The book is really a warning against Fasism and a wraning to Socialists, Communist to be careful not to forget what they really believe in, world peace with comradeship and human progress.
@CarlAllenPL Understand, please, that to imply that O'Brien's so-called 'co-authorship' of 'Theory & Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism' categorically with the alleged & semi-mythical Emmanuel Goldstein also implies absolute existence of this Goldstein within the novel - when in fact he has attained (been mythologized/propagandized) by the Party into the same illusiory state as his once-compatriot, Big Brother during Winston's earliest infancy post-WWII & the early days of the Revolution...
@MGGoblin So you clearly suggest that Goldstein existed in exact, and only his book was a hoax? Or, maybe, that the Goldstein and his book (abused by O'Brien who lied about his co-authoring of it) were both real in the world of "1984"? I don't think so. Orwell has tried to depict the fiction and hypocrisy that must be rife in any totalitary system, and in that purpose he made Goldstein an artificial enemy fabricated by the Party (what was once revealed by O"Brien to Smith).
@CarlAllenPL No so much that he exists, maybe "he existed". The fact is that O'Brien tells Winsto "They got me a very long time a ago" - perhaps O'Brien really was a friend of Goldstein, but he was corrupted by the oligarchy.
@MGGoblin O'Brien told it to Smith and Julia during their visit to his luxury apartment, in the purpose to sink them w/o doubt. Lying about itself and his conspiracy, he then said these words. But we know that O'Brien is extremely brilliant man (judging after his further investigation of Smith). Probably therefore he decided to use his dark humor saying that he is commit since long time (in fact having Party in mind, but knowing that Smith isn't able to figure it out) and WHERE they will meet ;>
What a crock of waste. For example, I never had a job with more -time to think- than in so-called 'mindless labor' jobs. If you self-styled achievers were not so busy ruining your minds with business school, managing the accounts of your failing small business, blaming its failing on truly inevitable things like taxes, rather than invented & false inevitabilities like inequality of income, you might have noticed that.
Math is Much More than Just Numbers .. 4 + 4 can Only equal 8 if you can bring them together .. .. in a non hazardous environment .. So with that said ,, 2 + 2 can be 5 but at the same time a 6 can look like a 9 and a 3 when you need a 2 can be 1 to many.
@ThatGuyWhoSucksBoobz What you have given is some incomplete, non-contextualized snippets in a YouTube comment that have not even included references - references that we fully examine and list in our series that includes a complete analysis of democratic socialism, to quote Orwell, "as I know it" and details of the informing he did for MI6 under the democratic socialist state of the British Labour Party, 1945-50, and his innate dislike for Jews, subcontinentals, and Blacks.
@ThatGuyWhoSucksBoobz We note that Orwell has been quoted either out of context or not in full in these discussions. This is similar to what happened to his work during the McCarthy era. However, there is more to Orwell than what initially meets the eye. We have included these arguments and quotes in the attached 35 part + series, 'Citizen Orwell: MI6?' We suggest you take a look for accurate views on Orwell, socialism and democratic socialism...
@ThatGuyWhoSucksBoobz And as for Right wing ideology being feared, what happens when it gangs up in the guise of National Socialism with Soviet Socialism over, say, Poland, which they divided?
@ThatGuyWhoSucksBoobz Yes funny how the Left claim him now after roundly criticizing him for both 'Animal Farm' and '1984' - both true expressions of his loathing for the Left he found late in his life with Britain still under rationing. The work is there, plain. In his own words. Sure he was a journalist working for the Labour Party but he was also a propagandist during the war which led him to finish writing '1984'. Just because you cling to socialism, don't brand him with it...
Many on the far Left became leftists because of his writings, specifically "Homage to Catalonia." In the book, he even states his support for the anarchist socialist movement. You are grouping the libertarian socialists with the statist socialists (USSR). These are two distinct groups with Orwell a supporter of the former and most of the former supporters of Orwell. There would be no good reason for a libertarian socialist to criticize Orwell's writings.
@WorldPeace4All6 Orwell, as a confirmed social democrat (like the corporatist accuser of Assange, Anna Ardin), also sold out his Leftist mates as "crypto-communistist" to MI6. He also, like Ardin, hated Jews, Indians and Blacks...
@ThatGuyWhoSucksBoobz To show his disgust and fear of the Left by 1948, Orwell gifted Celia Paget, of the Labour Govt.'s Foreign Office's IRD, a list of "journlists and writers who in my opinion are crypto-Communists, fellow-travellers or inclined that way and should not be trusted as propagandists" (Orwell's words).ORWELL: WINTRY CONSCIENCE OF A GENERATION by Jeffrey Myers, Chapter 16, pages 295-297:
@Hmsheen10 This video answers your own question - later variants of socialism promoted 'unfreedoms' but kept the phraseology of these ealier movements from the 19th century. This is why the Stalinist soundtrack is used - a chief concern of Orwell's. Try new improved anarchy!
@Hmsheen10 It is Ingsoc - English Socialism - that rules Oceania, just like Neo-Bolshevism rules Eurasia and obliteration of the self rules East Asia...That is why the sound track is Stalinist - a chief theme of Orwell's...
As long as we are a profit-oriented, money driven society, nothing will change and there will always be social stratification. We need to move from the need for profit to the need for resources and clean energy. You can't buy or own resources or energy as they are for ALL humans on planet Earth. We need to abolish monetary-ism.
@WJValente You mean the monetary system. It would not work because you forget people have motives and essentially NOT driven by good but by their basic motives, impulses and desires - we are animals and things like corporations, politics, religion all shape and divide people, provide the demands as well as supply them - if there was no monetary system, the government, who WOULD own resources, would limit resources in some way. Not to preserve it but to control it. Government = control.
@votumseparatum1 All resources would be declared as common heritage, yours and mine. If there wasn't enough of something, then you would have to pay for it, but if it can be dished out evenly, there is no problem. Research the Venus Project.
@WJValente- They can make up bogus laws (like the Carbon tax which will be passed some time or later), create new beliefs systems through propaganda, and formulate the minds of the youth through schooling, certain programs and certain mediums like the media itself. Getting rid of money will not solve anything because humanity itself would need to be completely but indirectly controlled in almost every way for equality and for the monetary system to be abolished.
@votumseparatum1 This is simply not true. You are correct that a new set of values would have to be established, but money controls everything and therefore if there was no money the elite would have no control. Research the Venus Project.
@levogiro ´Search in google: "TEORIA Y PRACTICA DEL COLECTIVISMO OLIGÁRQUICO - EMMANUEL GOLDSTEIN" and then you make a video like this, but with spanish subtitles or with spanish language.
What a meant is that I would be pleased to caption this one... I have no trouble undestanding the english spoken here. Maybe sometimes I write english like crap... but translating in the sense english-spanish doesn't imply writing in english... and my understanding of english is complete.
This is what will happen if Obama gets his reform passed in the Senate. He is coming after you folks. Obama knows all about it. The poor people have not a clue. Obama plans to be the dictator of the whole world just like in 1984. Now is the time to stop him cold.
The Complete Patriot's Guide to Oligarchical Collectivism: its Theory and Practice states there are four types of people, idiots, zealots, elitists and patriots.
Hi OceanicIngsoc, Great video, Goldstein's book is a brilliant piece of coded writing against government's who use propaganda and blatantly lie, I hope you don't mind if I steal the audio to make my own version.
When it comes right down to it soldiers are blind killers, always have been and always will be.
KymaticaHealth 8 months ago
Great set of videos! Thanks.
funnyasfuc 8 months ago
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Closely listen to an Inception dvd made before the January 8th Tucson shooting, especially around, "'Do It.'" Inception.
jamestargetedindiv 8 months ago
The book is really a warning against Fasism and a wraning to Socialists, Communist to be careful not to forget what they really believe in, world peace with comradeship and human progress.
cultofmao 10 months ago 3
Undestand please; Goldstein's book was only a bait, co-authored by O'Brien personally. Nothing new under the Sun...
CarlAllenPL 1 year ago
@CarlAllenPL Understand, please, that to imply that O'Brien's so-called 'co-authorship' of 'Theory & Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism' categorically with the alleged & semi-mythical Emmanuel Goldstein also implies absolute existence of this Goldstein within the novel - when in fact he has attained (been mythologized/propagandized) by the Party into the same illusiory state as his once-compatriot, Big Brother during Winston's earliest infancy post-WWII & the early days of the Revolution...
OceanicIngsoc 1 year ago 2
@CarlAllenPL No. O'Brien used it as bait, but Goldstein really believed his own words. O'Brien, seemed to not fully understand the book...
MGGoblin 11 months ago
@MGGoblin So you clearly suggest that Goldstein existed in exact, and only his book was a hoax? Or, maybe, that the Goldstein and his book (abused by O'Brien who lied about his co-authoring of it) were both real in the world of "1984"? I don't think so. Orwell has tried to depict the fiction and hypocrisy that must be rife in any totalitary system, and in that purpose he made Goldstein an artificial enemy fabricated by the Party (what was once revealed by O"Brien to Smith).
CarlAllenPL 11 months ago
@CarlAllenPL No so much that he exists, maybe "he existed". The fact is that O'Brien tells Winsto "They got me a very long time a ago" - perhaps O'Brien really was a friend of Goldstein, but he was corrupted by the oligarchy.
MGGoblin 10 months ago
@MGGoblin O'Brien told it to Smith and Julia during their visit to his luxury apartment, in the purpose to sink them w/o doubt. Lying about itself and his conspiracy, he then said these words. But we know that O'Brien is extremely brilliant man (judging after his further investigation of Smith). Probably therefore he decided to use his dark humor saying that he is commit since long time (in fact having Party in mind, but knowing that Smith isn't able to figure it out) and WHERE they will meet ;>
CarlAllenPL 10 months ago
What a crock of waste. For example, I never had a job with more -time to think- than in so-called 'mindless labor' jobs. If you self-styled achievers were not so busy ruining your minds with business school, managing the accounts of your failing small business, blaming its failing on truly inevitable things like taxes, rather than invented & false inevitabilities like inequality of income, you might have noticed that.
VvAnarchangelvV 1 year ago
WHERE THE FUCK IS GOLDSTEIN?
Komnenit 1 year ago
I thought this was someone reading the book aloud....
ABookwormAndProud 1 year ago
4:18 I love the pictures of a multiracial scouts.
zivjax 1 year ago
double plus good =-)
Math is Much More than Just Numbers .. 4 + 4 can Only equal 8 if you can bring them together .. .. in a non hazardous environment .. So with that said ,, 2 + 2 can be 5 but at the same time a 6 can look like a 9 and a 3 when you need a 2 can be 1 to many.
(-= 5stars friend =-)
oicub2 1 year ago
@oicub2 "How long is a piece of string?"
cultofmao 10 months ago
@ThatGuyWhoSucksBoobz What you have given is some incomplete, non-contextualized snippets in a YouTube comment that have not even included references - references that we fully examine and list in our series that includes a complete analysis of democratic socialism, to quote Orwell, "as I know it" and details of the informing he did for MI6 under the democratic socialist state of the British Labour Party, 1945-50, and his innate dislike for Jews, subcontinentals, and Blacks.
deadkennedys555 1 year ago
@ThatGuyWhoSucksBoobz We note that Orwell has been quoted either out of context or not in full in these discussions. This is similar to what happened to his work during the McCarthy era. However, there is more to Orwell than what initially meets the eye. We have included these arguments and quotes in the attached 35 part + series, 'Citizen Orwell: MI6?' We suggest you take a look for accurate views on Orwell, socialism and democratic socialism...
deadkennedys555 1 year ago
@ThatGuyWhoSucksBoobz And as for Right wing ideology being feared, what happens when it gangs up in the guise of National Socialism with Soviet Socialism over, say, Poland, which they divided?
deadkennedys555 1 year ago
@ThatGuyWhoSucksBoobz Yes funny how the Left claim him now after roundly criticizing him for both 'Animal Farm' and '1984' - both true expressions of his loathing for the Left he found late in his life with Britain still under rationing. The work is there, plain. In his own words. Sure he was a journalist working for the Labour Party but he was also a propagandist during the war which led him to finish writing '1984'. Just because you cling to socialism, don't brand him with it...
deadkennedys555 1 year ago
@deadkennedys555
Many on the far Left became leftists because of his writings, specifically "Homage to Catalonia." In the book, he even states his support for the anarchist socialist movement. You are grouping the libertarian socialists with the statist socialists (USSR). These are two distinct groups with Orwell a supporter of the former and most of the former supporters of Orwell. There would be no good reason for a libertarian socialist to criticize Orwell's writings.
WorldPeace4All6 1 year ago
@WorldPeace4All6 Orwell, as a confirmed social democrat (like the corporatist accuser of Assange, Anna Ardin), also sold out his Leftist mates as "crypto-communistist" to MI6. He also, like Ardin, hated Jews, Indians and Blacks...
OceanicIngsoc 1 year ago
@ThatGuyWhoSucksBoobz To show his disgust and fear of the Left by 1948, Orwell gifted Celia Paget, of the Labour Govt.'s Foreign Office's IRD, a list of "journlists and writers who in my opinion are crypto-Communists, fellow-travellers or inclined that way and should not be trusted as propagandists" (Orwell's words).ORWELL: WINTRY CONSCIENCE OF A GENERATION by Jeffrey Myers, Chapter 16, pages 295-297:
deadkennedys555 1 year ago
@Hmsheen10 This video answers your own question - later variants of socialism promoted 'unfreedoms' but kept the phraseology of these ealier movements from the 19th century. This is why the Stalinist soundtrack is used - a chief concern of Orwell's. Try new improved anarchy!
deadkennedys555 1 year ago
@Hmsheen10 It is Ingsoc - English Socialism - that rules Oceania, just like Neo-Bolshevism rules Eurasia and obliteration of the self rules East Asia...That is why the sound track is Stalinist - a chief theme of Orwell's...
deadkennedys555 1 year ago
As long as we are a profit-oriented, money driven society, nothing will change and there will always be social stratification. We need to move from the need for profit to the need for resources and clean energy. You can't buy or own resources or energy as they are for ALL humans on planet Earth. We need to abolish monetary-ism.
WJValente 1 year ago
@WJValente You mean the monetary system. It would not work because you forget people have motives and essentially NOT driven by good but by their basic motives, impulses and desires - we are animals and things like corporations, politics, religion all shape and divide people, provide the demands as well as supply them - if there was no monetary system, the government, who WOULD own resources, would limit resources in some way. Not to preserve it but to control it. Government = control.
votumseparatum1 1 year ago
@votumseparatum1 All resources would be declared as common heritage, yours and mine. If there wasn't enough of something, then you would have to pay for it, but if it can be dished out evenly, there is no problem. Research the Venus Project.
WJValente 1 year ago
@WJValente- They can make up bogus laws (like the Carbon tax which will be passed some time or later), create new beliefs systems through propaganda, and formulate the minds of the youth through schooling, certain programs and certain mediums like the media itself. Getting rid of money will not solve anything because humanity itself would need to be completely but indirectly controlled in almost every way for equality and for the monetary system to be abolished.
votumseparatum1 1 year ago
@votumseparatum1 This is simply not true. You are correct that a new set of values would have to be established, but money controls everything and therefore if there was no money the elite would have no control. Research the Venus Project.
WJValente 1 year ago
Your comment, despite not being that repetitive, is far more annoying... ;)
levogiro 2 years ago
Say that after you've tried to watch all the videos in this series.
Fetchdafish 2 years ago
I've watched the entire video series...
levogiro 1 year ago
Hey... how could i contribute captioning this in spanish?
levogiro 2 years ago 5
@levogiro ´Search in google: "TEORIA Y PRACTICA DEL COLECTIVISMO OLIGÁRQUICO - EMMANUEL GOLDSTEIN" and then you make a video like this, but with spanish subtitles or with spanish language.
MGGoblin 10 months ago
@MGGoblin
What a meant is that I would be pleased to caption this one... I have no trouble undestanding the english spoken here. Maybe sometimes I write english like crap... but translating in the sense english-spanish doesn't imply writing in english... and my understanding of english is complete.
levogiro 10 months ago
@levogiro Me to. I'm from Argentina. =)
MGGoblin 10 months ago
Goldstein released an audio book?
McGruff5150 2 years ago 38
This is what will happen if Obama gets his reform passed in the Senate. He is coming after you folks. Obama knows all about it. The poor people have not a clue. Obama plans to be the dictator of the whole world just like in 1984. Now is the time to stop him cold.
fedupwithdoublethink 2 years ago
Its the soviet hymn...
levogiro 2 years ago
The Complete Patriot's Guide to Oligarchical Collectivism: its Theory and Practice states there are four types of people, idiots, zealots, elitists and patriots.
harlequin96145 2 years ago
Super Ego
Ego
Id
Mind Control is control - watch Alex Jones
Adam Curtis, 911 wtc brought down by explosives - watch the footage if you can
k9thru12 2 years ago
It's the old Soviet anthem.
pendorran 2 years ago
it is ocieanias athem
whhyyyyyyyyyy 3 years ago
no it isn't.
grindstone1 2 years ago
when i read goldsteins book in 1984 i was like what an awsem insight orwell has it is as it is said you read what you already know
whhyyyyyyyyyy 3 years ago
Hi OceanicIngsoc, Great video, Goldstein's book is a brilliant piece of coded writing against government's who use propaganda and blatantly lie, I hope you don't mind if I steal the audio to make my own version.
TashkentFox 3 years ago
its not coded its obvious
whhyyyyyyyyyy 2 years ago