My teenager just did a school report on the heroism of David Irving and received an "A". His history teacher was utterly shocked at first but began to listen and accepted the report.
I was in Auschwitz two times and I saw with myself the realy true. The Swedish people were sitting this man on plane back to England same day he was arriving to Sweden. Move him to a desert or uninhabited island there he can talk free.
I watched this movie called 180movie it was very good, it compares the holocaust with abortion watch this award winning documentary and see where you stand at the end. At least watch the trailer and see if you are interested.
Look up 180 movie on youtube or 180movie.com
If you are thinking of having an abortion this is a must see.
why are you all arguing with the jews for they are not going to change 84 countries kicked them out 109 times and they still act the same way. dont bother talking to them we are wrong they are right. you cant change a jews mind no matter how right you are or how much evidence you can show. if the jew would change then things like labor and not death camps would not have been needed but as i said the jew dose not change they dont look in the mirror. like a little child its always everyone else
Excellant Mr Irving for exposing Holocaust and sinking this ship of Auswitch.They should be ashamed of it if they have one.It also explain how much the Zionist control the west.Does the west understand it.
lol if you go on my page and read my channel and read rabsmiff's message (which i will delete in a second) he says "nazis are autistic" yes thank you, i just finished mentioning hundreds of geniuses who were autistic so you are saying nazis are smart people which we can all agree, which is why hitler invented the beetle.
@ultradumbass make that 'Nazi sympathizers are autistic' which is probably more accurate.
Hitler was intelligent, but he used his mind for evil purposes, which is nasty, and not clever. Irving is not clever: he is a braindead, stinking, cock-eyed retard.
prosecutor: MR Irving, is it true you worship the stenching smegma of Adolf Hitler?
'y-yes, sir.'
prosecutor; Mr Irving, is it also true you attain perverse sexual kicks out of the historical mass murder of millions of innocent victims of the Nazis?
'y-yes, sir'.
prosecutor: Mr Irving, I put it to you that you are a retarded, autistic, spasticated wastrel worthy of immediate execution. Do you agree?
@rabsmiff, I only have one life, sorry. And I have no idea what you message meant to say. But thanks for the communication.
All I tried to say, for the record, was that it is against every humane principle of western democary to imprison a person for his ideas --no matter how despicable some/most of the rest of us find those ideas.
Freedom of speech is freedom for speech we do not like.
what's the difference between millions of wartime Jews defecating and urinating in their underwear, and Irving doing the same thing?
A: the Jews had an excuse, as they were forced into cramped cattle-trucks for days on end against their will, but Irving soils his underwear because he is a retard.
Well, I happen to know of a few old people who do defecate and/or urinate in their underwear. And, as I understand, some mentally retarded people cannot help but do the same. I'm guessing you find all this hilarious.
It's noteworthy that such a dismissive attitude towards weaker fellow human beings was the main characteristic of Nazis --against whom you THINK you are making a stand here.
@sternumagnum I certainly do not find the Holocaust amusing, let alone hilarious, in fact it was the most evil act ever put into motion by human beings in the History of mankind. The Jews were only weak inasmuch they were civilians at the mercy of a fully-armed, powerful military state. Irving's depraved 'work' is offensive and an insult to the deaths of millions of innocent civilians, he clearly has no conciousness or sense of good versus evil, and I can only summize he is mentally retarded.
"Irving's depraved 'work' is offensive and an insult to the deaths of millions of innocent civilians, he clearly has no conciousness or sense of good versus evil, and I can only summize he is mentally retarded."
Well, he is certainly not brain damaged. He is saying something which must be addressed on its own merits. Now he's a martyr for free speech --he really is. Nice going!...
The Nazis' march thru Skokie, Illinois is the shining example of freedom, boys and girls. Look up why.
@sternumagnum Irving can lie all he wants, but no-one in their right mind can deny the evidence of the film footage of the Nazi camps: even Hollywood today couldn't 'doctor' this footage using CGI, let alone using film technology in 1945. Irving clearly denies these facts, so what's left of his malfunctioning mind must surely be deformed: there is simply no other explanation for his odd behaviour.
If Irving is indeed sick or crazy, as you say, all the more reason to condemn his imprisonment !
As to your comments abt the camp footage, the arguments of the Holocaust deniers/revisionists are certainly not going to be refuted by ...film footage. But this is a different issue. What I pointed out is FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
The other poster missed the point abt Chomsky: Chomsky's a lefty all the way -- yet he defends the right of a neo-Nazi to speak freely.
@sternumagnum As Irving is clearly deranged/disturbed/autistic, he should have been put into a top-security mental hospital [I'm talking strait-jacket/padded walls here, until he died. Probably the cheaper option of jail also gave the athorities the added propaganda value of getting one over the likes of Irving. I don't especially support the 'status quo', but in the case of Irving, he deserved criminal---or better still, mentally-retarded----------status.
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too bad for someone who calls autistics retarded you can't match their intelligence. if people that smart are considered retarded, what does that make you?
@ultradumbass Irvings undoubted autism is more akin to clinical 'spastic-ism' or a severely damaged brain-stem, leading to his obvious cretinism, rather than the atypical examples you have cited.
lol. it is funny how you love debating about the holocaust about how you are so educated (even though you are not really) ad use the word autism as if it means retardation. anyone who thinks that, proves that they obviously haven't done their own fair of the research because autism actually is linked to genius people. so you are attempting to insult irving but are actually complementing him when you do so.
@ultradumbass Irving is stinking, braindead, ugly, cock-eyed, homosexual, has paedophile tendencies......and on top of all this, he shits and pisses his knickers in company, due to his retarded condition. How on Earth does all this make Irving out to be a 'genius'?
@rabsmiff Hi, I agree with you. For me the ,,inferential" evidence speaks for itself. I would love to hear Mr. Irving (who I think is a very talented and sincere historian) explain his views on census evidence: if the jews were not exterminated, where did they all go?
David Irving was right.. Since he reallized his book, his life has been hell... He has been in prisonment for writting the book on Holocaust too.. But he still stands by it.. He is very brave... His life is destroyed.. And the only thing he needed to do to get his life back, was to tell that Holocaust and the 6 million was real... But refused.. One day people will reconize him as a hero..
one thing that irvin forgets to mention is that the testimonies of german ss men is not even accurate. they say that they saw the camps, ovens and chambers and such but there is flaws to it. chambers were made to kill infections. ovens were made to burn dead infected corpses and nobody in their right mind will deny the existence of camps. another thing is they say they saw many people go to their graves. there is another flaw to this. many can be just in the thousands not the millions.
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"Irving is essentially an ideologue who uses history for his own political purposes; he is not primarily concerned with discovering and interpreting what happened in the past, he is concerned merely to give a selective and tendentious account of it in order to further his own ideological ends in the present. The true historian's primary concern, however, is with the past. That is why, in the end, Irving is not a historian."
Prof. Richard J. Evans, expert Defence witness, Lipstadt case, 2000.
When examining and challenging the Holocaust you need to answer the following.
The size and makeup of Auswitz in terms of numbers of barracks, average life expectancy, daily transit arrivals, and that no elderly, infirm and few children were kept are all well documented.
You have failed to put foward any alternative theory as to what happened to this surplus population. An alternative theory can then be tested for evidence to support it. Hence you do nothing but discredit yourselve.
The best response to this discredited Holocaust-denier and phony historian is given in the following book: Richard J. Evans, "Telling Lies about Hitler" (London, 2002) - it includes extracts from a damning 350-page summing-up of DI by a British High Court judge.
Mr. Justice Gray outlined DI's omissions, distortions and suppression of relevant evidential historical material, concluding that DI "manipulates the historical record in order to make it conform with his political beliefs."
Irvings first offense for which he was fined was because he claimed that the gas chamber on display at Auschwitz is actually a reconstruction built AFTER liberation. But that is in fact true. He wanted the Curator of Auschwitz to testify on his behalf but the Judge refused the witness. David Cole has the Curator in video interview since, and yes he admits it is a reconstruction.
For many years, a memorial plaque placed at the camp by the Soviet authorities stated that 4 million people had been murdered at Auschwitz. The Polish communist government also supported this figure. In the west, this figure was accepted, but some historians had their doubts.After the collapse of the Communist government in 1989, the plaque was removed and the official death toll given as 1.1 million
There's a very interesting documentary made about the man who tested the gas chambers, it's called Mr. Death: The Rise and Fall of Fred A. Leuchter Jr., by Errol Morris. His day job was creating and repairing death machines for the US prison population, gas chambers, electric chairs etc.
funny thing about alfred leuchter is that he was the best gas doctor and he was a true holocaust believer until he saw that there were no real traces of fatal gas. he got disbanded. a polish scientist was pissed and wanted to prove him wrong and he came back with the same answer. plus revisionists are allowed to debate it because unlike traditionalists, revisionists are generally historians who are more interested in the truth than traditional. but traditionalists are very stubborn.
you have a good point.but the basic reasoning of the revisionists has been that before the start of ww2,however disgusting and cruel the treatment of the jews had been ,it fell short of mass industrialised murder.only in the later years some waffen ss troops not the ordinary soldiers who shoot some 200000-600000 germans which only happened because of the deliberate bombing of german cities started first by british in a long and bitter conflict.
The germans treated the jews as enemies of the state, which they were. The jews declared war on Germany in 1933. The treatement of jews by germans was certainly no worse than how Eisenhower treated millions of surrendered German soldiers after Germany surrendered.
"Declared war? They had no army! " - So you are acting stupid now? They had all the banks. They declared economic war. Most westerners don't realise why the star was painted on all jewish shops - It was to warn germans not to give them their money cause all the jews were conspiring to send the money out of germany.
"What rubbish. They? does this include Anne Frank? Which bank did she own? Her piggy bank?" - The perseuction of Anne Frank's family began in 1939 you moron - 5 years AFTER "Judea Declares War on Germany". Between 1933-1939 300,000 jews fled Germany because of anti-semitism. Nothing to do with Nazi government policies being enacted.
You must ask yourself one day - Why have all of europe in the last 1000 years expelled jews from their state?
So anyone who disagrees with you is a 'moron'. Hmm. Well, I guess that's better than being called an untermensch, but I guess you are saving that for when you are really foaming at the mouth. Like your Fuehrer.
"but I guess you are saving that for when you are really foaming at the mouth. Like your Fuehrer." - Churchill was the biggest war criminal of that period. The problem is that he was such a psychopath that he sacrificed the lives of millions of his own people to crush germany at all costs. And the problem is that the victors write the history books. The holohoax stories were invented and promoted to de-nazify the german population as a post-war strategy.
Totally wrong. No responsible person agrees with you. Who cares about your idiotic opinions, doubtlessly gleaned from Irving and his ilk. He was not a psychopath, but a patriot trying to save U K from German invasion. Duh!
Would you rather have the Nazis write the history books?
OK, So the Rothschilds you claim are to blame. They have been blamed for all sorts of shit, but if you actually read about them, you will realize that they helped build modern industry in France, UK and Germany.
"Who cares about your idiotic opinions, doubtlessly gleaned from Irving and his ilk. He was not a psychopath, but a patriot trying to save U K from German invasion." - Sounds like you've been licking up all that mainstream victor propaganda. The UK citizens needed some fantastic war propaganda to explain to all the millions of families why they sacrificed their loved ones starting a war in europe simply cause the germans wanted the Polish corridor back.
"Thank God the Allies won. Or are you a hiddden Nazi? Should I report you to the FRG polizei?" - I doubt Nazi policies would make sense in the US today. But the principal of abolishing the private owned Federal Reserve would be a start, and would in essence be similar to Hitler's first moves.
"Thank God the Allies won. Or are you a hiddden Nazi? Should I report you to the FRG polizei?" - Yeh thank god, otherwise we never would have had Nagasaki and Horishima, but rather entire 1000s of years of history, art, and architecture of Europe wiped out by nukes. Yeh, the allies leaders had all the class. Churchill wanted to use Anthrax bombs on Germany but the Generals refused. Apparently he was blind drunk half the time when coming up with all his insane psychopathic war plans.
"Would you rather have the Nazis write the history books?" - Which Nazis? The ones you see in your minds eye or the actual Nazis who existed before GB declared war on them?
Do you even realise that Russia were fully allied with Germany in the invasion of Poland and that the deal was that Russia would take them from the east and get 2/3 of Poland and Germany from the west and would get the east 1/3 including the Polish Corridor which was taken from Germany in WW1?
"Oh he only wanted the Polish corridor? What about Austria, Sudetenland, Czechoslovakia? What about his call for war with Russia in Mein Kampf?" - The neocons have written plenty of books calling for 100 year wars with the entire world. Wake the fuck up you mastrubating fool. You're caught up in simple diatribes, simple working-class concept like Good Guys and Bad Guys, Cowaboys and Indians. You're a fucking CHILD and it is scarey how many adults in this west today are CHILDREN in the heads.
Those are rhetorical questions, not a 'diatribe'. It is you who are engaged in a pointless diatribe. Stop insulting Anne Frank and the other innocent victims, you jerk.
"Stop insulting Anne Frank and the other innocent victims, you jerk. " - The jews insult her by using her to promote their holohoax. She died of typhus, the reason being that the allied forces fire-bombed all germany's cities and knocked out the transport networks - All of germany was starving, not just in the camps. Further, the Americans at this time had a simple cure for Typhus - It was called DDT. The germans didn't have it. So Anne Frank died because of the allied forces war crimes.
Ah, we see. A 'hoax'? That is your real agenda. She died of typhus. True, but what was a 15 year old girl doing in a concentration camp? Why wasn't she home in the Netherlands? Hmm? Do you have an answer for that?
she wasn't at home because she was being detained in a concentration camp as possible spies. similar to how allies rounded millions of germans, austrians, italians and japanese.
"Stop insulting Anne Frank and the other innocent victims, you jerk." - The other innocent victims? Are you referring to the 58 million civilians who were killed in WW2?
"They have been blamed for all sorts of shit, but if you actually read about them, you will realize that they helped build modern industry in France, UK and Germany."
Let me take a leaf from your brainwashed head: Thats like saying Hitler may have had bad things about him but he establish the autobahn, the worlds first highway network, that he inititiated the world's most produced car - The VW Beetle. That he did lots of good stuff.
"Who cares about your idiotic opinions, doubtlessly gleaned from Irving and his ilk." - Irving was one of the most respected WW2 historians in the world, was the best seller of WW2 history books until the day he published a book which included the claim that he could not find any evidence that Hitler ordered the extermination or maltreatment of jews. After that we have people, idiots, like you, claim that all his former work is total crap. You are either a jew or a jew slave loser.
They rose from poverty because of 'deficit spending'. Hitler spent gov't funds on building the Autobahn, cars, and most importantly, weapons. He also controlled people with the food supply . The starving Germans were thankful. To repay that thanks, he launched the biggest war of all time.
"They rose from poverty because of 'deficit spending'." - Oh I see. It was deficit spending. Better go tell all the thrid world countries this trick.
Hitler rebuilt germany in such a short time because he kicked out the jewish bankers and reclaimed the banks for the nation. He was a true patriot. Its that simple.
That's from a newspaper headline advocating a boycott of Germany, due to Hitler's explusion of Jews from German workforce. That's how they 'fought back' before the war. Idiot.
"That's how they 'fought back' before the war. Idiot. " - They started the war you idiot. Hitler wanted the Polish Corridor back. The jews funded Winston Churchill into power because he was a war monger. Look at the way he conducted himself as Admiral of the Royal navy in WW1. He was a war monger. Meanwhile the jews backed Roosevelt. The whole war, just like you've just witnessed in the middle-east, was pushed for and funded by Rothschild empire - THE JEWS. Wake the fuck up you jew slave.
"They", who is they? How is Anne Frank to blame for "they?" How is a Polish Jewish shoeshiner or Merchant to blame for "they?" Are you to blame for Bush/Cheney? Or for Blair/Brown? Or whoever is your nation's leader? Hm?
You're a creep. I would rather remember her as one lost child than think of you for one second, you ugly cretin. The barracks of Bergen Belsen are not profited from by Jews, they are owned by the FRG.
Crackpot Norman Finklestein, eh? Well, there are always a few loonies who make a buck writing a book filled with smears. These conspiracy theories are loonytunes. The Jews are blamed for the private banks. Then for nationalization of banks (which is what you are suggesting we do with the Federal Reserve). Maybe Jews are to blame for the bad weather , too?
"Crackpot Norman Finklestein, eh?" - Or "self-hating jew", is that what you wanted to say or that would have exposed to much about yourself? That you're a jew?
Your MO in revision is simply, "Any perspective which is detrimental to seeing jews in a pious frame is wrong and anyone who forwards such perspective must be denounced as a crackpot".
The reason the world - especially christians and muslims - hate jews is because jews hate Truth.
"The barracks of Bergen Belsen are not profited from by Jews, they are owned by the FRG. " - Oh BTW, you should actually call them the RECONSTRUCTED Barracks of Bergen Belsen.
I heard they are reconstructing another set of them at Disney Lands to teach all the kiddies how to pity jews.
I see the heat's getting to you in Australia. It only proves that the best , like Steve irwin, die young, and we're stuck with jerks like you and Mel Gibson. Fuck off douchebag.
Melb Gibson only said what he said because he was drunk. Drunks speak the truth. He only said what most goy in hollywood think.
It may be o.k. with you Paol to be a serf of elite psychopathic jews, but its not o.k. with me, and like millions of others we are organising to take them out.
As for the innocent jews? I hear people protest for the innocent jews 1000 times more than I hear them protest for the innocent Iraqis, Afghanis, which is ALL of them as they didn't do 9/11 or other. SCUM JEWS
So you have no pity for those Jews massacred and murdered, eh? No pity for the victims of bergen-belsen, Auschwitz, Treblinka, and the other camps? Well, I'm sure in your mind they were all owners of Winston Churchill's brain. Hmm.
"No pity for the victims of bergen-belsen, Auschwitz, Treblinka, and the other camps" - The were lesser victims than those in german cities being fire bombed by the nutcase Churchill. The jews didn't have to go through the war, they were all safely in prison camps which the allies refused to bomb.
Given that 58 million innocent people were killed in WW2, just as many jews would have died if they'd been left where they lived in the first place.
"safely, huh?" - relatively yes. Do you even know paol, that in 1989 the Russians finally released their records of Auschwitz and simultaneously were forced to confess that it wasn't 4 million jews but no more than 1.1 million who died there. Yet the 6 million figure remained the same? Did you know that not one jew was ever found who died from gassing or poisen? But that all those found died from typhus and starvation?
If you would read more on history, you would realize that the Roman Empire declared war on the Jews, and exiled them around 70 AD. You would realize that when Christianity became the Empire's religion, they began persecuting the Jews for Jesus's death. You would realize that during the Middle Ages, the Jews were blamed for all sorts of bad things. Because they were not Christian, they were persecuted, as were the Moslems who once ruled Spain.
"when Christianity became the Empire's religion, they began persecuting the Jews for Jesus's death." - lols. Yeh. It was just because of Jesus's death. Lols. Had nothing to do with usury and their mafia activities robbing and swindling all the christians.
the jews were exiled in 70 AD? are you fucking retarded? those were christians who were persecuted because the jewish authorities claimed that they had such bad influence on their religion. they killed 90% of christians in that time including St. Peter.
jesus never predicted the romans destroying the temple. and he never talked about the destruction of a temple. you must study the gospels first, even though i don't take religion seriously like msot people around here do.
jesus was talking about his body being destroyed where all contact with god is lost, and then when he revives, god will be everywhere and not in a temple, which is why the red curtain fell as soon as he rose from the dead. or died. depending on which gospel you read from.
My teenager just did a school report on the heroism of David Irving and received an "A". His history teacher was utterly shocked at first but began to listen and accepted the report.
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I was in Auschwitz two times and I saw with myself the realy true. The Swedish people were sitting this man on plane back to England same day he was arriving to Sweden. Move him to a desert or uninhabited island there he can talk free.
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I watched this movie called 180movie it was very good, it compares the holocaust with abortion watch this award winning documentary and see where you stand at the end. At least watch the trailer and see if you are interested.
Look up 180 movie on youtube or 180movie.com
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why are you all arguing with the jews for they are not going to change 84 countries kicked them out 109 times and they still act the same way. dont bother talking to them we are wrong they are right. you cant change a jews mind no matter how right you are or how much evidence you can show. if the jew would change then things like labor and not death camps would not have been needed but as i said the jew dose not change they dont look in the mirror. like a little child its always everyone else
MilitiaOFswejllik 1 year ago
Excellant Mr Irving for exposing Holocaust and sinking this ship of Auswitch.They should be ashamed of it if they have one.It also explain how much the Zionist control the west.Does the west understand it.
aamirmp1 1 year ago
Irvings undoubted autism shows no sign of subsiding.
rabsmiff 2 years ago
@rabsmiff you shitty little bastard............
ultradumbass 1 year ago
lol if you go on my page and read my channel and read rabsmiff's message (which i will delete in a second) he says "nazis are autistic" yes thank you, i just finished mentioning hundreds of geniuses who were autistic so you are saying nazis are smart people which we can all agree, which is why hitler invented the beetle.
ultradumbass 1 year ago
@ultradumbass make that 'Nazi sympathizers are autistic' which is probably more accurate.
Hitler was intelligent, but he used his mind for evil purposes, which is nasty, and not clever. Irving is not clever: he is a braindead, stinking, cock-eyed retard.
rabsmiff 1 year ago
@rabsmiff you just love being mentally retarded dont you
mavincho 1 year ago
@mavincho It is Irving who is a raving retard.
rabsmiff 1 year ago
prosecutor: MR Irving, is it true you worship the stenching smegma of Adolf Hitler?
'y-yes, sir.'
prosecutor; Mr Irving, is it also true you attain perverse sexual kicks out of the historical mass murder of millions of innocent victims of the Nazis?
'y-yes, sir'.
prosecutor: Mr Irving, I put it to you that you are a retarded, autistic, spasticated wastrel worthy of immediate execution. Do you agree?
'y-yes, s-sir.'
Prosecutor: your honour, that will suffice.
rabsmiff 2 years ago
Funny but insufficient. Claims on history must be confronted in the realms of historical work.
But, come to think of it, this won't happen in YouTube any time soon, so ...carry on.
sternumagnum 2 years ago
@sternumagnum I gotta million of 'em! ---More words of wisdom when I feel the need to enlighten your pitiful lives......
rabsmiff 2 years ago
@rabsmiff, I only have one life, sorry. And I have no idea what you message meant to say. But thanks for the communication.
All I tried to say, for the record, was that it is against every humane principle of western democary to imprison a person for his ideas --no matter how despicable some/most of the rest of us find those ideas.
Freedom of speech is freedom for speech we do not like.
sternumagnum 2 years ago
@sternumagnum question;
what's the difference between millions of wartime Jews defecating and urinating in their underwear, and Irving doing the same thing?
A: the Jews had an excuse, as they were forced into cramped cattle-trucks for days on end against their will, but Irving soils his underwear because he is a retard.
rabsmiff 2 years ago
Well, I happen to know of a few old people who do defecate and/or urinate in their underwear. And, as I understand, some mentally retarded people cannot help but do the same. I'm guessing you find all this hilarious.
It's noteworthy that such a dismissive attitude towards weaker fellow human beings was the main characteristic of Nazis --against whom you THINK you are making a stand here.
Carry on.
sternumagnum 2 years ago
@sternumagnum I certainly do not find the Holocaust amusing, let alone hilarious, in fact it was the most evil act ever put into motion by human beings in the History of mankind. The Jews were only weak inasmuch they were civilians at the mercy of a fully-armed, powerful military state. Irving's depraved 'work' is offensive and an insult to the deaths of millions of innocent civilians, he clearly has no conciousness or sense of good versus evil, and I can only summize he is mentally retarded.
rabsmiff 2 years ago
"Irving's depraved 'work' is offensive and an insult to the deaths of millions of innocent civilians, he clearly has no conciousness or sense of good versus evil, and I can only summize he is mentally retarded."
Well, he is certainly not brain damaged. He is saying something which must be addressed on its own merits. Now he's a martyr for free speech --he really is. Nice going!...
The Nazis' march thru Skokie, Illinois is the shining example of freedom, boys and girls. Look up why.
sternumagnum 2 years ago
@sternumagnum Irving can lie all he wants, but no-one in their right mind can deny the evidence of the film footage of the Nazi camps: even Hollywood today couldn't 'doctor' this footage using CGI, let alone using film technology in 1945. Irving clearly denies these facts, so what's left of his malfunctioning mind must surely be deformed: there is simply no other explanation for his odd behaviour.
rabsmiff 2 years ago
If Irving is indeed sick or crazy, as you say, all the more reason to condemn his imprisonment !
As to your comments abt the camp footage, the arguments of the Holocaust deniers/revisionists are certainly not going to be refuted by ...film footage. But this is a different issue. What I pointed out is FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
The other poster missed the point abt Chomsky: Chomsky's a lefty all the way -- yet he defends the right of a neo-Nazi to speak freely.
A lesson there for all of us...
sternumagnum 2 years ago
@sternumagnum As Irving is clearly deranged/disturbed/autistic, he should have been put into a top-security mental hospital [I'm talking strait-jacket/padded walls here, until he died. Probably the cheaper option of jail also gave the athorities the added propaganda value of getting one over the likes of Irving. I don't especially support the 'status quo', but in the case of Irving, he deserved criminal---or better still, mentally-retarded----------status.
rabsmiff 2 years ago
so you think autistics are retarded?
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too bad for someone who calls autistics retarded you can't match their intelligence. if people that smart are considered retarded, what does that make you?
ultradumbass 1 year ago
@ultradumbass Irvings undoubted autism is more akin to clinical 'spastic-ism' or a severely damaged brain-stem, leading to his obvious cretinism, rather than the atypical examples you have cited.
rabsmiff 1 year ago
lol. it is funny how you love debating about the holocaust about how you are so educated (even though you are not really) ad use the word autism as if it means retardation. anyone who thinks that, proves that they obviously haven't done their own fair of the research because autism actually is linked to genius people. so you are attempting to insult irving but are actually complementing him when you do so.
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ultradumbass 1 year ago
@ultradumbass Irving is stinking, braindead, ugly, cock-eyed, homosexual, has paedophile tendencies......and on top of all this, he shits and pisses his knickers in company, due to his retarded condition. How on Earth does all this make Irving out to be a 'genius'?
rabsmiff 1 year ago
@rabsmiff
Idiot!:(
JimK1rk 1 year ago
@JimK1rk Nazism meant death to millions: why do you excuse and support this evil? It needs to feed on cretins like you in order to flourish.
rabsmiff 1 year ago
@rabsmiff Hi, I agree with you. For me the ,,inferential" evidence speaks for itself. I would love to hear Mr. Irving (who I think is a very talented and sincere historian) explain his views on census evidence: if the jews were not exterminated, where did they all go?
mysolitarystar 1 year ago
@mysolitarystar glad you agree: sense at long last! Others have put forward some real poisoned, ignorant statements on these comment boards.
rabsmiff 1 year ago
@mysolitarystar Israel they were shipped acroos to create the new Israel..
OZMYMAN 1 year ago
Let us not forget the myriad of fake "holocaust" memoirs that my Jewish professor in college assigned and discussed.
Like Benjamin Wilkomirshi fairytale.
What is the true history of the Shoah?
biped19 2 years ago
David Irving was right.. Since he reallized his book, his life has been hell... He has been in prisonment for writting the book on Holocaust too.. But he still stands by it.. He is very brave... His life is destroyed.. And the only thing he needed to do to get his life back, was to tell that Holocaust and the 6 million was real... But refused.. One day people will reconize him as a hero..
Possesed88 2 years ago
Sorry, did you just call me an anti-Flemmite? Let me tell you, I am none of them. I am a Nazi Gas Chamber Operator.
Get it right.
Focoist911 2 years ago
You're just flat out nuts. Have a great night.
paolosilv 2 years ago
one thing that irvin forgets to mention is that the testimonies of german ss men is not even accurate. they say that they saw the camps, ovens and chambers and such but there is flaws to it. chambers were made to kill infections. ovens were made to burn dead infected corpses and nobody in their right mind will deny the existence of camps. another thing is they say they saw many people go to their graves. there is another flaw to this. many can be just in the thousands not the millions.
ultradumbass 2 years ago
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Leuchter and all his friends are just perverse stupid liars. And those who believe these lies are full time idiots.
Leuchter and all his friends are just perverse stupid liars. And those who believe these lies are full time idiots.
Leuchter and all his friends are just perverse stupid liars. And those who believe these lies are full time idiots.
Leuchter and all his friends are just perverse stupid liars. And those who believe these lies are full time idiots.
world19555 2 years ago
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"Irving is essentially an ideologue who uses history for his own political purposes; he is not primarily concerned with discovering and interpreting what happened in the past, he is concerned merely to give a selective and tendentious account of it in order to further his own ideological ends in the present. The true historian's primary concern, however, is with the past. That is why, in the end, Irving is not a historian."
Prof. Richard J. Evans, expert Defence witness, Lipstadt case, 2000.
TerrySleeper 3 years ago
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quite right. Irving is a pro-fascistm pro-Nazi character whose research methods are deeply flawed. What an idiot.
BollyBeat 3 years ago
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When examining and challenging the Holocaust you need to answer the following.
The size and makeup of Auswitz in terms of numbers of barracks, average life expectancy, daily transit arrivals, and that no elderly, infirm and few children were kept are all well documented.
You have failed to put foward any alternative theory as to what happened to this surplus population. An alternative theory can then be tested for evidence to support it. Hence you do nothing but discredit yourselve.
Spiceyhotdog 3 years ago
The best response to this discredited Holocaust-denier and phony historian is given in the following book: Richard J. Evans, "Telling Lies about Hitler" (London, 2002) - it includes extracts from a damning 350-page summing-up of DI by a British High Court judge.
Mr. Justice Gray outlined DI's omissions, distortions and suppression of relevant evidential historical material, concluding that DI "manipulates the historical record in order to make it conform with his political beliefs."
QED.
TerrySleeper 3 years ago
Irvings first offense for which he was fined was because he claimed that the gas chamber on display at Auschwitz is actually a reconstruction built AFTER liberation. But that is in fact true. He wanted the Curator of Auschwitz to testify on his behalf but the Judge refused the witness. David Cole has the Curator in video interview since, and yes he admits it is a reconstruction.
Focoist911 3 years ago 9
recent best books to read human smoke by nicolson baker and patrick buchanan "churchill,hitler and the uncessary war.
rahul2col 3 years ago
Auschwitz concentration camps in wikipedia.
For many years, a memorial plaque placed at the camp by the Soviet authorities stated that 4 million people had been murdered at Auschwitz. The Polish communist government also supported this figure. In the west, this figure was accepted, but some historians had their doubts.After the collapse of the Communist government in 1989, the plaque was removed and the official death toll given as 1.1 million
rahul2col 3 years ago 12
@rahul2col the russsians stated about 70 000 names in their books
OZMYMAN 1 year ago
There's a very interesting documentary made about the man who tested the gas chambers, it's called Mr. Death: The Rise and Fall of Fred A. Leuchter Jr., by Errol Morris. His day job was creating and repairing death machines for the US prison population, gas chambers, electric chairs etc.
WhiteJack8791 3 years ago 2
funny thing about alfred leuchter is that he was the best gas doctor and he was a true holocaust believer until he saw that there were no real traces of fatal gas. he got disbanded. a polish scientist was pissed and wanted to prove him wrong and he came back with the same answer. plus revisionists are allowed to debate it because unlike traditionalists, revisionists are generally historians who are more interested in the truth than traditional. but traditionalists are very stubborn.
ultradumbass 2 years ago
quel merde
paolosilv 2 years ago
What a complete tool.
kingcal06 3 years ago
The Eternal Jew ropaganda film tells that in poland was 4 million jews so were did jews disappear
vytas7 3 years ago
To Russia and America you idiot. Look in the World Almanac.
bucktotim 3 years ago 2
you have a good point.but the basic reasoning of the revisionists has been that before the start of ww2,however disgusting and cruel the treatment of the jews had been ,it fell short of mass industrialised murder.only in the later years some waffen ss troops not the ordinary soldiers who shoot some 200000-600000 germans which only happened because of the deliberate bombing of german cities started first by british in a long and bitter conflict.
rahul2col 3 years ago 2
The germans treated the jews as enemies of the state, which they were. The jews declared war on Germany in 1933. The treatement of jews by germans was certainly no worse than how Eisenhower treated millions of surrendered German soldiers after Germany surrendered.
Focoist911 3 years ago 4
They declared a 'boycott' after Hitler's goons were attacking the Jews. "War" in that context doesn't mean, a war with weapons.
paolosilv 2 years ago
FALSE. The boycott was declared after Hitler kicked all jews out of office.
Focoist911 2 years ago
Declared war? They had no army!
paolosilv 2 years ago
"Declared war? They had no army! " - So you are acting stupid now? They had all the banks. They declared economic war. Most westerners don't realise why the star was painted on all jewish shops - It was to warn germans not to give them their money cause all the jews were conspiring to send the money out of germany.
Focoist911 2 years ago
What rubbish. They? does this include Anne Frank? Which bank did she own? Her piggy bank?
paolosilv 2 years ago
"What rubbish. They? does this include Anne Frank? Which bank did she own? Her piggy bank?" - The perseuction of Anne Frank's family began in 1939 you moron - 5 years AFTER "Judea Declares War on Germany". Between 1933-1939 300,000 jews fled Germany because of anti-semitism. Nothing to do with Nazi government policies being enacted.
You must ask yourself one day - Why have all of europe in the last 1000 years expelled jews from their state?
Focoist911 2 years ago
So anyone who disagrees with you is a 'moron'. Hmm. Well, I guess that's better than being called an untermensch, but I guess you are saving that for when you are really foaming at the mouth. Like your Fuehrer.
paolosilv 2 years ago
"but I guess you are saving that for when you are really foaming at the mouth. Like your Fuehrer." - Churchill was the biggest war criminal of that period. The problem is that he was such a psychopath that he sacrificed the lives of millions of his own people to crush germany at all costs. And the problem is that the victors write the history books. The holohoax stories were invented and promoted to de-nazify the german population as a post-war strategy.
Its all too big for slave brain.
Focoist911 2 years ago
Totally wrong. No responsible person agrees with you. Who cares about your idiotic opinions, doubtlessly gleaned from Irving and his ilk. He was not a psychopath, but a patriot trying to save U K from German invasion. Duh!
Would you rather have the Nazis write the history books?
OK, So the Rothschilds you claim are to blame. They have been blamed for all sorts of shit, but if you actually read about them, you will realize that they helped build modern industry in France, UK and Germany.
paolosilv 2 years ago
"Who cares about your idiotic opinions, doubtlessly gleaned from Irving and his ilk. He was not a psychopath, but a patriot trying to save U K from German invasion." - Sounds like you've been licking up all that mainstream victor propaganda. The UK citizens needed some fantastic war propaganda to explain to all the millions of families why they sacrificed their loved ones starting a war in europe simply cause the germans wanted the Polish corridor back.
Focoist911 2 years ago
Thank God the Allies won. Or are you a hiddden Nazi? Should I report you to the FRG polizei?
paolosilv 2 years ago
"Thank God the Allies won. Or are you a hiddden Nazi? Should I report you to the FRG polizei?" - I doubt Nazi policies would make sense in the US today. But the principal of abolishing the private owned Federal Reserve would be a start, and would in essence be similar to Hitler's first moves.
Focoist911 2 years ago
"Thank God the Allies won. Or are you a hiddden Nazi? Should I report you to the FRG polizei?" - Yeh thank god, otherwise we never would have had Nagasaki and Horishima, but rather entire 1000s of years of history, art, and architecture of Europe wiped out by nukes. Yeh, the allies leaders had all the class. Churchill wanted to use Anthrax bombs on Germany but the Generals refused. Apparently he was blind drunk half the time when coming up with all his insane psychopathic war plans.
Focoist911 2 years ago 2
"Would you rather have the Nazis write the history books?" - Which Nazis? The ones you see in your minds eye or the actual Nazis who existed before GB declared war on them?
Do you even realise that Russia were fully allied with Germany in the invasion of Poland and that the deal was that Russia would take them from the east and get 2/3 of Poland and Germany from the west and would get the east 1/3 including the Polish Corridor which was taken from Germany in WW1?
Focoist911 2 years ago
Oh he only wanted the Polish corridor? What about Austria, Sudetenland, Czechoslovakia? What about his call for war with Russia in Mein Kampf?
paolosilv 2 years ago
"Oh he only wanted the Polish corridor? What about Austria, Sudetenland, Czechoslovakia? What about his call for war with Russia in Mein Kampf?" - The neocons have written plenty of books calling for 100 year wars with the entire world. Wake the fuck up you mastrubating fool. You're caught up in simple diatribes, simple working-class concept like Good Guys and Bad Guys, Cowaboys and Indians. You're a fucking CHILD and it is scarey how many adults in this west today are CHILDREN in the heads.
Focoist911 2 years ago
Those are rhetorical questions, not a 'diatribe'. It is you who are engaged in a pointless diatribe. Stop insulting Anne Frank and the other innocent victims, you jerk.
paolosilv 2 years ago
"Stop insulting Anne Frank and the other innocent victims, you jerk. " - The jews insult her by using her to promote their holohoax. She died of typhus, the reason being that the allied forces fire-bombed all germany's cities and knocked out the transport networks - All of germany was starving, not just in the camps. Further, the Americans at this time had a simple cure for Typhus - It was called DDT. The germans didn't have it. So Anne Frank died because of the allied forces war crimes.
Focoist911 2 years ago
Ah, we see. A 'hoax'? That is your real agenda. She died of typhus. True, but what was a 15 year old girl doing in a concentration camp? Why wasn't she home in the Netherlands? Hmm? Do you have an answer for that?
paolosilv 2 years ago
she wasn't at home because she was being detained in a concentration camp as possible spies. similar to how allies rounded millions of germans, austrians, italians and japanese.
ultradumbass 1 year ago
@ultradumbass She ? Who?
paolosilv 1 year ago
"Stop insulting Anne Frank and the other innocent victims, you jerk." - The other innocent victims? Are you referring to the 58 million civilians who were killed in WW2?
Focoist911 2 years ago
"They have been blamed for all sorts of shit, but if you actually read about them, you will realize that they helped build modern industry in France, UK and Germany."
Let me take a leaf from your brainwashed head: Thats like saying Hitler may have had bad things about him but he establish the autobahn, the worlds first highway network, that he inititiated the world's most produced car - The VW Beetle. That he did lots of good stuff.
Focoist911 2 years ago
"Who cares about your idiotic opinions, doubtlessly gleaned from Irving and his ilk." - Irving was one of the most respected WW2 historians in the world, was the best seller of WW2 history books until the day he published a book which included the claim that he could not find any evidence that Hitler ordered the extermination or maltreatment of jews. After that we have people, idiots, like you, claim that all his former work is total crap. You are either a jew or a jew slave loser.
Focoist911 2 years ago 2
Banks were nationalized under Hitler. Ever hear of "Deutsche Bank?" So it was not controlled by Jews. Caught you.
paolosilv 2 years ago
"Banks were nationalized under Hitler. Ever hear of "Deutsche Bank?" So it was not controlled by Jews. Caught you." -
Why do you think Hitler nationalised the banks? How do you think Germany rose to power from poverty so quickly?
Why do you think the countries listed in the Axis of Evil are in the Axis of Evil? You know why? Because they all nationalised their banks.
Focoist911 2 years ago
They rose from poverty because of 'deficit spending'. Hitler spent gov't funds on building the Autobahn, cars, and most importantly, weapons. He also controlled people with the food supply . The starving Germans were thankful. To repay that thanks, he launched the biggest war of all time.
paolosilv 2 years ago
"They rose from poverty because of 'deficit spending'." - Oh I see. It was deficit spending. Better go tell all the thrid world countries this trick.
Hitler rebuilt germany in such a short time because he kicked out the jewish bankers and reclaimed the banks for the nation. He was a true patriot. Its that simple.
You're just a filthy lying jew.
Focoist911 2 years ago
"Declared war? They had no army! " - Its their own words you ignorant twit. Look up "Judea Declares War on Germany".
While you're at it, look up the 1919 "holocaust" of "6 million jews" lols. It appeared in the American Hebrew magazine in 1919.
Go fuck yourself.
Focoist911 2 years ago
That's from a newspaper headline advocating a boycott of Germany, due to Hitler's explusion of Jews from German workforce. That's how they 'fought back' before the war. Idiot.
paolosilv 2 years ago
"That's how they 'fought back' before the war. Idiot. " - They started the war you idiot. Hitler wanted the Polish Corridor back. The jews funded Winston Churchill into power because he was a war monger. Look at the way he conducted himself as Admiral of the Royal navy in WW1. He was a war monger. Meanwhile the jews backed Roosevelt. The whole war, just like you've just witnessed in the middle-east, was pushed for and funded by Rothschild empire - THE JEWS. Wake the fuck up you jew slave.
Focoist911 2 years ago
Hahahaa.
paolosilv 2 years ago
"They", who is they? How is Anne Frank to blame for "they?" How is a Polish Jewish shoeshiner or Merchant to blame for "they?" Are you to blame for Bush/Cheney? Or for Blair/Brown? Or whoever is your nation's leader? Hm?
paolosilv 2 years ago
Why do you masturbate over the story of Anne Frank? 60 million people died in WW2.
58 million of them were civilians.
You think there is something special about Anne Frank?
Think about this: "A reconstruction of the barracks in the concentration camp Westerbork where Anne Frank stayed from August to September 1944"
A reconstruction? Why would you reconstruct a war prison and then profiteer off it for the next 100 years? You'd have to be a JEW thats why.
Focoist911 2 years ago
You're a creep. I would rather remember her as one lost child than think of you for one second, you ugly cretin. The barracks of Bergen Belsen are not profited from by Jews, they are owned by the FRG.
paolosilv 2 years ago
"The barracks of Bergen Belsen are not profited from by Jews, they are owned by the FRG." - Oh I see. You need to go and read THE HOLOCAUST INDUSTRY.
Focoist911 2 years ago
Crackpot Norman Finklestein, eh? Well, there are always a few loonies who make a buck writing a book filled with smears. These conspiracy theories are loonytunes. The Jews are blamed for the private banks. Then for nationalization of banks (which is what you are suggesting we do with the Federal Reserve). Maybe Jews are to blame for the bad weather , too?
paolosilv 2 years ago
"Crackpot Norman Finklestein, eh?" - Or "self-hating jew", is that what you wanted to say or that would have exposed to much about yourself? That you're a jew?
Your MO in revision is simply, "Any perspective which is detrimental to seeing jews in a pious frame is wrong and anyone who forwards such perspective must be denounced as a crackpot".
The reason the world - especially christians and muslims - hate jews is because jews hate Truth.
Focoist911 2 years ago 2
I'm part Jewish, and proud of it.
paolosilv 2 years ago
"The barracks of Bergen Belsen are not profited from by Jews, they are owned by the FRG. " - Oh BTW, you should actually call them the RECONSTRUCTED Barracks of Bergen Belsen.
I heard they are reconstructing another set of them at Disney Lands to teach all the kiddies how to pity jews.
Focoist911 2 years ago
I see the heat's getting to you in Australia. It only proves that the best , like Steve irwin, die young, and we're stuck with jerks like you and Mel Gibson. Fuck off douchebag.
paolosilv 2 years ago
Melb Gibson only said what he said because he was drunk. Drunks speak the truth. He only said what most goy in hollywood think.
It may be o.k. with you Paol to be a serf of elite psychopathic jews, but its not o.k. with me, and like millions of others we are organising to take them out.
As for the innocent jews? I hear people protest for the innocent jews 1000 times more than I hear them protest for the innocent Iraqis, Afghanis, which is ALL of them as they didn't do 9/11 or other. SCUM JEWS
Focoist911 2 years ago 4
So you have no pity for those Jews massacred and murdered, eh? No pity for the victims of bergen-belsen, Auschwitz, Treblinka, and the other camps? Well, I'm sure in your mind they were all owners of Winston Churchill's brain. Hmm.
paolosilv 2 years ago
"No pity for the victims of bergen-belsen, Auschwitz, Treblinka, and the other camps" - The were lesser victims than those in german cities being fire bombed by the nutcase Churchill. The jews didn't have to go through the war, they were all safely in prison camps which the allies refused to bomb.
Given that 58 million innocent people were killed in WW2, just as many jews would have died if they'd been left where they lived in the first place.
Focoist911 2 years ago 3
safely, huh? Can I ask a personal question? Why do you print such rubbish. Go away. The men in white coats are coming for you.
paolosilv 2 years ago
"safely, huh?" - relatively yes. Do you even know paol, that in 1989 the Russians finally released their records of Auschwitz and simultaneously were forced to confess that it wasn't 4 million jews but no more than 1.1 million who died there. Yet the 6 million figure remained the same? Did you know that not one jew was ever found who died from gassing or poisen? But that all those found died from typhus and starvation?
Focoist911 2 years ago 12
bye
paolosilv 2 years ago
If you would read more on history, you would realize that the Roman Empire declared war on the Jews, and exiled them around 70 AD. You would realize that when Christianity became the Empire's religion, they began persecuting the Jews for Jesus's death. You would realize that during the Middle Ages, the Jews were blamed for all sorts of bad things. Because they were not Christian, they were persecuted, as were the Moslems who once ruled Spain.
paolosilv 2 years ago
"when Christianity became the Empire's religion, they began persecuting the Jews for Jesus's death." - lols. Yeh. It was just because of Jesus's death. Lols. Had nothing to do with usury and their mafia activities robbing and swindling all the christians.
Focoist911 2 years ago
"You would realize that during the Middle Ages, the Jews were blamed for all sorts of bad things." -
Yeh, and as always the jews were victims. lols.
Go fuck yourself you stupid brainwashed jew.
Focoist911 2 years ago
the jews were exiled in 70 AD? are you fucking retarded? those were christians who were persecuted because the jewish authorities claimed that they had such bad influence on their religion. they killed 90% of christians in that time including St. Peter.
ultradumbass 1 year ago
@ultradumbass The Romans destroyed the temple, dumbass, in 70 AD as predicted by Jesus.
paolosilv 1 year ago
jesus never predicted the romans destroying the temple. and he never talked about the destruction of a temple. you must study the gospels first, even though i don't take religion seriously like msot people around here do.
jesus was talking about his body being destroyed where all contact with god is lost, and then when he revives, god will be everywhere and not in a temple, which is why the red curtain fell as soon as he rose from the dead. or died. depending on which gospel you read from.
ultradumbass 1 year ago
Good bless Stohlz and Zundel and give them strength
Sherlocksmartertwin 4 years ago 6
thanks 4 posting this stuff you rule !
12345DEADLAMB 4 years ago 14
Thank you...:-)
RevisionistsRus 4 years ago