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  • As a Christian I find Hitchens to be very intriguing. I do believe in God but sometimes religion can ruin many things (N) I feel God isnt the kind of being that would punish someone for being Gay or for having disbelief. If you are good on earth I feel you will be rewarded.

  • RIP

  • other animals have self awareness have self awareness like elephants, dolphins, octopi, to name a few. elephants know when they are dying and go to a patch of land to go die... usually to their birth place i would think. i mean they would remember cuz they have such extraordinary memory! their relatives know and accept the fact that their time is up... theres no prolonging life or anything like that! i don't get why humans don't accept the fact that life is a cycle! it's sad really!

  • other animals have self awareness like elephants, dolphins, octopi, to name a few!

  • What a wanker - God is perfect, people f*** up religion

  • @sarahplaya God is perfect, but he isn't great. Just like the atom is perfect (or close to it). If god was great, he'd intervene a little more often, right?

    I'm agnostic - I believe that god created the universe, but I think he pretty much just left after that. Probably to head out and create other universes.

  • Hitchens is a great man. Hope he survives his disease.

  • Now he has Cancer keep spreading the hate.

  • The media makes me cringe.

  • 'feargod' . Your handle says it all. That is exactly the basis for most religious beliefs and dogmas. Fear. Fear of the unknown. Fear of death. Fear we aren't special, that we evolved form 'lower' life forms. Religious people fear knowledge. Some still fear hell. They fear that all there is is what we see. They fear what they can't understand.

  • Those who do not believe in God our creator are nothing more then fools, please explain to me how this world was perfectly positioned from the sun to sustain life and tilted precisely to achieve the different seasons. My advice to those who are perishing make sure you take air-conditioners cause you will need them where you are going.

  • @FearGod79 we are on earth because it is so perfect, we couldnt survive on venus or jupiter because its not suited for life, life cannot survive on something that does not provide the building blocks for life

  • @FearGod79 I would right a full detailed essay if it weren't for these maximum of 500 characters. But I will do my best to fill it out. Is perfect subjective? Yes. So what is perfection? If another life form existed in our replacement or somewhere out there with entirely different laws and requirements, wouldn't you say that they could think the exact same way? The laws of the universe we have now are perfect for us because we perceive us as normal, but anything can be normal.

  • @i6o4 fml... I meant "write".

  • @i6o4 Perfect is subjective. But god (if he does exist) is immune to human observation. If humans could observe him, he wouldn't be god. We'd fear him for whatever power he has, but that's it. We probably wouldn't worship him anymore, either because too many christians would be in denial, or because someone gets some bright idea and pisses him off. Y'know, the usual story. :D

  • "Moral atheist" - there's an oxymoron of I've ever heard one. He hit the nail right on the head, though, when he said "it's not possible to believe this nonsense." Christianity and evolution are incompatible. The solution is clear - we must reject the bind faith of evolution.

  • There is no choice. You don't have civilization without religion. Christianity is responsible for the civilization of much of the world. Modern science is also indebted to Christian theism.

  • @bestvalue

    Hello Dum-Dum, ever heard of a little thing called THE FUCKING DARK AGES!! Science was considered devil worship (and still is by Many fundamentalists). If not for religion always finding ways to screw with FORWARD progress we would have flying cars, and I would have a summer house on the freakin' moon!

  • @CodenameAnubis LOL! Please tell me you don't really believe the nonsense you just said. Read a little bit about the history of science and learn the reasons in arose and flourished in the Christian West. One of the major reasons is that science starts by assuming the universe is rational and behaves according to the laws of a rational God.

  • @ 4:51 it sounds like he says Sonny & Cher Muslims lol

  • @gnarCR that's what I thought he said too!

  • Does any theist wonder why people on the internet, who has access to tremendously more information than those who don't; tend to be atheists? Why are well informed people atheists?

  • @incyc70 I'm not a theist, but I suspect the response would be that those on the internet are tremendously younger and less experienced.

  • @incyc70 I'm well informed and I'm a theist. Information doesn't ruin someone's faith it deepens it.

  • @TechFo That's not what studies and statistics show. Maybe you are an exception or you just don't know how badly informed you are.

  • @MrG0TH1ER I'm well educated.. I'm in university, Im taking theology. I don't go around spreading made up bullshit while using the excuse "its in the bible" science and religion can go hand in hand. My faith is never broken, just constantly evolving and I get a better understanding of the world as science progresses. Not all religious people need to be stereotyped as ignorant bible thumpers

  • @TechFo Are you theist or deist?

  • @MrG0TH1ER theist

  • @TechFo

  • @TechFo Well I'd first recommend you to read whatever gospel/book your religion is based on again, cover to cover. And remember to apply normal logic to your book. Then you will have take then first step to apostasy. The reason people don't believe in your book is the same reason why you wouldn't take in any other religion as true. So if you say that information only deepens your "faith" then you either haven't gotten the right info, or you haven't gotten enough. Again go read you book.

  • Brilliant guy

  • Atheists don't thank yourselves and hitch a ride off Earth in your own self existence by any given chance that consciousness and awareness is a product of the brain or universe

    Thank God is unimaginable powerful and the Greatest Conceivable Being whom displays it throughout the universe in which your Soul has consciousness and awareness not for a moment, but in eternal life

    How Great is God!

    Both arms up in the air to praise God.

  • @RR410T

    I was going to make some smart-ass comment about your post, but your sentence's are so ass-backwards I'm not sure where to start. Maybe you should read the bible less, and take a fucking English class.

  • This fat oaf is an idiot!!!

  • lol George looks fat

  • @P5YOUSUCK Have you actually SEEN any of his debates? There are PLENTY on YouTube. I have yet to see one where he 'doesn't listen' to his opponent. I have seen several where the reverse is true.

  • Who that's got to be a new record, It only took 58 seconds for Hitchen to make a stupid claim, I can't believe I used to think of this man as insightful.

  • People are always blaming something for the atrocities of this world. I'm tired of people saying religion is the cause of something. It is the people who live in this world that make decisions, and we all have to realize that every person is an individual with their own problems, desires and beliefs. Therefore, we will have disagreements. Anyone who blames religion is hypocritical. Everyone is hypocritical, just as an FYI.

  • @GhostlyBagel I have no response to you, I just like your name. Thought you should know.

  • Religion is like a history class! We learn from mistakes

  • why would this have more views than other crap on youtube

  • @brandon9966 because it, unlike the "other crap on youtube", actually has something noteworthy to say.

  • @Tirisfalen302033 religion? 

  • There is no better place to look than at the Roman Catholic church to prove how brainwashed people are by religion. For whatever reason, catholics seem to be able to tolerate the molestation of children by priests as a "few bad apples." We would NEVER tolerate that if it were teachers, police officers, politicians. Only one of them, and most people would advocate throwing them behind bars for decades.

  • The word "religion" is derived from the Greek word "religios" which means "to realize". Hitchens abuses the concept of religion and confuses it with DOGMA. Dogma that arises out of culture instead of scripture is most certainly harmful.

    You can't "realize" error ... error is misunderstanding. Realization(religion) is a good thing. If you want to know about the book - read the book - resting on other persons interpretation of the book is dishonest. Abusing the word religion doesn't help you KNOW.

  • @freemanalan1

    C'mon man, you must know that Hitchens is perfectly aware of his choice of words, what he means by his use of the word religion, and that he isn't abusing anything (except the odd bottle of whiskey). Semantically you may be correct, but nowadays the word religion is commonly understood as describing organized religious dogma.

  • I believe in God .. I'm Catholic but quite casual .. .the God I believe in is a laid back kinda guy that I'd love to sit down and hve a beer with.

  • Wow, what a completely absurd over-simplification.

    So territorialism, economics, political oppression, paranioa, xenophobia, racism, none of these are causes for the shit storm in the middle east. Nope, all about believing in God.

    Thanks for clearing it all up.

  • Faith is pure, religion is corrupted

  • STUPID FUCKER, GOD IS REAL.

  • @im2cool4you4sure no hes not, religion is a story to make people feel at peace, religion is corrupt

  • @im2cool4you4sure prove it

  • @im2cool4you4sure prove it

  • This guy is just an asshole. e just intellectually insults religious people and some of what he says is just wrong factually.

  • Wow this guy is a biased douche....I'm not athiest or religious...but i mean you can bring out a normal christian and a normal athiest and have a good debate, this guy is just talking because he has no one to oppose him, or he doesn't listen to them at least, and as long as you don't go on public tv and shun "god" will they not teach it too your children, if your so great be the bigger peope and step down and trust your kids will be smart enough not to believe...

  • Wow this guy is a biased douche....I'm not athiest or religious...but i mean you can bring out a normal christian and a normal athiest and have a good debate, this guy is just talking because he has no one to oppose him, or he doesn't listen to them at least

  • george is such a good host. first time i havnt seen the host interupt hitchens

  • @ Gameboob what if i want my meaning in life to be torturing babies? there is moral framework in our world, we don't make up our own meaning for life

  • @sidthekid087 Interesting you bring up the torture of babies as a dangerous potential outcome to living WITHOUT god. Isn't it true that the genital mutilation community is almost exclusively religious? Hacking the foreskin or clitoris off of an unknowing, dependent, and defenseless infant, isn't something ANY sane and caring person would do. Unless they had religion. Unless they believed god wanted them saw away part of his creation.

  • I'm probably atheist but proponents of it such as this guy are such miserable bastards, meanwhile I love preachers and watching sermons and the notion of faith.

  • Why does Hitchens look so depressed? Could it be because what he's saying means that we don't really have a purpose for living?

  • @sidthekid087 He doesn't look depressed, you're projecting. But Hitchens is right, there is no cosmic meaning in life, just the meaning we make for ourselves.

  • @Gameboob I agree with this. However perhaps it is not belief in a god that is so detrimental as is the arrogance of those who purport to understand exclusively the "will" of God.

  • I'm doing just fine without the aid of a magical space carpenter, but thank you

  • people make wars, not religion.

  • @ericandude fail!

  • @adamsbeer let the good lord save your soul. Blessed is his name.

  • Very smart man. He's right. Religion has made countless wars. Hundreds of wars in the name of "God" and religion Vs. maybe 2 wars that have had athesists have started and/or part of. Not to mention all the kids that were/are being molested by priests that is being covered up by the Vatican. >.>

  • @allycatt90 if lets say, 10 percent of the population is athiest; then it only makes sense that 10 percent of wars are being fought by them, and since you claimed that 'hundreds' of wars were made in the name of 'God', i was wondering if you could list them. After you do list them, relate how those actions were justified in the Bible. Religion has helped people come back to life from drug addiction, help reunite families, and bring peace into the minds of violent criminals.

  • @ericandude

    No atheist ever waged war in the name of atheism. No atheist has ever been motivated by atheism to do anything, really. We don't have names for people who don't believe in the tooth fairy or the easter bunny and we don't need to call atheists "atheists". The fact is, a religious person can kill for god. An atheist can't kill for lack of belief in god. No atheist hopes for praise from the lack of god in the universe for their actions.

    That's the difference.

  • @Axe780 Obviously your lack of history and church attendance has a huge influence in your ignorance. Pol Pot, Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong and Kim Jon II, all atheist have murdered people because of their religion. In their hopes to spread atheism and their 'pure' society. Communism has been one of the most destructive forces on the this planet over the course of 100 years, perpetuated solely by atheist. While religion, in a broader sense has encouraged, charity, community, coming together and pce

  • @ericandude

    Obviously you don't see the difference between MOTIVATED BY and HAPPENS TO BE. They weren't attempting to spread atheism and, even if they were, that's not being motivated BY atheism, that's being motivated by hatred of religion (no, the two are not the same) and/or being motivated by power. Atheism does not have a doctrine to follow. You can't DO anything because atheism told you to because atheism is just lack of belief in something.

    I.E. ateapotist

  • @ericandude Actually they were motivated to spread communism. I don't think this point is even particularly controversial among historians.

  • Om Mani Padme Hum

    Just google it...

  • What an interesting time to be a Christian. :)

  • Hey BanglishBoy, try asking Jesus to reveal Himself to you. Is He the key to open the door to God?

  • @CEJM12345 Is there a seance that has to be performed? Do you have to shake some beads, circumsize your children, and believe in an apocalyptic messiah that may or may not like you, thus saving or destroying you? What a load of crap! Get Jesus to reveal himself to you....good grief. Do you still believe in Santa and the Tooth Fairy? Why don't we just get out of the dark ages, and free ourselves from dogma and live out our lives without a celestial dictatorship lording over us all....wake up!!!!

  • Thanks for the great video. I hope more people awaken to the truth about organized religion.

  • This guy is very close minded and ill informed about religion. He takes the worst examples of religious behavior to justify his own opinions.

  • @DawoodBC No he isn't, your just mad because he made actual sense. Why shouldn't he take the worst examples, they are still examples - its not like hes lying.

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  • search 'george carlin religion'

  • I have faith that humanity will grow out of religion soon!

  • so sad...

  • Jesus has had his day. I mean really 2010 years ago! Can't we move on? We've got money now! Do we really need anything else?

  • @CRISPIN4U we have science.. do we really need anything else, is what i think you meant.

  • @SKS4000: We never came from guerillas, we came from an ape like ancestor. Also, note for any theists that the bible is not a historical document but represents the tradition. We there are no original texts of the bible. I would recommend reading misquoting jesus by Bert Erman.

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  • @StandUpForCanada1867 I'm a jackass! :D

  • @Zeleon22 I don't get it. :) Seriously...

  • @StandUpForCanada1867 "anyone who is a friend of Dawkins is a jackass"

    "I'm a jackass :D" what's not to get?

  • @Zeleon22 OOOHHH. Sorry. What I should have said was, "I pity anyone who is a friend of Richard Dawkins." My apologies to you and anyone else who was offended by my original comment.

  • George S: "And here is the author of... etc, etc... Christopher Hitchens."

    Hitchy: "Got any whiskey?"

    George S: "... what is the thesis of your book?"

    Hitchy: "I like Jack Daniels... maybe a good sherry if you've got it..."

    George S: "Are you drunk?"

    Hitchy: "Only when I'm awake or sleeping."

  • i disagree on one thing i dont think god was invented so people wont be afraid of death. I think it was invented so people could be able to control other people and the reason this works is because the fear of death.

  • Ol' Hitchy had trouble focusing on Strombo's hand... almost missed it at the intro! Too much whiskey, Chris. Hope you're wearing your Depends, it doesn't look good when you piss yourself half-way through an interview.

    Not that the audience would notice, they're all stoned.

  • @SKS4000 dude calm the fuck down whats ur beef with atheists ya they attack religion but its not like its unfounded

  • I believe religion is insane, however the scientific development, that is the course the universe has taken, im not entirely sure that we are simply not just discovering how God made it.

  • The problem really is the lie that if we're good we go to heaven if we're bad we go to Hell. People need to read their bibles and not believe such a common but mistaken idea promoted by a world ruled by Satan (see 1John 5:19 and Rev 12:9). The truth is that there is no torturous Hell - instead Hell really means the Common Grave. Scriptures people don't know about Acts 2:31, and Rev 20:14 shed light on this. Think, seriously! why would God create humans just for us to die?

  • Religion is a disgusting sickness. This world needs to get well real soon!

  • @Allanfries people like Dawkins and Hitchens are breeding a culture of hate where respect for religious believers shouldn't be allowed. do you see anything wrong with this, especially since most of the population is religious? how does this line of thinking not create total civil disorder? we simply need to respect each others views and have civil intelligent discussions and learn from one another rather than completely "disregard anyone who doesn't believe what i believe!" it's immature.

  • @lightbrownpoop

    Everything you described Dawkins and Hitchens are breeding is EXACTLY WHAT RELIGION HAS BEEN DOING FOR CENTURIES!

    Religion has been creating civil disorder, a culture of hate and division between men since its inception. Even to this day religion does this, yet people still think its a good thing to believe in a non-existent God. Religion is for the lazy minded and the weak willed. Want all the answers to your questions? Its all in the bible/quran etc. How convenient.

  • Do you really want to know if there is a God ? Ask Him and see what happens! I am sure if there is a God, He is surely able to show you?

  • @CEJM12345 Hmm why is that this God, is always given as "him" couldnt it be a women? Anyway I asked if God wanted me to believe in him/her and there was no reply in 8 years so Im taking that as a definitive. "no"

  • @Allanfries And I suppose Atheism has done a great job in the former U.S.S.R. and the Czech Republic with all the wars they went through with Slovakia? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight...

  • go ahead have faith in shit written 2000 years ago to make you live in fear

  • Religions are BS. For centuries, they have divided mankind into different sects. Jeez were all the same!

  • @GodsS0N1 And the worst human disasters in history are caused by people who use religion for power and/or political agendas. Even Hitler (Who many Christians accuse of beign Atheist to justify how Atheism is bad) actually used Christianity to justify "cleansing" the Jews, despite not following the church. But then again, Musilini got in power with the support of the Pope, who in tern supported Hitler. It was by having the Pope in a fascist country that they went so far in swaying the people.

  • @MrBrotherofjesus

    in what way have they defeated their own logic? i don't think anywhere in the theory does it state that there is magic.

  • @MrBrotherofjesus and you are an ignorant close minded peon to a fairytale

  • @MrBrotherofjesus The belief that they're is no other possibility other than an intelligent omnipotent god is naive and ignorant.

  • @clgrnt no it's not. The fact that you insult people for their beliefs is.

  • @MrBrotherofjesus Maintain those delusions if you like, but all the same arguments you put fourth to deny science can be used to refute your god too. For example, I am the creator of the universe. I have created you, your god and your heavens as you see them as I saw fit. According to you based on what you've said already, I can make this claim and no one can deny it as truth.

  • It's not religion that is destroying us. Religion is just a symptom. Our egos are the real cause. Get rid of religion, and we would find some other reason to do harm.

  • @spaceheadsam Religion doesn't do us harm. Politics does us harm, the people who carry out the attacks just happen to be religious, but it all boils down to politics and hatered for other people's way of life. If anything I see more anti-religious people spewing hatred more than I've ever seen any reigious person, it's all you see onlne is people filled with hate putting people with faith or religioin down and being really, really nasty about it. Just look at this thread.

  • @Matlike1 People hate on religion because religious people act upon their beliefs, when was the last time you saw someone murder in the name of no one or come to your door and try and convert you to disbelief. Religion is an old, ignorant, archaic belief system that man put together when we knew even less than we do now. When people reject proven science because it contradicts their fanatical beliefs, that's ignorance.

  • @Matlike1 They just happen to be religious? Are you really that dense? You can't say that's all you see either, or that more atheists hating on religion than religious people damning the beliefs of others. You honestly expect people to not laugh at you when you say "it's all you see" when you're commenting on a video titled god is not great? Surprise surprise you found anti religious discussion.

  • @Matlike1

    The poeple that are religious supremists, mostly, atttack in the name of whoever they prey to.

    Just as an athiest cant say all religious people are bad, you cant go ahead saying that there are more athiests spreding hate then religious.

    think of it in terms of the wars and conflicts that have been created.From what i do know the vast majority of wars have been started because of religion.

    not putting religion down, just stating that many problems wuld be resolved without religion.

  • there is a difference between religous fanatics and those who are mainstream and believe in god. Religion does provide a moral bases for a lot of causes. Look at the abolitionist in the 19th century. they were christian. Martin luther king who led the civil rights movement, he was religious, he was a pastor even. Abraham lincoln, he was religious and frequently quoted bible. his most famous speech in 1958, he took a direct quote from christ, stating a house divide against itself cant stand

  • I'm not sure if you realize it, but you are in agreement with the Bible when you say that morality is ingrained and not learned.

    Very odd. Most atheists argue the reverse. They would argue that the different moral standards in other cultures stems from different learning, rather than rejecting morality. It really seems to me that you don't understand why your culture has the moral standards it has, and why they mirror christian morality to an ever lessening degree.

  • Sorry that was a response to the highest rated (and highly ignorant) comment. I am not used to this new youtube format as of yet.

  • @MrBrotherofjesus Why don't instead of changing the NOTHING part in the sentence, you change the "have dream us up into existence", cause you have to realize, if you think it's the only way we and other things could come to existence, then God also had to be dreamt up in order to exist, and again, and again. Why don't we go straight to us, we know we exist, and figure out honestly and sincerely how we came into existence. Science has already a lot to say about that

  • It's the people of faith that are going to bring this so called "Judgement Day" upon us. They're the most hateful ignorant people in the world. History has a tendency to repeat itself, and with a lot of great minds coming out against these fanatics expect to see another cleansing of the so-called heretics like what happened in the 3rd and 4th century. I really hope all the rational thinking individuals in the world are stocked up on bullets before this time comes, for the sake of the human race.

  • @MrBrotherofjesus 'dream us up into existance'? what do you mean by that?

  • @MyVoicenotSilenced just because this is your opinion doesn't make it true. give me an instance where the actual devil himself, not the heart of man, but the manifestation of evil, the devil, has done great evil.

  • @MyVoicenotSilenced Your quote: "I believe the devil encourages people to think hateful thoughts and I think he encourages people to be evil." Enough said!

    BTW... I got some land in Florida I wanna sell you ... cheap cheap!

  • Chris is an asshole.

  • @MyVoicenotSilenced Fucking Sheep! Sooo many fucking sheep!

  • @MrBrotherofjesus actually, 93% of scientists are atheist or agnostic. : D

  • @MyVoicenotSilenced The greatest evil lies within the hearts of man.

    Not the devil.

  • there is be a day that every knee shall bow

  • Speak the truth!! its about time someone spoke out against this anciently outdated fucked up belief system which has no place in a modern day society!

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  • So, Christopher doesn't realize that the human race is only about 6000 years old then. It's funny cause he even hinted at it being right under his nose. The reason that the "idea" of heaven didn't appear until about 5900 years ago, as he says, is perhaps because Adam and Eve weren't booted from the Eden until about 100 years after creation. Overall Mr. Hitchens seems quite ill-informed, but not Unintelligent.

  • @iamabanana321 You're joking right? You take the bible as fact? Adam and eve is a fucking story. Get it through your head man.

  • @MyVoicenotSilenced ty for sharing that. I wish somone had explained it like that to me before. I will read the bible again only this time i will skip the nasty immoral bits, overlook the contradictions, ignore that it seems to be the work of bronze age men based on bronze age knowledge of the world,and no matter what i will not ask questions, i will just accept it. Do you think this will help?

  • @MrBrotherofjesus cult rhetoric never ceases to amaze me.

  • @MrBrotherofjesus

    lmao, science just created life. look it up, synthetic living cells have been created from a bunch of chemicals and random crap. yes, science can play "god".

  • Its interesting, I always see the highest rated comments on these kinds of video on Youtube being Atheistic in nature, and yet we only make up a teeny tiny fraction of the worlds population...Somethings gotta give. Time to come out of the closet, brothers and sisters, the world has lived under the dogmas of ancient books of mysticism for FAR too long.

  • @tipoomaster I tend to believe that there are far more free thinkers than theists in the world...we're just lied to about it.

  • @a3gregjockca lol why are u so angry i dont care what u believe

  • @a3gregjockca okay suit yourself but if there is no God than your life has no value

  • @santanajosue who says that if there is no god then life has no value? ohhhh that's right. The cult taking your money and filling your head with fantasy every Sunday.

  • 'As long as you don't teach it to my children' My sentiments exactly.

  • I wonder if jesus was actually satan kicked from heaven, and used his tongue to change people to follow his ways because he knew how gullible a lot of people are that the bible and all branches of, are actually the careful preachings of the devil himself :p

  • I wonder if Ghandi is in hell, despite the fact that he rejected Jesus and stated Jesus is not the ONLY way to GOD's presence.

  • GOD is GREAT, People are fucked up, You can think whatever you want, God will judge you when u'r done

  • @Olsi89 you havent been laid in a lonnnnngggggg time have you????

  • @Olsi89 dont cuss and back up god lol

  • While you watch this, keep in mind the worlds rulers, the elites, all worship Satan. Bush, Clintons, The Rothchilds. LOOK IT UP.

  • straight up have u ever seen some1 get an eternal jail sentence for stealing an apple? all sins are considered equily sinful and all punished by hellfire for ETERNITY, the crime doesnt fit the punishement even if the crime was murder 10 years of hellfire would cure u from wanting to go back there and hurt peole...

  • It's amazing how dumb everyone is...

  • I'm an Atheist, but Ive noticed that like 80% of other Atheist, or Satanist always look like miserable assholes...

  • "Conquered people(s) pray to the gods of their conquerors" ~Immortal Technique

    ^^^If that quote doesn't summarize the BULLSHIT nature of religion, I don't know what else does.

  • Look at this usher try to steer Hitchens' thoughts in his own pattern.

  • In my opinion not understanding everything point that they are trying to make... "Morality is when you believe you have the answers... Reality is when you believe that "God" has the answers... TRUE

  • no if you need somthing else to define morality in your life, then you are not a moral person, if the only reason you dont run around rapeing , and murdering is because god told you not to with threat of eternal torture, you are not a moral person. If you do not harm others for no other reason other than you dont want too, then you are a moral person.

  • Hitchens explained it the exact same way, why don't people understand this?

  • @groovyengineer that's not true at all. Get your facts straight and quit being a holier than thou jerk and putting everyone down for their beliefs.

  • @Matlike1 whats not true ? you think a bronze age book gives you a monopoly on morality ?

  • @Matlike1 What is not true?

  • @groovyengineer people have been defining morality for themselves since the beginning and have you not seen what has happened throughout history or even in our day? ever watch the news? is doesn't take a genius to figure out that the human heart is bent towards evil. humanity is tainted ever since they "defined what is good and evil". morality isn't subjective, my friend...no honest person live as though it is.

  • @lightbrownpoop Some human hearts yes, you dont take the low end stats and use it against the majority. The one bad apple in the barrel saying destroys this line of reasoning. The people you speak of ( news, history, ect) is not an argument for the state of humanity, you need only look at your own circle of friends to see that ,unless you are surrounded by deviants, they are social rejects, and have no place in the majority of people's lives they are outcasts. This has nothing to do with a god.

  • Also the reasons Muslims don't have a problem with there Quran is bc They have been re-editing and rewriting it over again

  • 1. Morality and Christianity walk hand in hand but does that mean if you an atheist you aren't moral? No but the question is if your an atheist why would you be? If there's no higher power then what are you holding yourselves to? But you can't deny there are morals (example rape is wrong) but where did these morals come from?

  • @groovyengineer i could not re find my post, i herd it explained this way once. Lets say God created gravity, and then some other people made a bridge, and then this guy having a bad day wanted to jump off to his death and he does it. do you blame God for making Gravity? or the bridge makers for making it? or the guy for jumping?

  • @masterj22 the guy for jumpingï