Evolution is a fact and a theory just like how Gravity is a fact and a theory. ignorant creationist dont even know what a theory is. a theory is a idea that has evidence that backs it up and still being tested.
I'm an atheist because I haven't sensed god with my own senses, I haven't picked up his signal on the TV or radio, nor has a Geiger counter detected him, nor has a dog sniffed him out of his hiding place. I know something exists by being able to detect it and verify countless times that it exists where it is in its domain. Spending time speculating or believing in ideas that may not exist is a waste of time unless it can be proven with a means that everyone can verify for themselves.
Confusing religion and science gets you elected,gets laws changed , torture legitimized and used. We are going into a new dark age where inquisition will reappear and people will cheer with glee and delight as their neighbor gets it up the butt. This is the America we have become this is the life we choose this is the poverty of mind ,spirt , and soul we masturbate our brains nightly to on CNN and Fox.
@jobedied Yeaahhh no. What you describe wont happen because the only people that take the creationist morons seriously is thier neighbors. The last thing they want are smart people because smart people dont buy that crap. As a result they are a collection of stupid people that occaisionnaly convince other stupid people. Either way they will always be outmanuevered and beaten because as I said...they are stupid. They are full of crap and like monkeys spend thier time throwing it at people.
For those of you who would say that believing that there are no alien abductions does not require faith, I humbly ask, what proof is there that alien abduction does not exist? (Before you answer, remember this, in general, just because there is lack of evidence to prove something does not necessarily imply that it is in fact not true.)
The idea of the existence of alien abductions (or the lack thereof) is a paradoxical one. This is a concept that cannot be definitively proven or disproven.
For those of you who would say that believing that there is no God does not require faith, I humbly ask, what proof is there that God does not exist? (Before you answer, remember this, in general, just because there is lack of evidence to prove something does not necessarily imply that it is in fact not true.) The idea of the existence of God (or the lack there of) is a paradoxical one. This is a concept that cannot be definitively proven or disproven.
Well its true that you can not disprove god, since you can not disprove the negative, and that because you do not have the evidence for something, does not mean that its false.
However without any evidence for something, there is no reason to belive in it, ill give you an example.
Under my bed is a invisible unicorn, it likes to hide.
Now you cant disprove this, do you believe it?
Humans dont tend to believe stuff without evidence for it, if we did, we would believe in all sort of crazy stuff.
@Turha101 Unfortunately we (but not you and I ;) ) do believe in crazy stuff. I find the biblical writings on god very depressing. God is an egotistical maniac who needs to bully and prove his macho glory to common humans scurrying on the face of the earth in filth and squalor. What a weak and foolish god. Definitely a concept thought up by a few hebrew old farts with script skills.
@rzielske That depends how you based your beliefs: if your faith is based on any book written by bronze age men thousands of years ago, and/or if your description of "God" is that of any deity, entity, or "spirit" separate from man, animal or thing, then that "God" does NOT exits. The "God" that does exists is YOU, for YOU are are part of The Infinite Whole- The Universal Mind, which is composed of infinite universes, including this very visible one. ☼
@rzielske You can make anything up, and claim that it could still exist even though there is no evidence for it.
Atheists and theists alike, know nothing of the true concept of god. They can only speculate. My idea of god might be different to yours. Which god is the real or true one? How can I share my idea of god to you? It's impossible! I think god is a concept so hard to grasp that it withers away into nothing and therefore cannot exist in my mind at all. This is atheist logic not belief.
@DeJay14 Hahaha believe in atheism? It's like asking whether I believe in the Sun. I believe there are religions, and atheism isn't a religion. It is a label placed onto the unfortunate ones who must bare living without a god and being picked on by theists as a result of it.
Atheists are truly the gifted people with sight in the wilderness of the blind.
@rzielske what in this world doesn't require belief or faith? Saying you don't believe in god is still a belief. "I believe that I don't believe in god".
Honestly, what is the point of discussion here? None.
Atheism is just straight out rejection of other peoples beliefs in god, not just disbelief in god. We aren't saying that faith or belief is false, belief in god is false.
I have 200+ undergrad credits and I am free to believe either theory as a Catholic. But I do not see ANY science behind evolution. The fossil record proves creation though. 99.9% of the fossils start in one period of the geological record. There are a handful of "claims" of missing link fossils and thousands of established fossils from species. There is so much more, do the research and learn.
Haven't you just shot yourself in the foot? If even 0.01% of fossils were from different periods, as you're suggesting, then shouldn't that be a refutation of creation?
An intelligent question. Not as I see it. Remember the geology is shifting. I don't consider strata of sedimentary rock from potentially millions of years ago as an exact science. I consider it a guideline to judge LARGE periods of time. Some fossils can "jump" from sedimentary later to layer as they are crunched, rubbed, raised, or lowered by each other.
Remember, this is a scientific discussion. Not an act of faith.
From what I've gathered - and I don't mean this offensively - you're suggesting that over millions of years, fossils have jumped around the sedimentary layers, and somehow rearranged themselves in such a way that younger fossils are on top and the older ones on the bottom, and this attests to creation?
5 years of biology and you learned nothing at all about evolution? I studied biology too, and I wonder why you are the only one who sees 99.9 % of fossils in one geological period? This is physically impossible, by the way.
I don't know for sure, but I like to think that the Judge (Republican, no science training, church-goer and appointed by Bush) thought before the case, "What's the big deal about a 1 minute statement?" but was so thoroughly convinced by the facts from the evolution side and the dishonesty from the ID side that he was wholly 'converted'.
You've hit the nail on the head. When the *facts* are examined in an objective and critical matter, they rather speak for themselves. This examination is *exactly* what Judge Jones did.
Those who support ID or creationsim (same thing) by regurgitating lies from a creationist website would do very well to investigate for yourselves instead.
They wouldn't sound nearly as idiotic if they could actually state a fact accurately instead of just repeating dogma and lies.
So, explain this to me again Thunda.. regarding your biblical flood, .. How did those Kangaroo's hop all the way back from Mount Ararat in the middle east, back to Australia ,
If you answer me, ..I've got loads and loads more questions for you.
sorry, mate, but thats just not right. There are multiple bible-believing christians who can biblically back up a local flood which covered 'the land', not 'the world'. They are the same hebrew word. it could be either
Intelligent design does NOT say that there is a judo-christian all-loving bible-making god, BY DEFINITION. Stop this crap about trying to disprove ID just so you can disprove God. Disprove him directly!
How can i disprove God? .. i cant, anymore than i can disprove fairies and elves.
Yes, i agree, the world has had many many local floods, We had a bit of a downpour here in Swindon only last month. .. my tulip bulbs were devestated.
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big bang and evolution can only be proved from "intellegent design" something cant come from nothing, and evolution.... well, the fact that god designed it to happen, is undermining his creation. it would be like saying darwin's discovery was discovered by ronald mcdonald.
he exists outside of time and outside of the universe. He isn't limited like we all are. If there is no time, there is no beginning, so God had no beginning.
well, all theories prove that the universe was not always here, it had a definite beginning. god has no beginning and no end, im saying that all theories can be proven.... just god had something to do with it, now that is a fact, not a theory.
"all theories prove that the universe was not always here".
I see your understanding of science is as thourough as your grasp on grammar.
"god had something to do with it, now that is a fact, not a theory. "
No, that is your belief. It is not a fact, and it certainly isn't a scientific theory. Once again, you regurgitate dogma, call it fact with nothing to back it up, and expect the world to see it your way.
if you believe it. there are no holes in the story of creation. i believe in god. he lives out of time because he created it. our reality is his clay. he can mold and change it to fit wat he would like it to be. it needs no justification, if you believe it.
I wonder what name the creationists will come up with next for their bullshit?
The scientifically scientific and not creationism/intelligent design theory?
knobcheese22 11 months ago
Evolution is a fact and a theory just like how Gravity is a fact and a theory. ignorant creationist dont even know what a theory is. a theory is a idea that has evidence that backs it up and still being tested.
bboyloco3 1 year ago
I'm an atheist because I haven't sensed god with my own senses, I haven't picked up his signal on the TV or radio, nor has a Geiger counter detected him, nor has a dog sniffed him out of his hiding place. I know something exists by being able to detect it and verify countless times that it exists where it is in its domain. Spending time speculating or believing in ideas that may not exist is a waste of time unless it can be proven with a means that everyone can verify for themselves.
LOLDISNEYLAND 1 year ago
Burn you creotards!! Feel the sting!! :D
viper8red 1 year ago
"But without faith It is impossible to glad GOD."
018RYJ 1 year ago
Confusing religion and science gets you elected,gets laws changed , torture legitimized and used. We are going into a new dark age where inquisition will reappear and people will cheer with glee and delight as their neighbor gets it up the butt. This is the America we have become this is the life we choose this is the poverty of mind ,spirt , and soul we masturbate our brains nightly to on CNN and Fox.
jobedied 1 year ago 13
@jobedied Haunting and well said. I really hope that isn't the future. But you may be right.
viper8red 1 year ago
@jobedied Yeaahhh no. What you describe wont happen because the only people that take the creationist morons seriously is thier neighbors. The last thing they want are smart people because smart people dont buy that crap. As a result they are a collection of stupid people that occaisionnaly convince other stupid people. Either way they will always be outmanuevered and beaten because as I said...they are stupid. They are full of crap and like monkeys spend thier time throwing it at people.
mucephi1 11 months ago
@mucephi1 I hope you are correct.
jobedied 11 months ago
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For those of you who would say that believing that there are no alien abductions does not require faith, I humbly ask, what proof is there that alien abduction does not exist? (Before you answer, remember this, in general, just because there is lack of evidence to prove something does not necessarily imply that it is in fact not true.)
The idea of the existence of alien abductions (or the lack thereof) is a paradoxical one. This is a concept that cannot be definitively proven or disproven.
flamerod169 1 year ago
For those of you who would say that believing that there is no God does not require faith, I humbly ask, what proof is there that God does not exist? (Before you answer, remember this, in general, just because there is lack of evidence to prove something does not necessarily imply that it is in fact not true.) The idea of the existence of God (or the lack there of) is a paradoxical one. This is a concept that cannot be definitively proven or disproven.
rzielske 2 years ago
Well its true that you can not disprove god, since you can not disprove the negative, and that because you do not have the evidence for something, does not mean that its false.
However without any evidence for something, there is no reason to belive in it, ill give you an example.
Under my bed is a invisible unicorn, it likes to hide.
Now you cant disprove this, do you believe it?
Humans dont tend to believe stuff without evidence for it, if we did, we would believe in all sort of crazy stuff.
Turha101 2 years ago
@Turha101 Unfortunately we (but not you and I ;) ) do believe in crazy stuff. I find the biblical writings on god very depressing. God is an egotistical maniac who needs to bully and prove his macho glory to common humans scurrying on the face of the earth in filth and squalor. What a weak and foolish god. Definitely a concept thought up by a few hebrew old farts with script skills.
LOLDISNEYLAND 1 year ago
@rzielske That depends how you based your beliefs: if your faith is based on any book written by bronze age men thousands of years ago, and/or if your description of "God" is that of any deity, entity, or "spirit" separate from man, animal or thing, then that "God" does NOT exits. The "God" that does exists is YOU, for YOU are are part of The Infinite Whole- The Universal Mind, which is composed of infinite universes, including this very visible one. ☼
racingracing 1 year ago
@rzielske You can make anything up, and claim that it could still exist even though there is no evidence for it.
Atheists and theists alike, know nothing of the true concept of god. They can only speculate. My idea of god might be different to yours. Which god is the real or true one? How can I share my idea of god to you? It's impossible! I think god is a concept so hard to grasp that it withers away into nothing and therefore cannot exist in my mind at all. This is atheist logic not belief.
LOLDISNEYLAND 1 year ago
Having a belief in God requires faith. Having a belief that there is no God also requires faith.
rzielske 2 years ago
If atheism requires faith, then being bald is a hair color.
Turha101 2 years ago 30
@Turha101 LOLOLOL. Thats genius!! Never I saw the question so well put! Cheers!!
josviegas 1 year ago
@Turha101 do you believe in atheism
DeJay14 1 year ago
@DeJay14
Do you mean do i believe that atheist exist?
Or are you asking me if i am an atheist?
Turha101 1 year ago
@DeJay14 Hahaha believe in atheism? It's like asking whether I believe in the Sun. I believe there are religions, and atheism isn't a religion. It is a label placed onto the unfortunate ones who must bare living without a god and being picked on by theists as a result of it.
Atheists are truly the gifted people with sight in the wilderness of the blind.
LOLDISNEYLAND 1 year ago
@rzielske what in this world doesn't require belief or faith? Saying you don't believe in god is still a belief. "I believe that I don't believe in god".
Honestly, what is the point of discussion here? None.
Atheism is just straight out rejection of other peoples beliefs in god, not just disbelief in god. We aren't saying that faith or belief is false, belief in god is false.
LOLDISNEYLAND 1 year ago
God bless this man.
bluetigerfish90 2 years ago
this is the brightest american ever
The27gasman 2 years ago
I have 200+ undergrad credits and I am free to believe either theory as a Catholic. But I do not see ANY science behind evolution. The fossil record proves creation though. 99.9% of the fossils start in one period of the geological record. There are a handful of "claims" of missing link fossils and thousands of established fossils from species. There is so much more, do the research and learn.
Andy777321 2 years ago
@Andy777321
Haven't you just shot yourself in the foot? If even 0.01% of fossils were from different periods, as you're suggesting, then shouldn't that be a refutation of creation?
callumevans324 2 years ago
An intelligent question. Not as I see it. Remember the geology is shifting. I don't consider strata of sedimentary rock from potentially millions of years ago as an exact science. I consider it a guideline to judge LARGE periods of time. Some fossils can "jump" from sedimentary later to layer as they are crunched, rubbed, raised, or lowered by each other.
Remember, this is a scientific discussion. Not an act of faith.
Andy777321 2 years ago
@Andy777321
You're confusing me a little, I'm afraid:
From what I've gathered - and I don't mean this offensively - you're suggesting that over millions of years, fossils have jumped around the sedimentary layers, and somehow rearranged themselves in such a way that younger fossils are on top and the older ones on the bottom, and this attests to creation?
Seems a little sketchy.
MrCallumEvans 2 years ago
Try taking biology. 200+ credits and you still haven't graduated? I'm guessing you take a lot of drama and lit.
jojukoway 2 years ago
And 99.9% of fossils start in one geological period? Please provide any reliable source for this outright lie.
jojukoway 2 years ago
BS in Engineering, Rutgers, 1988. Two other degrees including 4 semesters of biology in the past 5 years. What is your claim to shame?
Andy777321 2 years ago
5 years of biology and you learned nothing at all about evolution? I studied biology too, and I wonder why you are the only one who sees 99.9 % of fossils in one geological period? This is physically impossible, by the way.
Fragenzeichenplatte 2 years ago
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hailesj 2 years ago
I don't know for sure, but I like to think that the Judge (Republican, no science training, church-goer and appointed by Bush) thought before the case, "What's the big deal about a 1 minute statement?" but was so thoroughly convinced by the facts from the evolution side and the dishonesty from the ID side that he was wholly 'converted'.
That's just a guess.
jessc1979 2 years ago
You've hit the nail on the head. When the *facts* are examined in an objective and critical matter, they rather speak for themselves. This examination is *exactly* what Judge Jones did.
Those who support ID or creationsim (same thing) by regurgitating lies from a creationist website would do very well to investigate for yourselves instead.
They wouldn't sound nearly as idiotic if they could actually state a fact accurately instead of just repeating dogma and lies.
fkbryce 2 years ago
God is all about science. He created the earth and us and everything using his perfect knowlegde of science.
ThundaFrumDownUnda 2 years ago
So, explain this to me again Thunda.. regarding your biblical flood, .. How did those Kangaroo's hop all the way back from Mount Ararat in the middle east, back to Australia ,
If you answer me, ..I've got loads and loads more questions for you.
bonnie43uk 2 years ago
sorry, mate, but thats just not right. There are multiple bible-believing christians who can biblically back up a local flood which covered 'the land', not 'the world'. They are the same hebrew word. it could be either
Intelligent design does NOT say that there is a judo-christian all-loving bible-making god, BY DEFINITION. Stop this crap about trying to disprove ID just so you can disprove God. Disprove him directly!
hailesj 2 years ago
How can i disprove God? .. i cant, anymore than i can disprove fairies and elves.
Yes, i agree, the world has had many many local floods, We had a bit of a downpour here in Swindon only last month. .. my tulip bulbs were devestated.
bonnie43uk 2 years ago
your point being? You can't ridicule his comment with a throw off remark about noah's flood.
hailesj 2 years ago
North America and Europe are moving apart still, around 4 or 6 inched a year if I remember it right.
Any more questions?
Andy777321 2 years ago
You're ignorant and unintelligent.
Level9Lime 2 years ago
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big bang and evolution can only be proved from "intellegent design" something cant come from nothing, and evolution.... well, the fact that god designed it to happen, is undermining his creation. it would be like saying darwin's discovery was discovered by ronald mcdonald.
margybaysayhey 2 years ago
If 'something can't come from nothing' where did god come from?
jessc1979 2 years ago
he exists outside of time and outside of the universe. He isn't limited like we all are. If there is no time, there is no beginning, so God had no beginning.
hailesj 2 years ago
And the evidence of this is...???
So far, you described any number of things including the Giant Spaghetti Monster.
jessc1979 2 years ago
well, all theories prove that the universe was not always here, it had a definite beginning. god has no beginning and no end, im saying that all theories can be proven.... just god had something to do with it, now that is a fact, not a theory.
margybaysayhey 2 years ago
What is the evidence and experiments that proves that there is a god and that this good has no beginning or end.
All you have are a bunch fo statements "god has no beginning" etc and claim it to be fact w/o backing up.
PS. BTW, that's why you guys lost this case.
jessc1979 2 years ago
"all theories prove that the universe was not always here".
I see your understanding of science is as thourough as your grasp on grammar.
"god had something to do with it, now that is a fact, not a theory. "
No, that is your belief. It is not a fact, and it certainly isn't a scientific theory. Once again, you regurgitate dogma, call it fact with nothing to back it up, and expect the world to see it your way.
fkbryce 2 years ago
the explanation given by christians is that he has always been here, outside of time.
margybaysayhey 2 years ago
Which of course, is no explanation at all.
jessc1979 2 years ago
if you believe it. there are no holes in the story of creation. i believe in god. he lives out of time because he created it. our reality is his clay. he can mold and change it to fit wat he would like it to be. it needs no justification, if you believe it.
margybaysayhey 2 years ago
That's the weakest argument so far. I don't even think the defendants in this case would use an argument that silly.
If I believe it, why would I have to justify it? Leprecauns, fairies, unicorns... *all* these things don't need justifications if you believe it?
Is it really a surprise you guys lost this case?
jessc1979 2 years ago