I don't claim to know what it was and rightly don't give a fark. U all should quit acting like u do know though. Hard to discount 10000 peeps across the whole state though whatever it was
This certified sighting was never certified by MUFON or any other investigating agency. There is no video which shows this earlier object with a correlating time stamp.
plus that day they alerted the airforce , the military saw 2 bright objects flying around the base they took off with 2 f16 and started to chase the lights but the lights disappeared in seconds
ohh nooo what he say in the video i read this somewhere this stuff with flares is completly bullshit god damn it dont try to explaim the unexplanable there was no fucking flares
The best book on the UFO topic just came out by author Leslie Kean. I am a skeptic, but I'm open-minded and have been on the fence on the notion of "extraterrestrial" visitation my whole life. This book is the ONLY book to push me over the edge, and not because she was trying to convince anyone of extraterrestrials. She's just removing the smokescreen. Look it up on Amazon and buy it: "UFOs: Generals, Pilots, and Government Officials Go on the Record" by Leslie Kean.
I have always thought they were flares. People keep comparing the footage with those smaller flares that helicopters drop as seen from a closer range, but the flares in this video are much more powerful and are much further away. Light travels a LONG way at night. Once, while at a family residence in St. Petersburg, FL, I saw a very bright light as large as my pinky fingernail going UP in the distance. It made no sound. It was the space shuttle launching on the OPPOSITE side of Florida!
The real "Phoenix Lights" are the object that overflew Phoenix at around 8:30PM-9:00PM. This video was taken at around 10-10:30PM, and I'm convinced they ARE flares. But they are not the Phoenix Lights. I wish the news media would stop playing this explained video every time they do a spot about the Phoenix Lights.
@str009 said;The real "Phoenix Lights" are the object that overflew Phoenix at around 8:30PM-9:00PM
Amen, why focus on the later very questionable sighting, when there was a certified genuine mass sighting earlier? I do not understand the reasoning, people wrongly believe the flares were the same thing seen earlier.
I'm confused then, what was seen earlier? I've seen many documentaries on the Phoenix Lights and they all look like the same flare formations to me. I haven't seen any videos that look strikingly different from this. The fact that the lights wink on and wink off sequentially is a tell-tale sign of flares, and the fact that they appear to be moving horizontally is an illusion caused by the fact that they are much further away than you think, and slowly falling.
@Symphonitron You have to do some Google searching and some reading to see that the earlier gigantic sighting of a V shaped craft overflew heavily populated ares. Many witnesses saw the first craft quite clearly, it was easily seen to be solid with lights. The later sighting around ten thirty was just lights.
@nixter1nixter1 Thanks ... Yeah I'm beginning to see the problem that people are talking about here. There is an EXCELLENT book that I picked up a few weeks ago by Leslie Kean called "UFOs: Generals, Pilots, and Government Officials Go on the Record." There is a chapter on the Phoenix Lights which places more context on this particular video. Now I'm wondering: why would the military launch flares in a formation that sort of looks (on video at least) like the sighting, right after the sighting?
@nixter1nixter1 Thanks, yes I found all that. So obviously not all the lights were flares. The whole affair is just so fishy... There were many witnesses who saw lights flying before and after the Phoenix flyover, so those were not flares. But why did the military, on the same night of the big sighting, send up flares? At first I thought "smokescreen" and "deniability" but wait a minute, they originally denied flares for several days. Why would they deny their own smokescreen? Fishy.
@Symphonitron i actualy saw this one, and i know they were not flares. because they were not moving at all they appeared, and vanished. Plus i think we would have heard the plane that dropped the flares, but idk nothing about AF planes so dont take me as fact on that ya know. the flickering of the light has been messn with me to. i think it needs more invetigating because the lights were there like 15 mins so another fact to debunk the flares, and its happened more than once
Listen , a lot of other countries have released government UFO footage. France Mexico , Spain and others . America wont release information about what they know because our government is working with these beings and benefiting from their technology and GOD only knows what we trading for this technology.
A UFO is an unidentified flying object, meaning it's unidentified. It has nothing to do with identifying the object as being extra-terrestrial. (if that were the case they wouldn't be UFO's, right?)
LOL flares, seriously no-one believes this rubbish. THE MILITARY insisted they would not explore the case of the Phoenix lights - then they came up with 'Lanterns', the people that saw the lights stated they were not lanterns as they stayed in formation through a whole 4 hours of slow movement, also they didnt move downward.
For the person that put up this video, watch the Pheonix lights documentary, same goes for all the mindless people that watch a youtube video explanation and agree.
The lights can be seen to slowly drift down in this video, Did you watch it? How can you say the lights did not drift down when the complete opposite is seen? I put up this video, and nobody with any credibility is saying that these lights seen after 10pm were anything other than military flares. Why do you insist on promoting the idea that the flares were UFO's when a real gigantic V or Triangle craft was seen earlier that same night? That was a REAL UFO, this later one was flares
@olgunucurel just because the lights went behind the mountains it still isn't enough to prove they were flares.. and I don't believe the air force.. or the government on this issue.. and many more issues..
@mobspeak Your mixing the two events together, the real UFO seen flying low and slow was seen around 9:00pm, it was a real UFO. The later 10pm sighting of the lights in a row over Phoenix was just flares. Two different events on the same night
Honestly :P iv seen lights in the sky i cant explain, either way i dont claim to have seen a alien space craft, and you know why? because i need the proper evidence before i can make such a claim. You have the evidence right in front of you guys! If aliens are visiting us, its not shown in this clip, sorry ;)
Why wouldn't you take them seriously? What is so striking about any of the videos of these lights that just screams "aliens from outer space"? I believe there are very possibly extra-terrestrial flying objects in our skies but not based on this evidence -- I think the Phoenix Lights are flares just as the Air Force says they are. I see no reason to believe otherwise, and I've seen NO videos of these lights flying "overhead".
If you watch the original video, and compare it to his video where he has 2 frames superimposed, the lights on the original video don't even blink out in the same order, as in his superimposed video.
i believe this is a UFO, i mean when it shows the finished overlapping of the video, you can see 2 of the lights go slightly in front of the mountain! and besides flares don't blink, move up or to the side, and they don't go in a straight line like that, why do they keep hiding this from us?! i wanna live in a world where don't have to lie anymore! and if they are aliens maybe they have technology that can help us with some world issues
Flares don't stay in a straight line. These lights did. Jim Dilletoso the scientist scanned the military flare's and the phoenix light's data. The data didn't match. So they are NOT flares! Aliens are real! End of Story!
aningloriousbastard, your comment seems to indicate that you are not well read on the subject, the evidence overwhelmingly shows that there were TWO separate sightings that night, the first was of a GIGANTIC V shaped UFO, the later second sighting was just flares, two different events on the same night. Read up on the subject with a little more effort and you will see what I am talking about.
So you do not know that there were TWO seperate sightings seen by hundreds of witnesses, the first sightings were of a real giant UFO, then later on around 10-10:30pm the flares were seen. Two differant incidents occured on the same night, don't mix them up together they are NOT related at all. Are you trying to hide the facts by giving out false information, stop it! You are damaging real UFO information with your ignorence of the facts.
CaptainBones, Jim Dilletoso also said that a YouTube video of a tree showed an Alien in it, the guy has no creditability at all. Mentioning him as a reference hurts your case.
It's not want the believers want to hear, so therefor hes lying, everyones lying it was aliens blah blah, people listen to yourselfs. It was the military, if not it was a hoax.
Look at that guy's face, he's totally lying! And why can't the lights be behind the mountains and be a ufo. Maybe the ufo was moving and then disappeared behind the mountains.
oooohblondiexo said: They aren't falling... they're staying in the exact same spot..
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Blind persons should not be making comments without first asking a sighted person to first watch the video and then describe it to them BEFORE commenting. If you had bothered to do this, you would have been informed that, YES, the lights are seen drifting downward as would flares. The video shows them moving downward, if you cannot see this then you really must be blind.
Do you know when you said please follow my instructions:
put it on full screen,go to 2:37,stop it then go like play-pause-play-pause-play-pau se till 2:40.focus on the light that just disappears,and watch how its acting.
They didn't fall at all. They stayed where they were. They disappeared on top of the mountains. Besides they didn't disappear in the same patten they appeared. So it a extraterrestrial spacecraft. Everybody should know. The military are trying to hide the truth, so nobody to panic of alien invasions. Despite all the alien spacecraft sighting, there has been no invasion.
CaptainBones, the flares can be seen to be drifting down, fast forwarding the video shows their motion clearly. No need to bend the truth, doing so makes your theory look weak.
i think it was a secret military aircraft. if it was a ufo, the airforce would have intercepted, they did nothing. but then again, maybe it was a UFO, they knew about it but did nothing. they knew it wasnt harmful, so they didnt do anything. they know something.
i was actually in phoenix that day, but didnt get to witness it. out of all the days, why didnt i look up!!!
It was a A UFO. But I don't believe that there was a invasion. If it was a secret military aircraft there it would NEVER fly over a huge city. But the Phoenix Lights did. Beside if it was a secret military aircraft, then people will see it, and it won't be a secret anymore. every time a UFO sighting is reported the Government makes a cosmic cover up. And the military makes up their own explanation. Just to pervert us from panic. They said they were air forces flares. But the witnesses disgraced.
Read "The Phoenix Lights...A Skeptic's Discovery That We Are Not Alone" to learn that this 'analysis' was faked. A subsequent Fox TV report showed that Cognitech had altered the video to make the case for flares. Not only were the anomalous lights in a rock solid array, impossible for flares, they were in FRONT of the mountain. Key to note that there is one lone light on the RIGHT side of a foreground tree in the real footage, but missing or on the left in the Cognitec video. Just look at it.
I love how when UFO believers are faced with a downright logical and plausible story they retreat into conspiracy and delusional righteousness. Project Mogul makes sense because it's the government covering up alien crashes. The military won't let the press cover the "real sightings" only the debunked one. Gimmee a break.
The 'Flares' were a distraction from the true UFO that night. Arizona has had many, many sightings. The truth of the matter is this: there have been numerous, unique sightings. The government is obviously being infiltrated.They knew the UFO was spotted so they spawned an 'emergency flare test'...how stupid do they think we are? I know what I have seen,thus, I don't automatically disbelieve others' sightings. Beam Me Up Please!!
lol these cant be flares, people were reporting seein this thing fly low and one man reported that the lights were so big, holding up a newspaper wudnt fully cover them
Your mixing the two events together, the real UFO seen flying low and slow was seen around 9:00pm, it was a real UFO. The later 10pm sighting of the lights in a row over Phoenix was just flares. Two different events on the same night
isnt it weird the airforce never told anyone they were gonna drop flairs, wouldnt u thnk they would have let the city know they were doing that, so not to panic anyone, its a cover up
Some sightings are real, of course! But on the other hand, some are fake, we have to sort them out somehow, it does us no good to say that ALL UFO reports are accurate, or fake.
That is true, the brighter the light, the more stars that will be dimmed to the point that they cannot be seen. But some of the witnesses of the giant V shaped craft seen around 8:30-9:00pm said it was very low to the ground and they reported seeing the bottom of it as it very slowly traversed directly overhead, they claimed to have seen the craft quite clearly, unlike the later 10:00 pm sighting near Phoenix the same night, that one was flares.
I sounds like you did not watch the video, it shows that the lights ONLY move in one direction, DOWN! You may be confusing the earlier 9pm sighting of a real UFO seen by the Governor of the State, the sighting shown in this video was taken around 10pm, and they have been shown to be flares, note how they slowly drift down, as would flares, the pilot who dropped them say the same thing. The 9pm sighting = real UFO, the 10pm sighting = flares, don't mix the separate events together.
Nixter, I was born in Phoenix and lived there a while. The reason I posted that comment was because alot of my family saw it. The ones we saw was the non-flares and they slowly moved across the city. But I don't know for surely... So I quess everyones allways going to be in this state of confeusion.
The real UFO blocked the stars above it as it slowly moved across the night sky, it was an amazing sight, but the later 10pm sighting was not like the earlier one at all, just a row of lights that sank down as they descended behind the mountains. If anyone saw the first one, then they experienced something VERY unusual indeed!
Yeah, I bet the government made the 10pm one to try and prove that it was them. But you're right. the 9pm was truley an amazing sight and will never be forgotten. I was scarred and amazed when I saw them. :)
No video shows the 10pm lights moving in a direction other than straight down. The 9pm sighting is what you are thinking of, two separate events on the same night, causing endless confusion.
I don't understand why the lights on the UFO that was seen at 9PM were dim. They were hard to see. But if you know how flares react, they don't react the way the 10PM light do. What I don't understand is Why they called their night training operation snowbird. Where did the military get the idea of Snowbird. The flares might of landed closer to the mountain range than the Phoenix Lights. Beside all the witnesses find the flare explanation impossible to believe.
Flares are designed to burn as bright as possible to illuminate the Battlefield, a UFO's lights on the other hand are most likely the results of the crafts propulsion system. The triangle style craft lights, as seen at 9pm, were the same brightness as reported in other similar sightings. You are VERY wrong to say that "all" the witnesses said they couldn't be flares, the overwhelming evidence points to flares at the later 10pm sighting, the pilots themselves said they were flares!
Wait a minute. Do you remember the video I shared with you? A Deeper Look In The Phoenix Lights? According to that video the witnesses find the governor's flare explanation not true. Or the video I shared with you a couple days ago? It seems you don't believe what you heard from the videos. The witnesses didn't say they are flares. They said that this is nothing like they ever seen before. Beside Dr. Lynne Kitei believe that they were amber orbs from a V-shaped extraterrestrial spacecraft.
You are mixing up the two SEPARATE events yet again! The 9pm sighting was a real giant delta shaped craft seen by the Gov. The later 10pm sighting was not seen by the Gov. Dr. Lynne Kitei never even claimed to have seen the Phoenix lights, she saw earth lights on her property, this does not make her an expert on the sighting. The only experts with military experiance have said they dropped flares that night, that's enough evidence for me, 9pm = real UFO,... 10pm = FLARES!
You don't have any proof. Your video proves nothing. I will find a way to prove you wrong. Why? Because I don't give up that easy? We both agree on what the Phoenix Light sighting on 9PM was. But we don't agree on the 10PM sighting. That will change. Why don't you talk the Lynne Kitei yourself. She claims to see strange lights in the sky before that night. She believe that are from alien spaces.
A few months ago i posted my personal experience sightings facts & educated knowledge that explained why these particular objects were in-fact military aircraft deployed flares. I soon discovered it was pointless to waste time or the effort. My conclusion is the majority of pro UFO people prefer to believe fiction over the fact. Go figure? lol
You are so right, I place the blame mostly on the various media outlets that cover the UFO phenomena. Coast to Coast and all the UFO documentaries give false information about this Phoenix lights story. They ALWAYS show a clip of the 10:00pm flares and make some sort of inference that they,(The flares), were what the witnesses said was a giant UFO seen that night. That is NOT TRUE, at 8:30 to 9:00pm, a huge craft a quarter of a mile across with brilliant lights blazing was seen,that was the one!
Ya, the media only show and explain it as one single event, its like they've been told not to mention the first one. And so people believe the flare story and yet another UFO story is buried with confusion and lies. I bet they dropped those flares just for that reason, to confuse people. Do you know of any videoes of the first sighting?
I saw the same thing last night(only 4 though), just after 10PM, while traveling west on I-8. I was right around Wellton Arizona, just north of the Barry M. Goldwater AFB. Flares?!? I can't see how flares could do what I saw =/
Since you did not describe what your flares did, we can not glean any useful information from your post, but the 10pm. Phoenix lights were definitely seen to be slowly drifting down as they burned. If you saw a line of bright lights over an Air Force Base, it seems safe to deduce that you saw some sort of military aerial lights, UFO's tend to move rapidly, making sharp turns without slowing as they do so.
Watch the video again, you can CLEARLY see them slowly lowering, also the witnesses in the original videos of the indecent can be heard to say that they are falling, that means that they were falling.
The fact that they are slowly lowering is as clear as a bell, to say otherwise is to be deliberately ignorant. Facts are facts, the video here shows that the 10:00 pm sighting was flares, period.
The craft was reported to fly from one corner of arizona to the other, pheonix was not the only city to see this it's just where most of the reports came from.
I take it you don't know very much about this incident? It's common knowledge that two separate events occurred that night, around 9pm, a real UFO was seen, later around 10:30pm the flares were seen over Phoenix, why would you want to focus on the flares when a real gigantic V shaped craft was seen by thousands? You are doing real harm to the UFO topic by pushing nonsense claims, the flares have been proven as flares, but what about the UFO seen at 9pm?
First of all, I'm NOT ignorant, and I think it's extremely rude of you to tell me I'm ignorant for having an opinion about something. Second, there isn't as much coverage on the V shaped UFO so I'm sorry to say that no, I don't know much about that incident. Let's just leave it as that yeah?
Lo que me molesta es LA MENTIRA, EL FRAUDE, EL CINISMO, LA FALTA DE ESCRUPULOS, LA AMBICION ENFERMIZA. En fin, todas las "cualidades" del Maussan.
Por ejemplo, en el caso de Jonathan Reed, Maussan se encargo de encubrir el FRAUDE y en lugar de aclararlo, se dedico a ganar MUCHO DINERO dando conferencias sensasionalistas.
Acaso Maussan ha pedido perdon por las mentiras que dijo en ese caso?
Acaso ha devuelto el dinero de las conferencias que dio al respecto?
pero las mentiras sobre que??? dicen que son luces provocadas por hombres..no entiendo bien el ingles.. gracias por explicarme si opinas que son ufos reales o no..gracias
The first sighting was a UFO with 5 lights. However they weren't seen very well for some reason. The second sighting of the Phoenix Lights is what the people wondered what is was. Because they said it was like nothing they ever seen before. It took many month for the military to say they were flares. But why? Even when the witnesses refuse to believe it. And Jim Dilletoso proved that they weren't flares when he discovered that all flare DNA didn't match the Phoenix Lights DNA. So it's a UFO.
Jim Dilletoso used a light spectrum analysis method that determines the chemical composition based on the colors of light, that is, differing compounds emit differing colors, BUT this method is not accurate when large distances are involved, the colors change when viewed from a large distance, in this case the distance was over twenty miles away. So you see the analysis is flawed, the lights could still be flares, his analysis proves nothing.
this video tells & shows the reality of the infamous so called phoenix ufo sightings. its astonishing how many people still or ever believe them to be genuine ufos
This is the WRONG video. There were TWO sightings that night. The UFO earlier in the evening, then THIS VIDEO(flares). Fife Symington, AZ governor, saw the large structured triangular craft himself earlier that night. He himself believes the craft was unearthly. Skeptics love to use the flare video to discount the real sighting which happened EARLIER that night. The video of the UFO lights is rare, however, the 'flare' video from that night is very common & mistaken for the real thing often.
I agree totally, two sightings that night, first one was a huge V or triangle shaped craft seen by the Gov. Later on at 10pm near Phoenix the flares were seen, the TV reports ALWAYS show then as the UFOs, this causes endless confusion as to what was seen. Look at my other videos, one does show the real sighting.
This was what convinced me that this particular sighting was in fact, flares as they said. I'm a huge believe in UFOs and the like, but eve someone as non skeptical as me has to admit that those lights are nothing special.
They still have nothing about the first sighting though.
there was a ufo similiar to the on in the vid in bham alabama where i live but it was turning it turned about 3 or 4 times flew north at a slow speed very slow speed and all of a sudden 10 more lights came up with the 3 lights that was already there that totals up to 13 lights the 3 was in a triangle shape and the 10 lights was in the shape of a circle the circle was around the 3 lights and the 10 lights was way bigger than the 3 lights i wanted to get my camera but i heard
the real one is very convincing, and has yet to air on any u.s. produced tv show or documentary that i've seen. the flares were launched over an hour after the original sighting.
if non believers wanna say ufos are fake go for it.but the first sighting was real the 2nd not so sure only cause the first sighting the orbs were actually moving
Hey nixter1nixter1, I noted that most of the UFO believers blindly trust the Governor of Arizona. However, he also could have been FOOLED by the flares just like we were.
Also, please don't forget that ALL the politicians ALWAYS say what the people want to hear, even when they think otherwise.
Even Barack Obama just said that ALL the presidential candidates ALWAYS say what the people want to hear just to be elected and, once in power, they betray everybody in favor of corporate lobbyists.
Click on my name by this video, nixter1nixter1, watch the other video I posted about the Phoenix lights, it shows that the Phoenix lights,(The flares), were not the actual sighting of a UFO, THAT happened earlier at around 9pm further up north of Phoenix, and THAT is the one the Governor saw. Two events happened that night and only ONE of them was a real UFO. This one is worth a Google search and reading up on the topic. Everyone thinks the flares were a UFO, even though there is NO PROOF of it!
Hello nixter1nixter1, thanks for keeping yourself open minded. I want to make something clear, I'm not a SKEPTIC, I WANT TO BELIEVE, just like Fox Mulder's poster said. For many years I Thought the Phoenix UFO was the most reliable sighting because there were THOUSANDS of eyewitnesses and the video was the PROOF. Now that it has been explained, I think that most of the information given was caused by excitment. Even now, for me it's hard to believe that we were totally FOOLED by simple FLARES.
I can't understand the UFO believers! Now that the Phoenix UFO sighting has been clearly explained, they say that there were TWO different sightings: one at around 9:00 and other one around 10:00.
According to the comments here, there were THOUSANDS OF REPUTABLE WITNESSES WHO SAW A HUGE UFO FLYING VERY LOW AND SLOW FOR A CONSIDERABLE PERIOD OF TIME. Then, how come NOBODY took at least ONE picture? oh! I'm sorry I forgot the ETs caused ALL the cameras to malfunction! Please answer with HONESTY
LongLiveUSA0704, your reply will anger the true believers, but your overall outlook is scientifically correct, in this case the news services always show the video footage taken of the 10pm sighting of the flares, because they show up clearly, the earlier sighting of the giant UFO seen by the Governor only has one very poor quality video of that craft, it is never shown because it is grainy. But no matter how good the quality of images, they will never be accepted as proof of UFOs.
Seriously, As for the "V" formations flying over head are F-16s in formation waiting their turn to refuel from a KC-135. The lights are on the fueling receptacle. Said light comes on when when the fueling receptacle is in use and goes out when retracted. Said fueling happens at altitude hence no sound is heard on the ground. This also explains why the formations appear and disappear as well as change shape. Some people really want to believe in UFOs!!!!!
The 90:00 event is another prove that Aliens are real. They do exist. In fact there been UFO sighting all over the world. This 9:00 event was seen by the largest amount of people. If the 10:00 sighting were made by military flares then why did Fife Symington say it was a UFO in 2007?
Fife never said that, he was referring to the 9:00pm sighting, look it up. He has stated MANY times that the Phoenix lights seen at 10:00pm were not the same as the giant craft seen at 9:00pm earlier. He says flat out, that the 2nd sighting was flares, he is a ex Military pilot, he knows what flares look like. Yes, the 9pm sighting was something amazing!
attention everyone: goto google images and type in "phoenix lights" and copy and paste an image of the lights onto you're favorite image editor. then zoom in on all 6 lights and you will start to see a cigar shaped object surrounding the lights.
If it only shows up after applying high zoom settings you are introducing pixel artifacts, nothing was reported to be a solid ship at the 10:00pm sighting, these were flares, they slowly dropped down behind the mountains, the video here shows that much. The interesting UFO was seen around 9:00pm, not in Phoenix though. Two separate events that night, do not mix them together, first sighting, huge "V" shaped craft seen, 10:00pm sighting, Flares.
People just WANT to believe they are aliens with big eyes, in spaceships, naked (why are they always naked?), bald (why are they always bald?), and are too stupid to conceal themselves from primitive human technology. Why couldn't this be human-made? Some people just want it to be "UFOs".
I support your science based logic, if Aliens, are real, give evidence, etc,.. You are right. But after the sighting by Gov. Fife Symington, he said it was much too large to have been one of ours, he is a pilot, and knows aircraft, this one was up to a mile across as reported by hundreds of eye wittinesses. Our government would not likely fly these over major population centers with the leading edge lights blazing away as reported that night. I think we will have this someday, but not yet.
OP im sorry but you do not have a very valid position. Do some more research beyond this youtube video, google phoenix lights and look at some of hte reasearch others have done. There is a lady out there i do not know her name but shes easy to find, she had taken a video from her home in the mountains, and it debunks your debunk theory. She was elevated with the lights and they were moving, not descending. I do believe flares were shot that night, but as a cover up so society wouldnt go crazy
Your last sentence agrees with this video, so we have no disagreement, the other lights seen in that area on other nights are a thought to be what is called Earth Lights. The doctor lady has been seeing these for years, she wrote a book about it, but the 9:00pm sighting was not just lights, but something very unusual. I do not rely on only YouTube videos, give me a little credit.
i give you credit this video is interesting, im agreeing that there were flares that night, but somebody leaked that the government had shot them after the lights had appeared to cover it up since they were getting so much attention, the first set of lights were not flares. This video does have a sound arguement, but if you look at some other videos it is hard to debate both sides. Honestly, the governement is probably involved with every aspect of this situation
Your theory is plausible, if you follow the path of the giant "V", shaped craft it seems to have taken a path from the north around 9:00pm traveling to the south, it may have been heading towards Phoenix around 10:00pm, that is when the flares were dropped. So if that was their plan, it succeeded completely, whenever the topic comes up, the News service ALWAYS shows a video of the flares in the background as part of the story.
You are always nuts to disbelieve the witnesses. They say that both sighting of the Phoenix Lights were from a extraterrestrial spacecraft. I couldn't believe that the Gov. didn't tell us that it was a UFO until 2007. Was Fife scared of the people's reaction? Maybe.
Does that include the witnesses who said the lights were just flares? We would be nuts to disbelieve those witnesses too? Or you just believe the witnesses who say what you already believe? No need to say the Phoenix lights were alien spaceships, those were seen earlier that night. The Phoenix lights seen at 10:00 pm were flares, the giant UFO seen at 9:00pm was the REAL sighting that night, NOT the flares, do not mix the two events together, they are separate events, period.
Every witnesses to the 10:00 P.M. Phoenix Light sighting said it was another UFO. The 10:00 P.M. didn't look like flares. Flares don't fall in a V shape formation. After the event people tried to call the press conference, they tried to call the Gov. Fife Symington to get the answers. But no one answered. And Fife Symington refuse to allow a investigation. The questions were what it was? And where did it come from? The people who saw the lights said it's like nothing they ever seen before.
CaptainBones, you are completely wrong on that statement,Not one reliable wittiness has said the flares were ET craft. You are spreading misinformation about this event, the 10:00pm sightings have been accepted as being flares, time to move on. Fife Symington is the best eye wittiness on this sighting, he says clearly, that the craft he saw around 9:00pm was a huge floating V craft, he says clearly, that the Phoenix Lights were FLARES. Get over it!
This video is not meant to convince anyone of of extra terrestrial visitation, although the evidence shows that an amazingly large craft floated over Arizona on March 13th, 1997, The goal of this video is to SEPARATE the two sightings seen in the Arizona skies that night. It is the mainly the UFO enthusiasts who believe that the flares were UFOs. I will not admonish your "nut" comment, because you are correct, I am nuts about using science to discover what may have really happened that night.
Your answer identifies you as someone who has limited knowledge of the incident, no witnesses reported the flares moving in any direction other than down, the video above clearly shows that they slowly descended as would flares. Your mistaken opinion is shared by most UFO enthusiasts,however that information is not based on fact, I urge you to research this further, the facts are there if you really are interested in the truth.
Aren't flares used to light up an area? If that many flares were hanging in the air (anti grav flares???) like theses were, wouldn't it have been very bright?
Read the above comments and replies your concerns have been addressed numerous times. Watch the video, it shows that the flares were BEHIND the mountains, that is where the light would have been seen.
I am sure that theses are flares, however seeing them fall behind a mountain that is some distance away,seems to make the flares look huge in comparison to the mountain which is in front of them (check it out). How big are the flares?
This only proves that the lights were behind the mountain, not that they were flares. If a large hovering craft were to slowly descend behind the mountain, as if it was landing, we would see the smae effect, no?
The Flares are a cover story. The supposed A-10 Warthog is not visible while the lights are appearing. FAA strobe lights would be clearly visible in the clear desert sky if the A-10 was dropping flares. Yet no one saw them.
Strobes are strictly forbidden when night operational training exercises are in effect, especially when dropping flares, in a combat situation the strobes would announce the aircrafts position. Training sessions are meant to reproduce the conditions that may be encountered during actual combat operations, hence no lights are used.
There are many Military and Police officials who would take issue with that comment. Many upstanding "Non crack smokers", have seen UFO like phenomena, what if you were to see something? Would you step forward and talk about it? Or would you be afraid that someone would say that you are on crack? It is healthy to have a scientifically based skepticism, but if we want the real sightings to be disclosed we must not attack legitimate witnesses. The UFO nuts we shall always have.
Many saw a craft. One video shows this going over her house it blocked the stars between the lights
She said it took 10 m ins to pass. Also this does not look like the one in many videos offered, nor does the time of flares and time of sighting by witnesses coincide.
You are mixing up the two events of that night. First was the Triangle or V shaped craft and then later after 10pm there was the line of lights seen in the sky. Two separate events happened that night, they must not be combined together without more evidence linking them.
Well he didn't say anything about the first sighting. But he didn't think it was a good idea to tell us what the second sighting was when he was governor. But the 10,000 witness wanted an answers, on what it was. And he said nothing. He was worry about the people's reaction.
This was a completely separate event, Google it and you will see that the Governor saw a fantastic giant floating craft too big to be one of ours, absolutely amazing sighting! The Phoenix sighting rates very, very low on the excitement scale, most likely just flares, watch the above video to see solid evidence that they,(The flares), descended behind the mountains. Two separate events on the same night causing ENDLESS CONFUSION on this sighting.
It DOES make sense that if they are trying to find something that is invisible to radar, that they would use flairs to try to see it, especially if it is humongous.
That is inaccurate information, you are ill informed on this topic, the Governor saw a huge flying triangle or "V", shaped craft in the air around 9:30pm that night, but NOT in Phoenix. The Phoenix event was not reported to be a large craft by any reliable wittinesses. You are spreading misinformation, the real sighting was earlier in the night and was seen by thousands of people, they saw a truly amazing giant craft, tho Phoenix sighting pales in comparison. Why mix the two events together?
If they were flares, they should have cast some significant light on the mountain tops that would have easily been seen from several miles away.
Something else I noticed, there is no light dispersement underneath or above the flares. Each of the lights are very focused as if you were looking into them.
The above video explains this, they were well behind the mountains, this prevented the light from illuminating them from the front, the backs of the mountains may have been illuminated but no witnesses were heard from. The light scattering effect is controlled by how much haze was in the air at the time, the air in Phoenix was very dry and clear that night, this caused the light to appear very sharply defined even though they were many miles away.
Read some of the replies, many people did see a real UFO that night, just not the Phoenix sighting at 10 pm. Of course! 99% of the population wants to have contact with an advanced civilization. With all the giant hovering craft being seen of late, nothing would surprise me!
Then the strobe lights on the A10 Warthog dispersing the flares should be clearly discernable, but they are not. Let me guess, it was flying in blackout mode....not likely. not on a training mission over U.S. land. And if it was dispersing flares, why hte need to fly in black out mode.
Of course there were flares dropped! To illuminate the triangular object the witnesses saw. Witness accounts around Luke Air Force base acknowledge that aircraft were seen and heard leaving the base around this time, too.
No, most likely the events occurred hours apart and they were also geographically separated. The flares may have been used to divert attention away from the giant floating triangle craft seen earlier the same night. But nobody reported seeing the big triangle craft over Phoenix that night.
By "shoot it down", I think you mean to say they invented an excuse to explain it away? Yes, they may have tried to do that, but I am not aware of any specific reports from a Governmental agency refuting the Triangle crafts sightings. Just the "flares" reported near Phoenix that night.
What was the title of this show called
Nitroracer1320 3 weeks ago
I don't claim to know what it was and rightly don't give a fark. U all should quit acting like u do know though. Hard to discount 10000 peeps across the whole state though whatever it was
aningloriousbastard 2 months ago
This certified sighting was never certified by MUFON or any other investigating agency. There is no video which shows this earlier object with a correlating time stamp.
juero63 5 months ago
plus that day they alerted the airforce , the military saw 2 bright objects flying around the base they took off with 2 f16 and started to chase the lights but the lights disappeared in seconds
padawan007 1 year ago
ohh nooo what he say in the video i read this somewhere this stuff with flares is completly bullshit god damn it dont try to explaim the unexplanable there was no fucking flares
padawan007 1 year ago
The best book on the UFO topic just came out by author Leslie Kean. I am a skeptic, but I'm open-minded and have been on the fence on the notion of "extraterrestrial" visitation my whole life. This book is the ONLY book to push me over the edge, and not because she was trying to convince anyone of extraterrestrials. She's just removing the smokescreen. Look it up on Amazon and buy it: "UFOs: Generals, Pilots, and Government Officials Go on the Record" by Leslie Kean.
Symphonitron 1 year ago
I have always thought they were flares. People keep comparing the footage with those smaller flares that helicopters drop as seen from a closer range, but the flares in this video are much more powerful and are much further away. Light travels a LONG way at night. Once, while at a family residence in St. Petersburg, FL, I saw a very bright light as large as my pinky fingernail going UP in the distance. It made no sound. It was the space shuttle launching on the OPPOSITE side of Florida!
Symphonitron 1 year ago
The real "Phoenix Lights" are the object that overflew Phoenix at around 8:30PM-9:00PM. This video was taken at around 10-10:30PM, and I'm convinced they ARE flares. But they are not the Phoenix Lights. I wish the news media would stop playing this explained video every time they do a spot about the Phoenix Lights.
str009 1 year ago
@str009 said;The real "Phoenix Lights" are the object that overflew Phoenix at around 8:30PM-9:00PM
Amen, why focus on the later very questionable sighting, when there was a certified genuine mass sighting earlier? I do not understand the reasoning, people wrongly believe the flares were the same thing seen earlier.
nixter1nixter1 1 year ago
I'm confused then, what was seen earlier? I've seen many documentaries on the Phoenix Lights and they all look like the same flare formations to me. I haven't seen any videos that look strikingly different from this. The fact that the lights wink on and wink off sequentially is a tell-tale sign of flares, and the fact that they appear to be moving horizontally is an illusion caused by the fact that they are much further away than you think, and slowly falling.
Symphonitron 1 year ago
@Symphonitron You have to do some Google searching and some reading to see that the earlier gigantic sighting of a V shaped craft overflew heavily populated ares. Many witnesses saw the first craft quite clearly, it was easily seen to be solid with lights. The later sighting around ten thirty was just lights.
nixter1nixter1 1 year ago 2
@nixter1nixter1 Thanks ... Yeah I'm beginning to see the problem that people are talking about here. There is an EXCELLENT book that I picked up a few weeks ago by Leslie Kean called "UFOs: Generals, Pilots, and Government Officials Go on the Record." There is a chapter on the Phoenix Lights which places more context on this particular video. Now I'm wondering: why would the military launch flares in a formation that sort of looks (on video at least) like the sighting, right after the sighting?
Symphonitron 1 year ago
@nixter1nixter1 Thanks, yes I found all that. So obviously not all the lights were flares. The whole affair is just so fishy... There were many witnesses who saw lights flying before and after the Phoenix flyover, so those were not flares. But why did the military, on the same night of the big sighting, send up flares? At first I thought "smokescreen" and "deniability" but wait a minute, they originally denied flares for several days. Why would they deny their own smokescreen? Fishy.
Symphonitron 1 year ago
@Symphonitron i actualy saw this one, and i know they were not flares. because they were not moving at all they appeared, and vanished. Plus i think we would have heard the plane that dropped the flares, but idk nothing about AF planes so dont take me as fact on that ya know. the flickering of the light has been messn with me to. i think it needs more invetigating because the lights were there like 15 mins so another fact to debunk the flares, and its happened more than once
ShoegunSlimm 1 year ago
Listen , a lot of other countries have released government UFO footage. France Mexico , Spain and others . America wont release information about what they know because our government is working with these beings and benefiting from their technology and GOD only knows what we trading for this technology.
thespokenfont 2 years ago
now even the state governor says there ufos not like in the past as he denied so that clears that out :-)
lonelyheartkandy 2 years ago
@lonelyheartkandy The Governor saw a real UFO, not the flares shown in this video.
nixter1nixter1 1 year ago
A UFO is an unidentified flying object, meaning it's unidentified. It has nothing to do with identifying the object as being extra-terrestrial. (if that were the case they wouldn't be UFO's, right?)
Symphonitron 1 year ago
LOL flares, seriously no-one believes this rubbish. THE MILITARY insisted they would not explore the case of the Phoenix lights - then they came up with 'Lanterns', the people that saw the lights stated they were not lanterns as they stayed in formation through a whole 4 hours of slow movement, also they didnt move downward.
For the person that put up this video, watch the Pheonix lights documentary, same goes for all the mindless people that watch a youtube video explanation and agree.
jimbob150555 2 years ago
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The lights can be seen to slowly drift down in this video, Did you watch it? How can you say the lights did not drift down when the complete opposite is seen? I put up this video, and nobody with any credibility is saying that these lights seen after 10pm were anything other than military flares. Why do you insist on promoting the idea that the flares were UFO's when a real gigantic V or Triangle craft was seen earlier that same night? That was a REAL UFO, this later one was flares
nixter1nixter1 2 years ago
@nixter1nixter1 watch this one.... it looks interesting, dunno if its been aired yet watch?v=uvdFxaLrZiQ
mmaghfai 2 years ago
Good we've finally got this cleared up. People jump to conclusions when they see something they immediately can't explain
olgunucurel 2 years ago 4
@olgunucurel just because the lights went behind the mountains it still isn't enough to prove they were flares.. and I don't believe the air force.. or the government on this issue.. and many more issues..
mobspeak 1 year ago
@mobspeak Your mixing the two events together, the real UFO seen flying low and slow was seen around 9:00pm, it was a real UFO. The later 10pm sighting of the lights in a row over Phoenix was just flares. Two different events on the same night
nixter1nixter1 1 year ago
Honestly :P iv seen lights in the sky i cant explain, either way i dont claim to have seen a alien space craft, and you know why? because i need the proper evidence before i can make such a claim. You have the evidence right in front of you guys! If aliens are visiting us, its not shown in this clip, sorry ;)
fistepot 2 years ago 3
flares dont hover in sky in same position .... no such thing......
bobleeleebob 2 years ago
True, but if you fast forward the video, the flares or lights or whatever CAN be seen to move down, as would flares.
nixter1nixter1 2 years ago
Flares do not stay in formation while scaling Phoenix for over 4 hours, this video is garbage, dont take is seriusly.
jimbob150555 2 years ago
what you mean. Dont take the air force guys talking seriously? i dont believe in those fools, there lying to us! nice try not fooling me!
brickmaster94 2 years ago
Why wouldn't you take them seriously? What is so striking about any of the videos of these lights that just screams "aliens from outer space"? I believe there are very possibly extra-terrestrial flying objects in our skies but not based on this evidence -- I think the Phoenix Lights are flares just as the Air Force says they are. I see no reason to believe otherwise, and I've seen NO videos of these lights flying "overhead".
Symphonitron 1 year ago
If you watch the original video, and compare it to his video where he has 2 frames superimposed, the lights on the original video don't even blink out in the same order, as in his superimposed video.
omgwtfbbqalekx 2 years ago
i believe this is a UFO, i mean when it shows the finished overlapping of the video, you can see 2 of the lights go slightly in front of the mountain! and besides flares don't blink, move up or to the side, and they don't go in a straight line like that, why do they keep hiding this from us?! i wanna live in a world where don't have to lie anymore! and if they are aliens maybe they have technology that can help us with some world issues
JDfanforever 2 years ago
Flares don't stay in a straight line. These lights did. Jim Dilletoso the scientist scanned the military flare's and the phoenix light's data. The data didn't match. So they are NOT flares! Aliens are real! End of Story!
CaptainBones 2 years ago
This is one of the most amusing thread of commentes I have seen on the internet in a long time. Thank you.
It's amazing how many people freak out at something as simple and common as a battlefield flare dropped at night.
mtylerjr 2 years ago
they arn't flares, the lights were seen all the way across the state not just at that mountain and they moved. Watch the documentary
aningloriousbastard 2 years ago
aningloriousbastard, your comment seems to indicate that you are not well read on the subject, the evidence overwhelmingly shows that there were TWO separate sightings that night, the first was of a GIGANTIC V shaped UFO, the later second sighting was just flares, two different events on the same night. Read up on the subject with a little more effort and you will see what I am talking about.
nixter1nixter1 2 years ago
lol get over yr self
yorkandpomona 2 years ago
So you do not know that there were TWO seperate sightings seen by hundreds of witnesses, the first sightings were of a real giant UFO, then later on around 10-10:30pm the flares were seen. Two differant incidents occured on the same night, don't mix them up together they are NOT related at all. Are you trying to hide the facts by giving out false information, stop it! You are damaging real UFO information with your ignorence of the facts.
Squidknucles 2 years ago
@Squidknucles who the hell are you? shut up! leave me alone :)
yorkandpomona 2 years ago
@nixter1nixter1 you should be specific when you put all this info up
yorkandpomona 2 years ago
CaptainBones, Jim Dilletoso also said that a YouTube video of a tree showed an Alien in it, the guy has no creditability at all. Mentioning him as a reference hurts your case.
nixter1nixter1 2 years ago
It's not want the believers want to hear, so therefor hes lying, everyones lying it was aliens blah blah, people listen to yourselfs. It was the military, if not it was a hoax.
xr0ck5tarx 2 years ago
Look at that guy's face, he's totally lying! And why can't the lights be behind the mountains and be a ufo. Maybe the ufo was moving and then disappeared behind the mountains.
hisdudeness26 2 years ago
They aren't falling... they're staying in the exact same spot..
oooohblondiexo 2 years ago
oooohblondiexo said: They aren't falling... they're staying in the exact same spot..
oooohblondiexo
Blind persons should not be making comments without first asking a sighted person to first watch the video and then describe it to them BEFORE commenting. If you had bothered to do this, you would have been informed that, YES, the lights are seen drifting downward as would flares. The video shows them moving downward, if you cannot see this then you really must be blind.
nixter1nixter1 2 years ago
Do you know when you said please follow my instructions:
put it on full screen,go to 2:37,stop it then go like play-pause-play-pause-play-pau se till 2:40.focus on the light that just disappears,and watch how its acting.
ultimate evidence,believe your OWN eyes.
Do you think they're flares or UFOS?
speedyweedylemon 2 years ago
at 2.40 see how the lights fall really fast downwards
grua77 3 years ago
when the phoinex lights fell downwards do you believe it was aliens or flares?
speedyweedylemon 2 years ago
They didn't fall at all. They stayed where they were. They disappeared on top of the mountains. Besides they didn't disappear in the same patten they appeared. So it a extraterrestrial spacecraft. Everybody should know. The military are trying to hide the truth, so nobody to panic of alien invasions. Despite all the alien spacecraft sighting, there has been no invasion.
CaptainBones 2 years ago
CaptainBones, the flares can be seen to be drifting down, fast forwarding the video shows their motion clearly. No need to bend the truth, doing so makes your theory look weak.
nixter1nixter1 2 years ago
Can somebody show me a video of the first siteing please!!!!
speedyweedylemon 3 years ago
i don't think so..
i think real ufo.
coolglock19 3 years ago 2
the military has flown HUGE, triangular rigid helium airships with similar lights over the city. I believe its one of those.
grua77 3 years ago
i think it was a secret military aircraft. if it was a ufo, the airforce would have intercepted, they did nothing. but then again, maybe it was a UFO, they knew about it but did nothing. they knew it wasnt harmful, so they didnt do anything. they know something.
i was actually in phoenix that day, but didnt get to witness it. out of all the days, why didnt i look up!!!
JUKIO01 3 years ago
It was a A UFO. But I don't believe that there was a invasion. If it was a secret military aircraft there it would NEVER fly over a huge city. But the Phoenix Lights did. Beside if it was a secret military aircraft, then people will see it, and it won't be a secret anymore. every time a UFO sighting is reported the Government makes a cosmic cover up. And the military makes up their own explanation. Just to pervert us from panic. They said they were air forces flares. But the witnesses disgraced.
CaptainBones 3 years ago
Also notice how the guy doesnt even know what type of plane he was using, he just says, this is the map we use when the fly in the aeroplane.
That doesnt sound right to me..
triangleshapedcheese 3 years ago
typical coverup bullshit, thats whati say, i bet that guy isnt even a real pilot.
triangleshapedcheese 3 years ago
Read "The Phoenix Lights...A Skeptic's Discovery That We Are Not Alone" to learn that this 'analysis' was faked. A subsequent Fox TV report showed that Cognitech had altered the video to make the case for flares. Not only were the anomalous lights in a rock solid array, impossible for flares, they were in FRONT of the mountain. Key to note that there is one lone light on the RIGHT side of a foreground tree in the real footage, but missing or on the left in the Cognitec video. Just look at it.
pavre69 3 years ago
amazing how they explain it away, frightening
how they do that...
rickdangerwood 3 years ago
american government bullshit
aquaboy232008 3 years ago
Case closed
sbrenn 3 years ago
I love how when UFO believers are faced with a downright logical and plausible story they retreat into conspiracy and delusional righteousness. Project Mogul makes sense because it's the government covering up alien crashes. The military won't let the press cover the "real sightings" only the debunked one. Gimmee a break.
Pariah1974 3 years ago
I saw 5 orbs in the evening between Phoenix and Gila Bend. They were in a line, and turned off one by one. I'm pretty sure they were flares.
EmersonsPage 3 years ago
The 'Flares' were a distraction from the true UFO that night. Arizona has had many, many sightings. The truth of the matter is this: there have been numerous, unique sightings. The government is obviously being infiltrated.They knew the UFO was spotted so they spawned an 'emergency flare test'...how stupid do they think we are? I know what I have seen,thus, I don't automatically disbelieve others' sightings. Beam Me Up Please!!
raineman666 3 years ago
lol these cant be flares, people were reporting seein this thing fly low and one man reported that the lights were so big, holding up a newspaper wudnt fully cover them
mudknot993 3 years ago
Your mixing the two events together, the real UFO seen flying low and slow was seen around 9:00pm, it was a real UFO. The later 10pm sighting of the lights in a row over Phoenix was just flares. Two different events on the same night
nixter1nixter1 3 years ago
isnt it weird the airforce never told anyone they were gonna drop flairs, wouldnt u thnk they would have let the city know they were doing that, so not to panic anyone, its a cover up
txguy4u2001 3 years ago
ok so one guy was realeasing japanese lanterns while the military was dropping flares. jesus.
i saw a huge ass orb 10 feet from me, perfectly speherical emanating green fluorescent light. military flares, swamp gas? ball lightning?
please debunk it for me mr. debunker
part2themovie 3 years ago
Some sightings are real, of course! But on the other hand, some are fake, we have to sort them out somehow, it does us no good to say that ALL UFO reports are accurate, or fake.
nixter1nixter1 3 years ago
Whether light comes from ground or sky, it will prevent to see stars at night.
cgrade0815 3 years ago
That is true, the brighter the light, the more stars that will be dimmed to the point that they cannot be seen. But some of the witnesses of the giant V shaped craft seen around 8:30-9:00pm said it was very low to the ground and they reported seeing the bottom of it as it very slowly traversed directly overhead, they claimed to have seen the craft quite clearly, unlike the later 10:00 pm sighting near Phoenix the same night, that one was flares.
nixter1nixter1 3 years ago
Scratch the I ment to say behind the mountains.*
llDevilsRejectll 3 years ago
I sounds like you did not watch the video, it shows that the lights ONLY move in one direction, DOWN! You may be confusing the earlier 9pm sighting of a real UFO seen by the Governor of the State, the sighting shown in this video was taken around 10pm, and they have been shown to be flares, note how they slowly drift down, as would flares, the pilot who dropped them say the same thing. The 9pm sighting = real UFO, the 10pm sighting = flares, don't mix the separate events together.
nixter1nixter1 3 years ago
Nixter, I was born in Phoenix and lived there a while. The reason I posted that comment was because alot of my family saw it. The ones we saw was the non-flares and they slowly moved across the city. But I don't know for surely... So I quess everyones allways going to be in this state of confeusion.
llDevilsRejectll 3 years ago
The real UFO blocked the stars above it as it slowly moved across the night sky, it was an amazing sight, but the later 10pm sighting was not like the earlier one at all, just a row of lights that sank down as they descended behind the mountains. If anyone saw the first one, then they experienced something VERY unusual indeed!
nixter1nixter1 3 years ago
Yeah, I bet the government made the 10pm one to try and prove that it was them. But you're right. the 9pm was truley an amazing sight and will never be forgotten. I was scarred and amazed when I saw them. :)
llDevilsRejectll 3 years ago
The Government is terrible at lieing... The Phoenix lights moved across the city... They didn't just drop from mod air and move behind the city...
llDevilsRejectll 3 years ago
No video shows the 10pm lights moving in a direction other than straight down. The 9pm sighting is what you are thinking of, two separate events on the same night, causing endless confusion.
nixter1nixter1 3 years ago
I don't understand why the lights on the UFO that was seen at 9PM were dim. They were hard to see. But if you know how flares react, they don't react the way the 10PM light do. What I don't understand is Why they called their night training operation snowbird. Where did the military get the idea of Snowbird. The flares might of landed closer to the mountain range than the Phoenix Lights. Beside all the witnesses find the flare explanation impossible to believe.
CaptainBones 3 years ago
Flares are designed to burn as bright as possible to illuminate the Battlefield, a UFO's lights on the other hand are most likely the results of the crafts propulsion system. The triangle style craft lights, as seen at 9pm, were the same brightness as reported in other similar sightings. You are VERY wrong to say that "all" the witnesses said they couldn't be flares, the overwhelming evidence points to flares at the later 10pm sighting, the pilots themselves said they were flares!
nixter1nixter1 3 years ago
Wait a minute. Do you remember the video I shared with you? A Deeper Look In The Phoenix Lights? According to that video the witnesses find the governor's flare explanation not true. Or the video I shared with you a couple days ago? It seems you don't believe what you heard from the videos. The witnesses didn't say they are flares. They said that this is nothing like they ever seen before. Beside Dr. Lynne Kitei believe that they were amber orbs from a V-shaped extraterrestrial spacecraft.
CaptainBones 3 years ago
You are mixing up the two SEPARATE events yet again! The 9pm sighting was a real giant delta shaped craft seen by the Gov. The later 10pm sighting was not seen by the Gov. Dr. Lynne Kitei never even claimed to have seen the Phoenix lights, she saw earth lights on her property, this does not make her an expert on the sighting. The only experts with military experiance have said they dropped flares that night, that's enough evidence for me, 9pm = real UFO,... 10pm = FLARES!
nixter1nixter1 3 years ago
You don't have any proof. Your video proves nothing. I will find a way to prove you wrong. Why? Because I don't give up that easy? We both agree on what the Phoenix Light sighting on 9PM was. But we don't agree on the 10PM sighting. That will change. Why don't you talk the Lynne Kitei yourself. She claims to see strange lights in the sky before that night. She believe that are from alien spaces.
CaptainBones 3 years ago
Hey do you have a video of the 9PM lights??
speedyweedylemon 3 years ago
A few months ago i posted my personal experience sightings facts & educated knowledge that explained why these particular objects were in-fact military aircraft deployed flares. I soon discovered it was pointless to waste time or the effort. My conclusion is the majority of pro UFO people prefer to believe fiction over the fact. Go figure? lol
wall2wall99 3 years ago
You are so right, I place the blame mostly on the various media outlets that cover the UFO phenomena. Coast to Coast and all the UFO documentaries give false information about this Phoenix lights story. They ALWAYS show a clip of the 10:00pm flares and make some sort of inference that they,(The flares), were what the witnesses said was a giant UFO seen that night. That is NOT TRUE, at 8:30 to 9:00pm, a huge craft a quarter of a mile across with brilliant lights blazing was seen,that was the one!
nixter1nixter1 3 years ago
Ya, the media only show and explain it as one single event, its like they've been told not to mention the first one. And so people believe the flare story and yet another UFO story is buried with confusion and lies. I bet they dropped those flares just for that reason, to confuse people. Do you know of any videoes of the first sighting?
CaptEm1 3 years ago
I saw the same thing last night(only 4 though), just after 10PM, while traveling west on I-8. I was right around Wellton Arizona, just north of the Barry M. Goldwater AFB. Flares?!? I can't see how flares could do what I saw =/
ACAMBAR0 3 years ago
Since you did not describe what your flares did, we can not glean any useful information from your post, but the 10pm. Phoenix lights were definitely seen to be slowly drifting down as they burned. If you saw a line of bright lights over an Air Force Base, it seems safe to deduce that you saw some sort of military aerial lights, UFO's tend to move rapidly, making sharp turns without slowing as they do so.
nixter1nixter1 3 years ago
Those lights don't fall!!
kjk3000 3 years ago
Watch the video again, you can CLEARLY see them slowly lowering, also the witnesses in the original videos of the indecent can be heard to say that they are falling, that means that they were falling.
nixter1nixter1 3 years ago
Actually it's not clear at all; it's filmed from so far away.
kjk3000 3 years ago
The fact that they are slowly lowering is as clear as a bell, to say otherwise is to be deliberately ignorant. Facts are facts, the video here shows that the 10:00 pm sighting was flares, period.
nixter1nixter1 3 years ago
This doesn't solve anything.
The craft was reported to fly from one corner of arizona to the other, pheonix was not the only city to see this it's just where most of the reports came from.
do some research man.
immapwner 3 years ago
I take it you don't know very much about this incident? It's common knowledge that two separate events occurred that night, around 9pm, a real UFO was seen, later around 10:30pm the flares were seen over Phoenix, why would you want to focus on the flares when a real gigantic V shaped craft was seen by thousands? You are doing real harm to the UFO topic by pushing nonsense claims, the flares have been proven as flares, but what about the UFO seen at 9pm?
nixter1nixter1 3 years ago
First of all, I'm NOT ignorant, and I think it's extremely rude of you to tell me I'm ignorant for having an opinion about something. Second, there isn't as much coverage on the V shaped UFO so I'm sorry to say that no, I don't know much about that incident. Let's just leave it as that yeah?
kjk3000 3 years ago
McLaranium,
Lo que me molesta es LA MENTIRA, EL FRAUDE, EL CINISMO, LA FALTA DE ESCRUPULOS, LA AMBICION ENFERMIZA. En fin, todas las "cualidades" del Maussan.
Por ejemplo, en el caso de Jonathan Reed, Maussan se encargo de encubrir el FRAUDE y en lugar de aclararlo, se dedico a ganar MUCHO DINERO dando conferencias sensasionalistas.
Acaso Maussan ha pedido perdon por las mentiras que dijo en ese caso?
Acaso ha devuelto el dinero de las conferencias que dio al respecto?
RealUFOdefender 3 years ago
pero las mentiras sobre que??? dicen que son luces provocadas por hombres..no entiendo bien el ingles.. gracias por explicarme si opinas que son ufos reales o no..gracias
carlotta8 3 years ago
i just searched phoenix lights on yt and there were no results...
brainchildtim 3 years ago
The first sighting was a UFO with 5 lights. However they weren't seen very well for some reason. The second sighting of the Phoenix Lights is what the people wondered what is was. Because they said it was like nothing they ever seen before. It took many month for the military to say they were flares. But why? Even when the witnesses refuse to believe it. And Jim Dilletoso proved that they weren't flares when he discovered that all flare DNA didn't match the Phoenix Lights DNA. So it's a UFO.
CaptainBones 3 years ago
Jim Dilletoso used a light spectrum analysis method that determines the chemical composition based on the colors of light, that is, differing compounds emit differing colors, BUT this method is not accurate when large distances are involved, the colors change when viewed from a large distance, in this case the distance was over twenty miles away. So you see the analysis is flawed, the lights could still be flares, his analysis proves nothing.
nixter1nixter1 3 years ago
this video tells & shows the reality of the infamous so called phoenix ufo sightings. its astonishing how many people still or ever believe them to be genuine ufos
wall2wall99 3 years ago
This is the WRONG video. There were TWO sightings that night. The UFO earlier in the evening, then THIS VIDEO(flares). Fife Symington, AZ governor, saw the large structured triangular craft himself earlier that night. He himself believes the craft was unearthly. Skeptics love to use the flare video to discount the real sighting which happened EARLIER that night. The video of the UFO lights is rare, however, the 'flare' video from that night is very common & mistaken for the real thing often.
spacemanjupiter 3 years ago
I agree totally, two sightings that night, first one was a huge V or triangle shaped craft seen by the Gov. Later on at 10pm near Phoenix the flares were seen, the TV reports ALWAYS show then as the UFOs, this causes endless confusion as to what was seen. Look at my other videos, one does show the real sighting.
nixter1nixter1 3 years ago
This was what convinced me that this particular sighting was in fact, flares as they said. I'm a huge believe in UFOs and the like, but eve someone as non skeptical as me has to admit that those lights are nothing special.
They still have nothing about the first sighting though.
soniquefus 3 years ago
there was a ufo similiar to the on in the vid in bham alabama where i live but it was turning it turned about 3 or 4 times flew north at a slow speed very slow speed and all of a sudden 10 more lights came up with the 3 lights that was already there that totals up to 13 lights the 3 was in a triangle shape and the 10 lights was in the shape of a circle the circle was around the 3 lights and the 10 lights was way bigger than the 3 lights i wanted to get my camera but i heard
ronalddatcher 3 years ago
that's the wrong video.
the real one is very convincing, and has yet to air on any u.s. produced tv show or documentary that i've seen. the flares were launched over an hour after the original sighting.
sonicsnout 3 years ago
They launched the flairs after the real UFO left, to try and cover it up as a military training exercise with flares
AlchemistShaman 3 years ago
come on explain the first sighting second sighting set up to distract first
dicidec 3 years ago
if non believers wanna say ufos are fake go for it.but the first sighting was real the 2nd not so sure only cause the first sighting the orbs were actually moving
dicidec 3 years ago
Hey nixter1nixter1, I noted that most of the UFO believers blindly trust the Governor of Arizona. However, he also could have been FOOLED by the flares just like we were.
Also, please don't forget that ALL the politicians ALWAYS say what the people want to hear, even when they think otherwise.
Even Barack Obama just said that ALL the presidential candidates ALWAYS say what the people want to hear just to be elected and, once in power, they betray everybody in favor of corporate lobbyists.
LongLiveUSA0704 3 years ago
Click on my name by this video, nixter1nixter1, watch the other video I posted about the Phoenix lights, it shows that the Phoenix lights,(The flares), were not the actual sighting of a UFO, THAT happened earlier at around 9pm further up north of Phoenix, and THAT is the one the Governor saw. Two events happened that night and only ONE of them was a real UFO. This one is worth a Google search and reading up on the topic. Everyone thinks the flares were a UFO, even though there is NO PROOF of it!
nixter1nixter1 3 years ago
Hello nixter1nixter1, thanks for keeping yourself open minded. I want to make something clear, I'm not a SKEPTIC, I WANT TO BELIEVE, just like Fox Mulder's poster said. For many years I Thought the Phoenix UFO was the most reliable sighting because there were THOUSANDS of eyewitnesses and the video was the PROOF. Now that it has been explained, I think that most of the information given was caused by excitment. Even now, for me it's hard to believe that we were totally FOOLED by simple FLARES.
LongLiveUSA0704 3 years ago
I can't understand the UFO believers! Now that the Phoenix UFO sighting has been clearly explained, they say that there were TWO different sightings: one at around 9:00 and other one around 10:00.
According to the comments here, there were THOUSANDS OF REPUTABLE WITNESSES WHO SAW A HUGE UFO FLYING VERY LOW AND SLOW FOR A CONSIDERABLE PERIOD OF TIME. Then, how come NOBODY took at least ONE picture? oh! I'm sorry I forgot the ETs caused ALL the cameras to malfunction! Please answer with HONESTY
LongLiveUSA0704 3 years ago
LongLiveUSA0704, your reply will anger the true believers, but your overall outlook is scientifically correct, in this case the news services always show the video footage taken of the 10pm sighting of the flares, because they show up clearly, the earlier sighting of the giant UFO seen by the Governor only has one very poor quality video of that craft, it is never shown because it is grainy. But no matter how good the quality of images, they will never be accepted as proof of UFOs.
nixter1nixter1 3 years ago
Seriously, As for the "V" formations flying over head are F-16s in formation waiting their turn to refuel from a KC-135. The lights are on the fueling receptacle. Said light comes on when when the fueling receptacle is in use and goes out when retracted. Said fueling happens at altitude hence no sound is heard on the ground. This also explains why the formations appear and disappear as well as change shape. Some people really want to believe in UFOs!!!!!
rrmfg 3 years ago
im pretty sure you would hear them at the estimated elevation of 500 feet (five hundred)
piperd07 3 years ago
And what about the row of windows where humanlike sillouettes were seen by some witnesses?
oneandatwo 3 years ago
I hadn't heard that one, I wonder how reliable the witnesses were in that account?!
nixter1nixter1 3 years ago
I saw the "lights"..they are flares..same as seen in 1991.1993..1995..1997..2002..2006..Barry Goldwater range,happens many times
no cover up , well documented..just people trying to get attention..
dodgertown2008 3 years ago
The 90:00 event is another prove that Aliens are real. They do exist. In fact there been UFO sighting all over the world. This 9:00 event was seen by the largest amount of people. If the 10:00 sighting were made by military flares then why did Fife Symington say it was a UFO in 2007?
CaptainBones 3 years ago
Fife never said that, he was referring to the 9:00pm sighting, look it up. He has stated MANY times that the Phoenix lights seen at 10:00pm were not the same as the giant craft seen at 9:00pm earlier. He says flat out, that the 2nd sighting was flares, he is a ex Military pilot, he knows what flares look like. Yes, the 9pm sighting was something amazing!
nixter1nixter1 3 years ago
attention everyone: goto google images and type in "phoenix lights" and copy and paste an image of the lights onto you're favorite image editor. then zoom in on all 6 lights and you will start to see a cigar shaped object surrounding the lights.
FOR ANY QUESTIONS PM: GMODV9
Gmodv9 3 years ago
If it only shows up after applying high zoom settings you are introducing pixel artifacts, nothing was reported to be a solid ship at the 10:00pm sighting, these were flares, they slowly dropped down behind the mountains, the video here shows that much. The interesting UFO was seen around 9:00pm, not in Phoenix though. Two separate events that night, do not mix them together, first sighting, huge "V" shaped craft seen, 10:00pm sighting, Flares.
nixter1nixter1 3 years ago
People just WANT to believe they are aliens with big eyes, in spaceships, naked (why are they always naked?), bald (why are they always bald?), and are too stupid to conceal themselves from primitive human technology. Why couldn't this be human-made? Some people just want it to be "UFOs".
TheMexicaMovement 3 years ago
I support your science based logic, if Aliens, are real, give evidence, etc,.. You are right. But after the sighting by Gov. Fife Symington, he said it was much too large to have been one of ours, he is a pilot, and knows aircraft, this one was up to a mile across as reported by hundreds of eye wittinesses. Our government would not likely fly these over major population centers with the leading edge lights blazing away as reported that night. I think we will have this someday, but not yet.
nixter1nixter1 3 years ago
OP im sorry but you do not have a very valid position. Do some more research beyond this youtube video, google phoenix lights and look at some of hte reasearch others have done. There is a lady out there i do not know her name but shes easy to find, she had taken a video from her home in the mountains, and it debunks your debunk theory. She was elevated with the lights and they were moving, not descending. I do believe flares were shot that night, but as a cover up so society wouldnt go crazy
grizadams07 3 years ago
Your last sentence agrees with this video, so we have no disagreement, the other lights seen in that area on other nights are a thought to be what is called Earth Lights. The doctor lady has been seeing these for years, she wrote a book about it, but the 9:00pm sighting was not just lights, but something very unusual. I do not rely on only YouTube videos, give me a little credit.
nixter1nixter1 3 years ago
i give you credit this video is interesting, im agreeing that there were flares that night, but somebody leaked that the government had shot them after the lights had appeared to cover it up since they were getting so much attention, the first set of lights were not flares. This video does have a sound arguement, but if you look at some other videos it is hard to debate both sides. Honestly, the governement is probably involved with every aspect of this situation
grizadams07 3 years ago
Your theory is plausible, if you follow the path of the giant "V", shaped craft it seems to have taken a path from the north around 9:00pm traveling to the south, it may have been heading towards Phoenix around 10:00pm, that is when the flares were dropped. So if that was their plan, it succeeded completely, whenever the topic comes up, the News service ALWAYS shows a video of the flares in the background as part of the story.
nixter1nixter1 3 years ago
You are always nuts to disbelieve the witnesses. They say that both sighting of the Phoenix Lights were from a extraterrestrial spacecraft. I couldn't believe that the Gov. didn't tell us that it was a UFO until 2007. Was Fife scared of the people's reaction? Maybe.
CaptainBones 4 years ago
Does that include the witnesses who said the lights were just flares? We would be nuts to disbelieve those witnesses too? Or you just believe the witnesses who say what you already believe? No need to say the Phoenix lights were alien spaceships, those were seen earlier that night. The Phoenix lights seen at 10:00 pm were flares, the giant UFO seen at 9:00pm was the REAL sighting that night, NOT the flares, do not mix the two events together, they are separate events, period.
nixter1nixter1 3 years ago
Every witnesses to the 10:00 P.M. Phoenix Light sighting said it was another UFO. The 10:00 P.M. didn't look like flares. Flares don't fall in a V shape formation. After the event people tried to call the press conference, they tried to call the Gov. Fife Symington to get the answers. But no one answered. And Fife Symington refuse to allow a investigation. The questions were what it was? And where did it come from? The people who saw the lights said it's like nothing they ever seen before.
CaptainBones 3 years ago
CaptainBones, you are completely wrong on that statement,Not one reliable wittiness has said the flares were ET craft. You are spreading misinformation about this event, the 10:00pm sightings have been accepted as being flares, time to move on. Fife Symington is the best eye wittiness on this sighting, he says clearly, that the craft he saw around 9:00pm was a huge floating V craft, he says clearly, that the Phoenix Lights were FLARES. Get over it!
nixter1nixter1 3 years ago
if they've been around so long how come nothing more than a sighting? nothing.
all that time and they never stop to say, "hi." really. millinia and you have no proof to show, except people saying they saw something. come on...
lot of people say they see elvis, too, that he's not really dead. so are am i suppose to believe he's still alive....give me a break.
you're a nut.
gripper61 4 years ago
This video is not meant to convince anyone of of extra terrestrial visitation, although the evidence shows that an amazingly large craft floated over Arizona on March 13th, 1997, The goal of this video is to SEPARATE the two sightings seen in the Arizona skies that night. It is the mainly the UFO enthusiasts who believe that the flares were UFOs. I will not admonish your "nut" comment, because you are correct, I am nuts about using science to discover what may have really happened that night.
nixter1nixter1 4 years ago
gimme a break the whole damn city saw this thing...it was huge atleast 2 blocks big...it flew...and we didnt make it
seamusdog420 4 years ago
Your answer identifies you as someone who has limited knowledge of the incident, no witnesses reported the flares moving in any direction other than down, the video above clearly shows that they slowly descended as would flares. Your mistaken opinion is shared by most UFO enthusiasts,however that information is not based on fact, I urge you to research this further, the facts are there if you really are interested in the truth.
nixter1nixter1 4 years ago
Aren't flares used to light up an area? If that many flares were hanging in the air (anti grav flares???) like theses were, wouldn't it have been very bright?
60774766 4 years ago
Read the above comments and replies your concerns have been addressed numerous times. Watch the video, it shows that the flares were BEHIND the mountains, that is where the light would have been seen.
nixter1nixter1 4 years ago
Military flares are quite large, they are engineered to output extremely high levels of light, and the air was very clear that night.
nixter1nixter1 4 years ago
I am sure that theses are flares, however seeing them fall behind a mountain that is some distance away,seems to make the flares look huge in comparison to the mountain which is in front of them (check it out). How big are the flares?
tarifa37 4 years ago
This only proves that the lights were behind the mountain, not that they were flares. If a large hovering craft were to slowly descend behind the mountain, as if it was landing, we would see the smae effect, no?
The Flares are a cover story. The supposed A-10 Warthog is not visible while the lights are appearing. FAA strobe lights would be clearly visible in the clear desert sky if the A-10 was dropping flares. Yet no one saw them.
jeddyhi 4 years ago
Strobes are strictly forbidden when night operational training exercises are in effect, especially when dropping flares, in a combat situation the strobes would announce the aircrafts position. Training sessions are meant to reproduce the conditions that may be encountered during actual combat operations, hence no lights are used.
nixter1nixter1 4 years ago
how many of you ufoers smoke crack more than once a week?
gripper61 4 years ago
There are many Military and Police officials who would take issue with that comment. Many upstanding "Non crack smokers", have seen UFO like phenomena, what if you were to see something? Would you step forward and talk about it? Or would you be afraid that someone would say that you are on crack? It is healthy to have a scientifically based skepticism, but if we want the real sightings to be disclosed we must not attack legitimate witnesses. The UFO nuts we shall always have.
nixter1nixter1 4 years ago
Many saw a craft. One video shows this going over her house it blocked the stars between the lights
She said it took 10 m ins to pass. Also this does not look like the one in many videos offered, nor does the time of flares and time of sighting by witnesses coincide.
danicacancan 4 years ago
Read some the above replies, your comment has been addressed in detail, you are right but also wrong.
nixter1nixter1 4 years ago
You are mixing up the two events of that night. First was the Triangle or V shaped craft and then later after 10pm there was the line of lights seen in the sky. Two separate events happened that night, they must not be combined together without more evidence linking them.
nixter1nixter1 4 years ago
Well he didn't say anything about the first sighting. But he didn't think it was a good idea to tell us what the second sighting was when he was governor. But the 10,000 witness wanted an answers, on what it was. And he said nothing. He was worry about the people's reaction.
CaptainBones 4 years ago
Is this what the governor of Arizona said that he saw, or was that a different incident?
bobviously 4 years ago
Ah, how did I miss the previous post. Excuse me.
bobviously 4 years ago
This was a completely separate event, Google it and you will see that the Governor saw a fantastic giant floating craft too big to be one of ours, absolutely amazing sighting! The Phoenix sighting rates very, very low on the excitement scale, most likely just flares, watch the above video to see solid evidence that they,(The flares), descended behind the mountains. Two separate events on the same night causing ENDLESS CONFUSION on this sighting.
nixter1nixter1 4 years ago
It DOES make sense that if they are trying to find something that is invisible to radar, that they would use flairs to try to see it, especially if it is humongous.
bobviously 4 years ago
This is a lie.
Actually, even the former governer Fife Symington had seen this UFO.
mimoka22 4 years ago
That is inaccurate information, you are ill informed on this topic, the Governor saw a huge flying triangle or "V", shaped craft in the air around 9:30pm that night, but NOT in Phoenix. The Phoenix event was not reported to be a large craft by any reliable wittinesses. You are spreading misinformation, the real sighting was earlier in the night and was seen by thousands of people, they saw a truly amazing giant craft, tho Phoenix sighting pales in comparison. Why mix the two events together?
nixter1nixter1 4 years ago
If they were flares, they should have cast some significant light on the mountain tops that would have easily been seen from several miles away.
Something else I noticed, there is no light dispersement underneath or above the flares. Each of the lights are very focused as if you were looking into them.
reddfactory 4 years ago
The above video explains this, they were well behind the mountains, this prevented the light from illuminating them from the front, the backs of the mountains may have been illuminated but no witnesses were heard from. The light scattering effect is controlled by how much haze was in the air at the time, the air in Phoenix was very dry and clear that night, this caused the light to appear very sharply defined even though they were many miles away.
nixter1nixter1 4 years ago
Good points. I don't know what to think. My wishful thinking wants it to be a ship from another place or time.
reddfactory 4 years ago
Read some of the replies, many people did see a real UFO that night, just not the Phoenix sighting at 10 pm. Of course! 99% of the population wants to have contact with an advanced civilization. With all the giant hovering craft being seen of late, nothing would surprise me!
nixter1nixter1 4 years ago
Then the strobe lights on the A10 Warthog dispersing the flares should be clearly discernable, but they are not. Let me guess, it was flying in blackout mode....not likely. not on a training mission over U.S. land. And if it was dispersing flares, why hte need to fly in black out mode.
jeddyhi 4 years ago
Of course there were flares dropped! To illuminate the triangular object the witnesses saw. Witness accounts around Luke Air Force base acknowledge that aircraft were seen and heard leaving the base around this time, too.
whitteydog 4 years ago
No, most likely the events occurred hours apart and they were also geographically separated. The flares may have been used to divert attention away from the giant floating triangle craft seen earlier the same night. But nobody reported seeing the big triangle craft over Phoenix that night.
nixter1nixter1 4 years ago
n u gotta let people that ven though flares were dropped people reported the craft 2 hours earlier, but y didnt the airforce shoot it down?
palaciopalermo12 4 years ago
By "shoot it down", I think you mean to say they invented an excuse to explain it away? Yes, they may have tried to do that, but I am not aware of any specific reports from a Governmental agency refuting the Triangle crafts sightings. Just the "flares" reported near Phoenix that night.
nixter1nixter1 4 years ago