Prof Gil Seralini Runs Monsanto's numbers, liver/kidney damage from GMOs

[bedlymite]

You raise a lot of important points. An economic analysis is very complex, so I won't comment. I challenge you to find 3 known benefits of GMO. I will then post 3 serious drawbacks. As for nuclear power, the damage caused by fossil fuels is orders of magnitude greater if measured in deaths per terawatt-hours produced. Please critique both points.

Also, do you have a public presence? Attend conferences, etc. You seem very passionate.

[BullhornJournal]

@bedlymite GMOs in the medical field hold great promise, clearly. As far as agricultural benefits that have accrued to the whole of humanity, rather than to the very top chemical corporations and large farming corporations, and defining a GMO as it is defined by the United Nations (built in a laboratory using the techniques of biotechnology) I can't come up with any, unless you want to argue over the Papaya in Hawaii (where at least I can see both sides of the argument).

[BullhornJournal]

@bedlymite Please look into the IAASTD for economic analysis. It is a 2008 report done by the World Bank, World Health Organization, and the UN at the behest of Monsanto and Syngenta. I don't recall the exact numbers but the report quite clearly states that 95 percent of the world's farmers (over 60 percent women) derive no benefit from GMOs. It's enough for me to see that in every single country where they have been introduced (ex. communist) hunger, poverty and unemployment have increased.

[BullhornJournal]

@bedlymite only a local conference here and there. I am passionate, obviously! For me the patenting of genetic material is the natural end to the quantifying (and profit seeking from) of every single thing on earth by faceless, timeless, boundless corporate entities. It is the end of science done for the love of nature and human good. The drive to patent has sullied the nature of research at public universities, and on and on. google "scientific American gmo research" head: Do Seed Companies...

[BullhornJournal]

@bedlymite the fossil fuel system is very bad. Your argument seems to be that Nuclear is the alternative because it is less bad. Real world alternatives are problematic at best. Wind and solar backed by massive, MASSIVE, damn projects (to solve the storage problem)? We should have followed Tesla's advice and developed thermal energy systems, relying on the Earth's heat, from the beginning. Nuclear puts us further into the technology and concentration of power trap. an aargh issue, indeed.

[bedlymite]

@BullhornJournal Nuclear kills. But aging is the biggest risk factor for death and no one seems to care about fixing that (I do). So I have different priorities. I will read the summary of the report. I will not offer to list drawbacks but instead will research them more carefully.

[BullhornJournal]

@bedlymite Aging! fascinating subject. Telomeres? You've certainly picked my interest.

[myndy86]

There will be protests throughout the U.S. on 3/26/11 regarding genetic engineering/modification.

Go to "Rally for the Right to Know" on facebook, for more information.

Go to the "organicconsumers" website to sign petitions.

[bedlymite]

Really well put together video except for one part: you didn't read his paper. There were only ten rats in the study and with that many rats, the study lacks statistical power. This is evidence, sure, but not enough to become angry at "the government". But perhaps some anger is warranted against mansanto, but not from this analysis.

[BubbaBrazille]

@bedlymite He's done many studies and published many articles in peer reviewed journals. Certainly there is a very strong push to discredit his work by corporate backed scientists, please reconsider your commitment to the propagation of Monsanto's talking points. Please see my movie, which goes into depth about the economic damage and starvation wrought by patenting of genetic material, before picking sides against Seralini. search for "genetic chile".

[BubbaBrazille]

@bedlymite He's done many studies and published many articles in peer reviewed journals. Certainly there is a very strong push to discredit his work by corporate backed scientists, please reconsider your commitment to the propagation of Monsanto's talking points. Please see my movie, which goes into depth about the economic damage and starvation wrought by patenting of genetic material, before picking sides against Seralini. search for "genetic chile".

[bedlymite]

@BubbaBrazille

You are right. Corporations do a lot of bad things that need to be regulated. But that comment doesn't address the paper. As for GMO being dangerous, be sure to measure actual risks versus actual rewards. Actual being **known** economic damage (not extrapolated or inferred).

Does your concern come from GMO's being not natural or actually (shown) dangerous? How many people have died due to GMO? As for expense, yes, it is, but still cheaper than the old way. Sustainable? no.

[BullhornJournal]

@bedlymite Your comment fails to understand that Seralini has done many studies. The most important were analysis of the numbers provided by Monsanto of their own tests (it took three years and myriad of lawsuits to get the numbers). Economic damage is well established. The IAASTD (World Bank, WHO and UN) says so very directly, that 95 percent of farmers have seen no benefit and that the benefits overwhelmingly accrue to the top agrochemical corporations.

[BullhornJournal]

@bedlymite Suzuki's quote (I paraphrase from memory): "Any scientists that tells you that GMOs are safe and not to worry about it is either lying to you or is totally ignorant of the history of science." As such, I am defending science by trying to point out that the pursuit of knowledge can only be sullied and eventually seriously damaged by an alliance with profit seeking multi-nationals. We already see this in the fantastically stupid movements against vaccines and global warming denial.

[BullhornJournal]

@bedlymite take nuclear energy. It should be safe, I assume you take the company line, right? All the numbers add up. Heck, it could save the world, right? In the laboratory setting nuclear energy looks like the long term solution to our energy problems, correct? Yeah. Until you let it loose into the chaotic, natural world where mother nature and the machinations of greed and pride push all the science aside and create Fukushima.

[BullhornJournal]

@bedlymite The studies that seek to independently look into the health effects of GMOs are limited severely by laws that prevent the use of patented seeds in independent studies, lack of funding, etc... I can't help but wonder why scientists who take the corporate cash aren't clamoring to fund an independent, long term study (never been done on a glyphosate system) to prove that the unprecedented technology they've let loose is safe. Anger at the corporate controlled government is warranted.

[bedlymite]

@BullhornJournal

That is a very important piece of info. Thank you. I am going to put this info. to use. My sister used to work for a biotech firm, ricetech, near houston, tx. So I am going to call her and see what she says. However, there is one major flaw that I can see still. An unknown risk isn't quantifiable. You appear to believe any change to nature that is "unnatural" carries an unreasonably high risk because it isn't known what will happen. Is that correct?

[BullhornJournal]

@bedlymite Ah, the thesis of my next film... That is, why does everything have to be quantified and commoditized before it can be evaluated. When we are dealing with potential systemic effects, effects that may accrue globally and unremittingly, why can't caution be the order of the day rather than a wholesale belief in the efficacy of private, for-profit corporations? What happened to the Cautionary Principal?

[BullhornJournal]

@bedlymite Unnatural changes in nature are many. I fear only those that are uncontrollable and irretrievable (Seralini says, 'we can't know' if GMOs are safe because they have never been tested as one would test a drug). Scientists will tell you that gene's don't migrate. Utter hogwash. But they see the chaotic world through the glass on the laboratory door. They test one thing at a time. Nature does a billion, trillion migrations each second. Into this mix Monsanto wants to place a kill gene...

[BullhornJournal]

@bedlymite Some farmers in Texas just won a lawsuit against Bayer for GMO rice contamination crushing export values. Is your sister a scientist who actually works on the rice? I believe the vast majority of scientists and engineers would much rather be doing work that is important to humanity than making money for corporations. But how to make a living, right? The moment that patents are no longer given to genes, we'll see an end to the 'good works' being done by Monsanto, et al.

[Hawruss]

The French Have Balls!!! Bigger ones than us!!!

[gavgams]

Good stuff, thanks.

Here in Victoria, Australia, we have GM canola (Monsanto's Round up ready) nearby. Greenpeace found the DNA from the pollen was in the honey.

[VictorianGentlmn]

We want to try people for "Crimes Against Humanity" ? Well what could be a greater crime than doing this to the world for bigger profits. It will soon be found that pro-GMO scientist are cooking the books just like the "global warming" scientist are. The "global warming" big gov't-corp supporter wanted to take our money. Now the "global GMO" big gov't-corp will risk our very future for controland profit. Sad. Thank you for posting this.

[BakersBoyz]

Thanks for sharing ...

[rvlqcitizen]

5* and subbed. Will pass this on. Thank you.

[TheSpartacat]

Fantastic video! Really important stuff. Thank you so much for sharing it, will share it around...

[BullhornJournal]

please do! and thank you.

[TheSpartacat]

Am just responding with my monsanto vids... hopefully it'll help you climb the "most responded" youtube lists- help it get more views.