But...intelligent life I think is EXTREMELY rare. Think about it for a moment. Life existed on Earth for thousands of millions of years...and yet NOT ONCE did any of them reach intelligence.
Think about the dinosaurs...the roamed the earth for 160 million years...and NONE of them reached intelligence.
By my calculations of the Drake equation the Milky Way galaxy at most may have 2 or 3 planets with intelligent life.
Actualy we need a new Carl Sagan with a Super universal,(Eys Wide Shot),to understand,(maby only a thiny,.00000001 %),of the Infinitly and the Unmajorment non explainable Worlds,Dimentions and the Existence itsef.we need definatly a new Giga,Terra,(Eys Wide Shot),to Understand the Thruth of our Infinit World a littelbet.
Unimaginable far eway from common Human Bings Thinking and understanding the real World,which hides infinit Dimentions,Worlds and oder Universes,in itself.unfortunatly it seems like,nobody is even trying and interested to understand and reseach things like this.i am deeply sorry and very upset for the huge manipulated Human Bings,that there must be a God or a reason for the hohle Universe and the live itself,to explaine everything.I am realy frustrated about our thinnish smal,aspect.of the Univ.
How can you justify any claims you make about god when you admit that you don't understand god? Does it make sense for a teacher to teach math if the teacher doesn't understand math? And again, where do you get your information about "god"?
Considering there are many religions claiming their god is the true god, what is the religion you subscribe to?
Sagan, could understand perhaps a portion 0.00000000000000000001 of the things of God. Perhaps, if it is in heaven now by God's mercy ... he must be thinking: "My God, how I was ignorant and blind - What peace sublime, What infinite wisdom supreme beauty in holiness in this place unexplained ."
How exactly did you come to your conclusion of Sagan's understanding compared to "god's"? What classes did you attend or books did you read to give you the idea that you understand "god" at all?
One thing is clear from your statement. Sagan understood far more than you ever will. So please, from now on, whenever you get sick, don't go to a doctor. Because its "god" punishing you for your misdeeds, and you need to pray for forgivness
We don't understand God of course,- it is to believed. God is everything, is the essence at all. Time, Matter, space, thought, truth, wisdom, life, that is, it's all what you see and what is not seen.
You speak some truths: I am very fragile and ignorant. And it's very good. God is only where "self" does not exist. You will also tells many lies: Know that in God haven't disease, there is injustice, there is no hatred, there is no harm. But without God has all this and infinitely more waiting.
No one ever thinks.. 'Maybe humans are the most advanced species.. in the galaxy' Under the theory of evolution, aliens would be just as advanced as humans, given they didn't evolve any faster or slower than us.
I say we act as if we're precious and should preserve our race, as if it were N~10, but be an example as if we were trying to stand out among N~1,000,000.
The only way to survive is depopulation, cloning and medical advancements. That's assuming that once humanity reached that point a higher power didn't put a stop to it.
Last week, (dec. 2010), it was officially re-calculated that the total number of stars is actual 3 times larger than was known. In this video, Carl started the equation with the known number of starts back in 1980, 400 billion. Since then much more stars were dicovered by watching the sky.
The number today is known to be 3 quadrillion. That a 3, followed by 15 zeros.
If you take that number, and replace the 4 billion Carl used in the video, than the grimm outlook would be N~not 10, but N~75.000 planets with intelligence and technology, just like ours.
If we would take the optimistic look in the end of the video, N~ not millions, but N~75.000.000.000, or: 75 billion planets, just like ours. With intelligence and modern technology.
75 billion planets just like ours if we are optimistic, or 75.000 planets if we use the least positive outcome.
@assimilator47 Having that said: if the diameter of the known galaxy spans 50 billion lightyears, and there are 75.000 intelligent planets, then the nearest by planet would still be 666.667 lightyears away.
Since our own modern culture only exists for a mere 5.000 years, we would have to be alive for another more 661.667 years to make contact.
the discovery tripled the amount of stars in the observable universe. carl sagan says there's 400 billion in our galaxy. That's a Milky, followed by the word Way.
@xxptlare2 That's only half of the story. First, we would pretend to be their friends, then when they weren't looking, we'd rape them if their appearance and physiology were amenable, rob them of any resources, and imprison them in "reservations," calling them terrorists if they fought back. That is in the off-chance that this same approach which we use today doesn't wipe out billions of years of evolutionary progress on the planet in an orgy of nuclear assault.
Brilliant man, foolish science. You can plug in ANY numbers into the Drake equation and come up with different results. So what. Even Sagan himself plugged in different numbers. The first time he got "1" for the answer, and the second time he got "millions" for the answer. Exactly what does this prove? It's all speculative. There's nothing "scientific" about this. I'm a scientist, but even I think this is silly.
@ullgeologist It's kind of obvious that this is mere speculation, since we have yet to detect extraterrestrial life to begin with. But therefor I don't think it's silly, just a nice brain exercise.
As an aside, think about this equation if we talk about all other galaxies to, and you can multiply the number by over 100 billion, meaning there could be trillions of technological civilisation at any one time, but with limited interaction due to the enormous distances between stars and galaxies requiring a civilisation to survive far into technological maturity before killing itself.
Very nice explanation; obviously so much of it is subjective it is only for debate, but thought provoking anyway. I'm not sure how relevant it is which civilisation are existance simultaneously, because due to the distances apart, by the time they travel to contact one another it would most likely be too late to have interaction, because for all but the nearest you would have to travel near the speed of light and the civilisation would have aged a lot by the time you got there.
I say that the last two formulas in the equation should be divided in half. That way, instead of ten civilizations or millions of civilizations, he can say there are hundreds of thousands of them. That would sound more like it. But either way, you are not alone on your planet, I can guarantee you that.
It can't be only us, it'd be a huge waste of space :-) They are either extinct or much more advanced than we are. But perhaps... we are the first to venture into the stars. That's also a possibility, but the universe seems a bit too old to me for us to be the first. Mankind, after all, arose with a lot of luck and coincedence.
If we ever do encounter life thats more advanced than we are I personally doubt they would be alien-like beings. An advance extraterrestrial civilization would problably be 'non-biological' beings with intelligence beyond our entire planet combined.
Great video, I always enjoy listening to Carl Sagan.
It should be a law that all videos must disable the comment function on youtube. Every time I expose myself to the comprisal of tripe attached to so many of these vids, I feel like killing myself as living on a planet with so many cruel and evil people is very very very discouraging and disheartening. I will say one thing for youtube comments...They are very demonstrative of the apparent true nature of so-called human beings. Not even Carl Sagan can redeem the human race. Hurry Asteroid!
I like to also calculate the number of Gas Giants that might inhabit the "Goldilocks Zone". Most of the Giants have moons, like Jupiter and Saturn's moons. Many of these moons show prospects of life. By adding the moons of Gas Giants in the Goldilocks Zone you greatly increase the probability of life. In our miniscule solar system the moons seem to be the better prospect for finding life, besides, of course, the earth...
I just love the way this guy picks numbers out of a hat to create his equation. All assumptions multiplied by assumptions multiplied by assumptions, and so on, and so on, to arrive at "N"
And this is called science? I call it magical thinking, no different than astrology! Hey, but his name is Sagan, so it must be legitimate and true!
@WSGAC Magical thinking? No different than astrology? You really think that? Really? You do know it's a thought experiment? You did not hear him explain the equation and his reasoning as he went through it? You did not hear him say, " Consider this possibility" - essentially "what if..."? Sagan's estimates are legitimate, sure but no one yet knows the answer. You have to realize even fans of Sagan come up with radically different numbers for the drake equation.
@dethaduj, No his estimates are not legitimate. They are arbitrary and based on something Sagan did not see and had no way of confirming, but assumes to be true....kind of like "faith" which in other contexts he disparages. I could just as easily add 10, or 100, or 1,000 other factors/variables to the Drake equation and come up with greater and greater "improbability" of intelligent life elsewhere in the universe. But because Sagan WANTS to believe in such life, he assumes it must exist.
@WSGAC Are you being neagative? Sure it's legitimate. You said "assumes to be true". Yes, Carl was making assumptions. Making valid assumptions because we don't know the answer to those particular variables. His estimates are as legitimate as yours or mine when there is no data available. His 'faith' as you call it, is different from religion as he would have changed his mind when presented with evidence to the contrary. Oh, and because he is now dead, Sagan no longer believes anything...
@dethaduj, No, not being negative, just realistic. And no, "valid assumptions" are not what Sagan is making. More accurately, they are "arbitrary assumptions." Further, if Sagan's/Drake's assumptions "are as legitimate as yours or mine" as you say, then the equation is meaningless in determining anything. We might just as well use the equation to determine the probability of intelligent life on one of the billions of dust specks floating in your home living room.
@WSGAC Actually scientists have been reviving Drake's equation as of lately. There is a thing called the "Goldilocks" zone where a planet is not too close or too far from the sun in order to sustain life as we know it. Also when scientists look for life they first look for water because water is necessary for the existence of life.
@chairde, but Sagan assumes much. He says that there will only be some planets suitable for life. How does he know this? And how can he affix a number to it?
He continues, "And on only some of those worlds will intelligence arise!" And how does Sagan know this? And how can he affix a number to it? He has no idea that intelligence will arise, he just claims it to be so. He sure is full of assumptions. I guess that's what he elsewhere disparages as faith.
@WSGAC Actually science knows the number of stars first. Then notes that most stars have planets, then notes how many planets are hard surface rather than gas and on and on. They are "assumptions" based on known facts. Every Science does this. For example we make assumptions about early man based on a only a few bones and stones. We can assume that an animal is a predator just from its teeth. Plant eaters would have more molars etc. Sometimes they are right and sometimes wrong.
@chairde, Correction - science "estimates" the number of stars. Most stars have planets? Have scientists viewed most of the stars?
Yes science has made many assumptions in the past based on a few bones - See Piltdown man. Or about heavenly bodies - See Ptolemy on "epicycles." See Michael Mann on AGW. See Drake equation....etc...etc...etc.
@WSGAC What are you on about? Do you understand mathematical probabilities? Have you ever read his books which deal with this? It has vast mountains of equations/probabilities etc You're cherry picking and not very good at it.
@vjohn82, Answer: Yes! In fact, if you know the science of computer modelling for predicting the weather you will also know that the "vast mountains of equations/probabilities/weather factors" are legion. And I would hazard to bet that the Drake equation doesn't come close to the reality of what it claims to give an answer to. Indeed, the "factors" involved for life are more numerous than earth's weather!
By the way, do you see how accurate predicting the weather is? LOL!
@WSGAC Sagan has taken the lowest common denominator approach with his explanation. He had probably forgotten more equations that you could ever comprehend in your lifetime. Now fuck off with your internet assembled philosophies.
@vjohn82, I see my last point stumped you, and you thus resorted to name calling. Standard tactic of one who pretends to know something but cannot defend with substance. Sooooo, just bring out the ol' F-bomb. Yeah, that'll work!
Lowest common denominator? What a joke! Try predicting the weather with such a boneheaded approach. You think the same can predict life elsewhere in the universe? Yeah, that'll work! NOT! . . LOL!!!
@WSGAC It hasn't stumped me at all. I just cannot be totally bothered refuting every argument. It makes far much more sense to me, in this limited space, to call you a twat.
@vjohn82 yeah I'm sure you're really honoring the man's memory and his achievements by doing exactly what he'd want you to do, arguing between each other and continuing the trend of creating dissonance in our civilization. Really productive.
@davidt0504 Why would I need to honour the man's memory? I can't be bothered with religious people who genuinely believe that my final destination is hell and will ignore every scientific fact/claim based upon a book written in an age of illiteracy.l Thankfully mankind has moved on where I have the freedom to tell these people exactly what to do with their book.
@vjohn82 well your right you have the freedom to tell them that and can be as condescending as possible but the attitude in which you are approaching the dialogue is only furthering the divide and will not do anything to produce a beneficial reaction. Do you think religious people are really going to listen to you when they think you are the evil atheist who is out to get them? We need to approach everyone with a stance of open dialogue.
@davidt0504 I don;t care if religious people listen or not. Half the time their faith prevents them from listening. The "evil Atheist" remark is non sequitur; the very fact I am labelled as a heretic for not believing in god reduces the entire situation to a farce instantly. I could build my view of a person based upon their conduct but the same is never reciprocated. So, why bother with courtesy with morons and bigots?
@vjohn82 because to do so makes you a moron and a bigot. Maybe not by definition but my point is that you shouldn't lower yourself to that level. Its not becoming. You should always strive to be the best version of yourself possible. I don't believe it would be terribly exhausting to simply not deride them.
And there must be millions of civilizations capable of communi blablabla...
What a bunchanonsens.
This "equation" can only be used when we cowmilkdrinkers will find an other planet with life on it. If one planet is found besides earthhole then we can use this equation.
Your pseudo is showing clearly who you are..., and only ignorants like YOU can say this equation is a joke.Carl Sagan was a kind of Einstein, da Vinci, Beethoven,Mozart, Henri Becquerel.Can someone talk bullshit about those giants?
@FamilyGuyRS Actually this equation is just an estimate. I know you made your comments some time ago but I thought you should know that no one actually thinks this is the correct answer, it is just a step in the right direction in calculating the possibility of advanced alien life.
Often the great people of Humanity aren't the people who calculate the answer but are the people who ask the question.
Carl Sagan made these theories and ideas easily understandable. Nothing wrong with that...
Carl was a great presenter and I loved watching his TV series. But in this case, Carl makes a huge mistake 5:10 to 5:40. His estimated of technological civilizations is wrong. To calculate the probability of technological civilizations you need to look at planet earth. In planet earth ONLY ONE out of 100 million different species evolved into technological species. That's 0.00000001 not 0.01, if we use the correct probability into Drakes equation we get a very, very different number.
@Ishayau This is just the formula as it was then. It has gone through changes since then. I'm sure you can find the current equation somewhere if you look it up.
@Ishayau good comment/observation, although fundamentaly speaking, the point is, we are not alone. If the human race, as one, came to this conclusion our eyes would open to the reality that the truth has been kept from us.....I encourage everyone to be concious of this fact that we are not alone, to beleive it with conviction, with strength, with intuition and always investigate/research, find ask, that is the only path to the truth. Peace
@animwild I don't think we are alone, just that there are very few Technological civilizations in the universe at any given time. Even in Planet Earth over a period of 4.5 billion years only one technological civilization evolved. This is a good indication that Technological Life is extremely rare, even when you have optimal envioroments.
@Ishayau But my friend, the question was what probability of technological civilizations on a planet with life. In the case of Earth (our sample of one) it's 100%!
@dethaduj The fact that an event happened doesn’t mean that the probability of the event was 100%. The probability of an event is; the number of successful events out of the total population of actual/possible events. If you roll a dice and you get a number, this doesn’t mean that there is a 100% probability of getting it time and time again based on the fact that you got it once. The probability will always be 1/6 in this case. Same goes for technological civilizations.
@Ishayau I know - that was my poor attempt at humor. Wouldn't it be cool if we could rewind earth back to the primordial ooze and watch the evolution and see what develops. Would intelligence and technology appear again. If so how often. Hmmm.
@tsimon1234 dude there are trillions of life full worlds....gazzilions.....hubble deep field....the big bang gave birth to an infinite life inhabited universe....man is monkey like and lacks much,,....see Yoda,....
@flipedup too bad most of the scum on this planet wouldn't die... do the same equation but add in the element of low life scumbags call that S sub B. 6 billion would dwindle down to probably 1.5 billion. That is if you take all the retards, scum losers i.e. druggies and people with incurable lusts for little kids and killing people, low lifes with no ambition, or people that ruin peoples lifes intentionally for their own piece of shit amusement.
@kyjodo If so, then there are an infinite number of copies of ourselves throughout the universe. What does this imply about the afterlife, and religion?
@ClamCrunchy Why not? The very fact that existence even exists is NUTS. If you think about it, neither existence nor inexistence is possible, yet both happen simultaneously. I read this book called "13 things that don't make sense in science - varying constants" and basically through analyzing light from distant stars, they discovered that all the laws governing our understanding of reality were completely different 12 billion years ago. Everything changes so yeah anything is possible in my eyes
sadly Megaphone old son radio waves tend to dissipate with in about 2 to 4 light years... what that means to us lot on the EARTH is simple... our radio waves will fade into the background so no going out 65 years and hoping to pick up the first radio transmissions(let alone television)
pity really i would have liked some thing left behind to sown the universe we where once here!
In my opinion Carl Sagon errored in chosing to use in his calculations only technologically advance civilizations. He was a man of great knowledge, but gave no consideration for Sun Created Celestials that have permeated our Galaxy, planets, Moon, and atmospheres. They have technical advancements which are not inherent in terrestrial humans. The count is only a minor discrepency between his and my calculations count abd does not take away anything from Carl's brilliant knowledge.
Mankind cant even get along with their neighbouring countries in a lot of places, god help any civillizations we find if we become an interstellar space faring race. Also almost every issue we have on this planet is down to sheer human ignorance. People need to stop living in happy bubble land and learn some serious sacrificies are needed.
@youwinoneinternets Well ignorance is a cause, but so is our monetary system; take away economy, create an on technology depending ressourcebased society of humans and most problems vanish like our concepts of boundaries...
God help US if we ever encounter a space-faring civilization. When Christopher Columbus came upon the new world, things didn't go well for the Native Americans.
well there are three possibilities. 1. the aliens can be hostile, and clear us out for our resources. 2. They are friendly, visit occasionally and share information with us. 3. They are so much farther advanced that they ignore us. Like a Highway next to an ant hill, until we are advanced enough to share info with them
@Ekoe10 Hopefully the aliens will know about our violent history of wars every century, also the fact that humans would rather destory ourselves than give our earth to another species
@rikvarga wrong, humans would rather give earth to others species as long an elite can survive and mistreat the others from they're own species. Look middle east and see the oil lords. They sold they're land and people for pleasure and luxuary.
@youwinoneinternets That being said, I'm interested to know how come everybody believes that the space faring nations that we come across will be peaceful. Who's to say that they won't be the same as us, bipolar, with the minority calm, patient, etc, and with a very large majority quick to anger, and with no interest in consequences, especially when ultimate power is given to them, such as a space faring nations would have to have.
@youwinoneinternets Carl beleived in us as a civilization and I would have to agree with him. It is our personal choice what given circumstances we will give our focus to, be that negative or positive. We are capable of great good and beauty which has also been magnified over time. The sheer number of charities that man has created gives us hope. Even the birth of a concept called humanity shows that we are still in an infant phase socialogically, but with a great potential that will be made
@youwinoneinternets why do you think the most advanced civilization in the whole of space has not contacted nor tried to reach us? they prolly know that we're pure evil as a race, the race of greedy evil bloodthirsty human beings.
@imiritu I'm sure at some point they were the same way. We're newcomers to this planet and we're descended from predators and I'm sure they are too. Darwinian evolution should be the same all over the Universe, so we can't really call ourselves evil; just young and stupid like teenagers are until they learn and grow up. We're an adolescent species and they were too at some point. They've just worked out their aggressive tendencies.
@imiritu There's a big difference between being flawed and evil. Not to mention calling something evil is like calling something funny. Relativity brah
@imiritu Well if the calculations are correct, just the fact that we haven't blown our planet to a giant desert, shows that we aren't as bad as the other civilizations that have gown down to shit and obliterated, maybe we aren't as "pure evil" as you think, maybe there's just stupid people in charge in modern day, and you look at them and not anything else for your representation of humanity, getting only the bad from it.
You know what's interesting? I've noticed that the more technology starts to take over our lives, we start having less and less contact with people and then this guy's view of humanity becomes common. So in other words, the less human contact we have, the more we come to the conclusion that we're "all bad". But our relative isolation renders this conclusion to be unsubstantiated.
Actually, Mr. Misanthropist, they probably don't even know we exist. And this suggests that other species wouldn't be just as "evil" as we are, as we are predators in a predatory world.
Either way you generalize. What, you've never met even one good and decent person? Maybe you need to turn off the News, the internet and go for a walk. I'm not trying to be an ass, but I notice the more I immerse myself in such negativity, the more negative I become.
@jackiedegracia No, you're no ass for saying so. You're predictable for it though. I have never met a human being whose actions I could not generally predict, because humans are so predictable, that's why I stay away. You draw people in to assimilate them into society so that they can follow your social norms and rules and guidlines, all of which I will not follow, and hence most people will hate me for it. Notice how the anti social kids the one always bullied by others? Because he's different,
@imiritu they hate him. This is why aliens would not come to our world, is becuase aliens would probably be far more advanced than us, and have seen how humans hate what is different, most of all.
Hey there's so much talk about ufo's and the disclosure but nothing is happening so hears an idea that we can all try. on the 7th of March 2010 at 10:30 PM your time. Every one go out side and look up and take a picture or a video of the night sky and if we all do this at lease one of us should be able to get a picture of something like a UFO.
The cause {singular} of cancer has been known and authenticated through extensive clinical trials. Professor John Beard's Trophoblast Thesis concerns itself with malignancies {neoplasms} & fetal cells being one-and-the-same. Your children will contract cancer if their diets are deficient in vitamin B17.
Good question. But I don't know the answer. Do you believe that we're being visited by Aliens? If we are being visited, they found a way to travel across great distances.
I think the key is accessing other dimensions. If we are being visited, I think that's how they do it.
@HigherPlanes: Well... I don't know, frankly. I would like to hope so. But all classic, scientific evidence seems to be against the fact of a visit.
But then again - if "they" have the tech to travel across the black gulf of the interstellar void, they also have the means to stay undetected, that's certain.
Other dimensions - it always sounds rather esoteric. But as A.C. Clarke put it, any technology beyond our grasp would seem like magic.
All it takes is one breakthrough to prove a seemingly impossible thing. i.e. no one thought we'd get to mars, even more so that the earth was spherical
@Arxxxr: That's exactly what I hope for. And what usually happens. Something so weird that nobody ever dared to think of it... Even though they cut budgets for manned space travel now, eventually we'll get there.
At least not until it becomes a painful necessity. It'd be way better if we were on our way before Space Travel becomes a question of survival for our species.
@Arxxxxr Ah, but imagine if tomorrow, at 30 cities around the globe, there appeared a group of 'visitors' who advised us all that we were not alone, not the pinnacle of creation, and that we were a likely candidate for colonization by the visitors' overwhelming technology+numbers. IOW, we were going to be enslaved and bred as food or drones for their projects or sports. Would we still destroy ourselves, or would we be galvanized into a unit, one force to save ourselves from certain doom? D'oh!
Intergalactic travel is, as of yet, pure science fiction. Interplanetary (as well as interstellar -- though to a lesser extent ) travel is what we're hoping to achieve at the moment. Intergalactic distances are just... unreal.
You can't jump straight to the top of the ladder; you need to climb bit by bit, right, buddy? :)
The equation contains too many unknown factors to be of any practical use. Frank Drake devised it as a means of inspiring interest in SETI, and in that regard, it has been a great succes.
Prehaps the most pertinent of the unknowns will be easier to accurately estimate after Copenhagen.......
this equation changes more year to year now then it ever has. THAT. is awesome. thank you.
sematic1 1 week ago
Love the Drake!
nomobius1 1 week ago
clone him pleasessssssssssss
mideastatheist 3 weeks ago
Carl Sagan was awesome.
But...intelligent life I think is EXTREMELY rare. Think about it for a moment. Life existed on Earth for thousands of millions of years...and yet NOT ONCE did any of them reach intelligence.
Think about the dinosaurs...the roamed the earth for 160 million years...and NONE of them reached intelligence.
By my calculations of the Drake equation the Milky Way galaxy at most may have 2 or 3 planets with intelligent life.
gorfjorf2112112 1 month ago
Rap + giant eyebrows + Degrassi = Drake
There's the equation.
sirLEVITSKY 1 month ago
@sirLEVITSKY Haha, well played sir.
TBV4050 1 month ago
Actualy we need a new Carl Sagan with a Super universal,(Eys Wide Shot),to understand,(maby only a thiny,.00000001 %),of the Infinitly and the Unmajorment non explainable Worlds,Dimentions and the Existence itsef.we need definatly a new Giga,Terra,(Eys Wide Shot),to Understand the Thruth of our Infinit World a littelbet.
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Unimaginable far eway from common Human Bings Thinking and understanding the real World,which hides infinit Dimentions,Worlds and oder Universes,in itself.unfortunatly it seems like,nobody is even trying and interested to understand and reseach things like this.i am deeply sorry and very upset for the huge manipulated Human Bings,that there must be a God or a reason for the hohle Universe and the live itself,to explaine everything.I am realy frustrated about our thinnish smal,aspect.of the Univ.
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How can you justify any claims you make about god when you admit that you don't understand god? Does it make sense for a teacher to teach math if the teacher doesn't understand math? And again, where do you get your information about "god"?
Considering there are many religions claiming their god is the true god, what is the religion you subscribe to?
notyouGOD 2 months ago
Is Carl Sagan in the Death Star?
toniaraujorocha 2 months ago in playlist Carl Sagan & Science
Sagan, could understand perhaps a portion 0.00000000000000000001 of the things of God. Perhaps, if it is in heaven now by God's mercy ... he must be thinking: "My God, how I was ignorant and blind - What peace sublime, What infinite wisdom supreme beauty in holiness in this place unexplained ."
OtonielRochaSC 2 months ago in playlist Carl Sagan & Science
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How exactly did you come to your conclusion of Sagan's understanding compared to "god's"? What classes did you attend or books did you read to give you the idea that you understand "god" at all?
One thing is clear from your statement. Sagan understood far more than you ever will. So please, from now on, whenever you get sick, don't go to a doctor. Because its "god" punishing you for your misdeeds, and you need to pray for forgivness
notyouGOD 2 months ago in playlist carl sagan cosmology universe science astrology
We don't understand God of course,- it is to believed. God is everything, is the essence at all. Time, Matter, space, thought, truth, wisdom, life, that is, it's all what you see and what is not seen.
You speak some truths: I am very fragile and ignorant. And it's very good. God is only where "self" does not exist. You will also tells many lies: Know that in God haven't disease, there is injustice, there is no hatred, there is no harm. But without God has all this and infinitely more waiting.
OtonielRochaSC 2 months ago
I wish there was more teachers like him.
Lexyvil 4 months ago
You tell em Carl. They won't listen, but you tell em. !!!!!
dbonomo123 5 months ago 12
we r not alone! oh shit!
osiris3yhn 5 months ago
Keep in mind he is only estimating for our galaxy, the milky way. They are millions of other galaxies in the universe.
agun17 6 months ago
@agun17 "Millions"?
Billions and billions :)
Sgrunterundt 6 months ago
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Well I guess you could say they are infinite and nobody could say you are wrong. Specialy if you consider the multiple universe theories.
agun17 6 months ago
im a female asian and french upcoming rapper ; )
curencycachet 7 months ago
@curencycachet great
osiris3yhn 5 months ago
No one ever thinks.. 'Maybe humans are the most advanced species.. in the galaxy' Under the theory of evolution, aliens would be just as advanced as humans, given they didn't evolve any faster or slower than us.
irenaprude2010 8 months ago
f(l)=0 with Earth being the exception
N=0 + Earth=1 That's it, nobody out there, not even a tiny bacteria
oviatb 10 months ago
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Carl sagan is a homosexual fag who fucks babies in the ass.
TheCosmicShield 10 months ago
@TheCosmicShield
Mad harder brah
wojo806 10 months ago
I say we act as if we're precious and should preserve our race, as if it were N~10, but be an example as if we were trying to stand out among N~1,000,000.
Carl Sagan, thank you for all you've done.
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Drake equation = there is no such thing as god.
dblacky1977 1 year ago
Sagan was an incurable optimist on this. Almost all life is incapable of interstellar communication.
FiniteLoss 1 year ago
The only way to survive is depopulation, cloning and medical advancements. That's assuming that once humanity reached that point a higher power didn't put a stop to it.
poopyscoopy5 1 year ago
Who is to say we are not the wise older species.
YamiPoyo 1 year ago
i wish he could teach me for my exam tomorrow =(
impamiizgraa 1 year ago
Modern science has big boots to fill, wouldn't you say?
newloser 1 year ago
Last week, (dec. 2010), it was officially re-calculated that the total number of stars is actual 3 times larger than was known. In this video, Carl started the equation with the known number of starts back in 1980, 400 billion. Since then much more stars were dicovered by watching the sky.
The number today is known to be 3 quadrillion. That a 3, followed by 15 zeros.
3.000.000.000.000.000 stars.... --->
assimilator47 1 year ago
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If you take that number, and replace the 4 billion Carl used in the video, than the grimm outlook would be N~not 10, but N~75.000 planets with intelligence and technology, just like ours.
If we would take the optimistic look in the end of the video, N~ not millions, but N~75.000.000.000, or: 75 billion planets, just like ours. With intelligence and modern technology.
75 billion planets just like ours if we are optimistic, or 75.000 planets if we use the least positive outcome.
assimilator47 1 year ago
@assimilator47 Having that said: if the diameter of the known galaxy spans 50 billion lightyears, and there are 75.000 intelligent planets, then the nearest by planet would still be 666.667 lightyears away.
Since our own modern culture only exists for a mere 5.000 years, we would have to be alive for another more 661.667 years to make contact.
assimilator47 1 year ago
@assimilator47
the discovery tripled the amount of stars in the observable universe. carl sagan says there's 400 billion in our galaxy. That's a Milky, followed by the word Way.
400,000,000,000 stars ....
H3NDRlX 1 year ago
If aliens were to exist, Americans would invade their country and bombard their homes and call it fight against alien terrorism.
xxptlare2 1 year ago
@xxptlare2 That's only half of the story. First, we would pretend to be their friends, then when they weren't looking, we'd rape them if their appearance and physiology were amenable, rob them of any resources, and imprison them in "reservations," calling them terrorists if they fought back. That is in the off-chance that this same approach which we use today doesn't wipe out billions of years of evolutionary progress on the planet in an orgy of nuclear assault.
firstnamenavarre 1 year ago
@firstnamenavarre Your explaination seems familiar... kind of like the early US to the Indians... isn't that what we did to them essentially?
aneed2knowbasis 1 year ago
Scientist to the extreme, like Muslim EXtremist.
nbsbb2009 1 year ago
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Or like Christians... without the EXtreme.
newloser 1 year ago
@nbsbb2009 no, because science is not a religion
LenaCS 11 months ago
Brilliant man, foolish science. You can plug in ANY numbers into the Drake equation and come up with different results. So what. Even Sagan himself plugged in different numbers. The first time he got "1" for the answer, and the second time he got "millions" for the answer. Exactly what does this prove? It's all speculative. There's nothing "scientific" about this. I'm a scientist, but even I think this is silly.
ullgeologist 1 year ago
@ullgeologist It's kind of obvious that this is mere speculation, since we have yet to detect extraterrestrial life to begin with. But therefor I don't think it's silly, just a nice brain exercise.
hawaiou 1 year ago
As an aside, think about this equation if we talk about all other galaxies to, and you can multiply the number by over 100 billion, meaning there could be trillions of technological civilisation at any one time, but with limited interaction due to the enormous distances between stars and galaxies requiring a civilisation to survive far into technological maturity before killing itself.
splattyfish 1 year ago
Very nice explanation; obviously so much of it is subjective it is only for debate, but thought provoking anyway. I'm not sure how relevant it is which civilisation are existance simultaneously, because due to the distances apart, by the time they travel to contact one another it would most likely be too late to have interaction, because for all but the nearest you would have to travel near the speed of light and the civilisation would have aged a lot by the time you got there.
splattyfish 1 year ago
Brilliant scientist, even to my generation, inspirational he always will be.
Lucuskane 1 year ago
I say that the last two formulas in the equation should be divided in half. That way, instead of ten civilizations or millions of civilizations, he can say there are hundreds of thousands of them. That would sound more like it. But either way, you are not alone on your planet, I can guarantee you that.
sniggity 1 year ago
It can't be only us, it'd be a huge waste of space :-) They are either extinct or much more advanced than we are. But perhaps... we are the first to venture into the stars. That's also a possibility, but the universe seems a bit too old to me for us to be the first. Mankind, after all, arose with a lot of luck and coincedence.
Gezoes 1 year ago
If we ever do encounter life thats more advanced than we are I personally doubt they would be alien-like beings. An advance extraterrestrial civilization would problably be 'non-biological' beings with intelligence beyond our entire planet combined.
Great video, I always enjoy listening to Carl Sagan.
TheBrightPulse 1 year ago
I think the drake equation is great, perfect even. Though we don't even have half the data to solve the problem
spartacandream 1 year ago
It should be a law that all videos must disable the comment function on youtube. Every time I expose myself to the comprisal of tripe attached to so many of these vids, I feel like killing myself as living on a planet with so many cruel and evil people is very very very discouraging and disheartening. I will say one thing for youtube comments...They are very demonstrative of the apparent true nature of so-called human beings. Not even Carl Sagan can redeem the human race. Hurry Asteroid!
SerenyLaVesser 1 year ago
The video quality make me feel like I'm watching a Dharma Initiative clip from LOST
bpine20 1 year ago
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bpine20 1 year ago
i like the music in the background.
ZeLilFish 1 year ago
I like to also calculate the number of Gas Giants that might inhabit the "Goldilocks Zone". Most of the Giants have moons, like Jupiter and Saturn's moons. Many of these moons show prospects of life. By adding the moons of Gas Giants in the Goldilocks Zone you greatly increase the probability of life. In our miniscule solar system the moons seem to be the better prospect for finding life, besides, of course, the earth...
randy95023 1 year ago
@randy95023 Good point, that reminds me of Avatar.
chairde 1 year ago
I just love the way this guy picks numbers out of a hat to create his equation. All assumptions multiplied by assumptions multiplied by assumptions, and so on, and so on, to arrive at "N"
And this is called science? I call it magical thinking, no different than astrology! Hey, but his name is Sagan, so it must be legitimate and true!
WSGAC 1 year ago
@WSGAC Magical thinking? No different than astrology? You really think that? Really? You do know it's a thought experiment? You did not hear him explain the equation and his reasoning as he went through it? You did not hear him say, " Consider this possibility" - essentially "what if..."? Sagan's estimates are legitimate, sure but no one yet knows the answer. You have to realize even fans of Sagan come up with radically different numbers for the drake equation.
dethaduj 1 year ago
@dethaduj, No his estimates are not legitimate. They are arbitrary and based on something Sagan did not see and had no way of confirming, but assumes to be true....kind of like "faith" which in other contexts he disparages. I could just as easily add 10, or 100, or 1,000 other factors/variables to the Drake equation and come up with greater and greater "improbability" of intelligent life elsewhere in the universe. But because Sagan WANTS to believe in such life, he assumes it must exist.
WSGAC 1 year ago
@WSGAC Are you being neagative? Sure it's legitimate. You said "assumes to be true". Yes, Carl was making assumptions. Making valid assumptions because we don't know the answer to those particular variables. His estimates are as legitimate as yours or mine when there is no data available. His 'faith' as you call it, is different from religion as he would have changed his mind when presented with evidence to the contrary. Oh, and because he is now dead, Sagan no longer believes anything...
dethaduj 1 year ago
@dethaduj, No, not being negative, just realistic. And no, "valid assumptions" are not what Sagan is making. More accurately, they are "arbitrary assumptions." Further, if Sagan's/Drake's assumptions "are as legitimate as yours or mine" as you say, then the equation is meaningless in determining anything. We might just as well use the equation to determine the probability of intelligent life on one of the billions of dust specks floating in your home living room.
WSGAC 1 year ago
@WSGAC Actually scientists have been reviving Drake's equation as of lately. There is a thing called the "Goldilocks" zone where a planet is not too close or too far from the sun in order to sustain life as we know it. Also when scientists look for life they first look for water because water is necessary for the existence of life.
chairde 1 year ago
@chairde, but Sagan assumes much. He says that there will only be some planets suitable for life. How does he know this? And how can he affix a number to it?
He continues, "And on only some of those worlds will intelligence arise!" And how does Sagan know this? And how can he affix a number to it? He has no idea that intelligence will arise, he just claims it to be so. He sure is full of assumptions. I guess that's what he elsewhere disparages as faith.
WSGAC 1 year ago
@WSGAC Actually science knows the number of stars first. Then notes that most stars have planets, then notes how many planets are hard surface rather than gas and on and on. They are "assumptions" based on known facts. Every Science does this. For example we make assumptions about early man based on a only a few bones and stones. We can assume that an animal is a predator just from its teeth. Plant eaters would have more molars etc. Sometimes they are right and sometimes wrong.
chairde 1 year ago
@chairde, Correction - science "estimates" the number of stars. Most stars have planets? Have scientists viewed most of the stars?
Yes science has made many assumptions in the past based on a few bones - See Piltdown man. Or about heavenly bodies - See Ptolemy on "epicycles." See Michael Mann on AGW. See Drake equation....etc...etc...etc.
WSGAC 1 year ago
@WSGAC Science corrects itself when new facts arise. That is the nature of Science. I don't see a problem.
chairde 1 year ago
@WSGAC What are you on about? Do you understand mathematical probabilities? Have you ever read his books which deal with this? It has vast mountains of equations/probabilities etc You're cherry picking and not very good at it.
vjohn82 1 year ago
@vjohn82, Answer: Yes! In fact, if you know the science of computer modelling for predicting the weather you will also know that the "vast mountains of equations/probabilities/weather factors" are legion. And I would hazard to bet that the Drake equation doesn't come close to the reality of what it claims to give an answer to. Indeed, the "factors" involved for life are more numerous than earth's weather!
By the way, do you see how accurate predicting the weather is? LOL!
WSGAC 1 year ago
@WSGAC Sagan has taken the lowest common denominator approach with his explanation. He had probably forgotten more equations that you could ever comprehend in your lifetime. Now fuck off with your internet assembled philosophies.
vjohn82 1 year ago
@vjohn82, I see my last point stumped you, and you thus resorted to name calling. Standard tactic of one who pretends to know something but cannot defend with substance. Sooooo, just bring out the ol' F-bomb. Yeah, that'll work!
Lowest common denominator? What a joke! Try predicting the weather with such a boneheaded approach. You think the same can predict life elsewhere in the universe? Yeah, that'll work! NOT! . . LOL!!!
WSGAC 1 year ago
@WSGAC It hasn't stumped me at all. I just cannot be totally bothered refuting every argument. It makes far much more sense to me, in this limited space, to call you a twat.
vjohn82 1 year ago
@vjohn82 yeah I'm sure you're really honoring the man's memory and his achievements by doing exactly what he'd want you to do, arguing between each other and continuing the trend of creating dissonance in our civilization. Really productive.
davidt0504 1 year ago
@davidt0504 Why would I need to honour the man's memory? I can't be bothered with religious people who genuinely believe that my final destination is hell and will ignore every scientific fact/claim based upon a book written in an age of illiteracy.l Thankfully mankind has moved on where I have the freedom to tell these people exactly what to do with their book.
vjohn82 1 year ago
@vjohn82 well your right you have the freedom to tell them that and can be as condescending as possible but the attitude in which you are approaching the dialogue is only furthering the divide and will not do anything to produce a beneficial reaction. Do you think religious people are really going to listen to you when they think you are the evil atheist who is out to get them? We need to approach everyone with a stance of open dialogue.
davidt0504 1 year ago
@davidt0504 I don;t care if religious people listen or not. Half the time their faith prevents them from listening. The "evil Atheist" remark is non sequitur; the very fact I am labelled as a heretic for not believing in god reduces the entire situation to a farce instantly. I could build my view of a person based upon their conduct but the same is never reciprocated. So, why bother with courtesy with morons and bigots?
vjohn82 1 year ago
@vjohn82 because to do so makes you a moron and a bigot. Maybe not by definition but my point is that you shouldn't lower yourself to that level. Its not becoming. You should always strive to be the best version of yourself possible. I don't believe it would be terribly exhausting to simply not deride them.
davidt0504 1 year ago
Drake equation, it is mathematically impossible for earth to be the only planet with life on it.
multidimensionalman 1 year ago
The Drake Equation says there is NO POSSIBILITY MAN IS ALONE, it is Mathematically Impossible for Man to be alone PERIOD!
multidimensionalman 1 year ago
Wauw, the Von Drake equation...
And there must be millions of civilizations capable of communi blablabla...
What a bunchanonsens.
This "equation" can only be used when we cowmilkdrinkers will find an other planet with life on it. If one planet is found besides earthhole then we can use this equation.
zumobster 1 year ago
"astronomy is a humbling experience" - so true
alexkvaskov 1 year ago
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Drake equation = N= R* x Fp x Ne X Fe x Fi x Fc x L
n = impossible to find, this is why :
R* = possible
Fp = possible
Ne = possible
Simply figuring out these numbers would take thousands upon thousands of years of careful observation.
Fl, Fi, Fc and L are all variables that are completely IMPOSSIBLE to figure out.
This equation is a JOKE, if anybody actually thinks this is legit, you an utter moron.
FamilyGuyRS 1 year ago
@FamilyGuyRS This equation is a JOKE, if anybody actually thinks this is legit, you *are *an utter moron.
Typos suck :P
FamilyGuyRS 1 year ago
@FamilyGuyRS
Your pseudo is showing clearly who you are..., and only ignorants like YOU can say this equation is a joke.Carl Sagan was a kind of Einstein, da Vinci, Beethoven,Mozart, Henri Becquerel.Can someone talk bullshit about those giants?
prodipe23 1 year ago
@prodipe23 only somebody like me who can think for myself and actually look at the equation and realize how much crap it is?
FamilyGuyRS 1 year ago
@FamilyGuyRS They see you trollin', they be hatin'
projectpat0392 1 year ago
@FamilyGuyRS You've missed the point entirely. The equation is not algebra, it's a tool to contemplate our place in the galaxy.
nanomagnetic 1 year ago
@FamilyGuyRS Actually this equation is just an estimate. I know you made your comments some time ago but I thought you should know that no one actually thinks this is the correct answer, it is just a step in the right direction in calculating the possibility of advanced alien life.
Often the great people of Humanity aren't the people who calculate the answer but are the people who ask the question.
Carl Sagan made these theories and ideas easily understandable. Nothing wrong with that...
TheNotoriousTOM 1 year ago
@blainefraserlc ......<--------- is a repty,,,,, your becoming way to obvious, way to predictable......
animwild 1 year ago
Amazing explanation.
luxfair 1 year ago
Carl was a great presenter and I loved watching his TV series. But in this case, Carl makes a huge mistake 5:10 to 5:40. His estimated of technological civilizations is wrong. To calculate the probability of technological civilizations you need to look at planet earth. In planet earth ONLY ONE out of 100 million different species evolved into technological species. That's 0.00000001 not 0.01, if we use the correct probability into Drakes equation we get a very, very different number.
Ishayau 1 year ago
@Ishayau This is just the formula as it was then. It has gone through changes since then. I'm sure you can find the current equation somewhere if you look it up.
MatthiasCorvinu 1 year ago
@Ishayau good comment/observation, although fundamentaly speaking, the point is, we are not alone. If the human race, as one, came to this conclusion our eyes would open to the reality that the truth has been kept from us.....I encourage everyone to be concious of this fact that we are not alone, to beleive it with conviction, with strength, with intuition and always investigate/research, find ask, that is the only path to the truth. Peace
animwild 1 year ago
@animwild I don't think we are alone, just that there are very few Technological civilizations in the universe at any given time. Even in Planet Earth over a period of 4.5 billion years only one technological civilization evolved. This is a good indication that Technological Life is extremely rare, even when you have optimal envioroments.
Ishayau 1 year ago
@Ishayau But my friend, the question was what probability of technological civilizations on a planet with life. In the case of Earth (our sample of one) it's 100%!
dethaduj 1 year ago
@dethaduj The fact that an event happened doesn’t mean that the probability of the event was 100%. The probability of an event is; the number of successful events out of the total population of actual/possible events. If you roll a dice and you get a number, this doesn’t mean that there is a 100% probability of getting it time and time again based on the fact that you got it once. The probability will always be 1/6 in this case. Same goes for technological civilizations.
Ishayau 1 year ago
@Ishayau I know - that was my poor attempt at humor. Wouldn't it be cool if we could rewind earth back to the primordial ooze and watch the evolution and see what develops. Would intelligence and technology appear again. If so how often. Hmmm.
dethaduj 1 year ago
@dethaduj Good point! Press the reset button and let's talk again in ~4 billion years or not, ha,ha
Ishayau 1 year ago
love the music at 7:50 when he says "millions" kinda makes you feel exited:)
gsbextreme 1 year ago
DUDE that guy is a GENIUS,
lol he has a low voice, sounds like a alien ^^
LordSorontur 1 year ago
Light Speed is still too slow to travel a significant distance in space....
There must be things that move faster than light.
GodPiggyX 1 year ago
@GodPiggyX Ah, but if we, in the far future, need to get anywhere quickly we can cheat and use a wormhole!
tsimon1234 1 year ago
@tsimon1234 dude there are trillions of life full worlds....gazzilions.....hubble deep field....the big bang gave birth to an infinite life inhabited universe....man is monkey like and lacks much,,....see Yoda,....
johnsmdm 1 year ago
@johnsmdm Uh... right... what!?
tsimon1234 1 year ago
How lonely it would be, if N~10.
ClamCrunchy 1 year ago 18
@ClamCrunchy 6 billion people on this planet, i don't think we'll be lonely for a while!!!
flipedup 1 year ago
@flipedup too bad most of the scum on this planet wouldn't die... do the same equation but add in the element of low life scumbags call that S sub B. 6 billion would dwindle down to probably 1.5 billion. That is if you take all the retards, scum losers i.e. druggies and people with incurable lusts for little kids and killing people, low lifes with no ambition, or people that ruin peoples lifes intentionally for their own piece of shit amusement.
aneed2knowbasis 1 year ago
@ClamCrunchy thats only in our galaxy tho. 10 x the amount of galaxies = a lot of civilizations.
Dhnetam0rphsis 10 months ago
@ClamCrunchy False estimate. The universe NEVER (think about that word) ends and "all things can and will happen".
kyjodo 9 months ago
@kyjodo If so, then there are an infinite number of copies of ourselves throughout the universe. What does this imply about the afterlife, and religion?
ClamCrunchy 9 months ago
@ClamCrunchy Why not? The very fact that existence even exists is NUTS. If you think about it, neither existence nor inexistence is possible, yet both happen simultaneously. I read this book called "13 things that don't make sense in science - varying constants" and basically through analyzing light from distant stars, they discovered that all the laws governing our understanding of reality were completely different 12 billion years ago. Everything changes so yeah anything is possible in my eyes
kyjodo 9 months ago
sadly Megaphone old son radio waves tend to dissipate with in about 2 to 4 light years... what that means to us lot on the EARTH is simple... our radio waves will fade into the background so no going out 65 years and hoping to pick up the first radio transmissions(let alone television)
pity really i would have liked some thing left behind to sown the universe we where once here!
grahamkeithtodd 1 year ago
In my opinion Carl Sagon errored in chosing to use in his calculations only technologically advance civilizations. He was a man of great knowledge, but gave no consideration for Sun Created Celestials that have permeated our Galaxy, planets, Moon, and atmospheres. They have technical advancements which are not inherent in terrestrial humans. The count is only a minor discrepency between his and my calculations count abd does not take away anything from Carl's brilliant knowledge.
Dabe
doowop62 1 year ago
Mankind cant even get along with their neighbouring countries in a lot of places, god help any civillizations we find if we become an interstellar space faring race. Also almost every issue we have on this planet is down to sheer human ignorance. People need to stop living in happy bubble land and learn some serious sacrificies are needed.
youwinoneinternets 1 year ago 48
@youwinoneinternets Well ignorance is a cause, but so is our monetary system; take away economy, create an on technology depending ressourcebased society of humans and most problems vanish like our concepts of boundaries...
2Draco39 1 year ago
@youwinoneinternets im pretty sure this is why aliens havent contacted us yet
thomaslarssomn 1 year ago
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God help US if we ever encounter a space-faring civilization. When Christopher Columbus came upon the new world, things didn't go well for the Native Americans.
Ekoe10 1 year ago 23
well there are three possibilities. 1. the aliens can be hostile, and clear us out for our resources. 2. They are friendly, visit occasionally and share information with us. 3. They are so much farther advanced that they ignore us. Like a Highway next to an ant hill, until we are advanced enough to share info with them
69Thrasha69 1 year ago
@Ekoe10 Hopefully the aliens will know about our violent history of wars every century, also the fact that humans would rather destory ourselves than give our earth to another species
rikvarga 10 months ago
@rikvarga wrong, humans would rather give earth to others species as long an elite can survive and mistreat the others from they're own species. Look middle east and see the oil lords. They sold they're land and people for pleasure and luxuary.
Pharismo 9 months ago
@Ekoe10 The native probably prayed. That didn't help. I think we'll strike first if we encounter a new civilization.
beatboxpeej 6 months ago
@Ekoe10 I know one Native American, and he was born on a reserve. This doesn't bode well for the human race at all.
EFUgyrgyr 4 months ago
@youwinoneinternets That being said, I'm interested to know how come everybody believes that the space faring nations that we come across will be peaceful. Who's to say that they won't be the same as us, bipolar, with the minority calm, patient, etc, and with a very large majority quick to anger, and with no interest in consequences, especially when ultimate power is given to them, such as a space faring nations would have to have.
elmepo232 1 year ago
@youwinoneinternets Yes...Sacrifices...Maybe like religion?
daninetails867 1 year ago
@youwinoneinternets Carl beleived in us as a civilization and I would have to agree with him. It is our personal choice what given circumstances we will give our focus to, be that negative or positive. We are capable of great good and beauty which has also been magnified over time. The sheer number of charities that man has created gives us hope. Even the birth of a concept called humanity shows that we are still in an infant phase socialogically, but with a great potential that will be made
Lesshardtofind 1 year ago
@youwinoneinternets There is no such thing as god......!!!!
cannywf1 1 year ago
@cannywf1 Your being ignorant.
YamiPoyo 1 year ago
@YamiPoyo you're*. Don't insult someone's intelligence if you're unable to demonstrate your own.
ModernExplorer 1 year ago
@youwinoneinternets why do you think the most advanced civilization in the whole of space has not contacted nor tried to reach us? they prolly know that we're pure evil as a race, the race of greedy evil bloodthirsty human beings.
imiritu 11 months ago 10
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@imiritu so you are evil and bloodthirsty then?
EatinRapedApe 11 months ago
@imiritu maybe cause theyre too far away and dont even know we exist ??? just maybe ...
debateyourfaith 8 months ago
@imiritu I'm sure at some point they were the same way. We're newcomers to this planet and we're descended from predators and I'm sure they are too. Darwinian evolution should be the same all over the Universe, so we can't really call ourselves evil; just young and stupid like teenagers are until they learn and grow up. We're an adolescent species and they were too at some point. They've just worked out their aggressive tendencies.
opiates 6 months ago 2
@imiritu There's a big difference between being flawed and evil. Not to mention calling something evil is like calling something funny. Relativity brah
thecatfondler 5 months ago
@imiritu i'm not sure we're as much evil as we are so blindly stupid that we don't know what's destroying us until it's too late.
EFUgyrgyr 4 months ago
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@imiritu i'm not sure we're as much evil as we are so blindly stupid that we don't know what's destroying us until it's too late.
EFUgyrgyr 4 months ago
@imiritu Well if the calculations are correct, just the fact that we haven't blown our planet to a giant desert, shows that we aren't as bad as the other civilizations that have gown down to shit and obliterated, maybe we aren't as "pure evil" as you think, maybe there's just stupid people in charge in modern day, and you look at them and not anything else for your representation of humanity, getting only the bad from it.
xNoTriggerx 3 months ago 3
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Exactly.
jackiedegracia 2 months ago in playlist Carl Sagan & Science
You know what's interesting? I've noticed that the more technology starts to take over our lives, we start having less and less contact with people and then this guy's view of humanity becomes common. So in other words, the less human contact we have, the more we come to the conclusion that we're "all bad". But our relative isolation renders this conclusion to be unsubstantiated.
jackiedegracia 2 months ago in playlist Carl Sagan & Science
@imiritu not all of us are dumb or greedy
FIGHTFANNERD3 3 months ago
@imiritu
Actually, Mr. Misanthropist, they probably don't even know we exist. And this suggests that other species wouldn't be just as "evil" as we are, as we are predators in a predatory world.
Either way you generalize. What, you've never met even one good and decent person? Maybe you need to turn off the News, the internet and go for a walk. I'm not trying to be an ass, but I notice the more I immerse myself in such negativity, the more negative I become.
jackiedegracia 2 months ago in playlist Carl Sagan & Science
@jackiedegracia No, you're no ass for saying so. You're predictable for it though. I have never met a human being whose actions I could not generally predict, because humans are so predictable, that's why I stay away. You draw people in to assimilate them into society so that they can follow your social norms and rules and guidlines, all of which I will not follow, and hence most people will hate me for it. Notice how the anti social kids the one always bullied by others? Because he's different,
imiritu 1 month ago
@imiritu they hate him. This is why aliens would not come to our world, is becuase aliens would probably be far more advanced than us, and have seen how humans hate what is different, most of all.
imiritu 1 month ago
The old LED counters on those machines in the opening are an example of how far we have come. Imagine in 200 years...
Maybe in time people will be able to grasp these concepts. Sagan was a genius, it's undeniable.
threepeice 1 year ago 2
Hey there's so much talk about ufo's and the disclosure but nothing is happening so hears an idea that we can all try. on the 7th of March 2010 at 10:30 PM your time. Every one go out side and look up and take a picture or a video of the night sky and if we all do this at lease one of us should be able to get a picture of something like a UFO.
realman440 1 year ago 3
Carl Sagan = Science's Jesus.
(by which i mean ambassador, proseletyzer... NOT a con man using shills :) )
walter0bz 1 year ago
the" incomprable" carl sagan a true genius
mezansky 1 year ago 4
i could watch this stuff all day!
bkirk1979 1 year ago 11
I wish Carl Sagan were my father.
BigC1111 2 years ago 5
Haha. Awesome.
mpalm887 2 years ago
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ThingsBetweenTimes 2 years ago
There IS an enormous number of stars.
God damn it Carl, you're supposed to be a master of the language!
minetruly 2 years ago
ha, yes well spotted, i missed it at the start
zodiacie 2 years ago
i dont feel to trusty with this guy id this from like the 70s?
cardsmaster12 2 years ago
Yes, but there is no reason that this equation wouldn't apply to today. Plus, Carl Sagan was a brilliant man :3
GiveMeYourAsians 2 years ago 23
You may not trust him because his head looks like a balloon. Take a second look.
bootsdog3 2 years ago
if we or our alien friends don't discover a way to traverse immense distances we're doomed to ourselves....and inevitable exinction.
noblepuker 2 years ago 4
Then there are millions or even billions of civilizations if you take into account the billions of galaxies in the universe.
HigherPlanes 2 years ago
Right mate. But so far we can't even bridge the four light years or so to Alpha Centauri. *sigh* How are we gonna get across to another galaxy?
CaptainFootos 2 years ago
Good question. But I don't know the answer. Do you believe that we're being visited by Aliens? If we are being visited, they found a way to travel across great distances.
I think the key is accessing other dimensions. If we are being visited, I think that's how they do it.
HigherPlanes 2 years ago
@HigherPlanes: Well... I don't know, frankly. I would like to hope so. But all classic, scientific evidence seems to be against the fact of a visit.
But then again - if "they" have the tech to travel across the black gulf of the interstellar void, they also have the means to stay undetected, that's certain.
Other dimensions - it always sounds rather esoteric. But as A.C. Clarke put it, any technology beyond our grasp would seem like magic.
CaptainFootos 2 years ago 3
All it takes is one breakthrough to prove a seemingly impossible thing. i.e. no one thought we'd get to mars, even more so that the earth was spherical
Arxxxxr 1 year ago
@Arxxxr: That's exactly what I hope for. And what usually happens. Something so weird that nobody ever dared to think of it... Even though they cut budgets for manned space travel now, eventually we'll get there.
CaptainFootos 1 year ago 2
Hopefully...
Because of the current situation, terrorism and global warming, we do not have to time or money to pour into going to distant stars
Arxxxxr 1 year ago 2
At least not until it becomes a painful necessity. It'd be way better if we were on our way before Space Travel becomes a question of survival for our species.
CaptainFootos 1 year ago
@Arxxxxr Ah, but imagine if tomorrow, at 30 cities around the globe, there appeared a group of 'visitors' who advised us all that we were not alone, not the pinnacle of creation, and that we were a likely candidate for colonization by the visitors' overwhelming technology+numbers. IOW, we were going to be enslaved and bred as food or drones for their projects or sports. Would we still destroy ourselves, or would we be galvanized into a unit, one force to save ourselves from certain doom? D'oh!
chubbsuperfly 1 year ago
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FieryPhoenix7 1 year ago
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Intergalactic travel is, as of yet, pure science fiction. Interplanetary (as well as interstellar -- though to a lesser extent ) travel is what we're hoping to achieve at the moment. Intergalactic distances are just... unreal.
You can't jump straight to the top of the ladder; you need to climb bit by bit, right, buddy? :)
FieryPhoenix7 1 year ago
E 51, 50....
AMULET72 2 years ago
The equation contains too many unknown factors to be of any practical use. Frank Drake devised it as a means of inspiring interest in SETI, and in that regard, it has been a great succes.
Prehaps the most pertinent of the unknowns will be easier to accurately estimate after Copenhagen.......
crocfme 2 years ago 3
*40,000 million
byteresistor 2 years ago
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It isn't in the bible so it can't be true.
ProcyonAlpha 2 years ago