway are part of a spectrum right across the EU.
Denmark is selling one of the largest engineering projects in the world to the UK ATM, off-shore windfarms. New innovation in blade design, expanding markets, decades of investment in education and expertise.
USA's free-market jingoism, gross inequality. Pimps, prisons, barely employable conditioned morons is 'interesting' it's true. but it is also economic neglect & miserable fail. In debt to your own rich.. pathetic.
marsCubed 1 year ago
@marsCubed - somebody from the UK should NOT lecture anyone in the US on economic issues. Your economic socialism is destroying your country and your NHS has been killing people left & right because of rationing and inadequate care for decades. It really comes down to Europeans just can't figure out why more people immigrate here than every country combined. Free market works and socialism fails - every time its tried.
RocktheStageNYC 1 year ago
@RocktheStageNYC.
People dying in the streets, rip-offs & private quacks, bonus scams stealing pensions. 3rd world shanty towns is the free market.
So the rich can steal using property to drive workers into lower wage, it de-skills forces people into debt, trashes economies with unemployable neglect and waste.
The most socialized health systems are the best in the world. Japan, Denmark, Norway. look it up.
USA & Greece = deregulated free-market fail.
Tax the hyper rich back to Earth orbit !
marsCubed 1 year ago
@marsCubed Pfft.. I am from Norway and we know damn well that there are only 4 things that makes us special; and that is Oil, Oil, Oil and gas...
RoronoaZoro222 1 year ago
@RoronoaZoro222 UK has oil too, sold off to private corps.
Norway's oil is 2/3 owned by the state oil company, it has put money back into the society in the form of education, health, infrastructure.
That is precisely my point. Free market capitalist models have collapsed into miserable crime, unemployable broom pushers and gross inequality.
In the more socialized societies like Norway, long term investment is a success story, wealthy & educated populations are much more resourceful.
marsCubed 1 year ago
@marsCubed Tiny Norway actually exports more than it imports, that's why it's a success story. most of the government revenue from the oil business is taxation, the profits are saved into a stock saving, which we hardly use any of at all, like 10% of the interest. Capitalism has "failed" because UK and US forgot the most basic part of capitalism.... Capital.
RoronoaZoro222 1 year ago
@marsCubed
"most Equal and Wealthy populations"
What do taxes have to do with equality, of course ignoring the fact that a "progressive" tax structure is inherently unfair, that is. And living on the govt dole, under a monarchy, is not an example of being wealthy.
"highly skilled innovative economies"
Huh? Is that why Denmark & Norway are such economic powerhouses in world affairs?
"Greece had conservatives which deregulated insanely"
You mean Socialist-run Greece or that imaginary Greece?
IntellectualAddict 1 year ago
@sailgoal I read your comment about stories of people in the soviet union waiting 3 months for a light bulb and it did reminded me of stories i heard growing up in the UK. I remember hearing stories from history about times when people had to pay for medicine and how the poor died because they couldnt afford doctors. It's still kinda a shock to me that pretty much that same system is happening in america because you have this strange phobia of socialism.
Fangtorn 1 year ago
@Fangtorn - there is good cause to reject socialism - it doesn't work. When everyone is equal no one is. Socialism stifles growth & innovation. America has THE best medical care in the world. Why? Because we pay for it. Countries like the UK with socialized medicine have terrible care with people dying on waiting lists, rationing and poor hospital conditions. That doesn't happen here in the US. Thats why people from the UK & Canada come here for major operations
RocktheStageNYC 1 year ago
@RocktheStageNYC There is good cause to reject COMPLETE socialism, not ALL socialism. The fire department, the police, the military and education are socialist. The government should be running them, but i don't think they should be making cars.
You don't have the best healthcare in the world by any stretch of the imagination. The WHO ranks you 37th on healthcare. You talk about the NHS killing people yet you have a system where healthcare companies make money if their customers die. WTF?
Fangtorn 1 year ago
anybody saying that somebody got nailed in this debate isn't seeing straight. I think it was a very even set of arguments and very civil, and i think both sides had good points.
eeddssxx 1 year ago
If the host would actually listen to people, with out constantly being worried about being heard, His IQ would go up.
The Flaw in the health care bill is that emplyers will most likely do the cheaper of the two. Pay the increased premiums of exsisting Ins plans, or pay the fine and dump people, who will than have NO OPTION but the PUBLIC OPTION. Why is that so hard to understand????
RaddestFnDudeAlive 1 year ago
the dem's are being wimpy. i cant wait for the repubtards to take there ideas then use them when they're in office. i do have to admitt at least Bushy's bullhead there way into getting shit don't instead its obama goin "please. could we please work together ok i'll bend over"
gr8indasack69 1 year ago
This debate did not go anywhere. They just had a debate on their disagreement of definitions. Since when did the young turks have a time limit?
tfiore22 1 year ago
The show has always had time limits
MrBlackfish011 1 year ago
the young punk got his lunch ate for him by Mr. Doren
filoIII 1 year ago
@filoIII "His lunch ate"? Can you speak english, by any chance?
GstateBALLER925 1 year ago
@GstateBALLER925 no comprende
filoIII 1 year ago
This debate was a lot more civil than I was expecting. I think Doren's mistaken in his anaysis of the public option: the public option isn't about arbitrarily setting prices like "ok, this kind of procedure isn't allowed to go above 100 dollars", it's simply getting rid of advertising costs and managerial bonuses, which will bring down the cost of the service. Now the public option could be wrong for other reasons, but that's not one of them, IMO.
vgfmak 1 year ago
Fuck Lee Doren...
guitarmaestro078 1 year ago
Lee believes in Supply-Side Economics. Fail.
hellraiserheights 1 year ago
Lee: Spending less money > people.
It's rather simple, spending less money is more important than people currently or ever since the word socialism became evil.
TheSirJecht 2 years ago
@TheSirJecht
wrong
individual > collective state
Albyiscool 1 year ago
Brown voted for the Massachusetts health care reform which accepted federal money. So, the rest of the country paid for Massachusetts health care reform. Maybe if Massachusetts had paid for their own health care reform, then they could complain about paying for it twice. Even Brown said that public option could be good for other states, but for whatever reason he doesn't want other states to get the same federal funding that his state got.
MarmaladeINFP 2 years ago
well done both Lee and TYT for a perfectly good debate over this. both sides gave each other a good amount of time and i feel this was probably the BEST debate about the subject i have EVER SEEN. Both Lee and TYT can give yourselves a pat on the back for a proper concise and sensible debate. 5 stars to you both!!
rsolgtp 2 years ago
You called it allhomosshouldie, healthcare is dead for now, at leat in its original pathetic form. Although his nationality has nothing to do with his ideology,this host is a liberal first as all liberals think this way.
61talya 2 years ago
It would be sad if healthcare is dead because that would be a loss to the American people who want healthcare reform with a public option. Only 19% of Brown voters thought he should stop the Democratic Agenda, but 48% thought he should work with the Democrats and 37% felt angry with Republican policies in Congress. 52% of Brown voters said healthcare reform was their top issue.
MarmaladeINFP 2 years ago
Where did you get those figures?
Mrcharliebobo 2 years ago
I was looking at a couple of polls. One was a Rasumusen poll and the other was a Washington Post/Kaiser/Harvard poll. Cenk discusses one of the polls in his video "PCCC - Polls Tell Real Story Of Coakley Loss To Brown".
MarmaladeINFP 2 years ago
Since when have polls told the whole story? And I checked out those polls, and I like how you try to spin it, 19% you have correct, but then you imply that the 48% want him to work "with" democrats to further their agenda, But that isn't what the question stated, It stated to work with the democrats to get "more republican legislature passed", and not what you tried to imply. and nice spin on the 52% that said it was their top issue, but you conveniently forgot to mention that they don't want it
Mrcharliebobo 2 years ago
I wanted to make sure I wasn't being biased. I looked at every poll I could find about healthcare reform and commentary about the polls. It turns out Rusmussen is a Republican and has worked for the Republican party. One chart I saw compared one of Rasmussen's polls to several others. All of the other polls showed strong support for healthcare reform, but Rasmussen was slightly lower.
MarmaladeINFP 2 years ago
Some of the polls showed that the public was misinformed about the healthcare bill, but when shown the actual details of the bill they were more supportive. The public criticism of the bill seemed to center on how to pay for it. That is fair, but it's interesting that the government passes bills that cost way more without anyone ever questioning how to pay for them. The Republicans don't care about saving money or limiting government as the last several Republican administrations prove.
MarmaladeINFP 2 years ago
the host arguments as an economical illiterate in desguise.
Maybe he has a degree or more probably, he's just another ignorant journalist. The thing is that this man surely doesn't understand scarcity and price system.
vjfperez 2 years ago