Friends, we must realize that there are always two forces as work in the world, good and evil. This is for our own good so we can see the difference and choose, even move back and forth and hopefully end up more good than bad. But in the music world, since about 1960, evil has taken full control of most all music and that is why we have loud ugly electronic noise created by greedy companies to rip us off and dull our minds thus addicting us to their bad product. So we oppose them. Dr. L Miller
First forget EVERYTHING about piano that anyone has ever known. That's hard for anyone who plays piano already. Absolutely NO chords, NO arpeggios, NO runs, absolutely NOTHING at all from Western 'music.' If you can't do that, forget about using piano for Persian or Eastern music. It can only be used as an Eastern instrument with NO Western anything or it becomes a horrible ugly disruption. Just use index fingers as a santur, koto, ranad, etc. Never mix East & West, learn Eastern only. Dr. L.M.
I'm a persian piano player very much interested in Iranian modal scales. But unfortunately I have not been able to find somme one to help me with the dastgahs and the gushehs. Can you please guide me? I have a fairly good classical background ( I started at the age of 5 and I'm 43 now) and have learned some what to play in the satur manner but what I need is to understand the structure. Thank you for your help.
You can read about the unbelievable adventures of Dr. Lloyd Miller traveling and performing through the Middle East and beyond by going to the jazzscope website and clicking on Sufi, Saint & Swinger. Some of the adventures playing and jamming in many musical styles around the Middle East during 7 years are very enlightening and fun reading.
Read about he unbelievable adventures of Dr. Lloyd Miller traveling and performing through the Middle East and beyond by going to the jazzscope website and clicking on Sufi, Saint & Swinger.
The reason this piano performance sounds like correct Persian classical music is the way it is played. I used no European techniques or any Western ideas at all. I only played correct dastgah music, Segah as it would be played on a santur. Piano can only be used in this way in Eastern music, otherwise it sounds so ugly when they use chords and other Western things. I play jazz piano too but in a totally different way. Everything has a place but mixing techiques is usually wrong. Dr.Lloyd. Miller
Greetings. Yes this is just a regular piano they had at NIRT in the 1970s/ a Petrov, I think. I merely retuned two of the notes to be semi-flats. The skill is in using santur (hammered dulcimer) techniques and playing as if it wasn/t a piano but a santur. I play fairly good jazz piano; but none of the Western piano techniques were ever used or even thought of for this performance. That is the only way to use a Western instrument; all Western concepts must be totally abandoned. Dr. Lloyd Miller
The Golha programs were mostly semi-pop and not correct dastgah according to the radif of Mirzabdullah and Hossein Qoli, That is why master Dr. Safvat founded the Center for Preservation and Propagation at NIRT because authentic Persian music was nearly dead. Mahjubi used bad swinging left chording on piano and all those 'pianists' played fake Persian music not authentic dastgah. Piano should be either Bach, Bill Evans or pure dastgah, not a bad blend of the worst of East and West. Dr. L. Miller
Mahjubi and Maroufi, composers and players in 50's and 60's, were excellent in playing Iranian Dastgahs on piano and have left us
masterpieces in Persian music during 60's and 70's.
These maestros have left us a treasure of Persian music as Golha and Taknavazan programs that are known as the best Persian songs and compositions ever made.
I am pretty sure you have listened to some of their compositions and songs.
Friends, thanks for the kiknd remarks. The reason I put this Persian piano piece on NIRTV in 1974 was to demonstrate that pianoe can only be used in Eastern music if it is totally Eastern without one drop of Western classical or pop in it. In Iran, they were abusing piano so badly that I had to do this video hoping that people would realize that piano does not belong in Eastern music at all, especially the way it was being played. It should only be used as a Persian instrument. Dr. Lloyd Miller
This is so amazing. I never thought a piano could sound just like a santoor! This must have been like learning to speak a different tongue. What an effort!
Dear friends, Sorry if I have to call rock what it is; but it is non-music and is a big block in the path of honest and authentic artistic expression and all the beautiful sound that could be on the radio instead. Until rock goes away, none of us who are tying to emphasize another path will ever be able to do anthing other than have a few Youtube friends drop by and enjoy a little tradition. Otherwise we alternative traditional artists are as good as dead for now. Dr. Lloyd Miller
Bali qorbon, bande-ye nachiz hamun Doktor Miller mibadsham ta ruzi ke mimiram va mardom ra hamuntor khoshhal konam. Yes I am Dr. Miller, for now anyway, until I drop dead and make everyone happy. Dr. Lloyd Miller
It was a regular piano maybe I think Petrov which was used in Iran in the 70s. I had to retune some of the notes to quarter tones fo the dastgah or mode Segah which uses two semi-flats, one on the third and one on the 6th. I tuned them back immediately after the performance so I could play jazz for other tapings. Dr. Lloyd Miller
The only way to put together Eastern music and jazz, not rock because it is too Satanic, ugly and obnoxious, is to place them side by side without trying to mix them. They don;t mix like oil and water and trying to do that only lowers the musical quality of each and you end up with some horrible bad pop sound. To se a good example of placing jazz and Estern music and instruments side by side go to my other youtube site "lloyddocmiller" and watch gole gandom. Thanks, Dr. Lloyd Miller
Dr. Miller, you are a great talent. However, disparaging other forms of music (rock for example) is not fair. I understand the concept of side by side placement versus mixing, which is fine, but using such strong language in describing rock music isn't fair for the genre and it casts you in a somewhat negative light (in my mind). The world of music continues to thrive because of rock, rap and Eastern jazz. Peace man.
@doctorlloydmiller This is an oddly stupid comment from such a smart man. Perhaps it is only by wearing the blinders narrowing your vision that you achieve the brilliance of your performance?
Which notes have been tuned to 1/4 notes for this scale? Thx
ashkangolparian1 3 weeks ago
Amazing
ashkangolparian1 3 weeks ago
Friends, we must realize that there are always two forces as work in the world, good and evil. This is for our own good so we can see the difference and choose, even move back and forth and hopefully end up more good than bad. But in the music world, since about 1960, evil has taken full control of most all music and that is why we have loud ugly electronic noise created by greedy companies to rip us off and dull our minds thus addicting us to their bad product. So we oppose them. Dr. L Miller
worldartsdocmiller 1 year ago
@worldartsdocmiller well said, Ostad!
shariotoflove 2 months ago
great job doc.
Erotician 1 year ago
great job doc.
Erotician 1 year ago
awsome...
I'm a santur player(a traditional persian musical instrument) which these songs are basically adapted for this instrument.
Doctor Miller play these songs beautifully with piano.
bloodyiran 1 year ago
just play piano like santoor!!! can you yourself do the same?!? I really appreciate all non Iranian persons who interested in Iranian Culture.
Mostofi110 1 year ago
First forget EVERYTHING about piano that anyone has ever known. That's hard for anyone who plays piano already. Absolutely NO chords, NO arpeggios, NO runs, absolutely NOTHING at all from Western 'music.' If you can't do that, forget about using piano for Persian or Eastern music. It can only be used as an Eastern instrument with NO Western anything or it becomes a horrible ugly disruption. Just use index fingers as a santur, koto, ranad, etc. Never mix East & West, learn Eastern only. Dr. L.M.
worldartsdocmiller 1 year ago
Dear Dr,
I'm a persian piano player very much interested in Iranian modal scales. But unfortunately I have not been able to find somme one to help me with the dastgahs and the gushehs. Can you please guide me? I have a fairly good classical background ( I started at the age of 5 and I'm 43 now) and have learned some what to play in the satur manner but what I need is to understand the structure. Thank you for your help.
misterdubarareh 1 year ago
You can read about the unbelievable adventures of Dr. Lloyd Miller traveling and performing through the Middle East and beyond by going to the jazzscope website and clicking on Sufi, Saint & Swinger. Some of the adventures playing and jamming in many musical styles around the Middle East during 7 years are very enlightening and fun reading.
worldartsdocmiller 1 year ago
Read about he unbelievable adventures of Dr. Lloyd Miller traveling and performing through the Middle East and beyond by going to the jazzscope website and clicking on Sufi, Saint & Swinger.
worldartsdocmiller 1 year ago
Inspiring video - thank you very much!
Alberad08 1 year ago
The reason this piano performance sounds like correct Persian classical music is the way it is played. I used no European techniques or any Western ideas at all. I only played correct dastgah music, Segah as it would be played on a santur. Piano can only be used in this way in Eastern music, otherwise it sounds so ugly when they use chords and other Western things. I play jazz piano too but in a totally different way. Everything has a place but mixing techiques is usually wrong. Dr.Lloyd. Miller
worldartsdocmiller 2 years ago
Dr. Miller, lots of love and appreciation. This sounds exactly like Santoor. Could you please explain how this Piano sounds like that?
Shoorangeez 2 years ago
Greetings. Yes this is just a regular piano they had at NIRT in the 1970s/ a Petrov, I think. I merely retuned two of the notes to be semi-flats. The skill is in using santur (hammered dulcimer) techniques and playing as if it wasn/t a piano but a santur. I play fairly good jazz piano; but none of the Western piano techniques were ever used or even thought of for this performance. That is the only way to use a Western instrument; all Western concepts must be totally abandoned. Dr. Lloyd Miller
worldartsdocmiller 2 years ago 3
@worldartsdocmiller you are a true inspiration. khelie mamnun dadash.
Deep respect,
David Berner
sarangistrategy 2 years ago
Amazing. Is this a regular piano?
glorplaxy 2 years ago
superbe! bravo
kevan10 2 years ago
immaculate, beautiful, great!
tardidnet 2 years ago
Love it
Can Anyone help me find out the name of the song on my vid, thanks :D
qazqazqaz1234567 2 years ago
The Golha programs were mostly semi-pop and not correct dastgah according to the radif of Mirzabdullah and Hossein Qoli, That is why master Dr. Safvat founded the Center for Preservation and Propagation at NIRT because authentic Persian music was nearly dead. Mahjubi used bad swinging left chording on piano and all those 'pianists' played fake Persian music not authentic dastgah. Piano should be either Bach, Bill Evans or pure dastgah, not a bad blend of the worst of East and West. Dr. L. Miller
worldartsdocmiller 2 years ago
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asemaany 2 years ago
Dear Dr. Miller,I appreciate your efforts.
Mahjubi and Maroufi, composers and players in 50's and 60's, were excellent in playing Iranian Dastgahs on piano and have left us
masterpieces in Persian music during 60's and 70's.
These maestros have left us a treasure of Persian music as Golha and Taknavazan programs that are known as the best Persian songs and compositions ever made.
I am pretty sure you have listened to some of their compositions and songs.
Regards, Kourosh
kourosh61 2 years ago
dr lioyd miller baese iftekhare iranian hasti,,,,tashakor az in video,,,drcosar,,,
222012012202 2 years ago
Friends, thanks for the kiknd remarks. The reason I put this Persian piano piece on NIRTV in 1974 was to demonstrate that pianoe can only be used in Eastern music if it is totally Eastern without one drop of Western classical or pop in it. In Iran, they were abusing piano so badly that I had to do this video hoping that people would realize that piano does not belong in Eastern music at all, especially the way it was being played. It should only be used as a Persian instrument. Dr. Lloyd Miller
worldartsdocmiller 2 years ago
almost 40 years ago.
chaghar 2 years ago
It is absolutely amazing. Thanks a million for sharing this piece of masterpiece.
amirrezahanifi 2 years ago
taktir
chaghar 2 years ago
This is so amazing. I never thought a piano could sound just like a santoor! This must have been like learning to speak a different tongue. What an effort!
Thanks for sharing this.
isama251 2 years ago
taktir
chaghar 2 years ago
Note that he plays WITHOUT NOTE! Well done!
asdjohn2005 2 years ago
Well done!! He is so talented. Unbelieveable. Exactly like Santoor. Thanks for posting this interesting video!
asdjohn2005 2 years ago
taktir
chaghar 2 years ago
Dear friends, Sorry if I have to call rock what it is; but it is non-music and is a big block in the path of honest and authentic artistic expression and all the beautiful sound that could be on the radio instead. Until rock goes away, none of us who are tying to emphasize another path will ever be able to do anthing other than have a few Youtube friends drop by and enjoy a little tradition. Otherwise we alternative traditional artists are as good as dead for now. Dr. Lloyd Miller
worldartsdocmiller 2 years ago
i love this, its beautiful
ccccyyyrruuussss 2 years ago
I thought it was a piano - santur duet at first! I'm amazed at how he can mimic the santur's sound.
ralang999 2 years ago
damn!
he just plays piano like santoor !
PersianCheetah 2 years ago 9
exactly !
shidehzarei 1 year ago
@PersianCheetah
Yes, that's true. And even the piano is tuned differently than the classical piano to match Santoor
MohammadAmiry 1 year ago
beautiful sound
nycfemale2008 2 years ago
I have only recently 'discovered' Persian music as a result of a post-grad course - this is beautiful, thank you
handelsoprano 3 years ago
How nice!
Dr. Miller,
How do you play Teremolo on piano?
Do you use one, two or three fingers?
bmusician08 3 years ago
Dr. Miller,
I had not heard your music since 1968 at U of U.
It was absolutely fantastic and I congratulate you for your loyalty and promotion of our great music.
I look forward for a chance to hear you play in person.
My bast, Kamran
kamamir 3 years ago
Thanks too much Dr Miller . It is really fantastic...
anahitanahit 3 years ago
Bali qorbon, bande-ye nachiz hamun Doktor Miller mibadsham ta ruzi ke mimiram va mardom ra hamuntor khoshhal konam. Yes I am Dr. Miller, for now anyway, until I drop dead and make everyone happy. Dr. Lloyd Miller
worldartsdocmiller 3 years ago
آیا یراستی شما دکتر میلر هستید؟؟؟
ThePersianGulf 3 years ago
Hey, Lloyd, what's up? This video still blows me away; of all the things one could do with a piano, this one is the most creative.
liamstoaster 3 years ago
Wonderful .. what an honour to hear your music. I plan to buy your videos soon. Thank you for bringing this voice forward.
YogiFish -
TheAgencyNetwork 3 years ago
It was a regular piano maybe I think Petrov which was used in Iran in the 70s. I had to retune some of the notes to quarter tones fo the dastgah or mode Segah which uses two semi-flats, one on the third and one on the 6th. I tuned them back immediately after the performance so I could play jazz for other tapings. Dr. Lloyd Miller
LloydDocMiller 3 years ago
Beautiful, What kind of piano is that?
hammerguy1512 3 years ago
the piano sounds and i think is replacing the Persian instrument of Santour, which i think was the instument where the piano derived
yashil17 3 years ago
Thank yuou for your kind words and for watching the video. Dr. Lloyd Miller
worldartsdocmiller 3 years ago
that's lovely, opened a new world to me
Arminpage 3 years ago
I tried mixing arab with blues and
asked for help.
but only
few reactions
I'll put the file here if you accept
I'm going to try this one too but will try make it groove.
ankhaton 3 years ago
The only way to put together Eastern music and jazz, not rock because it is too Satanic, ugly and obnoxious, is to place them side by side without trying to mix them. They don;t mix like oil and water and trying to do that only lowers the musical quality of each and you end up with some horrible bad pop sound. To se a good example of placing jazz and Estern music and instruments side by side go to my other youtube site "lloyddocmiller" and watch gole gandom. Thanks, Dr. Lloyd Miller
doctorlloydmiller 3 years ago
Dr. Miller, you are a great talent. However, disparaging other forms of music (rock for example) is not fair. I understand the concept of side by side placement versus mixing, which is fine, but using such strong language in describing rock music isn't fair for the genre and it casts you in a somewhat negative light (in my mind). The world of music continues to thrive because of rock, rap and Eastern jazz. Peace man.
aghily 2 years ago
@doctorlloydmiller This is an oddly stupid comment from such a smart man. Perhaps it is only by wearing the blinders narrowing your vision that you achieve the brilliance of your performance?
stikmanz 1 year ago
@stikmanz what he says is true, chords in solo instruments dont exist in Iranian Sonati music. have some respect for such an ostad!
shariotoflove 2 months ago