for those who tear down the Bujinkan, what exactly is it you think the bujinkan is lacking? it contains versions of kicks, punches, holds, and techniques that are used throughout other martial arts systems, although, as i said, as variations. there are some techniques unique to the bujinkan. Also, the bujinkan does have a philosophy that suggests responsibility and mutual respect for others. taking these things into consideration, i'd suggest that this video is a smear campaign, not truth.
I agree that Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu isn't a combat martial art for modern day, but honestly, neither is MCMAP. Their trainers say that a gun is for killing, not your hands, so they don't teach deadly moves because fights are more often to break out among somebody in your squad and not the enemy. Which is the reason why it's main basis is Brazilian JiuJitsu, which is shit for the streets. You train them in Jeet Kune Do or Krav Maga, and then we'll talk.
Also if you would like a style that really trains in deadly moves look into Krav Maga. From my experience that has been the utmost brutal style I have ever encountered.
I learn bujinkan budo taijutsu. I train every week. we don't spar much because we take each other down in a single deadly move/counter. They teach us to quickly take down or enemy in a single, deadly move. and it works. I've sparred with my friend who is a boxer
@0351ninja Are you dumb. of course I didn't kill him. our moves are effective, and we know how much pressure to put in it. I've trained in it. and I see you have not, If you don't know how the move works, I suggest you keep your mouth shut. Our training involves us really trying to hit each other for real. If you get hit by your partner, it is your fault for not executing the move properly. THAT IS HOW WE KNOW IT IS EFFECTIVE.
Martial arts are extensive systems of codified practices and traditions of combat that are practiced for a variety of reasons, including self-defense, competition and physical health.
That's the definition of a martial art. It doesn't have to protect you nor does it have to be competetive. It could be a normal sport as long as it has something to do with combat.
Boxing is a great example.
It's a martial art. Wheter or not sword fighting is needed today doesn't matter.
Oh and by the way Masaaki Hatsumi is full of shit. There has never been any real proof that he was legitimately was trained as a ninja. Gee why would he not produce the scrolls that could prove his style, probably because there are none. For you fairies talkin shit that its too dangerous to be used in a ring, Ask yourself one question have you ever been in a life or death fight, answer NO didn't fucking think so. This is not a dis by any means on legit Martial Arts, just the frauds.
Semper Fi, love the pit footage. bujinkan is BS, you want real ninjas come talk to the Marine Corps infantry. For any wanna be ninjas reading this shit, bring your ass to IN and Ill show you just what I mean. That pretty ninja shit would never work in a real fight, and really is just a good way to get yourself hurt or killed. Great video by the way
@0351ninja First of all ninjutsu is about avoiding having to fight at all. Second, wristlocks and punches work very well in fights. Ninjutsu is basicly a mix of martial arts such as aikido and karate. In a 1vs1 fight a Marine Corps infantry could very well beat a ninja. But they would most likely get away alive or unharmed if attacked in an alley since you'd disorientate your attacker and be gone before he knew where you went. Rather then staying and fighting him.
@RaccooNooB Wrist-locks in practice seem effective, however a part of traditional Karate is body hardening. Multiply this idea by 9 to 10 years, the average time to get a traditional black belt, and these locks become a lot less effective i.e loose wrists, calcium deposits on bones, and a general feel no pain mentality. My main issue with the style is that it depends on an opponent that is vulnerable to those techniques. Just trying to relay a bit of real life experience. Cheers
@0351ninja Indeed. Punching a boxer is probably not the brightest thing you can do, but for all I know, you learn a martial art to be able to protect your self from theives or rapists. Those are in most cases not a Karate black belter. But to every rule there's an exception.
Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu is too dangerous to be used in sports competition due to high risk of injury, permanent nerve damage, and death. Bujinkan is the grandfather of Eastern Martial Arts. This means that the Eastern martial arts are derived from Bujinkan. You should do some research before you start trying to disgrace an art that is a thousand years old. Not to mention that Grand Master, Masaaki Hatsumi, would annihilate any professional fighter alive, and he's 80 years old!
Ninjutsu is not allowed in MMA Sports/Competitions. There's a reason for that. There's nothing sport about it. Run up on a high level ninjutsu/ninpo taijutsu artist with them wild ass punches and kicks like you see in the MM"A" fights and see what happen. Let me know what you find out.
At full speed, this art is ridiculous. And shodan or above in this art will tell you, ultimately the individual kata are irrelevant. One movement is mixed with another, creating a deadly symphony of movement. Sure, one kata may be unrealistic, but when mixed its terrible. One last thing, we do 'spar' but not for competition. It's called free-response. But whoever made or supports this video, go educate yourself about this sport. Thanks.
lol none u kids know what this art actually is. It breaks bones and kills. not just get them down, beat them, or other easy to recuperate wounds. This is a killers art. Sure, boxing and stuff is powerful, but this is meant to kill, period. We don't compete, because we would kill our opponents more than not. I all you haters to go to your nearest Bujinkan Dojo, train for 3 or so months, and tell me otherwise. And btw, the sword is replaceable with a bat or lead pipe, and the bo a stick or broom
You know, I think that popasmuerf dude just likes to argue and waste time. he argued with me, a taijutsue practioner, among others, and every one els who has the opposit veiws of me. look, guys, a martial artist isnt proven by his style, but his corauge, skill in that style, and his adaptabillity and open mindness to look at others, and learn from them, not copy them.
Is kicks to the nuts allowed in MMA? Is poking eyes allowed in MMA? Is using nails allowed in MMA? Is it allowed to break bones in MMA? No, didn't think so.
The grandmaster that was before the one we have now was the bodyguard of the last living Emperor. He fought many life and death battles, he won over a 100 of them before his death, which was caused by illness. You look into the small things like the videos on YouTube, open your eyes a bit, Ninjutsu is so much bigger then that.
@DGHProductions Much if not all of what is written about Takamatsu is anectdotal at best...even if it werent...Takamatsu's proficiency in, and the understanding of effective combat does not automatically transfer over to Hatsumi, or any one else in the Bujinkan...it is like inferring that Jimmy Pedro or Kimura had no need for pressure testing and competing because of the original 10 of Judo proved Judo to be superior to JJJ. Nothing could be further from the truth.
@popasmuerf Oh well but it shows that Ninjutsu has a lot of potential. I've got nothing against MMA, i respect it, except when they are making fun of others.
@DGHProductions You also make the mistake of thinking that an MMA practitioner is not going to pull the same "dirty tricks" you would. I don't understand why people think that even though MMA'st who regularly apply techniques that where designed to break bones in a dynamic situation, against an equally skilled and resisting opponent will somehow be unable to actually break the arm of some one trying to endanger their lives. BTW, there have been more than a few broken bones in MMA.
all the styles you refer to are sports, and are governed by rules therefore not true or complete combat arts. and besides, bujinkan practitioners are generally too smart to walk into a ring and say, "Go on, try and punch the head off me" unlike you and your mates who seem determined to make your opinions and techniques public. showing off and boasting about how hard you are then punching each others' heads as hard as you can doesn't make any sense to me, but each to their own i guess
Is it outside the scope of possibility that someone could come at you with a baseball bat or a galvanized pipe? Couple guys decided to settle their problems with 3/4" galvanized pipes one night at a bar. The coroner had to decide, if death occured when the pipe broke through and was lodged in the cranial cavity, or if it happened when the brain hit the anterior wall of the skull... swords may be out of fashion with most but people still love to swing stuff.
penchak silat looks very similar to Buijnkan. Technikes are similar and aplication is similar, the only difference is that the technickes are done very quickly. The art (Bujinkan) is not wrong, it is the aplication that could be mistaken. And if these guys put resistance (the people that practice Silat), technikes woulden't work either. Only that. Prove me wrong.
@zaxarion Silat is NOTHING like BBT. Even if it were as similar to BBT as you would like to make it out to be....their are much better Striking arts to invest time in than Silat. Muay Thai, Sanda, Boxing and Kyokushin being the best examples...
The original Ninjtsu/Taijutsu is from Japan. look up that style, not this style. Shinobi and samurai were both deadly, and yet their fighting styles are either becoming perverted, or have idiots comenting on stuff they dont know anything about.
And the guy who made Krav Maga knew Judo, (or was it Jujutsu. can't remember) A Taijutsu style. Krav Maga is basicaly a Mixed Martial Art (3 to be exact.) Taijutsu is basicly like calling Chinese Martial Arts kung Fu (which, the original name is Wushu, which means "Martial Art") No Style is completly useless. It can become useless though, if you forget why it was made in the first place. Not sport, but to protect. Any style can become useless, but none are inherently.
To answer your question, yes, in real fights, UFC crap is useless, theres rules. Sure, not alot, but there are. in a fight, there are no rules. You kick 'em in the throught, scratch of the front of their neck, hit all pressure points you can, then hit them in the heart. Now, at 0:40, your right. As a swordsman, I'm appalled!! And at1:30 aswell. But, True taijutsu is used by our servicemen and women. And even in MMA. (Jujutsu is a taijutsu style. There's like 4 main ones.) Taijutsu- "Body skill
@AmericanSamurai100 You don't know WTF you are talking about. Do you really believe that faced with someone trying to do them real harm, a Judoka/Jiujiterro/wrestler/MMA practitioner is going to stop cranking an arm-bar or not toss someone on their head because of some rule ? Are this that stupid ? Never mind the fact that all warrior cultures engaged in the "sport/competition" aspect of their MA for the sole purpose of testing effectiveness.
@popasmuerf I did. And, honestly, I suck compared to a true master of the art. And, the fact is, Taijutsu, real taijutsu, was tested, not in the ring, but in war. The samurai invented jujutsu to counter anothers armor. Then, eigther snap there neck, or stab them with a tanto (knife). And, what do you think I was saying. Boxing doesnt help in a real fight. Just give a good round house kick to the leg, they'll go down. And, fact is, you havent seen my face, how could you know what I know?
@AmericanSamurai100 Do you know what taijutsu is? It is just another word for jujutsu. Now, why exactly did jujutsu end up sucking so bad towards the end of the meiji period? Why did it end up being almost totally discarded for Judo? Boxing doesnt help in real fight? Please report to your nearest Boxing gym and tell them how much more efficient your Taijutsu is than boxing, and you mean to prove it. I hope you have a good dental plan. You inexperience is obvious.
@popasmuerf Yes, I do. Jujutsu is only part of it. Theirs four others. Now, forgive me, I'm horrable with names, so I only remember 2 of them. Jujutsu, also known as ju-taijutsu: GRAPPLING SKILL, Koppojutsu, BONEBREAKING SKILL, TERRAIN SKILL, AND STRIKING SKILL. And your question about judo, judo is a toned down version. its because the founder of judo still wanted to teach his art, but he had to make it less violent becuase of the government. Jujutsu was also seen as a samurai art.
@AmericanSamurai100 Dude, you don't know when to quit do you? Koppo, and ju-taijutsu are all synonyms for Jujutsu. Jujutsu used to encompass a wide range of hand-to-hand fighting ranging from mostly grappling to mostly striking. FYI, Kano created Judo in an effort to synthesize a Jujutsu that kept all the effective techniques and dispense the rest of the bullshit. There is a reason why after the Judo/JJ challenge matches Japanese society switched over to Judo for real fighting.
@AmericanSamurai100 con'td : even if Kano really "watered down" JJJ by creating Judo, you need to explain to me why Judo practitioners kicked the snot out of all the "deadly" JJJ practioners during the challenge matches(and continue to do so). Keep in mind that these matches where truely NHB...and the Judo guys came out on top....Again..you don't know WTF you are talking about. Like I ask all BBT practitioners, visit a Judo/BJJ gym and see for yourself how useless BBT really is.
@popasmuerf And, that fact is, Taijutsu is older than modern boxing. Now, show me what greko- roman boxxing was like, then you may have a point, becuase it was more like mma. Great concept, but all they do is add moves, not phylosophy of that art. But, a true ninjutsu/ taijutsu practitioner can and will kill. Boxxing will just k.o. you. Now, which is worse? And my inexperience??? You know, I should of stopped giving deadly info. you obviously dont know about a fight. try being in my fit of rage!
@AmericanSamurai100 Are you off your meds ? WTF does the age of Taijutsu vs. Boxing having to do with Boxing having a very real record of what its practitioners claim it is capable of and BBT not ? All they do is add moves ? No...as a matter of fact the thing that effective MA have in common is that they have a very small/finite set of teqniques that are used most frequently with VERY little variation. The same cannot be said of BBT.
@AmericanSamurai100 cont'd: Please directly address my questions pertaining to the Judo vs. JJJ challenge matches and the fact that the H2H coponent of the "9 schools" of BBT are nothing more than JJJ. Please explain why the few BBT pract. who test BBT agains sport MA routinely get their asses kicked. I will take any further attempts at side-stepping my questions are offering answers to questions I never asked as your utter-failure to provide any real argument for the effectiveness of BBT.
@popasmuerf Thing is, I know warfare, ancient, granted, but I know it. If I fight, its to kill my opponent. There's more than just knowing the right moves. Having the right spirit and heart is even more important. To me, if it was proven on the battlefeild, then all martial arts are usefull. The problem isnt the style, its them, or you, or whoever lost. If you have no martial arts training, but still do your best and fight hard, you may comeout alive. So, dont ever judge an art.
@AmericanSamurai100 You know ancient warfare? Lulz whut? How in the hell could you know ancient warfare unless you experienced it yourself? Who gives a rat's ass if it was supposedly "proven on the battlefield" in ancient times"....does it work now? Can you provide obvious proof that it does? Funny how all these "sport" MA like MMA/Boxing/Judo/BJJ/Sambo/Sanda,etc have ubiased, readily available evidence of their effectiveness in dynamic situations..taijutsu not so much.
@popasmuerf YES IT WORKS NOW!! ASK SOMEONE WHOS IN THE MARINES! They practic similar stuff. you see it in the vid. And jodo is a form of taijutsu! And the rest are only for sport. you see, in a true fight with someone who truly knows taijutsu, the fights over BEFORE IT BEGAN. not taking too much time like in MMA, which I like the concept of, by the way. But all they do is take from an already useful art to begin with.
@AmericanSamurai100 NO...the marines/army practice the army combatives program...and it is composed of Judo/BJJ, boxing, MuayThai and military firearms training...NOTHING and I do mean NOTHING in that syllabus has jack shit to do with BBT, so either you are lying or you are repeating something your idiot friends or instructor told you. I would advise you to stop running your mouth about what training is conducted in the armed forces...service men tend to get touchy about that stuff.
@popasmuerf Pull out your bloody tampon already kid. You don't make any sense with anything you are arguing about. Judo, Brazilian Jujitsu, and Muay Thai all derive from Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu. As for it being effective to have only a few sets of techniques, I would most definitely disagree. Personally I would prefer to be able to strike, maim, cripple, or kill my opponent from any position or direction, but that's me. Perhaps your memory isn't sharp enough to handle more than a few techniques?
@Smith4c2 Blah..blah..blah.."BBT is too dangerous!!...it was made for killing! ...." I will keep this brief. Judo/BJJ are direct decendents of Kito,Tenjin Shinyo ryu and Western wrestling. They have jack shit to do with BBT. BBT cannot claim that it is "combat ready" as it's practitioners do not engage in combat at ANY level. Complacent drills are not randori. Even the Japanese think you idiots are a bunch of douche-bags who are too soft to learn "real MA". Lulz...fucking Ninjers..
@popasmuerf That is why they were able to use this martial art to defend against the samurai. This art has taken more lives than any other in history.
Also, are you Japanese? Do you speak Japanese? Do you live in Japan? No? Didn't think so. How are you going to say that the Japanese think that their own heritage and culture is idiotic and the people who practice it are douche-bags? In fact this art is a big promoter of Taoism and Zen. It teaches you to make body and mind one.
@Smith4c2 What did or did not occur between the "Ninja" and Samurai has nothing to do with the current skill-set of the average BBT practitioner. Whether or not I am Japanese or whether or not I can speak Japanese has nothing to do with the general disdain/contempt that the Japanese MA community holds for BBT; but don't take my word for it..do the research yourself. They think you are a bunch of goof-balls. Has it ever struck you as odd that the majority of BBT members in Japan are white?
@popasmuerf Oh, one more thing before you let your little Judo panties get all wadded up your ass again. Kito ryu comes from Japanese Jujitsu. Tenjin Shinyo ryu comes from, guess; yep, Japanese Jujitsu. Now Western Wrestling just comes from guys who got tired of rolling around with women and decided to replace them with big, hairy, sweaty men. Oh, my bad, I didn't mean to remind you of your past. You should conduct some research before hand next time.
@popasmuerf And theres a reason kung fu, Muay Boron, an ancestor of muay thai, and taijutsu are not in it. Its too damn dangerous!! Trust me, I've sparred with freinds who use those styles, and if I never have to fight them, then that a good thing!! Don't be a fool and disregaurd a style, just becuase its not usefull to you!! learn from as much styles as you can and ADAPT!!!! please, at least the phylosophy!!
@AmericanSamurai100 ..NO the reasy why Kungfu(as its commonly understood) Muay Boran, and taijutus are not included is because they DON'T FUCKING WORK. Forget the eye gouges and groin kicks, those MA have trouble producing individuals who can pull off any of their techniques under pressure. That is the reason..and the reason alone. Please STFU until you have actually pressure tested your techniques.
@popasmuerf And don't ever underestimate anyone. You claim I have no knowledge, yet you just said what I said earlyer. Martial Arts are for getting out alive, either by kicking them in the nuts, tearing out their throught, or cracking their neck. just bitting will do. To me, it comes to this, Don't waste energy, use your instincts, use your head, and fight with all you got untill you or your family safe.
@AmericanSamurai100 "Tearing out throats"...Okay...now I am 100% positive you don't know what you are talking about. Like I posted earlier...please visit your local Judo/BJJ/Boxing/wrestling/MMA/etc gym and tell them you are their to prove the superiority of BBT with respect to fighting...please video record and post to YouTube. You will never do this of course because you know deep down inside it will not end well for you.
@popasmuerf all the styles you refer to are sports, and are governed by rules therefore not true or complete combat arts. and besides, bujinkan practitioners are generally too smart to walk into a ring and say, "Go on, try and punch the head off me" unlike you and your mates who seem determined to make your opinions and techniques public. showing off and boasting about how hard you are then punching each others' heads as hard as you can doesn't make any sense to me, but each to their own i guess
@tarmaco Wrong. All those MA I mentioned are MA that continue the tradition of warrior cultures throughout history of maintaining component that serves as a filter for all the garbage that seems to proliferate these days in MA such as BBT. None of the MA I mentioned were created to be "sports" Judo for example was created for the purposed standardizing Japanese Jujutsu in order to make it better.
@tarmaco ..(cont'd) and guess what? That "sport" MA ended up kicking the asses of all those Jujutsu masters. As for showing off and boasting...that would be totally different than the voluminous amount of videos displaying BBT techniques would it ? You are not boasting but somehow you(Buj) always tend to mention how BBT is superior for combat because you don't pressure test even the most "non-deadly" of your techniques? Funny how Takamatsu was never shy about letting people know what's what.
@tarmaco And finally,...the go to, canned retort of all Buj practioners..."Your rules limit you..." has been demonstrably proven false time and time again. There are volumes of evidence of "Sport MA" practitioners successively and efficiently defending themselves in real world situations...and on the (modern) battlefield(research the main MA that comprise military combatives..all sport MA). Do you really believe I will not break your arm because of some rule if my life depended on it ? Idiot.
@popasmuerf shut up mma fan boy, mad cus bitch ass brock got beat by a real fighter the reem, pussy ass nigga, rza would spit in your face you faggot ass nigga
@popasmuerf OK, turn the whole argument round to yourself mate. Spend a few yen signing up for Hombu Dojo membership, then walk in there and tell the teacher the technique he just showed doesn't work. then attack him with whatever you like and we'll call the ambulance for you. I've trained in BBT for 13 years and I'm nobody compared to those guys who have 40-50 years experience (72 years in Hatsumi's). Who exactly is it you think you are? Go on, tell us your credentials big man
@popasmuerf now you show your ignorance of BBT. The whole point is that you can carry on with this kind of training into your old age, unlike the various kinds of prize boxing. Hatsumi is capable of things your feeble imagination couldn't grasp and that's come from a lifetime !!72 years!! in martial arts. He has held teaching licenses in all the main Japanese arts, and gave up teaching judo 50 years ago because it gives advantage to stronger people. Go on, get to Japan and find out for yourself
@tarmaco Your really are delusional. You can practice any MA in old age...but that really is not the point at all. You claim that a 72 year old man regularly kicks your ass in a MA that is more or less another type of Jujitusu. Hatsumi knows things that I couldn't grasp like what exactly? Why is it whenever any one questions the validity of BBT/Hatsumi claims you can NEVER get a straight answer? All you get is anecdotal nonsense....even the Japanese think BBT is a joke.
@tarmaco Oh yeah...did I forget to mention I used to train in BBT? Did I mention I actually had the balls to test these "uber deadly, combat" techniques by visiting a Judo club? NONE of that crap worked. I repeat NONE. Not even " Gansake nage", Why ? Application wins over theory every single time. Those people knew what they where doing because they routinely put their skills to the test..not wasting time "feeling" the movement with 100% compliancy.
@tarmaco Yeah..never went to Japan...then again I happen to be one of the better known Judoka in Maryland/Virginia but never been to the Kodokan...nor has any of the national and international Judoka I train with...are you implying that these guys suck because they never been to Japan? Please tell me you are because if so you basically made my point for me. How much does your MA suck-ass if you have to travel to Japan in order develop any real proficiency?
@popasmuerf you claim to know enough about the Bujinkan to be qualified to slag it into the ground but the fact is it's impossible to truly understand what the school is all about if you've never trained in the hombu dojo and / or the dojos of the other senior Japanese instructors. Don't get me wrong, plenty of dickheads go there too, but you haven't even bothered to find out properly for yourself about something you so passionately hate. Just take the clip down and get a life
@tarmaco You need to get back on your Meds. I need to go to hombu to truely understand BBT? Either it works reliably on a frequent basis or it doesnt. If something only provides value after I study it for years or only if I study it at a certain location then it is pretty much useless. Judo works from the 1st day of training...no matter where you learn it..same goes for all sport MA. Do you even realize you just argued my point for me ?
@slapupchrist Dude..that's just it...you want to play Ninja..fine..God bless..I have absolutely no problem with that...what kills me is that they ALWAYS protray them selves as the reincarnation of Hachiman when every last one of them cant even manage to pull of an Osoto-gari against a FULLY compliant uke without throwing themselves first. It is almost enough to make me want to storm the nearest Buj dojo and pull a "Gracie's in Action" on their doughy, smug asses.
popasmuerf, like you, I've been doing GENUINE training aginst resistance for years. Judo is a classic example to me of how it really feels to resist and defeat resistance.
The Bujinkan is just another wanky LARP-fest, in a similar vein to aikido and Daitoryu aikijutsu.
All Hatsumi did was rip-off some of the already extant jujutsu techniques, add a few more ridiculous and fanciful ones, and rake-in the cash as thousands of gullible, wimpy nerds paid for his 'secrets'.
@tarmaco cont'd...and the reason why sport MA work on day one of training is because they are standardized systems that continually pressure test the techniques and theories that comprise those respective systems. Like I asked before...provide proof of BBT's superiority to sport MA by reporting to your nearest sport MA gym and recording and then posting the resulting video, if not then please STFU.
@popasmuerf and like I asked before, seeing as you're the one who so desperately wants to prove something and demonstrate your infinite knowledge and understanding of martial arts, go into any shihan's dojo in Japan and challenge the instructor. At least then you'll die happy. Good luck fool
@tarmaco So...let's see..you are the one who who initiated the "debate" between you and I, when i ask you for specifics pertaining to your bullshit claims, all you can seem to offer is straw-man, invective, and ad hominen,...can we now safely conclude that you are full of shit? Thanks but it would appear with the combination of BBT and you reasoning skills...you are the one who needs "luck". Ass-wipe.
tarmaco, please don't bother wasting intelligent peoples' time with the whole 'you have to go to Honbu to see the secret techniques' argument; that's like me saying "You have to go to Mars to understand how Martians visit Earth"
Listen, you deluded fool: There is as much proof for Bujinkan techniques working against resisting opponents as there is for Martians zapping Earthlings.
If anyone goes to Bujinkan Honbu they'll see the same bollocks as they see on You Tube: LARPing.
@tarmaco Oh, and one last thing...BBT is nothing more than another type of Jujitsu...did you know that Judo/BJJ is also another type of Jujutsu? A throw is a throw, a choke is a choke...I don't need to be in fucking Japan in order to understand how to toss you on your fucking head or snap every bone in your body...I have been applying these techniques against skilled, fully resisting opponents for over 5 years. Their is a reason why BBT is a fucking laughing stock in Japan...
@tarmaco I was thinking about starting BJJ on a more frequent basis in a few months...so does the fact that I will likely never visit Brazil anytime soon mean I would be wasting my time? Lolz...ninjas...
@tarmaco I was thinking about starting BJJ on a more frequent basis in a few months...so does the fact that I will likely never visit Brazil anytime soon mean I would be wasting my time? Lolz...ninjas...
@tarmaco My credentials ? 7 years Judo, rank Shodan...routinely finishes first in the Maryland and Virginia Open...10 years boxing...brown belt Kyokushin Karate...oh and LOL at me being sent to the hospital but some old man in a MA that doesnt even pressure test their techniques...but I guess I would get hurt..if I stood their and let them put me in that bullshit omote-whatever...and do nothing..or preemptively fall down or wince in pain as bujinkan training seems to prescribe...
@tarmaco Now that I think about it...the fact that I would have to travel to Japan to see the "real" BBT further undermines your argument. Go any where int he world..even to a local YMCA and you will find Judoka who I am fairly certain would maul ANY BBT practitioner..no matter what their rank. If your MA is not teaching you skills that are applicable on DAY ONE of training then your MA is pretty much garbage.
@popasmuerf all the styles you refer to are sports, and are governed by rules therefore not true or complete combat arts. and besides, bujinkan practitioners are generally too smart to walk into a ring and say, "Go on, try and punch the head off me" unlike you and your mates who seem determined to make your opinions and techniques public. showing off and boasting about how hard you are then punching each others' heads as hard as you can doesn't make any sense to me, but each to their own i guess
@popasmuerf learn Tiger claw. First off. Second off, its easyer than a k.o. 3rd, your a fool... you think that I'd lose because of style. ha!! No, if I lose, its becuase of expreince, nothing els. That just mean that If I survive and lose, I better my self. Become stronger. And, I don't care who you are, I'll never give up a fight, because, to do so would cost my life!!!! Oh, and a good martail artist doesn't have to prove himself. And Nothing is a 100 % garantee. You could lose or win.
really? your argument is comparing starters to pros? if you think that a martial art is just to kick ass, then PLEASE don't do shit. You must be one of those dudes that just want to punch people in the face for no reason, just to show how good a fiighter you are. Bujinkan teaches you more than just punching faces and breaking arms, it teaches you how to use martial arts to your daily life and how to improve yourself in spirit.
Ummm.... I'll make it simple. Do a compilation of 5th dan black belt level martial artists in different arts.... have em spar... see what happens. End of story. Idiot wants to show low level clowns one minute, then UFC combatants the next. It doesn't matter if someone claims to be a Bujinkan practitioner.. that's not enough... what level of study did he / she get up to? "I've been in the Bujinkan for 3 months.. I'm going to fight UFC now... tada!!" Totally clownish.
If you have the doubt about Budo Taijutsu effectiveness, go and try some lessons with a Shihan. Don't say shit about something if you don't know a thing about it.
You upload some random videos as the Ultimate Evidence that BBT is uneffective. Then I can post videos of begginner's lessons of every martial art in the world to prove the same. In other martial arts they never train slowly? They spare every single day? And if there's no tournaments in Bujinkan is because finishing techniques would often lead to serious injuries. Btw, there's plenty of military and special forces (I know many) learning BBT, so I guess they don't agree with your opinion about it
@Blazureokami well, yeah marine martial arts is just a bunch of moves put together by Marines that study martial arts. I mean they do take out moves that really dont work in real life ( like a sword), and put the basics, and more complex stuff at higher level belts. Brilliance at the Basics gentlement.
i have done some of this art, and had an instructor and a black belt in his dojo literally tossed me around, i have taken aikido, taekwondo, some ju jitsu and muay thai and let me tell you this shit is effective if you know what the hell you are doing. So instead of bashing a martial art because it isnt the rule based mma that everyone thinks is the shit actually try it yourself.
I have had many injuries and painful times in the bujinkan and it didnt even include sparring! Yes sparring is done but with utmost caution and a good Uke and Tori relationship.
Its a shame that Marines actually want to do candy ass MMA. Upon seeing the above video our soldiers actually want to "fuck around " in a combat situation instead doing the necessary "killing" in a war zone!? Damn we are in good hands. My father is an ex-green beret special forces veteran and he agrees that Budo Taijutsu is down right ruthless. Yea i showed him some good stuff one day. Instead of wasting your fucking time trying to bash the bujinkan shut the fuck up and train.
They do not compete within the dojo, or join in tournaments. That doesn't mean they don't spar in the dojo, but it's not competitive. It's a pure martial combat art form, and a lot of the techniques are not relevant to modern self-defense on the street. Like Kung Fu, they're keeping what they believe to be a pure form of the martial art alive, and that should be respected. Don't expect it to be what you want it to be, accept it for what it is. If you want to fight, then Thai Boxing etc.
i think one of the best things about ninjutsu is the fact that it allows one to be who they really wish to be without having to put on some false ego and train for hours at the gym to make them feel like there accepted
Thanks for using the sloppiest martial arts out to back your claim. your an idiot. Why did national geographic name it the # 2 most dangerous martial art. your a loser
Easy to use vids from trainings when everything is showed in really slowmotion etc. Isn't it? Ask any bujinkan budo taijutsu teacher to show you Ura Gyaku or something else on full speed :3 enjoy the pain
@DragoonDragonFan that is so true or a kick from a shihan... it is so debastating. just one kick. never less one full techninque cracking your elbow and your nee at the same time, while cutting your breathing.
I don't know that many people who are into it. I know one very well though, he wasn't always able to control "reflexes". Admittedly he was young and on a hiatus (not actively training with a teacher) which may explain the lack of selfcontrol. Most of his "real fights" lasted 1 punch.
A lot of what he knew was not really suitable for sports because it could kill you or left you severely injured. I think he's better off now, back in the dojo doing it in slow motion again.
I WILL SAY IT AGAIN TO YOU MISTER SLAPUP.... if you are so worried bout the training, just tell me where you would like to find good training and i will direct you to it, AND I CAN ASSURE YOU,, the people i send you too, the bujinkan people....will not only fully and completely devastate you during triaing, but im sure i can arrange some people to show you the error in your ways as far as your sad little cry for help in a name.."slapupchrist"..give me a break,,are you really that mad.
Please tell me the extra super duper deadly Bujinkan ninjers that can 'devastate' me in training! LOL!!!
Also, please pass-on my details (since you profess to know who I am) to the people who can show me the 'error' of my ways.
Come on, now: you've made statements about me and the Bujinkan people who can devastate me... WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE? NAME THEM. WHO AM I? BACK-UP YOUR TYPICALLY UNFOUNDED CLAIMS, YOU NINJER SCHMUCK.
@slapupchrist yes idiot, after speaking to hoban and e few others that came across you over the years i was able to determine who you are. As for your desire to put me the people your crying about, im not bujinkan, im in the military. My point was never that your wrong, i agree, most the people you trained with..suck. My point is that if you want me to i can point you to people with good training, no matter where you are. Or like i said...come to america, and i will be happy to throw you around.
@slapupchrist i have a question for you, what do you do that makes you such a know it all, you didnt train for ten years like you say, you just went to a few random seminars. you never had a real teacher so you have a bitter taste about a small group and you associate it with a large group, much like im sure you do with your outlook on religion. real men will go from school to school looking for good training, but not bitching and crying when they never find it. ...sorry you never found it.
Endure2theEnnd, try reading my profile again; I trained in the Buj for long enough to be graded by Hatsumi. I passed the Godan test, mate. I saw it all, and it was absolute bollocks.
I trained in Britain, America and Australia, and I trained in Japan a few times. It was all absolute bollocks; just LARPing.
How about you back-up your unfounded claims?
1. Bujinkan training against resistance: video evidence, please.
2. YOU SAY YOU KNOW WHO I AM BECAUSE YOU'VE SPOKEN TO JACK HOBAN: WHO AM i?
@slapupchrist no you didnt ...hatsumi took your money...they all took your money cause thats all you were worth i guess...some money. you wernt good to train with and didnt ever develop any real technique. you didnt pass the godan test because you didnt pass the first time...and thats that.
I used the principles of distancing, timing and angling taught in the Bujinkan in a street fight with three armed opponents (knife, stick, nunchuks) and I got out unscathed. I was unarmed. Worked for me...
When and where did this happen, 18th century Japan? Are you seriously claiming to have been attacked by a gang of guys that included a guy walking around with nunchucks?
It happened in 1994. These guys were not walking around. They were in a vehicle. Look at any martial arts catalog, Black Belt magazine etc, and you will see nunchuks for sale. Some of them end up in cars, in closests, under tables and lots of other places. I am not sure why you think this is such a big deal.
@tuskydoo actually a lot of thug activity has nunchaku in the described assault weapons. It's the reason why they are illegal to even possess in the state of California and more. I've even seen a fight between 2 people of the same gang, one using a baseball bat and one using nunchaku. They are very easy to buy cheap and they hurt a lot, so naturally, they're used.
@markjrich1 lmao you little lying bastard... by distancing and timing, do you mean running away? Oh I also forgot people go around getting in street fights carrying nunchuks. LMAO you are pathetic. bujinkan is a mcdojo chain, fancy but useless.
... you would know that it is highly dangerous. I myself have had more injuries than I could have ever imagined, and that is being cautious and even training with Redman gear! I have trained with some of the best in the USA, and from my point of view as a former Marine, a pracitioner of BBT, and a martial artist in general, I have to say that your perspective is highly suspect, ignorant, and an insult to the people in the know.
I am not big on making comments, but given the topic here I had to take a moment to do so. I cannot imagine why you have apparently made it your goal in life to try to discredit Taijutsu, but it is clear that you have. You need to clarify your facts if your going to "report" on the art. One of the foundations of MCMAP IS Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu - go research it and clarify this for yourself. If you have actually ever "trained" in the art yourself.........
You idiot, Ninjutsu DO sparring... ever heard of randori? I guess not, because your whole point is to show how much ninjutsu suck. Just because they don't have competitions and trophies doesn't make it a non combat martial art.... Well, , newsflash for you - Krav maga, the Israeli martial art - doesn't have competitions either. And you know why? For the exact same reason!!! Krav maga is intended to cause as much damage as possible, and to get you out ALIVE. It kind of contradicts what you said.
I think people who are dedicated to making videos about Bujinkan destructive feel pain about something or maybe they just could not practice or found it hard to train
First of all, i think hatsumi sensei is almost 80 now... can your grandpa still get up everyday and throw much bigger and younger people around all day....mine cant, bet yours cant either. As for the training in japan, most of the japanese shihan are also getting up there in years and there has been less and less intense training as the years have passed..which it should for people getting older.As far as USA, i know plenty good places to train..intense hardcore serious training, just ask.
"can your grandpa still get up everyday and throw much bigger and younger people around all day....mine cant"
Neither can Hatsumi, you deluded fool. The bigger and younger people you see flying around the dojo, during a Hatsumi demonstrating, are ACTING; THEY ARE TAKING A DIVE FOR THEIR OLD CULT LEADER.
@slapupchrist actually..since you wanna call me a fool,, i know who you are and i know many of the people you trained under. your a sissy...and you train like a sissy. Ive personaly been thrown by hatsumi sensei (which i know for a fact you havnt) ...ive been struck my hatsumi sensei ( which you havnt)... and ive trained with many people from many arts around the world, and let me say, Soke is devastating if he wants to be. Just because the people you trained with saw through you, dont be mad.
@slapupchrist to addto that, when i say they saw through you, i imagine they still took your money...in fact im sure they would still be happy to sell you some high rank, let you come take your godan test a million times till you sort of get it...which they will and do. and just like all the others you will go in the big book of godans and shihan that "sort of" passed....but the real book, the real record is still not much bigger than its been for many years, not many are worthy anymore.
So, who used to be worthy? Who are the deadly ninjer masters who passed the godan test, and are now classified as being 'worthy'???
You know what? You sound like the absolute CLASSIC example of a Bujinkan dreamer, who has all these ideas and THEORIES about what makes a ninjer, but has got ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF WHATSOEVER to back-up his claims.
@slapupchrist you wont take me up on my offer...if you want proof about your sad theory on training with resistance...than i say this....I will give you a place to stay and food to eat, you come train with me, resist all you want,, bring any weapon you want, even a gun, and when im done wiping the floor with you day in day out, you can go home ,get online, and tell everyone how you finally found a "ninja" who trains with resistance, or what little you will be able to put up.
@slapupchrist oh and too name a few,.. Nagato sensei would easily smash you and laugh at you after!! Shihan Novan, Shihan Legare, Shihan Hardy, Shihan Evans,Shihan Nativ, Shihan Fleitas......i could do this all day. all these people would be happy to show you some "resistance" training you so long for.
look I appreciate that you are trying to be objective, but you are making a big mistake in underestimating Budo Taijutsu. I have trained in arts from around the world, and for me this is the best art (but maybe not for everyone). Due not underestimate what we can do, or our training methods. The weapons are dated, but have a purpose. Also, the reason we don't compete is because we don't wish to hurt others. We take training seriously and train to maim and kill, not win trophies.
Ok. Put at it this way, we fight in the ring with you wearing your MMA gloves or boxing gloves and me with my shurikens or a gun. We start on the opposite corners on the ring. Either I throw my shurikens, and you get injured and I could run away or I could shoot you and you die. Make sense?
Point is, you know ring fighting. If someone is to kill you then he'll do what it takes to take you down. No rules. So its goes to the rule of having a leverage in a fight. Not everytime you got a gun, not everytime you got a weapon but, if its a fight and you got to survive, sport fighting wont apply. And if you are used the way of fighting in the ring, then that becomes a habit, taking away the combat aspects of the martial arts as the sport rules has become 2nd nature to you.
just like what you said, any retard can shoot a gun to a deadly effect. but not all retard go and be stupid enough to fight in sports and get hurt. not every time you have a gun or a knife or a club but you need all advantage you need thats why you train. its all about advantage and who comes first.
@sungjijun i'm a sport fighter. i've been in real fights. i wasn't limited by my "sport training." I didn't follow the rules that I learned for my sport and I still won. you are a cultist who follows with complete blind faith. it must suck to have no identity.
@bizitch71717 That flying armbar is great when you have a nice soft mat to fall on. All I have to say is I do BJJ, MMA and I've trained in Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu. There are things you learn in BT that are very useful and if you've never trained it, it's pretty ignorant to make claims about something you don't have first hand knowledge of. Many martial arts don't compete, does that mean they don't work?
BTW - thanks for your skepticism Bujinkult, it has actually inspired us to do a line of videos on HOW this can be effective for "combat". While they're not sparring vids, hopefully they can shed some light on how things change with training vs real world fighting (and they definitely do change). Check out the video response.
for those who tear down the Bujinkan, what exactly is it you think the bujinkan is lacking? it contains versions of kicks, punches, holds, and techniques that are used throughout other martial arts systems, although, as i said, as variations. there are some techniques unique to the bujinkan. Also, the bujinkan does have a philosophy that suggests responsibility and mutual respect for others. taking these things into consideration, i'd suggest that this video is a smear campaign, not truth.
FaithandReason101 1 week ago
@FaithandReason101 I think it lacks sparring
MacFlanahan 4 days ago
I agree that Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu isn't a combat martial art for modern day, but honestly, neither is MCMAP. Their trainers say that a gun is for killing, not your hands, so they don't teach deadly moves because fights are more often to break out among somebody in your squad and not the enemy. Which is the reason why it's main basis is Brazilian JiuJitsu, which is shit for the streets. You train them in Jeet Kune Do or Krav Maga, and then we'll talk.
WingChunScreamo 2 weeks ago
Also if you would like a style that really trains in deadly moves look into Krav Maga. From my experience that has been the utmost brutal style I have ever encountered.
0351ninja 2 weeks ago
P.S. My training only costs $8 per lesson, which is really supremely cheap
zhafranTP 2 weeks ago
I learn bujinkan budo taijutsu. I train every week. we don't spar much because we take each other down in a single deadly move/counter. They teach us to quickly take down or enemy in a single, deadly move. and it works. I've sparred with my friend who is a boxer
zhafranTP 2 weeks ago
@zhafranTP How do you really know those moves are effective let alone deadly? Are you saying you killed your boxer friend?
0351ninja 2 weeks ago
@0351ninja Are you dumb. of course I didn't kill him. our moves are effective, and we know how much pressure to put in it. I've trained in it. and I see you have not, If you don't know how the move works, I suggest you keep your mouth shut. Our training involves us really trying to hit each other for real. If you get hit by your partner, it is your fault for not executing the move properly. THAT IS HOW WE KNOW IT IS EFFECTIVE.
zhafranTP 2 weeks ago
Martial arts are extensive systems of codified practices and traditions of combat that are practiced for a variety of reasons, including self-defense, competition and physical health.
That's the definition of a martial art. It doesn't have to protect you nor does it have to be competetive. It could be a normal sport as long as it has something to do with combat.
Boxing is a great example.
It's a martial art. Wheter or not sword fighting is needed today doesn't matter.
RaccooNooB 2 weeks ago
Oh and by the way Masaaki Hatsumi is full of shit. There has never been any real proof that he was legitimately was trained as a ninja. Gee why would he not produce the scrolls that could prove his style, probably because there are none. For you fairies talkin shit that its too dangerous to be used in a ring, Ask yourself one question have you ever been in a life or death fight, answer NO didn't fucking think so. This is not a dis by any means on legit Martial Arts, just the frauds.
0351ninja 2 weeks ago
Semper Fi, love the pit footage. bujinkan is BS, you want real ninjas come talk to the Marine Corps infantry. For any wanna be ninjas reading this shit, bring your ass to IN and Ill show you just what I mean. That pretty ninja shit would never work in a real fight, and really is just a good way to get yourself hurt or killed. Great video by the way
0351ninja 2 weeks ago
@0351ninja First of all ninjutsu is about avoiding having to fight at all. Second, wristlocks and punches work very well in fights. Ninjutsu is basicly a mix of martial arts such as aikido and karate. In a 1vs1 fight a Marine Corps infantry could very well beat a ninja. But they would most likely get away alive or unharmed if attacked in an alley since you'd disorientate your attacker and be gone before he knew where you went. Rather then staying and fighting him.
RaccooNooB 2 weeks ago
@RaccooNooB Wrist-locks in practice seem effective, however a part of traditional Karate is body hardening. Multiply this idea by 9 to 10 years, the average time to get a traditional black belt, and these locks become a lot less effective i.e loose wrists, calcium deposits on bones, and a general feel no pain mentality. My main issue with the style is that it depends on an opponent that is vulnerable to those techniques. Just trying to relay a bit of real life experience. Cheers
0351ninja 2 weeks ago
@0351ninja Indeed. Punching a boxer is probably not the brightest thing you can do, but for all I know, you learn a martial art to be able to protect your self from theives or rapists. Those are in most cases not a Karate black belter. But to every rule there's an exception.
RaccooNooB 2 weeks ago
Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu is too dangerous to be used in sports competition due to high risk of injury, permanent nerve damage, and death. Bujinkan is the grandfather of Eastern Martial Arts. This means that the Eastern martial arts are derived from Bujinkan. You should do some research before you start trying to disgrace an art that is a thousand years old. Not to mention that Grand Master, Masaaki Hatsumi, would annihilate any professional fighter alive, and he's 80 years old!
Smith4c2 3 weeks ago
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Smith4c2 3 weeks ago
Ninjutsu is not allowed in MMA Sports/Competitions. There's a reason for that. There's nothing sport about it. Run up on a high level ninjutsu/ninpo taijutsu artist with them wild ass punches and kicks like you see in the MM"A" fights and see what happen. Let me know what you find out.
dirkdigla1914 3 weeks ago
you dont understand anything about martial arts,
crystyan1975 1 month ago
At full speed, this art is ridiculous. And shodan or above in this art will tell you, ultimately the individual kata are irrelevant. One movement is mixed with another, creating a deadly symphony of movement. Sure, one kata may be unrealistic, but when mixed its terrible. One last thing, we do 'spar' but not for competition. It's called free-response. But whoever made or supports this video, go educate yourself about this sport. Thanks.
pieface3333 1 month ago
lol none u kids know what this art actually is. It breaks bones and kills. not just get them down, beat them, or other easy to recuperate wounds. This is a killers art. Sure, boxing and stuff is powerful, but this is meant to kill, period. We don't compete, because we would kill our opponents more than not. I all you haters to go to your nearest Bujinkan Dojo, train for 3 or so months, and tell me otherwise. And btw, the sword is replaceable with a bat or lead pipe, and the bo a stick or broom
pieface3333 1 month ago
You know, I think that popasmuerf dude just likes to argue and waste time. he argued with me, a taijutsue practioner, among others, and every one els who has the opposit veiws of me. look, guys, a martial artist isnt proven by his style, but his corauge, skill in that style, and his adaptabillity and open mindness to look at others, and learn from them, not copy them.
AmericanSamurai100 1 month ago
Is kicks to the nuts allowed in MMA? Is poking eyes allowed in MMA? Is using nails allowed in MMA? Is it allowed to break bones in MMA? No, didn't think so.
The grandmaster that was before the one we have now was the bodyguard of the last living Emperor. He fought many life and death battles, he won over a 100 of them before his death, which was caused by illness. You look into the small things like the videos on YouTube, open your eyes a bit, Ninjutsu is so much bigger then that.
DGHProductions 1 month ago
@DGHProductions Much if not all of what is written about Takamatsu is anectdotal at best...even if it werent...Takamatsu's proficiency in, and the understanding of effective combat does not automatically transfer over to Hatsumi, or any one else in the Bujinkan...it is like inferring that Jimmy Pedro or Kimura had no need for pressure testing and competing because of the original 10 of Judo proved Judo to be superior to JJJ. Nothing could be further from the truth.
popasmuerf 1 month ago
@popasmuerf Oh well but it shows that Ninjutsu has a lot of potential. I've got nothing against MMA, i respect it, except when they are making fun of others.
DGHProductions 1 month ago
@DGHProductions You also make the mistake of thinking that an MMA practitioner is not going to pull the same "dirty tricks" you would. I don't understand why people think that even though MMA'st who regularly apply techniques that where designed to break bones in a dynamic situation, against an equally skilled and resisting opponent will somehow be unable to actually break the arm of some one trying to endanger their lives. BTW, there have been more than a few broken bones in MMA.
popasmuerf 1 month ago
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all the styles you refer to are sports, and are governed by rules therefore not true or complete combat arts. and besides, bujinkan practitioners are generally too smart to walk into a ring and say, "Go on, try and punch the head off me" unlike you and your mates who seem determined to make your opinions and techniques public. showing off and boasting about how hard you are then punching each others' heads as hard as you can doesn't make any sense to me, but each to their own i guess
tarmaco 1 month ago
I love how you only select segments that suit your purpose while ignoring the mountain of evidence that would kill your argument
Jionunez7 1 month ago
Can you imagine if Martial Arts really did augment confidence and discipline? We wouldn't even have these discussions.
Please teach your students better humanity.
greenpinkyellow 1 month ago
I always love how many experts show up for comments. It's like a free university of shoving my head up other peoples' asses
greenpinkyellow 1 month ago
Is it outside the scope of possibility that someone could come at you with a baseball bat or a galvanized pipe? Couple guys decided to settle their problems with 3/4" galvanized pipes one night at a bar. The coroner had to decide, if death occured when the pipe broke through and was lodged in the cranial cavity, or if it happened when the brain hit the anterior wall of the skull... swords may be out of fashion with most but people still love to swing stuff.
particle9productions 2 months ago
penchak silat looks very similar to Buijnkan. Technikes are similar and aplication is similar, the only difference is that the technickes are done very quickly. The art (Bujinkan) is not wrong, it is the aplication that could be mistaken. And if these guys put resistance (the people that practice Silat), technikes woulden't work either. Only that. Prove me wrong.
zaxarion 2 months ago
@zaxarion Silat is NOTHING like BBT. Even if it were as similar to BBT as you would like to make it out to be....their are much better Striking arts to invest time in than Silat. Muay Thai, Sanda, Boxing and Kyokushin being the best examples...
popasmuerf 1 month ago
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zaxarion 2 months ago
The original Ninjtsu/Taijutsu is from Japan. look up that style, not this style. Shinobi and samurai were both deadly, and yet their fighting styles are either becoming perverted, or have idiots comenting on stuff they dont know anything about.
AmericanSamurai100 2 months ago
And the guy who made Krav Maga knew Judo, (or was it Jujutsu. can't remember) A Taijutsu style. Krav Maga is basicaly a Mixed Martial Art (3 to be exact.) Taijutsu is basicly like calling Chinese Martial Arts kung Fu (which, the original name is Wushu, which means "Martial Art") No Style is completly useless. It can become useless though, if you forget why it was made in the first place. Not sport, but to protect. Any style can become useless, but none are inherently.
AmericanSamurai100 2 months ago
To answer your question, yes, in real fights, UFC crap is useless, theres rules. Sure, not alot, but there are. in a fight, there are no rules. You kick 'em in the throught, scratch of the front of their neck, hit all pressure points you can, then hit them in the heart. Now, at 0:40, your right. As a swordsman, I'm appalled!! And at1:30 aswell. But, True taijutsu is used by our servicemen and women. And even in MMA. (Jujutsu is a taijutsu style. There's like 4 main ones.) Taijutsu- "Body skill
AmericanSamurai100 2 months ago
@AmericanSamurai100 You don't know WTF you are talking about. Do you really believe that faced with someone trying to do them real harm, a Judoka/Jiujiterro/wrestler/MMA practitioner is going to stop cranking an arm-bar or not toss someone on their head because of some rule ? Are this that stupid ? Never mind the fact that all warrior cultures engaged in the "sport/competition" aspect of their MA for the sole purpose of testing effectiveness.
popasmuerf 1 month ago
@popasmuerf I did. And, honestly, I suck compared to a true master of the art. And, the fact is, Taijutsu, real taijutsu, was tested, not in the ring, but in war. The samurai invented jujutsu to counter anothers armor. Then, eigther snap there neck, or stab them with a tanto (knife). And, what do you think I was saying. Boxing doesnt help in a real fight. Just give a good round house kick to the leg, they'll go down. And, fact is, you havent seen my face, how could you know what I know?
AmericanSamurai100 1 month ago
@AmericanSamurai100 Do you know what taijutsu is? It is just another word for jujutsu. Now, why exactly did jujutsu end up sucking so bad towards the end of the meiji period? Why did it end up being almost totally discarded for Judo? Boxing doesnt help in real fight? Please report to your nearest Boxing gym and tell them how much more efficient your Taijutsu is than boxing, and you mean to prove it. I hope you have a good dental plan. You inexperience is obvious.
popasmuerf 1 month ago
@popasmuerf Yes, I do. Jujutsu is only part of it. Theirs four others. Now, forgive me, I'm horrable with names, so I only remember 2 of them. Jujutsu, also known as ju-taijutsu: GRAPPLING SKILL, Koppojutsu, BONEBREAKING SKILL, TERRAIN SKILL, AND STRIKING SKILL. And your question about judo, judo is a toned down version. its because the founder of judo still wanted to teach his art, but he had to make it less violent becuase of the government. Jujutsu was also seen as a samurai art.
AmericanSamurai100 1 month ago
@AmericanSamurai100 Dude, you don't know when to quit do you? Koppo, and ju-taijutsu are all synonyms for Jujutsu. Jujutsu used to encompass a wide range of hand-to-hand fighting ranging from mostly grappling to mostly striking. FYI, Kano created Judo in an effort to synthesize a Jujutsu that kept all the effective techniques and dispense the rest of the bullshit. There is a reason why after the Judo/JJ challenge matches Japanese society switched over to Judo for real fighting.
popasmuerf 1 month ago
@AmericanSamurai100 con'td : even if Kano really "watered down" JJJ by creating Judo, you need to explain to me why Judo practitioners kicked the snot out of all the "deadly" JJJ practioners during the challenge matches(and continue to do so). Keep in mind that these matches where truely NHB...and the Judo guys came out on top....Again..you don't know WTF you are talking about. Like I ask all BBT practitioners, visit a Judo/BJJ gym and see for yourself how useless BBT really is.
popasmuerf 1 month ago
@popasmuerf And, that fact is, Taijutsu is older than modern boxing. Now, show me what greko- roman boxxing was like, then you may have a point, becuase it was more like mma. Great concept, but all they do is add moves, not phylosophy of that art. But, a true ninjutsu/ taijutsu practitioner can and will kill. Boxxing will just k.o. you. Now, which is worse? And my inexperience??? You know, I should of stopped giving deadly info. you obviously dont know about a fight. try being in my fit of rage!
AmericanSamurai100 1 month ago
@AmericanSamurai100 Are you off your meds ? WTF does the age of Taijutsu vs. Boxing having to do with Boxing having a very real record of what its practitioners claim it is capable of and BBT not ? All they do is add moves ? No...as a matter of fact the thing that effective MA have in common is that they have a very small/finite set of teqniques that are used most frequently with VERY little variation. The same cannot be said of BBT.
popasmuerf 1 month ago
@AmericanSamurai100 cont'd: Please directly address my questions pertaining to the Judo vs. JJJ challenge matches and the fact that the H2H coponent of the "9 schools" of BBT are nothing more than JJJ. Please explain why the few BBT pract. who test BBT agains sport MA routinely get their asses kicked. I will take any further attempts at side-stepping my questions are offering answers to questions I never asked as your utter-failure to provide any real argument for the effectiveness of BBT.
popasmuerf 1 month ago
@popasmuerf Thing is, I know warfare, ancient, granted, but I know it. If I fight, its to kill my opponent. There's more than just knowing the right moves. Having the right spirit and heart is even more important. To me, if it was proven on the battlefeild, then all martial arts are usefull. The problem isnt the style, its them, or you, or whoever lost. If you have no martial arts training, but still do your best and fight hard, you may comeout alive. So, dont ever judge an art.
AmericanSamurai100 1 month ago
@AmericanSamurai100 You know ancient warfare? Lulz whut? How in the hell could you know ancient warfare unless you experienced it yourself? Who gives a rat's ass if it was supposedly "proven on the battlefield" in ancient times"....does it work now? Can you provide obvious proof that it does? Funny how all these "sport" MA like MMA/Boxing/Judo/BJJ/Sambo/Sanda,etc have ubiased, readily available evidence of their effectiveness in dynamic situations..taijutsu not so much.
popasmuerf 1 month ago
@popasmuerf YES IT WORKS NOW!! ASK SOMEONE WHOS IN THE MARINES! They practic similar stuff. you see it in the vid. And jodo is a form of taijutsu! And the rest are only for sport. you see, in a true fight with someone who truly knows taijutsu, the fights over BEFORE IT BEGAN. not taking too much time like in MMA, which I like the concept of, by the way. But all they do is take from an already useful art to begin with.
AmericanSamurai100 1 month ago
@AmericanSamurai100 NO...the marines/army practice the army combatives program...and it is composed of Judo/BJJ, boxing, MuayThai and military firearms training...NOTHING and I do mean NOTHING in that syllabus has jack shit to do with BBT, so either you are lying or you are repeating something your idiot friends or instructor told you. I would advise you to stop running your mouth about what training is conducted in the armed forces...service men tend to get touchy about that stuff.
popasmuerf 1 month ago
@popasmuerf Pull out your bloody tampon already kid. You don't make any sense with anything you are arguing about. Judo, Brazilian Jujitsu, and Muay Thai all derive from Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu. As for it being effective to have only a few sets of techniques, I would most definitely disagree. Personally I would prefer to be able to strike, maim, cripple, or kill my opponent from any position or direction, but that's me. Perhaps your memory isn't sharp enough to handle more than a few techniques?
Smith4c2 3 weeks ago
@Smith4c2 Blah..blah..blah.."BBT is too dangerous!!...it was made for killing! ...." I will keep this brief. Judo/BJJ are direct decendents of Kito,Tenjin Shinyo ryu and Western wrestling. They have jack shit to do with BBT. BBT cannot claim that it is "combat ready" as it's practitioners do not engage in combat at ANY level. Complacent drills are not randori. Even the Japanese think you idiots are a bunch of douche-bags who are too soft to learn "real MA". Lulz...fucking Ninjers..
popasmuerf 3 weeks ago
@popasmuerf That is why they were able to use this martial art to defend against the samurai. This art has taken more lives than any other in history.
Also, are you Japanese? Do you speak Japanese? Do you live in Japan? No? Didn't think so. How are you going to say that the Japanese think that their own heritage and culture is idiotic and the people who practice it are douche-bags? In fact this art is a big promoter of Taoism and Zen. It teaches you to make body and mind one.
Smith4c2 2 weeks ago
@Smith4c2 What did or did not occur between the "Ninja" and Samurai has nothing to do with the current skill-set of the average BBT practitioner. Whether or not I am Japanese or whether or not I can speak Japanese has nothing to do with the general disdain/contempt that the Japanese MA community holds for BBT; but don't take my word for it..do the research yourself. They think you are a bunch of goof-balls. Has it ever struck you as odd that the majority of BBT members in Japan are white?
popasmuerf 2 weeks ago
@popasmuerf Oh, one more thing before you let your little Judo panties get all wadded up your ass again. Kito ryu comes from Japanese Jujitsu. Tenjin Shinyo ryu comes from, guess; yep, Japanese Jujitsu. Now Western Wrestling just comes from guys who got tired of rolling around with women and decided to replace them with big, hairy, sweaty men. Oh, my bad, I didn't mean to remind you of your past. You should conduct some research before hand next time.
Don't bite checks your ass can't cash!
Smith4c2 2 weeks ago
@popasmuerf And theres a reason kung fu, Muay Boron, an ancestor of muay thai, and taijutsu are not in it. Its too damn dangerous!! Trust me, I've sparred with freinds who use those styles, and if I never have to fight them, then that a good thing!! Don't be a fool and disregaurd a style, just becuase its not usefull to you!! learn from as much styles as you can and ADAPT!!!! please, at least the phylosophy!!
AmericanSamurai100 1 month ago
@AmericanSamurai100 ..NO the reasy why Kungfu(as its commonly understood) Muay Boran, and taijutus are not included is because they DON'T FUCKING WORK. Forget the eye gouges and groin kicks, those MA have trouble producing individuals who can pull off any of their techniques under pressure. That is the reason..and the reason alone. Please STFU until you have actually pressure tested your techniques.
popasmuerf 1 month ago
@popasmuerf And don't ever underestimate anyone. You claim I have no knowledge, yet you just said what I said earlyer. Martial Arts are for getting out alive, either by kicking them in the nuts, tearing out their throught, or cracking their neck. just bitting will do. To me, it comes to this, Don't waste energy, use your instincts, use your head, and fight with all you got untill you or your family safe.
AmericanSamurai100 1 month ago
@AmericanSamurai100 "Tearing out throats"...Okay...now I am 100% positive you don't know what you are talking about. Like I posted earlier...please visit your local Judo/BJJ/Boxing/wrestling/MMA/etc gym and tell them you are their to prove the superiority of BBT with respect to fighting...please video record and post to YouTube. You will never do this of course because you know deep down inside it will not end well for you.
popasmuerf 1 month ago
@popasmuerf all the styles you refer to are sports, and are governed by rules therefore not true or complete combat arts. and besides, bujinkan practitioners are generally too smart to walk into a ring and say, "Go on, try and punch the head off me" unlike you and your mates who seem determined to make your opinions and techniques public. showing off and boasting about how hard you are then punching each others' heads as hard as you can doesn't make any sense to me, but each to their own i guess
tarmaco 1 month ago
@tarmaco Wrong. All those MA I mentioned are MA that continue the tradition of warrior cultures throughout history of maintaining component that serves as a filter for all the garbage that seems to proliferate these days in MA such as BBT. None of the MA I mentioned were created to be "sports" Judo for example was created for the purposed standardizing Japanese Jujutsu in order to make it better.
popasmuerf 1 month ago
@tarmaco ..(cont'd) and guess what? That "sport" MA ended up kicking the asses of all those Jujutsu masters. As for showing off and boasting...that would be totally different than the voluminous amount of videos displaying BBT techniques would it ? You are not boasting but somehow you(Buj) always tend to mention how BBT is superior for combat because you don't pressure test even the most "non-deadly" of your techniques? Funny how Takamatsu was never shy about letting people know what's what.
popasmuerf 1 month ago
@tarmaco And finally,...the go to, canned retort of all Buj practioners..."Your rules limit you..." has been demonstrably proven false time and time again. There are volumes of evidence of "Sport MA" practitioners successively and efficiently defending themselves in real world situations...and on the (modern) battlefield(research the main MA that comprise military combatives..all sport MA). Do you really believe I will not break your arm because of some rule if my life depended on it ? Idiot.
popasmuerf 1 month ago
@popasmuerf shut up mma fan boy, mad cus bitch ass brock got beat by a real fighter the reem, pussy ass nigga, rza would spit in your face you faggot ass nigga
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DGHProductions 1 month ago
@popasmuerf OK, turn the whole argument round to yourself mate. Spend a few yen signing up for Hombu Dojo membership, then walk in there and tell the teacher the technique he just showed doesn't work. then attack him with whatever you like and we'll call the ambulance for you. I've trained in BBT for 13 years and I'm nobody compared to those guys who have 40-50 years experience (72 years in Hatsumi's). Who exactly is it you think you are? Go on, tell us your credentials big man
tarmaco 1 month ago
@tarmacoThe fact that you can't hold your own with a bunch of
old men after 13 years of training belies the quality of
BBT. I have trained with judoka who trained and fought
on the national and international level for 20-50 years and they
are NO MATCH for me, despite their level of experience..this is what
happens when you get older...despite your level of skill..you would know
this if you knew anything about figting in the real world.
popasmuerf 1 month ago
@popasmuerf now you show your ignorance of BBT. The whole point is that you can carry on with this kind of training into your old age, unlike the various kinds of prize boxing. Hatsumi is capable of things your feeble imagination couldn't grasp and that's come from a lifetime !!72 years!! in martial arts. He has held teaching licenses in all the main Japanese arts, and gave up teaching judo 50 years ago because it gives advantage to stronger people. Go on, get to Japan and find out for yourself
tarmaco 1 month ago
@tarmaco Your really are delusional. You can practice any MA in old age...but that really is not the point at all. You claim that a 72 year old man regularly kicks your ass in a MA that is more or less another type of Jujitusu. Hatsumi knows things that I couldn't grasp like what exactly? Why is it whenever any one questions the validity of BBT/Hatsumi claims you can NEVER get a straight answer? All you get is anecdotal nonsense....even the Japanese think BBT is a joke.
popasmuerf 1 month ago
@tarmaco Oh yeah...did I forget to mention I used to train in BBT? Did I mention I actually had the balls to test these "uber deadly, combat" techniques by visiting a Judo club? NONE of that crap worked. I repeat NONE. Not even " Gansake nage", Why ? Application wins over theory every single time. Those people knew what they where doing because they routinely put their skills to the test..not wasting time "feeling" the movement with 100% compliancy.
popasmuerf 1 month ago
@popasmuerf oh yeah ok you're right then.
but, run that by me one more time: you trained in BBT but never went to japan? hah. gobshite
tarmaco 1 month ago
@tarmaco Yeah..never went to Japan...then again I happen to be one of the better known Judoka in Maryland/Virginia but never been to the Kodokan...nor has any of the national and international Judoka I train with...are you implying that these guys suck because they never been to Japan? Please tell me you are because if so you basically made my point for me. How much does your MA suck-ass if you have to travel to Japan in order develop any real proficiency?
popasmuerf 1 month ago
@popasmuerf you claim to know enough about the Bujinkan to be qualified to slag it into the ground but the fact is it's impossible to truly understand what the school is all about if you've never trained in the hombu dojo and / or the dojos of the other senior Japanese instructors. Don't get me wrong, plenty of dickheads go there too, but you haven't even bothered to find out properly for yourself about something you so passionately hate. Just take the clip down and get a life
tarmaco 1 month ago
@tarmaco You need to get back on your Meds. I need to go to hombu to truely understand BBT? Either it works reliably on a frequent basis or it doesnt. If something only provides value after I study it for years or only if I study it at a certain location then it is pretty much useless. Judo works from the 1st day of training...no matter where you learn it..same goes for all sport MA. Do you even realize you just argued my point for me ?
popasmuerf 1 month ago
popasmuerf, good luck trying to get through to this deluded Hatsumi-worshipper; he's full of cliches.
slapupchrist 1 month ago
@slapupchrist Dude..that's just it...you want to play Ninja..fine..God bless..I have absolutely no problem with that...what kills me is that they ALWAYS protray them selves as the reincarnation of Hachiman when every last one of them cant even manage to pull of an Osoto-gari against a FULLY compliant uke without throwing themselves first. It is almost enough to make me want to storm the nearest Buj dojo and pull a "Gracie's in Action" on their doughy, smug asses.
popasmuerf 1 month ago
popasmuerf, like you, I've been doing GENUINE training aginst resistance for years. Judo is a classic example to me of how it really feels to resist and defeat resistance.
The Bujinkan is just another wanky LARP-fest, in a similar vein to aikido and Daitoryu aikijutsu.
All Hatsumi did was rip-off some of the already extant jujutsu techniques, add a few more ridiculous and fanciful ones, and rake-in the cash as thousands of gullible, wimpy nerds paid for his 'secrets'.
slapupchrist 1 month ago
By the way, popasmuerf, you're dead right: there's nothing to learn at Bujinkan Honbu that you can't learn in a Western dojo.
When I was young and foolinh, I trained in the Buj. I went to Honbu on a few occasions. I wasted my money, and saw what a wanky LARP-fest it was.
Stick with Westren fighting methods; they do away with the airy fairy bollocks and superstitous nonsense that they love in Japan.
As for ninjers: not even Japan takes them seriously.
Ninjers... LOL!
slapupchrist 1 month ago
@tarmaco cont'd...and the reason why sport MA work on day one of training is because they are standardized systems that continually pressure test the techniques and theories that comprise those respective systems. Like I asked before...provide proof of BBT's superiority to sport MA by reporting to your nearest sport MA gym and recording and then posting the resulting video, if not then please STFU.
popasmuerf 1 month ago
@popasmuerf and like I asked before, seeing as you're the one who so desperately wants to prove something and demonstrate your infinite knowledge and understanding of martial arts, go into any shihan's dojo in Japan and challenge the instructor. At least then you'll die happy. Good luck fool
tarmaco 1 month ago
LOL!!! tarmaco, have you seen any videos of juodoka or MMA guys slow motion role playing and saying they are self defence experts???
Wake up, you deluded fool; there is only one party, here, that has anything to prove and that's the Bujinkan.
Answer me this: WHY ARE THERE NO VIDEOS OF BUJINKAN TRAINING AGAINST RESISTANCE?
You're so predictable that it's positively nauseating.
Grow up.
slapupchrist 1 month ago
@slapupchrist yawn
tarmaco 1 month ago
Thanks for that reaction, tarmaco; every time you Buj/ninjer enthusiasts get involved in a debate, you post the following predictables:
1. Anecdotal evidence... "I once beat ten guys in a bar using omote gyaku" or "If you go to Honbu, you'll see that the Buj trains against resistance"
2. Deflect the argument... "Show me proof for your claims that MMA is realistic"
3. Resort to sarcasm and insults... "...demonstrate your infinite knowledge" and "Good luck, fool"
4. Give up... "Yawn"
slapupchrist 1 month ago
@tarmaco So...let's see..you are the one who who initiated the "debate" between you and I, when i ask you for specifics pertaining to your bullshit claims, all you can seem to offer is straw-man, invective, and ad hominen,...can we now safely conclude that you are full of shit? Thanks but it would appear with the combination of BBT and you reasoning skills...you are the one who needs "luck". Ass-wipe.
popasmuerf 1 month ago
@popasmuerf yawn
tarmaco 1 month ago
tarmaco, please don't bother wasting intelligent peoples' time with the whole 'you have to go to Honbu to see the secret techniques' argument; that's like me saying "You have to go to Mars to understand how Martians visit Earth"
Listen, you deluded fool: There is as much proof for Bujinkan techniques working against resisting opponents as there is for Martians zapping Earthlings.
If anyone goes to Bujinkan Honbu they'll see the same bollocks as they see on You Tube: LARPing.
slapupchrist 1 month ago
@tarmaco Oh, and one last thing...BBT is nothing more than another type of Jujitsu...did you know that Judo/BJJ is also another type of Jujutsu? A throw is a throw, a choke is a choke...I don't need to be in fucking Japan in order to understand how to toss you on your fucking head or snap every bone in your body...I have been applying these techniques against skilled, fully resisting opponents for over 5 years. Their is a reason why BBT is a fucking laughing stock in Japan...
popasmuerf 1 month ago
@tarmaco Oh, and should I have also visited Greece in order to make sure I had the "real" boxing ?
popasmuerf 1 month ago
@tarmaco I was thinking about starting BJJ on a more frequent basis in a few months...so does the fact that I will likely never visit Brazil anytime soon mean I would be wasting my time? Lolz...ninjas...
popasmuerf 1 month ago
LOL!!!, popasmuerf.
Ninjers... LOL!!!
slapupchrist 1 month ago
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@tarmaco I was thinking about starting BJJ on a more frequent basis in a few months...so does the fact that I will likely never visit Brazil anytime soon mean I would be wasting my time? Lolz...ninjas...
popasmuerf 1 month ago
@tarmaco My credentials ? 7 years Judo, rank Shodan...routinely finishes first in the Maryland and Virginia Open...10 years boxing...brown belt Kyokushin Karate...oh and LOL at me being sent to the hospital but some old man in a MA that doesnt even pressure test their techniques...but I guess I would get hurt..if I stood their and let them put me in that bullshit omote-whatever...and do nothing..or preemptively fall down or wince in pain as bujinkan training seems to prescribe...
popasmuerf 1 month ago
@tarmaco Now that I think about it...the fact that I would have to travel to Japan to see the "real" BBT further undermines your argument. Go any where int he world..even to a local YMCA and you will find Judoka who I am fairly certain would maul ANY BBT practitioner..no matter what their rank. If your MA is not teaching you skills that are applicable on DAY ONE of training then your MA is pretty much garbage.
popasmuerf 1 month ago
@popasmuerf no, not all. there is taijutsu as well. look at Krav Mega. It has Boxing, Judo, a form of taijutsu (means bod skill), and knife fighting.
AmericanSamurai100 1 month ago
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@popasmuerf all the styles you refer to are sports, and are governed by rules therefore not true or complete combat arts. and besides, bujinkan practitioners are generally too smart to walk into a ring and say, "Go on, try and punch the head off me" unlike you and your mates who seem determined to make your opinions and techniques public. showing off and boasting about how hard you are then punching each others' heads as hard as you can doesn't make any sense to me, but each to their own i guess
tarmaco 1 month ago
@popasmuerf learn Tiger claw. First off. Second off, its easyer than a k.o. 3rd, your a fool... you think that I'd lose because of style. ha!! No, if I lose, its becuase of expreince, nothing els. That just mean that If I survive and lose, I better my self. Become stronger. And, I don't care who you are, I'll never give up a fight, because, to do so would cost my life!!!! Oh, and a good martail artist doesn't have to prove himself. And Nothing is a 100 % garantee. You could lose or win.
AmericanSamurai100 1 month ago
really? your argument is comparing starters to pros? if you think that a martial art is just to kick ass, then PLEASE don't do shit. You must be one of those dudes that just want to punch people in the face for no reason, just to show how good a fiighter you are. Bujinkan teaches you more than just punching faces and breaking arms, it teaches you how to use martial arts to your daily life and how to improve yourself in spirit.
Farofascaptain 2 months ago
Ummm.... I'll make it simple. Do a compilation of 5th dan black belt level martial artists in different arts.... have em spar... see what happens. End of story. Idiot wants to show low level clowns one minute, then UFC combatants the next. It doesn't matter if someone claims to be a Bujinkan practitioner.. that's not enough... what level of study did he / she get up to? "I've been in the Bujinkan for 3 months.. I'm going to fight UFC now... tada!!" Totally clownish.
Thegreatartful 2 months ago
If you have the doubt about Budo Taijutsu effectiveness, go and try some lessons with a Shihan. Don't say shit about something if you don't know a thing about it.
BroX111 2 months ago
You upload some random videos as the Ultimate Evidence that BBT is uneffective. Then I can post videos of begginner's lessons of every martial art in the world to prove the same. In other martial arts they never train slowly? They spare every single day? And if there's no tournaments in Bujinkan is because finishing techniques would often lead to serious injuries. Btw, there's plenty of military and special forces (I know many) learning BBT, so I guess they don't agree with your opinion about it
BroX111 2 months ago
@Blazureokami well, yeah marine martial arts is just a bunch of moves put together by Marines that study martial arts. I mean they do take out moves that really dont work in real life ( like a sword), and put the basics, and more complex stuff at higher level belts. Brilliance at the Basics gentlement.
managrey 2 months ago
@Blazureokami why?
managrey 2 months ago
i have done some of this art, and had an instructor and a black belt in his dojo literally tossed me around, i have taken aikido, taekwondo, some ju jitsu and muay thai and let me tell you this shit is effective if you know what the hell you are doing. So instead of bashing a martial art because it isnt the rule based mma that everyone thinks is the shit actually try it yourself.
Jacob5689 2 months ago
I have had many injuries and painful times in the bujinkan and it didnt even include sparring! Yes sparring is done but with utmost caution and a good Uke and Tori relationship.
DaliciaChris 2 months ago
Wash that down with Koolaid and dont forget the sugar!! Oh Yeaahh!!!
DaliciaChris 2 months ago
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Its obvious that you dont understand budo taijutsu
DaliciaChris 2 months ago
And to add, I am just being "humble" about it.
DaliciaChris 2 months ago
Its a shame that Marines actually want to do candy ass MMA. Upon seeing the above video our soldiers actually want to "fuck around " in a combat situation instead doing the necessary "killing" in a war zone!? Damn we are in good hands. My father is an ex-green beret special forces veteran and he agrees that Budo Taijutsu is down right ruthless. Yea i showed him some good stuff one day. Instead of wasting your fucking time trying to bash the bujinkan shut the fuck up and train.
DaliciaChris 2 months ago
They do not compete within the dojo, or join in tournaments. That doesn't mean they don't spar in the dojo, but it's not competitive. It's a pure martial combat art form, and a lot of the techniques are not relevant to modern self-defense on the street. Like Kung Fu, they're keeping what they believe to be a pure form of the martial art alive, and that should be respected. Don't expect it to be what you want it to be, accept it for what it is. If you want to fight, then Thai Boxing etc.
shades2 3 months ago
what you have shown are not martial arts. it is just kicking and punching and some grabs... that is not a real martial ART. even monkeys can do that.
mauriciocrx 3 months ago
i think one of the best things about ninjutsu is the fact that it allows one to be who they really wish to be without having to put on some false ego and train for hours at the gym to make them feel like there accepted
TheFuryMuff 4 months ago
@TheFuryMuff dress up as a ninja instead?
Dude im not against ninjitsu, but please do not insult efficient training as ego boosting
JKT6 4 months ago
Here is a little lesson for you:
All arts are deadly when in the hands of someone with a reason to win. Therefore, never underestimate anyone, show respect to all.
In the words of a Warrior:
Wherever I go, everyone is a little bit safer because I am there.
Wherever I am, everyone in need has a friend.
Whenever I return home, everyone is happy that i am there.
by Robert L. Humphrey ( a marine).
And I do not consider myself in a Buyu but I love the creed. HAVE SOME RESPECT!! and respect all
EmoneyMaker28 4 months ago 3
MCMAPS was co-created by Jack Hoban, an ex-marine and an instructor in the Bujinkan. It's based on some basic Budo Taijutsu principles.
demoskunk 4 months ago 2
Thanks for using the sloppiest martial arts out to back your claim. your an idiot. Why did national geographic name it the # 2 most dangerous martial art. your a loser
kareemdouglas 4 months ago
Easy to use vids from trainings when everything is showed in really slowmotion etc. Isn't it? Ask any bujinkan budo taijutsu teacher to show you Ura Gyaku or something else on full speed :3 enjoy the pain
DragoonDragonFan 4 months ago 3
@DragoonDragonFan that is so true or a kick from a shihan... it is so debastating. just one kick. never less one full techninque cracking your elbow and your nee at the same time, while cutting your breathing.
mauriciocrx 3 months ago
@mauriciocrx Very true. A Shihan (Karate) showed me a technique, a medium-range fist strike, that if you
were on the receiving end of, you are going to be seriously injured with one punch, if he connects. There is so
much power focused behind the strike, forget about fighting after that, you'd just be nursing a broken face. It
puts things in perspective, don't mess with people, you never know...
shades2 3 months ago
I don't know that many people who are into it. I know one very well though, he wasn't always able to control "reflexes". Admittedly he was young and on a hiatus (not actively training with a teacher) which may explain the lack of selfcontrol. Most of his "real fights" lasted 1 punch.
A lot of what he knew was not really suitable for sports because it could kill you or left you severely injured. I think he's better off now, back in the dojo doing it in slow motion again.
Blakar 5 months ago
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Video evidence of training against resistance:
BujinkanTurkiye
Bujinkan Turkiye Shodans Randori
Bujinkan free mutodori with face mask
Enjoy!
markjrich1 5 months ago
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markjrich1 5 months ago
I WILL SAY IT AGAIN TO YOU MISTER SLAPUP.... if you are so worried bout the training, just tell me where you would like to find good training and i will direct you to it, AND I CAN ASSURE YOU,, the people i send you too, the bujinkan people....will not only fully and completely devastate you during triaing, but im sure i can arrange some people to show you the error in your ways as far as your sad little cry for help in a name.."slapupchrist"..give me a break,,are you really that mad.
Endure2theEnnd 5 months ago
Endure2theEnnd, I live in Australia.
Please tell me the extra super duper deadly Bujinkan ninjers that can 'devastate' me in training! LOL!!!
Also, please pass-on my details (since you profess to know who I am) to the people who can show me the 'error' of my ways.
Come on, now: you've made statements about me and the Bujinkan people who can devastate me... WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE? NAME THEM. WHO AM I? BACK-UP YOUR TYPICALLY UNFOUNDED CLAIMS, YOU NINJER SCHMUCK.
slapupchrist 5 months ago
@slapupchrist yes idiot, after speaking to hoban and e few others that came across you over the years i was able to determine who you are. As for your desire to put me the people your crying about, im not bujinkan, im in the military. My point was never that your wrong, i agree, most the people you trained with..suck. My point is that if you want me to i can point you to people with good training, no matter where you are. Or like i said...come to america, and i will be happy to throw you around.
Endure2theEnnd 5 months ago
Endure2theEnnd, if you've spoken with Jack Hoban (who I have trained with), who am I? What is my name?
slapupchrist 5 months ago
@slapupchrist i have a question for you, what do you do that makes you such a know it all, you didnt train for ten years like you say, you just went to a few random seminars. you never had a real teacher so you have a bitter taste about a small group and you associate it with a large group, much like im sure you do with your outlook on religion. real men will go from school to school looking for good training, but not bitching and crying when they never find it. ...sorry you never found it.
Endure2theEnnd 5 months ago
Endure2theEnnd, try reading my profile again; I trained in the Buj for long enough to be graded by Hatsumi. I passed the Godan test, mate. I saw it all, and it was absolute bollocks.
I trained in Britain, America and Australia, and I trained in Japan a few times. It was all absolute bollocks; just LARPing.
How about you back-up your unfounded claims?
1. Bujinkan training against resistance: video evidence, please.
2. YOU SAY YOU KNOW WHO I AM BECAUSE YOU'VE SPOKEN TO JACK HOBAN: WHO AM i?
slapupchrist 5 months ago
@slapupchrist no you didnt ...hatsumi took your money...they all took your money cause thats all you were worth i guess...some money. you wernt good to train with and didnt ever develop any real technique. you didnt pass the godan test because you didnt pass the first time...and thats that.
Endure2theEnnd 5 months ago 2
Endure2theEnnd, thanks for telling me about myself. You ninjers love to do that.
You've even said you know who I am.
Everyone reading this thread can see your post, so back-up your claim.
Who am I? What is my name? Come on, Mr. Super Duper Damn Diddly Deadly Ninjer.
WHAT IS MY NAME?
slapupchrist 5 months ago
I used the principles of distancing, timing and angling taught in the Bujinkan in a street fight with three armed opponents (knife, stick, nunchuks) and I got out unscathed. I was unarmed. Worked for me...
markjrich1 5 months ago 13
@markjrich1 cool story...im glad i dont live in a hood where nunchuks are common..haha
Endure2theEnnd 5 months ago
@markjrich1
When and where did this happen, 18th century Japan? Are you seriously claiming to have been attacked by a gang of guys that included a guy walking around with nunchucks?
tuskydoo 4 months ago
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markjrich1 4 months ago
@tuskydoo
It happened in 1994. These guys were not walking around. They were in a vehicle. Look at any martial arts catalog, Black Belt magazine etc, and you will see nunchuks for sale. Some of them end up in cars, in closests, under tables and lots of other places. I am not sure why you think this is such a big deal.
markjrich1 4 months ago
@tuskydoo actually a lot of thug activity has nunchaku in the described assault weapons. It's the reason why they are illegal to even possess in the state of California and more. I've even seen a fight between 2 people of the same gang, one using a baseball bat and one using nunchaku. They are very easy to buy cheap and they hurt a lot, so naturally, they're used.
DespairIIIX 3 months ago
@markjrich1 lmao you little lying bastard... by distancing and timing, do you mean running away? Oh I also forgot people go around getting in street fights carrying nunchuks. LMAO you are pathetic. bujinkan is a mcdojo chain, fancy but useless.
CrimsonGetsu 2 months ago
... you would know that it is highly dangerous. I myself have had more injuries than I could have ever imagined, and that is being cautious and even training with Redman gear! I have trained with some of the best in the USA, and from my point of view as a former Marine, a pracitioner of BBT, and a martial artist in general, I have to say that your perspective is highly suspect, ignorant, and an insult to the people in the know.
rpmoore04 5 months ago 10
I am not big on making comments, but given the topic here I had to take a moment to do so. I cannot imagine why you have apparently made it your goal in life to try to discredit Taijutsu, but it is clear that you have. You need to clarify your facts if your going to "report" on the art. One of the foundations of MCMAP IS Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu - go research it and clarify this for yourself. If you have actually ever "trained" in the art yourself.........
rpmoore04 5 months ago
You idiot, Ninjutsu DO sparring... ever heard of randori? I guess not, because your whole point is to show how much ninjutsu suck. Just because they don't have competitions and trophies doesn't make it a non combat martial art.... Well, , newsflash for you - Krav maga, the Israeli martial art - doesn't have competitions either. And you know why? For the exact same reason!!! Krav maga is intended to cause as much damage as possible, and to get you out ALIVE. It kind of contradicts what you said.
ashendary 5 months ago
I think people who are dedicated to making videos about Bujinkan destructive feel pain about something or maybe they just could not practice or found it hard to train
ALVAROMAJANO 6 months ago
Or maybe, ALVAROMAJANO, they can see what a total con the Bujinkan is, and they want to let everyone know that it's a waste of time and money.
slapupchrist 5 months ago
First of all, i think hatsumi sensei is almost 80 now... can your grandpa still get up everyday and throw much bigger and younger people around all day....mine cant, bet yours cant either. As for the training in japan, most of the japanese shihan are also getting up there in years and there has been less and less intense training as the years have passed..which it should for people getting older.As far as USA, i know plenty good places to train..intense hardcore serious training, just ask.
Endure2theEnnd 6 months ago
Endure2theEnnd,
"can your grandpa still get up everyday and throw much bigger and younger people around all day....mine cant"
Neither can Hatsumi, you deluded fool. The bigger and younger people you see flying around the dojo, during a Hatsumi demonstrating, are ACTING; THEY ARE TAKING A DIVE FOR THEIR OLD CULT LEADER.
Wake up.
slapupchrist 5 months ago
@slapupchrist actually..since you wanna call me a fool,, i know who you are and i know many of the people you trained under. your a sissy...and you train like a sissy. Ive personaly been thrown by hatsumi sensei (which i know for a fact you havnt) ...ive been struck my hatsumi sensei ( which you havnt)... and ive trained with many people from many arts around the world, and let me say, Soke is devastating if he wants to be. Just because the people you trained with saw through you, dont be mad.
Endure2theEnnd 5 months ago
Okay, Endure2theEnnd, since you say you know who I am, how about you name me?
Are you a ninjer detective who knows who people are by their posts on You Tube???
Who am I? Who did I train with? Please enlighten us all, oh ninjer.
slapupchrist 5 months ago
@slapupchrist to addto that, when i say they saw through you, i imagine they still took your money...in fact im sure they would still be happy to sell you some high rank, let you come take your godan test a million times till you sort of get it...which they will and do. and just like all the others you will go in the big book of godans and shihan that "sort of" passed....but the real book, the real record is still not much bigger than its been for many years, not many are worthy anymore.
Endure2theEnnd 5 months ago
Endure2theEnnd, YOU ARE HILARIOUS!
"Not many are worthy anymore". LOL!!!
So, who used to be worthy? Who are the deadly ninjer masters who passed the godan test, and are now classified as being 'worthy'???
You know what? You sound like the absolute CLASSIC example of a Bujinkan dreamer, who has all these ideas and THEORIES about what makes a ninjer, but has got ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF WHATSOEVER to back-up his claims.
I suppose you train against resistance, right?
Ninjers... liars.
slapupchrist 5 months ago
@slapupchrist you wont take me up on my offer...if you want proof about your sad theory on training with resistance...than i say this....I will give you a place to stay and food to eat, you come train with me, resist all you want,, bring any weapon you want, even a gun, and when im done wiping the floor with you day in day out, you can go home ,get online, and tell everyone how you finally found a "ninja" who trains with resistance, or what little you will be able to put up.
Endure2theEnnd 5 months ago
@slapupchrist oh and too name a few,.. Nagato sensei would easily smash you and laugh at you after!! Shihan Novan, Shihan Legare, Shihan Hardy, Shihan Evans,Shihan Nativ, Shihan Fleitas......i could do this all day. all these people would be happy to show you some "resistance" training you so long for.
Endure2theEnnd 5 months ago
look I appreciate that you are trying to be objective, but you are making a big mistake in underestimating Budo Taijutsu. I have trained in arts from around the world, and for me this is the best art (but maybe not for everyone). Due not underestimate what we can do, or our training methods. The weapons are dated, but have a purpose. Also, the reason we don't compete is because we don't wish to hurt others. We take training seriously and train to maim and kill, not win trophies.
genbusama 6 months ago
Thanks for the comedy routine of all the ninjer cliches thrown into a single post, genbusama; that was priceless!
Ninjers... LOL!
slapupchrist 5 months ago
Check out the Akban Academy videos and you'll get an idea about real Ninpo Taijutsu. It's not for people who have very little patience.
MrLeicamaster 6 months ago
Ok. Put at it this way, we fight in the ring with you wearing your MMA gloves or boxing gloves and me with my shurikens or a gun. We start on the opposite corners on the ring. Either I throw my shurikens, and you get injured and I could run away or I could shoot you and you die. Make sense?
sungjijun 7 months ago
@sungjijun Then why do you need all that bollocks training? Any retard can shoot a gun to deadly effect.
ninjakid6 7 months ago
@ninjakid6
Point is, you know ring fighting. If someone is to kill you then he'll do what it takes to take you down. No rules. So its goes to the rule of having a leverage in a fight. Not everytime you got a gun, not everytime you got a weapon but, if its a fight and you got to survive, sport fighting wont apply. And if you are used the way of fighting in the ring, then that becomes a habit, taking away the combat aspects of the martial arts as the sport rules has become 2nd nature to you.
sungjijun 7 months ago
@ninjakid6
just like what you said, any retard can shoot a gun to a deadly effect. but not all retard go and be stupid enough to fight in sports and get hurt. not every time you have a gun or a knife or a club but you need all advantage you need thats why you train. its all about advantage and who comes first.
sungjijun 7 months ago
@sungjijun i'm a sport fighter. i've been in real fights. i wasn't limited by my "sport training." I didn't follow the rules that I learned for my sport and I still won. you are a cultist who follows with complete blind faith. it must suck to have no identity.
bizitch71717 6 months ago
@bizitch71717 That flying armbar is great when you have a nice soft mat to fall on. All I have to say is I do BJJ, MMA and I've trained in Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu. There are things you learn in BT that are very useful and if you've never trained it, it's pretty ignorant to make claims about something you don't have first hand knowledge of. Many martial arts don't compete, does that mean they don't work?
MrLeicamaster 6 months ago
BTW - thanks for your skepticism Bujinkult, it has actually inspired us to do a line of videos on HOW this can be effective for "combat". While they're not sparring vids, hopefully they can shed some light on how things change with training vs real world fighting (and they definitely do change). Check out the video response.
ShinobiNoTodai 7 months ago