Midget photographers have a difficult time photographing crowds so why keep relying on them Libya. Shouldn't we at least provide them with a step ladder?
This video from Al Jazeera in Doha Qatar illustrates the point
This massive event probably had as many as 19 people in attendance but the best shot the photographer gets is 11.
. if you want to become a farmer in libya, land, house, livestock, seed shall be given for free.5.free electricity for everyone in libya.6. the only reason libya is being attacked today is because gadaffi was making plans to turn away from the american dollar and price his oil in african gold. very smart
is gadaffi as bad as they say he is? some interesting facts about libya i just learned that might shock you.1. gadaffi said homes in libya are a human right. every person in libya has a house or apt for free.2. libyians earn more per capita then the british. when gadaffi took over they were the poorest and under gadaffi the way of life has improved ten fold.3. their bank is owned by the state and not by corporate bankers. thus, any loan given in libya is without interest
several hundreds men and women that celebrates Caddafi's fall - it is to small to be overwhwlming majority of 2-million Tripoly. Ooo.. I am stupid. Caddafi killed 2 mllions people in Tripoly and these several handreds guys are all that left in the whole city!
If you ask any normal person that lived in Libya, he would say he was living in heaven there. These so called "freedom fighters" are just NATO's puppets in spreading propaganda and lies about Gaddafi. He never killed anybody. Libya was a rich country, and Israel and USA didn't like that, so they wanted to steal it's wealth.
I find it funny how you kids call out that which you don't understand. You start trembling and call names when the truth is presented to you.
@vikingWindmill Oh, he never killed ANYBODY. He didn't hang anybody in the streets, he didn't kill when he invaded Chad, he didn't kill anybody in Tripoli, or Misratah, or Benghazi, or Dernah. No, it was HEAVEN. No voting, no parties, no freedom, no rights..nothing to worry about, besides how to please the "Brotherly Leader".
I just said he never killed anybody. The Zionists are just using the media to inspire hate through lies so they can go there and rape them for their oil. Gaddafi may have been in power for 40 years, but that doesn't mean he's evil. If people didn't have rights, a REAL uprising would have come to place, not a little group of delusional kids paid by NATO. It's funny how Gaddafi became evil all of a sudden, the most evil terrorist. You're just pathetic.
@vikingWindmill And what about the throngs of people waving tricolors in Benghazi? Nope. It's only the solid green flags that matter. This IS a real uprising. For one, there's the Berbers. A unique, ancient ethnic group that actually has their own alphabet and language, which they were forbidden from using under Gaddafi. Then there's the Islamist crowd in Dernah, who've also been treated like shit.
I find it pathetic and selfish how cowards like you who tremble at the slightest sound and look for a shadow in every corner wail and shriek about a conspiracy and FAIL to present actual proof that such a thing exists.
If Gaddafi is such a bad person tell me this - Why does he give all of Libyans FREE: electricity, water, HOUSE, I mean FREE! Each married couple get $50,000 for a home, if you want to farm: you get land, equipment, and seeds! Gas was 0.14 cents per gallon! Now, gas is $20 a gallon there! Gaddafi wanted to switch over to the African gold dinar, he has an oil rich country & 144 tons of gold!
@vikingWindmill "Yes, close my account because I speak the truth."
More like the opposite, quite frankly. Pulling out illogical fallacies out of your ass to make a really shitty point (kinda reminds me of Alex Jones. Man, I hate that guy.) does not equate to the truth you claim to be speaking off. So tell me, who should visit a doctor again, good sir?
@vikingWindmill You have a strange, twisted idea of what constitutes as 'truth'. You can't even prove it, but it doens't matter to you as lo9ng as you get to wail in the safety of your home.
@vikingWindmill So... that makes it perfectly acceptable that he tortured, killed and later AIR BOMBED people who vocalized their dissent??? Who spoke out against his mistreatment and suppression??? Of his denial of basic civil liberties to his people????
"Libyan activists erect memorial wall"O really?It'll take the all four sides of a skyscraper to list all the Black men,women and children in Libya brutally killed by racist Al-Qaeda and eastern Benghazi thugs,all paid to do so by NATO/Israel.I'll wait n see,but wont hold my breath for THAT 'memorial'.-smh
@Redfingers No,i'm not a 'bro' and no i'm not 'mad'.I don't expect anti African & anti black Arab terrorist racist in the pay of Israeli and NATO interest to memorialize the innocent victims of their savage slaughter of Black children in Africa but i do LOVE pointing out and underscoring their hypocrisy.And will continue to do so.
Where's 'the memorial wall' for all the people NATO and their Al-Qaeda storm troopers are murdering in Libya right now as they fall while fighting bravely against recolonization and imperialism?
@SunnasChariot o,ok,so the people that NATO and its rebels are murdering are 'nobodies' to you?Figures.You're another insane,pro one white world anti Black racist.
@yorubablk3 'NATO'S rebels'??? And where did I ever once suggest the Black Africans being killed are 'nobodies'??? You CLAIM that NATO and Al-Queda are murdering people in Libya against 'ecolonization and imperialism.' Can you prove that last part is happening or CAN'T you?
Figure I would hear such talk from someone who likely hasn't ever even set foot outside his state. I'm not denying Black Africans are being killed and certainly not approving. But what does THAT have to do with the video???
@yorubablk3 And I wouldn't talk about other people being 'insane'. You talk a great deal and very arrogantly, but FAIL to support your claims of 'recolonization and imperialism'.
@SunnasChariot Ok,dearheart,since you are in the USA please list and name,by country, which coalition of hostile anti American states would find acceptable to embargo,bomb,invade,take over by paying the Crips,the Bloods, the Mexican mafia,the KKK, the Italian Mafia and others armed gangs USA towns and cities and overthrow the government in Washington D.C.that u would consider 'liberating' ibn 'freedom' and not acts of both 'colonialism ' and 'imperialism'.I'm waiting.
@yorubablk3 How about this... you provide EVIDENCE that what you so confidently claim is true and I'll listen.
Until then, you are raving. You have NO authority to make these claims but hey, whatever gives you a feeling of superiority and makes you feel 'special'.
@SunnasChariot You posted that no one died resisting the the rebels and NATO and u want me to provide u evidence that they did? Just copy and paste VSMRK in your YouTube search field and go to his page.He's uploaded over 1,000 videos,many of them proving by documentation just that.Have fun.
@yorubablk3 Where did I ONCE SAY that no one died? YOU claim that NATO in a coordinated effort with the rebels, are specifically targeting and killing Black Africans. I don't deny Libyans have killed Black Africans. I'm denying that it's as you portray it.
And given the fact that the rebel fighters who have been leading the resistance against Gadhaffi have called that people DO NOT ENGAGE in reprisal/revenge attacks on suspected pro-Gaddaffi forces and the like, your argument loses weight.
@SunnasChariot "And given the fact that the rebel fighters who have been leading the resistance against Gadhaffi have called that people DO NOT ENGAGE in reprisal/revenge attacks on suspected pro-Gaddaffi forces and the like, your argument loses weight." Wow ... u sound just like the child on Christmas day who says to a skeptical friend "I know that Santa Claus brought these presents down the chimney.Mommy and Daddy said so!"
@yorubablk3 What I'm saying, is the fact that the rebels, the very people you INSIST are all terrible, are making a clear effort to reduce tragedy and violence in Libya . And by calling for such restraint , it shows a willing effort on part of a new government to show that they are NOT Gadaffi's regime.I'm not saying such a call would stop attacks. I'm saying that their language shows that such attacks will not be tolerated.
Really, your childish attacks only serve to prove your immaturity.
@SunnasChariot :Really? Ok,then.When some gangs in YOUR country take up arms and storm police stations and army bases in cohorts with hostile foreign powers,that have overwhelming military superiority over your country take stock of how u feel ..and if there is still internet service when it happens get on the internet and tell us all how it feels to have the US government removed,your city bombed by China,Cuba and Venezuela and your city taken over by armed gangs that they paid for.
@yorubablk3 ONLY IF my government were to take up arms against it's citizens and strip them of every basic civil and human right as guaranteed to us by our Constitution. ONLY IF our government broke international law and dropped bombs on it's people because they spoke out against the rampant, evident corruption and violation of basic civil liberties. ONLY IF every peaceful option had been tried. Which is what happened in Libya.
@SunnasChariot willful ignorance?Ever heard of the 1931 Mukden incident? When Japanese officers fabricated a pretext for annexing Manchuria by blowing up a section of railway. Six years later they falsely claimed the kidnapping of one of their soldiers in the Marco Polo Bridge Incident as an excuse to invade China proper.
@SunnasChariot or the Gleiwitz incident?On August 31, 1939, Reinhard Heydrich made use of fabricated evidence of a Polish attack against Germany to mobilize German public opinion and to fabricate a false justification for a war with Poland. This, along with other false flag operations in Operation Himmler, would be used to mobilize support from the German population for the start of World War II in Europe.
@SunnasChariot or the British-orchestrated 'Operation Ajax'? In 1953, the U.S. and British-orchestrated "false-flag" and propaganda operations against the formerly democratically elected leader of Iran, Mohammed Mosaddeq. Information regarding this CIA-sponsored coup d'etat has been largely declassified and is available in the CIA archives,if u need further proof,my dear.
@yorubablk3 You are just grasping at every single historical event and pointing to that as actual 'proof' that something is amiss in this case? REALLY????
I have enough tinfoil, thank you. I don't need you trying to sell it to me.
@SunnasChariot U wrote that you have " enough tinfoil, thank you. I don't need you trying to sell it to me"-that's about the most objectively honest post that you've made yet.Have fun making your hats.
@SunnasChariot I don't have a 'conspiracy theory'.It's quite clear that the USA had a hit list and quite openly said so under Reagan and Baby Bush that Libya was high on that list.It's common knowledge.Just Google it.
@yorubablk3 No, you haven't. You've deliberately avoided answering my more crucial questions; why should Gaddafi have been allowed to do such horrendous things to his own people and WHY should they not have acted to remove him? Because to you, it's more important to be 'stable and secure' than it is to be free.
You have a very strange idea of what 'stable' and 'secure' means' If it means surrendering your freedom and identity as a person... that's NOT a country I would want to live in.
@SunnasChariot It would've involved scenarios such as fabricating the hijacking or shooting down planes, sinking a U.S. ship in the vicinity of Cuba, burning crops, sinking a boat filled with Cuban refugees, attacks by alleged Cuban infiltrators inside the United States, & harassment of U.S. shipping & the destruction of aerial drones by aircraft disguised as Cuban MiGs.
@SunnasChariot okay, it official... you're an idiot with an opinion on something that didn't happen and who doesn't have the political discernment to access propaganda from facts.
@yorubablk3 i can prove it happened. I'm just not going to waste my time on a useless little snip who thinks she knows anything when the fact is SHE is the one buying into any propaganda that supports her fears and prejudices because she's too much of a coward to stare the world in the face.
@SunnasChariot Stop trying to deflect.My point was that their was no ariel bombardment.Not that there weren't state counter measures ,including the use of force to put down an armed rebellion that targeted the police and security forces.There most certainly were & should be as the first duty of ANY government is to keep the people safe.My further point is to point out the gross hypocrisy of ANY one claiming 'how horrible' ANY governments acts of state security r when ALL of them have & use them
@SunnasChariot Thats an opinion.Not a fact.Qadaffi was not your neighbor,he is part of a governing body of a state.He acted like all of them do when threatened by armed overthrow.If not,please name the leaders and countries where armed rebellion targeting national security and public safety are met with a shrug,sigh and a kiss from the leadership.Name just one.Thanks.
@yorubablk3 Judging from the number of people who actually LIVE in Libya who bore witness to such atrocities, I'd call it fact.
Look at vou, grasping at any thin straws you can because the facts scare you too much or they're inconvenient. Making faulty comparisons and dodging points. Typical of a coward who can't bring herself to care about others. You abandon any shred of compassion for your arrogance and feelings of self-importance to cover up your feelings of powerlessness and insecurity.
@SunnasChariot I do care about others.I care and identify with the millions of Libyans who support Qaddafi and the millions of other Africans all throughout the world whose lives were elevated and made whole and given hope for the future by the things the Libyan government were putting in place to help us all.Now the 700 year old racist global crusade to turn the planet earth into a colossal farm run by a small clique of rich white people is the greatest atrocity of all.
@yorubablk3 Right... so you're willing to overlook how he treats his own people as long as you get yours?
Because there is PROOF that he has oppressed and tyrannized his people. GADAFFI ordered aerial strikes on his people. GADAFFI ordered his troops to shoot and kill unarmed protestors. GADAFFI ADMITTED to arranging the Lockerbie bombing. GADAFFI had people treated like animals.
NO amount of what YOU see as 'good' will make all the truly abhorrent things he has done all right.
@SunnasChariot Right now there is a ariel bombardment of Libya,Afghanistan,Pakistan and Yemen.Their were many protest in Libya,unarmed that were not shot at and the ones that were later shot at were only shot at when they took up arms to overthrow the state.
@yorubablk3 But there were plenty of unarmed people who WERE shot at and killed. Is everything REALLY as you insist it is? Or WANT it to be?
Like it or not, believe it or not, not all governments have their people's best interests in mind. Some can be perfectly wonderful to other countries and treat their own people like crap if they believe it will be of service to them. That's how it is. And Gadaffi's government was definitely one of them.
@SunnasChariot It is stupid to believe that sharing the oil wealth of the nation with its people resulting in free health,homes and paid schooling is 'treating people like crap'.Stop projecting your own personal feelings about your own government onto Libya.
@yorubablk3 According to various reports, Gadaffi had access to the best healthcare and his own private clinic loaded with medicine and personal items, including Viagra. Meanwhile the hospital across from his compound didn't even have sheets for their beds.
Some great healthcare, huh> That makes EVERYTHING ELSE he does to his people acceptable?
@SunnasChariot Health care in libya:Patrt 1.Health care is provided to all citizens. Health, training, rehabilitation, education, housing, family issues, and disability and old-age benefits are all regulated by “Decision No. 111” (dated December 9, 1999) of the General People’s Committee on the Promulgation of the By-Law Enforcement Law No. 20 of 1998 on the Social Care Fund.
@SunnasChariot Part 2"Childhood immunization is almost universal. The clean water supply has increased, and sanitation has been improved. The country’s major hospitals are in Tripoli and Benghazi"
@SunnasChariot part 3.The health care system is not purely state-run, having very small private hospitals in some areas. In comparison to other states in the Middle East, the health status of the population is above average
You think that makes it okay?! If what you claim was even remotely true, then Gadaffi would NOT have been overthrown. You can blame NATO and outside forces all you want, but the fact remains that it was the LIBYAN PEOPLE THEMSELVES who rose up against him and told him they wouldn't put up with his actions anymore.
@SunnasChariot Now u have the gall to say that 'i'm naive' yet you're going to post to me that "If what you claim was even remotely true, then Gadaffi would NOT have been overthrown" while ignoring sanctions,sabotage,psychological warfare,terrorism and ariel bombardment from NATO as ..o 'incidental' to the campaign of 'regime change'.You're a very morally bankrupt person.But then again for those like u,what else is new?
@yorubablk3 Who are YOU to call me 'morally bankrupt' when you turn your nose to the reality that Gadaffi broke international law and violated people's basic human rights? HOW is that okay and WHY should such a man be supported??? That is the response of someone who is too afraid to do serious inner reflection. Blame your cowardice on others
Sanctions that Gadaffi brought on HIMSELF when he REFUSED to cooperate with the international community and heed the advise of ministers!
@SunnasChariot You are 'morally bankrupt' supporting means & methods of treason,armed rebellion and forign intervention in the hear and now that YOU wouldn't wish on yourself,your family or your own country.If u did?U wouldn't be on here,u'd be off & armed to a foreign embassy,consulate police station or army base near you!Hypocrite.
@yorubablk3 So you're saying that because I believe in a citizens right to defend themselves, that the people have a responsibility to take their destiny into their own hands. because I BELIEVE in justice, compassion, mercy and equality, because I believe that the rebels had the right to demand change and when the one person in their way refused to budge, is pushed out to make room for it, makes me 'morally bankrupt'?
Well, you're a coward. Clearly you'd rather live on your knees.
@SunnasChariot Justice,compassion,mercy and equality are NOT giant,globalist super powers forcing regime change on smaller weaker s ones.And no its not because u believe in those qualities,its because by your post you are a HYPOCRIITE to them
What i am is a Youtuber calling on a wider view and reminding all that there is more than just one version of events.I will continue to point that out.SunnasChariot
@yorubablk3 Would be better if it weren't so slanted and overflowing with disgusting praise of a man who lied abotu his infant daughter being killed in a raid nearly twenty years ago, when she was, in fact, ALIVE AND WELL in another town and in school.
What kind of man would lie about such a thing? The kind who wanted to get sympathy.
@SunnasChariot That is not true.EVERY one knows that his daughter was killed and that he adopted another daughter and gave her the name of the deceased one.We do this all over Africa.I suppose(but don't know) that Arabs do the same.What is typicol of a hypocrite like YOU tho,is u throwing this allegation out,while ignoring the 50,000 men women and children that have been murdered and( r still are being murdered) by NATO right NOW.
@yorubablk3 No, she wasn't killed. And most people in Libya didn't believe that she was killed, either. Go look it up yourself. She IS alive. Gadaffi lied.
You ONLY care about those people NOW because NATO is involved. You blame NATO but are so wrapped up in YOUR selfish pettiness that you would WILLINGLY turn a blind eye to Gadaffi's crimes against them because it makes you a false feeling of power. Because it's easier to blame them than hold Gadaffi accountable for what HE has done.
@SunnasChariot U wrote "No, she wasn't killed." Let me ask u.ARE YOU THE FATHER???.If not then state what U 'believe' not what 'is',ok?because that ALL that is,speculation and second guessing some one elses family as U DON'T KNOW.
@yorubablk3 I'm not second-guessing. There were reports and it was recently confirmed. It was the VERY FIRST public mention that she ever existed when Gadaffi claimed she was killed. He showed a picture of a dead baby and claimed it was his daughter.Google 'Gadaffi's daughter alive'. There are enough reports to point to her being alive.
@SunnasChariot I've already goggled this.The family stated what happened.She died and they readopted.Thats not the only adopted child they had.Now with the NATO campaign on going and the accompanying psych war,this is a deflection against not only the other Grandchildren and children of Qaddafi that HAVE been KILLED in the last months but a deflection away from all the children NATO is killing RIGHT NOW!As i said"If U r not the father,than shut up about that and protest the NATO childmurders now
@yorubablk3 Sorry, i don't buy it. it feels too off.
But you'll protect the man who has slaughtered thousands of his own people and is now hiding among his people instead of just handing himself over. If he's innocent, he can prove it. Hiding like he is only places others in danger,. If he really gave a damn, he would have handed himself over to give himself a chance to prove innocent of crimes against humanity and NOT further endanger his people by hiding among them.
@SunnasChariot You're such a full-o-shit hypocrite.'Qaddafi' is hiding'.I tell u what.U led the way.Post right here,right now,your actual first and last birth name,your address city and zip code.Upload a recent picture and your drivers license and display them on your YouTube page.
@SunnasChariot Are U 'hiding'?His country is being attacked by the most powerful forces on earth.Many people know where he is.But he's avoiding the enemy and thousands are helping him to do so.
@yorubablk3 'His' country is not being attacked so much as his regime. HE stands accused of crimes against humanity and HE brought this on himself when HE ordered the deaths of thousands of Libya's people.
But all YOU can do is sit there in arrogance and basically say he can commit whatever crimes against his people he wants, as long as YOU stand to benefit from his government in some way and as long as it's in 'defiance' of NATO, which is ALL that matters to you.
@yorubablk3 This person's account opened in April of this year. HOW reliable is this information?
Also, we are only seeing ONE PERSONS view of this. Is their view reflective of ALL Libyans? You clearly are only seeing what you WANT to see and won't look at anything else because it's too inconvenient .
@SunnasChariot Its not about their 'view' or what they 'think'.Its about recounting what did or did not happen based on a number of sources.I look at every thing,not just what i 'want to see'.
@yorubablk3 Then look at libyainmyheart4ever's Channel and and read what they say about this whole thing.
There are people who support him because he is all they know. They know of no other way under which to live. Even if he's the Devil himself, they KNOW him.
@yorubablk3 Then look at libyainmyheart4ever's Channel and read what they say abotu this whole thing. They are a Libyan and have lived under Gadaffi and they KNOW how it's been.
@SunnasChariot I don't deny or discount any of that.Do they rise 2 the level of NATO sponsored regime change by force?Only if Israel,the USA,the UK,France & others are similarly dealt with.Their are political,ethnic or religious minorities in those countries and victims of their overseas aggressions that have accounts that they feel would warrant 'regime change' in those countries.If those countries don't dissolve them selves than neither should Libya be made to do so at the point of a gun.
@yorubablk3 All other options were tried and failed. Diplomacy and reason were NOT going to work with Gadaffi and you KNOW this. He is not in his right mind.
The UK, France and the U.S. are by no means perfect. But you know what? In those countries, you can say what you want, walk out the door without fear of being stopped by government goons and there are ways for those minorities to make themselves heard and speak out. In places like Libya, they would be jailed, killed or disappear.
@SunnasChariot U're projecting again.I never posted that he can do 'anything'.I posted that he didn't Ariely bomb innocent protesters & provided sources on why i came to that conclusion..And like any government,he was putting down an armed rebellion when he 'ordered' anything.What matters to me is global,balance equality.justice and independence.
@SunnasChariot U wrote"The more you talk, the more you show yourself to be a raving lunatic".As if u could judge 'lunacy' LOL....stop projecting,dissembling and being a hypocrite.U aren't going to declare who and where u are,your going to continue to spout inane psych-war bullshit on the subject of Libya while ignoring the same tyrannical acts when committed by Israel,NATO and the USA.You're a shameless,full of shit and hypocritical .And the more u post me,the more i'm gonna call u out on it.
@yorubablk3 I noted something interesting; for all your bluster and raving, NOT ONCE do I read one bit of denial of the atrocities Gadaffi stands accused of.. You talk a great deal of all the 'good things' he's done, but aside from the aerial bombings, you never once deny that he's committed crimes against his people.
It seems like, you'll overlook those, as long as you benefit somehow. And with NATO involved, you have someone to blame, as long as it's not the person you profit from.
++ @SunnasChariot Well,Sherlock,looks like u found a 'clue'!No i'm not contesting that an embattled government faced with stopping an armed rebellion would or does use force in doing so.My point was the hypocrisy involved in making what was an internal problem a bases for NATO sponsored bombing,killing and regime change.When i see Israel invaded,bombed and dismantled by NATO or NATO countries dismantled by some other equally powerful global consortium than u won't be hearing from me.
@yorubablk3 This is NOT about Israel, so atop making it like it is.
Gadaffi was given EVERY opportunity to stop what he was doing and he rejected it. He brought this on himself, not caring about the cost in human life.
@SunnasChariot Palestinian and Lebanese lives are just as 'precious' as Libyan and Israeli lives.And this has EVERY thing to do with what countries,leaders and systems that are overthrown on one hand and which are coddled,protected and funded by NATO on the other.
@yorubablk3 Never said they weren't, but it is NOT pertinent to the discussion. We're talking abotu Libyan right now. You wanna whine about Israel, take it somewhere else. I have heard more whining, pissing and moaning about that issue than I care to think about.
Why shouldn't Gadaffi be held accountable? Those countries leaders, as they strand right now, are NOT being accused of crimes against humanity.
@SunnasChariot You're gonna here a LOT about NATO & USA Israeli Zionist cuddling as long as u choose to exchange post with me.Don't post 2 u as long as Israel routinely gets away with having weapons of mass destruction,disappearing opponents,occupying Palestine and invading neighboring countries,offenses that would call for 'regime change' if it were done by Libya or none NATO others, by the very same forces that want Qaddafi's hide?Fat chance!lol
@yorubablk3 You're constant use of netspeak leads me to take you less seriously, even as you take yourself TOO seriously. You've stylized yourself as some sort of 'expert' on the Middle East. News flash; watching the news does NOT make you and expert.
@SunnasChariot U wrote "Gadaffi was given EVERY opportunity to stop what he was doing and he rejected it. He brought this on himself, not caring about the cost in human life"interesting,as it is NATO that has every opportunity to diversify its 'punishments' but only focuses on rebellious countries that oppose its member states financial or political agenda,while ignoring Israel ,not caring about the cost in Palestinian,Lebanese,Iraqi or potentially Iranian life.
@yorubablk3 Dude, ENOUGH with the 'WAAAAHHH! It's ALL ISRAEL'S FAULT!' Just because they aren't doing what YOU THINK they should be doing in Israel does NOT mean people like Gadaffi should be ignored.
Libya is hardly alone in forcing regime change. Notice how since the Arab Spring began, that this is the FIRST time NATO has gotten involved. Tunisia and Egypt did it BY THEMSELVES. The Libyans could NOT do it alone and were being decimated by Gadaffi, who was showing increased irrationality.
@yorubablk3 The situations were VERY different. Libya is NOT Tunisia or Egypt. The structure is such that everything rested on Gadaffi's shoulders. He called ALL the shots and made all the calls. He didn't need anyone's approval or a consensus. The army and police were at his beck and call.
@yorubablk3 So you rail on and on about how 'evil' NATO is, how we shouldn't 'force change' on people; but if they bomb Israel and force the change there, suddenly they're the best thing ever. Which is it?
NOW who's the hypocrite? It was ALWAYS you, little girl.
The PEOPLE have to WANT change and be the ones to initiate it. There are growing signs that that's happening in Israel, the West Bank, everywhere. The Middle East is changing. I actually BELIEVE it can happen.
@SunnasChariot No i'm pointing out YOUR hypocrisy.You and i both know no one is going to do anything about israrl when it does what they'd overthrow some one else for even thinking to do.This is a cruel,unjust world that favors the strong over the weak.I thank Qaddafi for at lest trying to give the weak a voice in this world,and for hanging in their as long as he could.I'll always appreciate him for that.
@yorubablk3 Excuse me, YOU just revealed YOUR hypocrisy when it comes to NATO. You hate them because they aren't' doing what YOU WANT them to do and that's bomb Israel. Like THAT'S going to solve EVERYTHING. It WON'T.
In a recent speech, Gadaffi stated, "If they want a long battle, let it be long. If Libya burns, who can govern it? So let it burn."
He would sooner let Libya BURN before surrendering. He would let his people suffer and DIE before admitting defeat. Some leader.
@SunnasChariot I don't hate them for not doing what i want them to do!LOL.NATO is the armed global force of white supremcy.They are doing EXACTLY what they are supposed to do.I don't hate dogs because they bark or cats because they 'meow'.That's silly.I'm simply pointing out the reality behind their hypocritical pretentions to care for 'the humanitarian needs' inside targeted countries-as we both know they'll NEVER,ever turn their guns or bombs on Israel,the USA,the UK or any other such place.
I've pretty much stopped taking you seriously kid. Not that I ever really did. You've just ceased to be entertaining. Everything you've said, I've pretty much read before (though the 'white supremacy claim' is a new one) and NONE OF IT means a thing because that's all they are; unsupported theories thrown out there by losers on the web who think they 'get it' when I doubt any of you guys have any kind of education to lend great clout to your claims.
@SunnasChariot If u were being 'entertained' than u truly a loser.I do this for the written record and those that will read it.it could be u or some other jerk just like u.You're all predictable and the same.So keep living.You'll see whats next..Long live the al -Fatah revolution and the resistance to the recolonization of Africa!
@SunnasChariot You'r e sooo silly'!Libya IS burning.it's burning RIGHT NOW! NATO is setting it on fire as we post!His people are suffering and dieing RIGHT NOW in NATO's recolonization campaign.They've seen this before with Italy and they fought for 20 or so odd years.They'll fight longer if they have too now.They won't give up.Just like Jews don't.So stop being jealous.Your people are not the only ones with long historical memories .
@yorubablk3 Translation; you're not serious about this situation at all. You are a pathetic, loser troll who has no life and who cares nothing for the lives of others and spread popular conspiracy theory trash around like it's going out of style because you're too lazy and self-absorbed in your own meaningless existence to get up and make things happen because it's easier to just sit and whine endlessly like a spoiled brat.
Right. Jealous. Whatever makes you feel like you're special, kid.
@SunnasChariot No i'm not a Jew with a crazy mythology that links me & 'my people' to some 'special relationship' to the almighty invisible sky god.That's YOUR trip.Stop projecting.
@yorubablk3 Oh, how clever and creative of you to assume you know anything about me! Obviously, yo MUST have some super special powers that make you even MORE super special than you are now!
Oh, wait.. you don't. You're just some loser on the net trying to look important and who just reached a new depth in loserdom; by using 'Jew' as an insult. Lazy and pathetic. To say nothing of revealing your own prejudice.
@SunnasChariot And talking about ' projecting calling some one a '"pathetic, loser troll who has no life and who cares nothing for the lives of others"is autobiographical MUCH coming from you.
@yorubablk3 Gadaffi wasn't looking to 'give the weak a voice in this world', you naive fool. He USED the weak. He exploited them for his own gain for the sake of retaining his power. But facing that would be too much for you to deal with, so you ignore all that he's done to his own people in favor of clinging to your fantasy of this false image he carved of himself because of his superficial actions.
@SunnasChariot Their was nothing false or imaginary about bringing water from under the desert,providing free education for the those who wouldn't have it otherwise,healing us of our wounds for free or little cost or good jobs and good salaries for African workers.No its your duplicitous people that have used us.Qaddafi was with us.And we are with him.
@yorubablk3 And NONE OF THAT means a damned thing when you take into account the total absence of a fair justice system, a restricted press and people too afraid to speak out against the regime for fear of arrest.
As evidenced, majority of the Libyan people are NOT. THEY are the ones that count as THEY are tho ones who suffered under him.
He's done plenty for YOU, but what about for HIS OWN PEOPLE? Look at how he's treated THEM.
You think this revolution would have happened at ALL if the change wasn't WANTED by the Libyan [people? Are you their spokesperson? I don't profess to speak for them. It is simple observation by the fact that Gadaffi is in hiding and the NTC is now recognized as the governing body of Libya. So sorry if that reality is not to your liking.
@SunnasChariot You are silly.Why shouldn't he be 'hiding'aren't U?If not,and you're ready to come from behind your YouTube handle,as i said in an earlier post,u know what to do!
@yorubablk3 Big difference; I don't have an international arrest warrant on my head for crimes against humanity. I'm not the one looking to spend the rest of my pathetic life in prison after how cruelly I treated the people of my nation and I'm not the one using my people as human shields.
@SunnasChariot But you're an apologist for a global system of injustice.He's a revolutionary leader with a price on his head.He'll go the way of his leader Omar Mukhtar,victory or death.
@yorubablk3 Who are YOU to say 'no one is going to do anything about Israel'? I at least BELIEVE in a change and that it IS coming. I'm not a whiny quitter who gives up just because things look impossible. ANYTHING is possible if you are willing to work and fight for it.
And there are clear signs that change IS happening, if you bothered to look for it.
@SunnasChariot Israel will do what it has to do to survive.As long as it kisses the butts of its super power patrones and they remain as such then it will go their way.If not,then all beats are off and they'll have to face increasing calls for justice and recompense ffor all the evils they have done in Palestine and all over the world.
@yorubablk3 And for the record, let it be known that I am not happy about the situation in Israel, either. I think it's unfair but I'm not so stupid as to lay the blame on just ONE side. At the same time, I don't see that as any excuse to turn a blind eye to Gadaffi's actions.
I DO believe change, POSITIVE change, is happening in Israel. It's slow, but it is happening. I REALLY BELIEVE that we will see, in a few years time, a Palestinian state and many, many more positive changes in Israel.
@yorubablk3 Let's put it another way; for the last 40 years, Gadaffi is ALL these people have known. So naturally people are scared and unsure of something new.
But THOUSANDS of people have been killed or disappeared under Gadaffi's reign. Attempts to remove him have happened in the past and before now, they failed because people weren't as organized and unified as they are now. Do you think this would have been anywhere NEAR as successful if the Libyan people weren't a more unified front?
@SunnasChariot The levels of discontent in Libya,a secular socialist state that was pushing women's rights and direct democracy and a Pan African economic agenda that was also anti imperialist and anti Zionist was bound to above zero.Yet a don't think from the evidence i've seen that the majority of people wanted their country NATO bombed and thrust into the chaos of AL-qaeda inspired civil war.
@yorubablk3 Well, I don't think they wanted it, either. But given the option between that and continue living under a tyrants boot and the heavy price they have already paid over the last four decades, maybe they believed they had a better chance with NATO's bombs than with Gadaffi's troops, who WOULD be merciless.
@yorubablk3 Let me ask you; how many Libyans have posted a response to that one guys channel? According to one called 'libyainmyheart4ever, other Libyans 'are fed up with all of his crimes, craziness and carelessness about human lives'. They talk about how life is like under Gadaffi and off the horrors they witnessed, including seeing others die at the hands of Gadaffi forces.
How do you know the person posting isn't pushing their OWN propaganda? Of the two, who do you think would be believed?
@SunnasChariot U asked "how many Libyans have posted a response to that one guys channel?"I'd say about as many as pro Gaddafi posters have posted on their pages.
@SunnasChariot When the world is structured like a huge farm controlled by a small white elite it is right for the 'cows' and 'sheep' to act in their own interst of self preservation.Why follow 'international law' that says sheep should be in the slaughter house by 5?Africa needs to be free,self sufficient and self determined.That's the only international law worth observing.No matter what casual anti black racist like u say,do or think.
@yorubablk3 If YOUR government was treating you as sub-human, denying you your basic rights, made you afraid to leave the house, was restricting your access to information and all around made your life Hell, would YOU tolerate it?
How trustworthy is a leader who mistreats his own people while greasing the palms of other country leaders to gain allies? How worthy of praise is a man who, while he gives you 'hope', he denies freedom and dignity to his own people?
@SunnasChariotQ: If YOUR government was treating you as sub-human, denying you your basic rights, made you afraid to leave the house, was restricting your access to information and all around made your life Hell, would YOU tolerate it?A:I wouldn't call on foreign countries to invade my country,bomb my neighbors,give power to armed gangs or turn traitor under ANY circumstances.
@yorubablk3 In short, you would let the government walk all over you and treat you as they deem fit.
When the American Revolution happened, the colonists called upon the French, the Dutch and the Spanish to aid them in their fight against the British. You have a LOT of nerve to sit there and say that people who are oppressed by their government as the Libyan people were have no right to defend themselves from injustice and seek aid from others who would be of help.
@SunnasChariot Thats a good point.The American colonialist were also enslavers of Africans,religious bigots who burned women at the stack and refused to have alliances with the indigenous people in which they could have had respect and subjugated there own colonial aspirations to the people that were already here.Excellent analogy.Good for you.
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valekm 4 months ago
They're still using midget photographers in Libya
Midget photographers have a difficult time photographing crowds so why keep relying on them Libya. Shouldn't we at least provide them with a step ladder?
This video from Al Jazeera in Doha Qatar illustrates the point
This massive event probably had as many as 19 people in attendance but the best shot the photographer gets is 11.
Conguano 6 months ago
. if you want to become a farmer in libya, land, house, livestock, seed shall be given for free.5.free electricity for everyone in libya.6. the only reason libya is being attacked today is because gadaffi was making plans to turn away from the american dollar and price his oil in african gold. very smart
yorubablk3 6 months ago
is gadaffi as bad as they say he is? some interesting facts about libya i just learned that might shock you.1. gadaffi said homes in libya are a human right. every person in libya has a house or apt for free.2. libyians earn more per capita then the british. when gadaffi took over they were the poorest and under gadaffi the way of life has improved ten fold.3. their bank is owned by the state and not by corporate bankers. thus, any loan given in libya is without interest
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@WulfBlitzkrieg Oh, I'd love to. I'd keep it around my house as a fragment of a time that was once the present but no longer the past: Like a fossil.
Gramra 6 months ago
several hundreds men and women that celebrates Caddafi's fall - it is to small to be overwhwlming majority of 2-million Tripoly. Ooo.. I am stupid. Caddafi killed 2 mllions people in Tripoly and these several handreds guys are all that left in the whole city!
TheDenkg 6 months ago
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Notice how WHITE the rebels are
rasdennis 6 months ago
Notice how WHITE the rebels are
rasdennis 6 months ago
@rasdennis
Yes, I noticed. Some persons believe that only Europeans are white. But this is wrong.
What do you want to say with this?
lumberj23 6 months ago
@WulfBlitzkrieg Gaddafi's gone asshole. There's nothing you can do to bring him or his regime back.
Gramra 6 months ago
freedom is near!
23SuS23 6 months ago
Support for Muammar al Gaddafi from the people of Serbia
nenadkgkg 6 months ago
@WulfBlitzkrieg What kind of a faggot are you??
Gramra 6 months ago
@MegaMantid
You. Stop it. Dont discuss with persons with an IQ <80.
You actually deserve to be insulted for just responding vikingWindmill.
lumberj23 6 months ago
@MegaMantid
If you ask any normal person that lived in Libya, he would say he was living in heaven there. These so called "freedom fighters" are just NATO's puppets in spreading propaganda and lies about Gaddafi. He never killed anybody. Libya was a rich country, and Israel and USA didn't like that, so they wanted to steal it's wealth.
I find it funny how you kids call out that which you don't understand. You start trembling and call names when the truth is presented to you.
vikingWindmill 6 months ago
@vikingWindmill Oh, he never killed ANYBODY. He didn't hang anybody in the streets, he didn't kill when he invaded Chad, he didn't kill anybody in Tripoli, or Misratah, or Benghazi, or Dernah. No, it was HEAVEN. No voting, no parties, no freedom, no rights..nothing to worry about, besides how to please the "Brotherly Leader".
Gramra 6 months ago
@Gramra
I just said he never killed anybody. The Zionists are just using the media to inspire hate through lies so they can go there and rape them for their oil. Gaddafi may have been in power for 40 years, but that doesn't mean he's evil. If people didn't have rights, a REAL uprising would have come to place, not a little group of delusional kids paid by NATO. It's funny how Gaddafi became evil all of a sudden, the most evil terrorist. You're just pathetic.
vikingWindmill 6 months ago
@vikingWindmill And what about the throngs of people waving tricolors in Benghazi? Nope. It's only the solid green flags that matter. This IS a real uprising. For one, there's the Berbers. A unique, ancient ethnic group that actually has their own alphabet and language, which they were forbidden from using under Gaddafi. Then there's the Islamist crowd in Dernah, who've also been treated like shit.
Gramra 6 months ago
@Gramra
It's all fun and games until they attack Iran. That will really bring the world to an end.
vikingWindmill 6 months ago
@vikingWindmill PROVE it. Right now.
I find it pathetic and selfish how cowards like you who tremble at the slightest sound and look for a shadow in every corner wail and shriek about a conspiracy and FAIL to present actual proof that such a thing exists.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@MegaMantid
Murderer Gaddafi... hmm... let's see:
If Gaddafi is such a bad person tell me this - Why does he give all of Libyans FREE: electricity, water, HOUSE, I mean FREE! Each married couple get $50,000 for a home, if you want to farm: you get land, equipment, and seeds! Gas was 0.14 cents per gallon! Now, gas is $20 a gallon there! Gaddafi wanted to switch over to the African gold dinar, he has an oil rich country & 144 tons of gold!
vikingWindmill 6 months ago
@vikingWindmill Someone please turn off this youtube userID....he posts the same Laughner-esque b.s. every hour.
FalafalFever 6 months ago
@FalafalFever
Yes, close my account because I speak the truth. What a smart thing to do.
Instead of complaining you can actually do something that benefits society.
vikingWindmill 6 months ago
@vikingWindmill "Yes, close my account because I speak the truth."
More like the opposite, quite frankly. Pulling out illogical fallacies out of your ass to make a really shitty point (kinda reminds me of Alex Jones. Man, I hate that guy.) does not equate to the truth you claim to be speaking off. So tell me, who should visit a doctor again, good sir?
UniversalHourglass 6 months ago
@vikingWindmill You have a strange, twisted idea of what constitutes as 'truth'. You can't even prove it, but it doens't matter to you as lo9ng as you get to wail in the safety of your home.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
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@SunnasChariot
I can prove it, but the problem is that you can't prove me wrong :)
vikingWindmill 6 months ago
@vikingWindmill So... that makes it perfectly acceptable that he tortured, killed and later AIR BOMBED people who vocalized their dissent??? Who spoke out against his mistreatment and suppression??? Of his denial of basic civil liberties to his people????
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@MegaMantid
By now I bet your head is like:
"Mainstream media brainwashing program activate: ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba".
Just way too funny.
vikingWindmill 6 months ago
"Libyan activists erect memorial wall"O really?It'll take the all four sides of a skyscraper to list all the Black men,women and children in Libya brutally killed by racist Al-Qaeda and eastern Benghazi thugs,all paid to do so by NATO/Israel.I'll wait n see,but wont hold my breath for THAT 'memorial'.-smh
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3
No, you won't see that memorial.
Umadbro?
Redfingers 6 months ago
@Redfingers No,i'm not a 'bro' and no i'm not 'mad'.I don't expect anti African & anti black Arab terrorist racist in the pay of Israeli and NATO interest to memorialize the innocent victims of their savage slaughter of Black children in Africa but i do LOVE pointing out and underscoring their hypocrisy.And will continue to do so.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3
lol umad
Redfingers 6 months ago
@Redfingers 'mad' at what?
yorubablk3 6 months ago
Where's 'the memorial wall' for all the people NATO and their Al-Qaeda storm troopers are murdering in Libya right now as they fall while fighting bravely against recolonization and imperialism?
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 It didn't exist because there are NONE.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot o,ok,so the people that NATO and its rebels are murdering are 'nobodies' to you?Figures.You're another insane,pro one white world anti Black racist.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 'NATO'S rebels'??? And where did I ever once suggest the Black Africans being killed are 'nobodies'??? You CLAIM that NATO and Al-Queda are murdering people in Libya against 'ecolonization and imperialism.' Can you prove that last part is happening or CAN'T you?
Figure I would hear such talk from someone who likely hasn't ever even set foot outside his state. I'm not denying Black Africans are being killed and certainly not approving. But what does THAT have to do with the video???
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 And I wouldn't talk about other people being 'insane'. You talk a great deal and very arrogantly, but FAIL to support your claims of 'recolonization and imperialism'.
Only a fool would ever claim to know everything.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot Ok,dearheart,since you are in the USA please list and name,by country, which coalition of hostile anti American states would find acceptable to embargo,bomb,invade,take over by paying the Crips,the Bloods, the Mexican mafia,the KKK, the Italian Mafia and others armed gangs USA towns and cities and overthrow the government in Washington D.C.that u would consider 'liberating' ibn 'freedom' and not acts of both 'colonialism ' and 'imperialism'.I'm waiting.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 How about this... you provide EVIDENCE that what you so confidently claim is true and I'll listen.
Until then, you are raving. You have NO authority to make these claims but hey, whatever gives you a feeling of superiority and makes you feel 'special'.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot You posted that no one died resisting the the rebels and NATO and u want me to provide u evidence that they did? Just copy and paste VSMRK in your YouTube search field and go to his page.He's uploaded over 1,000 videos,many of them proving by documentation just that.Have fun.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 Where did I ONCE SAY that no one died? YOU claim that NATO in a coordinated effort with the rebels, are specifically targeting and killing Black Africans. I don't deny Libyans have killed Black Africans. I'm denying that it's as you portray it.
And given the fact that the rebel fighters who have been leading the resistance against Gadhaffi have called that people DO NOT ENGAGE in reprisal/revenge attacks on suspected pro-Gaddaffi forces and the like, your argument loses weight.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot "And given the fact that the rebel fighters who have been leading the resistance against Gadhaffi have called that people DO NOT ENGAGE in reprisal/revenge attacks on suspected pro-Gaddaffi forces and the like, your argument loses weight." Wow ... u sound just like the child on Christmas day who says to a skeptical friend "I know that Santa Claus brought these presents down the chimney.Mommy and Daddy said so!"
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 What I'm saying, is the fact that the rebels, the very people you INSIST are all terrible, are making a clear effort to reduce tragedy and violence in Libya . And by calling for such restraint , it shows a willing effort on part of a new government to show that they are NOT Gadaffi's regime.I'm not saying such a call would stop attacks. I'm saying that their language shows that such attacks will not be tolerated.
Really, your childish attacks only serve to prove your immaturity.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot :Really? Ok,then.When some gangs in YOUR country take up arms and storm police stations and army bases in cohorts with hostile foreign powers,that have overwhelming military superiority over your country take stock of how u feel ..and if there is still internet service when it happens get on the internet and tell us all how it feels to have the US government removed,your city bombed by China,Cuba and Venezuela and your city taken over by armed gangs that they paid for.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 ONLY IF my government were to take up arms against it's citizens and strip them of every basic civil and human right as guaranteed to us by our Constitution. ONLY IF our government broke international law and dropped bombs on it's people because they spoke out against the rampant, evident corruption and violation of basic civil liberties. ONLY IF every peaceful option had been tried. Which is what happened in Libya.
And you just showed your willful ignorance.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot willful ignorance?Ever heard of the 1931 Mukden incident? When Japanese officers fabricated a pretext for annexing Manchuria by blowing up a section of railway. Six years later they falsely claimed the kidnapping of one of their soldiers in the Marco Polo Bridge Incident as an excuse to invade China proper.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot or the Gleiwitz incident?On August 31, 1939, Reinhard Heydrich made use of fabricated evidence of a Polish attack against Germany to mobilize German public opinion and to fabricate a false justification for a war with Poland. This, along with other false flag operations in Operation Himmler, would be used to mobilize support from the German population for the start of World War II in Europe.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot or the British-orchestrated 'Operation Ajax'? In 1953, the U.S. and British-orchestrated "false-flag" and propaganda operations against the formerly democratically elected leader of Iran, Mohammed Mosaddeq. Information regarding this CIA-sponsored coup d'etat has been largely declassified and is available in the CIA archives,if u need further proof,my dear.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot What about the planned, tho never executed, 1962 Operation Northwoods plot by the U.S. Department of Defense for a war with Cuba?
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 You are just grasping at every single historical event and pointing to that as actual 'proof' that something is amiss in this case? REALLY????
I have enough tinfoil, thank you. I don't need you trying to sell it to me.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot U wrote that you have " enough tinfoil, thank you. I don't need you trying to sell it to me"-that's about the most objectively honest post that you've made yet.Have fun making your hats.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 I was talking about YOU little girl. You're the one throwing around random conspiracy theories you CAN'T PROVE.
And I wouldn't talk about honest when you have yet to answer my questions. Typical cowardly fashion, you avoid them.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot I don't have a 'conspiracy theory'.It's quite clear that the USA had a hit list and quite openly said so under Reagan and Baby Bush that Libya was high on that list.It's common knowledge.Just Google it.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot I've answered every question that you've asked.Stop trying to deflect.Its weak.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 No, you haven't. You've deliberately avoided answering my more crucial questions; why should Gaddafi have been allowed to do such horrendous things to his own people and WHY should they not have acted to remove him? Because to you, it's more important to be 'stable and secure' than it is to be free.
You have a very strange idea of what 'stable' and 'secure' means' If it means surrendering your freedom and identity as a person... that's NOT a country I would want to live in.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot There no such thing as absolute 'freedom' in a political nation state.If so,please name one.Now.Thanks.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot It would've involved scenarios such as fabricating the hijacking or shooting down planes, sinking a U.S. ship in the vicinity of Cuba, burning crops, sinking a boat filled with Cuban refugees, attacks by alleged Cuban infiltrators inside the United States, & harassment of U.S. shipping & the destruction of aerial drones by aircraft disguised as Cuban MiGs.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 ...okay, it official... you're nuts.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot okay, it official... you're an idiot with an opinion on something that didn't happen and who doesn't have the political discernment to access propaganda from facts.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 i can prove it happened. I'm just not going to waste my time on a useless little snip who thinks she knows anything when the fact is SHE is the one buying into any propaganda that supports her fears and prejudices because she's too much of a coward to stare the world in the face.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot Stop trying to deflect.My point was that their was no ariel bombardment.Not that there weren't state counter measures ,including the use of force to put down an armed rebellion that targeted the police and security forces.There most certainly were & should be as the first duty of ANY government is to keep the people safe.My further point is to point out the gross hypocrisy of ANY one claiming 'how horrible' ANY governments acts of state security r when ALL of them have & use them
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 Gadaffi wasn't looking out for anyone but himself when he started arresting and shooting people..
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot Thats an opinion.Not a fact.Qadaffi was not your neighbor,he is part of a governing body of a state.He acted like all of them do when threatened by armed overthrow.If not,please name the leaders and countries where armed rebellion targeting national security and public safety are met with a shrug,sigh and a kiss from the leadership.Name just one.Thanks.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 Judging from the number of people who actually LIVE in Libya who bore witness to such atrocities, I'd call it fact.
Look at vou, grasping at any thin straws you can because the facts scare you too much or they're inconvenient. Making faulty comparisons and dodging points. Typical of a coward who can't bring herself to care about others. You abandon any shred of compassion for your arrogance and feelings of self-importance to cover up your feelings of powerlessness and insecurity.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot I do care about others.I care and identify with the millions of Libyans who support Qaddafi and the millions of other Africans all throughout the world whose lives were elevated and made whole and given hope for the future by the things the Libyan government were putting in place to help us all.Now the 700 year old racist global crusade to turn the planet earth into a colossal farm run by a small clique of rich white people is the greatest atrocity of all.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 Right... so you're willing to overlook how he treats his own people as long as you get yours?
Because there is PROOF that he has oppressed and tyrannized his people. GADAFFI ordered aerial strikes on his people. GADAFFI ordered his troops to shoot and kill unarmed protestors. GADAFFI ADMITTED to arranging the Lockerbie bombing. GADAFFI had people treated like animals.
NO amount of what YOU see as 'good' will make all the truly abhorrent things he has done all right.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot Right now there is a ariel bombardment of Libya,Afghanistan,Pakistan and Yemen.Their were many protest in Libya,unarmed that were not shot at and the ones that were later shot at were only shot at when they took up arms to overthrow the state.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 But there were plenty of unarmed people who WERE shot at and killed. Is everything REALLY as you insist it is? Or WANT it to be?
Like it or not, believe it or not, not all governments have their people's best interests in mind. Some can be perfectly wonderful to other countries and treat their own people like crap if they believe it will be of service to them. That's how it is. And Gadaffi's government was definitely one of them.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot It is stupid to believe that sharing the oil wealth of the nation with its people resulting in free health,homes and paid schooling is 'treating people like crap'.Stop projecting your own personal feelings about your own government onto Libya.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 According to various reports, Gadaffi had access to the best healthcare and his own private clinic loaded with medicine and personal items, including Viagra. Meanwhile the hospital across from his compound didn't even have sheets for their beds.
Some great healthcare, huh> That makes EVERYTHING ELSE he does to his people acceptable?
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot Health care in libya:Patrt 1.Health care is provided to all citizens. Health, training, rehabilitation, education, housing, family issues, and disability and old-age benefits are all regulated by “Decision No. 111” (dated December 9, 1999) of the General People’s Committee on the Promulgation of the By-Law Enforcement Law No. 20 of 1998 on the Social Care Fund.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot Part 2"Childhood immunization is almost universal. The clean water supply has increased, and sanitation has been improved. The country’s major hospitals are in Tripoli and Benghazi"
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot part 3.The health care system is not purely state-run, having very small private hospitals in some areas. In comparison to other states in the Middle East, the health status of the population is above average
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 Now my question; SO FUCKING WHAT??!!
You think that makes it okay?! If what you claim was even remotely true, then Gadaffi would NOT have been overthrown. You can blame NATO and outside forces all you want, but the fact remains that it was the LIBYAN PEOPLE THEMSELVES who rose up against him and told him they wouldn't put up with his actions anymore.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot Now u have the gall to say that 'i'm naive' yet you're going to post to me that "If what you claim was even remotely true, then Gadaffi would NOT have been overthrown" while ignoring sanctions,sabotage,psychological warfare,terrorism and ariel bombardment from NATO as ..o 'incidental' to the campaign of 'regime change'.You're a very morally bankrupt person.But then again for those like u,what else is new?
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 Who are YOU to call me 'morally bankrupt' when you turn your nose to the reality that Gadaffi broke international law and violated people's basic human rights? HOW is that okay and WHY should such a man be supported??? That is the response of someone who is too afraid to do serious inner reflection. Blame your cowardice on others
Sanctions that Gadaffi brought on HIMSELF when he REFUSED to cooperate with the international community and heed the advise of ministers!
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot You are 'morally bankrupt' supporting means & methods of treason,armed rebellion and forign intervention in the hear and now that YOU wouldn't wish on yourself,your family or your own country.If u did?U wouldn't be on here,u'd be off & armed to a foreign embassy,consulate police station or army base near you!Hypocrite.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 So you're saying that because I believe in a citizens right to defend themselves, that the people have a responsibility to take their destiny into their own hands. because I BELIEVE in justice, compassion, mercy and equality, because I believe that the rebels had the right to demand change and when the one person in their way refused to budge, is pushed out to make room for it, makes me 'morally bankrupt'?
Well, you're a coward. Clearly you'd rather live on your knees.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot Justice,compassion,mercy and equality are NOT giant,globalist super powers forcing regime change on smaller weaker s ones.And no its not because u believe in those qualities,its because by your post you are a HYPOCRIITE to them
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 Oh? Really? Can you prove that? You think you know me so well based on this ONE subject?
See, just like i said; you're all self-importance and claiming of being informed and knowing, but underneath, you're just weak.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
What i am is a Youtuber calling on a wider view and reminding all that there is more than just one version of events.I will continue to point that out.SunnasChariot
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 Would be better if it weren't so slanted and overflowing with disgusting praise of a man who lied abotu his infant daughter being killed in a raid nearly twenty years ago, when she was, in fact, ALIVE AND WELL in another town and in school.
What kind of man would lie about such a thing? The kind who wanted to get sympathy.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot That is not true.EVERY one knows that his daughter was killed and that he adopted another daughter and gave her the name of the deceased one.We do this all over Africa.I suppose(but don't know) that Arabs do the same.What is typicol of a hypocrite like YOU tho,is u throwing this allegation out,while ignoring the 50,000 men women and children that have been murdered and( r still are being murdered) by NATO right NOW.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 No, she wasn't killed. And most people in Libya didn't believe that she was killed, either. Go look it up yourself. She IS alive. Gadaffi lied.
You ONLY care about those people NOW because NATO is involved. You blame NATO but are so wrapped up in YOUR selfish pettiness that you would WILLINGLY turn a blind eye to Gadaffi's crimes against them because it makes you a false feeling of power. Because it's easier to blame them than hold Gadaffi accountable for what HE has done.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot U wrote "No, she wasn't killed." Let me ask u.ARE YOU THE FATHER???.If not then state what U 'believe' not what 'is',ok?because that ALL that is,speculation and second guessing some one elses family as U DON'T KNOW.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 I'm not second-guessing. There were reports and it was recently confirmed. It was the VERY FIRST public mention that she ever existed when Gadaffi claimed she was killed. He showed a picture of a dead baby and claimed it was his daughter.Google 'Gadaffi's daughter alive'. There are enough reports to point to her being alive.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot I've already goggled this.The family stated what happened.She died and they readopted.Thats not the only adopted child they had.Now with the NATO campaign on going and the accompanying psych war,this is a deflection against not only the other Grandchildren and children of Qaddafi that HAVE been KILLED in the last months but a deflection away from all the children NATO is killing RIGHT NOW!As i said"If U r not the father,than shut up about that and protest the NATO childmurders now
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 Sorry, i don't buy it. it feels too off.
But you'll protect the man who has slaughtered thousands of his own people and is now hiding among his people instead of just handing himself over. If he's innocent, he can prove it. Hiding like he is only places others in danger,. If he really gave a damn, he would have handed himself over to give himself a chance to prove innocent of crimes against humanity and NOT further endanger his people by hiding among them.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot You're such a full-o-shit hypocrite.'Qaddafi' is hiding'.I tell u what.U led the way.Post right here,right now,your actual first and last birth name,your address city and zip code.Upload a recent picture and your drivers license and display them on your YouTube page.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 And of course, you resort to your childish discourse.
Well, no one can FIND him, so of COURSE he's hiding.
The more you talk, the more you show yourself to be a raving lunatic.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot Are U 'hiding'?His country is being attacked by the most powerful forces on earth.Many people know where he is.But he's avoiding the enemy and thousands are helping him to do so.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 'His' country is not being attacked so much as his regime. HE stands accused of crimes against humanity and HE brought this on himself when HE ordered the deaths of thousands of Libya's people.
But all YOU can do is sit there in arrogance and basically say he can commit whatever crimes against his people he wants, as long as YOU stand to benefit from his government in some way and as long as it's in 'defiance' of NATO, which is ALL that matters to you.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot GADAFFI DID NOT ATTACK HIS PEOPLE CONFIRMED BY SATELLITE SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS
libyanEGA-here on Youtube.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 This person's account opened in April of this year. HOW reliable is this information?
Also, we are only seeing ONE PERSONS view of this. Is their view reflective of ALL Libyans? You clearly are only seeing what you WANT to see and won't look at anything else because it's too inconvenient .
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot Its not about their 'view' or what they 'think'.Its about recounting what did or did not happen based on a number of sources.I look at every thing,not just what i 'want to see'.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 Then look at libyainmyheart4ever's Channel and and read what they say about this whole thing.
There are people who support him because he is all they know. They know of no other way under which to live. Even if he's the Devil himself, they KNOW him.
But this is a change that had to happen.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 Then look at libyainmyheart4ever's Channel and read what they say abotu this whole thing. They are a Libyan and have lived under Gadaffi and they KNOW how it's been.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot I don't deny or discount any of that.Do they rise 2 the level of NATO sponsored regime change by force?Only if Israel,the USA,the UK,France & others are similarly dealt with.Their are political,ethnic or religious minorities in those countries and victims of their overseas aggressions that have accounts that they feel would warrant 'regime change' in those countries.If those countries don't dissolve them selves than neither should Libya be made to do so at the point of a gun.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 All other options were tried and failed. Diplomacy and reason were NOT going to work with Gadaffi and you KNOW this. He is not in his right mind.
The UK, France and the U.S. are by no means perfect. But you know what? In those countries, you can say what you want, walk out the door without fear of being stopped by government goons and there are ways for those minorities to make themselves heard and speak out. In places like Libya, they would be jailed, killed or disappear.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot U're projecting again.I never posted that he can do 'anything'.I posted that he didn't Ariely bomb innocent protesters & provided sources on why i came to that conclusion..And like any government,he was putting down an armed rebellion when he 'ordered' anything.What matters to me is global,balance equality.justice and independence.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot U wrote"The more you talk, the more you show yourself to be a raving lunatic".As if u could judge 'lunacy' LOL....stop projecting,dissembling and being a hypocrite.U aren't going to declare who and where u are,your going to continue to spout inane psych-war bullshit on the subject of Libya while ignoring the same tyrannical acts when committed by Israel,NATO and the USA.You're a shameless,full of shit and hypocritical .And the more u post me,the more i'm gonna call u out on it.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 I noted something interesting; for all your bluster and raving, NOT ONCE do I read one bit of denial of the atrocities Gadaffi stands accused of.. You talk a great deal of all the 'good things' he's done, but aside from the aerial bombings, you never once deny that he's committed crimes against his people.
It seems like, you'll overlook those, as long as you benefit somehow. And with NATO involved, you have someone to blame, as long as it's not the person you profit from.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
++ @SunnasChariot Well,Sherlock,looks like u found a 'clue'!No i'm not contesting that an embattled government faced with stopping an armed rebellion would or does use force in doing so.My point was the hypocrisy involved in making what was an internal problem a bases for NATO sponsored bombing,killing and regime change.When i see Israel invaded,bombed and dismantled by NATO or NATO countries dismantled by some other equally powerful global consortium than u won't be hearing from me.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 This is NOT about Israel, so atop making it like it is.
Gadaffi was given EVERY opportunity to stop what he was doing and he rejected it. He brought this on himself, not caring about the cost in human life.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot Palestinian and Lebanese lives are just as 'precious' as Libyan and Israeli lives.And this has EVERY thing to do with what countries,leaders and systems that are overthrown on one hand and which are coddled,protected and funded by NATO on the other.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 Never said they weren't, but it is NOT pertinent to the discussion. We're talking abotu Libyan right now. You wanna whine about Israel, take it somewhere else. I have heard more whining, pissing and moaning about that issue than I care to think about.
Why shouldn't Gadaffi be held accountable? Those countries leaders, as they strand right now, are NOT being accused of crimes against humanity.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot You're gonna here a LOT about NATO & USA Israeli Zionist cuddling as long as u choose to exchange post with me.Don't post 2 u as long as Israel routinely gets away with having weapons of mass destruction,disappearing opponents,occupying Palestine and invading neighboring countries,offenses that would call for 'regime change' if it were done by Libya or none NATO others, by the very same forces that want Qaddafi's hide?Fat chance!lol
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 You're constant use of netspeak leads me to take you less seriously, even as you take yourself TOO seriously. You've stylized yourself as some sort of 'expert' on the Middle East. News flash; watching the news does NOT make you and expert.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot U wrote "Gadaffi was given EVERY opportunity to stop what he was doing and he rejected it. He brought this on himself, not caring about the cost in human life"interesting,as it is NATO that has every opportunity to diversify its 'punishments' but only focuses on rebellious countries that oppose its member states financial or political agenda,while ignoring Israel ,not caring about the cost in Palestinian,Lebanese,Iraqi or potentially Iranian life.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 Dude, ENOUGH with the 'WAAAAHHH! It's ALL ISRAEL'S FAULT!' Just because they aren't doing what YOU THINK they should be doing in Israel does NOT mean people like Gadaffi should be ignored.
Libya is hardly alone in forcing regime change. Notice how since the Arab Spring began, that this is the FIRST time NATO has gotten involved. Tunisia and Egypt did it BY THEMSELVES. The Libyans could NOT do it alone and were being decimated by Gadaffi, who was showing increased irrationality.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot In Tunisia and Egypt there was no storming of police stations or army bases.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 The situations were VERY different. Libya is NOT Tunisia or Egypt. The structure is such that everything rested on Gadaffi's shoulders. He called ALL the shots and made all the calls. He didn't need anyone's approval or a consensus. The army and police were at his beck and call.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot whatever.Regime change in Israel NOW.NATO bombs on the wicked Zionist regime and ICC charges on all Zionist Israeli leaders NOW.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 So you rail on and on about how 'evil' NATO is, how we shouldn't 'force change' on people; but if they bomb Israel and force the change there, suddenly they're the best thing ever. Which is it?
NOW who's the hypocrite? It was ALWAYS you, little girl.
The PEOPLE have to WANT change and be the ones to initiate it. There are growing signs that that's happening in Israel, the West Bank, everywhere. The Middle East is changing. I actually BELIEVE it can happen.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot No i'm pointing out YOUR hypocrisy.You and i both know no one is going to do anything about israrl when it does what they'd overthrow some one else for even thinking to do.This is a cruel,unjust world that favors the strong over the weak.I thank Qaddafi for at lest trying to give the weak a voice in this world,and for hanging in their as long as he could.I'll always appreciate him for that.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 Excuse me, YOU just revealed YOUR hypocrisy when it comes to NATO. You hate them because they aren't' doing what YOU WANT them to do and that's bomb Israel. Like THAT'S going to solve EVERYTHING. It WON'T.
In a recent speech, Gadaffi stated, "If they want a long battle, let it be long. If Libya burns, who can govern it? So let it burn."
He would sooner let Libya BURN before surrendering. He would let his people suffer and DIE before admitting defeat. Some leader.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot I don't hate them for not doing what i want them to do!LOL.NATO is the armed global force of white supremcy.They are doing EXACTLY what they are supposed to do.I don't hate dogs because they bark or cats because they 'meow'.That's silly.I'm simply pointing out the reality behind their hypocritical pretentions to care for 'the humanitarian needs' inside targeted countries-as we both know they'll NEVER,ever turn their guns or bombs on Israel,the USA,the UK or any other such place.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 Can you PROVE 'NATO is the armed global force of white supremcy' or not?
Otherwise, don't make claims you can't support with evidence. Because it makes you look crazy.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot Sure.simple.Look at what it uses its power to do and promote & who & what it ignores or counters and attacks.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 Doesn't prove anything.
I've pretty much stopped taking you seriously kid. Not that I ever really did. You've just ceased to be entertaining. Everything you've said, I've pretty much read before (though the 'white supremacy claim' is a new one) and NONE OF IT means a thing because that's all they are; unsupported theories thrown out there by losers on the web who think they 'get it' when I doubt any of you guys have any kind of education to lend great clout to your claims.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot If u were being 'entertained' than u truly a loser.I do this for the written record and those that will read it.it could be u or some other jerk just like u.You're all predictable and the same.So keep living.You'll see whats next..Long live the al -Fatah revolution and the resistance to the recolonization of Africa!
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot You'r e sooo silly'!Libya IS burning.it's burning RIGHT NOW! NATO is setting it on fire as we post!His people are suffering and dieing RIGHT NOW in NATO's recolonization campaign.They've seen this before with Italy and they fought for 20 or so odd years.They'll fight longer if they have too now.They won't give up.Just like Jews don't.So stop being jealous.Your people are not the only ones with long historical memories .
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 Translation; you're not serious about this situation at all. You are a pathetic, loser troll who has no life and who cares nothing for the lives of others and spread popular conspiracy theory trash around like it's going out of style because you're too lazy and self-absorbed in your own meaningless existence to get up and make things happen because it's easier to just sit and whine endlessly like a spoiled brat.
Right. Jealous. Whatever makes you feel like you're special, kid.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot No i'm not a Jew with a crazy mythology that links me & 'my people' to some 'special relationship' to the almighty invisible sky god.That's YOUR trip.Stop projecting.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 And again, you make the unsupported, weak 'projecting' claim to hide your own cowardice and easily influenced mind.
And for the record, I am not a Jew. I am a Pagan.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot Jewish pagans are still Jews.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 Oh, how clever and creative of you to assume you know anything about me! Obviously, yo MUST have some super special powers that make you even MORE super special than you are now!
Oh, wait.. you don't. You're just some loser on the net trying to look important and who just reached a new depth in loserdom; by using 'Jew' as an insult. Lazy and pathetic. To say nothing of revealing your own prejudice.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
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@SunnasChariot Interestiong projection.Why do you find 'Jew' an insult?Sounds like you're the prejudiced one,not me.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
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@SunnasChariot And talking about ' projecting calling some one a '"pathetic, loser troll who has no life and who cares nothing for the lives of others"is autobiographical MUCH coming from you.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 Gadaffi wasn't looking to 'give the weak a voice in this world', you naive fool. He USED the weak. He exploited them for his own gain for the sake of retaining his power. But facing that would be too much for you to deal with, so you ignore all that he's done to his own people in favor of clinging to your fantasy of this false image he carved of himself because of his superficial actions.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot Their was nothing false or imaginary about bringing water from under the desert,providing free education for the those who wouldn't have it otherwise,healing us of our wounds for free or little cost or good jobs and good salaries for African workers.No its your duplicitous people that have used us.Qaddafi was with us.And we are with him.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 And NONE OF THAT means a damned thing when you take into account the total absence of a fair justice system, a restricted press and people too afraid to speak out against the regime for fear of arrest.
As evidenced, majority of the Libyan people are NOT. THEY are the ones that count as THEY are tho ones who suffered under him.
He's done plenty for YOU, but what about for HIS OWN PEOPLE? Look at how he's treated THEM.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot He 'treated them' quite well.The western world is bankrupt,exhausted and in decline.They will continue to fight on in his name.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 Oh? Then why is he in hiding?
You think this revolution would have happened at ALL if the change wasn't WANTED by the Libyan [people? Are you their spokesperson? I don't profess to speak for them. It is simple observation by the fact that Gadaffi is in hiding and the NTC is now recognized as the governing body of Libya. So sorry if that reality is not to your liking.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot You are silly.Why shouldn't he be 'hiding'aren't U?If not,and you're ready to come from behind your YouTube handle,as i said in an earlier post,u know what to do!
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 Big difference; I don't have an international arrest warrant on my head for crimes against humanity. I'm not the one looking to spend the rest of my pathetic life in prison after how cruelly I treated the people of my nation and I'm not the one using my people as human shields.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
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@SunnasChariot But you're an apologist for a global system of injustice.He's a revolutionary leader with a price on his head.He'll go the way of his leader Omar Mukhtar,victory or death.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 Who are YOU to say 'no one is going to do anything about Israel'? I at least BELIEVE in a change and that it IS coming. I'm not a whiny quitter who gives up just because things look impossible. ANYTHING is possible if you are willing to work and fight for it.
And there are clear signs that change IS happening, if you bothered to look for it.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot Israel will do what it has to do to survive.As long as it kisses the butts of its super power patrones and they remain as such then it will go their way.If not,then all beats are off and they'll have to face increasing calls for justice and recompense ffor all the evils they have done in Palestine and all over the world.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 There WILL be change and it WILL happen in the next few years. i have seen signs of it. i have been paying attention.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot so have i.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot U wrote "Who are YOU to say 'no one is going to do anything about Israel'?An observant and attentive person,that's who.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 Obviously, not observant enough. You are NOT the final authority. Heck, you're not an authority PERIOD.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot there is other authority outside of 'Jew authority' keep living .You will see it.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 Again with the claims you can't support.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 And for the record, let it be known that I am not happy about the situation in Israel, either. I think it's unfair but I'm not so stupid as to lay the blame on just ONE side. At the same time, I don't see that as any excuse to turn a blind eye to Gadaffi's actions.
I DO believe change, POSITIVE change, is happening in Israel. It's slow, but it is happening. I REALLY BELIEVE that we will see, in a few years time, a Palestinian state and many, many more positive changes in Israel.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot Ok,so you're a liberal Zionist Jew instead of a conservative one.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 Please stop making claims you can't support. Because I believe that change can and IS coming from within, you call me names?
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot Change is coming.but it wont be from NATO,Israel or Yahweh.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 Never said it would be coming from all or any of those.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 Let's put it another way; for the last 40 years, Gadaffi is ALL these people have known. So naturally people are scared and unsure of something new.
But THOUSANDS of people have been killed or disappeared under Gadaffi's reign. Attempts to remove him have happened in the past and before now, they failed because people weren't as organized and unified as they are now. Do you think this would have been anywhere NEAR as successful if the Libyan people weren't a more unified front?
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot The levels of discontent in Libya,a secular socialist state that was pushing women's rights and direct democracy and a Pan African economic agenda that was also anti imperialist and anti Zionist was bound to above zero.Yet a don't think from the evidence i've seen that the majority of people wanted their country NATO bombed and thrust into the chaos of AL-qaeda inspired civil war.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 Well, I don't think they wanted it, either. But given the option between that and continue living under a tyrants boot and the heavy price they have already paid over the last four decades, maybe they believed they had a better chance with NATO's bombs than with Gadaffi's troops, who WOULD be merciless.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 Let me ask you; how many Libyans have posted a response to that one guys channel? According to one called 'libyainmyheart4ever, other Libyans 'are fed up with all of his crimes, craziness and carelessness about human lives'. They talk about how life is like under Gadaffi and off the horrors they witnessed, including seeing others die at the hands of Gadaffi forces.
How do you know the person posting isn't pushing their OWN propaganda? Of the two, who do you think would be believed?
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot U asked "how many Libyans have posted a response to that one guys channel?"I'd say about as many as pro Gaddafi posters have posted on their pages.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot When the world is structured like a huge farm controlled by a small white elite it is right for the 'cows' and 'sheep' to act in their own interst of self preservation.Why follow 'international law' that says sheep should be in the slaughter house by 5?Africa needs to be free,self sufficient and self determined.That's the only international law worth observing.No matter what casual anti black racist like u say,do or think.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 If YOUR government was treating you as sub-human, denying you your basic rights, made you afraid to leave the house, was restricting your access to information and all around made your life Hell, would YOU tolerate it?
How trustworthy is a leader who mistreats his own people while greasing the palms of other country leaders to gain allies? How worthy of praise is a man who, while he gives you 'hope', he denies freedom and dignity to his own people?
THINK. Very carefully.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariotQ: If YOUR government was treating you as sub-human, denying you your basic rights, made you afraid to leave the house, was restricting your access to information and all around made your life Hell, would YOU tolerate it?A:I wouldn't call on foreign countries to invade my country,bomb my neighbors,give power to armed gangs or turn traitor under ANY circumstances.
yorubablk3 6 months ago
@yorubablk3 In short, you would let the government walk all over you and treat you as they deem fit.
When the American Revolution happened, the colonists called upon the French, the Dutch and the Spanish to aid them in their fight against the British. You have a LOT of nerve to sit there and say that people who are oppressed by their government as the Libyan people were have no right to defend themselves from injustice and seek aid from others who would be of help.
SunnasChariot 6 months ago
@SunnasChariot Thats a good point.The American colonialist were also enslavers of Africans,religious bigots who burned women at the stack and refused to have alliances with the indigenous people in which they could have had respect and subjugated there own colonial aspirations to the people that were already here.Excellent analogy.Good for you.
yorubablk3 6 months ago