Gun Demos 38 KSC / KWA MP7A1

[TheFoehamer]

you look german

[jerualem1234]

Nice uniform, tool.

[jerualem1234]

Nice uniform, tool.

[Dilo22]

I think Imma get one of these to replace my TM MP7... Just cause blowbacks are awesome :D

[Aldimoerder]

Is it the original uniform of the Bundeswehr made bei Köhler gmbh & Co. Kg? Please take a look inside. Can you speak german or just few words?

Nice vid

Viele Grüße aus Deutschland

[gaspedalpump]

KSC has significantly low fps and recoil to be on par with japanese laws. The design is the same as the KWA, however the products are different.

[coolcrap567]

i order the kwa version on evike and they send me a ksc version

[DeltaWinters88]

As a Kwa USA Forums Specialist, just want to clear a few things up. Kwa and KSC are not sister companies. KSC is its own company and Kwa is its own company. What is a common thought is that they are the same company. Not true, Kwa is just the OEM for KSC and KSC doesn't make any of its gun that they sell themselves, but has Kwa OEM for them. Kwa also OEMed/ OEMs for WA (M4 gbbrs), other airsoft companies and also makes stuff for Black and Decker, Mercedes Benz and other companies.

[cjboi204]

the KSC mp7 taiwan version is stronger than the KWA mp7 US version...... 400 FPS on taiwan version over 370-380 FPS on KWA US version. KSC has stronger valve due to its valve, it comes equip with shooters design valve.

[Geilswijk]

@cjboi204

Just plain NO.

The KSC "Japan" version is the one with the weak cylinder, but the rocket valve is a solid rod of aluminium.

The KSC "Taiwan" and KWA versions is the ones with the strong cylinders, and again aluminium valves, but here the design is a classic "rocket valve".

The Shooters Design valve is not the same thing, even though the design is slightly similar.

This would up the "Japan version" 's power, but have almost no effect on the "Taiwan" and KWA models.

[cjboi204]

@Geilswijk

read again idiot. I said KSC mp7 taiwan version is stronger.

yes ksc taiwan and kwa has stronger cylinder, I have them bought. KWA us version is still weaker FPS than KSC mp7 taiwan version. I wasnt even talking about the japan version, I already know they suck and they're pretty weak compare to those two. Next time read before you open your big mouth and say NO, because it makes you look like a complete idiot.

[Geilswijk]

@cjboi204 Still No!

There is no Shooters Design part in the KWA or KSC models out of the box.

SD is a custom shop in HK.

Before you start calling people Idiots, lets point out some of the mistakes you make in your video.

The KWA and the KSC guns don't have the same trades.

The KWA have some of the trades but not all.

The only thing that is off on the Japanese version is the JASG# in place of the Serial#.

Also, the bolt on the Japanese version is the same metal alloy as the KWA uses.

[TheJedi270]

they are entirely different companies that fued constantly

[A1rsoftMH88]

Ambidextry= Websters dictionary , eat your heart out

[sdymanski]

i foght it was the real gun not a bb gun

[ARX7ARBALESTZ7]

how much is the KSC one?

[RottSimba]

@ARX7ARBALESTZ7

$334 USD+ $40 USD shipping and can olny run on 134 if you dont you want it to break

KWA's is $255+free shipping at airsoftgi and can run on top gas.a much better deal personally.

[MegaAbfuck]

i love your video reviews

not only because you're getting all the shit out of the way people talk

[CoalMcBlade]

hwo givs a shit if its russian? if u want a russian, get the spetznas one...

[XIIxRAVAGExIIX]

@CoalMcBlade dumb ass its german

[DesiTwist666]

oshi-, that gun is from half life 2 :D

[iGeekPro]

this doesnt have a grenade launcher

[susperia666]

No,

it´s an german desert combat uniform!

[S33KY]

whats with ur uniform is it a russian uniform or latvian uniform

[xxMRGRENADExx]

Where can i get the 20 rd mag i like the extended one but i want one that doesnt stick out of the gun as well and are you german or something with that uniform

[morshusbigbomb]

KWA nver MP9.

[AlphaOneZero1]

I want one.

[TinkyHitman]

hey, gmb airsoft would you recommend this over the we tech scar.

[nakazatoGTR]

depends on your gaming style.

[brizzi321]

Which is better, the kwa mp7 or the kwa mac 11a1 ns2??

[thejugglerrr]

kwa mp7

[crakaplez]

@brizzi321 the mac 11 has a higher rate of fire but the mp7 is more accurate and I personally think has a way cooler look

But between those two guns its more of a matter of personal preferance

oh, and the mac can fit in a large style pistol holster.

[RottSimba]

MP7

[RottSimba]

nice "spy game" music,love that track.

[SuperBoomstick]

good review

[headlesschicken6661]

I have the KWA and I love it. Ran it on propane with about 400 rounds through no issues yet but I hear it can handle propane/GG very easily where as the KSC version, I've heard either the cylinder or the blowback unit went bust after 500 rounds. I was surprised to see it wasn't that expensive but the mags are pricey and hard to find in stock right now.

[Bagwsp]

Does KSC/KWA use their new S7/NS2 gas system with these mags, or the aging version?

-Good Review. Buying one on Friday.

[Schultz98]

shot one of these at the local field while skirmishing the other day. deffenetly impressive. Versy fast full auto ROF, but a lacking recoil compared to my original KSC USP.

[noircat]

I really want to get one of these as a backup weapon to my G36K, but it's awfully expensive...

[FordDriver94]

What kind of G36K do you have?

[noircat]

It's a JG/Echo 1 and it's a solid, accurate shooter.

[Geilswijk]

Nice walk thrue, but something is wrong.

I have seen pictures of 12 (!) KSC bolts, and not one of them were plastic .

The problem is that the Cylinder bolw on GreenGas.

The Cylinder i plastic, but the Bolt is metal.

The Licensed trademarks is only "licnsed" if you buy the "Umarex" version of the same gun, that have different trades then KSC/KWA versions.

The KSC/KWA version is the one true markrings. The Umarex only got the H&K logo right, as that is the only thing that they have a licennse for.

[patcus881]

Would it be OK to use Top Gas ?

[Schultz98]

it says so in the first 15 seconds of the video

[RottSimba]

can you use KSC MP7 mags in KWA MP7 i like the real cap mags the KWA MP7 has a 48 round mag (bullshit, i want a 20 or 40round mag)

[allizard]

Yes.. they are the same mags.

[nickoc08nikki19]

Just to throw in both ksc and kwa have a partnership

[RottSimba]

thanks for the tip.

[Plisky]

Ahhh! NAZI!!!

I'm just kidding. That was a pretty cool review, I may pick one of those up when the KWA ones get out. Thanks!

[AirsoftersAnonymous]

is the Umarex the same gun? and if so does it have the KWA metal bolt or the KSC plastic bolt?

[bmil69]

Yes.

[andrefromnguyen]

metal

[MrSniper16]

Too bad it has like... no recoil... might as well get a TM for the price and save yourself the trouble of having gas problems.

[sleepsleep5]

what is the ksc mp7s flashider is it 14mm ccw?

[Killer7Pt]

Nop. Its 12mm CW like the real deal.

[blindarb]

You look like adam sessler

[jchoo34]

so which one is better KSC or KWA goddammit

[Killer7Pt]

The bolt on the KSC is metal, and the charging handle is plastic like the real deal.

I found this review to not be very accurate, like for example the KSC and KWA don't have the same exact trademarks and as far the internals go we still don't know for sure if they are the same, it's just a matter of waiting,

*Continues*

[Killer7Pt]

Actually the KWA version is available on Germany but semi only, and for now they seem the same, except the only owner on Arnies still has his gun working and a few KSCs broke.

Tell us if your loading nozzle breaks!

[GBMairsoft]

I have both KWA and KSC MP7's. I can tell you with absolute certainty that they do have the same trademarks. The KSC bolt is plastic (if you need proof of this just ask) the KWA bolt is metal and is a concern for me because it is tougher on the internals.

[Jarek4]

The KWA MP7 is currently not released within the USA. The KWA MP7 batch is in customs, has not reached KWA, and all major retailers across the country are waiting for their MP7's which would mean you only have a KSC MP7. Also, the KWA MP7 is Umarex licensed and licenses do differ between the KWA and KSC. Not meaning to rain on your parade or anything, but good video, and do hope it brings you many more subs as you are one of first to have a video on the MP7

[Killer7Pt]

I really would like to see it if you don't mind, its not because i can't believe you i just would like to see it please :)

BTW KWA USA claims the differences between KSC and KWA versions are:

-the loadingnozzle is made from adifferent material

-Rocket valve is metal.

[GBMairsoft]

Loading nozzle appears the same, Rocket valve is metal on KWA. The big difference is there are two pieces that make up the bolt carrier. On the KSC the inner pieces which holds the piston and loading nozzle is metal, while the man bolt carrier is plastic.

[Geilswijk]

@GBMairsoft Rocket valve is metal on both KSC and KWA versions, but they are not the same.

The Bolt on both KSC and KWA is cast from the same Magnesium/Zink aloy.

It is surprisingly light, but is not plastic.

... this is why both models have the same rate of fire, as a lighter or heavier bolt would increase or decrease the cyclic rate.

The Loading nozzle on the KWA and KSC "Taiwan" versions have slightly thicker sides, uses a slightly different cylinder seal, and the "piston" is shorter.

[EvilLamas]

@Killer7Pt the other diferance is that the KWA one is manufacured from pure awsome.

[TheJedi270]

@GBMairsoft good call also kwa did not make the gun umarex did. umarex owns the liscense. not kwa this is why their other usp guns aren liscensed

[Geilswijk]

@TheJedi270

Fail.

KSC/KWA made it.

But to sell it in europe and us, Umarex wanted money, as they have a license to the "H&K" logo.

So Umarex made nothing.

The Umarex version er just a KWA with less and wrong Trademarks, as they don't own the rights for all the markings.

The KSC Japan version is the only one with full markings, but the "KSC Taiwan" is close.

... and yes all models are made at the KWA factory in Taiwan,

[Geilswijk]

@GBMairsoft The KSC Bolt is Metal.

The KWA and KSC guns are made on the same factory.

The internal difference is in the rocketvalve, the "Japan" version have a thick, rod style valve that gives you around 330fps on propane, the "Taiwan" version have a traditional "rocket" valve, firing around 400fps on propane.

The KSC Japan version have the full trades.

The KWA "Umarex Licensed version" funny enough, don't have alle the full trades, as Umarex only have a license to use the "H&K" logo.

[brutechieftan]

@GBMairsoft i heard that the KSC doesnt take Green Gas, is that true?

[goldeneye007662]

The MP7 has a newer hop-up from KSC, I think. Because their rifle hop-ups aren't that great. The most superior stock uop-up is definitely the TM rubber.

[SHUNT311]

wow ksc made theirs with a plastic charging handle when its $100.00 more than the kwa? cheap

[goldeneye007662]

KSC internals are made from better materials,I think, and it's system 7.

[SHUNT311]

The price on these guns need to be under $200.00. I had a kwc mini co2 blowback uzi, it had full IMI trademarks and the hardest blow back for a smg gbb. shot over 450fps and was dead on. Even came with a uzi padded case. I paid $169.00 from airsplat.

[goldeneye007662]

Yes, but KWC performance is different from KWA/KSC. And, this is the only gas MP7 in the market. Even Crosman had a mini uzi. Also, it's officially licensed by H&K/Umarex. The KWA was illegal, and because of that, they trades weren't as specific. This has trademarks EVERYWHERE

[SHUNT311]

Kwa is a fully licensed UMAREX H&K MP7. you can find that any where on google. ksc is not. Im gonna stick with the WE scar-l black, I would rather have a full sized rifle with metal upper than a plastic pistol.

[SHUNT311]

in Hong Kong and they are exactly the same! Screw KSC and save yourself $100 USD... "

[omfg191]

It's the bolt group, not charging handle.

[SHUNT311]

I see, I typed the comment while listening and reading other comments.

[Zoltar102]

i was thinking of getting this gun and after this review i'm buying it, thank u

[SHUNT311]

I was gonna get one but found the we scar gas blowback with metal upper for the same price and cheaper. check it out.

[goldeneye007662]

Don't. I have it, and I would much rather have this. The SCAR is extremely unreliable, and very shitty.

[SHUNT311]

Do you have the tan one? the black are gen 3 and have great reviews. I just couldent see putting out $250.00-350.00 on a handheld all plastic gun.

[kullwarrior]

the Mp9 has a longer barrel than the MP9

you miss this one. Great review

[12106993]

wtf

[kullwarrior]

thats what Pete said, probably he did it in mid nite, for me I just do it too often

[tbonemaster5]

mp9 longer than the mp9?

[kullwarrior]

you guys didnt hear that?

[LazyWaffleman]

Also what the kick difference betwwen the mp9 and mp7?

[GBMairsoft]

Similar but MP7 feels harder (though it probably isn't)

[Geilswijk]

@GBMairsoft

The Mp7 have almost no kick, due to the small and light boltasambly, where the Mp9/TMP have huge, heavy bolt.

This, together with the Mp9/TMP having a slightly higher cycling rate, creates a significant difference in "recoil" felt by the shooter.

You would have no problems controlling the Mp7 using 2 hands on FullAuto.

But the TMP/Mp9 needs to be shouldered to be controllable enough to engage beyond 15 meters on FullAuto.

Why the TMP stock is so hard to find... ;)

[LazyWaffleman]

good review, enjoined the agm review as well