Farhaan you are talking about leaving this blessed community? Why not look into the beliefs and dig deeper into what the Holy Quran is saying and you will then realize that our belief regarding Isa (a.s) and Khatamun Nabiyyen (s.a.w) is supported by the Holy Quran itself. Infact Ahmadi Muslims are the ones who give this high status to our beloved Holy Prophet (s.a.w).
All I'm saying is that you clearly have many misconceptions due to your lack of complete understanding.
u're going to be taught "a response". No matter what, you'll agree with it. You are taught “responses” as well”. Why is it a problem for you if this is the case with me which is in fact not. So, your assumption is not correct. I am taught to do my own research and share it with the others. This is the best way to keep the gained knowledge in your mind.
However, if I am searching for a verse for example and don't remember the chapter number than I ask my relatives for support. Most of my family members have a small library of their own. We often exchange books with each other.
Normally I don't generalize anything, but in this case I am permitted to do so. I have been following the discussions between Ahmadi and non Ahmadi Muslims for a long time in youtube. After all I have observed, I can take stock of it. In German I would rather say “Ich kann meine Bilanz ziehen”. There may be some non Ahmadis who don't abuse like yourself, but they are exceptions.
Ahmadis use abusives language as well, however in exceptional situations as a counter attack.
@sadiasum82 sadia if u follow pro. muhamad.s.a.w. then why u dnt follow his words? ok leave this topic. im from afghanistan nd i have qustion. if u dnt have any answr u can ask from ur leaders. can u qadiani proof that mirza was a nice nd shareef man? just proof it.its my challenge to all qadiani? he saw naked women in his dreams. he use bad langauge like harami nd kamina ghashti etc etc. even he use bad words abuot Allah. aztak firullah. this is my face book id latiful haq. if u wanna talk to m
I have been feeling a kind of change in your tune and to a small degree in your words as well. What is the matter? Either you are not the same person or there is someone now who has started influencing or supporting you. Whether I am right or wrong I will never know it unless you give me a true answer what you wouldn't do, I guess. I mean you wouldn't answer this question of mine at all.
Since the beginning of our discussion you have been asking me questions and I have been in a defending position. You have been constantly avoiding answering to my questions. Why? Why couldn't you give references.
@sadiasum82 Probably because you write 10-15 messages at once, and I only read the top 1 or 2 every 5th day of the week. Email me for guaranteed answers.
Which references in particular do you want me to provide? I *ALWAYS* make sure what I say can be cited and referenced.
Finally! Thanks for the reference. I will look it up which is not very difficult as almost all of his books are available on the homepage of the community.
“Probably because you write 10-15 messages at once, and I only read the top 1 or 2 every 5th day of the week”. You are exaggerating brother. (Me “the Kafir” (from your perspective) is calling you “the Kafir” (from my perspective) “brother”. How dare I? ☺sorry)
I check my massages, e-mails etc. one to twice a day. The places where I go has Internet access as well. I don't have a lap top, but I would like to buy one. What I wouldn't do is to use the internet during a lecture. My friend does it and while sitting beside her I am afraid all the time that the professor will get angry at her.☺She can do both things at a time and I miss half of the lecture because of her.☺Sorry, I cannot e-mail you.
As far as your allegations about him are concerned, I have already said more than once that you need to give an exact references. Ask your friend to give you the references. I will look it up. We Ahmadis follow the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) more than you do.
There is a tv. program called "Rah-e-Huda" where all the questions about Islam Ahmadiyyat are live answered. It is broadcasted on every Saturday evening according to European time.
The answers were based on your video or the questions? I have been watching Rah-e-Huda for quite a while. They normally start a topic than they receive live phone calls that can be heard by the viewers. People ask them questions which they subsequently answer.
Last week a non-Ahmadi lady from Pakistan called them. She said that she finds their program very impressive and she goes to her daughter to watch them. She was worried about the situation in Pakistan and requested them to do something. We Ahmadis can benefit Pakistan a lot, if the non Ahmadis tolerate us.
@sadiasum82 This, I agree with. I think all peoples can benefit Pakistan, a foreign country, in its time of crisis.
According to their statistics, the persecution on Ahmadis in Pakistan has significantly reduced, alhumdu lillah. Shi'a persecution is toning down too, but its still there. Mostly political.
What's still going on strong is persecution against Christians in Pakistan. THAT needs to be stopped.
@farhan00 I for example started my study with the intention of serving my country after it is complete. However, after the attack on our mosques, whereby more than 100 people were killed, I realized how unrealistic and naive my intention was. My cousin was in the mosque as the attack happened.
@sadiasum82 There was an attack on an Ahmadi Center more than a year ago. In the mean time, there have been dozens of attacks on masjids throughout the same country - killing hundreds.
Violence against Ahmadis is wrong, I agree. But if you zoom out, you'll see that their persecution against Shi'as and Christians in Pakistan is BY FAR worse than it is against Ahmadis. Not a little, by far.
They advertise their persecution to get members emotionally attached.
Significantly reduced? No, on the contrary it has increased. Half of my family is living in Pakistan. One of my cousins, she is a doctor. She has been receiving threatening phone calls and have therefore decided to leave the country. Another doctor acquaintance of mine has changed his department twice because of the threatening phone calls. Many of Ahmadi doctors had already been killed.
@farhan00 In Faisalabad they have been expelling Ahmadis from schools. Almost every Friday we hear from our caliph that this and that Ahmadi in Pakistan is being killed. (This is by no means to “advertise”, but to pray their Jenasa.) We cannot hold our meeting in Rabwah. The women and children cannot leave their homes because of threats.
They burned the houses of Ahmadis in different cities. A acquaintance of mine also received threats to burn his shop and house. He therefore left his home town.
It depends how you define the word “Advertise”. If you except from us to get killed and to say to the killers afterwards “thank you very much for killing our loved ones” than I am sorry, we cannot fulfill such an expectation. Not every Ahmadi is well informed about the situation in Pakistan. I could tell you these details because the person affected are my own relatives. If there were any kind of advertisement than everybody were well informed about it.
God has made a human to gain knowledge and use it for the good. That does not mean make accusations without having accuired the right skills to infer and deduce literature.
That what u do because beside bad words and swearing you don't have any thing to say who say kafir dude he is from god so if ur his inkari then ur HMSW inkari and god inkari too
Mashallah brother farhan. I myself was really without a belief system and then influenced by a long time by an Ahmadi. I almost accepted it until I decided to do all my research with all respect to all sides of the argument. Now I am a devout muslim, and I share with everyone the errors and falsehood of Ahmadiyyat.
From the Hadith of Abu Hurairah in Muslim, we learn that the promised Messiah will perform Hajj and Umrah from a place called Rawha. Poor lier Mirza had no chance to visit saudi arabia. Because Prophet said dajjal cannot enter makkah or madina.
Very good Mashallah remeber the Kalima says 2nd part Mohammadur rasool allah ask your self are you from the Ummat of muhamdur rasool allah if yes youre on the right path if not, recite the kalim a1000 times and pay attention to the 2nd half. and now ask are you from the ummat ?
Dude, if Mirza Ghulam Ahmad(as) was a liar, why are his prophecies fulfilled? why did he always win the Mubahala challenges? why is his followers making such a progress? You will come up with the stuff "yeah but all of his challengers didnt die", because it was always informed to them " Repent, repent". And they repented , and Allah saved them. You need to wake up, study your own beliefs, wich are against the Quran - Jesus(as) in heaven etc, 30 verses in Quran confirms his death. Wake up
@farhan00 really? How? by persecuting and killing Ahmadis? really? you call that victory. or do you call misguiding one or two confused Ahmadi youths into leaving Ahmadiyyat a victory? where one unfortunate person leaves, 100 more join. you flatter yourself too much. however, Islam Ahmadiyyat is certainly Winning. Alhamdolillah :)
Actually, its quite the opposite. In recent times, many many Ahmadis are embracing Islam while conversion the other way around is significantly less. Islam is winning. Conversely, what I've noticed is that many Ahmadis are becoming atheists or embracing secular ideologies.
@farhan00 all right so since u sound so confident, tell me one thing. did 400,000 people leave Ahmadiyyat this year? you seem to know it all. all i know is that 400,000 did join Ahmadiyyat this year.
So, how much more above 200 million are you guys now?
I find it interesting how they maintain detailed records of their membership, yet are unable to provide a country-by-country breakdown to justify their "200 million worldwide" claim.
@farhan00 yeah i know you're so jealous :) a little more than 400,000 this year alone :) May Allah continue to guide Muslims to Islam Ahmadiyyat. Ameen
@farhan00 May Allah continue to guide "Muslims" to the right path, you seem so confident in your believe, that Jesus(as) is in the heavens, and has been there, for over 2000years. And that Muhammad SAAW is the last Prophet. Jesus will come down = he is the last prophet, according to you. He is in heaven = I present 30 verses from Quran that proves he (as) is dead. Fear Allah, figure out what is right please, do not waste your life believing in fairy tales - Allah will surely ask you.
@farhan00 Ahmadiyya is Islam. And yes, Islam Ahmadiyyat is winning over the "hell-bound" sects, not by little, but by far. With the help of Allah. Alhamdolillah.
"Whoever observes Prayer in the same way as we do, and declares our qibla to be his qibla [i.e., faces the same direction in Prayer as we do]; one who eats from our dhabiha [i.e., the meat of our slaughtered animals] such a one is a Muslim. To protect such a person is a matter of obligation for God and His Messenger. So, [O ye Muslims!] make sure that you do not violate the obligation from God."
THOSE AHMADIYYAS ARE SO DUMB I CANT BELIEVE IT, I EVEN KNOW THAT THE LAST PROPHET IS MUHAMMAD BPUH AND THAT THE MESSIAS WILL COME AND FREE THE WORLD FROM THE ANTI-CHRIST AND THATS THE BIGGEST PROOF THAT MIRZA WAS A LIAR BECAUSE HE HASNT FREE MY WORLD FROM THE UNBELIEVERS OR THE ANTI-CHRIST, IN FACT, THE ANTI-CHRIST HASNT EVEN COME! AND ALL HIS PROPHECIES TURNED AGAINST HIM SUBHANALLAH I DONT WANNE KNOW WHAT KIND OF PUNISHMENT HE GOT IN THE PAST 100 YEARS
@mrsminho anti christ means he will reject the belief of living Jesus(as), Jesus is not living God but a prophet who's died ..I can't get it why you deny our Prophet Mohamad(was)'s prophecies about Imam mahdi???why you deny Him(saw) and you still wanna call yourself muslim? It's clear like a broad day light that HMGA(as) is Imam Mahdi and umati-prophet fortold by Him(saw)..how Jesus(as) who is a law bearing prophet can come without breaking seal of ProphetHood of Hazrat Mohamad(saw)?
ain't You waiting for Imam Mahdi and Jesus to come to creat "something" for you..?????? only we are true muslims, Only we believe in Imam Mahdi prophesied by our Prophet Moammad(saw)...........
@xiaahmad Our prophet mohamad(saw) said "there is no mahdi but Issa(as)"
FYI there is a consensus among the Muslims and it is supported by the ahadees that the Promised Messiah would be a prophet. (Ahl-i-Hadees, 29 November 1966).
First do some homework before opening your mouth otherwise keep it shut..We are muslims and no one can take Islam from us...you and your generations and generations will keep waiting and waiting for Imam Mahdi no one is gonna come ever.
"What will be your condition when the son of Mary will descend among you and he will be your Imam from among yourselves." (Bukhari, Kitabul Anbiya, Bab Nazool Isa)
Please read carefully and understand: the meaning is quite clear that both son of mary and Imam Mahdi would be ONE, or the son of mary will be the Mahdi!
No need to get emotional; all I ask is that you take the physical assention out of the picture and then think about it logically.
As a Muslim one should learn and understand the Quran for a direct connection with Allah subhanathallah; we should not just accept what our forefathers have left behind.
Surely understanding and learning Quran has higher status; The Quran testifies all Prophets before Nabi (sa) have passed away without a distinction.
If Jesus (as) comes from the sky, and Imam Mahdi from earth.........that would refute the unity and oneness established by Islam......
• ALL THE CHRISTIANS WOULD RUN TO THE MASSIH, AND ALL THE MUSLIMS TO THE MAHDI: CREATING TWO LEADERS IN THE WORLD!
Why would there be split leadership after it was unified under Islam by Allah through the Prophet (sa)?......."There will only be one Imam for the entire umma"
IF DEFENDING ISLAM WAS EASY: WHY WOULD THERE BE A NEED FOR A MAHDI?
Christians will say we win our "god" came; therefore Christians will boast for superiority. It seems counterintuitive Akhi that when it is time for the cross to be shattered this would precipitate as some sort of victory for the Christians. Hence hinder unity under one leader and imam.
The Quran testifies that ALL prophets before Prophet (sa) have passed away.
Quran holds higher authority than hadith; this was another major ambiguity which the Promised Messiah (as) corrected for the umma.
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Think about it Akhi: why would a reformer be required & necessary after a perfect religion and guidance was given to mankind as Islam through the Quran revealed to the most beloved of Allah The Holy Prophet (sa) Khatim al-Nabiyyeen.
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BECAUSE MUSLIMS WOULD BE IN GRAVE ERROR AND IN NEED OF GUIDANCE!
do u even know how many ppl claimed to be messiah? are all of them truthful? just coz u follow him dont makes him truthful
and Yes I have read that verse and that hadith infact if u read the hadith closely in that Prophet (PUBH) said Men or man (so multiple person prophet(PUBH) talked about) that hadith it self refute ur claims
unless u now have started to believe that there are multiple messiahs as well :)
Without too much hard work I found that there were five men in various parts of the world, in the 19th century, who claimed to be the Messiah, or a Prophet;
yes dear I have read it. where in verse or that Salman Farsi Hadith with it mentions Messiah?
Infact the hadith says Men or Man among them(salman al farsi) which shows it is not even about ONE person :)
your jammat just give you something and u believe it without even reading it properly please the the Surah and verse and hadith that goes with it and also tafsirs of the verse :)
THE PROPHET (sa) PUT HIS HAND ON SALMAN AL FARSI……..AND YES THE ARABI DOES IMPLY MORE THAN ONE PERSON; ALTHOUGH AN ISSUE WHICH THE NON-AHMADIS RAISE AS WEAK.
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MORE THAN ONE MAKES SENSE; WHEN KHILAFAT IS TO BE RESTABLISHED, MORE THAN ONE PIOUS PERSON WOULD BE RAISED IN THE LATTER DAYS…. ;)
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MORE IMPORTANTLY THESE “AKHAREEN” WILL HAVE SIMILAR STATUS TO “AWALEEN” MEANING THE PROPHET (sa) AND KHULFA’E RASHADEEN. ;)
also do u even know that how many ppl claimed to be Messiah? and muslims and Islam refuted them all?
as u can see that in neither QURAN nor Hadith any other Messiah is mentioned. plus MGA is not even mentioned as well
so the donkey example u gave fits MGA perfectly who write 83+ books but still lack basic knowledge of Islam made false claims which goes against the teaching of Islam and still u blindly believe him sad.
SO WHY IS ALLAH CLEARLY RELATING THE AKHAREEN TO THE AWALEEN; MEANING THERE STATUS IS GOING TO BE THE SAME........WHICH WAS THE CONFUSION WHICH THE SAHABA ASKED THE PROPHET (sa).......WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE OF THE SAME STATUS BUT HAVE NOT YET JOINED THE PROPHET (sa)
I CANNOT GET ALL MY COMMENTS TO POST; ANYHOW THEY ARE THE EXACT REPLIES WHICH I GAVE TO THE SAME QUESTION POSTED EARLIER TODAY BY XIA ON OTHER CHANNELS ;)
But when his signs will get complete people will believe in his according to Hadith and MGA failed to fulfill any of the sign
plus his claims even gose against Islam beliefs like being prophet, being mahdi and messiah at same time(which i proved), being baroz of prophet(PUBH) etc
The Prophet (sa) sent his salaam to the Mahdi and also related the hadith about the prophet (sa) at one end and the Mahdi at the other end, is how Islam will be safeguarded.
@xiaahmad he fulfilled them all but you will not be able to see it with closed eyes. Wake up please, first of all; study your own beliefs, are you with the Quran, or against it? because surely, the Quran never states that Jesus(as) is alive. After studying your own beliefs, you can go and to Dawaah. But most of the "Muslims" doesnt understand their beliefs, they are indeed against the Quran.
@xiaahmad he fulfilled them all, but you are, as said, stuck up in words. Stuck up in one fulfillment, look at the others. You are making it look like Jesus(as) would come to do Hajj. Please wake up, and give me the references to the hadith, and i will answer you
i gave the reference before and will provide u reference again
and I am sure best u can come up with is that it was metaphorical :)
any one can claim that they fulfilled signs metaphorically:
"By Him in Whose Hand is my life, Ibn Maryam (ESA(AS)) would certainly pronounce Talbiyah for Hajj or for Umrah or for both (simultaneously as a Qarin) in the valley of Rawha."
@xiaahmad my dear friend, Hajj is necesarry if one can perform it, or if wealth permits. Ahmad(as) could not perform it, wealth did not permit him to. I read it very carefully, and please, do not get stuck up in words. Try to use common sense, and logic. May Allah guide you
@donshery He did not have the wealth? ...what? Says who?
The man begged people for money to write books, he dressed in well-to-do clothes, he was from a well-off family, he had many followers, etc. Are you saying such a man could not perform Hajj?
btw, one of Imam Mahdi's signs is that he takes the Bay'ah at the Ka'ba. But, the Murabbis don't like to teach their followers that.
@farhan00 Yes indeed, he did not have the wealth. He had many followers, so did Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa SAAW, did SAAW force them to pay him? as did not the Promised Messiah(as), he was from a well family, but the property was not his. He did not beg anyone, but Allah. Oh, please give me the references. He did take Bay´ah.
@donshery Yes, the narration that Imam Mahdi will take the Bay'ah at the Ka'ba is in Sunan Abu Dawud in "Kitab al-Mahdi". It also says that the Mahdi will be "forced" to take the Bay'ah after he flees Madinah to Makkah. Did Mirza do either? Contact me via messages for more details.
Mirza invented the Chanda scheme and begged people for money to write 50 books. He had money, but refused to perform Hajj. The Prophet SAAWS died with only meger possessions in his house but did Hajj. He was better
@farhan00 i will never, Alhamdoliilah, contact you about information. Your information is wrong. Ahmad(as) invented the chanda system to make us who we are today, by the grace of Allah. Where does the chanda money goes? 15+thousands mosques, 500+ school, and 50+ hospitals. Does not that says it all? Wake up dude, you are misguided and misguiding people. Briefly, tell me your beliefs. Do you believe Jesus(as) is in the heavens? please do tell :) May Allah guide you to the right path
MGA had lot of money he consider him self and his family to be Raies of qadian
So you agree that Mirza Ghulam failed to fulfill the sign of Haj mentioned for ESA(AS) by prophet (PUBH)?
By Him in Whose Hand is my life, Ibn Maryam (ESA(AS)) would certainly pronounce Talbiyah for Hajj or for Umrah or for both (simultaneously as a Qarin) in the valley of Rawha."
(Sahih Muslim, Book 7 H 2877)
Prophet Muhammad (PUBH) mentions that Ibn Maryam(AS) "WOULD" do Talbiyah for Hajj.
@xiaahmad according to you, he was worlds richest man. Please, stop arguing on Youtube, if you want some righteous information, study the Quran & hadith; and i can conclude with the fact that your understanding of the Quran & the hadith is wrong, so i am stopping contacting you, i would advise you to study the Quran alone, please, for the love of Allah, accept the fact that Jesus(as), like any other Messenger, is dead. I present 30 verses, fear Allah man, may Allah guide you to the right path
By Him in Whose Hand is my life, Ibn Maryam (ESA(AS)) would certainly pronounce Talbiyah for Hajj or for Umrah or for both (simultaneously as a Qarin) in the valley of Rawha."
(Sahih Muslim, Book 7 H 2877)
Mirza ghulam never went to valley of Rawha nor he did pronounce Talbiyah for Hajj
@xiaahmad i have my dear friend, now please, open your eyes, your ears & your mind. Be open minded, this is what Muhammad Mustafa SAAW said to us, do not be ignorant, he said to us to not be. Read the Quran & the Hadith, understand it, stay up for hours, days, months, years, and do dua all the time. Ask Allah if Ahmad(as) is (God forbid) false, or is he really the Promised Messiah & Mahdi(as)
May Allah guide you to the right path. You dont even understand this particular hadith. Ameen
@farhan00 AA Bro,You are so Wrong Here, First correct your concepts,What you say is so totally busted,You refer to Ahmadi's converting to Islam,you could say AhmadiMuslim converting to the Majority Version Of Islam, but if you refer to Ahmadiat as another religion you are insulting the holy Prophet Of Islam (P.B.U.H) ,I consider you as Muslim,so if any of you converts to Ahmadiat,I would consider it as if a non Ahmadi Muslim has converted to the teachings of Islam as taught by Holy Prophet PBUH
@farhan00 You Are Naudhu Billah Insulting Prophet PBUH as if you Naudhu Billah posses more knowledge, In the course of fighting on one occasion an enemy combatant, when confronted with Usama bin Zaid, who was about to kill him, declared that he embraced Islam, but Usama killed him nevertheless.When this was reported to the Holy Prophet, he was greatly displeased and inquired from Usama, ‘Why did you kill him after he had declared his acceptance of Islam?’
@farhan00 Usama submitted, ‘Messenger of Allah, he merely said so out of fear. He was not sincere.’ The Holy Prophet retorted, ‘Had you cut open his heart to make sure whether he was sincere or not?’ The Holy Prophet went on repeating, ‘How will you justify your action before Allah on the Day of Judgment?’
@farhan00 SO fear Allah as we would return to him one day, dont try to cross the boundaries set out by Allah and his Prophet Mohammad(P.B.U.H) and try to Deliver verdicts on other Imaan as to who is Muslim and who is not.
We both have every right to believe we are correct , but for either one of us to say you recite Kalima but are not Muslim , is an Excess in the light of the Hadith quoted which no one should be willing to commit .
Allah will Judge on Day of Judgement as to who was right/wrong
@farhan00 AA,plz stop day dreaming & step in reality,It was the Molvi's who showered the Promised Messiah(as) with Non Muslim Fatwa's so there Kufar Fatwa's make them kaffir's as per the Hadith,so study history atleast as to who started this all and dont blindly follow what you are told,use some bains !!!
So you claim you can see inside our hearts that we are non muslims in the light of the Hadith told ?
Then my answer to you is SEE YOU ON DAY OF JUDGEMENT,ALLAH WILL DECIDE THIS INSHALLAH
@DulmialMalik In reality, it is your jahil Murabbis who have declared all Muslims kaafir, first before anyone from "our side" did so. Mullah Mirza Ghulam did so, so did Mullah Mirza Bashir.
@farhan00 AA this is typical of your side,having blind faith and not considering others arguments,We consider non ahmadi's as muslim,Is this not sufficient for you to believe what else do you want us to do to prove to to u dat we consider non ahmadies as muslim?Our Imams even lead Janaza prayers for non ahmadi's. My nonahmadi friends have offered Jummah salat in our mosque.
Whereas it is a crime to your Molvi's if ahmadi even says Salam,
So look what you do before pointing fingers to others!
@DulmialMalik No, Ahmadi Mullahs do not say Muslims are Muslims. I can prove it to you.
In the book "The Truth about the Split", by that Mullah Mirza Bashir, you can see that the mullah says anyone who does not believe Mullah Mirza Ghulam is not a prophet is a kaafir.
He says "Kaafir", "disbeliever", and "out of the pale of Islam", all three.
@farhan00 AA my religion is Islam , No Molvi or government has the right to declare me not so, if you dare to do so then you yourself become kaffir in light of the Hadith,
We accept non ahmadi's as Muslim what ever you say does not change the fact!
Try reading a page before and after the text you refered to & you will get the answer InshAllah
Your side had to go for Govt support to declare us non Muslim as if Allah is not sufficient for them NaudhuBillah!
@Exposingantiahmadiya JazakAllah for telling me, i was, slowly, but surely, understanding it, and i am concluding with the fact that it is pretty much people like this on youtube. I am not arguing with them anymore, how can i, when they dont even know the Quran & the hadith.
@AadamInsaan show me the evidences that shows that he never was ALLOWED to perform Hajj.
First of all, he had opponents all over. Secondly, Allah says that whoever is able to perform Hajj, must do so, he never was able ie - wealth was not so good as you would like it to be = not necesarry to perform Hajj if you dont have the money. Do some research before you lay allegations on people. He is a subordinate Prophet within the Prophethood of Muhammad SAAW, just as Jesus(as) is to Moses(as)
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Farhaan you are talking about leaving this blessed community? Why not look into the beliefs and dig deeper into what the Holy Quran is saying and you will then realize that our belief regarding Isa (a.s) and Khatamun Nabiyyen (s.a.w) is supported by the Holy Quran itself. Infact Ahmadi Muslims are the ones who give this high status to our beloved Holy Prophet (s.a.w).
All I'm saying is that you clearly have many misconceptions due to your lack of complete understanding.
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AhmadiMuslimForLife 1 month ago
Thank you for upload, farhan!
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Ahh, here we go, the Children of Prostitutes Reference. He called all Muslims "Dhuriyyat al-Baghayya"
The exact reference is Roohani Khazain, Volume 5, Page 547 and 548
Sorry for the delay. The standard response is "that's not filthy language".
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staminah123 2 months ago
@sadiasum82 Can you please answer me the following question:
Why did Mirza Ghulam say people who don't believe in him are the children of prostitutes? Exact words were "Durriyat al-Baghiyya".
farhan00 3 months ago
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I can answer your question, if you give me the exact reference. I will look it up then.
sadiasum82 2 months ago
@sadiasum82 Yah, you're going to be taught "a response". No matter what, you'll agree with it.
farhan00 2 months ago
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@farhan00
u're going to be taught "a response". No matter what, you'll agree with it. You are taught “responses” as well”. Why is it a problem for you if this is the case with me which is in fact not. So, your assumption is not correct. I am taught to do my own research and share it with the others. This is the best way to keep the gained knowledge in your mind.
sadiasum82 2 months ago
@farhan00
However, if I am searching for a verse for example and don't remember the chapter number than I ask my relatives for support. Most of my family members have a small library of their own. We often exchange books with each other.
sadiasum82 2 months ago
@sadiasum82 You can't say "Muslims use abusive language" and generalize us all. Instead, some Muslims do.
Its because they're weak and don't know their own religion.
farhan00 3 months ago
@farhan00
Normally I don't generalize anything, but in this case I am permitted to do so. I have been following the discussions between Ahmadi and non Ahmadi Muslims for a long time in youtube. After all I have observed, I can take stock of it. In German I would rather say “Ich kann meine Bilanz ziehen”. There may be some non Ahmadis who don't abuse like yourself, but they are exceptions.
Ahmadis use abusives language as well, however in exceptional situations as a counter attack.
sadiasum82 2 months ago
@sadiasum82 Mirza Ghulam used to curse at people, insult their parents, call them prostitutes and such, etc...
You know what the Ahmadiyya's standard defense is? These aren't curse words. I'm serious.
Just follow Muhammad صلى الله عليه و سلم, and accept that the Messiah is 'Esa bin Maryam عليه السلا.
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sadiasum82 2 months ago
@sadiasum82 sadia if u follow pro. muhamad.s.a.w. then why u dnt follow his words? ok leave this topic. im from afghanistan nd i have qustion. if u dnt have any answr u can ask from ur leaders. can u qadiani proof that mirza was a nice nd shareef man? just proof it.its my challenge to all qadiani? he saw naked women in his dreams. he use bad langauge like harami nd kamina ghashti etc etc. even he use bad words abuot Allah. aztak firullah. this is my face book id latiful haq. if u wanna talk to m
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sadiasum82 2 months ago
@farhan00
I have been feeling a kind of change in your tune and to a small degree in your words as well. What is the matter? Either you are not the same person or there is someone now who has started influencing or supporting you. Whether I am right or wrong I will never know it unless you give me a true answer what you wouldn't do, I guess. I mean you wouldn't answer this question of mine at all.
sadiasum82 2 months ago
@farhan00
Since the beginning of our discussion you have been asking me questions and I have been in a defending position. You have been constantly avoiding answering to my questions. Why? Why couldn't you give references.
sadiasum82 2 months ago
@sadiasum82 Probably because you write 10-15 messages at once, and I only read the top 1 or 2 every 5th day of the week. Email me for guaranteed answers.
Which references in particular do you want me to provide? I *ALWAYS* make sure what I say can be cited and referenced.
farhan00 2 months ago
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@farhan00
Finally! Thanks for the reference. I will look it up which is not very difficult as almost all of his books are available on the homepage of the community.
“Probably because you write 10-15 messages at once, and I only read the top 1 or 2 every 5th day of the week”. You are exaggerating brother. (Me “the Kafir” (from your perspective) is calling you “the Kafir” (from my perspective) “brother”. How dare I? ☺sorry)
sadiasum82 2 months ago
@farhan00
I check my massages, e-mails etc. one to twice a day. The places where I go has Internet access as well. I don't have a lap top, but I would like to buy one. What I wouldn't do is to use the internet during a lecture. My friend does it and while sitting beside her I am afraid all the time that the professor will get angry at her.☺She can do both things at a time and I miss half of the lecture because of her.☺Sorry, I cannot e-mail you.
sadiasum82 2 months ago
@farhan00
This time you sound more like yourself. Who was he who posted the previous comments from you behalf?☺
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@farhan00
As far as your allegations about him are concerned, I have already said more than once that you need to give an exact references. Ask your friend to give you the references. I will look it up. We Ahmadis follow the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) more than you do.
sadiasum82 2 months ago
There is a tv. program called "Rah-e-Huda" where all the questions about Islam Ahmadiyyat are live answered. It is broadcasted on every Saturday evening according to European time.
sadiasum82 3 months ago
@sadiasum82 Yah, I used to watch it. They've answered a few questions based on our videos.
farhan00 3 months ago
@farhan00
The answers were based on your video or the questions? I have been watching Rah-e-Huda for quite a while. They normally start a topic than they receive live phone calls that can be heard by the viewers. People ask them questions which they subsequently answer.
sadiasum82 3 months ago
@farhan00
Last week a non-Ahmadi lady from Pakistan called them. She said that she finds their program very impressive and she goes to her daughter to watch them. She was worried about the situation in Pakistan and requested them to do something. We Ahmadis can benefit Pakistan a lot, if the non Ahmadis tolerate us.
sadiasum82 3 months ago
@sadiasum82 This, I agree with. I think all peoples can benefit Pakistan, a foreign country, in its time of crisis.
According to their statistics, the persecution on Ahmadis in Pakistan has significantly reduced, alhumdu lillah. Shi'a persecution is toning down too, but its still there. Mostly political.
What's still going on strong is persecution against Christians in Pakistan. THAT needs to be stopped.
farhan00 3 months ago
@farhan00 I for example started my study with the intention of serving my country after it is complete. However, after the attack on our mosques, whereby more than 100 people were killed, I realized how unrealistic and naive my intention was. My cousin was in the mosque as the attack happened.
sadiasum82 3 months ago
@sadiasum82 There was an attack on an Ahmadi Center more than a year ago. In the mean time, there have been dozens of attacks on masjids throughout the same country - killing hundreds.
Violence against Ahmadis is wrong, I agree. But if you zoom out, you'll see that their persecution against Shi'as and Christians in Pakistan is BY FAR worse than it is against Ahmadis. Not a little, by far.
They advertise their persecution to get members emotionally attached.
farhan00 3 months ago
@farhan00
Significantly reduced? No, on the contrary it has increased. Half of my family is living in Pakistan. One of my cousins, she is a doctor. She has been receiving threatening phone calls and have therefore decided to leave the country. Another doctor acquaintance of mine has changed his department twice because of the threatening phone calls. Many of Ahmadi doctors had already been killed.
sadiasum82 3 months ago
@farhan00 In Faisalabad they have been expelling Ahmadis from schools. Almost every Friday we hear from our caliph that this and that Ahmadi in Pakistan is being killed. (This is by no means to “advertise”, but to pray their Jenasa.) We cannot hold our meeting in Rabwah. The women and children cannot leave their homes because of threats.
sadiasum82 3 months ago
@farhan00
They burned the houses of Ahmadis in different cities. A acquaintance of mine also received threats to burn his shop and house. He therefore left his home town.
sadiasum82 3 months ago
@farhan00
It depends how you define the word “Advertise”. If you except from us to get killed and to say to the killers afterwards “thank you very much for killing our loved ones” than I am sorry, we cannot fulfill such an expectation. Not every Ahmadi is well informed about the situation in Pakistan. I could tell you these details because the person affected are my own relatives. If there were any kind of advertisement than everybody were well informed about it.
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mrjack123789 4 months ago
God has made a human to gain knowledge and use it for the good. That does not mean make accusations without having accuired the right skills to infer and deduce literature.
starmeize 5 months ago
I agree with rahehuda1. You hearts have been turned away from the truth this is just sad really.
starmeize 5 months ago
Hey sir Salam
You what you guys do I will tell
Do u know who was abu jahal
That what u do because beside bad words and swearing you don't have any thing to say who say kafir dude he is from god so if ur his inkari then ur HMSW inkari and god inkari too
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Luqmanb04 8 months ago
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TheKhanmuslim 1 year ago 2
Mashallah brother farhan. I myself was really without a belief system and then influenced by a long time by an Ahmadi. I almost accepted it until I decided to do all my research with all respect to all sides of the argument. Now I am a devout muslim, and I share with everyone the errors and falsehood of Ahmadiyyat.
TheMrpalid 1 year ago
From the Hadith of Abu Hurairah in Muslim, we learn that the promised Messiah will perform Hajj and Umrah from a place called Rawha. Poor lier Mirza had no chance to visit saudi arabia. Because Prophet said dajjal cannot enter makkah or madina.
chinugee 1 year ago
Very good Mashallah remeber the Kalima says 2nd part Mohammadur rasool allah ask your self are you from the Ummat of muhamdur rasool allah if yes youre on the right path if not, recite the kalim a1000 times and pay attention to the 2nd half. and now ask are you from the ummat ?
missdejoir 1 year ago
you know i sometimes feel so so sorry for you really
your one of the most unlucky people i have ever seen in my life
RaheHuda1 1 year ago
brother, what is your name?
harmonious74 1 year ago
Dude, if Mirza Ghulam Ahmad(as) was a liar, why are his prophecies fulfilled? why did he always win the Mubahala challenges? why is his followers making such a progress? You will come up with the stuff "yeah but all of his challengers didnt die", because it was always informed to them " Repent, repent". And they repented , and Allah saved them. You need to wake up, study your own beliefs, wich are against the Quran - Jesus(as) in heaven etc, 30 verses in Quran confirms his death. Wake up
donshery 1 year ago
Ahmadis are Muslims dude. The true Muslims. Wake up
donshery 1 year ago
you remind me of abu jahl
Exposingantiahmadiya 1 year ago
u wil never win .... good luck with ur evilness
softwarexpose 1 year ago
@softwarexpose Islam IS winning against Ahmadism :-)
farhan00 1 year ago
@farhan00 really? How? by persecuting and killing Ahmadis? really? you call that victory. or do you call misguiding one or two confused Ahmadi youths into leaving Ahmadiyyat a victory? where one unfortunate person leaves, 100 more join. you flatter yourself too much. however, Islam Ahmadiyyat is certainly Winning. Alhamdolillah :)
aajb83 1 year ago
@aajb83
Actually, its quite the opposite. In recent times, many many Ahmadis are embracing Islam while conversion the other way around is significantly less. Islam is winning. Conversely, what I've noticed is that many Ahmadis are becoming atheists or embracing secular ideologies.
farhan00 1 year ago
@farhan00 all right so since u sound so confident, tell me one thing. did 400,000 people leave Ahmadiyyat this year? you seem to know it all. all i know is that 400,000 did join Ahmadiyyat this year.
aajb83 1 year ago
@aajb83
Oh really, 400,000!
So, how much more above 200 million are you guys now?
I find it interesting how they maintain detailed records of their membership, yet are unable to provide a country-by-country breakdown to justify their "200 million worldwide" claim.
May Allah continue to guide Ahmadis to Islam!
farhan00 1 year ago
@farhan00 yeah i know you're so jealous :) a little more than 400,000 this year alone :) May Allah continue to guide Muslims to Islam Ahmadiyyat. Ameen
aajb83 1 year ago
@farhan00 May Allah continue to guide "Muslims" to the right path, you seem so confident in your believe, that Jesus(as) is in the heavens, and has been there, for over 2000years. And that Muhammad SAAW is the last Prophet. Jesus will come down = he is the last prophet, according to you. He is in heaven = I present 30 verses from Quran that proves he (as) is dead. Fear Allah, figure out what is right please, do not waste your life believing in fairy tales - Allah will surely ask you.
donshery 1 year ago
@aajb83
Could You or others from Jamaat Ahmadiya provide what the number is (how many persons ) are there in the Jamaat ??
And provide it with valid independent source.
AadamInsaan 1 year ago
@farhan00 Ahmadiyya is Islam. And yes, Islam Ahmadiyyat is winning over the "hell-bound" sects, not by little, but by far. With the help of Allah. Alhamdolillah.
donshery 1 year ago
For some the terrorist attacks were personal!
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No need for such exploitation!
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toppsypoppsy 1 year ago
Its not Ahmadism its Islam Ahmadiyyat!
maybe you should be called wahabi or wahabism.
Exposingantiahmadiya 1 year ago
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"Whoever observes Prayer in the same way as we do, and declares our qibla to be his qibla [i.e., faces the same direction in Prayer as we do]; one who eats from our dhabiha [i.e., the meat of our slaughtered animals] such a one is a Muslim. To protect such a person is a matter of obligation for God and His Messenger. So, [O ye Muslims!] make sure that you do not violate the obligation from God."
(Sahih Bukhari, Kitabus Salat, Babu Fadli Istiqbalil Qiblati, Hadith No. 391.)
ahmadi1987 1 year ago
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@xiaahmad ''MGA said at one place that he hate christians so much''
Thanks for the reference i really do appreciate that you actually came with some proof (finally).
You also translated it pretty good, thumbs up for that. But, you did not understand it very well. Ill explain in my next part of the comment why:
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Qibano 1 year ago
THOSE AHMADIYYAS ARE SO DUMB I CANT BELIEVE IT, I EVEN KNOW THAT THE LAST PROPHET IS MUHAMMAD BPUH AND THAT THE MESSIAS WILL COME AND FREE THE WORLD FROM THE ANTI-CHRIST AND THATS THE BIGGEST PROOF THAT MIRZA WAS A LIAR BECAUSE HE HASNT FREE MY WORLD FROM THE UNBELIEVERS OR THE ANTI-CHRIST, IN FACT, THE ANTI-CHRIST HASNT EVEN COME! AND ALL HIS PROPHECIES TURNED AGAINST HIM SUBHANALLAH I DONT WANNE KNOW WHAT KIND OF PUNISHMENT HE GOT IN THE PAST 100 YEARS
mrsminho 1 year ago
@mrsminho anti christ means he will reject the belief of living Jesus(as), Jesus is not living God but a prophet who's died ..I can't get it why you deny our Prophet Mohamad(was)'s prophecies about Imam mahdi???why you deny Him(saw) and you still wanna call yourself muslim? It's clear like a broad day light that HMGA(as) is Imam Mahdi and umati-prophet fortold by Him(saw)..how Jesus(as) who is a law bearing prophet can come without breaking seal of ProphetHood of Hazrat Mohamad(saw)?
nooria01 1 year ago
Ahmadies must leave ahmadiaism and come to Islam
coz ahmadism was created 120+ years ago where as ISLAM was completed 1400+ years ago
so think about it and stop following this cult of Mirza Ghulam and his sons
xiaahmad 1 year ago
@xiaahmad ..Ahmadies must leave ahmadiaism ????
ain't You waiting for Imam Mahdi and Jesus to come to creat "something" for you..?????? only we are true muslims, Only we believe in Imam Mahdi prophesied by our Prophet Moammad(saw)...........
nooria01 1 year ago
@nooria01
no they will follow the Islam
not that some new prophet will come in the picture.
many many other ppl claimed to be Mahdi and MGA and those other all have been proven wrong
xiaahmad 1 year ago
@xiaahmad.. Exactly, so we are following Islam. HMGA(as) 's truth is proven in the light of Quran n Ahadith.....
nooria01 1 year ago
@nooria01
no ur not coz in true Islam there is no prophet name Mirza Ghulam
nor it existed 120+ years ago
xiaahmad 1 year ago
@xiaahmad Our prophet mohamad(saw) said "there is no mahdi but Issa(as)"
FYI there is a consensus among the Muslims and it is supported by the ahadees that the Promised Messiah would be a prophet. (Ahl-i-Hadees, 29 November 1966).
First do some homework before opening your mouth otherwise keep it shut..We are muslims and no one can take Islam from us...you and your generations and generations will keep waiting and waiting for Imam Mahdi no one is gonna come ever.
don't deny Him(saw) please
nooria01 1 year ago
@nooria01
No mahdi except ISA is consider weak hadith even by ppl whom u consider Mujadid so that just shows ur jammat try to hide in weak hadith
other hadith tells us that Mahdi will lead ISA(AS) in prayers and thats what the belief that people from the time of Prophet holds
who Promised messiah? ISA IBN MARYAM(AS) there is no other Messiah mentioned in Quran or Hadith
so please learn the Islam from the sources not from pocket books :)
xiaahmad 1 year ago
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@xiaahmad WEAK HADITH?????????????????????
Tobah istaghfar....
"Allah has set a seal on their hearts and their ears, and over their eyes is a covering; and for them is a great punishment. "
nooria01 1 year ago
@xiaahmad
"What will be your condition when the son of Mary will descend among you and he will be your Imam from among yourselves." (Bukhari, Kitabul Anbiya, Bab Nazool Isa)
Please read carefully and understand: the meaning is quite clear that both son of mary and Imam Mahdi would be ONE, or the son of mary will be the Mahdi!
You decide!
md31shahid 1 year ago
@md31shahid
sorry but it is not a correct translation correct will be
...and your Imam is one of your member.
and I am saying this based upon proof as Sahih muslim has that meaning when quoted about same narration
and most importantly Fatah ul Bari even tells that Imam will ask Jesus to lead the prayer and he will deny and will ask Imam to lead the prayer
so again you see you have been kept in dark by ur jammat :)
xiaahmad 1 year ago
@xiaahmad
The meaning does not change, still it means that he will be a muslim by birth.
instead of giving the same answer about staying in the dark; why don't you read the actual hadith in arabi and the meaning will become evident.
Esa praying behing imam mahdi still signifies that there will ONLY be ONE imam and a single leadership
I wonder who is keeping who in the dark!
md31shahid 1 year ago
@md31shahid
I have read it and I have explained it that the translation there done is wrong it didnt say that that he will be imam.
nor the scholors understood it to be like that coz other hadith clearly says Imam will be from among you
and then scholors also refuted No Mahdi except ESA theory that ur jammat keep giving
xiaahmad 1 year ago
@xiaahmad
No need to get emotional; all I ask is that you take the physical assention out of the picture and then think about it logically.
As a Muslim one should learn and understand the Quran for a direct connection with Allah subhanathallah; we should not just accept what our forefathers have left behind.
Surely understanding and learning Quran has higher status; The Quran testifies all Prophets before Nabi (sa) have passed away without a distinction.
md31shahid 1 year ago
@xiaahmad
If Jesus (as) comes from the sky, and Imam Mahdi from earth.........that would refute the unity and oneness established by Islam......
• ALL THE CHRISTIANS WOULD RUN TO THE MASSIH, AND ALL THE MUSLIMS TO THE MAHDI: CREATING TWO LEADERS IN THE WORLD!
Why would there be split leadership after it was unified under Islam by Allah through the Prophet (sa)?......."There will only be one Imam for the entire umma"
IF DEFENDING ISLAM WAS EASY: WHY WOULD THERE BE A NEED FOR A MAHDI?
md31shahid 1 year ago
@md31shahid
Again how it ended the unity come on man first u ppl assume that it will make jesus greater and now this
Unity stays there coz muslims will be following same QURAN and Sunnah
so please cut the assumptions as I have proven you now from different sources that Imam mahdi and ESA(AS) are different person
xiaahmad 1 year ago
@xiaahmad
Think about it brother; you are a smart person!
Christians will say we win our "god" came; therefore Christians will boast for superiority. It seems counterintuitive Akhi that when it is time for the cross to be shattered this would precipitate as some sort of victory for the Christians. Hence hinder unity under one leader and imam.
The Quran testifies that ALL prophets before Prophet (sa) have passed away.
md31shahid 1 year ago
@md31shahid
you are willing to assume stuff but ignore what is written in hadith and how scholors understand it.
after these proofs I am sure you will still gona give references to No Mahdi except ESA over n over
thats the thing ahmadiyyah jammat based its argument on weak and Mozo ahadith which clearly shows that its based upon falsehood
I hope now after proof u wont gona quote this bukhari narration for proof of ESA and mahdi being one same way the ibn majah narration
learn Islam please
xiaahmad 1 year ago
@xiaahmad
Correction! Ahmadyya jammat arguments are first based on Quran.
md31shahid 1 year ago
@md31shahid
how its based on QURAN? coz QURAN does not even mentioned Mirza Ghulam
and ur jammat arguments are based on weak narrations like No mahdi except ESA which I refuted clearly
xiaahmad 1 year ago
@xiaahmad
QURAN TESTIFIES ALL PROPHETS BEFORE RASUL (sa) HAVE DIED!
maybe you should learn islam from the quran and not google or wikipedia ;)
md31shahid 1 year ago
@xiaahmad
Quran holds higher authority than hadith; this was another major ambiguity which the Promised Messiah (as) corrected for the umma.
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Think about it Akhi: why would a reformer be required & necessary after a perfect religion and guidance was given to mankind as Islam through the Quran revealed to the most beloved of Allah The Holy Prophet (sa) Khatim al-Nabiyyeen.
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BECAUSE MUSLIMS WOULD BE IN GRAVE ERROR AND IN NEED OF GUIDANCE!
md31shahid 1 year ago
@md31shahid
Yes Quran hold higher authority and MGA didnt corrected anything dont u ppl know that before MGA sir syed come up with jesus being dead theory :)
reformers keeps on coming for centuries but they are not Prophets coz Prophet Muhammad (PUBH) is the last prophet
xiaahmad 1 year ago
@xiaahmad
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PERHAPS YOU SHOULD READ SURA JUMAH' AND READ THE HADITH ABOUTH SULEMAN FARSI
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please do read the Arabi!
md31shahid 1 year ago
@xiaahmad
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JEWS BLAMED THE MESSIAH OF THEIR TIME WITH BLASPHEMY; MUSLIMS BLAMED THE MESSIAH OF THEIR TIME WITH BLASPHEMY.
md31shahid 1 year ago
@md31shahid
do u even know how many ppl claimed to be messiah? are all of them truthful? just coz u follow him dont makes him truthful
and Yes I have read that verse and that hadith infact if u read the hadith closely in that Prophet (PUBH) said Men or man (so multiple person prophet(PUBH) talked about) that hadith it self refute ur claims
unless u now have started to believe that there are multiple messiahs as well :)
xiaahmad 1 year ago
@xiaahmad
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Without too much hard work I found that there were five men in various parts of the world, in the 19th century, who claimed to be the Messiah, or a Prophet;
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• Mahdi of Sudan
• Alexander Dowie of Zion, IL U.S.A.
• Joseph Smith of the Mormon Church
• Ali Muhammad Bab/ Bahaullah of Bahai faith
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md31shahid 1 year ago
@xiaahmad
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Only one person’s claim was correct and was testified by quran and hadith was Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as). Allah fulfilled his promise SUB’H’AN’AL’LAH
Everyone else who claimed to be a false prophet during fourteenth century islam; was chopped up and/or eliminated by Allah’s will.
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md31shahid 1 year ago
@md31shahid
how u know his claim was right? just coz u believe him?
even if it goes against the Islamic beliefs still he is right for u? WHY
why such blind following?
many ppl claimed many things that dont make them truthful
you have to go to QURAN and Hadith and in that no mirza ghulam is mentioned
nor anyother messiah is mentioned in QURAN other than ESA IBN MARYAM(AS)
can you please tell me where Massih-e-maood mentioned in QURAN?
xiaahmad 1 year ago
@xiaahmad
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HOW ABOUT YOU READ SURA AL JUMAH.......AND OF COURSE THE "STRONG" HADITH THAT GOES WITH IT.......U DECIDE FOR URSELF!
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INTERESTING ENOUGH; THIS SURA ALSO REMINDS MUSLIMS TO NOT BECOME LIKE THE JEWS..................
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JEWS BLAMED THE MESSIAH OF THEIR TIME WITH BLASPHEMY; MUSLIMS BLAMED THE MESSIAH OF THEIR TIME WITH BLASPHEMY.
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LIKENESS OF A DONKEY CARRYING A LOAD OF BOOKS; BURDON IS NOT PROPORTIONAL TO ITELLECT!
md31shahid 1 year ago
@md31shahid
yes dear I have read it. where in verse or that Salman Farsi Hadith with it mentions Messiah?
Infact the hadith says Men or Man among them(salman al farsi) which shows it is not even about ONE person :)
your jammat just give you something and u believe it without even reading it properly please the the Surah and verse and hadith that goes with it and also tafsirs of the verse :)
xiaahmad 1 year ago
@xiaahmad
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md31shahid 1 year ago
@xiaahmad
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THE PROPHET (sa) PUT HIS HAND ON SALMAN AL FARSI……..AND YES THE ARABI DOES IMPLY MORE THAN ONE PERSON; ALTHOUGH AN ISSUE WHICH THE NON-AHMADIS RAISE AS WEAK.
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MORE THAN ONE MAKES SENSE; WHEN KHILAFAT IS TO BE RESTABLISHED, MORE THAN ONE PIOUS PERSON WOULD BE RAISED IN THE LATTER DAYS…. ;)
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MORE IMPORTANTLY THESE “AKHAREEN” WILL HAVE SIMILAR STATUS TO “AWALEEN” MEANING THE PROPHET (sa) AND KHULFA’E RASHADEEN. ;)
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md31shahid 1 year ago
@md31shahid
so please read my last comment.
also do u even know that how many ppl claimed to be Messiah? and muslims and Islam refuted them all?
as u can see that in neither QURAN nor Hadith any other Messiah is mentioned. plus MGA is not even mentioned as well
so the donkey example u gave fits MGA perfectly who write 83+ books but still lack basic knowledge of Islam made false claims which goes against the teaching of Islam and still u blindly believe him sad.
do visit thecult(.)info/blog
xiaahmad 1 year ago
@xiaahmad
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BY REPEATING BACK TO ME WHAT I SAID TO YOU DOES NOT PROVE ANYTHING BUT FRUSTRATION AND WEAKNESS ON UR PART ;)
md31shahid 1 year ago
@xiaahmad
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REMEMBER THE PROPHET (sa) REPEATS THREE TIMES THAT HE WILL "NOT" BE AN ARAB ;)
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md31shahid 1 year ago
@md31shahid
Prophet (PUBH) over n over n over again said that Mahdi will be from Family of Hazrat Fatihmah(RA) :)
but like always wat ever dont suits u , u just ignores it :)
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md31shahid 1 year ago
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SO WHY IS ALLAH CLEARLY RELATING THE AKHAREEN TO THE AWALEEN; MEANING THERE STATUS IS GOING TO BE THE SAME........WHICH WAS THE CONFUSION WHICH THE SAHABA ASKED THE PROPHET (sa).......WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE OF THE SAME STATUS BUT HAVE NOT YET JOINED THE PROPHET (sa)
md31shahid 1 year ago
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@md31shahid TO XIA
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CLEARLY NOT ORDINARY PEOPLE; ONES TO COME AS AKHAREEN YET HAVE THE SAME STATUS AS AWALLEEN!
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READ TAFSIR IBNE KATHIR YOU WILL FIND UR ANSWER THERE AS WELL!
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md31shahid 1 year ago
@md31shahid
Yes please read that Tafsir ibn khatir as well even in that no where it talks about messiah or Prophets :)
xiaahmad 1 year ago
@md31shahid
I CANNOT GET ALL MY COMMENTS TO POST; ANYHOW THEY ARE THE EXACT REPLIES WHICH I GAVE TO THE SAME QUESTION POSTED EARLIER TODAY BY XIA ON OTHER CHANNELS ;)
md31shahid 1 year ago
@md31shahid
yes but not Prophet of Messiah.
come on read the hadith it clearly is not talking about Messiah or Prophet or Mahdi.
and if u still want to just stick to ur opinion you can read Tafasirs on that.if u dont trust me
all i am asking you is go to the source and see for ur self instead of just following what jammat tells you without any proof
xiaahmad 1 year ago
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@xiaahmad
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CLEARLY NOT ORDINARY PEOPLE; ONES TO COME AS AKHAREEN YET HAVE THE SAME STATUS AS AWALLEEN!
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READ TAFSIR IBNE KATHIR YOU WILL FIND UR ANSWER THERE AS WELL!
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md31shahid 1 year ago
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@xiaahmad .................following replies are the same as I have posted to ur comment which was exactly the same elsewhere ;(
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CLEARLY NOT ORDINARY PEOPLE; ONES TO COME AS AKHAREEN YET HAVE THE SAME STATUS AS AWALLEEN!
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READ TAFSIR IBNE KATHIR YOU WILL FIND UR ANSWER THERE AS WELL!
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md31shahid 1 year ago
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@xiaahmad
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CLEARLY NOT ORDINARY PEOPLE; ONES TO COME AS AKHAREEN YET HAVE THE SAME STATUS AS AWALLEEN!
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READ TAFSIR IBNE KATHIR YOU WILL FIND UR ANSWER THERE AS WELL!
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md31shahid 1 year ago
@xiaahmad
Regardless of how our differences one thing remains constant:
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WHEN MAHDI COMES THE MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS WILL BE MISGUIDED; BLINDFOLDED BY CULTURAL LIMITATIONS PUT ON THEOLOGY.
md31shahid 1 year ago
@md31shahid
But when his signs will get complete people will believe in his according to Hadith and MGA failed to fulfill any of the sign
plus his claims even gose against Islam beliefs like being prophet, being mahdi and messiah at same time(which i proved), being baroz of prophet(PUBH) etc
xiaahmad 1 year ago
@xiaahmad
The Prophet (sa) sent his salaam to the Mahdi and also related the hadith about the prophet (sa) at one end and the Mahdi at the other end, is how Islam will be safeguarded.
md31shahid 1 year ago
@md31shahid
Mahdi signs are mentioned and MGA failed to fulfill them
so MGA cannot be mahdi simple as that.
xiaahmad 1 year ago
@xiaahmad he fulfilled them all but you will not be able to see it with closed eyes. Wake up please, first of all; study your own beliefs, are you with the Quran, or against it? because surely, the Quran never states that Jesus(as) is alive. After studying your own beliefs, you can go and to Dawaah. But most of the "Muslims" doesnt understand their beliefs, they are indeed against the Quran.
donshery 1 year ago
@donshery
Really the way u claim he fulfilled any one can claim that :)
let me start with just one sign first.
Prophet (PUBH) said that Ibn Maryam will visit Kabbahand will do Haj.
Mirza ghulam ever did that?
xiaahmad 1 year ago
@xiaahmad he fulfilled them all, but you are, as said, stuck up in words. Stuck up in one fulfillment, look at the others. You are making it look like Jesus(as) would come to do Hajj. Please wake up, and give me the references to the hadith, and i will answer you
donshery 1 year ago
@donshery
i gave the reference before and will provide u reference again
and I am sure best u can come up with is that it was metaphorical :)
any one can claim that they fulfilled signs metaphorically:
"By Him in Whose Hand is my life, Ibn Maryam (ESA(AS)) would certainly pronounce Talbiyah for Hajj or for Umrah or for both (simultaneously as a Qarin) in the valley of Rawha."
(Sahih Muslim, Book 7 hadith 2877)
xiaahmad 1 year ago
@xiaahmad this hadith is not saying that Jesus(as) WILL do Hajj. Please, learn to understand prophecies.
donshery 1 year ago
@donshery
did u even read it?
Talbiyah for Haj or Umrah do u even know what it means? it is performed during hajj or Umrah it self :)
and did mirza ghulam even went to valley of Rawha? for Hajj or umrah? NO
so this proves that MGA failed at this sign badly so think please proof is infront of uMGA failed at the sign that prophet (PUBH) mentioned
xiaahmad 1 year ago
@xiaahmad my dear friend, Hajj is necesarry if one can perform it, or if wealth permits. Ahmad(as) could not perform it, wealth did not permit him to. I read it very carefully, and please, do not get stuck up in words. Try to use common sense, and logic. May Allah guide you
donshery 1 year ago
@donshery He did not have the wealth? ...what? Says who?
The man begged people for money to write books, he dressed in well-to-do clothes, he was from a well-off family, he had many followers, etc. Are you saying such a man could not perform Hajj?
btw, one of Imam Mahdi's signs is that he takes the Bay'ah at the Ka'ba. But, the Murabbis don't like to teach their followers that.
farhan00 1 year ago
@farhan00 Yes indeed, he did not have the wealth. He had many followers, so did Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa SAAW, did SAAW force them to pay him? as did not the Promised Messiah(as), he was from a well family, but the property was not his. He did not beg anyone, but Allah. Oh, please give me the references. He did take Bay´ah.
donshery 1 year ago
@donshery Yes, the narration that Imam Mahdi will take the Bay'ah at the Ka'ba is in Sunan Abu Dawud in "Kitab al-Mahdi". It also says that the Mahdi will be "forced" to take the Bay'ah after he flees Madinah to Makkah. Did Mirza do either? Contact me via messages for more details.
Mirza invented the Chanda scheme and begged people for money to write 50 books. He had money, but refused to perform Hajj. The Prophet SAAWS died with only meger possessions in his house but did Hajj. He was better
farhan00 1 year ago
@farhan00 i will never, Alhamdoliilah, contact you about information. Your information is wrong. Ahmad(as) invented the chanda system to make us who we are today, by the grace of Allah. Where does the chanda money goes? 15+thousands mosques, 500+ school, and 50+ hospitals. Does not that says it all? Wake up dude, you are misguided and misguiding people. Briefly, tell me your beliefs. Do you believe Jesus(as) is in the heavens? please do tell :) May Allah guide you to the right path
donshery 1 year ago
@donshery
MGA had lot of money he consider him self and his family to be Raies of qadian
So you agree that Mirza Ghulam failed to fulfill the sign of Haj mentioned for ESA(AS) by prophet (PUBH)?
By Him in Whose Hand is my life, Ibn Maryam (ESA(AS)) would certainly pronounce Talbiyah for Hajj or for Umrah or for both (simultaneously as a Qarin) in the valley of Rawha."
(Sahih Muslim, Book 7 H 2877)
Prophet Muhammad (PUBH) mentions that Ibn Maryam(AS) "WOULD" do Talbiyah for Hajj.
not may be
xiaahmad 1 year ago
@xiaahmad according to you, he was worlds richest man. Please, stop arguing on Youtube, if you want some righteous information, study the Quran & hadith; and i can conclude with the fact that your understanding of the Quran & the hadith is wrong, so i am stopping contacting you, i would advise you to study the Quran alone, please, for the love of Allah, accept the fact that Jesus(as), like any other Messenger, is dead. I present 30 verses, fear Allah man, may Allah guide you to the right path
donshery 1 year ago
@donshery
Did i said world richest no but he was well off and could have afford haj expenses infact he himselfboost about claims that he is raiees of qadian.
Hadith tells us that ESA IBN MARYAM will go for Haj.
why r u rejecting the hadith?
xiaahmad 1 year ago
@xiaahmad answered you dozens of time. THINK
donshery 1 year ago
@donshery
Not even once u answer about the sign of ESA(AS) about going to haj
first u asked for reference
when reference was given u made excuse that it does not talks about haj
when tat was proven u just diverted the topic :)
xiaahmad 1 year ago
@xiaahmad oh yeah i didnt, come on, you know better than this :)
I answered and proved to you that it does not say that he will perform hajj. Now wake up & realise this is not a dream!
donshery 1 year ago
@donshery
Read the hadith care fully again
By Him in Whose Hand is my life, Ibn Maryam (ESA(AS)) would certainly pronounce Talbiyah for Hajj or for Umrah or for both (simultaneously as a Qarin) in the valley of Rawha."
(Sahih Muslim, Book 7 H 2877)
Mirza ghulam never went to valley of Rawha nor he did pronounce Talbiyah for Hajj
SO HE FAILED ITS PROVEN
xiaahmad 1 year ago
@xiaahmad i have my dear friend, now please, open your eyes, your ears & your mind. Be open minded, this is what Muhammad Mustafa SAAW said to us, do not be ignorant, he said to us to not be. Read the Quran & the Hadith, understand it, stay up for hours, days, months, years, and do dua all the time. Ask Allah if Ahmad(as) is (God forbid) false, or is he really the Promised Messiah & Mahdi(as)
May Allah guide you to the right path. You dont even understand this particular hadith. Ameen
donshery 1 year ago
@donshery
Where u have answered again ur giving excuses
tell me when MGA did Talbiyah for Haj or Umrah in valley o Rawha please explain
xiaahmad 1 year ago
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@xiaahmad and you dont even understand this hadith, please, listen to my advise, and Allah knows best
donshery 1 year ago
@farhan00 AA Bro,You are so Wrong Here, First correct your concepts,What you say is so totally busted,You refer to Ahmadi's converting to Islam,you could say AhmadiMuslim converting to the Majority Version Of Islam, but if you refer to Ahmadiat as another religion you are insulting the holy Prophet Of Islam (P.B.U.H) ,I consider you as Muslim,so if any of you converts to Ahmadiat,I would consider it as if a non Ahmadi Muslim has converted to the teachings of Islam as taught by Holy Prophet PBUH
DulmialMalik 1 year ago
@DulmialMalik Except for the fact that I've read more Ahmadi books than 99% of Ahmadis AND almost converted
I guess that's blind faith, right?
YOU might consider me a Muslim, but the official position of your religion is that I am a kaafir.
farhan00 1 year ago
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@farhan00 You Are Naudhu Billah Insulting Prophet PBUH as if you Naudhu Billah posses more knowledge, In the course of fighting on one occasion an enemy combatant, when confronted with Usama bin Zaid, who was about to kill him, declared that he embraced Islam, but Usama killed him nevertheless.When this was reported to the Holy Prophet, he was greatly displeased and inquired from Usama, ‘Why did you kill him after he had declared his acceptance of Islam?’
DulmialMalik 1 year ago
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@farhan00 Usama submitted, ‘Messenger of Allah, he merely said so out of fear. He was not sincere.’ The Holy Prophet retorted, ‘Had you cut open his heart to make sure whether he was sincere or not?’ The Holy Prophet went on repeating, ‘How will you justify your action before Allah on the Day of Judgment?’
DulmialMalik 1 year ago
@farhan00 SO fear Allah as we would return to him one day, dont try to cross the boundaries set out by Allah and his Prophet Mohammad(P.B.U.H) and try to Deliver verdicts on other Imaan as to who is Muslim and who is not.
We both have every right to believe we are correct , but for either one of us to say you recite Kalima but are not Muslim , is an Excess in the light of the Hadith quoted which no one should be willing to commit .
Allah will Judge on Day of Judgement as to who was right/wrong
DulmialMalik 1 year ago
@DulmialMalik Wasn't it Mullah Mirza Bashir who declared all Muslims kaafir in his book "The Truth about the Split"?
Wasn't it Mullah Mirza Ghulam who also called all Muslims kaafir, as quoted in "The Philosophical Teachings of Islam"?
(both are available in English with context)
farhan00 1 year ago
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DulmialMalik 1 year ago
@farhan00 AA,plz stop day dreaming & step in reality,It was the Molvi's who showered the Promised Messiah(as) with Non Muslim Fatwa's so there Kufar Fatwa's make them kaffir's as per the Hadith,so study history atleast as to who started this all and dont blindly follow what you are told,use some bains !!!
So you claim you can see inside our hearts that we are non muslims in the light of the Hadith told ?
Then my answer to you is SEE YOU ON DAY OF JUDGEMENT,ALLAH WILL DECIDE THIS INSHALLAH
DulmialMalik 1 year ago
@DulmialMalik In reality, it is your jahil Murabbis who have declared all Muslims kaafir, first before anyone from "our side" did so. Mullah Mirza Ghulam did so, so did Mullah Mirza Bashir.
farhan00 1 year ago
@farhan00 AA this is typical of your side,having blind faith and not considering others arguments,We consider non ahmadi's as muslim,Is this not sufficient for you to believe what else do you want us to do to prove to to u dat we consider non ahmadies as muslim?Our Imams even lead Janaza prayers for non ahmadi's. My nonahmadi friends have offered Jummah salat in our mosque.
Whereas it is a crime to your Molvi's if ahmadi even says Salam,
So look what you do before pointing fingers to others!
DulmialMalik 1 year ago
@DulmialMalik No, Ahmadi Mullahs do not say Muslims are Muslims. I can prove it to you.
In the book "The Truth about the Split", by that Mullah Mirza Bashir, you can see that the mullah says anyone who does not believe Mullah Mirza Ghulam is not a prophet is a kaafir.
He says "Kaafir", "disbeliever", and "out of the pale of Islam", all three.
farhan00 1 year ago
@farhan00 AA my religion is Islam , No Molvi or government has the right to declare me not so, if you dare to do so then you yourself become kaffir in light of the Hadith,
We accept non ahmadi's as Muslim what ever you say does not change the fact!
Try reading a page before and after the text you refered to & you will get the answer InshAllah
Your side had to go for Govt support to declare us non Muslim as if Allah is not sufficient for them NaudhuBillah!
May Allah Guide us All Ameen
DulmialMalik 1 year ago
@DulmialMalik Yet the Ahmadiyya faith's literature openly and actively declares all Muslims to be kufaar. Double-standard?
farhan00 5 months ago
@farhan00
You need to give an exact reference. Without a reference your statement is regarded as "nothing"but a prejudice.
It seems that you are working hard in order to prevent the people from embracing Ahmadiyyat. I really appreciate it.
sadiasum82 3 months ago
@donshery You are arguing with deaf, blind and dumb people brother.
Exposingantiahmadiya 1 year ago
@Exposingantiahmadiya JazakAllah for telling me, i was, slowly, but surely, understanding it, and i am concluding with the fact that it is pretty much people like this on youtube. I am not arguing with them anymore, how can i, when they dont even know the Quran & the hadith.
donshery 1 year ago
@donshery
But Prophet (PUBH) himself said that ESA(AS) will gona DO HAJ
what about that?
xiaahmad 1 year ago
@donshery
A man claiming to be a reviver of religion,
a prophet, Imam MEhdi, Isa AS. and much more
-he did not go , sorry he was never EVER allowded to enter Mekka and MEdina nor perform Hajj
A BIG AYAT !!!
ALLAH SWT Did not allow Mirza Ghulam to go fo Hajj .
If you disagree.........present it .otherwise ....you will have to reflect just why .
AadamInsaan 1 year ago
@AadamInsaan show me the evidences that shows that he never was ALLOWED to perform Hajj.
First of all, he had opponents all over. Secondly, Allah says that whoever is able to perform Hajj, must do so, he never was able ie - wealth was not so good as you would like it to be = not necesarry to perform Hajj if you dont have the money. Do some research before you lay allegations on people. He is a subordinate Prophet within the Prophethood of Muhammad SAAW, just as Jesus(as) is to Moses(as)
donshery 1 year ago
@donshery
Dont expose yourself even more......
did mirza ghulam go to hajj ; NO
A man claiming to revive religion and to be a prophet
-and not even fulfilling the 5 pillars.....well well
he claimed prophethood, but did not himself fulfill it .
AadamInsaan 1 year ago
@AadamInsaan answered
donshery 1 year ago
@donshery
This Ayaat
that mirza did not go to hajj
-should be enough for you .
AadamInsaan 1 year ago