The "tens of millions" of conservative Christians who want to outlaw abortion need to find a way to ADOPT each and everyone of the 700,000+ UNWANTED children currently without loving homes, and pledge to adopt each and everyone of the otherwise aborted children born to mothers whom they want to FORCE to carry and give birth to unwanted babies.
Provide the Utopia in which your self-righteous laws can be carried out. No prison terms and without OTHERS doing all the suffering!
i would love to know why these jesus loving maggots who foam at the mouth over abortion are always the same demographic that is giddy to go to war and slaughter people in places like iraq, afghanistan etc etc the list is never ending. where are the jesus loving christians when it comes to murdering people with unmanned drones? where are the protests?
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At least Sarah Palin practices what she preaches, not like that hypocrite Hillary Clinton. It was DISGUSTING the way Hillary Clinton's teenage daughter got into all that trouble, with the underage drinking and the teen pregnancy and the academic problems. See, LIBERALS RAISE UNDERACHIEVERS! Not like the Repubblicans. Their children are kids America can be PROUD OF!!
Abortion is most definitely the killing of a full human being already present at the moment of conception. There is no debate. The only question is what kind of society would systematically sanction the deliberate obfuscation of the known science to assist in the convenience culture of western society? Why are we in this mess?
Read 'The Attempted Murder of God:Hidden Science You Really Need To Know'
It's a woman's decision and hers alone. CHOICE is the only way to go and overwhelmingly women who are given a CHOICE chose to carry to term and give birth.
Sarah Palin did not immediately decide to carry her down syndrome child to term. She eventually decided to give birth, but not right away. Please admit that there is a small degree of hypocrisy here!
FORCE is not an option. No woman can be FORCED to abort, and no woman should be FORCED not to.
Sarah Palin is in love with herself. She has brainwashed herself into believing God adores her, too, and has made her His instrument of power over the American People.
Religion was invented so uneducated fools can have endless conversations where they are always right.
The higher the IQ, the less likely someone will cling to superstition, mythology and dogma. Intelligent people prefer reality to man made fantasy.
Im sorry. I am not being sarcastic. but i would do anything to take care of a child.the only exception might be if the child had some kind of horrific disease short of elephantitus!
I mean; theres always adoption!
short of that I see it as just a lack of personal responsibility. have you ever had an abortion?
im just saying that if I knew that I had a baby coming I would go out and get TWO fucking jobs to make sure that that child were taken care of. ii never put anybody BENEATH me ! i dont know why you are using quotations. Wouldnt you do EVERY THING to take care of your own flesh and blood?
I am just telling it like it is. if you choose to have an abortion than you are sucking a baby out of your pussy. if you choose to sugar coat it or hide behind a technicality then so be it.I dont appreciate you insulting my integrity. if you want a debate, I am glad to listen to your side.
"exceptions" no. I would do the right thing if my kid had two heads. I was just using that as an example. i certainly didnt mean to discriminate against people with actual fucking elephantitus! i'm glad to know that you wouldnt have an abortion.
No, FORCE IS GOOD! Women need to be forced to do things, sometimes sex, and ALWAYS having a baby! Women are the weaker sex, like Sarah Palin admits, and can't be trusted to make up their own minds. They need guidance of wiser people, like older men. In fact, society would be better off if we paired off teenage girls with older men, and forced them to breed!
So if you girls want to really abort a baby but you dont want to suck the baby out of your PUSSY; JUST GET YOUR BOYFRIEND to punch you in the lower stomach. that'll kill a baby real good!
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Baby Trigg appears to be little more than a fashionable accessory to Sarah when the cameras are rolling. She carried that poor baby around like a hand bag. Disgusting.
No woman can ever be forced to abort. No woman should ever be forced not to. The key word is FORCE. Replace it with CHOICE, and the vast majority of unplanned pregnancies still end in births.
Freedom must guarantee choice and protect from force. Insisting that their view must be forced on all is often quickly changed once the zero-tolerance crime fighters themselves are in a troublesome situation. Remember Rush's zero tolerance on druggies!
Hypocrisy is not a family value. Neither is bullying.
What will you have done with the hundreds of thousands of women who are guilty of terminating their pregnancies? What will you have done with the 700,000 unwanted children currently in State Care? What will you have done with the millions of additional unwanted children YOUR plan will create?
Are you living in some kind of imaginary Utopia where all is well by wishing for it? Deal with REALITY and come up with solutions that are actually realistic!
anybody who believes that a twelve year old girl who's been raped by her father and is having her father's baby AND shouldn't get an abortion is just SICK.
it is a rare occurance, and not as bad as so-called 'science' makes it out to be. most early human societies were veyr close-knit and inbred and they did not have this massive problem of 'four eyes and an ear on their knee'. if the girl was raped it may be bad but it was how god wanted it to be.
@johnny4463435 In what reality does God ever want a little girl to be raped? Certainly not the God I believe in. Evil people exercise their free will to hurt others. God doesn't make them do it.
Those slutty women should go to jail forever! They are MURDERERS! Sarah knows. She is the only possible candidate that God himself endorses. And all the libtards are TERRIFIED of her because she is a real woman not a stupid sleaxy feminist who wants to have sex and kill their babies.
Separation of church and state, I completely support a woman's right to choose whats inside her body. Most of the abortions are of low income financially irresponsible people anyways, do we really need more welfare recipients and bottom feeders? Abortion is also a good form of eugenics, aborting fetuses which show genetic defects such as Down's Syndrome. So please keep your religious crap out of the debate.
I'm so glad that she failed to reach the whitehouse! What with her attitudes to homosexuals, rape and incest victims, the teaching of evolution in schools, wolves, polar bears, whales, the environment etc, she's sending Alaska back to the stone age!
Prolifers I support you all IF you are willing to Adopt.
Also, if you were not hypocrits by paying hitmen that torture Billions of conscious mammals in factory farms for months and then kill them. You and these kids each harm 1000s of animals.
GoVeg (dot) com/theissues.asp also spells out how cooked flesh drastically contributes to World Hunger, destroys the Environment we all rely on and is the leading cause of human health deaths costing us all in health care.
What about rape? What about incest? These horrors defy descriptive condemnation. They represent the least human and most selfish acts imaginable - along with murder - and they deserve swift and severe punishment. A woman or girl abused by rape or incest should be seen promptly, evaluated with compassion and treated appropriately to prevent conception. Should pregnancy occur, the tragedy should not be compounded by another crime: Murdering the baby.
"you're asking if in from of me were legislation, that I would be asked to sign?" Where did this interpretation come from? I don't think she was listening to the question and that's why she agreed.
This is so wrong. Even if it was just an abortion out of convenience, that's okay because it's not fair that a woman would have to pay the price for having casual sex but the man could pretty much just walk away as if nothing ever happened. I'm pro-choice, all the way. There are too many people in the world anyway, we're overpopulated and millions of kids don't even get adopted...
"This is so wrong. Even if it was just an abortion out of convenience, that's okay". Gabby, I'll ask you the same thing. Would it be okay if she terminated the child after he/she was born? Since it's not fair for her to "pay the price", as you put it? And since there are too many people in the world, and millions of kids can't get adopted?
That's totally different and you know it! Killing a live child is murder, an unborn fetus is different. It's not a living, breathing, thinking person. Don't twist things around. It's not fair for JUST THE WOMAN to be FORCED to pay the price. A man could just leave. The woman would HAVE to give birth if abortion was criminalized. I'm not saying everyone should be irresponsible, I'm just saying everyone makes mistakes and forcing a woman to have to take care of a kid alone isnt fair.
"That's totally different and you know it!" Is it? The newborn baby may be breathing, but there's not much more thought going on in that head than was going on before the umbilical cord was cut. If you tell the baby you are going to kill it, it won't understand you. If you stab it, the baby will be in pain--but so would a fetus. The baby certainly wouldn't understand that it's dying; babies have no self-awareness. You can kill a baby painlessly, be done with the problem, and no one really loses.
That horror you just experienced when you read what I typed just now? That's the same type of horror that runs through those in the Pro-Life camp. It's the unique combination of confusion and anger that we share, at how murder of innocents can be so casually justified.
derryyogi, you mentioned twice that this was an important issue for you. You said it was important to you as a Catholic, and you said it was too important an issue to say the things that I'm saying. If the issue is so important to you, will it have any impact at all on the way you vote this election?
Sarah will not blink if God gives Her the task to go to War !!! God understands that there wil be some civilian casualties ..Pregnant Womens Fetuses will have to be blown to bits along with their Mothers and their other children, or merely mutilated and crippled. The important thing is that Teenage girls raped by their Fathers do not have an Abortion !!!
There's so much ignorance about abortion, if only people knew more. Its a wonder how so many people can form opinions on abortion when they don't know what it is. I know its a hot-button issue but people on both sides need to stop beings governed by their emotions and start deciding based on the facts. If everyone knew the facts on abortion the controversy would disappear. Nearly all of the questions about abortion have already been answered. Educate yourself, go to abort73(dot)com
If you don't agree with abortion dont have one. If you do agree with a woman's right do decide to bring a life into this world, then you as a woman please exercise you legal right to an abortion or not. Woman of all walks of life have been faced with that decision. Including this so call conservative pro lifers who maybe cheated on a husband and got pregnant. Honestly you will never know the women who had one. They could be the women in your life that you love.
"Stop compaing civil rights to fetuses. They cannot be compared." Only if you stop comparing civil rights to Jews or blacks. Some people deserve equality, but some living humans very clearly are NOT people, so they don't deserve those rights.
Whoa. I just said some horrible, illogical things. Those are the kinds of things I hear when the Pro-Choice camp talks.
Seriously BaronGrackle whilst you have strong views on this subject, as do I as a Catholic. Your statement about the Pro-Choice camp are inflamatory it's an issue that realistically no politician will do anything major about and that includes Sarah Palin if she got near the White House. After all did those darlings of the evangical churches Regan or Bush jnr do anything major? Nope. So just agree to disagree, you're giving Pro-Life liberals a bad name and this to important an issue for that.
"After all did those darlings of the evangical churches Regan or Bush jnr do anything major? Nope." They appointed Supreme Court justices. In Gonzales v. Carhart, the court voted 5 to 4 that the federal law banning Partial-Birth abortion WAS constitutional. Newly appointed justices were key to the decision. Nearly all Democratic politicians disgreed with it, including Obama. Obama has promised to sign the Freedom of Choice Act, which expands the killings. Things can change, one way or the other.
If my tone is inflammatory, it's because people probably are inflamed to hear that a living human individual is alive. The opposite view doesn't make sense. There is no scientific backing to it. It's based only on a philosophy of convenience. And, it's causing millions of people to die. One side of this argument uses the scientific definition of life. The other side uses a philosophical, emotional one. I think we all need to make sure our side is on the right end.
Re FOC act, come on we know it's political, the left has to support abortion cause you guys make so much pro-life noise. The Reps have to a candidate on the ticket to entice the evangicals to vote (they won Bush both terms). There are pro-life Repubicans who support Obama listing his father's day speech as an example of his opposition on moral grounds. If you're serious, and not just being political, we can work together, but with Palin being political, you lose us. Both sides need to wise up.
"Re FOC act, come on we know it's political, the left has to support abortion cause you guys make so much pro-life noise." If Obama didn't receive a 100% approval from NARAL or Planned Parenthood, or if he didn't promise to make abortion even more accessible, or if he hadn't spoken out against the ban on late-term abortions, or if he hadn't voted against the Illinois Born ALIVE Infant Protection Act, guys like me wouldn't make as much pro-life noise. The truth is the Reps don't have to work...
very hard to win the pro-lifers, because the Dems alienate their party to them. I know about the Pro-Life Democrats, but they have no party voice. The Dems practically booted my wife and I toward the Reps. Obama can give a nice speech about how fathers need to be involved with their children, but that doesn't make it moral to allow the killing of children that aren't wanted. Is there any politician who DOESN'T think fathers should be involved with their children?
Hey BaronGrackle it's your own party members who are supporting Obama and talking about his father's day speech, and they're pro-life! What that says about McCain I leave others to judge, however both parties use the issue for political capitial. Republicans for their ideologicals, the Dems use the Woman's group's, I'm sick of it being used politically. Pro-Life dems are still dems cause we judge over a range of issues including social justice, stem cell research, foreign policy and yes abortion
"Pro-Life dems are still dems cause we judge over a range of issues including social justice, stem cell research, foreign policy and yes abortion." Well, maybe we agree on a lot of things. But, if Obama gets elected tonight, I don't think he's going to listen to Pro-Life Democrats or Republicans.
Yes we probably agree on a fair few issues, and I can understand that you can't vote Dem because of abortion (maybe other issues as well). If Senator Obama wins tonight as I pray he does (imo he cud be a great president), I pray he'll try to introduce educational programs on abortion before anyone could get one, and that we'll get to a situation where there are far less abortions not just in America but throughout the world by the time of the next election. Anyway all the best and gud luck mate
I absolutely hate this creepy poor excuse for a woman. Palin is just another big oil ass kissing pistol shooting wolf killing I got mine so screw you sociopath. Shame on the republican party for shoving Palin down our throats. America , wake up and smell the bullshit. Vote Obama!
Lazy assholes. buy a rubber then you don't have to worry about it.....welfare scum too cheap to buy condoms and then get the state to pay for abortion.....stupid assholes ENJOY killing babies......
it is not up to palin what a woman does w/her own body- much less up to some fucking tool of a man. when men sprout vaginas and get pregnant within their own uteruses, they may only then have opinions on the subject. I remain PRO LIFE personally, but PRO CHOICE for you
False logic. Can you decide what a Southern slaveowner can do with his own property? Can you decide what a Germany Nazi can do with his own country? Are you allowed to have an opinion on the subject, even though you're not a German or an American southerner from that time period? You heard that trash from the Pro-Abortion group, but it's not a real argument. It's silly.
you are a young male who will never bare children and also will never decide the fate of my unborn child - so, as I said, until all dumb-ass the tool men (who claim to be) in control,
"you are a young male who will never bare children and also will never decide the fate of my unborn child" It doesn't matter that I'm a male, and you know it. Sarah Palin is a woman who thinks people shouldn't be able to kill their unborn children, and you call her a tool. Barack Obama is a male who thinks people should be able to kill their children even if they accidentally survive birth, and you seem to support him all the way. So don't say that our opinion has to do with male or female.
It is not so cut and dry Baron. Why is this issue so important to you. As long as life happens unfair things will happen. Bush has made no attempt to get rid of every clinic b/c in this day and age the country would hang him for it. Abortion is necessary.
"It is not so cut and dry Baron. Why is this issue so important to you. As long as life happens unfair things will happen." This issue is so important because people are being killed, only because they aren't recognized as people. The issue is cut and dry because people are being killed, and the only reason it is tolerated is because an idiotic movement pretends that no people are involved. Writing it off as "unfair things will happen" is awful, is negligent. And listen to what your argument is:
we do realize people are involved. it is the prolifers who seem to only acknowledge the fetus in this situation. they completely forget the fact that pregnancy involves a womans body just as much. it is ignorant to not see this as an issue concerning women. how could it not? it is their body that is pregnant.
We say abortion is wrong. You say it is choice. We say it isn't choice, since it is killing someone else. You say it isn't killing. We say that there's no scientific way of denying that the unborn is living and human. You say... that unfair things happen, so deal with it. That is terrible rationale. It's the kind that keeps atrocities happening, in a small corner where we don't have to look at them very often.
"So what do you propose...jail time for ppl who have had them." Most of the people who have them don't know all that's going on, so education is a good first step. Women going into abortions have less information given on what the procedure is than for any other medical practive; the Pro-Choice group fights to keep it that way. They feel that describing a procedure to someone takes away that person's choice. To your jailtime question, I'd imagine the doctors more culpable anyway.
So is that a yes or no? The majority of women who have them know they are ending a life. Educating them further will not stop unintended pregnancies. After all many people get pregnant from failed contraception.
the point is ANYONE can be a nazi or a slave owner. pregnancy is biologically a womans domain for she is the only one who can experience it. men do not have to live in fear of being unwantedly pregnant. barack obama is pro choice meaning he UNDERSTANDS that because he is a man, his knowledge of this subject is limited. you have to be a fool to not recognize that a womans body comes into play here. it is her body after all that is pregnant.
"Ur comaparing apples and oranges, that is "False logic"" Oh yeah? Give me one example, other than abortion, in which someone can be in favor of keeping something legal without being said to SUPPORT it. You can't just say "apples and oranges" and then walk off like the point is automatically proven for you.
the motives for slavery and abortion are differant. slave owners dont do it to protect their physical health or life nor do they do it to regain physical autonomy after being raped. slaves are physiologically autonomous selves who are not imposing their bodies upon anyone else. a fetus's existence is extremally invasive for a woman. forcing pregnancy on a woman is more vile than forcing sex for the repercussions are graver for all those involved.
clearly pro-choice people disagree with palin's position but i doubt many of them would go so far as to back obama and deny medical attention to born babies who were unsuccessfully aborted and instead let them die in a janitor's closet... pro-choice and infanticide are two incredibly different levels of "disrespect" for human life
Pro Life people r so delightful to talk to. They care about life and making sure babies stay alive, they'd kill u to show ya how much life means to them.
But being serious for a min. u got all ur beliefs from ur Yahoo nursery rhyme book the bible right?
Swell. So i remember when God kills all the first born in Egypt. Doesn't that make him like the best abortion doctor ever. Moses's backyard abortion NO FETUS CAN BEAT US.
"But being serious for a min. u got all ur beliefs from ur Yahoo nursery rhyme book the bible right?" Pro-Lifers believe that every human being has the natural right to life. If secular morality folk don't agree with this tenet, then it's only more sad for them.
"Who says all those non-aborted babies would live? Many might never be born because the mothers kill themselves or die during illegal abortions." Poor logic. You're saying that non-aborted babies might not live anyway, because they might get aborted. In which case, they wouldn't be non-aborted in the first place.
I would recommend Implanon for all sexually active women who don't want to get pregnant . Prevention is better than cure . It's also much cheaper than raising an unwanted child or having an abortion . Is birth control free in America ?
Could you imagine being forced to give birth to a rapist's seed? How much resentment would a mother have, knowing that a rapists disgusting seed was growing inside of her?
"Could you imagine being forced to give birth to a rapist's seed? How much resentment would a mother have, knowing that a rapists disgusting seed was growing inside of her?" So you would kill the baby, but let the rapist live? That'll show him.
im fine with killing the rapist. you obviously are ignorant about the affects of rape and what happens to a woman mentally and physically after such an ordeal. this isnt about wanting to kill babies. this is about treating a rape victim like a human being and not some brood mare. you have no idea what it is like for someone to steal your body from you and then to be told that you have to continue your victimization for another 9 months against your will.
"isnt about wanting to kill babies. this is about treating a rape victim like a human being and not some brood mare." So if the woman doesn't report the pregnancy until the baby is viable and could be born early, then should she be allowed to kill the child then, or should she have to give birth? How long does the woman have the right to kill the child, and at what point has that right expired?
i would have no problems with taking out the child once it is viable even if it is premature. the issue to me is medical sovereignty, the right to decide what goes into my body, what comes out of my body and what gets to stay inside my body. if there was a way to remove the embryo without it dying and transferring it to someone else, i would be all for that bu the technology doesnt exist yet. if she didnt report the pregnancy until viability, she should still have herself induced.
"i would have no problems with taking out the child once it is viable even if it is premature." Okay, imagine that the child is viable, but the woman still doesn't want him to be born. She wants to abort instead. Would you still grant her that right?
no because it is not a concern of her body and is not imposing itself upon her. i support women having control over their bodies. if it can exist outside her womb, it is not a part of her body.
Ah, but it is still in her body. So long as the umbilical cord is still there, it is still connected to her, and you would still be imposing your will on her body. My suspicion is that you would force her to give birth because you believe that the slightly more developed child is a person, while the slightly less developed child is not.
if she doesnt want it in her body, fine remove it. she can remove it without killing it at this point. i would never want to force any women to give birth.
What if she doesn't WANT to remove him without killing him? What if she doesn't want the child living as a constant reminder of this event? Would she be allowed to remove the child BY killing him, even if he could be removed alive?
"no the child can be removed and placed somewhere far away where she never has to see or hear from him again." She says no. The child is in her body right now. She claims that it is her body, and she has the right to remove anything in it. She doesn't want the baby to grow up because he will constantly remind her of this event. She claims to have the right to prevent this. What would you tell this woman to convince her that she does NOT have the right to kill the child in her womb?
if it can survive on its own then let it. take it out of her womb and send it far far away and make sure the adoptive parents know the circumstances and make sure the kid never tries to contact her.
"if it can survive on its own then let it. take it out of her womb and send it far far away". I think you've now acknowledged that this is not about choice. If it were about choice, then you would believe the mother had the right to terminate the child at anytime. You seem to believe it is about life foremost... but I just can't agree with your requirements to how far the child has developed.
Besides, we are entering an era (6.6+ billion people) where limiting births will soon become a rule, not an option. Anti-abortion rights folks tend to have a problem with scope and economic/social/environmental responsibility. Too often, the list includes limiting access to sex education and birth control, creating shame around the idea of sex in general - keeps women from taking precautions that would prevent the need to make that heaviest of choices in the first place.
"Anti-abortion rights folks tend to have a problem with scope and economic/social/environmental responsibility." Pro-abortion rights folks tend to be all about economic and environmental responsibility when we talk about the unborn. When it comes to newborns, though, no environmental or overpopulation problem in the world will convince them that it should be legal to kill them. Generally the same with rapists and other criminals. Which is fine; but, why is the compassion so randomly limited?
Where should we draw the line? On one side, you have infanticide, on the other you have mourning every menstrual cycle as a loss. Personally, if you're 5-6 months pregnant, you procrastinated too long and no longer have a choice - but at 4 weeks? When your body has only known you're pregnant for 10-14 days? When there's no garuntee that the baby is viable or genetically sound or anything? Realllllly? Is that still murder? I have a hard time with that. Potential life, is just that. Potential.
"Where should we draw the line? On one side, you have infanticide, on the other you have mourning every menstrual cycle as a loss." You draw the line at the moment that a distinct, living homo sapien exists with its own DNA. Not everyone mourns the death of an newborn as much as they mourn the death of teenager or young adult; that doesn't mean one is more human than the other.
"Potential life, is just that. Potential." Look up the word "cell" sometime. Name me something that grows and develops but is not yet living. Explain how an organism becomes human at the moment of being born, or developing brain waves, or a heartbeat, or viability, whichever your camp of Pro-Abortion dictates. A newborn baby has great potential for life, but it is already alive. The same is with an unborn.
"as far as i'm concerned..its a leech until it can survive w/o me" Don't worry about tossing that newborn in a dumpster then, either.
What you meant was when the child can survive outside of a woman's body. So what happens when we have the technology to keep a fetus alive outside its mother? Then, will the fetus suddenly be alive?
Do you argue with Pro-Choicers who believe they can still kill an unborn past the third trimester, when he/she can survive apart from the mother? I have doubts.
Yes, but there's so much support to the Pro-Life position that we don't need to sling insults. :) People don't choose to be Pro-Abortion because they're evil or dumb; society has lied to them, especially here in the U.S. and in Europe. To the point that they're shocked at the very idea of making it illegal to kill the unborn.
I was quite polite before she was rude to me . Apparently I can't use the internet because America invented it , so I now want everyone who isn't British to stop driving cars ! How fucking ridiculous does that sound ?
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oh I can take them. but theres nothing to say to a self deceptive person like you who does what they tell others not to...and say its ok for u to do it but not others
you're a waste of space..please get over me and find someone else to whine to
I see you've removed my comment and barred me from commenting on your page . Nice to know I irritated you and I'll assume you couldn't make up an intelligent argument to my statement ! llf
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"Pro-abortion rights folks tend to be all about economic and environmental responsibility when we talk about the unborn. When it comes to newborns, though, no environmental or overpopulation problem in the world will convince them that it should be legal to kill them"
you are so silly. calling prochoice people proabortion. Look up the prefix pro sometime...then you refer to fetuses as unborn babies. You are a sap and need to twist words because reality doesnt support what you spew. sad
Look, the problem with rights is that they are almost always uncomfortable or inconvenient for someone. If you believe what you do about childbirth and conception, then you should act accordingly. However, if a woman is in a situation where she does not feel she can adequately care for her child, refuses to put the child into our crappy adoption system, refuses to put the child into misery or dangerous environment, she has the *RIGHT* to make a different decision. Get over it.
I know I've been posting a lot here, but I just get frustrated because the issue doesn't seem to have nearly as much grey as it has inconvenience. There is a human mother, and a human father. They create a living organism inside the mother. When that organism comes out of the mother, everyone agrees he/she is also a human. Some feel he/she is not human until he/she has nerves. Some say brain waves. Some say heartbeat. My question is, what animal would this creature be before it "becomes" human?
I'm not for father-daughter sex but her baby is sacred and should have the same chance to grow up and have sex with his or her family, Katie. The daughter should be shamed by my statewide clinics for tempting her father or stepfather into letting them make orgasms in her. That is what my daughter learned and look at how well she did when she rode on that hockey bus for 5 straight weeks. I hope the USA is ready for more mavericks like us from Alaska who disagree with furthering women's rights.
Aack, this is getting ugly, yet I can't help but join the discussion. The Q that everyone is arguing over is whether or not a fetus is, in fact a human. If you're passionately P-L or P-C, you'll probably have an immediate answer, but unfortunately, there are so many shades of grey here. Is an embryo a person? Or does a baby gain human-status after it has a nervous system and can therefore feel and sense its environment? I've struggled with this too, so it's really important to be open-minded!!!
"Or does a baby gain human-status after it has a nervous system and can therefore feel and sense its environment?" I appreciate that you've struggled with this question, arbutusviper, but the definition of homo sapien has been made for us. The unborn has human DNA distinct from the mother's. The unborn has the 46 chromosome count that all humans have their full lives. If the unborn is not a human, then what sort of creature is he/she? (sex is also decided at conception)
"The line that divides is the belief in the soul". The question then becomes, are you the type to avoid swatting a bug, because it is equal to a person? Or are you the type to swat a person, because it is equal to a bug?
"Once you're out the womb, it's every fetus for itself!" U.S. law would send me to jail for harming a newborn, under Democratic or Republican administrations. But the Pro-Choice group maintains its logically unsupportable position that a living human is not a living human until it leaves the womb. That's not science; it's not logic; it's just murder for convenience.
Do you have any idea how many unwanted babies would be born if they were all carried to term? The adoption waiting list would be swallowed up so quickly, and then what? This is part of why I keep saying the best we can do is KEEP IT LEGAL for the safety of the women, and do our best to reduce the number of abortions by promoting contraception and alternative options such as adoption.
You need to look at the bigger picture, at the consequences. Your kind of thinking is what lead to...
...funding being pulled for sexual health clinics in third world countries, which leads to an increase in things like HIV and AIDS without readily available contraception, and a lot more babies being born into an environment that is incredibly poor living conditions, and more babies means more mouths to feed, means less progress in helping the people that are there.
Besides all of that, what do you suggest we do to stop abortions? Put the women in jail for 1st degree murder?
The "tens of millions" of conservative Christians who want to outlaw abortion need to find a way to ADOPT each and everyone of the 700,000+ UNWANTED children currently without loving homes, and pledge to adopt each and everyone of the otherwise aborted children born to mothers whom they want to FORCE to carry and give birth to unwanted babies.
Provide the Utopia in which your self-righteous laws can be carried out. No prison terms and without OTHERS doing all the suffering!
zerogullibility 3 months ago
PRO LIFE! Only way.
paulinakubuntu 3 months ago
WHAT A BITCH!!!!!
Theres a lot of rape victims in the world fucking bitch
ragdoll485 8 months ago
i would love to know why these jesus loving maggots who foam at the mouth over abortion are always the same demographic that is giddy to go to war and slaughter people in places like iraq, afghanistan etc etc the list is never ending. where are the jesus loving christians when it comes to murdering people with unmanned drones? where are the protests?
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thestopgayhatelist 1 year ago
Women fighting for the right to kill their unborn babies. What a scary thing to think of!
lillybellebutterfly1 1 year ago
It's an amazing thing that such brave people still exist and they have the courage to be politically incorect in these times, especially pro life.
lillybellebutterfly1 1 year ago
palin 2012
america is ******
greenhell666 1 year ago
At least Sarah Palin practices what she preaches, not like that hypocrite Hillary Clinton. It was DISGUSTING the way Hillary Clinton's teenage daughter got into all that trouble, with the underage drinking and the teen pregnancy and the academic problems. See, LIBERALS RAISE UNDERACHIEVERS! Not like the Repubblicans. Their children are kids America can be PROUD OF!!
PrudishFury 1 year ago
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Abortion is most definitely the killing of a full human being already present at the moment of conception. There is no debate. The only question is what kind of society would systematically sanction the deliberate obfuscation of the known science to assist in the convenience culture of western society? Why are we in this mess?
Read 'The Attempted Murder of God:Hidden Science You Really Need To Know'
byScrooby 1 year ago
It's a woman's decision and hers alone. CHOICE is the only way to go and overwhelmingly women who are given a CHOICE chose to carry to term and give birth.
Sarah Palin did not immediately decide to carry her down syndrome child to term. She eventually decided to give birth, but not right away. Please admit that there is a small degree of hypocrisy here!
FORCE is not an option. No woman can be FORCED to abort, and no woman should be FORCED not to.
Only one in billions of sperms become a baby!
live4entertainment 1 year ago
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Sarah Palin is in love with herself. She has brainwashed herself into believing God adores her, too, and has made her His instrument of power over the American People.
Religion was invented so uneducated fools can have endless conversations where they are always right.
The higher the IQ, the less likely someone will cling to superstition, mythology and dogma. Intelligent people prefer reality to man made fantasy.
live4entertainment 1 year ago
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Now utter gutter trash demands to be included in civil discussions. Don't think so, street thug!
live4entertainment 1 year ago
thats what it is right, titties?
sucking a baby out of your pussy?
if all you wanted to do is suck a baby out of your pussy, then who am i to stop you?right?
i mean, call it what it is!
i like the way you rhymed utter with gutter!
abombinreverse 1 year ago 7
call it a baby or a fetus. it doesnt matter. your still sucking it out of your pussy!
ahh yes, i can hear the vacuum cleaner now! Its another abortion!
abombinreverse 1 year ago 7
I mean, dont be a hypocrit!
its your choice! stand up and be proud of sucking a baby out of your stinky pussy!
abombinreverse 1 year ago 12
@abombinreverse
(Nervous laugh)
plusplusplusplusp 1 year ago
you got punked!
bitterlikemyheart 1 year ago 4
Im sorry. I am not being sarcastic. but i would do anything to take care of a child.the only exception might be if the child had some kind of horrific disease short of elephantitus!
I mean; theres always adoption!
short of that I see it as just a lack of personal responsibility. have you ever had an abortion?
abombinreverse 1 year ago 5
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live4entertainment 1 year ago
im just saying that if I knew that I had a baby coming I would go out and get TWO fucking jobs to make sure that that child were taken care of. ii never put anybody BENEATH me ! i dont know why you are using quotations. Wouldnt you do EVERY THING to take care of your own flesh and blood?
abombinreverse 1 year ago 6
I am just telling it like it is. if you choose to have an abortion than you are sucking a baby out of your pussy. if you choose to sugar coat it or hide behind a technicality then so be it.I dont appreciate you insulting my integrity. if you want a debate, I am glad to listen to your side.
abombinreverse 1 year ago 5
That's right! Because a fertilized edgg is just as much of a baby as a baby is!
PrudishFury 1 year ago 2
"exceptions" no. I would do the right thing if my kid had two heads. I was just using that as an example. i certainly didnt mean to discriminate against people with actual fucking elephantitus! i'm glad to know that you wouldnt have an abortion.
abombinreverse 1 year ago 5
now THERE is a man with integrity!
johnnywishbone4 1 year ago
No, FORCE IS GOOD! Women need to be forced to do things, sometimes sex, and ALWAYS having a baby! Women are the weaker sex, like Sarah Palin admits, and can't be trusted to make up their own minds. They need guidance of wiser people, like older men. In fact, society would be better off if we paired off teenage girls with older men, and forced them to breed!
PrudishFury 1 year ago 2
So if you girls want to really abort a baby but you dont want to suck the baby out of your PUSSY; JUST GET YOUR BOYFRIEND to punch you in the lower stomach. that'll kill a baby real good!
abombinreverse 1 year ago 5
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Baby Trigg appears to be little more than a fashionable accessory to Sarah when the cameras are rolling. She carried that poor baby around like a hand bag. Disgusting.
live4entertainment 1 year ago
Hey Sarah - A woman is more than a fetus!
MurkeyMikey 2 years ago
No woman can ever be forced to abort. No woman should ever be forced not to. The key word is FORCE. Replace it with CHOICE, and the vast majority of unplanned pregnancies still end in births.
Freedom must guarantee choice and protect from force. Insisting that their view must be forced on all is often quickly changed once the zero-tolerance crime fighters themselves are in a troublesome situation. Remember Rush's zero tolerance on druggies!
Hypocrisy is not a family value. Neither is bullying.
live4entertainment 2 years ago
yeah! if a woman wants to get a baby sucked out of her pussy, and killed, she should be able to right!
i mean its only a baby that you are sucking out of your pussy right?
its not like its a real person.
abombinreverse 1 year ago
What will you have done with the hundreds of thousands of women who are guilty of terminating their pregnancies? What will you have done with the 700,000 unwanted children currently in State Care? What will you have done with the millions of additional unwanted children YOUR plan will create?
Are you living in some kind of imaginary Utopia where all is well by wishing for it? Deal with REALITY and come up with solutions that are actually realistic!
live4entertainment 1 year ago
What do you mean MY plan?
I dont have a plan. im on your side! I support getting a baby(or fetus) out of your pussy!
why should anybody care what you do with your pussy?
if you want to suck a baby out of your pussy then suck a baby out of your pussy!
I'm on your side!
I used to just punch my girlfriend in the stomach when I would knock her up. its easier!
abombinreverse 1 year ago 4
That's a great song, thatisabigten4. It totally states the truth about the issue and about America as a hole.
Jortini8994 2 years ago
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"we dont need to kill our unborns. we want them to grow up and fight our wars."
thatisabigten4 2 years ago
anybody who believes that a twelve year old girl who's been raped by her father and is having her father's baby AND shouldn't get an abortion is just SICK.
marspower1 2 years ago
No her father should be put in prison and the child should be put up for adoption.
It's still a human being
hurlockbros 2 years ago
The father is the one that's guilty and not the girl nor the baby.
Woman having an abortion due to rape is less than 1%. Majority of abortion is due to careless act.
adreecage 2 years ago
it is a rare occurance, and not as bad as so-called 'science' makes it out to be. most early human societies were veyr close-knit and inbred and they did not have this massive problem of 'four eyes and an ear on their knee'. if the girl was raped it may be bad but it was how god wanted it to be.
johnny4463435 2 years ago
@johnny4463435 In what reality does God ever want a little girl to be raped? Certainly not the God I believe in. Evil people exercise their free will to hurt others. God doesn't make them do it.
jroxbaby 1 year ago
throw the women and abortionists in prison for life.
xj2yzz 2 years ago
Those slutty women should go to jail forever! They are MURDERERS! Sarah knows. She is the only possible candidate that God himself endorses. And all the libtards are TERRIFIED of her because she is a real woman not a stupid sleaxy feminist who wants to have sex and kill their babies.
ForcedBirther 2 years ago
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Separation of church and state, I completely support a woman's right to choose whats inside her body. Most of the abortions are of low income financially irresponsible people anyways, do we really need more welfare recipients and bottom feeders? Abortion is also a good form of eugenics, aborting fetuses which show genetic defects such as Down's Syndrome. So please keep your religious crap out of the debate.
scata99 2 years ago
More GOVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV. in my life just what i neededddddddddddddddddddd.
Bababooooooooooooooooooooooey
HowardSternn 2 years ago
I'm so glad that she failed to reach the whitehouse! What with her attitudes to homosexuals, rape and incest victims, the teaching of evolution in schools, wolves, polar bears, whales, the environment etc, she's sending Alaska back to the stone age!
390904902 2 years ago 17
the only thing she said that I liked was on evolution where she said that it should be taught as an accepted principle.
femmefatale1990 2 years ago 3
I agree.
390904902 2 years ago
go palin didnt even understand the question!!! duh.... I do support the pro life agenda though
sandroeleven 2 years ago
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maryshybossy 3 years ago
obama rules!
NaomiKnight 3 years ago 4
Well assassins are cool so you think Obama's the coolest person in America?
Tylonous 3 years ago
assassins....what about palin, what about bush...
sandroeleven 2 years ago
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Prolifers I support you all IF you are willing to Adopt.
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houstonhelpanimals 2 years ago
This woman is an embarrassment to her state and her country. Why does she have any power period? She needs to go away forever.
Tylonous 3 years ago
i agree
i think sara palin is an evil bitch
NaomiKnight 3 years ago
Let's sick wolves in a helicopter on her.
Tylonous 3 years ago 3
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Tylonous 2 years ago
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What about rape? What about incest? These horrors defy descriptive condemnation. They represent the least human and most selfish acts imaginable - along with murder - and they deserve swift and severe punishment. A woman or girl abused by rape or incest should be seen promptly, evaluated with compassion and treated appropriately to prevent conception. Should pregnancy occur, the tragedy should not be compounded by another crime: Murdering the baby.
unashamedevangelist 3 years ago
Abortion sends children to heaven faster!!
screech519 3 years ago 3
Oh lol, how true. Well, in that case, doesn't everybody win when abortion is considered? :D
EverybodysGrudge 3 years ago
Yes, the last question of the interviewer!
What is her finally concrete answer?
Aren't there any bigger problems in Alaska to make such a populism to get voters?
Thorralf83 3 years ago
"you're asking if in from of me were legislation, that I would be asked to sign?" Where did this interpretation come from? I don't think she was listening to the question and that's why she agreed.
Mplay1983 3 years ago 3
Gen 2:7 Then the Lord God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
Adam was not alive until God gave him breath.
Tabbi8407 3 years ago
"Adam was not alive until God gave him breath." A Bible quote? :)
Adam also wasn't born. Meanwhile, John leapt in his womb when Elizabeth crossed paths with Mary, Jesus inside her.
You can explain the wrongs of abortion without citing the Bible. But citing the Bible doesn't help the pro-choice argument, either.
BaronGrackle 3 years ago
This is so wrong. Even if it was just an abortion out of convenience, that's okay because it's not fair that a woman would have to pay the price for having casual sex but the man could pretty much just walk away as if nothing ever happened. I'm pro-choice, all the way. There are too many people in the world anyway, we're overpopulated and millions of kids don't even get adopted...
gabbyx93 3 years ago 3
"This is so wrong. Even if it was just an abortion out of convenience, that's okay". Gabby, I'll ask you the same thing. Would it be okay if she terminated the child after he/she was born? Since it's not fair for her to "pay the price", as you put it? And since there are too many people in the world, and millions of kids can't get adopted?
BaronGrackle 3 years ago
That's totally different and you know it! Killing a live child is murder, an unborn fetus is different. It's not a living, breathing, thinking person. Don't twist things around. It's not fair for JUST THE WOMAN to be FORCED to pay the price. A man could just leave. The woman would HAVE to give birth if abortion was criminalized. I'm not saying everyone should be irresponsible, I'm just saying everyone makes mistakes and forcing a woman to have to take care of a kid alone isnt fair.
gabbyx93 3 years ago 2
"That's totally different and you know it!" Is it? The newborn baby may be breathing, but there's not much more thought going on in that head than was going on before the umbilical cord was cut. If you tell the baby you are going to kill it, it won't understand you. If you stab it, the baby will be in pain--but so would a fetus. The baby certainly wouldn't understand that it's dying; babies have no self-awareness. You can kill a baby painlessly, be done with the problem, and no one really loses.
BaronGrackle 3 years ago
That horror you just experienced when you read what I typed just now? That's the same type of horror that runs through those in the Pro-Life camp. It's the unique combination of confusion and anger that we share, at how murder of innocents can be so casually justified.
BaronGrackle 3 years ago
Amen Sarah, amen.
ShAyAnDjAmEs09 3 years ago
aliceann76, I agree totally with you.
ABORTION:
-is an ILLEGAL
-HOMICIDE
-of INNOCENT BABIES
-by KILLERS and CRAZY people
God bless you
elizabethmcnam 3 years ago
Abortion is not illegal, lol. You know that? In America, it's legal. Get your facts straight!
gabbyx93 3 years ago
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ABORTION:
-Is an ILEGAL
-HOMICIDE
-of INNOCENT BABIES
-by CRAZY and MURDERER people
God bless you
aliceann76 3 years ago
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Why would RepubliC*NTS staunchly oppose abortion, even in INCEST and RAPE?
Where do you think RepubliC*NTS come from?
~Joe Marma
mavrek47 3 years ago
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sidewinderleftist 3 years ago 3
The question has to be rephrased for Sarah PALIN.
Maybe she cannot get over her beauty pageant career.
This is not another beauty competition, Sarah!
derrhewitt 3 years ago 2
derryyogi, you mentioned twice that this was an important issue for you. You said it was important to you as a Catholic, and you said it was too important an issue to say the things that I'm saying. If the issue is so important to you, will it have any impact at all on the way you vote this election?
BaronGrackle 3 years ago
fuck you palin i hope you fucking die, go to hell!!! even in cases of rape!!! fuck you, you fucking red neck
thecloudswillattack 3 years ago 2
Sarah will not blink if God gives Her the task to go to War !!! God understands that there wil be some civilian casualties ..Pregnant Womens Fetuses will have to be blown to bits along with their Mothers and their other children, or merely mutilated and crippled. The important thing is that Teenage girls raped by their Fathers do not have an Abortion !!!
ShalloeThought 3 years ago 2
TRUTH ALERT!
There's so much ignorance about abortion, if only people knew more. Its a wonder how so many people can form opinions on abortion when they don't know what it is. I know its a hot-button issue but people on both sides need to stop beings governed by their emotions and start deciding based on the facts. If everyone knew the facts on abortion the controversy would disappear. Nearly all of the questions about abortion have already been answered. Educate yourself, go to abort73(dot)com
HumanRights4Everyone 3 years ago
If you don't agree with abortion dont have one. If you do agree with a woman's right do decide to bring a life into this world, then you as a woman please exercise you legal right to an abortion or not. Woman of all walks of life have been faced with that decision. Including this so call conservative pro lifers who maybe cheated on a husband and got pregnant. Honestly you will never know the women who had one. They could be the women in your life that you love.
robertsc24 3 years ago
"If you don't agree with abortion dont have one." If you don't agree with the War in Iraq, don't volunteer to fight in it.
BaronGrackle 3 years ago
Name a single push for equality or greater civil rights that rallied around the phrase: "As long as life happens unfair things will happen."
BaronGrackle 3 years ago
Stop compaing civil rights to fetuses. They cannot be compared.
kmcl11 3 years ago
"Stop compaing civil rights to fetuses. They cannot be compared." Only if you stop comparing civil rights to Jews or blacks. Some people deserve equality, but some living humans very clearly are NOT people, so they don't deserve those rights.
Whoa. I just said some horrible, illogical things. Those are the kinds of things I hear when the Pro-Choice camp talks.
BaronGrackle 3 years ago
Seriously BaronGrackle whilst you have strong views on this subject, as do I as a Catholic. Your statement about the Pro-Choice camp are inflamatory it's an issue that realistically no politician will do anything major about and that includes Sarah Palin if she got near the White House. After all did those darlings of the evangical churches Regan or Bush jnr do anything major? Nope. So just agree to disagree, you're giving Pro-Life liberals a bad name and this to important an issue for that.
derryyogi 3 years ago
"After all did those darlings of the evangical churches Regan or Bush jnr do anything major? Nope." They appointed Supreme Court justices. In Gonzales v. Carhart, the court voted 5 to 4 that the federal law banning Partial-Birth abortion WAS constitutional. Newly appointed justices were key to the decision. Nearly all Democratic politicians disgreed with it, including Obama. Obama has promised to sign the Freedom of Choice Act, which expands the killings. Things can change, one way or the other.
BaronGrackle 3 years ago
If my tone is inflammatory, it's because people probably are inflamed to hear that a living human individual is alive. The opposite view doesn't make sense. There is no scientific backing to it. It's based only on a philosophy of convenience. And, it's causing millions of people to die. One side of this argument uses the scientific definition of life. The other side uses a philosophical, emotional one. I think we all need to make sure our side is on the right end.
BaronGrackle 3 years ago
Re FOC act, come on we know it's political, the left has to support abortion cause you guys make so much pro-life noise. The Reps have to a candidate on the ticket to entice the evangicals to vote (they won Bush both terms). There are pro-life Repubicans who support Obama listing his father's day speech as an example of his opposition on moral grounds. If you're serious, and not just being political, we can work together, but with Palin being political, you lose us. Both sides need to wise up.
derryyogi 3 years ago
"Re FOC act, come on we know it's political, the left has to support abortion cause you guys make so much pro-life noise." If Obama didn't receive a 100% approval from NARAL or Planned Parenthood, or if he didn't promise to make abortion even more accessible, or if he hadn't spoken out against the ban on late-term abortions, or if he hadn't voted against the Illinois Born ALIVE Infant Protection Act, guys like me wouldn't make as much pro-life noise. The truth is the Reps don't have to work...
BaronGrackle 3 years ago
very hard to win the pro-lifers, because the Dems alienate their party to them. I know about the Pro-Life Democrats, but they have no party voice. The Dems practically booted my wife and I toward the Reps. Obama can give a nice speech about how fathers need to be involved with their children, but that doesn't make it moral to allow the killing of children that aren't wanted. Is there any politician who DOESN'T think fathers should be involved with their children?
BaronGrackle 3 years ago
Hey BaronGrackle it's your own party members who are supporting Obama and talking about his father's day speech, and they're pro-life! What that says about McCain I leave others to judge, however both parties use the issue for political capitial. Republicans for their ideologicals, the Dems use the Woman's group's, I'm sick of it being used politically. Pro-Life dems are still dems cause we judge over a range of issues including social justice, stem cell research, foreign policy and yes abortion
derryyogi 3 years ago
"Pro-Life dems are still dems cause we judge over a range of issues including social justice, stem cell research, foreign policy and yes abortion." Well, maybe we agree on a lot of things. But, if Obama gets elected tonight, I don't think he's going to listen to Pro-Life Democrats or Republicans.
BaronGrackle 3 years ago
Yes we probably agree on a fair few issues, and I can understand that you can't vote Dem because of abortion (maybe other issues as well). If Senator Obama wins tonight as I pray he does (imo he cud be a great president), I pray he'll try to introduce educational programs on abortion before anyone could get one, and that we'll get to a situation where there are far less abortions not just in America but throughout the world by the time of the next election. Anyway all the best and gud luck mate
derryyogi 3 years ago
And congratulations, now, to you. I pray your hopes are met!
BaronGrackle 3 years ago
Thank you very much sir, you are a gentleman!
derryyogi 3 years ago
i dislike palin as anyone, but she has already stated that she does not believe that people who have abortions should be locked up
elevensmiles11 3 years ago
I absolutely hate this creepy poor excuse for a woman. Palin is just another big oil ass kissing pistol shooting wolf killing I got mine so screw you sociopath. Shame on the republican party for shoving Palin down our throats. America , wake up and smell the bullshit. Vote Obama!
earlsgirlblack 3 years ago
Lazy assholes. buy a rubber then you don't have to worry about it.....welfare scum too cheap to buy condoms and then get the state to pay for abortion.....stupid assholes ENJOY killing babies......
bigassbikerboy 3 years ago
oo that +tive comment is for Tommy to a non religious argument is a great one!
RepubliCANT311 3 years ago
maybe tommyc28 would like to raise all the babies born to dumb-asses and rape victims
desertrose204 3 years ago
it is not up to palin what a woman does w/her own body- much less up to some fucking tool of a man. when men sprout vaginas and get pregnant within their own uteruses, they may only then have opinions on the subject. I remain PRO LIFE personally, but PRO CHOICE for you
desertrose204 3 years ago
See you are a smart person, no religious bs, Just a straight face. And I agree with you
RepubliCANT311 3 years ago
False logic. Can you decide what a Southern slaveowner can do with his own property? Can you decide what a Germany Nazi can do with his own country? Are you allowed to have an opinion on the subject, even though you're not a German or an American southerner from that time period? You heard that trash from the Pro-Abortion group, but it's not a real argument. It's silly.
BaronGrackle 3 years ago
you are a young male who will never bare children and also will never decide the fate of my unborn child - so, as I said, until all dumb-ass the tool men (who claim to be) in control,
desertrose204 3 years ago
"you are a young male who will never bare children and also will never decide the fate of my unborn child" It doesn't matter that I'm a male, and you know it. Sarah Palin is a woman who thinks people shouldn't be able to kill their unborn children, and you call her a tool. Barack Obama is a male who thinks people should be able to kill their children even if they accidentally survive birth, and you seem to support him all the way. So don't say that our opinion has to do with male or female.
BaronGrackle 3 years ago
It is not so cut and dry Baron. Why is this issue so important to you. As long as life happens unfair things will happen. Bush has made no attempt to get rid of every clinic b/c in this day and age the country would hang him for it. Abortion is necessary.
kmcl11 3 years ago
"It is not so cut and dry Baron. Why is this issue so important to you. As long as life happens unfair things will happen." This issue is so important because people are being killed, only because they aren't recognized as people. The issue is cut and dry because people are being killed, and the only reason it is tolerated is because an idiotic movement pretends that no people are involved. Writing it off as "unfair things will happen" is awful, is negligent. And listen to what your argument is:
BaronGrackle 3 years ago
we do realize people are involved. it is the prolifers who seem to only acknowledge the fetus in this situation. they completely forget the fact that pregnancy involves a womans body just as much. it is ignorant to not see this as an issue concerning women. how could it not? it is their body that is pregnant.
leiapeison 3 years ago
We say abortion is wrong. You say it is choice. We say it isn't choice, since it is killing someone else. You say it isn't killing. We say that there's no scientific way of denying that the unborn is living and human. You say... that unfair things happen, so deal with it. That is terrible rationale. It's the kind that keeps atrocities happening, in a small corner where we don't have to look at them very often.
BaronGrackle 3 years ago
So what do you propose...jail time for ppl who have had them. How do we go about stopping these abortions that occur inside womens bodies?
kmcl11 3 years ago
"So what do you propose...jail time for ppl who have had them." Most of the people who have them don't know all that's going on, so education is a good first step. Women going into abortions have less information given on what the procedure is than for any other medical practive; the Pro-Choice group fights to keep it that way. They feel that describing a procedure to someone takes away that person's choice. To your jailtime question, I'd imagine the doctors more culpable anyway.
BaronGrackle 3 years ago
So is that a yes or no? The majority of women who have them know they are ending a life. Educating them further will not stop unintended pregnancies. After all many people get pregnant from failed contraception.
kmcl11 3 years ago
the point is ANYONE can be a nazi or a slave owner. pregnancy is biologically a womans domain for she is the only one who can experience it. men do not have to live in fear of being unwantedly pregnant. barack obama is pro choice meaning he UNDERSTANDS that because he is a man, his knowledge of this subject is limited. you have to be a fool to not recognize that a womans body comes into play here. it is her body after all that is pregnant.
leiapeison 3 years ago
Ur comaparing apples and oranges, that is "False logic"
mathisjames2008 3 years ago
"Ur comaparing apples and oranges, that is "False logic"" Oh yeah? Give me one example, other than abortion, in which someone can be in favor of keeping something legal without being said to SUPPORT it. You can't just say "apples and oranges" and then walk off like the point is automatically proven for you.
BaronGrackle 3 years ago
the motives for slavery and abortion are differant. slave owners dont do it to protect their physical health or life nor do they do it to regain physical autonomy after being raped. slaves are physiologically autonomous selves who are not imposing their bodies upon anyone else. a fetus's existence is extremally invasive for a woman. forcing pregnancy on a woman is more vile than forcing sex for the repercussions are graver for all those involved.
leiapeison 3 years ago
clearly pro-choice people disagree with palin's position but i doubt many of them would go so far as to back obama and deny medical attention to born babies who were unsuccessfully aborted and instead let them die in a janitor's closet... pro-choice and infanticide are two incredibly different levels of "disrespect" for human life
tommyc28 3 years ago
Aborted babies taste great fried with garlic and onions.
crazypdj 3 years ago
Pro Life people r so delightful to talk to. They care about life and making sure babies stay alive, they'd kill u to show ya how much life means to them.
But being serious for a min. u got all ur beliefs from ur Yahoo nursery rhyme book the bible right?
Swell. So i remember when God kills all the first born in Egypt. Doesn't that make him like the best abortion doctor ever. Moses's backyard abortion NO FETUS CAN BEAT US.
Ur book literal BURN.. Not Literal.. Burn
Religious People I WIN!
RepubliCANT311 3 years ago 2
"But being serious for a min. u got all ur beliefs from ur Yahoo nursery rhyme book the bible right?" Pro-Lifers believe that every human being has the natural right to life. If secular morality folk don't agree with this tenet, then it's only more sad for them.
BaronGrackle 3 years ago
Who says all those non-aborted babies would live? Many might never be born because the mothers kill themselves or die during illegal abortions.
If you want more people to work in the USA, changr immigration laws!
NataschaO 3 years ago
"Who says all those non-aborted babies would live? Many might never be born because the mothers kill themselves or die during illegal abortions." Poor logic. You're saying that non-aborted babies might not live anyway, because they might get aborted. In which case, they wouldn't be non-aborted in the first place.
BaronGrackle 3 years ago 2
Even in the case of rape? What?
erikjecar 3 years ago
I would recommend Implanon for all sexually active women who don't want to get pregnant . Prevention is better than cure . It's also much cheaper than raising an unwanted child or having an abortion . Is birth control free in America ?
portersbabe 3 years ago 23
Could you imagine being forced to give birth to a rapist's seed? How much resentment would a mother have, knowing that a rapists disgusting seed was growing inside of her?
FoodCubes 3 years ago 4
"Could you imagine being forced to give birth to a rapist's seed? How much resentment would a mother have, knowing that a rapists disgusting seed was growing inside of her?" So you would kill the baby, but let the rapist live? That'll show him.
BaronGrackle 3 years ago 2
im fine with killing the rapist. you obviously are ignorant about the affects of rape and what happens to a woman mentally and physically after such an ordeal. this isnt about wanting to kill babies. this is about treating a rape victim like a human being and not some brood mare. you have no idea what it is like for someone to steal your body from you and then to be told that you have to continue your victimization for another 9 months against your will.
leiapeison 3 years ago
"isnt about wanting to kill babies. this is about treating a rape victim like a human being and not some brood mare." So if the woman doesn't report the pregnancy until the baby is viable and could be born early, then should she be allowed to kill the child then, or should she have to give birth? How long does the woman have the right to kill the child, and at what point has that right expired?
BaronGrackle 3 years ago
i would have no problems with taking out the child once it is viable even if it is premature. the issue to me is medical sovereignty, the right to decide what goes into my body, what comes out of my body and what gets to stay inside my body. if there was a way to remove the embryo without it dying and transferring it to someone else, i would be all for that bu the technology doesnt exist yet. if she didnt report the pregnancy until viability, she should still have herself induced.
leiapeison 3 years ago
"i would have no problems with taking out the child once it is viable even if it is premature." Okay, imagine that the child is viable, but the woman still doesn't want him to be born. She wants to abort instead. Would you still grant her that right?
BaronGrackle 3 years ago
no because it is not a concern of her body and is not imposing itself upon her. i support women having control over their bodies. if it can exist outside her womb, it is not a part of her body.
leiapeison 3 years ago
Ah, but it is still in her body. So long as the umbilical cord is still there, it is still connected to her, and you would still be imposing your will on her body. My suspicion is that you would force her to give birth because you believe that the slightly more developed child is a person, while the slightly less developed child is not.
BaronGrackle 3 years ago
if she doesnt want it in her body, fine remove it. she can remove it without killing it at this point. i would never want to force any women to give birth.
leiapeison 3 years ago
What if she doesn't WANT to remove him without killing him? What if she doesn't want the child living as a constant reminder of this event? Would she be allowed to remove the child BY killing him, even if he could be removed alive?
BaronGrackle 3 years ago
no the child can be removed and placed somewhere far away where she never has to see or hear from him again.
leiapeison 3 years ago
"no the child can be removed and placed somewhere far away where she never has to see or hear from him again." She says no. The child is in her body right now. She claims that it is her body, and she has the right to remove anything in it. She doesn't want the baby to grow up because he will constantly remind her of this event. She claims to have the right to prevent this. What would you tell this woman to convince her that she does NOT have the right to kill the child in her womb?
BaronGrackle 3 years ago
if it can survive on its own then let it. take it out of her womb and send it far far away and make sure the adoptive parents know the circumstances and make sure the kid never tries to contact her.
leiapeison 3 years ago
"if it can survive on its own then let it. take it out of her womb and send it far far away". I think you've now acknowledged that this is not about choice. If it were about choice, then you would believe the mother had the right to terminate the child at anytime. You seem to believe it is about life foremost... but I just can't agree with your requirements to how far the child has developed.
BaronGrackle 3 years ago
her body, her choice...
not your.
worry about yourself first.
niamtxiv 3 years ago
Abortion for all is the hallmark of a civilized society.
Thank God for abortion.
Abortion is a gift from God.
gregtube88 3 years ago
Besides, we are entering an era (6.6+ billion people) where limiting births will soon become a rule, not an option. Anti-abortion rights folks tend to have a problem with scope and economic/social/environmental responsibility. Too often, the list includes limiting access to sex education and birth control, creating shame around the idea of sex in general - keeps women from taking precautions that would prevent the need to make that heaviest of choices in the first place.
Immolation08 3 years ago
"Anti-abortion rights folks tend to have a problem with scope and economic/social/environmental responsibility." Pro-abortion rights folks tend to be all about economic and environmental responsibility when we talk about the unborn. When it comes to newborns, though, no environmental or overpopulation problem in the world will convince them that it should be legal to kill them. Generally the same with rapists and other criminals. Which is fine; but, why is the compassion so randomly limited?
BaronGrackle 3 years ago
Where should we draw the line? On one side, you have infanticide, on the other you have mourning every menstrual cycle as a loss. Personally, if you're 5-6 months pregnant, you procrastinated too long and no longer have a choice - but at 4 weeks? When your body has only known you're pregnant for 10-14 days? When there's no garuntee that the baby is viable or genetically sound or anything? Realllllly? Is that still murder? I have a hard time with that. Potential life, is just that. Potential.
Immolation08 3 years ago 3
"Where should we draw the line? On one side, you have infanticide, on the other you have mourning every menstrual cycle as a loss." You draw the line at the moment that a distinct, living homo sapien exists with its own DNA. Not everyone mourns the death of an newborn as much as they mourn the death of teenager or young adult; that doesn't mean one is more human than the other.
BaronGrackle 3 years ago
"Potential life, is just that. Potential." Look up the word "cell" sometime. Name me something that grows and develops but is not yet living. Explain how an organism becomes human at the moment of being born, or developing brain waves, or a heartbeat, or viability, whichever your camp of Pro-Abortion dictates. A newborn baby has great potential for life, but it is already alive. The same is with an unborn.
BaronGrackle 3 years ago 2
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as far as i'm concerned..its a leech until it can survive w/o me
you're entitled to your opinion as I am entitled to mine
dont like abortions? dont have 'em? Wait a second...you CANT have an abortion...its none of your business!
noneofyerbiznezz 3 years ago
"as far as i'm concerned..its a leech until it can survive w/o me" Don't worry about tossing that newborn in a dumpster then, either.
What you meant was when the child can survive outside of a woman's body. So what happens when we have the technology to keep a fetus alive outside its mother? Then, will the fetus suddenly be alive?
Do you argue with Pro-Choicers who believe they can still kill an unborn past the third trimester, when he/she can survive apart from the mother? I have doubts.
BaronGrackle 3 years ago
If you read the comments you'll see I was merely responding .
portersbabe 3 years ago 20
Yes, but there's so much support to the Pro-Life position that we don't need to sling insults. :) People don't choose to be Pro-Abortion because they're evil or dumb; society has lied to them, especially here in the U.S. and in Europe. To the point that they're shocked at the very idea of making it illegal to kill the unborn.
BaronGrackle 3 years ago
I was quite polite before she was rude to me . Apparently I can't use the internet because America invented it , so I now want everyone who isn't British to stop driving cars ! How fucking ridiculous does that sound ?
portersbabe 3 years ago 22
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but of course..and the comment on my genitalia was really *just a response*
whatever u say
you are absolutely polite
azifffffff 3 years ago
Don't fling insults about if you can't take them !
portersbabe 3 years ago 22
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oh I can take them. but theres nothing to say to a self deceptive person like you who does what they tell others not to...and say its ok for u to do it but not others
you're a waste of space..please get over me and find someone else to whine to
noneofyerbiznezz 3 years ago
How the fuck would you know what I would do ? You fucking ignorant cunt ! Why are you replying to a comment I made to someone else ?
portersbabe 3 years ago 18
I see you've removed my comment and barred me from commenting on your page . Nice to know I irritated you and I'll assume you couldn't make up an intelligent argument to my statement ! llf
portersbabe 3 years ago 3
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"Pro-abortion rights folks tend to be all about economic and environmental responsibility when we talk about the unborn. When it comes to newborns, though, no environmental or overpopulation problem in the world will convince them that it should be legal to kill them"
you are so silly. calling prochoice people proabortion. Look up the prefix pro sometime...then you refer to fetuses as unborn babies. You are a sap and need to twist words because reality doesnt support what you spew. sad
azifffffff 3 years ago
Look, the problem with rights is that they are almost always uncomfortable or inconvenient for someone. If you believe what you do about childbirth and conception, then you should act accordingly. However, if a woman is in a situation where she does not feel she can adequately care for her child, refuses to put the child into our crappy adoption system, refuses to put the child into misery or dangerous environment, she has the *RIGHT* to make a different decision. Get over it.
Immolation08 3 years ago
I know I've been posting a lot here, but I just get frustrated because the issue doesn't seem to have nearly as much grey as it has inconvenience. There is a human mother, and a human father. They create a living organism inside the mother. When that organism comes out of the mother, everyone agrees he/she is also a human. Some feel he/she is not human until he/she has nerves. Some say brain waves. Some say heartbeat. My question is, what animal would this creature be before it "becomes" human?
BaronGrackle 3 years ago
I'm not for father-daughter sex but her baby is sacred and should have the same chance to grow up and have sex with his or her family, Katie. The daughter should be shamed by my statewide clinics for tempting her father or stepfather into letting them make orgasms in her. That is what my daughter learned and look at how well she did when she rode on that hockey bus for 5 straight weeks. I hope the USA is ready for more mavericks like us from Alaska who disagree with furthering women's rights.
bhite41 3 years ago
Aack, this is getting ugly, yet I can't help but join the discussion. The Q that everyone is arguing over is whether or not a fetus is, in fact a human. If you're passionately P-L or P-C, you'll probably have an immediate answer, but unfortunately, there are so many shades of grey here. Is an embryo a person? Or does a baby gain human-status after it has a nervous system and can therefore feel and sense its environment? I've struggled with this too, so it's really important to be open-minded!!!
arbutusviper 3 years ago
"Or does a baby gain human-status after it has a nervous system and can therefore feel and sense its environment?" I appreciate that you've struggled with this question, arbutusviper, but the definition of homo sapien has been made for us. The unborn has human DNA distinct from the mother's. The unborn has the 46 chromosome count that all humans have their full lives. If the unborn is not a human, then what sort of creature is he/she? (sex is also decided at conception)
BaronGrackle 3 years ago
My fellow Americans,
Why do you swat a bug?
Or set a mouse trap?
Or shoot a duck (and not on Nintendo)?
Is it because animals have no soul?
They're merely window dressing, and good with dressing?
Is the soul trapped in the mentally disabled?
If so, how can we help people like Flava Flav and Bono?
The line that divides is the belief in the soul...evolution versus creationism.
It is the longest running war in our history, and it will continue until our time comes to a close.
tombstoneblue 3 years ago
"The line that divides is the belief in the soul". The question then becomes, are you the type to avoid swatting a bug, because it is equal to a person? Or are you the type to swat a person, because it is equal to a bug?
BaronGrackle 3 years ago
how can one claim to be pro-life AND pro-gun?
cyberlotti 3 years ago 2
Once you're out the womb, it's every fetus for itself!
tombstoneblue 3 years ago
"Once you're out the womb, it's every fetus for itself!" U.S. law would send me to jail for harming a newborn, under Democratic or Republican administrations. But the Pro-Choice group maintains its logically unsupportable position that a living human is not a living human until it leaves the womb. That's not science; it's not logic; it's just murder for convenience.
BaronGrackle 3 years ago
Do you have any idea how many unwanted babies would be born if they were all carried to term? The adoption waiting list would be swallowed up so quickly, and then what? This is part of why I keep saying the best we can do is KEEP IT LEGAL for the safety of the women, and do our best to reduce the number of abortions by promoting contraception and alternative options such as adoption.
You need to look at the bigger picture, at the consequences. Your kind of thinking is what lead to...
andytoz 3 years ago
...funding being pulled for sexual health clinics in third world countries, which leads to an increase in things like HIV and AIDS without readily available contraception, and a lot more babies being born into an environment that is incredibly poor living conditions, and more babies means more mouths to feed, means less progress in helping the people that are there.
Besides all of that, what do you suggest we do to stop abortions? Put the women in jail for 1st degree murder?
andytoz 3 years ago