Michael O'Hanlon and Robert Kagan on This Week in Politics

[alanbalfe]

Without waiting on " this gigantic U.N. consensus" the reporter says XD. There was no consensus to be had, nothing to talk about. To make a consensus would be in contravention of the U.N. Charter and everyone knew it. The invasion of Iraq constitutes the unlawful use of force by one sovereign nation on another a.k.a. an act of INTERNATIONAL TERRORISM.

[Robguy66]

Darnnit - doesn't Russia know that only the US can attack sovereign nations.

[angel2901]

lol!

[GeTarHrO]

are you serious? hmm define sovereignty

[getplaning]

Now the media are revising the facts to manage public perception, just as they did with the fictional WMD in Iraq. Nearly every article and TV news segment in the neoconservative corporate media begins with accusations of Russian aggression, concealing the fact that the Georgian Army bombarded and invaded the capital of South Ossetia one full day before the first Russian even tank crossed the border. By the time the Russians arrived, the city was already in a shambles and thousands were dead.

[cvjucla3]

Did you see the Fareed Zakaria's GPS Sunday Program. CNN's Gen. Grange concludes that he thinks that the Russians may have prompted the Georgian attack by using South Ossetia proxies to attack Georgia first. Even foreign policy experts, Zbignew Brezinski and Richard Holbrooke, who have been friendly to Obama in the past, have portrayed Russia as the "bad guys." There views are not exactly what I have been reading in the newspapers. There seems to be a lack of continuity in the media right now.

[getplaning]

Russia deployed its tanks and troops to South Ossetia to save the lives of civilians and to reestablish the peace. It has no interest in annexing the former-Soviet country or in expanding its present borders.

Brzezinski and Holbrooke are veteran cold warriors. They are not bungling neocons like Feith and Rumsfeld. They know what they are doing and they are good at it. They have aligned themselves with the Obama camp and are preparing for the next big outbreak of global trouble-making.

[cvjucla3]

Obama was totally appropriate in his response. He was both evenhanded and fair with respect to the Russia/Georgia conflict. Obama's foreign policy approach is exactly what the international community has been clamoring from the U.S.: a fair and honest broker; not the Russians are the bad guys; or the Palestinians are the bad guys; or, I can only see things in black or white, which is the McCain, GOP, and certainly the Bush administration's approach.

[asdffd]

Fuck these two lying neocon assholes. Saddam killed a million people? I guess if you include the Iran/Iraq war he did. Then again, given that we sided with Iraq/Saddam during that war you could say the US helped to kill most of those million. Neocons routinely peddle lies and half truths- and our bullshit media never calls them on it.

[alanbalfe]

@asdffd Haha true, C'mon we overthrew a guy who killed a million people! What is the civilian death toll in Iraq at right now then. These guys are nuts. Kagan himself has even stated that he does not believe in multilateralism i.e. international diplomacy like the U.N. and that instead there ought to be a global hierarchy controlled by U.S. hegemony.

These "NeoCons" are about as close to Fascists as you can get.

[tonylee1973]

@alanbalfe what do these two clowns think we could do to stop russia from invadine georgie? are military is stretched so thin its beyond belief. odly enough i think bush knew this and pissed cheney and the cabal off by holding back.

[ho2cultcha]

how would we react if a country which is known for invading countries w/out real provocation were to set up nuclear weapons in mexico, just over the border? maybe if they did proper preparation in advance it would be okay? gimmeabreak...

[violageo]

Washington's bloody fingerprints are all over the invasion of South Ossetia. Georgia President Mikhail Saakashvili would never dream of launching a massive military attack unless he got explicit orders from his bosses at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.Saakashvili owes his entire political career to American power-brokers and US intelligence agencies. If he disobeyed them, he'd be gone in a fortnight.

[cvjucla3]

There is no condemnation whatsoever by the U.S. that Georgia started this conflict. Saakashvili was even warned by the U.S. to not engage the breakaway regions militarily prior to the conflict. And there is no reason that we should be pushing to put a missle defense shield in Poland to protect it from "rogue states," such as Iran. Iran is not going to attack Poland. This is very provocative behavior that the U.S. is engaging. The months cannot come sooner to get the Bush adm. out of office.

[cvjucla3]

Let me be clear. Russia's response was overkill, and it should pull back its forces from Georgia. But we have no moral ground to be so forceful in our condemnation of the Russians. O'Hanlon and Kagan are big time supporters of the Iraq War. And the notion that it is okay to invade another sovereign nation, Iraq, based on lies and deception because Saddam was a bad guy is preposterous. There were other dictators in the world committing acts of genocide where the U.S. did nothing about it.

[SgtMcCuddles]

the point is... russia invaded a country on their borders. the US invaded a country.. how far is iraq from the US? beyond hypocritical.

[driubi]

wow, lets see how many times we can blatantly lie in a 3 minute clip, huh?

[dudewithcomedy1]

americans are simply stupid

[trading7]

Great, two neocons to spew their hateful views.