@seebird21 I believe Alex Klein studied american style playing and he is currently the MOST RECENT winner of the Geneva competition making him the world's most renowned oboist. American style still has the champion heavyweight belt of oboe playing.
it's not HORRIBLE. it's EUROPEAN. they're pitched at 445, person. it's going to sound way brighter. any good oboist can appreciate this sound and still see how much musicality and brilliance there is behind it. john mack is fabulous as well as nancy, but they learned from masters like this. marcel tabuteau, duh.
The only recording of Holliger I have is the Henze double concerto for oboe and harp, a pretty modern piece and difficult to listen to (for me anyways, anyone else heard it?). It's really refreshing to hear him play this beautiful Bach piece. It's quite a contrast.
Seebird, you clearly did not read my comment very thoroughly. Based on the region Holliger is from, his tone quality is acceptable in said region (Europe). If he were to play in an American orchestra, it wouldn't work. That kind of tone is not accepted. I'm not saying his tone is horrible or that one type of oboe tone quality is better than another. You Holliger fans shouldn't be so defensive. He's great. Just accept that not everyone will love him or his playing.
anyway...just think like this...can you do what he can do to the oboe?...or anyone else in america or else were in the world?...can anyone achive things that he achived?....holliger performed in america many times....and well appreciated....and well accepted...his musicality will never been equalled....he is the best oboist there is,the best oboist there was and the best oboist that there will be.....
That's fabulous that you think that. I completely disagree. What you find incredible about his playing, I find tasteless. Why? Because I can. Because I am a person who can like or dislike whatever he wants.
All I can say is this: Heinz Holliger accomplished wonderful things in his playing abilities that not many can do and moved oboe playing forward in contemporary music.
maybe your tasteless....remember that tone quality as you know it will gone as you age..but musicality last a very long time....it will mature more as time goes by....personaly i love his intonation and musicality..sound is just an added ingredient...
Actually, without the sound, there is no oboe. GROW UP. Calling me tasteless because I don't like your "icon" is absolutely immature. Get off my ass already!
Holliger's "tone is too bright? Why does tone matter more than expression, intensity, interpretation, phrasing, articulation, sonority, musical insight?
Re. the Holliger/Mack comparison, over 100 composers have written music for Holliger, incl. Berio, Carter, Stockhausen, Lutaslowsky, Castiglioni. And for Mack? Who has influenced the oboe, and music history more?
To judge a musician by tone alone is to judge a person by skin color, hair or lips, disregarding substance. That's narrow-minded.
Holliger and Mack shouldn't be compared. But I do believe your argument is very weak. Holliger was more accessable to these composers, and with Holliger being in Europe, his tonal quality is acceptable in those various regions. Holliger has little influence over certain schools of oboe playing. Re. judging muicians being judged by tone color, how the hell is that comparable to racism? To each his own. If I hate someone's tone, I would deem it unlistenable TO ME. Doesn't mean I'm narrow minded.
para los que no saben este señor es un virtuso y no hay nadie mejor que el para ejecutar el oboe,asi que todos los comentarios que hagamos de el son pequeños a un lado se su virtuosidad.
para quien no sabe que obra es esta, es el Concierto para Violin y Oboe en Re m. BWV 1060 tambien está en Do m. Holliger es el mejor oboista de todos los tiempos.
agunos dicen que Heinz Holliguer no es bueno, para mi es el mejor, la musicalidad que expresa es infinita, algún día yo tocaré así... MAESTRO, ES USTED EL MEJOR!!
have to agree w/ dondon on this one. you know albrecht is actually one of holliger's students? so he is one of the best b/c he's LEARNING from THE best :D
Ein Meister der Oboe!
Lucas31991 5 months ago
Bel Canto!!!!
pohsiBRD 1 year ago
Is Holliger a great musician? Yes
Does he sound like a mosquito? Yes
SupermansDead93 1 year ago
@SupermansDead93
hehehehe...i didnt know u wer funny...hahahaha....
dondonoboe1 1 year ago
@seebird21 I believe Alex Klein studied american style playing and he is currently the MOST RECENT winner of the Geneva competition making him the world's most renowned oboist. American style still has the champion heavyweight belt of oboe playing.
DrSlinkyWW 2 years ago
Holliger's tone is absolutely horrible.. Listen to John Mack or Nancy Ambrose King...far better
platypusoboe 2 years ago
it's not HORRIBLE. it's EUROPEAN. they're pitched at 445, person. it's going to sound way brighter. any good oboist can appreciate this sound and still see how much musicality and brilliance there is behind it. john mack is fabulous as well as nancy, but they learned from masters like this. marcel tabuteau, duh.
blackninja14 1 year ago 2
@blackninja14
tabuteau was a european...
dondonoboe1 1 year ago
ah, but he changed the normal style of playing for an american appeal.
blackninja14 1 year ago
@platypusoboe Dr. King is amazing, but mack always sounds like hes muffled, maybe because his reeds were outrageously hard.
SupermansDead93 1 year ago
@platypusoboe
who are those people?...i dont know them..they are not oboists......they are clarinetist....(big round sound like a clarinet)..harharhar
dondonoboe1 1 year ago
The only recording of Holliger I have is the Henze double concerto for oboe and harp, a pretty modern piece and difficult to listen to (for me anyways, anyone else heard it?). It's really refreshing to hear him play this beautiful Bach piece. It's quite a contrast.
Joyboe1991 2 years ago
lol you guys think his tone is Bright? It's kinda dark for my taste personally. But his sound regardless is strong, clear and just.....beautiful.
And a lot of Oboe players, striving for their idea of a "dark" sound, just sound dead and have no resonance or clarity.
I want to listen to music....not mud.
SexyNerd4u 2 years ago
Seebird, you clearly did not read my comment very thoroughly. Based on the region Holliger is from, his tone quality is acceptable in said region (Europe). If he were to play in an American orchestra, it wouldn't work. That kind of tone is not accepted. I'm not saying his tone is horrible or that one type of oboe tone quality is better than another. You Holliger fans shouldn't be so defensive. He's great. Just accept that not everyone will love him or his playing.
TwelveToneRow 2 years ago
even in Europa's orchestras the Holliger's sound could be not acceptable, but......Who cares?
Go beyond, my dear....the music first of all
enricoboe 2 years ago
@TwelveToneRow
anyway...just think like this...can you do what he can do to the oboe?...or anyone else in america or else were in the world?...can anyone achive things that he achived?....holliger performed in america many times....and well appreciated....and well accepted...his musicality will never been equalled....he is the best oboist there is,the best oboist there was and the best oboist that there will be.....
dondonoboe1 1 year ago
@dondonoboe1
That's fabulous that you think that. I completely disagree. What you find incredible about his playing, I find tasteless. Why? Because I can. Because I am a person who can like or dislike whatever he wants.
All I can say is this: Heinz Holliger accomplished wonderful things in his playing abilities that not many can do and moved oboe playing forward in contemporary music.
TwelveToneRow 1 year ago
@TwelveToneRow
maybe your tasteless....remember that tone quality as you know it will gone as you age..but musicality last a very long time....it will mature more as time goes by....personaly i love his intonation and musicality..sound is just an added ingredient...
dondonoboe1 1 year ago
@dondonoboe1
Actually, without the sound, there is no oboe. GROW UP. Calling me tasteless because I don't like your "icon" is absolutely immature. Get off my ass already!
TwelveToneRow 1 year ago
Holliger's "tone is too bright? Why does tone matter more than expression, intensity, interpretation, phrasing, articulation, sonority, musical insight?
Re. the Holliger/Mack comparison, over 100 composers have written music for Holliger, incl. Berio, Carter, Stockhausen, Lutaslowsky, Castiglioni. And for Mack? Who has influenced the oboe, and music history more?
To judge a musician by tone alone is to judge a person by skin color, hair or lips, disregarding substance. That's narrow-minded.
chinalib57 2 years ago 2
Holliger and Mack shouldn't be compared. But I do believe your argument is very weak. Holliger was more accessable to these composers, and with Holliger being in Europe, his tonal quality is acceptable in those various regions. Holliger has little influence over certain schools of oboe playing. Re. judging muicians being judged by tone color, how the hell is that comparable to racism? To each his own. If I hate someone's tone, I would deem it unlistenable TO ME. Doesn't mean I'm narrow minded.
TwelveToneRow 2 years ago
@TwelveToneRow
hehehe...tone quality is nothing...achivement is something....not many oboist can do that....
dondonoboe1 1 year ago
para los que no saben este señor es un virtuso y no hay nadie mejor que el para ejecutar el oboe,asi que todos los comentarios que hagamos de el son pequeños a un lado se su virtuosidad.
gc
inypo 2 years ago
para quien no sabe que obra es esta, es el Concierto para Violin y Oboe en Re m. BWV 1060 tambien está en Do m. Holliger es el mejor oboista de todos los tiempos.
Victor88j 2 years ago
agunos dicen que Heinz Holliguer no es bueno, para mi es el mejor, la musicalidad que expresa es infinita, algún día yo tocaré así... MAESTRO, ES USTED EL MEJOR!!
Patohoven 2 years ago
what is this?? compositor???? some one can answer me???
defranz90 2 years ago
what about albrecht mayer
Foneio 2 years ago
mayer of berlin phil is very good....but holliger is the best..
dondonoboe1 2 years ago
have to agree w/ dondon on this one. you know albrecht is actually one of holliger's students? so he is one of the best b/c he's LEARNING from THE best :D
blackninja14 1 year ago
Bach, isn't it ?
Is Heinz Holliger the best oboist ? I don't know. I like him very much. But I also like Pierre Pierlot and Maurice Bourgues. :-)
desevrac 2 years ago
this music can always make me cry
RicardoPinxo 3 years ago
Someone forgot to mention Kyung-Wha Chung: not a bad fiddler either lol
marsvltor2 3 years ago 5
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he is a very good oboist he has the whole technical and musical thing down but he tone is very bright. i would say John Mack is the best oboist ever!
oboefreak316 3 years ago
@oboefreak316 Robert Bloom > John Mack
SupermansDead93 1 year ago
Thanks for uploading! :D Heinz Holliger is one of my idols :D I hope I can play these beautiful tones as he does one day ^^
Stravinsky91 3 years ago
Holliger è e resterà per sempre il più grande oboista di sempre!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ginopeppino 3 years ago
Great oboist with great viloinist
BlueJazzyClassic 3 years ago