BBC - Why I Hate The Sixties (2004) [part 1 of 6]

[TheThrillseeker01]

Where I lived in Devon the sixties began around 1972 and are mostly still there

[Unbihexium]

Distinguishing is the sign of the loss of Eden... and the beginning of civilization. And there are times when differences are messed up. Then the whole process starts again. Sometimes "values/norms" are questioned not because they are not any more important but because their backhand shows up. Therefore it is never nihilism but strictly consistent insistance on the importance of "values" which leads to this. When values become common sense and not exaggerated they start simply working smoothly.

[veraellen1924]

I would have liked to live through the early years of the 60s up to the end but still at the beginning of the 60s the 50s were still there but by 1963 the Beatles made their way to the spotlight the 60s were great accept the JFK assassination

[veraellen1924]

@snowfield667

I think the 50s were very boring especially in Britain my teacher at my highschool told me that to be a kid in the 50s were complete boring not many too things for young people like now

[boffinme80]

@veraellen1924 Not true at all. Your highschool teacher is an idiot. The 50s were very exciting times for Britain. In the early 50s, it still felt a tiny bit like the war but it had ended. By 1955, like America, we were rocking away. We had the Teddy Boys who were the early versions of Mods and Rockers then Mods and Rockers culture finally emerged in 1956. My parents said the 50s were a great time for discoveries and social change. It started the 60s.

[veraellen1924]

@boffinme80

I think the 60s introduced many changes like the hippies Mods and fashion and homosexuality became legal I was reading an article about a man being a ted in the 50s and afterwards doing national service in the 50s he returned to London about 1962 and many changes were made all he could see was the Mods with the Italian suits and winkle picker cuban shoes the teddy boy culture was forgotten by then. I would have liked to live in the 60s especially in Britain.

[boffinme80]

@veraellen1924 The 50s introduced those changes as well. The Mods began in the late 50s but became popular in the 60s. Don't listen to your teacher. Seriously, get a book or dvd about the Fifties. The eary 50s were a bit bleak but after 1953, when rationing ended, it was looking almost like the 60s.

[boffinme80]

@veraellen1924 The 50s introduced the Ford Anglia and the Mini.More people had cars and television. The 60s were great too but the 50s were also great and the changes in the 60s actually started in the 50s. People tend to forget that. If it wasn't for the changes in the 50s the 60s would have got nowhere. You can't say the 50s were boring if you never lived in it.

[veraellen1924]

@boffinme80

I never knew that the 50s introduced the Ford Anglia and the Mini they always say it was the 60s cars and every documentary that you see always say that the 60s introduced social changes and sexual revolution the only thing that I am hearing from the 50s is the teen culture and rock and roll music if I were to choose a decade I will say the 1960s and I would like to live from 1961 to 1969 this are the best years of the 60s

[boffinme80]

@veraellen1924 To my mistake, the 1940s introduced the Ford Anglia but the Mini was introduced in 1958. It's true, the 60s were the decade of social changes and sexual revolution but the 50s introduced the rebel society and the music revolution. What do you think the 50s in America were like? If you lived in America would you have preffered to live in the 50s or 60s??

[veraellen1924]

@boffinme80

I will prefer the 60s the 50s were great too since then young people had their own identity different to their parents but the 60s had the music revolution and I mean Motown garage rock the twist the Beatles all sorts variety of music as the 50s had only rock n roll and the typical rock n roll American artists like Elvis and Bill Haley

[boffinme80]

@veraellen1924 In both Britain and America, the mid 50s and 60s were possibly the best times.

[boffinme80]

@veraellen1924 The 50s were also the great change in British cinema as well.

[boffinme80]

@veraellen1924 Get the dvd "Britain in the Fifties: Those Were the Days" Trust me they were anything but boring.

[TheOther42086]

not to worry, the Muslims will rebuild...

[joemj413]

6:16 QFT

[EricandDish]

Great subtitle consdering that England is one of the main reasons why the 60's became that (The Beatles throwing out the book of men's grooming is an example). I want to write a book that will end all 60's talk-but it will about things that we still don't know about. And as what the character in the John Wayne movie said, "When fact becomes fiction, we print the fiction." That is what I feel about the 1960's.

[crackmonster99]

It wasn't the decade it was the baby boomers who messed everything up.

[faithfulltobeatles]

How can someone hate the Sixties?

[freakyfadge]

why does the narrator keep saying "dickaid"? it really annoys me.

[burtonrules123]

andy wrhol is such a weird little fag. why is his stuff so popular? obviously drugged out of his mind.

[topologyrob]

@burtonrules123 And more of your homophobic true colours. Seems you might be living a nasty little life.

[1a1a2s3d4f5g]

I cannot believe how stupid this Mike Phillips is. My God!

[1a1a2s3d4f5g]

Beware people! This presentation of not-so-well sixties is far more dangerous than you could imagine. They want to destroy our civilization by convincing us how the sixties were bad time to live in. Let me tell you this: period of the sixties was the cradle of modernization and freedom. Without it, we would now have COMMUNISM.

[1a1a2s3d4f5g]

Sixties in London... that's how I imagine Heaven.

[AutoTuneThat]

TITS!

[Nagual0033166]

And the elephant in the room is... Frankfurt school Marxism. i.e. the plot to destroy Western civilization.

[14jwh]

does it occur that analysis of history through the artifice of "decades" is meaningless? does some sea change occur at the stroke of midnight on new years eve 1969 for example? or 1959? of course not. I put forth that ultimately there exists nothing new under the big yellow sun. Hating the sixties? what a daft idea. Jesus was a hippie and Mohammad a conservative republican, whatever, POP art is great fun, Mick Jagger had a lot to say and said it well, as well as the literary greats.

[topologyrob]

So Peter Oborne, young people are "basically not" interesting? What sort of ageist rubbish is this? Apart from being ridiculous, it's quite unethical.

[deltapunk21]

woooowwww boobs all i saw lol

[calihartley2010]

@thereisnofirmament Just shut up and watch. Then give your crappy opinions. If you watch the whole vidoes, you will see that cheesehoven is right.

[Vebinz]

Thanks for posting!

It's the kind of documentary that would never be made/shown in the US, because it would discomfort both Left and Right.

[samthelima]

Every piece of architecture built in the 60s was rubbish

[fiddleandcatz]

"we've never had it so good" 10 years later they never had it so bad, ironically in 2007 andrew marr stated we've never had it so good yet within 12 months we had the run on northern rock and the finacial crisis. Swings and roundabouts.

[Zendout1]

What a hoot

Look at Britain now--what a shame

Not to worry though

I'm confident Britain will revive itself bigger and better than ever before

[cheesehoven]

@Zendout1 I hope you are right but I fear things will get worse before they get better.

[raymartin10]

the 60s was the greatest decade in music since man started to bang together 2 stones. human creativity was at its peak. when a decade gets that good its only human nature to try and hack it down to size (tall poppy syndrome) but the evidence is there despite human subjectivity. strawberry fields, waterloo sunset, tomorrow never knows, tracks of my tears...these songs are the highpoint of all art

[AchillesShield]

Some sanity at last!

The 60s was a disaster, destroying the last remnants of decency and culture in favour of a gaudy tasteless facade. The sexual revolution has been a catastrophe, and kitsch has led to shrivelling of the human spirit. As someone born in mid-80s, I'm saddened that my generation hasn't woken up to the fact that it's living a dead existence.

We've become Eliot's Hollow Men!

[cheesehoven]

@AchillesShield Well said.

[ironhills]

@AchillesShield The 60's weren't responsible for the birth of a "tasteless gaudy facade", but the manifestation of it. It was the inevitable result and climax of the post-war boom years.

[topologyrob]

@AchillesShield What nonsense. The level of sophistication and cultural richness in 2011 is so far above what was available in any earlier decade. This is an incredibly rich time to be alive - look at the vast extent of talent in music, literature, film, science and so many other areas compared to the scarcity in earlier periods. There's an embarrassment of riches now.

[princeminski47]

@topologyrob You're being facetious, right?

[topologyrob]

@princeminski47 Of course not - it's hard to think of any time in history when music has been this rich. Seriously. I speak as a professor of music at the university of Queensland, for what that's worth if anything.

[burtonrules123]

@topologyrob that was an hilarious read. truly delusional, but funny.

[topologyrob]

@burtonrules123 Whatever - if you think that, I imagine you don't know too much about contemporary music. Your loss mate.

[burtonrules123]

@topologyrob actually on the contrary, i know too MUCH about modern music. much of it i would just like to forget.

[topologyrob]

@burtonrules123 Well there's no accounting for taste. Just know that many of us, very well informed indeed about music, think that today's music is a golden age beside which Mozart's period seems very poor indeed.

[Versus1984]

@AchillesShield

Yes, and It took a financial crisis to realize the truth.Now the party is finito, there are no money and we have to clean up the mess..As Gordon Gecko said in "Wallstreet 2" - "You are all pretty much fucked up."

[cheesehoven]

@thereisnofirmament There is overwhelming proof that Keynesian economics worsened the great depression, if you care to open your mind and look. Anyone who predicted this was the case is dismissed as "Idiotic" by you. This speaks for itself.

[cheesehoven]

@thereisnofirmament So having been proven wrong, rather than admit it, the neo-Marxists simply convert their religious faith from economic to cultural terms.

Marxism has never worked wherever it has been tried. It consists of a series of abstract and unproven "theories" (not actually theories in the true sense of the word, but hypothesis, and childish ones at that) which do not take human nature into account.

[cheesehoven]

@thereisnofirmament I see little point in carrying on with this. You claim to be well read but come across as a lazy ideologue full of generic insults "bs", "crackpots" and now "dumbest".

And yes Marxism is obviously a religion, a very unsound one at that. As an economic system (ie what it was intended to be) it was proven not only to be a failure, but a deeply oppressive one, by the 1950s at the latest.

[cheesehoven]

@thereisnofirmament "marx proven wrong - or bolshevikism proven wrong?" Marx I'm afraid, his worshippers follow him to the letter as far as his utopian fantasies go, but there is a great deal of vagueness in his work (like any other religion) where different interpretations come into play. This is the get out of jail free card for Marx.

And yes I have read both gentlemen.

[cheesehoven]

@thereisnofirmament This is becoming tedious. Just look at your argument. First you suggest that every economist agrees with Keynes, the only disagreement coming from a few Austrian "crackpots". Then you admit that Keynes may be wrong. So are the dissenters still crackpots? You still make the false dichotomy between Keynes/Austrian economists when in fact there is are vast range of criticism and ideas about the best method of managing the economy.

[cheesehoven]

@thereisnofirmament "and keynes has been proven wrong, i agree. marx hasn't though." How wrong can one person be? The twentieth century was a giant Petri dish for proven Marx wrong over and over again. Actually he was proven wrong theoretically in his own lifetime.

[cheesehoven]

@thereisnofirmament Well I could pluck out many obscure authors that I have read and that you have probably never or vaguely heard of. But so what? I'm not the one dismissing any counter argument out of hand as "Bs" and by "Crackpots" which shows how open your mind is to new ideas. It is for this reason that I doubt you have read broadly, but rather only read things which reinforce your worldview.

[cheesehoven]

@thereisnofirmament I've read plenty of books, thanks and obviously of a greater cultural and literary range than yourself. I do not immediately come into a debate and call an opposing view "bullshit" or any different economic expert as a "crackpot". Keynesianism has been shown to have prolonged the depression; Keynes has sadly been proven wrong about almost everything.

[cheesehoven]

@thereisnofirmament Check outt the Hayek v Keynes rap video for debunking of this nonsense. And please try not to hurl generic insults about.

[cheesehoven]

@thereisnofirmament I'm having difficulty with what point you are trying to make here. "According to Keynes and every economist " is a hell of a generalisation and seems to imply that all economists are Keynesians. They're not.

[polymath7]

Ah, this documentary, in the opening few minutes, features vignettes fron Terry Eagleton and Peter Hitchens, two of the biggest buffoons in Britain.

Goodbye.

*clicks off*

[burtonrules123]

@polymath7 your nothing but a leftist pig.

[topologyrob]

@burtonrules123 Ah, so we see your true colours here.

[burtonrules123]

@topologyrob no we see your true colors left diot.

[rickelmonoggin]

Sixties were great for technology, art, music, sport, and social freedom.

What's not to love?

[TeshiKennedy117]

@rickelmonoggin Looks like someone didn't watch the video... the 60s wasn't all about the Beatles and moon landing you know

[burtonrules123]

the 60's blew, bug time. the bands of the time were into satanism, moral decay, fashion was well, REDIculous, drugs and free sex became popular and it was the start of the modern decaying world. they all following alastaire crowley! that guy was EVIL SATANIST!

[valerock667]

who cares, the time we're living are worst that any other time. 60's FTW!!!

[DoReMiForever]

I hate the 60's.

1990's forever

[sgtmcwallace]

"could have been a shoe"

[TenTonHorse]

Interesting documentary. A recent series presented by Lulu, "Rewind the 60's", was fascinating to watch because many guest writers or columnists, complained about the sociological and societal damage that the many social experiments of the 60's caused, with the high-rise flats rife with crime, the destruction of any positive aspect of education, and Lulu clearly felt awkward and out of her depth, instead wanting to talk abiut fashion, music, and so on. No substance to the 60's.

[richievegas01]

@cheesehoven Oh, and near global financial meltdown.

[cheesehoven]

@richievegas01 Again this is the result of the 'spend now, pay later' mindset of the sixties; before then individuals were encouraged to save and defer gratification.

[richievegas01]

@cheesehoven The Tsunami was obv. a natural diasaster, I was thinking more of the response, Dubya's derisory offer of $15 million dollars in aid. Laughable. Yeah, you could argue that X Facor, Cowell and his ilk are a result of the 1980s-1960s mindset. Music has always turned a profit, it's right that musicians should get paid, they used to have display some talent. All the scumabgs associated with X Factor, management, PRs etc receive all the money, not the 'singers' themselves.

[cheesehoven]

@richievegas01 I don't disagree with what you say but the point I am trying to make is that this decline in talent you rightly note is a natural consequence of the 'liberal agenda' of the last 40 years.

[JerFhilm]

@cheesehoven Yeah it's true. Liberal media is all about turning anything unique into watered down filtered to hell porridge that appeals to the widest demographic.

Still, you think the conservatives woulda done a better job controlling the media? We probably still wouldn't allow negroes in the workplace lol.

Both sides suck ass and neither promotes honesty.

[richievegas01]

@cheesehoven The decade we've just been through has got to rank as one of the worst. 9/11, 7/7, Iraq, Afganistan, knife crime, hellhole town centres of a weekend, Dubya, Blair, Brown, Sarah Palin, reality TV, crap music, X Factor, Simon Cowell, Darfur, Boxing Day Tsunami, Haiti, almost every single bit of bit was bloody awful.

[cheesehoven]

@richievegas01 Some of these were natural disasters which would have happened anyway. Most of the others are directly attributable to the ME ethos which entered mainstream culture in the 60s. Check out P Hitchen brief history of crime for specifics of the rise in sadistic crimes.

[burtonrules123]

@richievegas01 you dont get it, ALL this crap started in the 60's! moral decline, counterculture, all the crap that was allowed in during the 60's has been polluting our culture for the last 40-50 years!

[MJMedin]

It's DECade - NOT decADE!

[adraim69]

To much happens in any given decade to pretend is was all bad or all good. Basically all you say when you say you hate decade X is that you had a shitty time during decade X. Concentrate on the negative and you can make any point in time seem like utter shit. for anyone young or old reading this, try not to go through life thinking things use to be better. If you do, it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

[universalsurfer80]

@adraim69 yes u are right. the past is the past. we can make a better future.

[irishelk1]

im sorry but what a load of crap i was born in 1991 i wasnt born in the 60s but its not just all about what it was its also the legacy i mean cumon man ,they beatles ? the moon landings ? woodstock !?!!.lsd, psycadelia ?,great music ,and fashion ,to name a few .....this is just the opinion of a few old farts who are they to talk ?

[cheesehoven]

@irishelk1 That you quote woodstock LSD and psychedelia as the great achievements of the 60s pretty much proves the point of the documentary.

[irishelk1]

@cheesehoven thats your opinion ..look at what the 80s gave us ..lip syncing,shit one hit wonders,big ugly mobile phones and shit hair...

[cheesehoven]

@irishelk1 You should perhaps consider that that 80s crap was the result of those born in the 60s and absorbing the lack of values of that decade. By constrast the musicians of the 60s were born in the 40s and were subjected to a rigorous education which they set about to destroy.

[calihartley2010]

@cheesehoven I agree with you. Irishelk1 is young and stupid. The decadence of religion, morality, culture and values all have their roots in the counter culture revolution of the 1960s. If these liberal hippies did not change anything or were just satisfied with the culture of the 1950s, the world would be a better place. Alas they spolied it for generations to come. When these hipies retire and die and give the world to the next generation, things will be better. Just watch and see.

[MrHaithwaite1992]

@irishelk1 As a fellow man of the 90s (1992), bugger the 60s and the 80s, the 90s were great. We had S Club 7, Steps, no USSR and better TV and better disney movies. Things were great . I hate the 21st century with it's Jonas brothers, an increasingly powerful China and the threat of damn dirty apes taking over. (OK I was taking the piss on the last one.)

[calihartley2010]

@irishelk1 You and young and idiotic. These old farts as you call them have more sense of what they are talking about and they talk from experience because they have lived long and also through that decade. Shutup and watch and learn. Please stop glorifying woodstock, drugs and sex.

[quantumofhate]

He said were are still liveing with they afects of the 1960s to day I would say with youth fashon and music hip hop taging and grafeti and popuilor cultcher that comes out of the USA and the UK.

[erka001]

this documentary absolutely rocks! thatnks for sharing

[Hartnellfan2]

This sounds interesting. I'll have a watch!