Electric power steering

[ma70killer]

its not ok on flooded roads

[Ali2011mb]

Excellent video. See my channel electric motor new design.It is very original model of electric motor (it has no accelerating coil, special phase-shifting devices and condensers).

[GeneralFalcao]

Cars in the old days did break, but they were a lot easier to fix back then because they weren't as complex as most modern-day cars.

[JazzVanSwingman]

@GeneralFalcao Yes, all mechanical things, for example i have a sierra 1.8diesel and there's nothing electronic)) and i love it

[mogaard07]

24 people hate their computers.

[1foxtrot70]

@mogaard07 I'd take a hammer to mine if the replacement costs weren't so damned high!

[SXSHeadquarters]

hmm

[TheRealKoolguy007]

The main reason cars break down so much these days is because people cant take care of then. Just the other day I realized its been 29000 miles since anything over $10 broke. Yep totally shity and unreliable... good logic people.

[jojothedog1234]

Cars in the olden days didnt break? Are you retarded?

[StoshTech]

@jojothedog1234 much more reliable than now is what i think he/she is saying. and for some cars that is true, others not so much. it really depends on the car and how its driven, etc.

[Abraxas20012]

@jojothedog1234 they did but they we're easier to fix

[DaDuttFire]

@Abraxas20012 agree with there

[oPickful]

@jojothedog1234 Stupid comment. You got any more??

[noobtonthe3rd]

@jojothedog1234 Thats is a stretch but I would say they were more reliable.

[redghost105]

@jojothedog1234 cars back in the 60s and 70s had border line no electronics

because of that, all it really need was the occasional oil change, very little engine maintenance(spark plugs, fuel injectors every decade or so)

but because of so many electronics in cars, that takes much more maintenance in less time, also cars back then were made out of materials that didnt go bad as fast, compared to the plastic and aluminum

[looncraz]

@redghost105

Let's do a real comparison:

80/90's and earlier: Cap, rotor, wires, coil, manual fuel ratio, manual timing, manual valve adjustment, "problematic" v-belts

Today: 1 coil/plug, knock-sensor based timing (rare failure item as well), hydraulic lifters, oxygen sensors to regulate fuel ratio for optimal power and efficiency (100k MTBF), cam sensor to time/ref spark (low failure rate)

In the old days, you needed to make LOTS of adjustments. Today... none. Just sensor troubleshooting.

[redghost105]

@looncraz you might of had to make more adjustments, but it sure as hell lasted alot longer

thats what you have a mechanic for...to make the adjustments for you

[looncraz]

@redghost105 They didn't last longer on average, however the exceptions lasted longer than the exceptions of today - that is VERY true - but not for the reasons most expect.

The real problem today is that the cars continue to run well enough even when there is a problem building, so people just ignore the minor hints the car is giving them (in the past, with the same issues, the car would back-fire, run rich/lean, etc...today they correct themselves - to a point).

The "upgrade" mentality also.

[redghost105]

@jojothedog1234 thats why you can find a pristine condition, original 1960s car

but my 1995 honda is on the borderline of blowing up

[looncraz]

@redghost105 I can find all the pristine Volvos I want... maybe you should look at higher quality cars?

My '96 Volvo 850 is almost like new (engine-wise).

[suicidalatalltimes]

they looked at it and went

"way hey hey Hey... there something that doesn't break.... we gatta fix that"

[Bamchucknorris]

the simpler the car the more reliable

[kirbyks]

@Bamchucknorris Not necessarily. Cars were arguably "simpler" way back when, but reliable they weren't. I am 81 years old, and I never had a really reliable car until the mid nineties.

[specialks1953]

@kirbyks - I feel sorry for you, I (& Many friends) have had several cars & trucks that were not of new gerneration that I considered very reliable. I guess it all about different experiences. New vehicles are great but we now have to rely on very expensive mechanics and equipment to handle even the simplest of problems with vehicles today. I use to work on my own cars & trucks in the event they seldom needed work. I would rather spend my time than my money. Vehicle cost overall is more today.

[SolutionByEvolution]

100% electric steering is a little scary...electric assist would be safer, best to keep some degree of redundancy in this type of system.

[happyguy82]

@SolutionByEvolution any power steering can be manually steered w/o assistance. even electric.

[anmol3008]

its nice

[suicidalatalltimes]

design engineers need to be taught the KISS rule Keep It Simple Shitheads

[2006DURAMAX]

I'm all for technology growth. Electric power steering means no power steering pump, hoses, leaks, and it saves space. The motor is there to assist you, there still a shaft to the steering wheel.

Many complain how there's to many electronics in cars today. Let me ask you, how many times you used you're power windows, power locks, power seat, power mirror, radio, defroster, keyless entry, alarm, ect.

Remember when fuel injection came and many complained, now every car have fuel injection.

[GEARHEADGUY92]

this is trash stop putting more electronics in cars

[ATEAMSTYLES]

I hate new cars. Everyday more computer controlled bullshit.

[ferociousfrankie]

Looks another point of failure...

[buhrrito]

Electric P/S psh....

my first car had a manual steering rack. FTW

[billayles]

While it may not run all the time and not use much petrol, cars have got heavier and as we all know more weight = less mpg and decreased performance.

[inurik]

WTF? I hate electric steerings. They're more prone to break. Google "electric steering" on many gm cars if you don't believe me. Besides, switching to electric only saves about 2-3%. Besides, when the electric steering fails, or when it has a short, you shit out of luck. Just like sticky gas pedals in runaway toyotas, you're gonna have cars that are turning themselves all of a sudden. Besides, somebody can hack into your car and just use it like RC car if everything goes electric

[DivineBetrayal]

@inurik "Google "electric steering" on many gm cars if you don't believe me." yea but thats cause they are gm cars

[enigmaPL]

wut was wrong with regular power steering? this is just more shit to go wrong... theyre really starting to over do it, they have no idea what to come up with nowadays (manufacturers).... and like someone mentioned somewhere, something about cuttin the lines... that right there makes sabotaging someones car a fuck load easier, unless theres still regular steering as back up, but didnt look like in in the vid.

[Piasintei71]

La prima a montare uno sterzo assistito elettronicamente è la Fiat

[ThundareRed]

yay more shit

[NLmonsterNL]

cut the electronic lines!!!!

[al1500321]

The Mazda 3 has a similar system. An electric motor that drives a hydraulic pump.

[BABYGODZILLA2009]

i wouldn't trust this system, doing 90 on the free way and something go wrong and system fails? older systems u still have control over the wheels, this u dont. more sensors means more problems. im not sure about this.

[skitspuce]

Yes but...every plane you get in is fly-by-wire.

I agree though, I don't even like the electronic throttle on my wife's Mazda 6

[happyguy82]

not really. the boeing 737 is one of the most commonly used planes. 1 takes off somewhere every 30 seconds, but it doesn't use fly by wire.

[fegue2]

Well i have news for you !!most new cars from very different car makers use this technology right now because of fuel savings,better handling,and in the event of a failure you can stil use your steering wheel as a conventional hydraulic system without loosing any control ,my own experince in my Elantra ,drives and feels better with the EPS.

[BABYGODZILLA2009]

wow we even have news boys in youtube. lol you gotta love this. hey enjoy your Korean elantra while it lasts :) take care buddy

[fegue2]

Of course i will enjoy my Korean Elantra,and for the excellent quality of the vehicle ,like my other Hyundais,this one will last very long time.Have a good day.

[BABYGODZILLA2009]

I always have good days with my Japanese and American vehicles, make sure it goes for you more than me. lol. have a good day.

[fegue2]

I don't think so you will need it more,my days?i don't worry at all..oh and..take care of that american vehicle..they tend to fall apart...my experience with GM products ,chevys and damn fords....Have an extraordinary day.

[BABYGODZILLA2009]

I have a R34 GTR and a S2000, and per american products, i have a 1969 Shelby GT500. so if they are to fail, they would have long time back. good luck with ur korean shit. lol have a super duper day.

[fegue2]

Yeah Right !!!an Madonna is your wife............have a good day and please get lost.

[BABYGODZILLA2009]

lol sorry she is not my type, maybe urs for going such a bad taste in cars. its funny, a person who is already lost telling me to get lost, pitty.

[fegue2]

Oh Geez....!!! It's you again??!!!....don't you have nothing to do?have an extraordinary day.bye.

[BABYGODZILLA2009]

nope, my job is to kick some sense into asses like you. u have a good life mate. dont let korea ass fuck you in the end :P take care

[linf543]

notice how the cars in the olden days lasted so long but when more electronics, computers etc... replaced all that more stuff breaks

[ioan21121221]

olden days?lol. and i didnt know old cars lasted long...is there an example on da web?

[Tracer2k]

@linf543 thats true, and the sad part is that they do it in purpose, at least on some aspects. As soon as the warranty ends, people need to spend more money for the repairs, parts and/or new cars. in other words, feed the companies more money. Why would you buy a new car if your current works like a new one? :P They didn't do it in the 80/90 so thats why im sticking in cars from that era.

[Trueno8588]

@linf543 Todays technologies are more cheap and crap xDD And then they sell it to us very expensive like "The best technology EVER!!" bahh!! xD It may be better but the resistance, endurance, etc... suck lol... Guys correct me if I'm wrong ^_^

[sacr3]

@linf543 You kidding me? Older cars had problems upon problems. This system actually prevents the Steering pump from being on all the time which increases its life span.

[studpuppy69]

@linf543 Electric power steering is a crock of crap. Very disapointing. From what I understand even the Prius brakes are electric assist, instead of normal vacuum power assist.

[noxious89123]

@studpuppy69

I drive a vauxhall with electric power steering, and it's very nice :]

[gilessmokey]

@noxious89123  new electric pas pump for a ten year old astra £840.

[te3data]

@linf543 yupp... not only that... Things don't get overenginered anymore!

Every corner possible to cut, is cut! to save cash!

[kirbyks]

@linf543 Not really. I was around for "the olden days". You were lucky to get 100k miles out of a car, now you can expect twice that.

[Gunner3210]

@linf543 Cars in the olden days lasted for at most a mile before something fell off.

[NorkiddExo]

@linf543 hey your right, my 45 yr old Chrysler has factory steering and rack, still works perfectly. But theres a reason why its just a farm car, steering is sooooo heavy and hurts your shoulders after a while!

[fegue2]

Well this is nothing new ...i have a 2008 elantra and my girlfriend a 2009 Corolla and both cars use electronic power steering ,and works better than the conventional power steering,by eliminating,the pump,hydraulic reservoir,drive belt,so it's not new ,or weird,it's an improve......and many cars now come with that.

[merasanam]

Correct. Almost all new cars have electric power steering. The system cannot fail as it does not completely replace the normal steering box, only adds more torque to turn the wheels.

[gunnar89]

what if it failed turning wile driving...? i vote bad idea i wouldnt trust it

[coopersuperfastguy]

uselesss extra wieght

[happyguy82]

this technology saves a lot of fuel because power is only drawn when the steering is being turned. in the older system the hydraulic pumps runs all the time.

[Waffles91]

If fuel saving is necessary, it is possible to drain the power steering fluid and disconnect the power steering belt from the engine. The steering rack will still function normally at normal speeds but will be harder to turn at sub 10mph speeds. Not a big deal in my opinion.

[happyguy82]

lolss that's just disconnecting the power steering. the steering will be very heavy because of the car's steering lock to lock ratio that was initially configured for power steering.

[Waffles91]

Ah, I have an e30 and it came with an annoyingly large lock to lock ratio even with power steering, so it works great for me. It probably isn't a good idea for other cars then...

[happyguy82]

well beemer suspensions have a lot of castor angle that's probably why... the more castor angle the harder it is to turn the wheel. hence your lock to lock still have to be large otherwise the wheel would be heavy even with power steering. I'm just guessing though... I drive the E90 a lot and find it's steering a lot heavier than other cars.

[LtHawk77]

@happyguy82 Yes but now you put more load on the Alternator and then it wares out faster.

[happyguy82]

@LtHawk77 not really, you'll just have to use a larger alternator to begin with.

Regular (hydraulic) power steering wastes fuel because the hydraulic pump runs even while travelling in a straight line.

[LtHawk77]

@happyguy82 I don't care about fuel consumption, this just more tech thats going to make cars more unaffordable to the people. Just like the Chevy Volt, nice Idea but I'm not coughing up 40k for a car that should really only be worth 20

[happyguy82]

@LtHawk77 not really, every manufacturer's moving towards electric power steering so it's very competitive. electric power steering is cheaper to maintain because of the lack of the hydraulic system that can leak, pump fail, etc. etc.

[LtHawk77]

@happyguy82 And its just one more piece of electronic crap

i don't care to have on my car which also has the potential of failing. I don't like computer control very much either.

[happyguy82]

@LtHawk77 you prefer hyrdaulic to electric? hmmm that's just more maintenance, more unreliable and more drag on the engine. I don't understand your logic.

[LtHawk77]

@happyguy82 Never had a problem with them, I have two cars and I'm quite happy with Hydraulic. Electric motors cost more to make and become harder and harder to maintain and I'm not paying some chump thousands to fix my car. I have very little faith in electronics, one car is 25 years old and the other is 48 years old. Quite satisfied with how the hydraulics perform.

[happyguy82]

@LtHawk77 48 years old? wow amazing! well yeah unfortunately everything's going electronics these days. I hate some of them too, especially pedal shift gearboxes.

[suicidalatalltimes]

@happyguy82

LOL power steering pump only draws a load when the wheels are turned too and unless you are constantly driving in a circle it inst a load at all but i guess somehow the electric motor wont draw a load on the alternator which is equal if not even more load since its running lights and all the other accessory's .. and what about the computer chip that will have to actuate the step motor to the position you want the wheels to go to. if that fails .. or your alternator goes out

[happyguy82]

@suicidalatalltimes well if the alternator fails the battery will power the steering. so you're saying the hydraulic pump only adds a resistance to the engine when the steering is being turned? hmm I thought so too in the beginning but I read otherwise. I'll do some research. thx.

[snarfeater]

@happyguy82 a luxury car that saves gas isnt a luxury car its an economy car

what someone can afford 90,000 car but cant get gas?

[footyboyack]

@snarfeater Maybe they care about something more than the price of gas?

[te3data]

@happyguy82 and in my old cars ... no servopump <3 Muscles in arms for a reason!

[happyguy82]

@te3data my 1st car didn't have power steering either hehehe.... but the steering's lock to lock ratio was a lot higher to provide the driver more leverage.

[LTF85199]

Niceeee, fluid always leaks. I like this new innovation..

[cobra12369]

more things to go wrong

[gunsoulja]

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