Operation Market-Garden

[jonatan9505]

Um, @WWII33 I'm LasEsisters, can you please reply to me? I was in my sisters account by mistake.

[fvw88]

you handle wars about as well as you handle oil spills

[steveoroberts1]

Also, we all have some setbacks, seriously; look at Custer's Last Stand for example- Not the most boastful battle in American history. Britain had managed to control 20% of the world's land mass-something that has never before been achieved. Largest empire that had ever existed.

[regular100]

Today is the 17th , the day it happened

[THUD086]

Here's another little known fact. 1,400 British 3 ton trucks that were to be used by the Brits, had to be taken out of service due to faulty pistons. To make up for this shortfall, the trucks from 3 recently arrived American divisions, were re-assigned to the British.

[WWII33]

Guys, seriously...

Stop arguing over this. Operation Market Garden was a bad plan from the start and may I remind you that the Britian and America were at war with Germany, NOT eachother. Calm down...

[jinpoi]

in fact the dutch resistence only helped the americans and our brave 1st airborne was fighting against all odds in minor number in a bridge in arnhem against the best waffenn ss panzer division with the superior fire power

[Talbot6832]

Very nice of the Yanks to fail in the capture of their required bridges thus disallowing British armour to make it through and relieve the heroic British Para's at Arnhem. Men with rifles against Panzers, Tigers, mortar, arillery and superior numbers. It is a testament to their skill in battle that they held out for that long against odds no other soldiers could have accomplished.

[burslemboy]

Dont blame the yanks mate, It failed because of its complex nature, On paper its the best operation that could of been, In truth nothing ever goes as planned and the lack of plan b really did cost us.

And the Para's will fight with fist and boot if they had too, God Bless them all.

[fvw88]

That's the Brits motto, blame somebody else.....maybe if your armor didn't have to stop for tea every other hour they might've contributed something to the battle.

[muchoaznguru]

Nice...

[tb4911]

@fvw88 Maybe if you got a passport and travelled out of your country you wouldn't seem so opinionatedly insulated.

[fvw88]

@tb4911 Hey tea-slurper......take a walk away from your keyboard.

[tb4911]

@fvw88 If you took that finger out your arse you could type faster.

[34ytrhtrghrf]

not true im dutch so i know better

[WWII33]

The Americans did not fail. They actually managed to capture Nijmegan Bridge but the British were unable to capture Arnhem and hold it to allow armor to move up. Now, that isn't saying that it was their fault, as they fought valiantly and were taking the heat this time-dropping 60 miles into enemy territory while Americans dropped 30. It was just a bad plan from the start and I think it could have never worked.

[steveoroberts1]

@WWII33 Amen to that! Not to mention that the British paratroopers landed atop two panzer divisions as well! Talk about valiant! Imagine rifles against Panthers!

[jonatan9505]

@WWII33 Maybe if America had entered the war when another country needed it's help (like Britain and France aiding the Polish), then maybe the British would'nt have run out of supplies. I've never heard of a Battle of U.S.A, but i have heard of a Battle of Britain. If we had'nt fought and won that, then you would'nt have had a fighting chance against the Germans. You only entered the war because you where under attack. Shame on you.

[WWII33]

@jonatan9505 What are you talking about? Great Britian NEVER ran out of supplies. There was a shortage with ration, but never a complete stop of supplies coming to Great Britian. Yes, German U-Boats sunk American vessels, but not all of them. And you're saying shame on us for entering the war because of Pearl Harbor? Shame on you for saying that. And I don't even know why this argument is taking place because I NEVER disgraced Britains or their great country...

[WWII33]

@jonatan9505 Also, let me tell you that if we hadn't send you those supplies, your country may have gave in from starvation. Your country is an ISLAND nation and all across the right flank of Britain were the Germans. We greatly helped the British cause even when we weren't even involved fighting the war. And, I'm sorry to say, without us, I don't think you would be able to take back your former colonies in the Pacific against the Japanese.

[WWII33]

@jonatan9505 But, I do agree with you that the Britains holding out during the Battle Of Britain really helped the Allies with the Luftwaffe never really recovering from the battle on the Western Front. Any way, the point I'm trying to get acroos here is that all Allied countries helped defeat the Nazi regime and every citizen of that country should be proud of what their former soldiers did. All rose to the call to defeat the most evil menance of the 20th century, Hitler, Tojo, and Mussolini.

[LasEsisters]

@WWII33 First, Tojo was a puppet.

Second, I said that America OFFICIALLY entered the war because of Pearl Harbour.

Third, I might have expressed myself wrong when I said that Britain ran out of supplies, I meant that it did'nt have everything it needed or wanted.

[WWII33]

@jonatan9505 There is no point in arguing which country did more, because everyone did enough.

[LasEsisters]

@WWII33 Fourth, the Battle of Britain was more than a little help, if we had lost it, then Operation Sealion would have gone on and Hitler than would have probably succeeded at Operation Barbarossa. My conclusion: There would'nt be an democrat America nowadays.

Last but not least, I agree with everything else.

[WWII33]

@LasEsisters Exactly, because with Britain out of the way, Hitler would be able to focus all of his armies on the Soviet Union. And I also might have misunderstood you with the Pearl Harbor thing.

[8301968]

@LasEsisters Not too sure Barbarossa would ever have completely succeeded. It was a logistical nightmare, and with all the partisan activity. What would have been interesting would have been if it had commenced as originally planned, in 1 May 1941. The Krauts were almost to Moscow, and in that situation 53 days was a long time before the onset of the Russian Winter. They most certainly would have taken Moscow, but the vastness of the steppes would have only magnified the logistical problems.