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  • someone who knows who is this baritone

  • The baritone meant it has a joke i believe though Pavarotti did look a bit offended.

    nice voice from the baritone funny though that Pav can even sing Bartione roles well.

  • @jamesgatward1985 Pavarotti wasn't offended he knew that that was a joke.

  • @ThePavafan

    Did you ask him?

  • @jamesgatward1985 HAHAHAHAHHA. Did you ask him?

  • @ThePavafan

    I said he LOOKED offended. you told us what he knew.

  • @jamesgatward1985 What did he say anyway for the student to answer "yes i am"? I can't understand it.

  • does anyone know what this aria is called?

  • @lifeeh it is "Di Provenza il mar" from La Traviata, Verdi.

  • "Oh yes I am!" What a jackass! Seriously? Who dares to do that to Pavarotti or to anyone? This is so disrespectful!

  • @sweetaliena The baritone wanted to make a joke.

  • What a disrespectful student. For God's sake...

  • I so agree jpvaldez. You are right. Here Pavarotti is demonstrating how to "change the color" with pianissimo, through forte, soft through loud - as the opera singer conveys so much in not only what they sing but how they sing it as part of the 'acting' of the character. It's more than the message, it is the delivery too. Opera says so much through music, but the singer emotes through acting and singing. Message, emoted through music. Pavarotti was truly a genius here. Bravo! God Bless, RIP

  • What is this singer singing?

  • haha brian looks soooo young! haha he is my voice teacher and he is the real deal! he is soooo talented and down to earth! i love him!

  • I really wish I would have had the chance to do a masterclass with Master Pavarotti! :)

  • @ jpvaldez

    Bravo! This is exactly it :) Thank you for this!

  • @ jpvaldez

    Bravo! This is exactly it :) Thank you for this!

  • What is the name of this Aria?

  • "Di provenza il mar, il suol", G. Germont's aria from La Traviata.

  • @kchaks Di Provenza il mar from Verdi's La Traviata.

  • pura pasion por la musica, eso era Pavarotti...

  • what did the pavarotti say in the end?

    Pavarotti: it's not finished???

    (is it that?)

  • maybe... he thought the baritone might want to sing a second thing after. often masterclass students can sing 2 pieces.

  • 1:51 XXXDDD Pavarotti's face FTW ! ^_^

  • i think he means, there's not anything happening in the orchestra as far as scoring.

  • He means that the orchestra is playing very softly very piano/pianissimo not that the orchestra is unimportant.

  • jjajajaj los mata a todos el hdp, es como el entrenador q te quiere sacar bueno como sea

  • Please people you just keep comparing this singer and that singer, never grasping the essential. the essential for is the way we feel when we listen to Pavarotti or Domingo. for me Pavarotti had unique way of singing, you can feel emotion when we sings not just empty skills. Pavarotti in this video is showing just that to that boy, that is not only the power of the voice that counts but the emotion that we put in it. in opera we MUST know when we must singing lowly or aloud acording to the area.

  • part of it might be his age. basses and bass baritones usually don't really pull it together until mid 30s. his voice might just have more difficulty displaying the emotions of the piece as subtly as a fully mature voice. Pavarotti's advice helped him 10 fold though.

  • @jpvaldez aria.Not area.

  • put subtitles please!! in spanish

  • Absolutamente de acuerdo, y por favor todas las lecciones del maestro1!!

  • I like the series, where is part 5?

  • What a clown show!

  • what's the name of this arias that he's singing?

  • Di Provenza il mar, Germont's aria from La Traviata.

  • good old Pav! What a lej

  • And what is actually your point of view on someone being an artist or cultured person with musicianship ? And who is the ultimate criterion for these categories ? The critics ? The audience ?

  • You are only guessing about the true meaning of Mutti's words on Pavarotti. Your interpretation is subjective and pretentious. ''The point of reference'' means that one is a paradigmatic role model for everyone to come. Are you suggesting that Mutti is talking about Callas' and Tebaldi's technic as well because they are in the same line as Pavarotti ? I don think so. He is talking about the general artistic impact of three great artists.

  • I don't find it very convincing to state that a great artist lacks musicianship and Pavarotti was a great artist whether someone likes it or not. At least the great majority of his audience believes that. The purpose of every art is to send a message in an adequate way and if we can judge it by the quantity of the audience Pavarotti was the most convincing of all tenors in sending that kind of message. In other words he knew how to send a message and to do that you have to be an artist.

  • Maybe it is true what lacaf1 says about ''Master class in Modena 1991''. But this not an argument about Pavarotti's general lack of musicianship. I am a student of philosophy and there is a similar story about Heidegger who once attended a symposium on Nietzsche. He quoted Nietzsche but it was obvious for anyone in the audience that the quotation was completely wrong. In other words, here we have a great tenor and a great philosopher making an impressive flaw. So what ?

  • Well that is taking it too lightly...one thing is to make a wrong quote another is to insist on a mistake and keep doing it.

  • The statements about Pavarotti's lack of musicianship and artistic intelligence are probably part of the ''vanity fair'' that envelops every extraordinary person in order to find some flaws and make this person more ordinary in the eyes of human vane.

  • Not part of the "Vanity Fair"but a fact that anyone that worked with him or attended his"masterclasses"witnessed.Th­is does not diminishes his great talent as a singer.

  • I don't understand people who say that Pavarotti's musicianship was inferior. He is one of the best tenors of all time and he probably did around ten roles the best of all tenors or at least he was not surpassed by any other tenor (and this is an important number of roles). It is true he could not read any music but Caruso had that kind of ''deficit'' as well. Ricardo Mutti called Pavarotti ''the point of reference, like Callas and Tebaldi'' and I believe this point of view says it all.

  • Muti was refering to his technic,and that was flawless.The fact remains that he learned evrything by memory,has no musical culture and no culture in general.Great singer but quite ignorant.

  • what year what this?

  • I just love all the schmuckperts who bash Pavarotti for his "musicianship". Go pound sand!

    Ever hear him sing? Stuffy, elitist opera-snobs!

    What matters is that he sang like he did IN SPITE OF this "shortcoming".

    I really hope they don't call themselves "teachers of singing".

  • I think its pretty funny that they have found some way to feel superior to Pavarotti, not by singing better Abut by rubbishing him for his 'musicality'. as others rubbish his poor acting abilities, or his size.

    His many limitations never detracted from his singing, which is what he is admired, even worshipped, for. Even his most ardent fans would not suggest he was perfect in ALL things.

  • And what are you a "teacher of opinion"?Being a great singer does not mean that you are a superior cultured human being,on the contrary most singers are very poor culturally.

  • wow, i was not expecting his english to be that good.

    i really like the singer too.

  • 'Pavarotti was more likely to have benefited from coaching by Schexnayder, rather than the other way around.'

    Funny.

  • I'm serious. Pavarotti had a great vocal mechanism and developed a world class vocal technique. He had personality and he had a taste for phrasing. But he was sorely lacking in basic musicianship. Had he been able to read music and learn music faster he would have performed more roles and his recorded legacy would be richer.

  • Musicianship is much more than reading music.

    A singer's ability to read music is irrelevant on the stage. On the stage, musicianship is the control of the legato line, the ability to switch notes without hitting any unwritten notes inbetween, the ability to sing on pitch, rhythm and ability to stay in time etc...

    Pavarotti had extremely firm control of these aspects, a better legato line, better pitch and portamento than singers who were praised for musicality, Domingo for example.

  • You should go into politics. You lecture me on things I didn't write. Please read what I wrote.

    I said his inability to read music and learn music quickly meant that he was restricted in the number of roles he did.

    I first heard Pavarotti live in the late sixties. He didn't really know Nerorino at that time. He knew the aria but little else.

    Read Breslin's book. Pavarotti was always late in learning a new role and after a while he just didn't bother.

  • His 'basic musicianship' was not really a fault of his singing. His smaller repertoire may bother you, but I think he chose a very appropriate repertoire throughout the initial two decades of his career.

  • My original point was that Pavarotti was an odd choice for a master class teacher because his fame was achieved in spite of his musical limitations.

    I am not the only one who holds this opinion. That's what Pavarotti himself felt. He was very nervous about these classes.. 

    Compare Domingo's master class videos. Domingo directs the pianist with explicit citations to the score, Indeed Domingo sits down at the piano and demonstrates. Pavarotti knew he couldn't do anything like that.

  • @Agorante You actually MEAN that?!

  • What's the name of the song??

  • It's the aria "Di Provenza" from Verdi's "La Traviata" sung by Giorgio Germont (baritone) on the second act.

  • Hey thank you very much!! It's not a tenor's aria, is it? Because the hightest note is an F Sharp...

    Greetz

  • No. As I stated on my previous comment, the character (Giorgio Germont) is a baritone, father of the tenor (Alfredo Germont).

  • Great extraordinary singer one of the greatest technicians(togetehr with Kraus).

    Having said that he has no idea of how to interpret anything simply because he had no musical education,or general culture.

  • He grew up in Modena... where daily life generally revolved around music... Of course he had culture and could interpret things.

  • I respect your opinion and love your town,but if I tell you what I personally witnessed in one of those master classes you will not believe it.

  • i would love to hear what you witnessed! please share

  • Master class in Modena 1991

    A bass was singing "La Calumnia"from Barbiere and Pavarotty interrupted him 3 times asking him to sing"the real notes".The poor guy did not understand and kept repeating the same initial notes.After a while the "big maestro"sang the "real notes"and he did sing the semiquavers that are written but FOR THE ORCHESTRA!!!not the singer's.

    What was so humiliating is that 3 pianists were present and none of them dared to correct the "meastro"

    He had no musical education.

  • HAH, Well it's well known that the big P couldn't read music (at least not for the longest time, not sure if he ever learned.) He had a nice voice and good technique- he was no musical genius. If you want musicality I'd go for Kraus, Del Monaco, etc.. Not The big p.

  • Absolutely right!

  • Finally someone admits to my rightness. :D

  • Del Monaco for musicality over Pavarotti?

    Right.

    Just because he did not read music well, it does not make him a bad singer musically. He was actually a very musical singer, incredible gift for pitch and strong sense of rhythm and phrase, with a perfect legato line.

    A mark of a bad musician is sloppy portamento, when a singer slides to a pitch instead of hitting it dead on. Pavarotti didn't do this, but singers praised for 'musicality' did: Domingo, Corelli and Lanza are just three examples.

  • You just said all the technical Pavarotti did. While I adore the Maestro, many times I find that most agree he was not the most "musical" in the sense that other people interperet the music and convey emotion through it better.

    Pavarotti may be a technique machine, but that's not the definition people here mean by "musicianship". It's being aware of the theory behind the piece and breathing life into it.

  • 'Musicality' encompasses the technical side as well, if a singer cannot follow a score and sing legato, their performance is generally not considered musical.

    Interpretively, Pavarotti was strong in my opinion. He tarnished his reputation by singing for too long and engaging in stoic, boring singing in his later years. But in his younger years, his interpretations of many roles (Rodolfo or Duca for example) is fantastic, he was expressive without sobbing, in my opinion.

  • Well, yes, to the first part of your reply. I'm aware that that is the truth, I was just pointing out what many others hold as their interpretation of "musicianship". I also agree that his later years seemed pretty stoic.

    I think a lot of the vocal technique of the Maestro was developed to compensate for a general lack musical knowledge. It happens often with voice students who cannot read music well. They're less worried about the notes they sing, and it lets them blossom.

  • @Mooorhe I absolutely concur! In my opinion, Pava had no need for the "over dramatic". He allowed his voice, his facial and eye, expression to convey emotion. He added the barest of movement to tie in the action of the role. Any additional "acting" would distract from the voice, the singing--or is used, by some, even prominent singers, to "cover up" flaws in singing ability or technique, in my humble opinion.

  • the roles that you named sung by domingo are all roles suited for dramatic voice, the opposite of that possessed by pavarotti... that's why he never sang them

  • He could have sang Werther and Romeo in Italian Poliuto,Pollione,Gabriele Adorno,Gennaro in Lucrezia Borgia and Carlo in Linda di Chamounix and other dramatic roles but he was too absorbed in singing the naive and interpretively undemanding characters of opere buffe.

  • there is no question that domingo has a wider repertoire; however, my previous comment stands. the roles you name are just too dramatic for a voice as lyrical as pavarotti's. it just doesn't sound good. even when he's singing roles such as dick johnson and andrea chenier, it's quite apparent that something is "missing." his tenor simply is not suited for dramatic roles.

  • Pavarotti's basic repertoire was Boheme,Fille,Elisir,Puritani,R­igoletto and Ballo. Apart from Riccardo these roles are not particularly taxing in terms of drama and interpretation.His repertoire was extremelly narrow he never sang extremelly demanding roles like Werther.

  • that's because the role of werther isn't suited to the lyric nature of his tenor!

  • ''Pavarotti never dared to tackle any dramatically demanding role at his best he could sing musically one-dimensional characters like Rodolfo and Neronimo in the same generic way.Any decent singer could sing a good Rodolfo but Otello is another story.'' Then why is Pavarotti better Rodolfo or Nemorino then Domingo ? I think you are simplifying the thing.

  • Any singer could have learned something meaningful from Pavarotti. The wisdom he had to offer from his incredible career experiences are precious.

    All those who constantly compare Pavarotti and Domingo in the way shown below are only showing how little they know about great singers.

  • If Pavarotti had had the early training and experience of Domingo it would certainly have been a big advantage to him but he was a working class boy and had none of Domingo's advantages. We are lucky he got what training he did as an adult, [ by working two jobs to pay for it] or we might not have heard him at all.

  • ''Any decent singer could sing a good Rodolfo but Otello is another story.'' Then why is Pavarotti better Rodolfo or Nemorino then Domingo ? I think you are simplifying the thing.

  • Bravo for this singer who wanted to escape as soon as possible from this masquerade of Pav. & friends(you know, Companies and Money). He was very honest and valiant. He has all my esteem. CONGRATULATIONS!!

  • I know Pavarotti wasn't a qualified teacher, but I think lessons from someone who is a brilliant singer themselves can be helpful, but in a different way.

    Someone who is a performer themselves gives you different advice that is just as useful.

    I would have loved to have had an opportunity like this.

  • this guy is a freakin douche. he didnt deserve this opportunity with pavarotti.

  • The lyrics of the song please...

  • He has no intent when he sings.

  • Agorante:

    ...are you ignorant? Pav was the greatest of all time...to have had the opportunity to hear his advice must have been this highlight of this guy's life....moreover his advice was actually spot on!!

  • Pav was certainly among the greatest main stream Italian tenors of all time. However it remains true that he was very nervous about the idea of teaching a master class on TV. He didn't think he was appropriate. Domingo is a working conductor. He could help anyone with the music. Bergonzi was the master of style. Anyone could learn from him. But Pavarotti's genius was his vocal technique. He was well worth listening to on vocal issues but not on matters of interpretation.

  • Domingo is over-rated BIG TIME....his technique was always weak....he had a hard time even with a High B....totally bogus tenor.....Bergonzi's talent is tiny compared to Pavarotti's......No one can ever approach the perfection of the young Pav.....his incredible resonance in the passagio and above were incredible....also his voice was unique in that it was immediuately recognizable.....

  • you are talking big shit!!! can you sing better than him? i guess not!!! so shut upp you fucking idiot!!!

  • It always brightens my day to receive a carefully thoughtout and sensitive reply like this.

  • I agree with you...im a tenor and i listen to pavarotti for vocal advice but interpretation must go to domingo...and bergonzi is genius

  • And your comment surely ranks among the silliest ever. A vocal coach teaches good singing, not good reading. Good singing is about how you breathe, your imposta di voce, your support and more subtle issues concerning style. Pavarotti was highly qualified to teach all this, reading is not necessary to excel in it.

  • no thats a voice teacher. vocal coaches emphasize the finer points of the song. Dynamics, language, stylistic markings etc...

  • 1/2 i agree with you...but i think you over did it

  • It is a pleasure watching Luciano if I did not already love it, I would do now at the latest ..

  • You're faulting PAV for being TOO THOROUGH?

  • This young man needs to center his voice much more and look at the composer's intention.He also needs to listen to the Golden Age of Singers such as Lawrence Tibbett, John Charles Thomas, Stracciari and more

  • Atleast we agree on this.

  • He gives such good advice. Really, I think just watching clips of master classes will help me fix some of my own problems. And he's so amusing too. I would have given just about anything to have met Pavarotti.

    Though, admittedly, if I had I probably would have been too intimidated to actually sing. I tremble when I perform in front of my school. I probably wouldn't even be able to stand at a master class!

  • beautifull

  • God Bless You!!!

  • Hey his comments are very clear, just the guy isn't looking at him or paying attention. I love the way Pavarotti demonstrates the correct technique, then hushes the audience and spontaneously grins when they applaud. His grin is precious.

  • Pavarotti... he's so funny! :D lol

    He really looks more than human, when he smiles and shows all those typical Italian face expressions, I adore him!

  • HE needs more "trumpet" as pavarotti says, more sharpness to his baritone

  • what is this aria called...sorry im new at this whole opera thing.

  • di provenza il mar, of "Traviata" de verdi.

  • Well, you should be so lucky as to have such a 'suck'y coach! He knows exactly what is wrong, tells him how to fix it, and checks to make sure he does it right.

  • Pavarotti is amazing. Beautiful! He looks more than human. *sigh*

  • pause it on 01:50,he looks like he's constipated

  • pls erase this comment. my brother used my ID when he posted that.

  • LOL! was this the only video he posted on?

  • To respond to an earlier comment, to say that Pavarotti is not a technician (vocally) is ludicrous. He has always been a stickler for vocal technique (perhaps not as anal as Kraus), especially in his his prime. Domingo, in contrast, might be more of a musician, but his performances have always been more about passion and performance than true bel canto.

    I think Pavarotti's comments here are spot-on, and the baritone gets it -- he just doesn't believe it.

  • only God is perfect

  • Brian Schexnayder later went on to have a run at the MET. He can be seen and heard in the Sextet from Luci di Lammermoor from the Met's Centennial Gala, October 22, 1983.

  • This baritone has his voice placed too far back in the throat. He will never project.

  • Yeah, Brian's pretty awesome. "Will never project?!" ...lordy...

    Watch him "never project" in the Turandot Placido/Marton DVD..

  • He sounded very monotone and I think Pav was trying to get him to change it up in certain parts.

  • This i not suppose to be a singing lesson. Pav can not teach some1 in 15mins what he's been practising for years. I understand evrything he says here and if u r a singer u r suppose to understand the languge of singing which is not english or ny other language in a way.

    #

  • I believe he makes some very good points. The difficulty, of course, is his trouble with english. Pavarotti has never been a technician, his voice was one of those rare gems that needed very little work to really be polished, so he doesn't have the technical insight that, say, Alfredo Kraus or Domingo have, but on the level of performance and interpretation, and dynamics, his advice is solid gold.

  • pavarotti has never been a technician! read a bio! he ONLY vocalized for two straight years before his first teacher let him sing his first aria with him

  • I can tell what Pavarotti is trying to get across but I can see how it might be hard, if you are performing up there, to get everything he's saying, first because he has the accent and knows what he wants to say, but, sometimes doesn't say it in a way that makes total sense in English, but, also because when you are performing for freakin Luciano Pavarotti, you're gonna be nervous and, sometimes, nerves get in the way of registering everything someone is telling you.

  • Watching this video again, I find that Pavarotti's tips are pure genius : he advises the baritone to sing pianissimo in order to "trick" the audience into the aria, and this is exactly what Germont does, appearing weak and old to trick his son into his affection again. Pav's instincts are really mind blowing, this is a very good masterclass, thx 007.

  • ...cont..Some people are just lazy asses that were born to criticize and some others were born with the gift of singing, it is very easy to open your big mouth to critique, but I want to see you open you big mouth to sing as Pavarotti and see who does it better.

  • Amen.

  • With all my respect to you all, and specific for the ones that are throwing comments that point out Pavarotti as not a good teacher and with poor pedagogy, ok, you must be better singers I believe as you have the morale and the deep and profound knowledge and expertise in vocal technique than Pavarotti..cont..

  • exactly right. the point of a masterclass is not to teach specifically technique, but rather--to teach. whether it be style, diction, technique...

  • Well, speaking as someone who's sung in quite a few masterclasses, I can say that they are NOT meant to TEACH TECHNIQUE per se. I watched Marilyn Horne in a masterclass, and she only had a few little things to say about technique (and NO one can deny that's one thing she had in spades). Masterclasses are more like coaching than anything else. Pav is fine as a coach.

  • Does anyone know the title of this piece?

    It's beautiful and I would like to get the music for it.

  • "Di Provenza il mar, il suol", it's an aria of Germont La Traviata, I think at the end of act II.

  • End of Act II, Scene I.

  • I don't quite agree with the negative comments. I think Pavarotti's idea of singing the beginning of the 2nd part pianissimo in order to trick the audience into the aria then going piu forte is excellent, and it's true that the baritone lacks nuance. The singer's instinct is just a very hard thing to communicate, but Pav tries his best, and it's already a lot.

  • Agreed.

  • Ok. I have one thing to say to the ones that say: those who can't do teach and vice versa. He is not teaching any singing here. Teaching singing, is teaching how to sing. He is merely giving tips on expresive interpretation, and frankly I think he is very sensible in what he has to say.

  • The year is 1979, Luciano is a young teacher, it's normal that he's not so good.

  • it's not easy for a true artist to express himself...a true musician is unique in his artistry and cannot truly "teach" his art...he can influence...but teaching is different

  • Of course art can be taught. Technique, in both the artistic medium and in its presentation or performance, can be taught. Of COURSE to really excel one must be unique and talented. But a teacher can help the student hone the tools he or she needs to develop and put across their unique expression and interpretation.

  • yes you are such a DUMB! i can't believe what a dumb you are. just a huge, big dumb.

  • lolol

  • I like Pavarotti very much but when he sing,not when is teaching how to sing. It's clear that you are a beginer and a dumb

  • What a good Conduducter but such a foul teacher.:))

  • We get it. You don't like Pavarotti, but stop being an idiot. He's a fine teacher, considering he's teaching professionals.

  • He's as foul teacher as you're a correct speller lol

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