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i) Sami asked for one verse where Jesus says he is Yahweh
Jesus does say he is Yahweh in John 8:58. "I am" is the basis for Yahweh as found in Exodus 3:10. This was not just saying "it's me", the Jews clearly interpreted what Jesus was saying because they wanted to stone him (See also John 5:18).
ii) Sami asked for a disciple how declares Jesus is God. Thomas clearly calls Jesus as Lord and God. Also, John refers to Jesus as God in John 1:1.
@marveymarker Almost all the biggest scholars of Bible have declared that JESUS was never God but a Messenger of God, Elam, Buzzard and other clearly have shown the facts that Jesus was NOT God and it is a later addition.
@flexpape If the 'facts' clearly show Jesus is not God, please share them for discussion.
The bible writers believed Jesus was God, as I have shown by my references. See also Jeremiah 23:5-6 and Isaiah:9:6 from the OT referring to the Christ as God.
@marveymarker The main stream problem is we just don't read History, Please watch them, Its a debate of A Christian vs a Muslim (i Respect this Christian Scholar) watch one by one.
brother who got angry ... please remain calm ... prophet Mohammed peace be upon him teach us to remain calm when we get angry "The strong is not the one who over comes the people by his strength. But the strong is the one who controls him while in anger."
See that's why I converted - 55:51 each is DISTINCT and each is fully God (he says) BUT he means each FULLY possess the ATTRIBUTES of diety (no real explanation)
Acts 14.11 The Gods have come down to us in the likeness of Men
James 1.17 Every gift and every PERFECT GIFT is from above, and COMES DOWN FROM THE FATHER of lights, with whom there is NO VARIATION or SHADOW or TURNING
Malachi 3.6 For I am the Lord, I DO NOT CHANGE ** look up the words change, variation, shadow and turning **
@iffitheking bwaaa ha ha are you kidding me ? he blocked me because he could defend the koran against what i was sayinfg tell him to unblock me ,, for debate ,,, go ahead tell him that i wish to debate him
Kabane was rapping, Sami was debating, Kabane hoped that by throwing 15 half-baked ideas in 15 seconds that it would make a cogent case for the nailed man-god,,,,cleary it DID NOT :)
hahaha this Kabane is very weak, intresting in the begining he asked not to use Quran then he begin to run to Quran :) , and I liked when in the begining he decided that he won the debate lol all what he did is very weak assumptions
Quran 19:30 : [Jesus] said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allah . He has given me the Scripture and MADE ME A PROPHET
Quran 19:35: [Jesus said], "And indeed, Allah is my Lord and your Lord, SO WORSHIP HIM. That is a straight path."
John 17:3 : And this is life eternal, that they might know thee THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. (it means to sent to a prophet)
It was an interesting debate. And this is coming from an atheist. Do the Gospel accounts support the trinity? After listening to this debate I would have to cede to Sami, if this belief was present at that time it certainly could have been declared more clearly. However the position that Jesus is a kind of divinity seems clear. Islam seems to demote Jesus to a prophet they give lip service to, but don't seem to use as a source of guidance.
@MsMrNoface- well we also give plenty of 'lip service' to Abraham, and Moses, and David etc; and we recognize them as prophets. Besides the fact that there seems to be little difference between what all of them taught, there is no little to no authentic teaching from Jesus in the bible. Even the epistle of James, who is a direct companion of Jesus, makes no difference between Jesus' teachings and the long-held Jewish traditions. Why should one give preference to other anonymous writings?
@Summadat I realize Muslim write off the gospels. I'm not one to defend them. I'm not a christian. I do find it curious that Allah could not protect the New Testament and Old Testament, but somehow we're supposed to believe the Quran has been preserved. It just doesn't seem logical.
@yosaw In 2nd Timothy 3:16-17 Christians are told that the texts are inspired by god and beneficial. Also weren't there lots of Islamic scriptures that were rejected in early Muslim history? How can you be so sure they through away the right ones? Especially given how the early Muslims turned on each other.
@MsMrNoface: It's basically all a matter of how the pagans translated the Hebrew and Aramaic texts of the Scriptures. It's not that the Scriptures are not the word of YHWH, it's the fact of whom translated them. These pagans even took out the real names of our Creator and our Mashiach and taught the trinity crap so that their pagan god "Jesus" aka "Zeus" would be worshiped. It's a horrible thing. Even I was blind before. I don't agree with Quran either though. You just have to search for truth.
@MsMrNoface: I'm a follower of Mashiach, and I will tell you and everyone that the muslims have it right. The gospels in NO WAY teach the trinity. This false man made doctrine has confused so many that people just end up throwing out the Scriptures because of it. Even back when I was a church going, pastor following, trinity believing (though I never could explain it) "christian", non of it made any sense. Then I prayed, and was led to the truth. Muslims are right. Theres no trinity. YHWH bless.
@MsMrNoface Lol but which bible would you use to support this divinity claim? the actual history of the bible needs to be studied before saying that Jesus was thought of as divine at his time, i.e. watch my video the "Truth About Jesus Christ by Abdur-Raheem Green".
@QuranTafseer I probably will get around to watching it, but forgive me for being suspicious that an Islamic source is going to be able to give a balanced assessment of the extent of corruption to the early texts of Christianity when your religion demands that any claim to divinity on the part of Jesus MUST BE WRONG. Frankly, I'd rather turn to a secular religious scholar who wouldn't have such a vested interest in one point of view or the other.
(John 1:18) No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known.
So nobody has ever seen God, but the God at the side of God the Father makes God known. hm. It seems that we have two divine persons, one sitting invisibly in Heaven (the Father), the other divine person on Earth making Him known. (the Son)
@KabaneTheChristian 18No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only,[a][b]who is at the Father's side, has made him known.
Thank you since the book of hebrews says JESUS is the exact; image and glory of the invisible God means that PEOPLE saw the GLORY of GOD who is jesus?
But NO ONE HAS EVER SEE GOD IN GLORY RIGHT./..lol
thank you for shooting yourself once again EXACTLY no one has seen GOD hence JESUS is not God since people saw JESUS. You are to easy
You are dumb. Hebrews 1 records God the Father saying to Jesus "YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER" John says that the God who is at the Father's side made the Father known. Who is the God at the Father's side?
Who is the God of the fathers side? Maybe it was the JEWS? who were called Gods in john 10:30? Maybe it was MOSES? Since jesus wasnt the only man called God by others? correct?
Besided I DONT ACCEPT A BOOK that came after JESUS who has no authore it could have been satan for all i know and you cant prove its not.
@KabaneTheChristian they debate wasn’t even OVER. No professional debater claim victory that’s for the audience to decide not the DEBATOR. You have BEEN smoked all your weak points which I was laughing about. IN FACT you failed to address all of the MAIN three challenges SAMI gave you and you conceded to the point JESUS NEVER SAID HE IS GOD.
Are you aware that I am captain of the debate team, and have placed in state tournaments? Everything I did was perfectly acceptable in professional and formal debate.
ROFL! A challenge, to be valid, must be justified. I challenge Sami to eat twelve bananas. If he doesn't, then Islam is false. Isn't that dumb? WELL HE DIDNT MEET THE CHALLENGE. it wouldn't matter, cause the challenge is irrelevant. Likewise, the foundations were knocked out from under his "challenge"
Or somthing this is not imporatant at all. WE ARE CHALLENGING THE FOUNDATION BELIEF ABOUT WHO JESUS IS. Thank you for comparing your JESUS to a BAnana..lol EXACTLY you cant meet the challenge Thank you. Thats defete In fact In the OT God explicitly confirms who he is. THE QURAN confirms Who Allah is. But strangly JESUS does not why?
You are a captain of a debate team? if i was your team mate i would really want to take over your position. Again you have made a very very poor anaology about the banana..lol You see we are not talking about somthing irrelevent.
@KabaneTheChristian Kabane all it takes is one Christian to realize that your points were so weak that they themselves were not satisfied so they insisted you bring john 10:30 what does that tell you?
Right you had Christian who say you slapped sami..YEH RIGHT there the same Christens that BLOW there own trumpet even though they get defeated abet like you’ll During the debate YOU CLAIM victory and
Actually, are you blind? He said I won. You should check out the link under my upload of this debate, where it shows numerous Muslims admitting that they were destroyed by Sam Shamoun...they had publicly claimed victory. Liars.
@KabaneTheChristian WHAT WHAT? Muslims claimed sam shamoun victory..looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
@KabaneTheChristian you were so badly smoked that you ran out of arguments in the NT of your bible that you tryed to use the Quran to prove divinity...looooooool
that funniest thing was KABANE made a agreement to brother sami not to bring the Quran into this, yet brother sami said I NEVER DO in this debate title so you have nothing to worry about. Yet KABANE when he ran out of weak arguments he uses the Quran...looooooooooooooool
Nope, I actually used a debate technique called "stacking". When I had finished defending my original arguments, I stacked additional arguments on top of them. This is a perfectly legitimate debate technique. Do you even know anything about formal debate? I have been doing it for four years in actual debate leagues and have placed first over six times.
I agreed not to debate the inspiration of the Quran. My statements did not touch its inspiration,.
1. The ability to discern or judge what is true, right, or lasting; insight.
Hence if jesus was called GODS wisdom, or GODS wisopdm in carnate.
Can simple mean: All Authority in heaven was given to JESUS to judge people by the wisdom God has given him on the earth. THis in NO WAY means that JESUS is God himself. Because jesus said i can of myself do nothing/ ETC ETC//
Jesus used the Aramaic phrase bar enash, while Numbers uses bar adam. The Aramaic is paralleled in Daniel 7's description of the bar enash who is worshiped by all nations.
We see Jesus' human nature, in which dwells the fullness of deity (Col 2.9), and we see the human nature energized by the divine nature, but we do not see the divine nature itself.
@KabaneTheChristian (1 Samuel 25:23)When Abigail saw David, she made haste, and alighted from the ass, and fell before David on her face, and bowed to the ground.’’
david was worshipped.
You Christians are pathetic the term Worship means to begg (Proscanayos) means to lick ones hand like a dog in mathew 15:25 thats why the NIV version has changed the word worship into '' she nelt down before jesus, like one would when they visit the queen of england..lol
@KabaneTheChristian You triniterians are so pathetic you go to the extent to even mistranslate verses from hebrew to english YOU GIVE jesus the Capital G for theos but you give small g to THEOS to others who share the same TITLE for GOD..lol
John 10:30 is the perfect example. You keep talking about jesus devine since he Gods name was used on jesus yet you change your stance for MOSES in exodus 7:1 elohim and same for the jews in john 10:30 your to easy
Elohim and theos are two different words, you know. Theos can be used with a definite article of one person to convey actual deity, or it can be used with the indefinite article to convey status.
The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and [d] will call him Immanuel. [e] 15 He will eat curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right.
Now correct me if I am wrong, but most Christian point to this verse to prove Jesus' prophecy. IT ALSO mentions his ignorance of write and wrong, as a child. How can God every be in a state of ignorance? There is no way around this, unless you presume the trinity as a excuse
confusion debate S for sami - K for Kabane S - Is Jesus God? K -Yes S -Is Jesus the Father? K NO S-Is the Father God? K- Yes S -Is The Father Jesus? K-No So these are 2 different persons? Yes And both are God? Yes S -Is the Holy Spirit God? K -Yes S- Is the Holy Spirit the Father or Jesus? K- No S- So Jesus is God, the Father is God, and the Holy Spirit is God? K-Yes S- And these are three different persons? k- Yes S.So you have three persons, each one is God, how many is that? 3
I went to the (Christian Kabana) video upload section of the debate and there are Christians telling him kabana that he should have used better verses to prove jesus divinity...loooooooooooooooool
HAHAHAHAHAHA You guys crack me up so much. There was ONE fellow who told me I should have used John 10:30, but that he thought I won anyway even without it.
Uh huh. You spoke to some anonymous Christians who said Zaatari won. Right. I spoke to some anonymous Christians as well who said Zaatari got slapped...in fact every single Christian I've spoken to said that.
Divine Wisdom is God, as I demonstrated. And Jesus claims to be Divine Wisdom, also demonstrated. Therefore Jesus claims to be God. And I also used the son of man and I AM arguments
Actually I said that Jesus never said "Ego eimi tou theos" (I am God), but He DID claim to be God
Luke 11:49. Jesus is divine Wisdom incarnate. The authors of the gospels have wisdom from God, but they are not Wisdom incarnate.
I'm done. You are simply too hard-headed to continue dialogue with. All of you need to take a hint from Shabir Ally and start using actual argumentation and scholarship. He is the only seriously respectable Muslim apologist I've seen.
@KabaneTheChristian Because of this, God in his wisdom said, 'I will send them prophets and apostles, some of whom they will kill and others they will persecute.'
Read John 14:16-17 (King James Version) 16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
The father is the wisdom who will send the prophets..:) your to easy
@KabaneTheChristian EXACTLY what did i tell everyone about 3 major segments have gone passed BETWEEN me and kabane yet he hasnt answered a single POINT i made from my first 5 points. This is the Christian Captain..lol
@KabaneTheChristian@KabaneTheChristian The desciples have wisdom from GOD?..llol Buyt there no Gods word in carnet? why not? SINCE AS HUMAN THEY REPRESENT GODS WORD WHY CANT THEY BE GODS WORD IN THE FLESH?
You see Like brother sami said< when you look at the bible with TRINITERIAN GLASSES you can intereprete verses as you wish.
@KabaneTheChristian Furthermore: Just like you misrepresnt WISDOM. You do the saem with THE WORD becoming flesh. The Word was God hence the word became flesh meaning the flesh is GOD..but this is the best bit jesus flesh died on thje cross? i thought the flesh is GOD? since the WORD became flesh and not spirit?
SO you believe in a GOD that Got killed? or a part of him God killed?
I'm not going to use John 10:30. I explained to the fellow who was complaining that I didn't use it that I didn't think it was a good argument for the deity of Jesus.
These double standards befuddle me. I was using perfectly legitimate rhetoric, rhetoric also employed by the very uploader of this video, Osama Abdullah, though I incorporate actual arguments into my rhetoric.
@KabaneTheChristian You see your a CHRSTIAN. ANd Christians LOVE dogging Question, i raised about 5 points before this DIOLOGUE debate yet they have ran away like the 4 legged chicken in leviticus ..;lol
And just in case you Christians say: the man side was strengthened?> well didnt Jesus have GOD in HIM? why didnt the God side strengthen jesus? This Proves jesus never had God in him hence: JESUS IS NOT GOD! end of story.
Why did jesus depend on a entity out side the body? He should have depended on his God nature? Or are you saying the spirit in Jesus has no strength?
@KabaneTheChristian That verse is an interpolation into the text. The earliest manuscripts do not contain it.
LOLOL
So you admit that the BIBLE HAS BEEN CURRUPTED?
Thank you can you also explain the 40 verses frown out of the NIV bible? Which bible was inspired the catholic canon or NIV canon? New jeruslam bible or KJV ?
@KabaneTheChristian'' Men of Israel, listen to me! Jesus the Nazorean was a man whom God sent to you with miracles, wonders, and signs as his credentials. These God worked through him in your midst, as you well know."
one simply ask the Question why is there a distinction between JESUS and GOD in this verse? if JESUS IS the GOD. or does it make sense if the verse reads GOD SENT GOD..looool
Because "God" in the New Testament as a personal name usually refers to the Father. God as a descriptive title can refer to the Father or the Son (such as Hebrews 1).
Yes, God did send God, because God is a plurality of persons. One person, who fully possesses the attributes of deity, sends another person, who also fully possesses the attributes of deity.
WHO authored book HEBREWS? KNOWN hence it could have been the devilhimself furthermore in the book of hebrews it is claimed that JESUS was less then the angels at one time?..
Can you explain this? or will you say angels were less then the man side? if so can you provide the verse where it explicitly says less then MAN side?
@KabaneTheChristian should always have wisdom since has has God from the begging the only way it will make sense is if Jesus didn’t have God in him, but Jesus later became a God over time,…lol
@KabaneTheChristian Kabane explain to me why you believe in the bible instead of a different holy book such as the hindu book or sikh book because there is no solid evidence for each of these books. watch ahmed deedats debate with jimmy swaggart. it disproves the bible. please look to a religion that has proof ie islam
Jimmy Swaggart is an idiot and a heretic. Ahmed was too afraid of debating actual apologists, so he always went for idiot preachers like Swaggart. I believe the Bible because of the reasons I have provided in over one hundred videos on my channel.
Quran 19:30 : [Jesus] said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allah . He has given me the Scripture and MADE ME A PROPHET
Quran 19:35: [Jesus said], "And indeed, Allah is my Lord and your Lord, SO WORSHIP HIM. That is a straight path."
John 17:3 : And this is life eternal, that they might know thee THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. (it means to sent to a prophet)
@KabaneTheChristian u can always say 'he is protestant & u do not share the same opinion/interpretation with him'. it is not necessary to call him idiot right of the bat. that make u look rude.
He is an idiot. Twice he pulled off the road and picked up a prostitute. Okay? Stop trying to make me defend Swaggart. Deedat beat him cause Swaggart's dumb.
@KabaneTheChristian whats the difference? roman catholic church have pedophilia case.
Somehow I got a funny feeling Jesus & the father doesn't want to be known to be trinity. That is why there is no direct mention of the doctrine. for the sake of argument, if trinity is true, wouldn't it be true that the Gods dont want to be known to be trinity coz it might cause divide among christianity. I think that is God wisdom to not to mention the trynity. yet the church still want to continue?
kaban shot himself yet again and said why is God silent about people worshiping Idols in our day and age? WELL HE IS NEVER SILENT READ THE Quran which is for all making:
[46:5] Who is farther astray than those who idolize beside GOD idols that can never respond to them until the Day of Resurrection, and are totally unaware of their worship?
kabana im sorry but your to easy..lool and by the way Jews were also called THEOS in John 10:30...looooooool
LOL silly christian shot himself. Being called truth means your are simply a truthful person nothing about divinity. Allah All-Might is called the MASTER OF THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT. Show me where jesus is called MALIKI YOMIDEEN in the Quran. MAster of the day of judgement? Kabana..lol
@alinodu93 Where did Jesus say I am the God the Son?
Did John Write His Gospel?
[John 21:24] This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true.
BEGOTEN ?hahaha Let us also look at Psalm 2:7 "....Jehovah had said onto me (David), thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee." Here in this verse we see that God not only called David his "Son", but also had made him his begotten Son !!!.
@alinodu93 Also, let us look at Jeremiah 31:9 "I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn." Ephraim in this verse means Israel. This verse is similar to Exodus 4:22.
Let us also look at Psalm 2:7 "....Jehovah had said onto me (David), thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee." Here in this verse we see that God not only called David his "Son", but also had made him his begotten Son !!
I just realized that although Kabane specifically mentioned that to stay on topic he wouldn't mention the prophet muhammad(SAW) or the qur'an he emphasized that jesus(as) is said to be such and such in the quran multiple times. And even tried to say you were ignoring the point...pretty deceitful and off topic.
lol Sami Zatari does it all the time, everytime he can not answer on the quran he starts talking about Christiannity and the Bible. So no double standards please.
@alinodu93 the problem though here is the debate was on the BIBLE. Kabane said in his opening statement that this debate is not about the Qur'an or the prophet Muhammad (SAW) so no one should bring it up.
@GrammatonChrist It is not about winning or losing. It is about having dialogue in a wisdom way to in light and show people the right path. You are counting a score in this world and as we Muslims we are scoring for hereafter. So it is up to people to choose whatever they want. If all mankind gather and try to show the light you won’t see it. It is only ALLAH who guides and shows the people the straight path. Sorry if I have offended you.
@GrammatonChrist assuming that i did lose, that shows Muslims are honest, that even if we lose a debate, we still post it, because we aren't cowards like your christian representatives who hide debates in which they got completely destroyed, so what's funny is that your supposed diss, was a compliment for Muslims, and an attack on your own fellow Christians! haha, nice one man, the holy spirit must really be proud of you.
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Mashallah brother Sami had won the debate! The kid that he was debating was extremely annoying.
MuslimPerspective786 2 months ago
i) Sami asked for one verse where Jesus says he is Yahweh
Jesus does say he is Yahweh in John 8:58. "I am" is the basis for Yahweh as found in Exodus 3:10. This was not just saying "it's me", the Jews clearly interpreted what Jesus was saying because they wanted to stone him (See also John 5:18).
ii) Sami asked for a disciple how declares Jesus is God. Thomas clearly calls Jesus as Lord and God. Also, John refers to Jesus as God in John 1:1.
marveymarker 6 months ago
@marveymarker Almost all the biggest scholars of Bible have declared that JESUS was never God but a Messenger of God, Elam, Buzzard and other clearly have shown the facts that Jesus was NOT God and it is a later addition.
flexpape 2 months ago
@flexpape If the 'facts' clearly show Jesus is not God, please share them for discussion.
The bible writers believed Jesus was God, as I have shown by my references. See also Jeremiah 23:5-6 and Isaiah:9:6 from the OT referring to the Christ as God.
marveymarker 2 months ago
@marveymarker The main stream problem is we just don't read History, Please watch them, Its a debate of A Christian vs a Muslim (i Respect this Christian Scholar) watch one by one.
watch?v=ExZ8hCbu3yE&feature=related
watch?v=bIlFp4fSrEU
Best Regards
flexpape 2 months ago
28:08 argument from the beard sami
MelonNun 11 months ago
the intro made me jizz, ok im done, shalam sorry about that
mylesbradley1234 1 year ago
ههههههههههههههههه معليش حسبتك تسلم علي
نسيت اني سلمت عليك
Verification11 1 year ago
brother who got angry ... please remain calm ... prophet Mohammed peace be upon him teach us to remain calm when we get angry "The strong is not the one who over comes the people by his strength. But the strong is the one who controls him while in anger."
Verification11 1 year ago
See that's why I converted - 55:51 each is DISTINCT and each is fully God (he says) BUT he means each FULLY possess the ATTRIBUTES of diety (no real explanation)
Acts 14.11 The Gods have come down to us in the likeness of Men
James 1.17 Every gift and every PERFECT GIFT is from above, and COMES DOWN FROM THE FATHER of lights, with whom there is NO VARIATION or SHADOW or TURNING
Malachi 3.6 For I am the Lord, I DO NOT CHANGE ** look up the words change, variation, shadow and turning **
mssquirrely 1 year ago
Muslims don't even believe Jesus is the Son of God when he said it himself. Muslims don't believe the NT so it is pointless.
MrEmeraldfusion 1 year ago
In just 1st ten minutes Sami won.... so I didn't watch the all
iffitheking 1 year ago
@iffitheking bwaaa ha ha are you kidding me ? he blocked me because he could defend the koran against what i was sayinfg tell him to unblock me ,, for debate ,,, go ahead tell him that i wish to debate him
lesterclaypool1 1 year ago
I was soooo close to ask a question but the debate ended - , -
DrXoz 1 year ago
sami is the winner
al7lm1 1 year ago
@al7lm1 off course i am, :D, lol.
SamiZaatari 1 year ago
Sami - the winner.
Sandzak95 1 year ago
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( Find out in my Profile )Who is Jesus?
1. God is All Knowing.....but Jesus was not
2. God is All Powerful.....but Jesus was not
3. God does not have a God.....but Jesus did have a God
4. God is an invisible spirit.....but Jesus was flesh and blood
5. No one is greater than God and no one can direct Him but Jesus acknowledged someone greater than himself
6- is Jesus only Son of God ? No , People can be children of God
wwwsultanorg 1 year ago
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( Find out in my Profile )Who is Jesus?
1. God is All Knowing.....but Jesus was not
2. God is All Powerful.....but Jesus was not
3. God does not have a God.....but Jesus did have a God
4. God is an invisible spirit.....but Jesus was flesh and blood
5. No one is greater than God and no one can direct Him but Jesus acknowledged someone greater than himself
6- is Jesus only Son of God ? No , People can be children of God
wwwsultanorg 1 year ago
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( Find out in my Profile )Who is Jesus?
1. God is All Knowing.....but Jesus was not
2. God is All Powerful.....but Jesus was not
3. God does not have a God.....but Jesus did have a God
4. God is an invisible spirit.....but Jesus was flesh and blood
5. No one is greater than God and no one can direct Him but Jesus acknowledged someone greater than himself
6- is Jesus only Son of God ? No , People can be children of God
wwwsultanorg 1 year ago
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( Find out in my Profile )Who is Jesus?
1. God is All Knowing.....but Jesus was not
2. God is All Powerful.....but Jesus was not
3. God does not have a God.....but Jesus did have a God
4. God is an invisible spirit.....but Jesus was flesh and blood
5. No one is greater than God and no one can direct Him but Jesus acknowledged someone greater than himself
6- is Jesus only Son of God ? No , People can be children of God
wwwsultanorg 1 year ago
I thought the debate was: "Is Jesus God ACCORDING TO THE 4 GOSPELS"
Why is he using other Books then? LOL this KabaneTheChristian guy is the real Hypocrite with his nonsense
BeholderGuard 1 year ago 2
This KabaneTheChristian guy BLOCKED me after I cornered him with ONE VERSE: John 17:3.....
If only Sami had known...
LOOOOOOOOOOL :P
BeholderGuard 1 year ago
@BeholderGuard John 17:3
"This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
indeed Jesus is Prophet from God
ACroomonline 1 year ago 3
@ACroomonline
Indeed :)
Jazak Allahu Kheir
BeholderGuard 1 year ago
27:44
"Fully FAT and Fully THIN at the same time"
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL :P
SamiZaatari we love you :PPP
BeholderGuard 1 year ago 2
so jesus was the father was the son was the holly spirt is this what he trying to say
TRUTHBOXNEWS 1 year ago 3
MashaAllah ,may Allah bless brother Sami,
JazzakAllah
fatibicool 1 year ago
Kabane was rapping, Sami was debating, Kabane hoped that by throwing 15 half-baked ideas in 15 seconds that it would make a cogent case for the nailed man-god,,,,cleary it DID NOT :)
am1984ine 1 year ago 2
hahaha this Kabane is very weak, intresting in the begining he asked not to use Quran then he begin to run to Quran :) , and I liked when in the begining he decided that he won the debate lol all what he did is very weak assumptions
23focus24 1 year ago 11
@23focus24 yeah, that was funny.
SamiZaatari 1 year ago
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" Then JESUS came to them and said, "ALL AUTHORITY in heaven and on earth has been given to me. "
" Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the FATHER and of the SON and of the HOLY SPIRIT. "
" And teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you ALWAYS, to the VERY END OF THE AGE. "
- Matthew 28: 18-20
doyanrujak 1 year ago 8
Jesus is not god . Jesus is the messenger of god
Quran 19:30 : [Jesus] said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allah . He has given me the Scripture and MADE ME A PROPHET
Quran 19:35: [Jesus said], "And indeed, Allah is my Lord and your Lord, SO WORSHIP HIM. That is a straight path."
John 17:3 : And this is life eternal, that they might know thee THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. (it means to sent to a prophet)
Jesus is not god . Jesus is the messenger of god
MrOEZahed 1 year ago
@MrOEZahed "[Jesus said]"
It is Isa, NOT Jesus who said whatever it is in Quran. Isa was not Jesus of Nazareth.
doyanrujak 1 year ago
@doyanrujak
Isa is jesus
but we say in arabic isa and english say jesus
isa = jesus
MrOEZahed 1 year ago
@MrOEZahed That's what you want. The name difference explains the difference between Islam and Christianity. Isa was/is not Jesus of Nazareth.
doyanrujak 1 year ago
@doyanrujak
you still don't get it
Isa = Jesus
MrOEZahed 1 year ago
@MrOEZahed why not, it's simple and clear.
abraham and ibrahim maybe similar, but isa and jesus, very different.
littlegank 1 year ago
@littlegank
will that's what trying to tell him but he doesn't get it
MrOEZahed 1 year ago
@MrOEZahed what is written in quran, isa or jesus?
different names, different persons, different stories.
it's the fact, it's clear.
doyanrujak 1 year ago
@doyanrujak
Are you on drugs or something?
BeholderGuard 1 year ago
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@BeholderGuard "Are you on drugs or something?"
Can you come up with any sane arguments? This is my favorite comment of this video from MsMrNoface (and he/she is not a Christian):
"Islam seems to demote Jesus to a prophet they give lip service to, but don't seem to use as a source of guidance."
- You just proved that he/she was right...
doyanrujak 1 year ago 2
@littlegank
Are you on drugs?
BeholderGuard 1 year ago
It was an interesting debate. And this is coming from an atheist. Do the Gospel accounts support the trinity? After listening to this debate I would have to cede to Sami, if this belief was present at that time it certainly could have been declared more clearly. However the position that Jesus is a kind of divinity seems clear. Islam seems to demote Jesus to a prophet they give lip service to, but don't seem to use as a source of guidance.
MsMrNoface 1 year ago 8
@MsMrNoface- well we also give plenty of 'lip service' to Abraham, and Moses, and David etc; and we recognize them as prophets. Besides the fact that there seems to be little difference between what all of them taught, there is no little to no authentic teaching from Jesus in the bible. Even the epistle of James, who is a direct companion of Jesus, makes no difference between Jesus' teachings and the long-held Jewish traditions. Why should one give preference to other anonymous writings?
Summadat 1 year ago
@Summadat I realize Muslim write off the gospels. I'm not one to defend them. I'm not a christian. I do find it curious that Allah could not protect the New Testament and Old Testament, but somehow we're supposed to believe the Quran has been preserved. It just doesn't seem logical.
MsMrNoface 1 year ago 2
@MsMrNoface well..... Has God promised Old and New Testament to be preserved?
yosaw 1 year ago
@yosaw In 2nd Timothy 3:16-17 Christians are told that the texts are inspired by god and beneficial. Also weren't there lots of Islamic scriptures that were rejected in early Muslim history? How can you be so sure they through away the right ones? Especially given how the early Muslims turned on each other.
MsMrNoface 1 year ago 5
@MsMrNoface: It's basically all a matter of how the pagans translated the Hebrew and Aramaic texts of the Scriptures. It's not that the Scriptures are not the word of YHWH, it's the fact of whom translated them. These pagans even took out the real names of our Creator and our Mashiach and taught the trinity crap so that their pagan god "Jesus" aka "Zeus" would be worshiped. It's a horrible thing. Even I was blind before. I don't agree with Quran either though. You just have to search for truth.
1jlady 1 year ago
@MsMrNoface: I'm a follower of Mashiach, and I will tell you and everyone that the muslims have it right. The gospels in NO WAY teach the trinity. This false man made doctrine has confused so many that people just end up throwing out the Scriptures because of it. Even back when I was a church going, pastor following, trinity believing (though I never could explain it) "christian", non of it made any sense. Then I prayed, and was led to the truth. Muslims are right. Theres no trinity. YHWH bless.
1jlady 1 year ago
@MsMrNoface Lol but which bible would you use to support this divinity claim? the actual history of the bible needs to be studied before saying that Jesus was thought of as divine at his time, i.e. watch my video the "Truth About Jesus Christ by Abdur-Raheem Green".
QuranTafseer 1 year ago
@QuranTafseer I probably will get around to watching it, but forgive me for being suspicious that an Islamic source is going to be able to give a balanced assessment of the extent of corruption to the early texts of Christianity when your religion demands that any claim to divinity on the part of Jesus MUST BE WRONG. Frankly, I'd rather turn to a secular religious scholar who wouldn't have such a vested interest in one point of view or the other.
MsMrNoface 1 year ago
@MsMrNoface Lol ok then watch Shabir Ally debate James white?
QuranTafseer 1 year ago
3 different separates unites doesn't mean the one same thing ...no matter how you tried to make it look acceptable ( period )
TheFreedomwings 1 year ago
Quran says God is Al Haq, Bible says Jesus is truth. Therefore Jesus is God.
Kebane is good, Jesus says only God is good. Therefore Kebane is God.
For there are four that bears record in heaven, The Father, The word, The Holy Ghost and Kebane. And this four are One.
tudungsenduk 1 year ago 2
@tudungsenduk hahahahahahha
looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
wwwsultanorg 1 year ago
@tudungsenduk hehehehehe
heeheh
hehehe
ACroomonline 1 year ago
About the word worship.
Kabane is pulling a fast one about the son of man should be worship. The word is PELACH which means "to pay reverence to".
tudungsenduk 1 year ago
KABANE..GOD GREW IN WISDOM meaning his wisdom wasnt the best but over time his wisdom GOT Better...lolooooooooooool
But wisdom is GOD right kabane you shot yourself BIG TIME where you going to run with this..lol
pamuk7 1 year ago
@pamuk7 You are a good muslim. I hpe you and allatu get on fine!
Putnis1 1 year ago
I want to debunk WISDOM POINT FURTHER:
Luke 2:52 (New International Version - UK)
52 And Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and men.
pamuk7 1 year ago
So who is this wisdom another God? beside JESUS?
pamuk7 1 year ago
rofl at 44:27
omgodsword 1 year ago
@ThePeaceMissile
And listen to the words spoken here:
(John 1:18) No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known.
So nobody has ever seen God, but the God at the side of God the Father makes God known. hm. It seems that we have two divine persons, one sitting invisibly in Heaven (the Father), the other divine person on Earth making Him known. (the Son)
This is not difficult.
KabaneTheChristian 1 year ago
@KabaneTheChristian
phil:2 The Son does not claim equality to God..????
Yet the Son and God are one? can you show me where jesus said the man side does not claim equality?
pamuk7 1 year ago
@KabaneTheChristian 18No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only,[a][b]who is at the Father's side, has made him known.
Thank you since the book of hebrews says JESUS is the exact; image and glory of the invisible God means that PEOPLE saw the GLORY of GOD who is jesus?
But NO ONE HAS EVER SEE GOD IN GLORY RIGHT./..lol
thank you for shooting yourself once again EXACTLY no one has seen GOD hence JESUS is not God since people saw JESUS. You are to easy
pamuk7 1 year ago
@pamuk7
You are dumb. Hebrews 1 records God the Father saying to Jesus "YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER" John says that the God who is at the Father's side made the Father known. Who is the God at the Father's side?
KabaneTheChristian 1 year ago
@KabaneTheChristian
Who is the God of the fathers side? Maybe it was the JEWS? who were called Gods in john 10:30? Maybe it was MOSES? Since jesus wasnt the only man called God by others? correct?
Besided I DONT ACCEPT A BOOK that came after JESUS who has no authore it could have been satan for all i know and you cant prove its not.
pamuk7 1 year ago
@KabaneTheChristian
further to answer hebrews 1" Psalms 45:6 "Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
this Mysterious gospel writer Maybe the devil himself was copying book of psalms but interstingly he added the word son or jesus..lol"
pamuk7 1 year ago
@KabaneTheChristian they debate wasn’t even OVER. No professional debater claim victory that’s for the audience to decide not the DEBATOR. You have BEEN smoked all your weak points which I was laughing about. IN FACT you failed to address all of the MAIN three challenges SAMI gave you and you conceded to the point JESUS NEVER SAID HE IS GOD.
pamuk7 1 year ago
@pamuk7
Are you aware that I am captain of the debate team, and have placed in state tournaments? Everything I did was perfectly acceptable in professional and formal debate.
ROFL! A challenge, to be valid, must be justified. I challenge Sami to eat twelve bananas. If he doesn't, then Islam is false. Isn't that dumb? WELL HE DIDNT MEET THE CHALLENGE. it wouldn't matter, cause the challenge is irrelevant. Likewise, the foundations were knocked out from under his "challenge"
KabaneTheChristian 1 year ago
Or somthing this is not imporatant at all. WE ARE CHALLENGING THE FOUNDATION BELIEF ABOUT WHO JESUS IS. Thank you for comparing your JESUS to a BAnana..lol EXACTLY you cant meet the challenge Thank you. Thats defete In fact In the OT God explicitly confirms who he is. THE QURAN confirms Who Allah is. But strangly JESUS does not why?
pamuk7 1 year ago
@KabaneTheChristian @KabaneTheChristian
You are a captain of a debate team? if i was your team mate i would really want to take over your position. Again you have made a very very poor anaology about the banana..lol You see we are not talking about somthing irrelevent.
pamuk7 1 year ago
@KabaneTheChristian Kabane all it takes is one Christian to realize that your points were so weak that they themselves were not satisfied so they insisted you bring john 10:30 what does that tell you?
Right you had Christian who say you slapped sami..YEH RIGHT there the same Christens that BLOW there own trumpet even though they get defeated abet like you’ll During the debate YOU CLAIM victory and
pamuk7 1 year ago
@pamuk7
Actually, are you blind? He said I won. You should check out the link under my upload of this debate, where it shows numerous Muslims admitting that they were destroyed by Sam Shamoun...they had publicly claimed victory. Liars.
KabaneTheChristian 1 year ago
@KabaneTheChristian WHAT WHAT? Muslims claimed sam shamoun victory..looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
OK ...lol
pamuk7 1 year ago
@KabaneTheChristian you were so badly smoked that you ran out of arguments in the NT of your bible that you tryed to use the Quran to prove divinity...looooooool
that funniest thing was KABANE made a agreement to brother sami not to bring the Quran into this, yet brother sami said I NEVER DO in this debate title so you have nothing to worry about. Yet KABANE when he ran out of weak arguments he uses the Quran...looooooooooooooool
pamuk7 1 year ago 2
@pamuk7
Nope, I actually used a debate technique called "stacking". When I had finished defending my original arguments, I stacked additional arguments on top of them. This is a perfectly legitimate debate technique. Do you even know anything about formal debate? I have been doing it for four years in actual debate leagues and have placed first over six times.
I agreed not to debate the inspiration of the Quran. My statements did not touch its inspiration,.
KabaneTheChristian 1 year ago
@KabaneTheChristian
PROVERBS 8 mentions a wisdom maybe this wisdom was jermiah? since he was created also before God layed the foundations of thje earth.
cant be jesus since the verse says:
When there were no depths I was brought forth,
hence Jesus wasnt eternal he was brought forth?
it also sats there will be queens who govern under jesus. UM.. jesus had no goverment or rule on the earth as a KING..lol
pamuk7 1 year ago
@KabaneTheChristian What does wisdom mean?
1. The ability to discern or judge what is true, right, or lasting; insight.
Hence if jesus was called GODS wisdom, or GODS wisopdm in carnate.
Can simple mean: All Authority in heaven was given to JESUS to judge people by the wisdom God has given him on the earth. THis in NO WAY means that JESUS is God himself. Because jesus said i can of myself do nothing/ ETC ETC//
pamuk7 1 year ago
@ThePeaceMissile
Jesus used the Aramaic phrase bar enash, while Numbers uses bar adam. The Aramaic is paralleled in Daniel 7's description of the bar enash who is worshiped by all nations.
We see Jesus' human nature, in which dwells the fullness of deity (Col 2.9), and we see the human nature energized by the divine nature, but we do not see the divine nature itself.
KabaneTheChristian 1 year ago
@KabaneTheChristian (1 Samuel 25:23)When Abigail saw David, she made haste, and alighted from the ass, and fell before David on her face, and bowed to the ground.’’
david was worshipped.
You Christians are pathetic the term Worship means to begg (Proscanayos) means to lick ones hand like a dog in mathew 15:25 thats why the NIV version has changed the word worship into '' she nelt down before jesus, like one would when they visit the queen of england..lol
pamuk7 1 year ago
@KabaneTheChristian You triniterians are so pathetic you go to the extent to even mistranslate verses from hebrew to english YOU GIVE jesus the Capital G for theos but you give small g to THEOS to others who share the same TITLE for GOD..lol
John 10:30 is the perfect example. You keep talking about jesus devine since he Gods name was used on jesus yet you change your stance for MOSES in exodus 7:1 elohim and same for the jews in john 10:30 your to easy
pamuk7 1 year ago
@pamuk7
Elohim and theos are two different words, you know. Theos can be used with a definite article of one person to convey actual deity, or it can be used with the indefinite article to convey status.
KabaneTheChristian 1 year ago
The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and [d] will call him Immanuel. [e] 15 He will eat curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right.
Now correct me if I am wrong, but most Christian point to this verse to prove Jesus' prophecy. IT ALSO mentions his ignorance of write and wrong, as a child. How can God every be in a state of ignorance? There is no way around this, unless you presume the trinity as a excuse
MrGrandDragon 1 year ago
I am Jesus and I'm not God. Question answered.
tinofpop90 1 year ago
I have a question.
Jesus, peace and blessings be upon him, was a carpenter right? So did Jesus (supposedly God/MAN) ever create any masterpieces?
MrGrandDragon 1 year ago
wwwsultanorg 1 year ago 16
@wwwsultanorg
they are actually dimensional forms of the same being.
that simple enough for you?
have a great day.
slikkwon 1 year ago
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wwwsultanorg 1 year ago
hahaha this is funny debate Kabane the Christian helping bro sami to proofing at Jesus NAVER was God hahahhahahhahaha
wwwsultanorg 1 year ago
I went to the (Christian Kabana) video upload section of the debate and there are Christians telling him kabana that he should have used better verses to prove jesus divinity...loooooooooooooooool
pamuk7 1 year ago 3
@pamuk7 hahahah bro what is better verses to prove jesus divinity in bible
...loooooooooooooooool
wwwsultanorg 1 year ago 2
@pamuk7
HAHAHAHAHAHA You guys crack me up so much. There was ONE fellow who told me I should have used John 10:30, but that he thought I won anyway even without it.
KabaneTheChristian 1 year ago
@KabaneTheChristian Actually you didnt win anything your whole argument was about wisdom of God that didnt prove anything..lol
Seriously i spoke to most Christian and you did a terrible job in fact you even admitted that JESUS never said he is God..lol\
John 10:30 i would personally humiliate you on right here right now if you wish..lol
pamuk7 1 year ago
@pamuk7
Uh huh. You spoke to some anonymous Christians who said Zaatari won. Right. I spoke to some anonymous Christians as well who said Zaatari got slapped...in fact every single Christian I've spoken to said that.
Divine Wisdom is God, as I demonstrated. And Jesus claims to be Divine Wisdom, also demonstrated. Therefore Jesus claims to be God. And I also used the son of man and I AM arguments
Actually I said that Jesus never said "Ego eimi tou theos" (I am God), but He DID claim to be God
KabaneTheChristian 1 year ago
@KabaneTheChristian show me where jesus said he is devine wisdom?
even if you do this doesnt prove anything, since it wouldnt be consider WRONG to say:
the 4 GOSPEL writers MATHEW, MARK,LUKE AND JOHN. Are ALL PEOPLE WITH DEVINE WISDOM SINCE THERE WORDS WERE FROM GOD CORRECT?
should we worship them WITH JESUS?
or are you saying THAT the 4 gospel writers HAVE NO DEVINE WISDOM...lol
you got killed..lol
pamuk7 1 year ago
@pamuk7
Luke 11:49. Jesus is divine Wisdom incarnate. The authors of the gospels have wisdom from God, but they are not Wisdom incarnate.
I'm done. You are simply too hard-headed to continue dialogue with. All of you need to take a hint from Shabir Ally and start using actual argumentation and scholarship. He is the only seriously respectable Muslim apologist I've seen.
KabaneTheChristian 1 year ago
@KabaneTheChristian Because of this, God in his wisdom said, 'I will send them prophets and apostles, some of whom they will kill and others they will persecute.'
Read John 14:16-17 (King James Version) 16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
The father is the wisdom who will send the prophets..:) your to easy
pamuk7 1 year ago
@KabaneTheChristian EXACTLY what did i tell everyone about 3 major segments have gone passed BETWEEN me and kabane yet he hasnt answered a single POINT i made from my first 5 points. This is the Christian Captain..lol
pamuk7 1 year ago
Let me Give you one simple example:
MOSES called Elohim Exodux 7:1
Mosed also Parted the water into TWO.
MOSES CALLED GOD AND PERMORED MIRACLE.
There i will start my OWN religion Called ELHOIM MOSES..lol
pamuk7 1 year ago
@KabaneTheChristian @KabaneTheChristian The desciples have wisdom from GOD?..llol Buyt there no Gods word in carnet? why not? SINCE AS HUMAN THEY REPRESENT GODS WORD WHY CANT THEY BE GODS WORD IN THE FLESH?
You see Like brother sami said< when you look at the bible with TRINITERIAN GLASSES you can intereprete verses as you wish.
pamuk7 1 year ago
@KabaneTheChristian Furthermore: Just like you misrepresnt WISDOM. You do the saem with THE WORD becoming flesh. The Word was God hence the word became flesh meaning the flesh is GOD..but this is the best bit jesus flesh died on thje cross? i thought the flesh is GOD? since the WORD became flesh and not spirit?
SO you believe in a GOD that Got killed? or a part of him God killed?
lol
pamuk7 1 year ago
@pamuk7
I'm not going to use John 10:30. I explained to the fellow who was complaining that I didn't use it that I didn't think it was a good argument for the deity of Jesus.
KabaneTheChristian 1 year ago
@KabaneTheChristian You seem to be stressed when you talk, while sami has patience. Maybe that makes you lose
xRottenCorpsexx 1 year ago
@xRottenCorpsexx
These double standards befuddle me. I was using perfectly legitimate rhetoric, rhetoric also employed by the very uploader of this video, Osama Abdullah, though I incorporate actual arguments into my rhetoric.
KabaneTheChristian 1 year ago
@KabaneTheChristian You see your a CHRSTIAN. ANd Christians LOVE dogging Question, i raised about 5 points before this DIOLOGUE debate yet they have ran away like the 4 legged chicken in leviticus ..;lol
pamuk7 1 year ago
And just in case you Christians say: the man side was strengthened?> well didnt Jesus have GOD in HIM? why didnt the God side strengthen jesus? This Proves jesus never had God in him hence: JESUS IS NOT GOD! end of story.
Why did jesus depend on a entity out side the body? He should have depended on his God nature? Or are you saying the spirit in Jesus has no strength?
pamuk7 1 year ago
@KabaneTheChristian @KabaneTheChristian Luke 22:43-44 (New International Version)
43An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him.
I will never believe the a ANGEL had to strengthen your god Jesus.
God has unlimited strength.
pamuk7 1 year ago
@pamuk7
That verse is an interpolation into the text. The earliest manuscripts do not contain it.
KabaneTheChristian 1 year ago
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@KabaneTheChristian That verse is an interpolation into the text. The earliest manuscripts do not contain it.
LOLOL
So you admit that the BIBLE HAS BEEN CURRUPTED?
Thank you can you also explain the 40 verses frown out of the NIV bible? Which bible was inspired the catholic canon or NIV canon? New jeruslam bible or KJV ?
AND KJV or NIV?
pamuk7 1 year ago 2
@pamuk7 hahahhahahahah hahhahah hahahha
wwwsultanorg 1 year ago
@KabaneTheChristian'' Men of Israel, listen to me! Jesus the Nazorean was a man whom God sent to you with miracles, wonders, and signs as his credentials. These God worked through him in your midst, as you well know."
[ Acts 2:22 ]
one simply ask the Question why is there a distinction between JESUS and GOD in this verse? if JESUS IS the GOD. or does it make sense if the verse reads GOD SENT GOD..looool
pamuk7 1 year ago
@pamuk7
Because "God" in the New Testament as a personal name usually refers to the Father. God as a descriptive title can refer to the Father or the Son (such as Hebrews 1).
Yes, God did send God, because God is a plurality of persons. One person, who fully possesses the attributes of deity, sends another person, who also fully possesses the attributes of deity.
These are terrible arguments.
KabaneTheChristian 1 year ago
@KabaneTheChristian you bringing HEBREWS 1?..lol
WHO authored book HEBREWS? KNOWN hence it could have been the devilhimself furthermore in the book of hebrews it is claimed that JESUS was less then the angels at one time?..
Can you explain this? or will you say angels were less then the man side? if so can you provide the verse where it explicitly says less then MAN side?
pamuk7 1 year ago
@pamuk7
Hebrews was accepted by men who personally knew the Apostles and sat at the angels feet.
ROFL. You have to read the whole Bible in context to understand it.
KabaneTheChristian 1 year ago
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@KabaneTheChristian Hebrews was accepted by men who personally knew the Apostles
Really what was this apostles name??..lol
Im waiting
pamuk7 1 year ago 3
@KabaneTheChristian should always have wisdom since has has God from the begging the only way it will make sense is if Jesus didn’t have God in him, but Jesus later became a God over time,…lol
pamuk7 1 year ago
(if jesus had God in him) why did jesus need to grow in wisdom since he has God in him all the time he shouldn’t need to grow in wosdom he
pamuk7 1 year ago
@KabaneTheChristian Kabane explain to me why you believe in the bible instead of a different holy book such as the hindu book or sikh book because there is no solid evidence for each of these books. watch ahmed deedats debate with jimmy swaggart. it disproves the bible. please look to a religion that has proof ie islam
cr4kerz 1 year ago
@cr4kerz
Jimmy Swaggart is an idiot and a heretic. Ahmed was too afraid of debating actual apologists, so he always went for idiot preachers like Swaggart. I believe the Bible because of the reasons I have provided in over one hundred videos on my channel.
KabaneTheChristian 1 year ago
@KabaneTheChristian calling your own brother in faith as idiot & heretic. that's a nice way to represent Christianity.
zieraq 1 year ago 3
@zieraq
But he is an idiot and a heretic. He is a Protestant. Protestants are heretics. Do you consider Shia Islam valid?
KabaneTheChristian 1 year ago
@KabaneTheChristian
Jesus is not god . Jesus is the messenger of god
Quran 19:30 : [Jesus] said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allah . He has given me the Scripture and MADE ME A PROPHET
Quran 19:35: [Jesus said], "And indeed, Allah is my Lord and your Lord, SO WORSHIP HIM. That is a straight path."
John 17:3 : And this is life eternal, that they might know thee THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. (it means to sent to a prophet)
MrOEZahed 1 year ago
@KabaneTheChristian u can always say 'he is protestant & u do not share the same opinion/interpretation with him'. it is not necessary to call him idiot right of the bat. that make u look rude.
zieraq 1 year ago
@zieraq
He is an idiot. Twice he pulled off the road and picked up a prostitute. Okay? Stop trying to make me defend Swaggart. Deedat beat him cause Swaggart's dumb.
KabaneTheChristian 1 year ago
@KabaneTheChristian whats the difference? roman catholic church have pedophilia case.
Somehow I got a funny feeling Jesus & the father doesn't want to be known to be trinity. That is why there is no direct mention of the doctrine. for the sake of argument, if trinity is true, wouldn't it be true that the Gods dont want to be known to be trinity coz it might cause divide among christianity. I think that is God wisdom to not to mention the trynity. yet the church still want to continue?
zieraq 1 year ago
I WANT TO FURTHER RESPOND TO KABANA POINTS:
pamuk7 1 year ago
kaban shot himself yet again and said why is God silent about people worshiping Idols in our day and age? WELL HE IS NEVER SILENT READ THE Quran which is for all making:
[46:5] Who is farther astray than those who idolize beside GOD idols that can never respond to them until the Day of Resurrection, and are totally unaware of their worship?
kabana im sorry but your to easy..lool and by the way Jews were also called THEOS in John 10:30...looooooool
pamuk7 1 year ago
Kaban said: Jesus is called al hak the truth so is Allah. therefore according to Quran jesus must be God?
This is very LOLOLOLOL.
So are we to conclude that ALL the other prophets of God of the bible are LIARS since they were not called AL HAK?
pamuk7 1 year ago
@pamuk7 ahahhahahhaaaaaaaaa I fell down from the chair from laughter...
wwwsultanorg 1 year ago
LOL silly christian shot himself. Being called truth means your are simply a truthful person nothing about divinity. Allah All-Might is called the MASTER OF THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT. Show me where jesus is called MALIKI YOMIDEEN in the Quran. MAster of the day of judgement? Kabana..lol
pamuk7 1 year ago
This kaban giy got 100% PVNED by sami..lol
he didnt meet any of sami challenges
1: Where did jesus say he is God.
2: where in bible God says IM HALF MAN HALF GOD. Explicit statments.
3: Where God said IM 3 in one or 1 in 3.
Allahu akabr
pamuk7 1 year ago
what is wisdom of God ? is it God ... wtf he is talking about
minovia2 1 year ago
@wwwsultanorg I left christianity for islam.
NoorminAllah 1 year ago 2
@NoorminAllah Masha Allah .May Allah reward you immensely
wwwsultanorg 1 year ago
Why does the christian sound so nervous, defensive, and angry?
NoorminAllah 1 year ago
@wwwsultanorg
People can be children of God by Adoption and love. But Jesus is the only BEGOTEN Son of God.
Your point 4 really made me laugh by the way you just have to read again the Gospel of John.
alinodu93 1 year ago
@alinodu93
You should not accept the word Son literally, because many Prophets and we people are called in the Bible also, sons and children of God.
Read Exodus 4:22. "And thou [Moses] shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn."
"People can be children of God; read Deuteronomy 14:1.
. "Ye are the children of the Lord your God."
Common people can also be called firstborn; read
If all are firstborn, what is Jesus then?
wwwsultanorg 1 year ago
@wwwsultanorg
I have a question for you. Did you read what i wrote ?
Do you know the difference between Begotten and And Adopted ?
And Psalm 2:7 is David anouncing the coming of the ONLY begotten Son of God, Jesus Christ.
alinodu93 1 year ago
@alinodu93 Look to this what shall i do to him hahah?
The term "Son of God", in the language of the bible, meant "pious person", nothing else. Hence,
Even David is called the begotten son of God:
"I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee." - Psalms 2:7
Begotten is past participle of beget hahaha , Does God was Pregnant ?
where in bible Adopted? in Jacob is God's son and firstborn:Exodus 4:22.
wwwsultanorg 1 year ago
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@alinodu93 Where did Jesus say I am the God the Son?
Did John Write His Gospel?
[John 21:24] This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true.
BEGOTEN ?hahaha Let us also look at Psalm 2:7 "....Jehovah had said onto me (David), thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee." Here in this verse we see that God not only called David his "Son", but also had made him his begotten Son !!!.
wwwsultanorg 1 year ago
@alinodu93 Also, let us look at Jeremiah 31:9 "I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn." Ephraim in this verse means Israel. This verse is similar to Exodus 4:22.
Let us also look at Psalm 2:7 "....Jehovah had said onto me (David), thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee." Here in this verse we see that God not only called David his "Son", but also had made him his begotten Son !!
wwwsultanorg 1 year ago
Sami rocks
xiaahmad 1 year ago 5
I just realized that although Kabane specifically mentioned that to stay on topic he wouldn't mention the prophet muhammad(SAW) or the qur'an he emphasized that jesus(as) is said to be such and such in the quran multiple times. And even tried to say you were ignoring the point...pretty deceitful and off topic.
frosama 1 year ago
@frosama
lol Sami Zatari does it all the time, everytime he can not answer on the quran he starts talking about Christiannity and the Bible. So no double standards please.
alinodu93 1 year ago
@alinodu93 the problem though here is the debate was on the BIBLE. Kabane said in his opening statement that this debate is not about the Qur'an or the prophet Muhammad (SAW) so no one should bring it up.
frosama 1 year ago
@frosama
I agree with you Frosama, i just say that you shoud say that to Zatari too. When he can not answer about the quran he always brings up the Bible.
But i agree with you, and he didnt need the quran to prove his point.
alinodu93 1 year ago
At the end of the day, declaring victory in the middle of a debate is a surefire way to lose it. That's what Kabane did. I win, you lose.
trelon5 1 year ago
this debate was uter failure on Islams part
aveyowyns 1 year ago
Its funny how Muslims uploaded this deabte when they clearly loss lol.
GrammatonChrist 1 year ago
@GrammatonChrist It is not about winning or losing. It is about having dialogue in a wisdom way to in light and show people the right path. You are counting a score in this world and as we Muslims we are scoring for hereafter. So it is up to people to choose whatever they want. If all mankind gather and try to show the light you won’t see it. It is only ALLAH who guides and shows the people the straight path. Sorry if I have offended you.
sambios 1 year ago
@GrammatonChrist assuming that i did lose, that shows Muslims are honest, that even if we lose a debate, we still post it, because we aren't cowards like your christian representatives who hide debates in which they got completely destroyed, so what's funny is that your supposed diss, was a compliment for Muslims, and an attack on your own fellow Christians! haha, nice one man, the holy spirit must really be proud of you.
SamiZaatari 1 year ago 5
@GrammatonChrist why would we want to hide the truth of the facts presented in the debate?
azalea411 1 year ago
@GrammatonChrist lose it ?
Debate name Is Jesus God ?
show me from this debate so clear without break dance hahah
Where in the bible did Jesus said iam god?
iam sure you just loser
Great