Modern Democrats just laugh at their constituents who still vote for them even though Democrats are still slavers, they just enslave people to Welfare and food stamps now instead of using whips and chains. Either way, They still get their Cotton and Tobacco (Votes and Contributions from Unions) They don't even try to hide it now, with Black Democrat Politicians just acting as Quisling Overseers under their White masters. Twisted and Evil
It's sad that you alleged Black people are completely sold, lock, stock and barrel to the democratic misinformation machine. Martin Luther King SR and JR were both life long republicans. Why? Because the Republican party was / is the party of fairness and was for the abolition of slavery from the very beginning. It was the democrats that were against civil rights, jailed King, wire tapped king and ultimately killed him. Blacks back then would be appalled at you all being democrat.
MLK Sr was republican NOT King Jr and his father switched over to democrat after Kennedy got his son out of prison in the 1960 election.Both King Jr and father endorsed John F. Kennedy for President in the 1960 election King's father also endorsed Jimmy Carter in the 1976 election
MLK JR never belonged to any political party but today's Right Wing idiots keep telling this propaganda lie
""The Republican Party geared its appeal and program to racism, reaction, and extremism. All people of goodwill viewed with alarm and concern the frenzied wedding at the Cow Palace of the KKK with the radical right. The "best man" at this ceremony was a senator whose voting record, philosophy, and program were anathema to all the hard-won achievements of the past decade." MLK 1964
Uhhh, did I miss something or was there a major theological shift between the 2 major parties in the mid sixties that centered around Civil Rights? To make this perfectly clear, the "democrats" you speak of are now republicans. They used to be called Dixie-Crats. That doesn't mean that MLK, or my grandfather for that matter, were part of what would be recognized as the modern Republican party. To leave that out is an attempt at lying by omission.
@djbennyblack not Theological, Idealogical under the premise of theology (The whole black people come from Cain argument that supported slavery by the political party that is now called the Republican party).
@djbennyblack completely and utterly false. the dixiecrats did NOT move to the republican party. the only thing that happened is that the democratic party shifted in its marketing and tactics. they felt that republican were getting a pass by Black who ALL were republican back then, so they, via political maneuvers sought to get the Black vote. and now, they again take them for granted. Democrats have always and will always be ANTI-BLACK. they SAY republicans are racist, false.
@shakaama What kind of delusional babble is this? They most certainly did shift parties, and my grandfather is one of those black former Republicans. Strom Thurman, for example, switched parties in 1964, with thousands of other Dixie-crats. I have no clue where you are from, but your grasp on history is extremely loose. Governor George Wallace was a major force in getting people to switch parties.
@djbennyblack Modern Democrats just laugh at their constituents who still vote for them even though Democrats are still slavers, they just enslave people to Welfare and food stamps now instead of using whips and chains. Either way, They still get their Cotton and Tobacco (Votes and Contributions from Unions) They don't even try to hide it now, with Black Democrat Politicians just acting as Quisling Overseers under their White masters. Twisted and Evil
@WisePatman Again, the majority of people on food stamps and welfare are white, followed by hispanics, followed by black people. So...if Democrats are enslaving anyone visa vi these programs, it would be white people. Not true, but if it were, that's how it would work. Funny how you try to say that black people are brainwashed by democrats but you keep spouting unproven, baseless republican talking points...interesting.
@djbennyblack Ah poor uneducated inexperienced one, Blacks comprise only 12 percent of the nation, but, according to the Government, they comprise 37 percent of the welfare rolls. As with most things that require a little understanding, More Whites are destroyed by welfare but more Black families PER CAPITA are destroyed by it. It is evil and bad and I decry the harm it causes to everyone. You accused me of "veiled racism" It makes me laugh, Because I am willing to discuss race I am a Racist?
@WisePatman Not veiled racism, but I am somehow "poor" "uneducated" and "inexperienced"? Ok, no so veiled then... Anyway, first of all, you are quoting a statistic from 20 years ago. Black people over the last decade have accounted for less than 18 percent of the total welfare rolls (as of 2010). White people still make up more than 60 percent of welfare recipients, even though they are slipping in the overall population, increasing their PER CAPITA exposure to the program...
@WisePatman So...to recap, numbers of black people on welfare over the last decade, going down, the number of white people, going up. Again, not a black issue. Your willingness to discuss race doesn't make you racist. Your ignorant rants make you ignorant and the bi-product of ignorance in terms of race is racism.
@djbennyblack Of all the things people who know me call me, Ignorant is not one of them. I am not ignorant simply because you disagree with my positions. Neither are you. To me Racism is simple, People HATE others because of their race. I hate no one, I believe there is no us and them, only us. I resolutely refuse to group people in the cause of looking down on them. I love my neighbor, you are my neighbor, I love you. As for welfare, Black or White or Brown, it destroys those it touches.
@WisePatman Lol, well, people tend to associate themselves with like minded people, so of course I get that people around you, who are like you, wouldn't recognize the blatant lack of information that leads you to your beliefs is ignorance. That's kind of a part of ignorance. And to clarify, that's not an arbitrary statement. You defined ALL democrats as dixiecrats, when that isn't the case at all. There have also been several other factual faux pas from you that wreak of ignorance.
@shakaama Furthermore, as for the Democrat party being anti-black, uhhh....lok at the White House. The first credible black presidential candidate (in 1988) was what? Democrat. The first KKK gran wizard to become a serious politician, David Duke, was a Republican. Democrats not only sought to get the "black vote" they created the idea of the "black vote" via the voter's rights act. What caused the shift was influential northern Democrats seeing a much bigger picture than the dixiecrats
@shakaama One more thing-look at the GOP's current platform. Smaller, less powerful fed govt, against social programs, etc.-all influenced directly by Gov. George Wallace (king of segregation). And, for the record, the most detrimental public policies for black people have come from Republicans. Racial profiling is not something Democrats tend to be in favor of, nor is opposition of affirmative action.
@djbennyblack Boy those "Social Programs" have really helped Black Society haven't they? What you call "Detrimental" is the removing of policies which help keep poor Blacks Poor. Think beyond your own welfare check.
@WisePatman I was waiting for the veiled racist comment to come, congrats... See, things like making welfare a black issue when black people represent the smallest group of welfare recipients is why most of us don't vote Republican. Furthermore, welfare is not a bi-product of the civil rights movement, it dates back to the Plymouth colony. as for social programs that worked, follow your party line. You cant call Obama an affirmative action president AND say a.a. doesnt' work...
@djbennyblack Taking care of each other. . GOOD! (Like Plymouth) Having the Government do it?. . BAD!
The surest way to spot a Racist is when he accuses others of racism. I am NOT a Republican. Yes Affirmative action works, it does LOTS of bad things, Like Obama in the white house for instance, not because of the color of his skin, but because the content of (or lack of) his character. When I said "Your own welfare check" I was not talking about you, just those who get them, of any color.
@WisePatman In Plymouth, welfare was a town mandate, instituted by the local GOVERNMENT. You HAD to take care of each other. It was a founding principle of the country. Forced or unforced. affirmative Action does bad things like put Obama in the White House? Actually, as I said, that is your party line (not a repub, but you are taking their side in this debate, hmmm) but it isn't true. Obama got where he got by his accomplishments, not because of things given to him...
@djbennyblack Believe it or not, Denying a problem in society by using "lies, damn lies, and statistics" (Mark Twain) does not solve it! I recently spent 7 years in Federal Prison and my heart continues to ache for all my friends there whose families are broken because of "Government Programs" i.e. War on Drugs, Welfare, WIC, Section 8, etc. etc ALL of which are targeted at keeping poor people poor and the prisons full. The evidence is there
@WisePatman Oh, so you're white, spent time in prison, and now you have all the answers...I've met enough people like you to know where to end this conversation. Affirmative action didn't put you where you are, social programs didn't put you there, you and your poor choices and inability to to deal with them did. You are more Republican than you realize...nice talking to ya, but this isn't going anywhere. The Feds didn't fix you and neither will I.
@djbennyblack I am actually not white, But I didn't think it was important. I surely do not have all the answers. You pre-judge me based on a very few facts, this makes me sad because, as I said before, I think you are a good guy. We probably agree on more than we disagree, but you would throw it all away. I took responsibility for my admittedly poor choices, Amazing ability to "Deal with them" the Feds couldn't "fix" me, they couldn't fix a flat tire. But you might have a chance! :)
@WisePatman "I'm actually not white" "..didn't think it was important" To recap, you have taken the angry white male, right wing Republican stance, and yet you are none of these things...and you aren't ignorant...well then you're an anomaly, congrats. And for the record, I never prejudged, I reacted to your smarmy comments in kind. Remember, I'm "poor, uneducated and inexperienced", but I should be polite when insulted...more sighs
@djbennyblack Touche', I should be more circumspect in my judgments of you. Sorry about that. I should also tone down the smarmy factor as well. I will attempt in the future to not give you reason to sigh so much.
@WisePatman For the record, the war on drugs wasn't part of Civil Rights legislation, it came from a republican. Nixon and Reagan's policy's both inflated the war on drugs, started by Teddy Roosevelt to get rid of Mexicans. WIC, cam after, Section 8 is a product of the great depression (1937) not civil rights, and as we have established, welfare far predates civil rights (it existed during slavery for crying out loud).
@djbennyblack True enough, I don't think you see that I don't care so much about Dems vs Repubs as I do about good policy vs idiot policy. That is why I have not been a member of any political party since the 80's. Welfare should be provided by someone other than the Government because the Government uses it for political power on both sides. From the early 1700's through the 1920's (200 years!) People in the United States took care of each other through churches and charities. The Govt took it.
@WisePatman ". From the early 1700's through the 1920's (200 years!) People in the United States took care of each other through churches and charities. The Govt took it." Nobody gave a crap about black people back then, and the average person was much worse off too. Way to romantacize something untrue.
@djbennyblack "Racial profiling is not something Democrats tend to be in favor of," Riiight! It is always The Dems who point out race! And Affirmative action!?! Dr King did not say: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character." UNLESS A JOB IS INVOLVED!
@WisePatman You miss the big picture. Democrats oppose racial profiling (a product of Jim Crowe) and Republicans support it. Both sides are taking a racially based viewpoint. One is favorable to black people, the other not so much. And for the record, Dr. King was in favor of affirmative action as an alternative to reparations. Read a little and then try to debate. Otherwise, you're just talking out of your ass.
@djbennyblack Believe me I see lots of the big picture, I know this by the realization of how much of it I miss. As for Racial Profiling, Dems call it Afirmative action and use it to "Help" Repubs use it to harm. Generally speaking of course. All Jim Crow laws were written by Democrats who have now flipped the script to say they are helping. I know too many good men who have not been helped. It is insidious to flash a "solution" which is not one, so that you don't have to actually provide one.
@djbennyblack Why so mean? I only became a little wiser because of the joint. The name WisePatman is a bit of a joke, although I have been married for 25 years, raised 5 children, all productive adults, and I have started 15 successful businesses (and a few other not so successful ones!) . Other than that, yes I don't know or do anything. . .
@WisePatman Sigh.... this is the internet. Who/whatever you say you are is as true as you say it is... You started businesses, raised kids, and just got out of the pen? You said people need to be judged by their actions. I have judged you by your purported actions and by your statements, I don't know you personally and my opinions here are based on what you have said here. Not being mean, applying the same judgement you have to others, just applied it to you.
@WisePatman Racial Profiling and Affirmative Action are the same? And I was wrong to assume your ignorance...good lord. Affirmative Action provides the individual with less opportunity (ie lack of white privilege) an opportunity to succeed based on their own merit so long as they are qualified to perform a job. Racial profiling assumes potential guilt based solely on race an aesthetics. And DIXIECRATS not all Democrats wrote Jim Crowe laws. They didn't exist north of the MD line.
@djbennyblack Racial profiling and Affirmative action both have, at their core, decisions about what will happen to someone based solely on their race. I do not believe in making judgments based on that criteria whether they be "good" or "bad" because some imperfect human is deciding goodness and badness. Both racial profiling and affirmative action can be and are abused by those administrating them. Why can't we just judge based on appropriateness for the job?
@shakaama "the dixiecrats did NOT move to the republican party" Yes they did. How is did states that were DEM for decades all of a sudden become Republican? How stupid/ misinformed are you?
@daswann14 oh grand pooba please tell me which of these states that were democrats suddenly change to republican? ooooh, none? Yeah, try again. thanks for playing.
@shakaama "oh grand pooba please tell me which of these states that were democrats suddenly change to republican? ooooh, none? Yeah, try again. thanks for playing." Lol idiot. Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina, North Carolina, Florida, Georgia. Tennessee, Arkansas, Louisiana, Texas, Oklahaoma, and Kentucky. What the fuck are you talking about moron.
@daswann14 interesting that you have no clue what you're talking about. the republican party was for abolition. when the 13th amendment was signed, Lincoln then sent in troops to assist blacks in asserting their constitutional rights. AND GUESS WHAT PARTY THEY WENT TO? Republican. So there was no switch, there was an influx of republicans. the democrats did not switch. New republicans came in the 60s. Democrats voted against the 64 civil rights act. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.
@shakaama Interesting how fucking stupid uniformed and unnuanced you are. Yes the GOP led by Lincoln was ahead in abolition; and from then until 1930 black people voted overwhelmingly for the GOP. Then the tables turned; FDR did many things that helped black people and by 1960 the parties had reallinged along civil rights; the DEMs were pro and since 1936 have recieved at least 70% of the black vote in every election.
@daswann14 Modern Democrats just laugh at their constituents who still vote for them even though Democrats are still slavers, they just enslave people to Welfare and food stamps now instead of using whips and chains. Either way, They still get their Cotton and Tobacco (Votes and Contributions from Unions) They don't even try to hide it now, with Black Democrat Politicians just acting as Quisling Overseers under their White masters. Twisted and Evil
@daswann14 -I can understand what your saying today's Right Wing Cons think if they keep telling the same lie that its gonna come true.Conservatives try to blame today's liberals for what southern democrats did 60 years ago when Southern Dems were Conservatives themselves
The racist South has always been run by Conservatives regardless of party
@ExposingUncleToms I feel you. I don't know what kind of warped world people have to live in to believe that Bull Conner, George Wallace, and Strom Thurmond were not massively conservative.
@shakaama -You're a retarded idiot your saying the South never switched over to republican when today 90% of White Voters are Republican and today's Southern Republican Party defends Confederate Flag
@ExposingUncleToms you in particular have no opinion that is worthwhile, you don't know anything about history, facts, nor reality. for you to call yourself black is even laughable. you're probably some white guy that likes to spread hate amongst black people.
@djbennyblack You missed something. Dixie-Crats have just changed tactics. here are the actual numbers for the 1964 Civil Rights act vote: HOUSE: For: Against: Democrats: 153 91 Republicans: 136 35 Percentage of Democrats favoring the Civil Rights Bill: 63% Percentage of Republicans favoring Civil Rights Bill: 80% Senate: For: Against: Democrats: 46 21 Republicans: 27 6 Percentage of Democrats favoring the Civil Rights Bill: 69% Percentage of Republicans favoring Civil Rights Bill: 82%
Modern Democrats just laugh at their constituents who still vote for them even though Democrats are still slavers, they just enslave people to Welfare and food stamps now instead of using whips and chains. Either way, They still get their Cotton and Tobacco (Votes and Contributions from Unions) They don't even try to hide it now, with Black Democrat Politicians just acting as Quisling Overseers under their White masters. Twisted and Evil
@WisePatman Only 8 southern Democrat OR republicans voted for this bill in and the House or Senate...that means all of the DIXIECRATS except 7 voted against the act... You are right, dixiecrats changed tactics, they joined the GOP.
Martin Luther King, Jr. wrote in his autobiography:
"The Republican Party geared its appeal and program to racism, reaction, and extremism."
That was his description of the 1964 Republican National Convention. He also referred to the Republican convention as "the frenzied wedding at the Cow Palace of the KKK with the radical right."
@BeulahLips This statement is ridiculous. Kennedy contributed more to the Civil Rights Movement than MLK even! His initial opposition to the 1957 Civil Rights Act was to win voters in the South, which was still largely segregated.
And Kennedy did not oppose the March on Washington. He initially expressed concern that the march might draw negative attention towards Congress, which was considering a civil rights bill, but went on to endorse it. Do your homework. Kennedy was a civil rights leader.
@SARDU1976 Woah, Kennedy contributed more to the movement than MLK? Really? Kennedy didn't oppose the march on Washington and yet one of the key pieces in the MLK memorial is the letter he wrote to MLK asking him NOT to march due to political reasons. JFK would have never been involved AT ALL if not for the SCLCC reaching out so proactively to his brother Bobby, who convinced JFK that there was political capital in supporting civil rights (more voters=more votes)
@BeulahLips And yes, Johnson was a raging racist. But again, racism doesn't equal prejudice. Just because a person refers to a black person as a "nigger" shows that they are racist, but it doesn't necessarily mean that they bear any ill will towards people of that ethnicity.
Martin Luther King, Jr. severed any ties he had with the Republican Party during the Civil Rights Movement. His father was a lifelong Republican but that was before blacks nationwide started to shift to Democratic Party under Franklin D. Roosevelt's administration, arguably the first fiscally moderate and socially liberal Democratic President we had and the first Democratic President to show any empathy for the black man.
@BeulahLips Roosevelt and Truman rejected "anti-lynching laws" largely because lynching already fell under murder and murder was a capital crime in many states. Also, lynch mobs didn't just target black people. As a matter of fact, more white people were lynched than black people.
Furthermore, just because a person is racist doesn't mean they are prejudice. Truman, while an anti-semite and overall what I would call racist, did consider people of all ethnicities equal human beings.
@SARDU1976 " just because a person is racist doesn't mean they are prejudice."
In what world?!? Racism is the most extreme form OF prejudice. I guess I'll file that one under : Just because you say it does not make it so. Oh, by the way, both MLK Sr. and Jr. were indeed registered Republicans. Facts are stubborn things.
@WisePatman ""The Republican Party geared its appeal and program to racism, reaction, and extremism. All people of goodwill viewed with alarm and concern the frenzied wedding at the Cow Palace of the KKK with the radical right. The "best man" at this ceremony was a senator whose voting record, philosophy, and program were anathema to all the hard-won achievements of the past decade." MLK 1964
MLK JR was not a republican, his father was. Who did King endorse in 64?
He was a republican. He was against the Vietnam war because of his pacifist beleifs. MLKjr was and still is my childhood hero. He would be ashamed of affirmitive action and of Barack Obama and Eric holder. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
@Armyweak: MLK, Jr. was a liberal socialist! If he still managed to be a Republican, while being a liberal socialist, well, more than likely there just is something fucked up about you! (Your political & historical revisionism, etc.)
Show me a copy of his voter registration card! ...make a video where you show, plainly, under normal light condition's, etc., the card itself, so that it can be read by anyone who watches the video.
It's really that simple! Or just GTFO the internet!!
@MrArmystrong85-Today's White Power Rednecks keep telling this lie that Martin Luther King was Republican you must be brainwashed by Glenn Beck Propaganda.
MARTIN LUTHER KING'S VIEWS WERE LIBERAL
1.He was Anti-War
2.He was Anti-Guns
3.He supported the Liberal Naacp
4.He supported Social Justice
5.He supported Affirmative Action
6.He supported Unions
Martin Luther King was Liberal just like his Wife Coretta Scott King and all their kids are also Liberal.Dr King's Sons are Liberal
@ExposingUncleToms ok Im not here to antagonize you. Im open to your opinion and beleifs. Can you show me your sources so that I may verify them for myself?
@ExposingUncleToms If they were White power Rednecks, why would they want MLK to be in their party? They would hate him because he was Black, or didn't you notice?
@WisePatman B/c copting Dr. King's message is something conservatives try to use for political gain. MLK has been defied in a way that makes it impossible to call him a radical socialist racebaiting nigger like conservatives used to, so they co-opt him and make people like you think he was on their side.
@WisePatman -Today's White Power Cons are trying to exploit Dr.King's legacy and you already know this for hate mongering bigots like Glenn Beck to try to claim Dr.king's legacy is just laughable
@ExposingUncleToms It's so sad we have to explain stuff like this to these idiots; who if they simply took 15 minutes to look up the topic could find out the facts for themselves. Instead they love their bubble of ignorance and hate.
The glory of Christ has nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not his mother was a virgin, God's perfect grace doesn't depend on blindly believing every word of the bible. Why believe? I don't need a reason to, I just do, I just trust God. I love Jesus because He loved me. I don't expect anything in return.
Well, if its important to you, knock yourself out. The greatness and importance of Christ are in what he taught and did, not in whether or not his mother met manmade standards of "purity", or this silly game of matching "prophets". Disagreeing with you on a minor point doesn't make one "ignorant" and when it comes to this, I'm not. And Jefferson was a Christian.
@feldman30012 The glory of Christ has nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not his mother was a virgin, God's perfect grace doesn't depend on blindly believing every word of the bible. Why believe? I don't need a reason to, I just do, I just trust God. I love Jesus because He loved me. I don't expect anything in return.
I hope you're kidding. Read Lev? Where we're told to stone our children to death and the "sin" of double-crop soybeans, eating shrimp, and wearing rayon? The nature of when life begins is one individuals have to make, not forced by government, and God's real law (which aint in lev.) says treat others with love. God doesn't punish, God forgives.
@TheSpitfire1969 It doesn't "educate" it's a pack of lies. This line of bull, claiming Democrats are "racist" is based in the work of an "Historian" named David Barton who has ZERO credibility as a professional historian. They point out that most blacks were Republicans 50 years ago, ignoring that over 90% now vote DEMOCRATIC. The claim that today's GOP "Champions civil rights" is assinine. Posting a picture of a MODERN Sen. Byrd in KKK garb is an intentional LIE, he left the Klan in the 50s.
@TheSpitfire1969 They say it's BAD to increase minimum wages, which Dr. King would have been OUTRAGED by, King called for a MAJOR increase in wages. The claim there's been no impact on poverty by helping the needy is idiocy. There is NOTHING "diabolical" about the TRUTH that Republicans are to blame for the condition of our cities. Calling black votes for Dems a "plantation" is a deeply racist slur. Calling democratic policies "Socialism" is a pathetic LIE, and ignores that King WAS a Socialist.
@TheSpitfire1969 The claim that Republican policies of greed are really about "hard work" implies that blacks are poor because they don't work hard, a vile and insulting lie. Saying they're for "education" is insanity, the GOP has CUT Education funding constantly. They use the President's middle name to imply he is a Muslim, which even the attack dogs of the RNC said was racist and wrong. To say King wouldn't have voted for Obama to claim he'd have voted GOP is idiocy. King would NOT vote GOP.
This is just a common propagandist attempt to confuse people into believing conservatism is not the home of white racists. It's a known fact that Republican was originally the liberal party in America until the mid 20th century. The gradual transition started with FDR's "New Deal" policies and culminated with the Civil Rights era (60's). Most white racists by then moved from Democrat to Republican. And that's still the case today.The one relevant constant is:RACISTS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN CONSERVATIVE
During the height of the Civil Rights movement MLK had Pres. Kennedy and Atty Gen Robert Kennedy 's phone number and they had to impose Martial Law and literally send the National Guard to rescue King and congregants of a black church hosting Freedom Riders in 1961 from being incinerated by the racists outside. A fact that doesn't fit in with the propaganda here, Another omission is that had Republican Barry Goldwater won in 1964, the Civil Rights Act would not have passed. He was against it.
As a black person I find it an insult to my intelligence that the last half century is being grossly misrepresented. Conveniently omitted is that by the 60's, northern liberals had seized control of the Democratic party. Betrayed, most southern racist Democrats (Dixiecrats like Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms) jumped to the Republicans who were happy to increase their numbers. Dem. Pres Johnson signed the historic Civil Rights Act (1964) & Voting Rights Act (1965).GOP candidate Goldwater opposed
Outright blasphemy. MILLIONS of Christians are pro-choice, all should be, it is not Christian to deny women right to decide when and if she carries a pregnancy. And even more despicable is the hateful lie that discrimination against gays is Christian, it is NOT. Being a Christian is NOT follow the OT Jesus makes this very clear. You're no Christian using the Bible as a weapon of hate.
you are a part of feel good christianity which is not about judement or right living but about what feels good. Xtianity is not about love only but abotu righteous living and holy living. You have a lot to learn.
MLK in 1964 after segregationist Barry Goldwater won the GOP nomination:
"The Republican Party geared its appeal and program to racism, reaction, and extremism. All people of goodwill viewed with alarm and concern the frenzied wedding at the Cow Palace of the KKK with the radical right. The "best man" at this ceremony was a senator whose voting record, philosophy, and program were anathema to all the hard-won achievements of the past decade."
I'm not sure if I should laugh hysterically or flip a table with rage. This is THAT absurd. Not all conservatives are uneducated racists (and seemingly proud of it), but all uneducated racists seem to be conservatives (and proud of it)...
What a vomitous pack of LIES!!!! You claim this is "truth" with a photoshop phony picture implying Byrd was still KKK over fifty years after he left? You blame Dems for stopping one minimum wage hike as the GOP keeps wages low and busts unions? Post the racist lie that anti-poverty programs are bad for blacks?
@PrisonerNumber9653 MARTIN WOULD NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA. YOU ARE MORE INTO RACE THAN TRUTH. MLK WAS PRO LIFE AND DIDNT WANT SOMEONE JUDGED BASED ON SKIN COLOR.
@kmcl11 Despicable lies. He was absolutely NOT anti-choice, and favored aggressive affirmative action. You haven't a clue what you're talking about, and the racist lie of taking one line out of context and claiming he opposed all moves towards equality and justice is malarky. He may not have voted for Obama--he may have voted for Cynthia McKinney. Never in a million years would MLK support today's far right GOP.
@kmcl11 No, jackass, I do NOT need an "education", which in your perverse world means "believing the racist lies of the far right". The CLAIM that he was anti-choice was CREATED OUT OF THIN AIR by his niece, who has a list of DOCUMENTED lies as long as my arm (and I am very tall, I have LONNNGGGG arms)
I've read his writings, unlike you. I've read his speeches, unlike you. It is OBVIOUS that he'd be pro-choice. King was a friend of Planned Parenthood, and admired Margaret Sanger.
@PrisonerNumber9653 KING STATES AMERICA NEEDED A SOCIALIST LIKE SYSTEM...SO YOU ARE SEMI CORRECT ABOUT THE HEALTHCARE THING. IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT HE BELIEVED ..HE IS DEAD.
@kmcl11 Well, first off, this is as close to an admission of bald-faced lying I've ever seen from the King bashers, so you get a little bit of respect for that.
Secondly, that's like saying who cares what our founders thought, or what Jesus thought, or what Plato thought. King was one of the greatest people our nation ever produced, what he thought is massively important and influential, and deserves to have the TRUTH told about it.
@PrisonerNumber9653 I wrote that to lash out at someone telling me what king belived without proof. As for jesus, don;t believe in him. I use the bible though to challenge so-called christians.
@kmcl11 Well, given that you aimed it at me, I'd say that NOTHING I've said is "without proof", it IS what King believed, based ENTIRELY on his writings and words, and I am NOT a "so-called Christian", I am a Christian.
@PrisonerNumber9653 No. You are a socalled christian. None of what you say is christian like. And yes you are pro abortion. And so what? Its seems like you cannot deal with that. Gods love is also aboutnot taking and spilling th blood of innocent life. You are kidding yourself if you think you can be for the act of abortion and still be christian..I bet you think gays should marry also. Why not. Its about love..lol And yes xitanity is based on the OT wehre one still must follow the commandment
@kmcl11 And, by the way, his WIFE confirmed on a NUMBER of occasions that Dr. King was pro-choice. Not a niece with a record of perverting and lying about his believes. His wife.
Martin Luther King believed in equality, he believed in access to health care, he was absolutely pro-choice.
@PrisonerNumber9653 LISTEN FOOL, FIND ME THE QUOTE OF THIS CHRISTIAN MAN BEING PRO ABORTION...FIND ME THE QUOTE. YOU THINK KING WAS RIGHT ON EVERYTHING? DEAL WITH IT AND GET AN EDUCATION. YOU KEEP TELLING ME WHAT HIS FAMILY BELIEVED WITHOUT GIVING ME PROOF
@kmcl11 NOBODY is pro-abortion. Secondly, PLENTY of devout Christians are pro-choice, don't exploit our Lord and Savior with the sick LIE that only the anti-choice radicals can be REALLY Christian. And King was NEVER directly quoted on the subject, BUT...he WAS a supporter of Margaret Sanger, DID receive the first Planned Parenthood award, and his WIFE confirmed he was solidly pro-choice. I don't claim king was "right on everything" but he was FAR more right than any other leader we've had.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Pro means for. So why be ashamed of being for abortion. I am shocked that you even call yourself xtian while you cannot show me one verse where god would allow such behavior. In fact god even punished a man in the ot for spilling his seed. Can you believe that?
@kmcl11 It's not about "ashamed," it's about a LIE. Nobody is pro-abortion, they are pro-CHOICE. it's a blasphemous and despicable and vile act to question someone's faith because they are pro-choice, MILLIONS of Christians are, because the LAW of God is to love others, and it is NOT a loving act to force a woman to carry an unwanted pregnancy. The Bible NEVER says a word about abortion. No, God did NOT punish Onan, that is a STORY. A fable. Real Christianity is based in Christ's love, not OT.
@kmcl11 No, it's not my opinion, it is a FACT. There is NO SUCH THING as a person who is "pro-abortion". People are pro CHOICE.
I don't think smoking should be illegal, I think it's an awful thing, but shouldn't be banned. Does that make me "pro-smoking"? Of course not.
You are NOT telling the truth, you are telling vile and blasphemous LIES. You are claiming a FALSE definition for what a Christian is for your own narrow, sexist political reasons.
@kmcl11 Liar, you hare not. NOBODY is pro-abortion. People are pro-CHOICE. I know VERY well what blasphemy is, and YOU are slinging it madly. Your despicable claim that ONLY sexist, cruel bigots who want to DENY comprehensive health care and equal rights to women are REAL Christians. Jesus said the law is do unto others as you would have others do unto you, and to follow that law you CANNOT force a woman to carry an unwanted pregnancy.
@PrisonerNumber9653 No you are a liar. You are the one who thinks abortions, drugs, sex out of wedlock is okay. YOu are a disgusting embarrassment to the church! You are 'MADONNA!'.. Someone who think abortion is okay is indeed pro abortion. Why did god even allow the pregnancy if it is his will for it to be aborted? You keep talking about healthcare trying to legitimize your stupid stance. This is not about a healthy delivery this is about how to manipulated what the body is supposed to do.
@kmcl11 That remains outright blasphemy. I'm not saying "love your neighbor" is God's law, Jesus said it. It's preposterous to claim that your sexist political views are not only allowed but REQUIRED of Christians. NOBODY is pro-abortion, this shows YOU to be the liar, instead of discussing an issue you use intentionally misleading false language to misrepresent what people believe. NO ONE is pro-abortion, people are pro-choice. God doesn't decide for people to be pregnant or not, that's absurd.
@kmcl11 My stance is not "stupid," that's an incredibly sexist, bigoted thing to say. Reproductive medicine and choice absolutely IS part of comprehensive health care for women. YOU are manipulating bodies, saying that a woman's body does NOT belong to her, but to the United States government, to FORCE her to carry an unwanted pregnancy. That's cruel and immoral, and thank God unconstitutional.
That sex out of wedlock is a "sin" is foolish, and ignores that gays cannot marry in most states.
@PrisonerNumber9653 "That sex out of wedlock is a "sin" is foolish, and ignores that gays cannot marry in most states"
hahaha what a dummy! You really need to leave xtianity. It has nothing to offer you. Become an atheist. Jesus is against everything you beleive. You are a joke and a loser. Please stop calling yourself christian...you are NOT!
@kmcl11 Despicable blasphemy. There is not ONE WORD I've said that Jesus is against. Not one word. To try to encourage people to leave the faith because they stand up to your hate and lies is as unChristian as it is POSSIBLE for any act to be.
YOU are not a Christian, I am, and I'm acting like one, following the law of Jesus Christ, which you spit on and ignore.
@kmcl11 Abortion is never once mentioned one way or the other in scripture. However, "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you" is obviously applicable. Were YOU in a situation of an unwanted pregnancy, you would NOT want the government forcing you to stay pregnancy, forcing you to deliver an unwanted pregnancy, robbing you of the RIGHT to control your own body. There is nothing Christian about being anti-choice.
@PrisonerNumber9653 You are a feel good xtian., not a real one. You smoke drink, have sex and declare youare saved b.c you love people. What bullshit!
@kmcl11 What blasphemy. Being a Christian has NOTHING to do AT ALL with smoking (which I do NOT do) drinking (which I very rarely do) OR having sex!
JESUS CHRIST said the law of God is to love others. I didn't, JESUS did. This BULL of being a Christian being about this puritan ideal of "holiness" is crap, and that being a Christian means forcing that stupid ideal on OTHERS is the polar opposite of the truth.
@PrisonerNumber9653 lol...your ass needs to decide what you believe. The human that god is forming in a womans body is there b/c the lord made that child. When you decide to kill that child and spill it's blood, it is murder. Furthermore I cannot picture jesus christ as an abortion doctor. Killing his own creation. What insanity!
@feldman30012 No, I don't, my beliefs are solid and not a problem at all. Your claim that "God made that child, so abortion is a sin" is the same one they used to deny women access to birth control, the absurd claim that "God made sex solely for procreation". Those beliefs are NOT held by all, and forcing them on others is not only unChristian, it's unconstitutional. It's not murder in any way. There is no such thing as an "abortion doctor" there are women's health providers, God blesses them.
@PrisonerNumber9653 You beliefs are a joke. As for your poor analogy about deny women birth control, the two cannot be compared. A woman going to kill her child is not the same thing as a woman using a condom. I dont know where the hell you are going with that one. And yes you dummy, there is such thing as an abortion doctor. DR Tiller only performed abortions, he did not deliver any babies. You are clearly way too young to understand this issue. And you call yourself christian. What a joke.
@feldman30012 My beliefs are shaped by Martin Luther King and Jesus Christ and are NOT a "joke". It's not a "poor analogy" it's the truth. A woman does NOT kill a child, and YES abortion IS part of comprehensive family family. There is NO SUCH THING as an "abortion doctor" Dr. Tiller was a courageous WOMEN'S HEALTH PROVIDER who saved many, many lives. I understand this issue FAR better than you, and resent the BLASPHEMY of you calling my faith in the Lord a "joke".
Then what the fuck was he retard.He was a man who performed abortions! I am sure jesus christ who said 'suffer the children" would be so proud looking at a baby a nine months being killed. You are so funny!
@feldman30012 What a despicable, blasphemous liar you are. My views WERE shaped by King and Jesus. That's NOT a lie. I'm not REMOTELY confused, and I am a Christian, not a "liberal Christian". Your vile slur towards disabled people shows YOU lacking in Christian love.
The ONLY abortions in the 9th month were on NON-VIABLE FETUSES to preserve the life and health of the mother, and they are NOT "babies". You think it's 'funny'? Since your radical, bigoted views got him MURDERED, I do not.
@kmcl11 I've given the Christian response repeatedly to this. You ignore it. Having sex outside of marriage is not a sin. Gay people getting married is not a sin. Your vile, hateful, unChristian bigotry is. Instead of using out of context verses as weapons of hate, Christians are to follow one simple law--love your neighbor.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Find me all the verses in the bible supporting 9 month terminations...lol
AHAHAHAHA What a joke you are! In the bible 'picking up sticks' on the sabbath was a punishable act. Yet having someone cut off the arms of a baby is not! AHAHAHAHHA You are fucking crazy!
@feldman30012 The Bible never mentions abortion one way or the other, nor did I say "9 month terminations", again the anti-choice radicals CANNOT debate this issue honestly. You're not even attempting to be honest about this, yet claim I'm "crazy" for asking for simple equality for women.
@PrisonerNumber9653 christian love? The bible has a rule for everything. How a christians should speak ,, beleive and behave. There is more to your dumb religion that love. You are vry young or stupid and have a lot to learn.
@feldman30012 God does have ONE rule, which applies to everything--"love your neighbor." That's the rule. That's how Christians should speak, believe and behave. THAT is what our faith is about, and there's nothing remotely "dumb" about it. I'm not young, nor am I stupid. I've preached, taught, and been part of this faith for many decades. YOU, on the other hand, don't know the first thing about what Christianity really is about.
@feldman30012 Lie. I am NOT very young, and it's a despicable, offensive LIE to say someone is "mentally challenged" for repeating the words of Jesus Christ. Jesus said love your neighbor is THE law, not a law, THE law. ALL rules are based in that. There IS no "other rules".
Romans 13:8-10 confirms this. There is ONE law--love your neighbor.
@feldman30012 I'm not REMOTELY "lost". I've been teaching and preaching the Christian faith for decades. That the LAW of God is love your neighbor is not something I made up, it's the words of Jesus Christ.
@kmcl11 Because I'll see through whatever lies you try to snow me with. You claim I don't know anything about Christianity, about as preposterous a falsehood as it's possible to make. So, as you're trying to promote this monstrous lie that there's something Christian about puritanism or homophobia, yeah it is a waste of time trying to get me to support than bunkum, because I know it's not true.
@feldman30012 Lie. I have read every single word, repeatedly. You have YET to show one word I've said to be factually inaccurate, UNLIKE your compete and utter LIE that Leviticus says to "stone homos" OR that it was written by God.
@PrisonerNumber9653 everything you haev written is a lie! The god of the bible never is ref. to in the feminin, neither is he a god that will send everyone to heaven. Leave your religion. Adn be a true heathen. Why do you even belive?
@feldman30012 No, in fact not one word I've written is untrue. God is as much feminine as masculine, the Bible refers to God as a man because men wrote the book. God doesn't have a penis, God is not a man.
Yes, God WILL send everyone to heaven. Like this preposterous myth that God is a man, people made up "hell" to try to scare others into believing what they wanted them to. Faith in God solely to prevent being in "hell" is self-serving and worthless.
@PrisonerNumber9653 "Like this preposterous myth that God is a man, people made up "hell" to try to scare others into believing what they wanted them to."
Again why do you choose to make this god a female? There are no stories of female heros or god ever being called a sher? Why do you feel the need to make god female.? Maybe you care part of some feminist christian cult.
@feldman30012 Why do I believe? Because God believed in ME. Because God sent Jesus Christ for me, for all of us.
The insane BS of ONLY believing because "otherwise I'll go to hell" is selfish and shallow. You're only doing it for yourself, and that's the exact OPPOSITE of what Christianity is supposed to be.
In the Hindu tradition, there was a deity named Avekitiswara (probably blew the name bad, something like that) who acheived Nirvana but refused to go to stay and help OTHERS get there.
@PrisonerNumber9653 You dont know if god belived in you. You have no proof. And for heaven and hell. The whole bible should be questioned not just those 2 doctrines. The parting of the seas, the elijah story, the virgin birth. All of it.
@feldman30012 Of course I do. And while I do question the whole bible, when it comes to the most basic points--God's law being to love your neighbor, forgiveness and grace, God's love for us, Christ's incredible sacrifice and perfect example--for me, the answer is yes. The parting of the sea? Absolutely not. Elijah story? No. Virgin birth? I doubt it. Which doesn't reduce God's greatness or Christ's importance one tiny bit.
@PrisonerNumber9653 "God's love for us, Christ's incredible sacrifice and perfect example--for me, the answer is yes. The parting of the sea? Absolutely not. Elijah story? No. Virgin birth? I doubt it. "
WOW So you reject the whole idea of miracles but still believe in jesus? What a contradiction. I feel bad for your level of ignorance.
@feldman30012 I don't entirely reject the idea of miracles. I reject the parting of the sea because it was followed by the sea closing up, essentially God murdering an entire army of people. I don't think Mary being a virgin has a thing to do with why Jesus was and is important.
There's nothing REMOTELY contradictory about my beliefs, Christ is important as an example of love, not as a magician doing tricks. There's nothing "ignorant" about it.
By the way, it's also the view of Thomas Jefferson
@PrisonerNumber9653 Yes it is important if she was a virgin. The bible says if he is the messiah he is to be born of a virgin. You are ignorant. And who cares what Jefferson thought. He was not a bible scholar or a practising christian.
@feldman30012 IF this manmade idea of "some people go up, some people go (add ominous reverb to voice) doooowwwnnnnn" were true, a TRUE Christian would stand at the gate and give their place to someone else. That sacrifice, NOT caring for yourself, covering your own ass, but a gift of perfect love to OTHERS, that is the act of a true Christian. I'm obviously not Hindu, but that story stuck with me, a compassion, a love for OTHERS which Jesus told us was the root of true faith.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Listen you fool. you have already blashphemed god by stating scraping out a growing fetus is okay,,,even if it is full term! You are dumb and a joke! You also dont know what 'blaspheme' is! When you find the verse on homo marriage and sex out of wedlock then you will make sense. None of what you sayi is xtian. You are playing a trick on us....bye
@kmcl11 Liar, I have NOT "blasphemed" by telling the TRUTH. The Bible NEVER ONCE mentions abortion. It's not a sin. I know very well what blasphemy is, know VERY well that the Bible does not ever say only heterosexuals can marry, your homophobia and sexism are NOT Christian.
EVERYTHING I say is Christian. Love your neighbor is our LAW, and neither your homophobia nor your refusal to grant equal rights to women is loving or Christian.
@PrisonerNumber9653 YOYU ARE A WRETCHED LIEAR! YOU DIDNT GIVE ANY VERSES ON YOUR FOOLSISH BELIEFS. "know VERY well that the Bible does not ever say only heterosexuals can marry, your homophobia and sexism are NOT Christian.
SHOW ME THE VERSES THAT ALLOW HOMOS TO MARRY. YOUR GOD IS HOMOPHOPIC. READ REVELATION. YOU ARE A FUCKING WASTE OF TIME AND VERY UNEDUCATED. YOU DONT KNOW WHAT BLASPHEMY IS! YOU DONT KNOW YOUR BIBLE. GOD HAS MANY RULES OUTSIDE OF LOVE! IDIOT! WHEN YOU GROW UP YOU WILL SEE.
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Modern Democrats just laugh at their constituents who still vote for them even though Democrats are still slavers, they just enslave people to Welfare and food stamps now instead of using whips and chains. Either way, They still get their Cotton and Tobacco (Votes and Contributions from Unions) They don't even try to hide it now, with Black Democrat Politicians just acting as Quisling Overseers under their White masters. Twisted and Evil
WisePatman 1 week ago
It's sad that you alleged Black people are completely sold, lock, stock and barrel to the democratic misinformation machine. Martin Luther King SR and JR were both life long republicans. Why? Because the Republican party was / is the party of fairness and was for the abolition of slavery from the very beginning. It was the democrats that were against civil rights, jailed King, wire tapped king and ultimately killed him. Blacks back then would be appalled at you all being democrat.
shakaama 1 week ago
@shakaama -KING JR WAS ALWAYS A INDEPENDENT
MLK Sr was republican NOT King Jr and his father switched over to democrat after Kennedy got his son out of prison in the 1960 election.Both King Jr and father endorsed John F. Kennedy for President in the 1960 election King's father also endorsed Jimmy Carter in the 1976 election
MLK JR never belonged to any political party but today's Right Wing idiots keep telling this propaganda lie
ExposingUncleToms 1 week ago
""The Republican Party geared its appeal and program to racism, reaction, and extremism. All people of goodwill viewed with alarm and concern the frenzied wedding at the Cow Palace of the KKK with the radical right. The "best man" at this ceremony was a senator whose voting record, philosophy, and program were anathema to all the hard-won achievements of the past decade." MLK 1964
daswann14 1 week ago
Uhhh, did I miss something or was there a major theological shift between the 2 major parties in the mid sixties that centered around Civil Rights? To make this perfectly clear, the "democrats" you speak of are now republicans. They used to be called Dixie-Crats. That doesn't mean that MLK, or my grandfather for that matter, were part of what would be recognized as the modern Republican party. To leave that out is an attempt at lying by omission.
djbennyblack 1 month ago
@djbennyblack not Theological, Idealogical under the premise of theology (The whole black people come from Cain argument that supported slavery by the political party that is now called the Republican party).
djbennyblack 1 month ago
@djbennyblack completely and utterly false. the dixiecrats did NOT move to the republican party. the only thing that happened is that the democratic party shifted in its marketing and tactics. they felt that republican were getting a pass by Black who ALL were republican back then, so they, via political maneuvers sought to get the Black vote. and now, they again take them for granted. Democrats have always and will always be ANTI-BLACK. they SAY republicans are racist, false.
shakaama 1 week ago
@shakaama What kind of delusional babble is this? They most certainly did shift parties, and my grandfather is one of those black former Republicans. Strom Thurman, for example, switched parties in 1964, with thousands of other Dixie-crats. I have no clue where you are from, but your grasp on history is extremely loose. Governor George Wallace was a major force in getting people to switch parties.
djbennyblack 1 week ago
@djbennyblack A conservative delusional bubble, and sadly a very widespread one.
daswann14 1 week ago
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@djbennyblack Modern Democrats just laugh at their constituents who still vote for them even though Democrats are still slavers, they just enslave people to Welfare and food stamps now instead of using whips and chains. Either way, They still get their Cotton and Tobacco (Votes and Contributions from Unions) They don't even try to hide it now, with Black Democrat Politicians just acting as Quisling Overseers under their White masters. Twisted and Evil
WisePatman 1 week ago
@WisePatman Again, the majority of people on food stamps and welfare are white, followed by hispanics, followed by black people. So...if Democrats are enslaving anyone visa vi these programs, it would be white people. Not true, but if it were, that's how it would work. Funny how you try to say that black people are brainwashed by democrats but you keep spouting unproven, baseless republican talking points...interesting.
djbennyblack 1 week ago
@djbennyblack Ah poor uneducated inexperienced one, Blacks comprise only 12 percent of the nation, but, according to the Government, they comprise 37 percent of the welfare rolls. As with most things that require a little understanding, More Whites are destroyed by welfare but more Black families PER CAPITA are destroyed by it. It is evil and bad and I decry the harm it causes to everyone. You accused me of "veiled racism" It makes me laugh, Because I am willing to discuss race I am a Racist?
WisePatman 1 week ago
@WisePatman Not veiled racism, but I am somehow "poor" "uneducated" and "inexperienced"? Ok, no so veiled then... Anyway, first of all, you are quoting a statistic from 20 years ago. Black people over the last decade have accounted for less than 18 percent of the total welfare rolls (as of 2010). White people still make up more than 60 percent of welfare recipients, even though they are slipping in the overall population, increasing their PER CAPITA exposure to the program...
djbennyblack 1 week ago
@WisePatman So...to recap, numbers of black people on welfare over the last decade, going down, the number of white people, going up. Again, not a black issue. Your willingness to discuss race doesn't make you racist. Your ignorant rants make you ignorant and the bi-product of ignorance in terms of race is racism.
djbennyblack 1 week ago
@djbennyblack Of all the things people who know me call me, Ignorant is not one of them. I am not ignorant simply because you disagree with my positions. Neither are you. To me Racism is simple, People HATE others because of their race. I hate no one, I believe there is no us and them, only us. I resolutely refuse to group people in the cause of looking down on them. I love my neighbor, you are my neighbor, I love you. As for welfare, Black or White or Brown, it destroys those it touches.
WisePatman 1 week ago
@WisePatman Lol, well, people tend to associate themselves with like minded people, so of course I get that people around you, who are like you, wouldn't recognize the blatant lack of information that leads you to your beliefs is ignorance. That's kind of a part of ignorance. And to clarify, that's not an arbitrary statement. You defined ALL democrats as dixiecrats, when that isn't the case at all. There have also been several other factual faux pas from you that wreak of ignorance.
djbennyblack 1 week ago
@shakaama Furthermore, as for the Democrat party being anti-black, uhhh....lok at the White House. The first credible black presidential candidate (in 1988) was what? Democrat. The first KKK gran wizard to become a serious politician, David Duke, was a Republican. Democrats not only sought to get the "black vote" they created the idea of the "black vote" via the voter's rights act. What caused the shift was influential northern Democrats seeing a much bigger picture than the dixiecrats
djbennyblack 1 week ago
@shakaama One more thing-look at the GOP's current platform. Smaller, less powerful fed govt, against social programs, etc.-all influenced directly by Gov. George Wallace (king of segregation). And, for the record, the most detrimental public policies for black people have come from Republicans. Racial profiling is not something Democrats tend to be in favor of, nor is opposition of affirmative action.
djbennyblack 1 week ago
@djbennyblack Boy those "Social Programs" have really helped Black Society haven't they? What you call "Detrimental" is the removing of policies which help keep poor Blacks Poor. Think beyond your own welfare check.
WisePatman 1 week ago
@WisePatman I was waiting for the veiled racist comment to come, congrats... See, things like making welfare a black issue when black people represent the smallest group of welfare recipients is why most of us don't vote Republican. Furthermore, welfare is not a bi-product of the civil rights movement, it dates back to the Plymouth colony. as for social programs that worked, follow your party line. You cant call Obama an affirmative action president AND say a.a. doesnt' work...
djbennyblack 1 week ago
@djbennyblack Taking care of each other. . GOOD! (Like Plymouth) Having the Government do it?. . BAD!
The surest way to spot a Racist is when he accuses others of racism. I am NOT a Republican. Yes Affirmative action works, it does LOTS of bad things, Like Obama in the white house for instance, not because of the color of his skin, but because the content of (or lack of) his character. When I said "Your own welfare check" I was not talking about you, just those who get them, of any color.
WisePatman 1 week ago
@WisePatman In Plymouth, welfare was a town mandate, instituted by the local GOVERNMENT. You HAD to take care of each other. It was a founding principle of the country. Forced or unforced. affirmative Action does bad things like put Obama in the White House? Actually, as I said, that is your party line (not a repub, but you are taking their side in this debate, hmmm) but it isn't true. Obama got where he got by his accomplishments, not because of things given to him...
djbennyblack 1 week ago
@djbennyblack Believe it or not, Denying a problem in society by using "lies, damn lies, and statistics" (Mark Twain) does not solve it! I recently spent 7 years in Federal Prison and my heart continues to ache for all my friends there whose families are broken because of "Government Programs" i.e. War on Drugs, Welfare, WIC, Section 8, etc. etc ALL of which are targeted at keeping poor people poor and the prisons full. The evidence is there
WisePatman 1 week ago
@WisePatman Oh, so you're white, spent time in prison, and now you have all the answers...I've met enough people like you to know where to end this conversation. Affirmative action didn't put you where you are, social programs didn't put you there, you and your poor choices and inability to to deal with them did. You are more Republican than you realize...nice talking to ya, but this isn't going anywhere. The Feds didn't fix you and neither will I.
djbennyblack 1 week ago
@djbennyblack I am actually not white, But I didn't think it was important. I surely do not have all the answers. You pre-judge me based on a very few facts, this makes me sad because, as I said before, I think you are a good guy. We probably agree on more than we disagree, but you would throw it all away. I took responsibility for my admittedly poor choices, Amazing ability to "Deal with them" the Feds couldn't "fix" me, they couldn't fix a flat tire. But you might have a chance! :)
WisePatman 1 week ago
@WisePatman "I'm actually not white" "..didn't think it was important" To recap, you have taken the angry white male, right wing Republican stance, and yet you are none of these things...and you aren't ignorant...well then you're an anomaly, congrats. And for the record, I never prejudged, I reacted to your smarmy comments in kind. Remember, I'm "poor, uneducated and inexperienced", but I should be polite when insulted...more sighs
djbennyblack 1 week ago
@djbennyblack Touche', I should be more circumspect in my judgments of you. Sorry about that. I should also tone down the smarmy factor as well. I will attempt in the future to not give you reason to sigh so much.
WisePatman 1 week ago
@WisePatman For the record, the war on drugs wasn't part of Civil Rights legislation, it came from a republican. Nixon and Reagan's policy's both inflated the war on drugs, started by Teddy Roosevelt to get rid of Mexicans. WIC, cam after, Section 8 is a product of the great depression (1937) not civil rights, and as we have established, welfare far predates civil rights (it existed during slavery for crying out loud).
djbennyblack 1 week ago
@djbennyblack True enough, I don't think you see that I don't care so much about Dems vs Repubs as I do about good policy vs idiot policy. That is why I have not been a member of any political party since the 80's. Welfare should be provided by someone other than the Government because the Government uses it for political power on both sides. From the early 1700's through the 1920's (200 years!) People in the United States took care of each other through churches and charities. The Govt took it.
WisePatman 1 week ago
@WisePatman ". From the early 1700's through the 1920's (200 years!) People in the United States took care of each other through churches and charities. The Govt took it." Nobody gave a crap about black people back then, and the average person was much worse off too. Way to romantacize something untrue.
daswann14 6 days ago
@djbennyblack I think I like you, you seem to be a conscientiousness dude. A little off in your opinions I think, but a good guy.
WisePatman 1 week ago
@djbennyblack "Racial profiling is not something Democrats tend to be in favor of," Riiight! It is always The Dems who point out race! And Affirmative action!?! Dr King did not say: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character." UNLESS A JOB IS INVOLVED!
WisePatman 1 week ago
@WisePatman You miss the big picture. Democrats oppose racial profiling (a product of Jim Crowe) and Republicans support it. Both sides are taking a racially based viewpoint. One is favorable to black people, the other not so much. And for the record, Dr. King was in favor of affirmative action as an alternative to reparations. Read a little and then try to debate. Otherwise, you're just talking out of your ass.
djbennyblack 1 week ago
@djbennyblack Believe me I see lots of the big picture, I know this by the realization of how much of it I miss. As for Racial Profiling, Dems call it Afirmative action and use it to "Help" Repubs use it to harm. Generally speaking of course. All Jim Crow laws were written by Democrats who have now flipped the script to say they are helping. I know too many good men who have not been helped. It is insidious to flash a "solution" which is not one, so that you don't have to actually provide one.
WisePatman 1 week ago
@WisePatman Sigh....prison wisdom. So deep to those who buy into it, so simplistic and unrealistic to those who actually know or do anything.
djbennyblack 1 week ago
@djbennyblack Why so mean? I only became a little wiser because of the joint. The name WisePatman is a bit of a joke, although I have been married for 25 years, raised 5 children, all productive adults, and I have started 15 successful businesses (and a few other not so successful ones!) . Other than that, yes I don't know or do anything. . .
WisePatman 1 week ago
@WisePatman Sigh.... this is the internet. Who/whatever you say you are is as true as you say it is... You started businesses, raised kids, and just got out of the pen? You said people need to be judged by their actions. I have judged you by your purported actions and by your statements, I don't know you personally and my opinions here are based on what you have said here. Not being mean, applying the same judgement you have to others, just applied it to you.
djbennyblack 1 week ago
@djbennyblack Yes all those things are true, a man can do a lot in 50 years of life.
WisePatman 1 week ago
@WisePatman Racial Profiling and Affirmative Action are the same? And I was wrong to assume your ignorance...good lord. Affirmative Action provides the individual with less opportunity (ie lack of white privilege) an opportunity to succeed based on their own merit so long as they are qualified to perform a job. Racial profiling assumes potential guilt based solely on race an aesthetics. And DIXIECRATS not all Democrats wrote Jim Crowe laws. They didn't exist north of the MD line.
djbennyblack 1 week ago
@djbennyblack Racial profiling and Affirmative action both have, at their core, decisions about what will happen to someone based solely on their race. I do not believe in making judgments based on that criteria whether they be "good" or "bad" because some imperfect human is deciding goodness and badness. Both racial profiling and affirmative action can be and are abused by those administrating them. Why can't we just judge based on appropriateness for the job?
WisePatman 1 week ago
@shakaama "the dixiecrats did NOT move to the republican party" Yes they did. How is did states that were DEM for decades all of a sudden become Republican? How stupid/ misinformed are you?
daswann14 1 week ago
@daswann14 oh grand pooba please tell me which of these states that were democrats suddenly change to republican? ooooh, none? Yeah, try again. thanks for playing.
shakaama 1 week ago
@shakaama "oh grand pooba please tell me which of these states that were democrats suddenly change to republican? ooooh, none? Yeah, try again. thanks for playing." Lol idiot. Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina, North Carolina, Florida, Georgia. Tennessee, Arkansas, Louisiana, Texas, Oklahaoma, and Kentucky. What the fuck are you talking about moron.
daswann14 1 week ago
@daswann14 interesting that you have no clue what you're talking about. the republican party was for abolition. when the 13th amendment was signed, Lincoln then sent in troops to assist blacks in asserting their constitutional rights. AND GUESS WHAT PARTY THEY WENT TO? Republican. So there was no switch, there was an influx of republicans. the democrats did not switch. New republicans came in the 60s. Democrats voted against the 64 civil rights act. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.
shakaama 1 week ago
@shakaama Interesting how fucking stupid uniformed and unnuanced you are. Yes the GOP led by Lincoln was ahead in abolition; and from then until 1930 black people voted overwhelmingly for the GOP. Then the tables turned; FDR did many things that helped black people and by 1960 the parties had reallinged along civil rights; the DEMs were pro and since 1936 have recieved at least 70% of the black vote in every election.
daswann14 1 week ago
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@daswann14 Modern Democrats just laugh at their constituents who still vote for them even though Democrats are still slavers, they just enslave people to Welfare and food stamps now instead of using whips and chains. Either way, They still get their Cotton and Tobacco (Votes and Contributions from Unions) They don't even try to hide it now, with Black Democrat Politicians just acting as Quisling Overseers under their White masters. Twisted and Evil
WisePatman 1 week ago
@shakaama 1964 Civil Rights Act Voting:
The original House version: Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7%–93%) Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0%–100%) Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%–6%) Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%–15%)
The Senate version: Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5%–95%) Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0%–100%) Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%–2%) Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%–16%)
Notice it is region that matters; and in each given reason the GOP is more against it.
daswann14 1 week ago
@daswann14 -I can understand what your saying today's Right Wing Cons think if they keep telling the same lie that its gonna come true.Conservatives try to blame today's liberals for what southern democrats did 60 years ago when Southern Dems were Conservatives themselves
The racist South has always been run by Conservatives regardless of party
ExposingUncleToms 1 week ago
@ExposingUncleToms I feel you. I don't know what kind of warped world people have to live in to believe that Bull Conner, George Wallace, and Strom Thurmond were not massively conservative.
daswann14 1 week ago
@shakaama -You're a retarded idiot your saying the South never switched over to republican when today 90% of White Voters are Republican and today's Southern Republican Party defends Confederate Flag
You must be a self hating Token Coon Sellout
ExposingUncleToms 1 week ago
@ExposingUncleToms you in particular have no opinion that is worthwhile, you don't know anything about history, facts, nor reality. for you to call yourself black is even laughable. you're probably some white guy that likes to spread hate amongst black people.
shakaama 1 week ago
WisePatman 1 week ago
Modern Democrats just laugh at their constituents who still vote for them even though Democrats are still slavers, they just enslave people to Welfare and food stamps now instead of using whips and chains. Either way, They still get their Cotton and Tobacco (Votes and Contributions from Unions) They don't even try to hide it now, with Black Democrat Politicians just acting as Quisling Overseers under their White masters. Twisted and Evil
WisePatman 1 week ago
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@WisePatman Here is what you miss. A dixiecrat is a southern democrat. Here's a further breakdown of that vote...
1964 Civil Rights Act Voting:
The original House version: Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7%–93%) Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0%–100%) Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%–6%) Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%–15%)
The Senate version: Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5%–95%) Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0%–100%) Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%–2%) Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%–16%)
djbennyblack 1 week ago
@WisePatman Only 8 southern Democrat OR republicans voted for this bill in and the House or Senate...that means all of the DIXIECRATS except 7 voted against the act... You are right, dixiecrats changed tactics, they joined the GOP.
djbennyblack 1 week ago
Black republicans ain't worth shit...
freein2339 3 months ago
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Martin Luther King, Jr. wrote in his autobiography:
"The Republican Party geared its appeal and program to racism, reaction, and extremism."
That was his description of the 1964 Republican National Convention. He also referred to the Republican convention as "the frenzied wedding at the Cow Palace of the KKK with the radical right."
freein2339 3 months ago
13. What is the Party of President Lyndon Johnson, who called Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. “that [N-word] preacher”
because he opposed the Viet Nam War; and President John F. Kennedy who voted against the 1957 Civil Rights law as a
Senator, then as president opposed Dr. King’s 1963 March on Washington and had Dr. King investigated by the FBI on
suspicion of being a communist?
BeulahLips 3 months ago
@BeulahLips This statement is ridiculous. Kennedy contributed more to the Civil Rights Movement than MLK even! His initial opposition to the 1957 Civil Rights Act was to win voters in the South, which was still largely segregated.
And Kennedy did not oppose the March on Washington. He initially expressed concern that the march might draw negative attention towards Congress, which was considering a civil rights bill, but went on to endorse it. Do your homework. Kennedy was a civil rights leader.
SARDU1976 3 months ago
@SARDU1976 Woah, Kennedy contributed more to the movement than MLK? Really? Kennedy didn't oppose the march on Washington and yet one of the key pieces in the MLK memorial is the letter he wrote to MLK asking him NOT to march due to political reasons. JFK would have never been involved AT ALL if not for the SCLCC reaching out so proactively to his brother Bobby, who convinced JFK that there was political capital in supporting civil rights (more voters=more votes)
djbennyblack 1 month ago
@BeulahLips And yes, Johnson was a raging racist. But again, racism doesn't equal prejudice. Just because a person refers to a black person as a "nigger" shows that they are racist, but it doesn't necessarily mean that they bear any ill will towards people of that ethnicity.
SARDU1976 3 months ago
" A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual doom. "
Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
sounds like a liberal statement to me how about you?
111RUSSELL111 4 months ago
Martin Luther King, Jr. severed any ties he had with the Republican Party during the Civil Rights Movement. His father was a lifelong Republican but that was before blacks nationwide started to shift to Democratic Party under Franklin D. Roosevelt's administration, arguably the first fiscally moderate and socially liberal Democratic President we had and the first Democratic President to show any empathy for the black man.
SARDU1976 5 months ago
12. What is the Party of President Franklin D. Roosevelt and President Harry Truman who rejected anti-lynching laws and
efforts to establish a permanent Civil Rights Commission?
BeulahLips 3 months ago
@BeulahLips Roosevelt and Truman rejected "anti-lynching laws" largely because lynching already fell under murder and murder was a capital crime in many states. Also, lynch mobs didn't just target black people. As a matter of fact, more white people were lynched than black people.
Furthermore, just because a person is racist doesn't mean they are prejudice. Truman, while an anti-semite and overall what I would call racist, did consider people of all ethnicities equal human beings.
SARDU1976 3 months ago
@SARDU1976 " just because a person is racist doesn't mean they are prejudice."
In what world?!? Racism is the most extreme form OF prejudice. I guess I'll file that one under : Just because you say it does not make it so. Oh, by the way, both MLK Sr. and Jr. were indeed registered Republicans. Facts are stubborn things.
WisePatman 1 week ago
@WisePatman ""The Republican Party geared its appeal and program to racism, reaction, and extremism. All people of goodwill viewed with alarm and concern the frenzied wedding at the Cow Palace of the KKK with the radical right. The "best man" at this ceremony was a senator whose voting record, philosophy, and program were anathema to all the hard-won achievements of the past decade." MLK 1964
MLK JR was not a republican, his father was. Who did King endorse in 64?
daswann14 1 week ago
@SARDU1976 But not much empathy for Japanese Americans.
WisePatman 1 week ago
He was a republican. He was against the Vietnam war because of his pacifist beleifs. MLKjr was and still is my childhood hero. He would be ashamed of affirmitive action and of Barack Obama and Eric holder. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
MrArmystrong85 5 months ago
@Armyweak: MLK, Jr. was a liberal socialist! If he still managed to be a Republican, while being a liberal socialist, well, more than likely there just is something fucked up about you! (Your political & historical revisionism, etc.)
Show me a copy of his voter registration card! ...make a video where you show, plainly, under normal light condition's, etc., the card itself, so that it can be read by anyone who watches the video.
It's really that simple! Or just GTFO the internet!!
SpookeyR 5 months ago
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@SpookeyR My you use such eloquent language. It reflects your incredible intelligence perfectly. Im sure your mommy must be so proud of you ;)
MrArmystrong85 5 months ago
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ExposingUncleToms 5 months ago
@MrArmystrong85-Today's White Power Rednecks keep telling this lie that Martin Luther King was Republican you must be brainwashed by Glenn Beck Propaganda.
MARTIN LUTHER KING'S VIEWS WERE LIBERAL
1.He was Anti-War
2.He was Anti-Guns
3.He supported the Liberal Naacp
4.He supported Social Justice
5.He supported Affirmative Action
6.He supported Unions
Martin Luther King was Liberal just like his Wife Coretta Scott King and all their kids are also Liberal.Dr King's Sons are Liberal
ExposingUncleToms 5 months ago
@ExposingUncleToms ok Im not here to antagonize you. Im open to your opinion and beleifs. Can you show me your sources so that I may verify them for myself?
MrArmystrong85 4 months ago
@ExposingUncleToms If they were White power Rednecks, why would they want MLK to be in their party? They would hate him because he was Black, or didn't you notice?
Your logic = FAIL!
WisePatman 1 week ago
@WisePatman B/c copting Dr. King's message is something conservatives try to use for political gain. MLK has been defied in a way that makes it impossible to call him a radical socialist racebaiting nigger like conservatives used to, so they co-opt him and make people like you think he was on their side.
daswann14 1 week ago
@WisePatman -Today's White Power Cons are trying to exploit Dr.King's legacy and you already know this for hate mongering bigots like Glenn Beck to try to claim Dr.king's legacy is just laughable
ExposingUncleToms 1 week ago
@ExposingUncleToms It's so sad we have to explain stuff like this to these idiots; who if they simply took 15 minutes to look up the topic could find out the facts for themselves. Instead they love their bubble of ignorance and hate.
daswann14 1 week ago
MLK Jr. was a self-described "democratic socialist" and literally said:
"something is wrong with capitalism"
"There must be a better distribution of wealth, and maybe America must move toward a democratic socialism."
AndroidPolitician 6 months ago
Where are the clips of him seaking out against the vietnam war you liar? You don't know shit about the Reverand.
imaginepeace63 6 months ago
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imaginepeace63 6 months ago
MLK Jr. was a liberal socialist and he was a good man for it!
SpookeyR 7 months ago in playlist Hatred
@SpookeyR absolutely agree
AWesome61696 5 months ago
The glory of Christ has nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not his mother was a virgin, God's perfect grace doesn't depend on blindly believing every word of the bible. Why believe? I don't need a reason to, I just do, I just trust God. I love Jesus because He loved me. I don't expect anything in return.
PrisonerNumber9653 7 months ago
Well, if its important to you, knock yourself out. The greatness and importance of Christ are in what he taught and did, not in whether or not his mother met manmade standards of "purity", or this silly game of matching "prophets". Disagreeing with you on a minor point doesn't make one "ignorant" and when it comes to this, I'm not. And Jefferson was a Christian.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 The fact that you even beleive in jesus yet deny the stories about him, it what is the biggest joke. Why even believe.
feldman30012 7 months ago
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@feldman30012 The glory of Christ has nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not his mother was a virgin, God's perfect grace doesn't depend on blindly believing every word of the bible. Why believe? I don't need a reason to, I just do, I just trust God. I love Jesus because He loved me. I don't expect anything in return.
PrisonerNumber9653 7 months ago
I hope you're kidding. Read Lev? Where we're told to stone our children to death and the "sin" of double-crop soybeans, eating shrimp, and wearing rayon? The nature of when life begins is one individuals have to make, not forced by government, and God's real law (which aint in lev.) says treat others with love. God doesn't punish, God forgives.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
ABSOLUTELY THE BEST VIDEO THAT TRULY EDUCATES!!! God Bless you Obamaunderground!!!
TheSpitfire1969 8 months ago
@TheSpitfire1969 It doesn't "educate" it's a pack of lies. This line of bull, claiming Democrats are "racist" is based in the work of an "Historian" named David Barton who has ZERO credibility as a professional historian. They point out that most blacks were Republicans 50 years ago, ignoring that over 90% now vote DEMOCRATIC. The claim that today's GOP "Champions civil rights" is assinine. Posting a picture of a MODERN Sen. Byrd in KKK garb is an intentional LIE, he left the Klan in the 50s.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@TheSpitfire1969 They say it's BAD to increase minimum wages, which Dr. King would have been OUTRAGED by, King called for a MAJOR increase in wages. The claim there's been no impact on poverty by helping the needy is idiocy. There is NOTHING "diabolical" about the TRUTH that Republicans are to blame for the condition of our cities. Calling black votes for Dems a "plantation" is a deeply racist slur. Calling democratic policies "Socialism" is a pathetic LIE, and ignores that King WAS a Socialist.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@TheSpitfire1969 The claim that Republican policies of greed are really about "hard work" implies that blacks are poor because they don't work hard, a vile and insulting lie. Saying they're for "education" is insanity, the GOP has CUT Education funding constantly. They use the President's middle name to imply he is a Muslim, which even the attack dogs of the RNC said was racist and wrong. To say King wouldn't have voted for Obama to claim he'd have voted GOP is idiocy. King would NOT vote GOP.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
This is just a common propagandist attempt to confuse people into believing conservatism is not the home of white racists. It's a known fact that Republican was originally the liberal party in America until the mid 20th century. The gradual transition started with FDR's "New Deal" policies and culminated with the Civil Rights era (60's). Most white racists by then moved from Democrat to Republican. And that's still the case today.The one relevant constant is:RACISTS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN CONSERVATIVE
emmettk 8 months ago
During the height of the Civil Rights movement MLK had Pres. Kennedy and Atty Gen Robert Kennedy 's phone number and they had to impose Martial Law and literally send the National Guard to rescue King and congregants of a black church hosting Freedom Riders in 1961 from being incinerated by the racists outside. A fact that doesn't fit in with the propaganda here, Another omission is that had Republican Barry Goldwater won in 1964, the Civil Rights Act would not have passed. He was against it.
emmettk 8 months ago
As a black person I find it an insult to my intelligence that the last half century is being grossly misrepresented. Conveniently omitted is that by the 60's, northern liberals had seized control of the Democratic party. Betrayed, most southern racist Democrats (Dixiecrats like Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms) jumped to the Republicans who were happy to increase their numbers. Dem. Pres Johnson signed the historic Civil Rights Act (1964) & Voting Rights Act (1965).GOP candidate Goldwater opposed
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emmettk 8 months ago
Outright blasphemy. MILLIONS of Christians are pro-choice, all should be, it is not Christian to deny women right to decide when and if she carries a pregnancy. And even more despicable is the hateful lie that discrimination against gays is Christian, it is NOT. Being a Christian is NOT follow the OT Jesus makes this very clear. You're no Christian using the Bible as a weapon of hate.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
you are a part of feel good christianity which is not about judement or right living but about what feels good. Xtianity is not about love only but abotu righteous living and holy living. You have a lot to learn.
kmcl11 8 months ago
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MLK in 1964 after segregationist Barry Goldwater won the GOP nomination:
"The Republican Party geared its appeal and program to racism, reaction, and extremism. All people of goodwill viewed with alarm and concern the frenzied wedding at the Cow Palace of the KKK with the radical right. The "best man" at this ceremony was a senator whose voting record, philosophy, and program were anathema to all the hard-won achievements of the past decade."
sgtpepper2345 9 months ago
I'm not sure if I should laugh hysterically or flip a table with rage. This is THAT absurd. Not all conservatives are uneducated racists (and seemingly proud of it), but all uneducated racists seem to be conservatives (and proud of it)...
GrassValleyGreg 9 months ago
What a vomitous pack of LIES!!!! You claim this is "truth" with a photoshop phony picture implying Byrd was still KKK over fifty years after he left? You blame Dems for stopping one minimum wage hike as the GOP keeps wages low and busts unions? Post the racist lie that anti-poverty programs are bad for blacks?
PrisonerNumber9653 9 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 MARTIN WOULD NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA. YOU ARE MORE INTO RACE THAN TRUTH. MLK WAS PRO LIFE AND DIDNT WANT SOMEONE JUDGED BASED ON SKIN COLOR.
kmcl11 9 months ago
@kmcl11 Despicable lies. He was absolutely NOT anti-choice, and favored aggressive affirmative action. You haven't a clue what you're talking about, and the racist lie of taking one line out of context and claiming he opposed all moves towards equality and justice is malarky. He may not have voted for Obama--he may have voted for Cynthia McKinney. Never in a million years would MLK support today's far right GOP.
PrisonerNumber9653 9 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 HE WAS PRO LIFE! FIND ME THE QUOTE WHERE HE SAYS HE AGREES WITH ABORTION! YOU NEED A REAL EDUCATION.
kmcl11 8 months ago
@kmcl11 No, jackass, I do NOT need an "education", which in your perverse world means "believing the racist lies of the far right". The CLAIM that he was anti-choice was CREATED OUT OF THIN AIR by his niece, who has a list of DOCUMENTED lies as long as my arm (and I am very tall, I have LONNNGGGG arms)
I've read his writings, unlike you. I've read his speeches, unlike you. It is OBVIOUS that he'd be pro-choice. King was a friend of Planned Parenthood, and admired Margaret Sanger.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 KING STATES AMERICA NEEDED A SOCIALIST LIKE SYSTEM...SO YOU ARE SEMI CORRECT ABOUT THE HEALTHCARE THING. IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT HE BELIEVED ..HE IS DEAD.
kmcl11 8 months ago
@kmcl11 Well, first off, this is as close to an admission of bald-faced lying I've ever seen from the King bashers, so you get a little bit of respect for that.
Secondly, that's like saying who cares what our founders thought, or what Jesus thought, or what Plato thought. King was one of the greatest people our nation ever produced, what he thought is massively important and influential, and deserves to have the TRUTH told about it.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 I wrote that to lash out at someone telling me what king belived without proof. As for jesus, don;t believe in him. I use the bible though to challenge so-called christians.
kmcl11 8 months ago
@kmcl11 Well, given that you aimed it at me, I'd say that NOTHING I've said is "without proof", it IS what King believed, based ENTIRELY on his writings and words, and I am NOT a "so-called Christian", I am a Christian.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 No. You are a socalled christian. None of what you say is christian like. And yes you are pro abortion. And so what? Its seems like you cannot deal with that. Gods love is also aboutnot taking and spilling th blood of innocent life. You are kidding yourself if you think you can be for the act of abortion and still be christian..I bet you think gays should marry also. Why not. Its about love..lol And yes xitanity is based on the OT wehre one still must follow the commandment
kmcl11 8 months ago
@kmcl11 And, by the way, his WIFE confirmed on a NUMBER of occasions that Dr. King was pro-choice. Not a niece with a record of perverting and lying about his believes. His wife.
Martin Luther King believed in equality, he believed in access to health care, he was absolutely pro-choice.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 LISTEN FOOL, FIND ME THE QUOTE OF THIS CHRISTIAN MAN BEING PRO ABORTION...FIND ME THE QUOTE. YOU THINK KING WAS RIGHT ON EVERYTHING? DEAL WITH IT AND GET AN EDUCATION. YOU KEEP TELLING ME WHAT HIS FAMILY BELIEVED WITHOUT GIVING ME PROOF
kmcl11 8 months ago
@kmcl11 NOBODY is pro-abortion. Secondly, PLENTY of devout Christians are pro-choice, don't exploit our Lord and Savior with the sick LIE that only the anti-choice radicals can be REALLY Christian. And King was NEVER directly quoted on the subject, BUT...he WAS a supporter of Margaret Sanger, DID receive the first Planned Parenthood award, and his WIFE confirmed he was solidly pro-choice. I don't claim king was "right on everything" but he was FAR more right than any other leader we've had.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Pro means for. So why be ashamed of being for abortion. I am shocked that you even call yourself xtian while you cannot show me one verse where god would allow such behavior. In fact god even punished a man in the ot for spilling his seed. Can you believe that?
kmcl11 8 months ago
@kmcl11 It's not about "ashamed," it's about a LIE. Nobody is pro-abortion, they are pro-CHOICE. it's a blasphemous and despicable and vile act to question someone's faith because they are pro-choice, MILLIONS of Christians are, because the LAW of God is to love others, and it is NOT a loving act to force a woman to carry an unwanted pregnancy. The Bible NEVER says a word about abortion. No, God did NOT punish Onan, that is a STORY. A fable. Real Christianity is based in Christ's love, not OT.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 "Nobody is pro-abortion"
That is your opinion. The term pro means for...I have said that already.
"it's a blasphemous and despicable and vile act to question someone's faith because they are pro-choice"
HAHH what a joke. I can question anything I want to. Typical christian offended by the truth.
"the LAW of God is to love others, and it is NOT a loving act to force a woman to carry an unwanted pregnancy"
YOU are clearly DELUDED! God has laws that one must obey also.
kmcl11 8 months ago
@kmcl11 No, it's not my opinion, it is a FACT. There is NO SUCH THING as a person who is "pro-abortion". People are pro CHOICE.
I don't think smoking should be illegal, I think it's an awful thing, but shouldn't be banned. Does that make me "pro-smoking"? Of course not.
You are NOT telling the truth, you are telling vile and blasphemous LIES. You are claiming a FALSE definition for what a Christian is for your own narrow, sexist political reasons.
God has A aw, being anti-choice VIOLATES it
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 "There is NO SUCH THING as a person who is "pro-abortion". "
Yes there is. I haev met such people. Seriously get over this.
"You are NOT telling the truth, you are telling vile and blasphemous LIES"
You need to learn what blasphemy is. Like I said before, Jesus would never perform am abortion. Go find another religion.
kmcl11 8 months ago
@kmcl11 Liar, you hare not. NOBODY is pro-abortion. People are pro-CHOICE. I know VERY well what blasphemy is, and YOU are slinging it madly. Your despicable claim that ONLY sexist, cruel bigots who want to DENY comprehensive health care and equal rights to women are REAL Christians. Jesus said the law is do unto others as you would have others do unto you, and to follow that law you CANNOT force a woman to carry an unwanted pregnancy.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 No you are a liar. You are the one who thinks abortions, drugs, sex out of wedlock is okay. YOu are a disgusting embarrassment to the church! You are 'MADONNA!'.. Someone who think abortion is okay is indeed pro abortion. Why did god even allow the pregnancy if it is his will for it to be aborted? You keep talking about healthcare trying to legitimize your stupid stance. This is not about a healthy delivery this is about how to manipulated what the body is supposed to do.
kmcl11 8 months ago
@kmcl11 That remains outright blasphemy. I'm not saying "love your neighbor" is God's law, Jesus said it. It's preposterous to claim that your sexist political views are not only allowed but REQUIRED of Christians. NOBODY is pro-abortion, this shows YOU to be the liar, instead of discussing an issue you use intentionally misleading false language to misrepresent what people believe. NO ONE is pro-abortion, people are pro-choice. God doesn't decide for people to be pregnant or not, that's absurd.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@kmcl11 My stance is not "stupid," that's an incredibly sexist, bigoted thing to say. Reproductive medicine and choice absolutely IS part of comprehensive health care for women. YOU are manipulating bodies, saying that a woman's body does NOT belong to her, but to the United States government, to FORCE her to carry an unwanted pregnancy. That's cruel and immoral, and thank God unconstitutional.
That sex out of wedlock is a "sin" is foolish, and ignores that gays cannot marry in most states.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 "That sex out of wedlock is a "sin" is foolish, and ignores that gays cannot marry in most states"
hahaha what a dummy! You really need to leave xtianity. It has nothing to offer you. Become an atheist. Jesus is against everything you beleive. You are a joke and a loser. Please stop calling yourself christian...you are NOT!
kmcl11 8 months ago
@kmcl11 Despicable blasphemy. There is not ONE WORD I've said that Jesus is against. Not one word. To try to encourage people to leave the faith because they stand up to your hate and lies is as unChristian as it is POSSIBLE for any act to be.
YOU are not a Christian, I am, and I'm acting like one, following the law of Jesus Christ, which you spit on and ignore.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 God also gives parents the choice to kill their teens.
kmcl11 8 months ago
@kmcl11 A sick and stupid lie. That's a preposterous comparison. A fetus and a "teen" are nowhere CLOSE to the same thing.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 "A fetus and a "teen" are nowhere CLOSE to the same thing. "
SHOW ME THE VERSE THAT ALLOWS A WOMEN TO KILL HER FETUS?
kmcl11 8 months ago
@kmcl11 Abortion is never once mentioned one way or the other in scripture. However, "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you" is obviously applicable. Were YOU in a situation of an unwanted pregnancy, you would NOT want the government forcing you to stay pregnancy, forcing you to deliver an unwanted pregnancy, robbing you of the RIGHT to control your own body. There is nothing Christian about being anti-choice.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 You are a feel good xtian., not a real one. You smoke drink, have sex and declare youare saved b.c you love people. What bullshit!
kmcl11 8 months ago
@kmcl11 What blasphemy. Being a Christian has NOTHING to do AT ALL with smoking (which I do NOT do) drinking (which I very rarely do) OR having sex!
JESUS CHRIST said the law of God is to love others. I didn't, JESUS did. This BULL of being a Christian being about this puritan ideal of "holiness" is crap, and that being a Christian means forcing that stupid ideal on OTHERS is the polar opposite of the truth.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 lol...your ass needs to decide what you believe. The human that god is forming in a womans body is there b/c the lord made that child. When you decide to kill that child and spill it's blood, it is murder. Furthermore I cannot picture jesus christ as an abortion doctor. Killing his own creation. What insanity!
feldman30012 8 months ago
@feldman30012 No, I don't, my beliefs are solid and not a problem at all. Your claim that "God made that child, so abortion is a sin" is the same one they used to deny women access to birth control, the absurd claim that "God made sex solely for procreation". Those beliefs are NOT held by all, and forcing them on others is not only unChristian, it's unconstitutional. It's not murder in any way. There is no such thing as an "abortion doctor" there are women's health providers, God blesses them.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 You beliefs are a joke. As for your poor analogy about deny women birth control, the two cannot be compared. A woman going to kill her child is not the same thing as a woman using a condom. I dont know where the hell you are going with that one. And yes you dummy, there is such thing as an abortion doctor. DR Tiller only performed abortions, he did not deliver any babies. You are clearly way too young to understand this issue. And you call yourself christian. What a joke.
feldman30012 8 months ago
@feldman30012 My beliefs are shaped by Martin Luther King and Jesus Christ and are NOT a "joke". It's not a "poor analogy" it's the truth. A woman does NOT kill a child, and YES abortion IS part of comprehensive family family. There is NO SUCH THING as an "abortion doctor" Dr. Tiller was a courageous WOMEN'S HEALTH PROVIDER who saved many, many lives. I understand this issue FAR better than you, and resent the BLASPHEMY of you calling my faith in the Lord a "joke".
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 "are shaped by Martin Luther King and Jesus Christ "
A LIE!
"It's not a "poor analogy" it's the truth"
A LIE
You are a very confused liberal xitan.
"There is NO SUCH THING as an "abortion doctor" "
Then what the fuck was he retard.He was a man who performed abortions! I am sure jesus christ who said 'suffer the children" would be so proud looking at a baby a nine months being killed. You are so funny!
feldman30012 8 months ago
@feldman30012 What a despicable, blasphemous liar you are. My views WERE shaped by King and Jesus. That's NOT a lie. I'm not REMOTELY confused, and I am a Christian, not a "liberal Christian". Your vile slur towards disabled people shows YOU lacking in Christian love.
The ONLY abortions in the 9th month were on NON-VIABLE FETUSES to preserve the life and health of the mother, and they are NOT "babies". You think it's 'funny'? Since your radical, bigoted views got him MURDERED, I do not.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 When your dumb ass finds the verse supporiting sex out of marriage and gay marriage I will be shocked.
kmcl11 8 months ago
@kmcl11 I've given the Christian response repeatedly to this. You ignore it. Having sex outside of marriage is not a sin. Gay people getting married is not a sin. Your vile, hateful, unChristian bigotry is. Instead of using out of context verses as weapons of hate, Christians are to follow one simple law--love your neighbor.
You refuse to do so.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Find me all the verses in the bible supporting 9 month terminations...lol
AHAHAHAHA What a joke you are! In the bible 'picking up sticks' on the sabbath was a punishable act. Yet having someone cut off the arms of a baby is not! AHAHAHAHHA You are fucking crazy!
feldman30012 8 months ago
@feldman30012 The Bible never mentions abortion one way or the other, nor did I say "9 month terminations", again the anti-choice radicals CANNOT debate this issue honestly. You're not even attempting to be honest about this, yet claim I'm "crazy" for asking for simple equality for women.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 christian love? The bible has a rule for everything. How a christians should speak ,, beleive and behave. There is more to your dumb religion that love. You are vry young or stupid and have a lot to learn.
feldman30012 8 months ago
@feldman30012 God does have ONE rule, which applies to everything--"love your neighbor." That's the rule. That's how Christians should speak, believe and behave. THAT is what our faith is about, and there's nothing remotely "dumb" about it. I'm not young, nor am I stupid. I've preached, taught, and been part of this faith for many decades. YOU, on the other hand, don't know the first thing about what Christianity really is about.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 "--"love your neighbor." That's the rule. That's how Christians should speak, believe "
WHAT OTHER RULES DO YOU KNOW? ANY RULES ABOUT BEHVAVIOR...YES YOU ARE VERY YOUNG...OR MENTALLY CHALLENGED!
feldman30012 8 months ago
@feldman30012 Lie. I am NOT very young, and it's a despicable, offensive LIE to say someone is "mentally challenged" for repeating the words of Jesus Christ. Jesus said love your neighbor is THE law, not a law, THE law. ALL rules are based in that. There IS no "other rules".
Romans 13:8-10 confirms this. There is ONE law--love your neighbor.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
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@PrisonerNumber9653 YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT JESUS! NOTHING!
kmcl11 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 What else do you know about your religion besides love? You are so lost.
feldman30012 8 months ago
@feldman30012 I'm not REMOTELY "lost". I've been teaching and preaching the Christian faith for decades. That the LAW of God is love your neighbor is not something I made up, it's the words of Jesus Christ.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 You are a waste of time
kmcl11 8 months ago
@kmcl11 Because I'll see through whatever lies you try to snow me with. You claim I don't know anything about Christianity, about as preposterous a falsehood as it's possible to make. So, as you're trying to promote this monstrous lie that there's something Christian about puritanism or homophobia, yeah it is a waste of time trying to get me to support than bunkum, because I know it's not true.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653
"I have been teaching and preaching the faith for years"
REALLY! Hard to believe. I bet you only read one book. I bet you dont read the whole bible.
feldman30012 8 months ago
@feldman30012 Lie. I have read every single word, repeatedly. You have YET to show one word I've said to be factually inaccurate, UNLIKE your compete and utter LIE that Leviticus says to "stone homos" OR that it was written by God.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 everything you haev written is a lie! The god of the bible never is ref. to in the feminin, neither is he a god that will send everyone to heaven. Leave your religion. Adn be a true heathen. Why do you even belive?
feldman30012 8 months ago
@feldman30012 No, in fact not one word I've written is untrue. God is as much feminine as masculine, the Bible refers to God as a man because men wrote the book. God doesn't have a penis, God is not a man.
Yes, God WILL send everyone to heaven. Like this preposterous myth that God is a man, people made up "hell" to try to scare others into believing what they wanted them to. Faith in God solely to prevent being in "hell" is self-serving and worthless.
I will NOT leave my Lord.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
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@PrisonerNumber9653 "Like this preposterous myth that God is a man, people made up "hell" to try to scare others into believing what they wanted them to."
Again why do you choose to make this god a female? There are no stories of female heros or god ever being called a sher? Why do you feel the need to make god female.? Maybe you care part of some feminist christian cult.
feldman30012 8 months ago
@feldman30012 Why do I believe? Because God believed in ME. Because God sent Jesus Christ for me, for all of us.
The insane BS of ONLY believing because "otherwise I'll go to hell" is selfish and shallow. You're only doing it for yourself, and that's the exact OPPOSITE of what Christianity is supposed to be.
In the Hindu tradition, there was a deity named Avekitiswara (probably blew the name bad, something like that) who acheived Nirvana but refused to go to stay and help OTHERS get there.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 You dont know if god belived in you. You have no proof. And for heaven and hell. The whole bible should be questioned not just those 2 doctrines. The parting of the seas, the elijah story, the virgin birth. All of it.
feldman30012 8 months ago
@feldman30012 Of course I do. And while I do question the whole bible, when it comes to the most basic points--God's law being to love your neighbor, forgiveness and grace, God's love for us, Christ's incredible sacrifice and perfect example--for me, the answer is yes. The parting of the sea? Absolutely not. Elijah story? No. Virgin birth? I doubt it. Which doesn't reduce God's greatness or Christ's importance one tiny bit.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 "God's love for us, Christ's incredible sacrifice and perfect example--for me, the answer is yes. The parting of the sea? Absolutely not. Elijah story? No. Virgin birth? I doubt it. "
WOW So you reject the whole idea of miracles but still believe in jesus? What a contradiction. I feel bad for your level of ignorance.
feldman30012 8 months ago
@feldman30012 I don't entirely reject the idea of miracles. I reject the parting of the sea because it was followed by the sea closing up, essentially God murdering an entire army of people. I don't think Mary being a virgin has a thing to do with why Jesus was and is important.
There's nothing REMOTELY contradictory about my beliefs, Christ is important as an example of love, not as a magician doing tricks. There's nothing "ignorant" about it.
By the way, it's also the view of Thomas Jefferson
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Yes it is important if she was a virgin. The bible says if he is the messiah he is to be born of a virgin. You are ignorant. And who cares what Jefferson thought. He was not a bible scholar or a practising christian.
feldman30012 8 months ago
@feldman30012 IF this manmade idea of "some people go up, some people go (add ominous reverb to voice) doooowwwnnnnn" were true, a TRUE Christian would stand at the gate and give their place to someone else. That sacrifice, NOT caring for yourself, covering your own ass, but a gift of perfect love to OTHERS, that is the act of a true Christian. I'm obviously not Hindu, but that story stuck with me, a compassion, a love for OTHERS which Jesus told us was the root of true faith.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Listen you fool. you have already blashphemed god by stating scraping out a growing fetus is okay,,,even if it is full term! You are dumb and a joke! You also dont know what 'blaspheme' is! When you find the verse on homo marriage and sex out of wedlock then you will make sense. None of what you sayi is xtian. You are playing a trick on us....bye
kmcl11 8 months ago
@kmcl11 Liar, I have NOT "blasphemed" by telling the TRUTH. The Bible NEVER ONCE mentions abortion. It's not a sin. I know very well what blasphemy is, know VERY well that the Bible does not ever say only heterosexuals can marry, your homophobia and sexism are NOT Christian.
EVERYTHING I say is Christian. Love your neighbor is our LAW, and neither your homophobia nor your refusal to grant equal rights to women is loving or Christian.
PrisonerNumber9653 8 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 YOYU ARE A WRETCHED LIEAR! YOU DIDNT GIVE ANY VERSES ON YOUR FOOLSISH BELIEFS. "know VERY well that the Bible does not ever say only heterosexuals can marry, your homophobia and sexism are NOT Christian.
SHOW ME THE VERSES THAT ALLOW HOMOS TO MARRY. YOUR GOD IS HOMOPHOPIC. READ REVELATION. YOU ARE A FUCKING WASTE OF TIME AND VERY UNEDUCATED. YOU DONT KNOW WHAT BLASPHEMY IS! YOU DONT KNOW YOUR BIBLE. GOD HAS MANY RULES OUTSIDE OF LOVE! IDIOT! WHEN YOU GROW UP YOU WILL SEE.
kmcl11 8 months ago