I did sound for a band that used the DW 26in kick drum and when it was mic'ed, it always clipped. Does the subkick get rid of this without using compression?
If anyone wants a great kick sound, my personal favorite combo is a Crown PCC-160 inside the kick on a pillow and a Shure Beta52 in the hole on the front of the kick. Roll off the lows on the crown and roll off the highs on the B52 and youre set.
@MadBassist2 I agree - 2 mics on the kick rocks. The Subkick may be convenient for the engineer that evening, but when it's time for mixdown, it still has to be processed like everything else - nothing goes completely untouched for a recording. If it were more cost effective, I might consider it, but the the Beta52 is a good weapon of choice for recording.
@AntonyArmada I can't help thinking they'd be quite easy to home-brew. Have you made one yourself or do you know someone who has? I'd be interested to hear about it.
Great video, thanks for posting. I can't believe some people cannot hear the difference the subkick makes to the sound! (you need to use decent speakers folks!) I thought the biggest improvement was with the little 18x14 bass drum, which sounded pathetic with only one mic but sounded great with both mics blended.
@ZobiLaCheum: He was able to solo the Subkick by placing a microphone incide the bass drum. By doing this he can control the mix and isolate each sound.
@ZobiLaCheum la question est bizarerement poser...quesque tu appel isoler le subkick enfaite? le SK c'est un micro au meme titre que le 602, brancher sur 2 piste differentes, donc tu fait ce que tu veux au mix..on dirai que tu pense que le SK emet un son, je me trompe? (le probleme doit etre regler depuis 5 moi mais je suis curieux de savoir ce que tu entendais par "isoler le SK" ;)
ive heared these things live, when MEGADETH's drummer Shawn Drover used em, they sound damn good but truth be told ive never gotten too familiar with these things.. in fact i caught myself wondering "what the hell is that thing!!!????" well aside the "quality" of the camera mic im gonna go ahead and save up to get me one of these
the truth this video is not anything that helped me just shows you the sound if that is now more or less but as you connect the subkick? as subkick alone? subkick that you hit the drum instead of the function which is really? to connect the subkick?
Guys - i made this myself using 12" woofer only- the reason some stupid sound engineers are using two mcs is because they think attack can be taken from the batttones to minus 3 er head and sub effect from the resonant one. In fact attack is just lower bass freq in shorter time- my advice is- take 12" woofer connect to xlr put it into your mixser mic input (DO NOT USE PHANTOM) NEVER EVERand reduce bass and ,middle and hi tones - i can give you some samples
doesnt amtter. The combination of the Senn kick mic and the yamaha subkick works nicely, theres click and punch, with a little more tweeking it would be fine
No need for the Senn kick mic if you ask me! pair the SM57 and the sub mic..
The senn mic was a waste of $ for this config.
I'm not attacking.. Just that so many times I see people using a kick mic with a sub mic.. and its just pointless.. the kick mic is rolled off and only the attack is used.
Do you have the B52 and the D6 to do a A/B with all those nice kick drums...???
cheers..
check my video of the SM57 as a kick mic.. no sub mic.
so im kinda lost here.. is the subwoofer playing back what the kick drum is playing? i can clearly hear the difference, but i would like to know what what the subkick/the subwoofer actually does that makes the kick sound diff..?
@buddyace37931 ok, this is essintialy a subwoofer/driver speaker mounted in a drum sell. there is postitive and negative terminals on the sub as with all ofther speakers. A mic cable is pluged up to the terminals some way (I really never looked to see how) and then plugged into a pa/mixer/interface/. So when you hit the kick, the speaker vibrations only pick up the real LOW end of the bass drum (around 20-30 hertz, which is something that you fell more, hear less)so I hope that helped you out.
I just made my own out of old stereo speakers and it sounds almost exactly the same as the real thing but waaaay cheaper!!!so In my opinion your better off making your own
That sums it up nicely!
gavinhammon 2 months ago
thanks great vid! love that tama!
gotstahavesoul 5 months ago
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is it a NS10 LF in the Yamaha Subkick??
thekobsta 5 months ago
is it an NS10 LF in the Yamaha Subkick??
thekobsta 5 months ago
love how the tama sounds way better
dimetilldeath 6 months ago
Sounds good but your kicking technique lacks manliness. Don't be afraid to hit hard, its the best way to get a nice tone out of the drum.
Smallmo123 6 months ago 2
the 24 inch bass sounds so good man
XDrumHxCX 6 months ago
WOW! This definitely saves you from boosting the lows on the EQ! I have to get me one of these.
saturanalog 8 months ago
I did sound for a band that used the DW 26in kick drum and when it was mic'ed, it always clipped. Does the subkick get rid of this without using compression?
SickAmongThePure1 8 months ago
Hey man i got a questions. What exactly does that subkick thing do? ive seen it on a few studio updates but i dont know what it does. Thanks.
PoliticalDestruction 8 months ago
thanks for the demonstration, it helped alot
9995655 11 months ago
kik it
BANGERS68 11 months ago
just wondering..has anyone plugged the subkick into a effects processor or somthing...to give it different sound (phaser, compressor, etc)??
Sirbersha1ot 1 year ago
WOW
Rokkinpogoroshi8 1 year ago
bzvz....
MelmacRiders 1 year ago
wtf !!!
how many dw drums do you have o.O
crackoish 1 year ago
not much different though. I prefer using Kick port sound naturally and way cheaper.
Jazzdrummer83 1 year ago
I hear the difference but its not enough to make me want to go out and buy one.
TheKanz09 1 year ago
If anyone wants a great kick sound, my personal favorite combo is a Crown PCC-160 inside the kick on a pillow and a Shure Beta52 in the hole on the front of the kick. Roll off the lows on the crown and roll off the highs on the B52 and youre set.
MadBassist2 1 year ago
@MadBassist2 I agree - 2 mics on the kick rocks. The Subkick may be convenient for the engineer that evening, but when it's time for mixdown, it still has to be processed like everything else - nothing goes completely untouched for a recording. If it were more cost effective, I might consider it, but the the Beta52 is a good weapon of choice for recording.
FlatlineLinx 1 year ago
These are great but anyone who actually buys the Yamaha one is an idiot. Just make one yourself for under £20!
AntonyArmada 1 year ago
@AntonyArmada you 've right but I pay mine under 20£ ahahah
willkarling 1 year ago 10
@AntonyArmada I can't help thinking they'd be quite easy to home-brew. Have you made one yourself or do you know someone who has? I'd be interested to hear about it.
iAmTheSquidThing 1 year ago
@AntonyArmada Make one from what exactly?
surflouis1 1 year ago
@AntonyArmada idiot here. haha. how do you make one for cheap? i think i'm just gonna sell mine.
itsadeepburn 1 year ago
@AntonyArmada Do you reckon you get the same results without the drum shell? Russ miller talks about how the shell adds depth and tone to the sound.
ultrastu 1 year ago
Great video, thanks for posting. I can't believe some people cannot hear the difference the subkick makes to the sound! (you need to use decent speakers folks!) I thought the biggest improvement was with the little 18x14 bass drum, which sounded pathetic with only one mic but sounded great with both mics blended.
Phrase 1 year ago
@Phrase LOL Monitors do make a difference! Sounds great on a 2.1 JBL4300 system (2 JBL4326's and matching sub 4312). I can hear the effort!
FlatlineLinx 1 year ago
dw bass drums always sound like crap to me... boxy, thin and no character...
Buhzie15 1 year ago
@Buhzie15 not if you tune them correctly.
spartacus198801 1 year ago
@Buhzie15 Are you crazy..?
Trmnatr 1 year ago
@Buhzie15 If they sounded like crap, Neil Peart wouldnt use them.
MadBassist2 1 year ago
@MadBassist2 i didnt say neil peart said they sounded like crap. I said that they sound like crap to me.
Buhzie15 1 year ago
@Buhzie15 true. Almost any mic can sound the way you want with a little EQ
MadBassist2 1 year ago
hehe, I saw one of these in a shop some while ago, and I thought it was a fancy speaker :P
srh1502 1 year ago
i actually prefer the sound if the kick on its own
theworldofrocknroll 1 year ago
what a waste of money
klyon3 1 year ago
Wtf is the difference..
VicenteKidd 1 year ago
@VicenteKidd You're probably on a laptop with shitty speakers, if not, you should get your hearing checked bro.
javi9446 1 year ago
@javi9446 Your right i am on a laptop:b,
and i do have bad hearing cuz of drumming ha.
VicenteKidd 1 year ago
escusez moi mais ... on peut obtenir le meme resultat avec un Eq sur le kick quand meme ! ? :s
mickoin2 1 year ago
Salut Will,
Une question de novice : Comment places-tu le micro pour isoler le subkick ainsi ?
How did you manage to solo'd the Subkick?
Merci pour les vidéos.
ZobiLaCheum 1 year ago
@ZobiLaCheum ben comme sur les photos.
willkarling 1 year ago
@ZobiLaCheum: He was able to solo the Subkick by placing a microphone incide the bass drum. By doing this he can control the mix and isolate each sound.
Christophersvanek 1 year ago
@ZobiLaCheum la question est bizarerement poser...quesque tu appel isoler le subkick enfaite? le SK c'est un micro au meme titre que le 602, brancher sur 2 piste differentes, donc tu fait ce que tu veux au mix..on dirai que tu pense que le SK emet un son, je me trompe? (le probleme doit etre regler depuis 5 moi mais je suis curieux de savoir ce que tu entendais par "isoler le SK" ;)
Honeythebeebee 11 months ago
I bet slipknot uses that shiit and with a muffled bass drum and the metal things for the double bass.
INCBasement 1 year ago
@INCBasement - No, Triggers
Rimpianto 1 year ago
@Rimpianto But wen i used a drum mic i can play sulfur perfectly cuz the loudness
INCBasement 1 year ago
it would be awsome if it had a longer punchy sustain like a real sub in a car
planbskater565 1 year ago
Not something I'd pay $400 for but it sounds awesome :D
WhenxChristxReturnsx 1 year ago
ive heared these things live, when MEGADETH's drummer Shawn Drover used em, they sound damn good but truth be told ive never gotten too familiar with these things.. in fact i caught myself wondering "what the hell is that thing!!!????" well aside the "quality" of the camera mic im gonna go ahead and save up to get me one of these
GearsOfWar01000 1 year ago
the truth this video is not anything that helped me just shows you the sound if that is now more or less but as you connect the subkick? as subkick alone? subkick that you hit the drum instead of the function which is really? to connect the subkick?
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inmutochanel 1 year ago
Haven't you seen that one Bob Gatzen video where he tells you not to let your mic cable rest on the head? Tsk tsk.
OwMyQuach 1 year ago
These things sound amazing with good mixing, I can upload an example of how they sound in music if anyone wants to hear?
LostInVerona 1 year ago
Guys - i made this myself using 12" woofer only- the reason some stupid sound engineers are using two mcs is because they think attack can be taken from the batttones to minus 3 er head and sub effect from the resonant one. In fact attack is just lower bass freq in shorter time- my advice is- take 12" woofer connect to xlr put it into your mixser mic input (DO NOT USE PHANTOM) NEVER EVERand reduce bass and ,middle and hi tones - i can give you some samples
McSamiec 1 year ago
it sounds better with the tama drums
TheParalental 1 year ago 9
how many dw kits do you have?
987654321adam 1 year ago
@jordanjcm just change your PC monitor or buy a Fucking hight quality headphone budy :)
willkarling 1 year ago 2
what exactly does that do?
JazzNaySean 1 year ago
omg sound it's like from hell ;D amazing!
MartaDzika 1 year ago
doesnt amtter. The combination of the Senn kick mic and the yamaha subkick works nicely, theres click and punch, with a little more tweeking it would be fine
crackshotnoodles 1 year ago
No need for the Senn kick mic if you ask me! pair the SM57 and the sub mic..
The senn mic was a waste of $ for this config.
I'm not attacking.. Just that so many times I see people using a kick mic with a sub mic.. and its just pointless.. the kick mic is rolled off and only the attack is used.
Do you have the B52 and the D6 to do a A/B with all those nice kick drums...???
cheers..
check my video of the SM57 as a kick mic.. no sub mic.
girotube 1 year ago
I made an 8" and 10" out of old subwoofers mounted in shells, with a compressor you can get a long, sustained almost 808 sound.
94XJ 1 year ago
so im kinda lost here.. is the subwoofer playing back what the kick drum is playing? i can clearly hear the difference, but i would like to know what what the subkick/the subwoofer actually does that makes the kick sound diff..?
buddyace37931 1 year ago
the subkick is actually a large diaphragm mic. basically it captures lower frequencies better.
texandude87 1 year ago
@buddyace37931 ok, this is essintialy a subwoofer/driver speaker mounted in a drum sell. there is postitive and negative terminals on the sub as with all ofther speakers. A mic cable is pluged up to the terminals some way (I really never looked to see how) and then plugged into a pa/mixer/interface/. So when you hit the kick, the speaker vibrations only pick up the real LOW end of the bass drum (around 20-30 hertz, which is something that you fell more, hear less)so I hope that helped you out.
Colliernator1000 1 year ago
I don't get it?
numanuma20 1 year ago
the DW 12''x14 sounded best I think, great sound :P
wilsonhaha 2 years ago
Im pretty sure you meant Sennheiser e902 not 602.
stockdalemusic 2 years ago
Looks like an e602 to me. Check 1:53.
mitool 1 year ago
great video!!!
jedraszko666 2 years ago
That is truly amazing concept! I have never seen one before and now I want one! thank you for the great video!
undergroundjohnny 2 years ago
basically its just a sub woofer wired backwards inside a drum shell. really easy to make.
jsutton414 2 years ago
I want one of these soo bad! Is it worth it or should I just make my own?
thatiamdisco 2 years ago
I just made my own out of old stereo speakers and it sounds almost exactly the same as the real thing but waaaay cheaper!!!so In my opinion your better off making your own
Hysteriaqwerty 2 years ago
Thanks for the video
viktorgrafika 2 years ago
The precious...
brettorrmusic 2 years ago
great vid 5/5
Antoffka 2 years ago
Can't wait to put mine on my 26" Ludwig kicks: one maple and one Vistalite!
yettibrad 2 years ago
He likes dw, XD very proffesional
ToxicOrangeJuice 2 years ago
are there certain genres for which it isn't good?
ThEaNtMuRdErEr 2 years ago
:) alors will, content du sub????
DwDrumsGuizzz 2 years ago