@99XM well, u really talking about something u completely ignoring. Please, look forward and think. ...and DO U LIKE A FOURIOUS STRONG GAY ATTAKING U?hihiihi
in real fight you will get real too fast puches and you can defend from those simulateouns too fast punches, you go to hospital to reflect about your life again, ehehehe ai ai ki ..:)
it may be good for those inocent who want to grab you, but for a furious strong gay, we are done, and losts of years trianing for nothing.
Effortless cause its collusional and nobody is really attacking. Its really a health system and bugger all else...... It has lost its martial effectiveness years ago when Ueshiba died.... end of....
A beautiful display of Shin Shin Toitsu Aikido. All of the techniques are soooo effortless, and soft and redirecting. Great video and Highly Skilled Sensei. I will try to work towards his skill level... It will take a while.... Arigatou Gozaimasu Sensei.
omfg. these people who says that 'this' is nonsense doesn't really know what martial art is. martial art is not all about fighting or whatever you want to call it. -__-
aikido people is always bla...bla...bla....I practice long time aikido (10 years) I know Yoshigasaki sensei .If somebody thinks that this practice is bullshit just have to go to try a course with him and try with a high level student and get your own answer.
after a period of 3 years practising another aikido style I decide to study with Yoshigasaki,cause after the course I was feeling how they can apply technichs apparently soft but actually most effective that some styles called strong aikido.
ah the oldest ma debate.. seriously if your looking here for combative technique thats ridiculous. I'm sure if he were to demonstrate a combative technique it would look different. The principle would be the same and thats key here.
Aikido is not unlike other practises. A boxer must skip and a jiujitsu ka must drill locks. Aikido practice body changes and harmonising with large movements. That doesn't mean that it should be applied with big movements. Its just easier to learn that way
@brunoaxtmachado if you really think it's child's play, why not challenge an Aikido sensei? You should have an easy time defeating him , or her, if it's really as "unbelievable" as you think it is.
ja leider wird das auch als Aikido bezeichnet, obwohl es ja nichts damit zu tun hat und den rest der seriösen Aikidoka einen schlechten Ruf als esoterik Tanz verpasst.
@brunoaxtmachado ach ja, und dieser Mann sagte: Sie wissen wirklich nicht, was du redest Unsinn reden ... nur von etwas, das Sie komplett zu ignorieren.
Normalerweise spricht von etwas, das wir nicht kennen oder verstehen wir nicht als "Lüge" oder auch "Kuhscheiße"
Sorry Kumpel, aber Sie müssen für viele Jahre mit dieser Sensei Zug vor der Beurteilung
bruno ich mache selber aikido seit 8 jahren und ich sag dir eins es ist verdammt hart! ich weiß die techniken sehen so tänzerisch und harmonisch aus aber du kannst jemanden mit diesen techniken sofern sie gut gemacht sind problemlos knochenbrechen! dennoch ist aikido komplett kampflos da man sich nur verteidigt. aber die techniken haben es echt in sich! glaub mir.
@brunoaxtmachado ich habe einmal mit dem sensei trainiert und sollte ihn angreifen mit voller kraft nach weniger als 2 sek lag ich am boden und war in seinem griff gefangen so fern ich versuchte mich zu bewegen beugte er meinen arm in richtung schulter und schluss war. mit aikido ist nicht zu spaßen...
@brunoaxtmachado This is not aikido, shin shin toitsu dance is forbidden from using aikido as their name by aikikai organization, they are just using it as promotional agent, for traditional aikido, try some iwama ryu (daniel toutain for example)
@Bishop45acp So you think Ki Aikido is fake? So you are saying Koichi Tohei's Sensei's skills are fake? hahaha, I hope you know that he was appointed as Chief Instructor of the Hombu Dojo. O Sensei chose him over others, because he was the very BEST. O Sensei didn't even choose his own son Kisshimaru Ueshiba to become Chief Instructor because O Sensei knows that only Tohei Sensei was his very BEST student and the only one to TRULY exhibit O Sensei's Aikido.
Please, study a bit of " Aikido's history." If Tohei sensei (head of all instructors during O'sensei) didn't leave Aikikai organisation to create a new one called Shin Shin Toitsu AIKIDO, well all the world (also Daniel Toutain) have been practice what u call "Shin shin toitsu dance". Think about that...
@Shinaikido i was going to suggest you the same thing, study aikido history. Tohei sensei was only 8 years in short periods of time direct student of O'Sensei, unlike Morihiro Saito sensei, for example. Tohei sensei DID NOT recive 10 dan from O'Sensei, he recived it in 1970 or 1971 from Hombu dojo, O'Sensei died in '69, although it is nice story that feeds ki aikidokas ego. As for yoshigasaki, he INVENTED this what you are seing, it is not even Kohei's original Shin Shin Toitsu
It is suggested you read Stanley Pranin's timely March 18th, 2011 article about this very subject of Tohei Sensei's 10th dan promotion by O'Sensei. The Aikido Journal article is titled “Koichi Tohei’s 10th dan Promotion” by Stanley Pranin.
@Shinaikido You can ask him that. I know that because when friend of mine wanted to congratulate Tohei sensei his recent birthday, he got reply from Tohei sensei that Yoshigasaki is not affiliated any more with Shin Shin Toitsu, because hes not teaching the way Tohei sensei did. Now, i'm not here to slam mud on anyone, but i am against lies, one being that yoshigasaki has ANYTHING to do with O'Senseis aikido, which is Iwama Ryu aikido, not Hombu, Iwama
man seriously what do you know about o'senseis teachings? have you read a single book about Useshiba teachings? have you ever visited Sensei Yoshigasakis seminar? i guess no! so dont talk about things you dont know and dont understand.
@Shinaikido there he, with help of Saito sensei, perfected his art. And one thing he emphasized was, first kihon, hard practice, than ki no nagare. Hombu has week kihon, Shin Shzin Toitsu has none and Yoshigasaki sensei managed to do even that. Now do some research on your own, don't ask the broken phone (your sensei), i suggest Stanley Pranin from aikido journal. have a nice day
Man, what u have said is all your point of view...the only thing "real" that u said is that Yoshigasaki sensei is not affiliated with Tohei Sensei anymore...the other staff, well if u want to bilieve that ...believe it; the world doesn't change for that.For the aim of Ki aikidocas EGO, may be u have to reconnect with yourself because no one here is talking bad obout other "style" instead of u that seem really touchy and frail when someone say something different of what u believe.
@Shinaikido Ok, i apologise for offensive stance. I read the article someone suggested, i didn't know that, i guess joke's on me when talking about researching history :) but i still stand behind what i said, shin shin toitsu is NOT and NEVER WILL BE aikido, it may have some elements, but it is not budo just like aikido will never be dayto ryu.
after reading this "shin shin toitsu is NOT and NEVER WILL BE aikido, it may have some elements, but it is not budo" i rofled, and i'll say again, you are pretty clueless person...
@brunoaxtmachado you didnt practice any martial arts,do you?a martial art "fighter"respect every other art of martial art and not only one! and SSTAikidô is really hard and you must train it for more than 5 years to defend your self! But if you do it right and with respect for other people you can beat a Krav Maga fighter!(im not but Bruno Maule 6.dan he will be the next sensei he was the head of a security "centre"in dubai he know all about it.so pls do not say anything wrong about it)
These ARE pre-determined techniques! They are being practised by one practitioner with another practitioner. Remove from the equation one practitioner and substitute them with somebody who who wants to fight and the situation of testing those techniques becomes more reliable and even less realistic.
Aikido is a 'way' of harmonising and techniques rarely harmonise unless both people want them to.
@fenrisangerboda You say 'Harmonize' others say 'defend and attack'. The thing is that 'Harmonizing' in this way requires a great deal of predictable movement and/or cooperation and this is simply as unrealistic as say expecting an opponent to fight fairly.
The most successful fight is one where one person punches another ONCE!
@fenrisangerboda and you seem to want others to believe that you have some special powers such as ESP.
What is your qualification to teach others Aikido?
"..you will be able to Predict their movements." - Wrong. 'Direct and control', NOT 'predict'. That is a very big difference which you have obviously yet to learn.
"it does seem you have little knowledge about the Use of Aikido in an actual situation." - Again, your ESP is failing you. Where is your evidence for this?
MarshalNey13,I agree with you as well as PeterJRaia.I am a Godan in Aikido and train MMA.I teach Practical Aikido and as such developed Aikido defenses against the plum(thai clinch),collar tie,two on one,over underhook(50/50),and wrestling hand fighting.We do Aikido with "live energy"(contested) but we cannot apply the lock fully,only gain and try to keep position of the lock.I have used 5 of 7 Aikido techniques successfully on the street and 6 of 8 BJJ techniques also.So it does work.
Being an instructor, I have seen many time Yoshigasaki sensei showing effectiveness of his art. I think it wolud be very difficult to overwhelm him. Effectiveness is not only limited to punches, kiks and levers; it's a matter of subtle perception of the opponent intention, of right timing, of the non-collision capacity and above all, a matter of unification of main and body through the Four Principle as taught by Tohei O Sensei, the teacher of Yoshigasaki sensei.
I am 55, started studying MA 38 years ago. I have been practicing Ki Aikido with Yoshigasaki sensei for 14 years and I know him personally very well. He is a very good sensei, very honest. He knows what's effective. People misunderstand the difference between educational practice in order to develop Ki and harmonius movement (unification between mind and body - Shin shin toitsu do) and effectiveness.
It is just nonsence that u can't believe that it is aikido...Let's me to remind you that O'Sensei said: "Aikido has not predetermined forms because it is the study of the spirit "...from your words seems that your vision of reality is a bit rigid
I think it is both pathetic and saddening that so many people are so interested in what other people are doing in their respective martial arts. Surely the true path of any martial art is personal development. Not brow beating one another. Don't disrespect yourself or you martial art.
lol...just thought I'd post the mail that 03sankyu (strangely, with a ninja/magna type avatar...lololol) 'sent' me! The chimp thinks it's a feckin NINJA!lolololol...HILARIOUS! THANK you 03....PLEASE just keep being you. TOP entertainment!lolol..MAIL AS FOLLOWS:
d` way u sound *`signs`* no guts no glory nothing personal just Good sport, and money. why do we kill around abit. good day 2 U mister.
Oh dear....It tried! Sigh! It doesn't know me, apart from being some elnightened text on it's screen, yet it apparently seems to know my body form. Sad, sad...and pityful.
Oh dear...you really haven't a clue about much t all, have you sonny...?! Away and put on your tabby-boots Hong Kong uey...you evidently know nothing. Enjoy your wickle KF films whilst self-abusing in your wickle ninja suit. FACT: I pity you...How does it feel to be sussed out as yet another rectal wart?
lololo...oh dear! It now considers I'm 'white', uneducated and haven't (over 20 years training in) what are genrally termed 'martial arts'. Amazing what a sad, mystisism loving, tooth-fairy-smooching ninja chimp can deduct from a few lines of text on a screen! Go ahead chump-boy...grab yer 'throwing star' hiiiyyyAAH! (etc..SIGH!) (P.S: Keep going - you're GREAT entertainment!!!)
How ironic...your reply. Might I suggest that to appreciate that you may alleviate my genuine pity of you slightly, that perhaps you read over my previous posts for the enlightened answers that you seek. I suggest that for someone who is evidently as mentally challenged as yourself, that, with respect, even you may comprehend. Good Bless and may Hong Kong Fuey go with you...ALWAYS! suggest that you
If it's so effective, why do Aikido practitioners never win full-contact, limited rules events? I'm not having a go at Aikdo, just don't see how it can be deemd/claimed as a 'self-defence' art, if no deomonstrable evidence of it's effectiveness(?) (Haved attended a few aikido classes in teh past and taught two forms of full-contact, self-defence based martial arts in the past myself).
Oh, don't be so silly little lassie! Obviously you misunderstand what fighting's all about. Nothing 'mystic' about it! Get a grip, ya eejit! Here you are, 'challenging' someone you've never seen to a 'fight'. What a twat! THINK about it lassie. Was an honest and questionin post I gave. I should have expected such a pseudo-mystic, retrded answer on such a thread! Good GRIEF you twat! SHEESH!
P.S: You don't know anything about me. So what you're effectively stating is that you're willing to challenge any person in teh world at any level in any discipline and you'll beat them! Oh, the twattiness shines out of you like the sun! What a know-cheese! How about putting yourself forward to a multi-discipline, full contact, no-rules fighting competition? See how you come off! DDUUUHHHHHHH!Hilarious!
PSS: 900 years? Who gives a toss? How relevant is that?! Don't be a twat!
Look how gentle and effortless those movements are. It doesn't appear that any from of physical strain is happening. The movements look as natural as breathing. Sometimes almost no physical contact between the 2 seem to take place. Man this is amazing. I love it.
*sigh* Aikido. Good old times. I used to be in an Aikido dojo but I had to quit because of circumstances. Aikido is an awesome art. I've never felt more in control of myself than when I was training under it. I actually liked the ukemi part more than being the nage. It was like a rollercoaster or something just doing those rolls. And every time, the roll would feel better and smoother. Good Old Times. But the rock music playing during the demonstration is a bit inappropriate.
. . . have you not realised that when strength meets strength, the strongest wins. Yet when strength meets nothing, strength is neutralised, this is when and aikidoka's ki moves the partners mind and application happens. This is a further use of ki - to move the mind of your partner. Also one reason why atemi is used. My experience is from over 20 years of study of aikdio, kendo and iaido. Funkey-Monkey's points are also valid
. . . and to use strength restricts this flow. Maybe you could reference shiatsu and acupuncture to further understand this.
To be thrown with ki, is to be thrown by a relaxed partner. This is in the confines of a dojo, not street fight. Please remember that aikidoka look after there partners and full use of developed ki is kept within dojo confines and is performed on students with the same or higher ukemi abilities. Yes of course mechanics come into play, but in your 18 years . . .
Prickett233 - what style of aikido have you been practising for the last 18 years? Aikdio with the study of Ki (Ki-society or other) use tests to prove that to put your mind at your tanden stabilises the body. Think anywhere else (lets say shoulder or forehead) de-stabilises the body. Therefore, you have not had these tests or your tester is not testing you correctly. Ki is a manifestation of your own spirit, and flows naturally during relaxation . . .
Lasciamo pure ke brancolino nel buio. Tu pratichi ancora aikido dunque!? Io nn potendo praticare come andrebbe, mi son visto "costretto" a cercare un altra via...ora faccio Wushu e la cosa importante è ke il maestro è molto competente e riconosciuto...tuttavia spero di fare una cosa complementare. Studiando certi aspetti tipo l atemi il saper colpire in generale, ke nell aikido erano trascurati rendendo quindi la tecninca irreale visto ke nasceva da un attacco irreale. Ke ne pensi?
Concordo...lasciamo pure ke brancolino nel buio. Tu pratichi ancora aikido dunque!? Io nn potendo praticare come andrebbe, mi son visto "costretto" a cercare un altra via...ora faccio Wushu e la cosa importante è ke il maestro è molto competente e riconosciuto...tuttavia spero di fare una cosa complementare. Studiando certi aspetti tipo l atemi il saper colpire in generale, ke nell aikido erano trascurati rendendo quindi la tecninca irreale visto ke nasceva da un attacco irreale. Ke ne pensi?
Rispondono così perkè nn hanno capito ke nn è vero Aikido. IO ho aperto gli okki dopo aver letto Budo e L essenza dell Aikido di O sensei. Dopo ho incominciato a fare paragoni tra l Aikido come lo intendeva O sensei e quello ke praticavo IO. Capendo ke l'Amore aveva "preso il sopravvento" sulla marzialità. Dico solo ke queste persone capiranno solo se verranno pestate da qualcuno e crollerà la loro sicurezza. Questa sarà l unica lezione ke gli farà capire ke il loro Aikido è falso!
ive been training ki aikido for about half a year, im about 7th kyu and i tell you i definatly have been feeling the differance in the outside world. most people criticise the techniques in aikido but i find the ki test the most important, if you apply these skills in any combat situation it will give you an almost definate advantage, in my case anyways.
anyone who has training in aikido i am very interested in your views of aikido uses of internal energy
i have no martial arts training but i have a punching bag and can make myself heat up very rapidly using movements i constructed myself which helped me in the cold of winter as a kid
what i am interested in is how you stay balanced i have seen your ki testing and it intrigues me and reminds me of no mind training
if anyone would care to explain i offer no criticism and wish no body harm
when I trained my sensei said you don't have to punch or kick and think I hit him, you have to go through the other... and that's ki. that's what he said xD
i have trained aikido no ki aikido for over ten years, there is no secret or special stance it is just focusing your mind two inches below your bellybutton, the centre of gravity of your body and just stay relaxed and constantly try and incorpoarte this into everyday things you are doing and when walking and it will slowly improve, it has for me anyways. Hope i helped
Difficult question. To me, the main idea is to be able to connect every part of my body. In the beginning, through a manifestation of the "centre" - hara. I try to remain calm and relaxed and not change the tonus of my muscles in one part of the body as an answer to an oncoming force. But rather to connect that part with all the rest. Basically, as if one is leaning on a table: Your muscles aren't switched off, but they don't stiffen up either... Don't know if that is of any help :)
the idea is to percieve all that surronds you, don't focus on your atacker, everything that your eye can see is your space, and an attacker is just another object in that space, so by not focusing everything on him u maintain your balance, percieve all that surrounds you, that gives you balance and lets you keep your center.
to a listeners ears, when they hear someone talk about ki they get some idea of it being mystical, unexplained energy force. the idea of focusing 2 inches below the navel is nothing more than delusional, you can focus anywhere and get the same affect. the point is if you focus or concentrated on a task at hand whilst being relaxed you achieve the same result as someone claiming to use ki .
as for ki being some kind of energy that gives strength, this is also an illusion. those who claim to use ki when doing a throw in aikido are really doing nothing more than using principles of mechanics, timing and coordination of their own body movement in relationship to that of the partners. if you practice these understandable qualities (mechanics, timing, coordination) eventually you become so skilled at it , from an observers point of view you appear to have an effortless strength
Quite honestly, i understand exactly what you mean, so dont take this as some condesending crap. Ki is not about strength, although it has been taken out of context by those seeking to make money, and so make stuff up to make interesting, and therefore profitable. I am not particuarly skilled in Aikido, so am unable to decribe Ki, but if it interests you, go along to any Aikido dojo, and the sensei there will be happy to show you. Its one of those things best experienced than explained.
His quote at 1:34, while true, is hardly profound. And while the techniques shown here are equally un-profound. They may work in the very limited context being shown, but they will not do anything to prevent him from getting an full on ass wooping from even a moderately less cooperative uke. There is great aikido out there that has excellent functionality and is true to the philosophy - but this is not it.
I believe your statement is quite un-defined in context of any reference you are giving. All I will say is if you truly think you can stop these practioners, I urge you to challange them, and 'give a real attack'. I think you will find that the end result will be your attack, and that's it. The basis of any practical martial art is to disconnect your mental intention from any offense. Shin Shin Toitsu Aikido places that to a practical level far beyond your apparent aptitude of martial arts.
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I have challenged shihans in aikido just like this one - with real attacks (not this stuff you see in the video) - and they can't do a thing. The basis of any practical martial art is to finish off the opponent quickly - something the "uke's" in this video apparently don't know how to do. How about the most obvious answer - the emperor has no clothes!
Let me note - following my comment below - that I'm a 30+ year practitioner of aikido and believe that aikido has something important to offer both in terms of martial art as well as personal development, but this kind of demonstration sets aikido backward by furthering the perception of many (and I believe correctly) that aikido is not a martial art - when in fact, I believe it requires the highest level of skill to accomplish. Meaning, you can't just do a pretty dance and make uke fall down.
If you don't like it you don't have to practice it, there is no need for arbitrary comments such as these, it is a disservice to everyone who practices aikido. The only responsibility you have is to your own interpretation of the martial art and no one else's. Just practice hard and make the martial art your own. Speaking about MY experience, though relatively short, the people who flaunt their "30 years of experience", triple blackbelts, etc. almost ALWAYS end up knowing the least.
The only disservice to aikido is pretending that we're watching something here besides a pretty dance. And regarding my experience - you REALLY have no clue.
It looks really like you have no clue. It's very hard to believe that someone practicing over 30 years could be this pig-headed but I suppose anything is possible.
kbs1138 is exactly the kind of response to expect from religious/cultish thinking. I have previously acknowledged certain benefits of aikido practice, but question its validity (in this particular demonstration) as a martial art and you resort to telling me I have a stinky attitude. Am I to assume that if my attitude were better I'd suddenly be blessed with lower standards of rational thought?
Head over to a dojo, fight it out with a sensei in a battle of wit and rational thought, and then ask him to show you what Ki is. Seeing is believing :P
and your response is exactly the kind I would expect from some moron that has practiced for many years and still hasn't caught on but yet let likes to flaunt their time in practice while at the same time not realizing their comments just reveal how little they have learned and how much time they have wasted. You think you know but you really don't, very sad really.
I agree with bushin64 below. I suppose a case could be made that some transcendent thing is being shown here, but (due respect) all I see is a bunch of guys throwing themselves now matter how bad this guys timing and technique are. Some white guys see a Japanese guy in a hakama and just can't help throwing themselves on the ground - or so it seems sometimes.
To call ki-aikido a pretty dance is too strong I think. Why don't you visit a seminar and experience it on your own? Anyway.. do you know who Sensei Koichi Tohei was? He was the founder of ki-aikido and THE ONLY AIKIDOKA who was given 10th dan by O'Sensei in his life. Disrespecting Tohei's way is disrespecting O'Sensei too. Furthermore, by comparing one way to the other, you lose one of the essentials of Aikido: no competition. What you have to care about is your own way and your own harmony.
actually, its kinda good. matches the tempo too, and if we "hear" well, sensei's movement are actually become readable in many forms.
One should see the kill angle of applications from techniques not always in real time but in its original form, whereas the first founder were watching dancers, then the emperor start to made his martial compilation.
With all due respect, there are may flaws in Yoshigasaki-san's techniques. Neither he nor his uke show zanshin or musubi. Uke's balance is not even upset (we call this kurai dori) as strongly seen in 0:53. Thus uke is simply falling down and not thrown. I know there is a spiritual side to the study of aikido but remember that here is a martial component.
I see this video has 4.5/5 stars so I'm guessing most viewers are pro-Aikido. I have a few questions I hope some of you can answer. Do practitioners believe that this "Ki" stuff would actually work on someone in a real fight? Could this guy or an advanced Aikido master knock someone down/throw them with just his fingertips if they were not cooperating? I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but I want to know what people who do this really believe.
Well, Ki is not something that increase you powerfull and it's quite impossible knock someone down with one finger. But, studying Ki u can understand better yourself, and knowing better your mind and your body probably u can move better in a real fight.
Ki is something Not clear, cuold be feeling, emotion, intention and more. It helps u to understand who are u and where u're giong.
We're studying Ki in the martial art of Aikido couse Aikido is really good to study it.
Ok, if Ki= focus, mental clarity or understanding of your own body position/movements then I guess I can understand that. However, I don't think any amount of training or "Ki" can do what these Aikido masters do in their videos.
For one reason or another the expression of aikido varies widely. Perhaps this was by design when originally taught by O-Sensei (I don't know). Your questions are valid. In my 18 yrs of aikido I have seen plenty. I have been inexplainably thrown with just fingertips and was not cooperating. In my school we study with a more martial attitude as we have police and military operators in our class (the stuff has to work). Aikido can be a valid martial art depending on your instructor.
I think i know that feeling.. I was training it for about two years and just in a moment than i wanted to quit i found myself in a fight.. First of all i was just defending, but in all of that confusing i found myself holding his hand just like in last training lesson.. I did exactly what Sensei told us and i was like : Wow man, that actually works !.. Not everything you will teach you will use.. But some positions etc will realy help you, just as much as it helpt me..
@MarshalNey13 O Sensei would be the 1st to tell you that aikido isn't a technique practiced to fell an opponent, but rather a way to reconcile humanity and make the world one family. One first endeavors to build a better world and harmonious existence; it's a personal failure to be drawn AWAY from a principled stand and INTO a state of conflict. One's ability in a street brawl or "squaring off" is not an issue, and is alien to the aikido spirit.
Been a while since I wrote that. My skepticism still holds though. I feel like Aikido people feel like taking the philosophical moral high ground will give them an advantage in a real fight. I have a big problem with techniques that are only practiced against compliant partners because they are practiced in a way that does not mirror a real fight. I understand aikido may offer some spiritual fulfillment but from a physical perspective I am skeptical.
@MarshalNey13 Fair enough, man. "...in a real fight" would indicate that fighting and self defense are the same thing. Self defense = survival of the BODY, i.e., to safely evade, minimize, or immobilize the threat. Fighting = survival of the EGO and is essentially a social ritual concerned with attaining/keeping some value (status in the group, a drug fix, prize money in a sport competition...). Please note what I wrote in my subsequent post regarding compliance in training. Peace, bro!
Ok, I think you're talking about semantics here. My point applies to "self-defense" too. Without practicing it against someone who is trying to resist you how do you know it will work? How do you know you'd be able to "minimize/immobilize" the threat instead of just get beaten up? The Aikido drills that I've seen require the attacker to essentially give the defender his arm or his back or charge at him like a bull. This seems highly unnatural.
Aikido practitioners cite the dangers of resisting a technique, but I'd like to challenge that premise. How can you learn the nuances/subtleties of a technique if you have to trust that in the moment of truth, they'll just work. You would think that there would be at least one practitioner of aikido who had the skill and restraint to practice their art against a live opponent without killing/maiming him. I don't see how a friendly match could be anything but informative for both.
@MarshalNey13 Consider also that even in our day & age, a piss-drunk young tough in a bar doesn't allow you the time and opportunity to square up with him before he rushes you; he CERTAINLY doesn't approach in a proper defensive stance. We have the physical tools to address both, though. Bottom line, in fighting (whether consensual brawling or sport sompetition) you train to overcome not only the opponent's physical state but also his will.
@PeterJRaia Whereas aikido develops the ability, and nurtures the compassion, to safeguard both. In attacker AND ourselves. And again, devoid of ego-driven need for approval from OUTSIDE ourselves, we endeavor not be so eaily drawn into conflict; the attacker MISSES 100% of the attacks he gives which we aren't there to RECIEVE, if that makes any sense?
Self defense is still fighting. I.e. you are intentionally trying to hurt the other person. The same moves which are too dangerous for a training partner to resist would undoubtedly serious hurt an attacker who has no desire to move willingly with the techniques. If aikido protects attacker and defender then live sparring shouldn't be a problem as nobody would get hurt, and if it is too devastating for live practice, then it seems that the guy at the bar will leave seriously hurt.
@MarshalNey13 If the guy at the bar does leave seriously hurt, the aikidoka would consider it a personal failure, despite that the law may deem it legally justifiable self defense.
of course, I i understand that. My question then is why, if aikido can subdue an non compliant attacker without serious injury, can't it be used in live sparring?
@MarshalNey13 By your definition perhaps does self defense equal fighting; many would view it otherwise. Devoid of a desire to "submit" an assailant, and in fact viewing a "victory" coming at someone else's expense to be no victory at all, there's no "fight" there by definition. Legally, how can one explain to a judge why he didn't release that choke earlier, or fail to escape when he COULD have and instead remain to slug it out? Prepare to defend one's honor in PRISON, sad to say.
ok. See that's the problem. I have never seen a serious Aikido match. Everything I've seen on YT(and i've seen a bunch of vids) is a demonstration and is in no way applicable in a real situation...a fight or self defense. This vid for example uses techniques that, in their present form, would simply not work. If i wanted to attack someone i wouldn't charge at them and try to grab their wrist. No way. Maybe if I was a rag doll but I'm not. Demos like this give Aikido a bad name.
@MarshalNey13 I have seen at least a couple good randori videos on YT. The wrist grabbing responses were born of someone trying to stop a samurai from drawing his sword, but are equally as relevant today for a police officer, for example, needing to stop a crackhead from seizing his weapon (most officer fatalities result from the officer's own weapon being taken). Just one example to illustrate what I'd said earlier about the principles being timeless.
link them to me if you have them on hand, I'm curious. I'm open minded so i can believe that Aikido wristlocks might work. I study jiu jitsu so joint locks are commonplace. Only, when I'm rolling, nobody is going to just give me their arm/hand.
@MarshalNey13 I'll dig them out, no worries. Cool, you study jiujitsu? Daito ryu aikijutsu was the primary source art from which aikido was derived, so we'd doubtless recognize alot in each other's practice. True, no one will "give" you anything knowing it'll be used against their intent. Aikido also has atemi (vital point strikes) used not to injure but to set up, when circumstances call for it.
as a follow up point I agree 100% that the best way to block a punch is to not be there when it lands, but how do you train dodging punches if live sparring is out of the question? I respect what you say and I thank you for your time but I do not understand a MA system that expects a practitioner to be in control of a hostile situation when their practice methods do not reflect that.
@MarshalNey13 The demonstrations and controlled working of techniques giving rise to our discussion you see aren't the entire syllabus. There is randori, wherein attacks not pre-planned or known by uke (recipient) are launched, often times by multiple attackers, and uke is evaluated by his composure under assault AT LEAST as much as his skill in warding them off.
@MarshalNey13 Not sure I'd agree it's semantics. Between self defense and fighting, there are two entirely objectives and thus differing mindsets and training methodologies. Again, it's in a practitioner's own interest and safety that he "goes with it", along with helping the other person learn. Consider also that as a traditional art it does go back some 1000 years in it's roots; people DID attack differently as a rule. The principles, however, are timeless and, we believe, universal
@MarshalNey13 To speak strictly on the PHYSICAL expression of aikido, your question has the implicit premise that the practitioner has cooperation from his training partner because he NEEDS it. Quite the contrary, one's partner "honors" that technique and goes with accordingly in the full knowledge that should one NOT, injury or at least great pain are assured. My question would be, would that undiscipined brawler have any slightest CLUE how to go with it and fall so as to AVOID the above?
I understand the logic behind this but I'm not convinced. We have to learn a number of basics in parallel. You need to be able to attack perfectly to be able to perfect ukemi. topukemi is just acrobatics otherwise. You need perfect hip development to be able to attack perfectly. This only comes from weapons suburi and strong resistance Kihon training with Morote Dori, Ryote Dori, Tai no Henko as nage(shite) with a non compliant uke. Besides being an incredibly boring 2y it can develop bad habits
is that not the purpose of aikido, by learning just the techniques all you are achivieing is a learned muscle memory,
theres no soul in it. fair enougth if you are a robot but we are not robots we are living free beings, nevermind how much our society trys to convince us otherwise.
Coordination of the mind and body is a development process rather than a goal. Permit a bad analogy. Like learning to drive a car. when you start you get hung up on the gears and the clutch and the timing and the engine revs and the spacing (miai) while parking.etc. it takes time to be proficient at this and we still havent leant the techniques of driving outside the car yet, let alone the harmony with the machine that rally drivers have. we could jump ahead and learn in an auto but rally never
additonaly ki-aikido is the same as the orginal aikido except for the concept of minimal physical force pepole who fail to understand that should stick to some thing like jujitsu which teaches you to snap arms. ki means to put your attention on a thing-to connect and move your oppenents mind as the mind moves before the body does! Morihei Ueshiba in his later years would not even touch people to send them into the air, he moved their minds, ki-aikidos as close as you can get to proper aikido
I agree with what you are saying....to a point. O'Sensei spent many years on the "path" and has whittled, for want of a better word, the truth from his Aiki-Jiujitsu roots. I don't believe you can truly fathom Ki (as you define it - also refer to Musashi's The five rings) by training at Kiti level without first perfecting Kihon and Juti forms
I practise ki-aikido and we seem to spend a lot of time, going through the sincerity of the attack, although it's limited to the grade your at for example you should attack knowing you can escape safely from the technique performed, whoever choose this music has real issues with taste i hate the way people put videos of things like this and paste over utter cheesy rubish it's an insult to aikido in general.
Attack sincerity is difficult at all levels. You cannot attack sincerely if you believe the attack is going to fail, you would have to be nuts. You say "you should attack knowing you can escape safely from the technique performed", how do you do this when you do not know the technique being performed (Takemusu Aiki). This is where the sensitivity of Uke is developed and Ukemi is perfected. This is why kihon is important as Kyu/ early Yudansha can attack with full commitment and still take ukemi
The sincerity of Uke is non existent in this sequence which is disappointing. I believe that many what is "popularly" called Ki Aikido have skipped the basic Kihon training that is more prevalent in the prewar /early post war departures such as Yoshinkan and Iwama (Saito). While I agree all aikidoka are climbing the same hill from different sides, If Uke is restrained from being honest then all training regardless of genre deteriorates into being a farce....as can be seen here (with all respect)
LET ME SEE I KNOW NOTHING BECAUSE AIKIDOTA WORKS WITH THE KI, OBVIOUSLY YOU NEVER PRACTISE OTHER MARTIAL ARTS.... MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE
99XM 3 months ago
@Ekeke98 it doesnt work in real fight with real fighters only works in dummies and old ladies.
YOU KNOW THAT, YOUY ONLY SEE AIKIDO IN MOVIES., GO TO SEE REAL COMBAT AND LEARN SOMNETHING.
99XM 3 months ago
@99XM well, u really talking about something u completely ignoring. Please, look forward and think. ...and DO U LIKE A FOURIOUS STRONG GAY ATTAKING U?hihiihi
Shinaikido 3 months ago
@Shinaikido i dont lik gay i prefere kung fu.
99XM 3 months ago
@Ekeke98 ahaha this is stupid he even toutch him.
in real fight you will get real too fast puches and you can defend from those simulateouns too fast punches, you go to hospital to reflect about your life again, ehehehe ai ai ki ..:)
it may be good for those inocent who want to grab you, but for a furious strong gay, we are done, and losts of years trianing for nothing.
99XM 3 months ago
Effortless cause its collusional and nobody is really attacking. Its really a health system and bugger all else...... It has lost its martial effectiveness years ago when Ueshiba died.... end of....
towag 6 months ago
nice demo and really nice dojo
RedTailedTuna 9 months ago
excellent demonstration by Yoshigasaki sensei
markoaikisensei 9 months ago
El Aikido aveces, me da lástima!!
aikipablo100 11 months ago
@aikipablo100 A mí, el aikido a veces, me lastima.
aherrns 5 months ago
A beautiful display of Shin Shin Toitsu Aikido. All of the techniques are soooo effortless, and soft and redirecting. Great video and Highly Skilled Sensei. I will try to work towards his skill level... It will take a while.... Arigatou Gozaimasu Sensei.
NTNGUYEN 11 months ago
omfg. these people who says that 'this' is nonsense doesn't really know what martial art is. martial art is not all about fighting or whatever you want to call it. -__-
iunus00005 1 year ago
reech......
reech......
aglabab 1 year ago
Omg, it's Ki Ballet!
shangliu 1 year ago
If Aikido were this easy everyone would be blackbelts.
Got to give credd to the ukes, god cardio...
871025martin 1 year ago
No sabía que el ballet es un arte marcial!
Nahelus 1 year ago
aikido people is always bla...bla...bla....I practice long time aikido (10 years) I know Yoshigasaki sensei .If somebody thinks that this practice is bullshit just have to go to try a course with him and try with a high level student and get your own answer.
after a period of 3 years practising another aikido style I decide to study with Yoshigasaki,cause after the course I was feeling how they can apply technichs apparently soft but actually most effective that some styles called strong aikido.
sokoramane 1 year ago 4
ah the oldest ma debate.. seriously if your looking here for combative technique thats ridiculous. I'm sure if he were to demonstrate a combative technique it would look different. The principle would be the same and thats key here.
Aikido is not unlike other practises. A boxer must skip and a jiujitsu ka must drill locks. Aikido practice body changes and harmonising with large movements. That doesn't mean that it should be applied with big movements. Its just easier to learn that way
ShudokanTV 1 year ago
AIKIDO...
Das ist Aikido?! Unglaublich...
Das ist kinderspiel! Ich bin sicher...
brunoaxtmachado 1 year ago
@brunoaxtmachado
u really don't know what u're talking about...just nosense talking of something u completly ignore.
Usually, talking of something that we don't know or we don't understand is called "lie"or also"Bullshit".
Sorry dude but u have to train for many years with this sensei before judging
Shinaikido 1 year ago 10
Agreed it most take a lot of time learning when to fall for this guy:)
871025martin 1 year ago
@Shinaikido
he said
AIKIDO ...
This is Aikido? Unbelievable ...
This is child's play! I'm sure ...
maxofthetitans 1 year ago
@brunoaxtmachado if you really think it's child's play, why not challenge an Aikido sensei? You should have an easy time defeating him , or her, if it's really as "unbelievable" as you think it is.
fenrisangerboda 1 year ago
@brunoaxtmachado
ja leider wird das auch als Aikido bezeichnet, obwohl es ja nichts damit zu tun hat und den rest der seriösen Aikidoka einen schlechten Ruf als esoterik Tanz verpasst.
wwwAIKIDOat 1 year ago
@brunoaxtmachado ach ja, und dieser Mann sagte: Sie wissen wirklich nicht, was du redest Unsinn reden ... nur von etwas, das Sie komplett zu ignorieren.
Normalerweise spricht von etwas, das wir nicht kennen oder verstehen wir nicht als "Lüge" oder auch "Kuhscheiße"
Sorry Kumpel, aber Sie müssen für viele Jahre mit dieser Sensei Zug vor der Beurteilung
maxofthetitans 1 year ago
@brunoaxtmachado hey
bruno ich mache selber aikido seit 8 jahren und ich sag dir eins es ist verdammt hart! ich weiß die techniken sehen so tänzerisch und harmonisch aus aber du kannst jemanden mit diesen techniken sofern sie gut gemacht sind problemlos knochenbrechen! dennoch ist aikido komplett kampflos da man sich nur verteidigt. aber die techniken haben es echt in sich! glaub mir.
666heyho 1 year ago
@brunoaxtmachado ich habe einmal mit dem sensei trainiert und sollte ihn angreifen mit voller kraft nach weniger als 2 sek lag ich am boden und war in seinem griff gefangen so fern ich versuchte mich zu bewegen beugte er meinen arm in richtung schulter und schluss war. mit aikido ist nicht zu spaßen...
666heyho 1 year ago
@brunoaxtmachado This is not aikido, shin shin toitsu dance is forbidden from using aikido as their name by aikikai organization, they are just using it as promotional agent, for traditional aikido, try some iwama ryu (daniel toutain for example)
Bishop45acp 11 months ago
@Bishop45acp So you think Ki Aikido is fake? So you are saying Koichi Tohei's Sensei's skills are fake? hahaha, I hope you know that he was appointed as Chief Instructor of the Hombu Dojo. O Sensei chose him over others, because he was the very BEST. O Sensei didn't even choose his own son Kisshimaru Ueshiba to become Chief Instructor because O Sensei knows that only Tohei Sensei was his very BEST student and the only one to TRULY exhibit O Sensei's Aikido.
NTNGUYEN 11 months ago 2
@Bishop45acp
Please, study a bit of " Aikido's history." If Tohei sensei (head of all instructors during O'sensei) didn't leave Aikikai organisation to create a new one called Shin Shin Toitsu AIKIDO, well all the world (also Daniel Toutain) have been practice what u call "Shin shin toitsu dance". Think about that...
Shinaikido 11 months ago
@Shinaikido i was going to suggest you the same thing, study aikido history. Tohei sensei was only 8 years in short periods of time direct student of O'Sensei, unlike Morihiro Saito sensei, for example. Tohei sensei DID NOT recive 10 dan from O'Sensei, he recived it in 1970 or 1971 from Hombu dojo, O'Sensei died in '69, although it is nice story that feeds ki aikidokas ego. As for yoshigasaki, he INVENTED this what you are seing, it is not even Kohei's original Shin Shin Toitsu
Bishop45acp 11 months ago
@Bishop45acp
It is suggested you read Stanley Pranin's timely March 18th, 2011 article about this very subject of Tohei Sensei's 10th dan promotion by O'Sensei. The Aikido Journal article is titled “Koichi Tohei’s 10th dan Promotion” by Stanley Pranin.
Tamashek69 11 months ago
@Shinaikido You can ask him that. I know that because when friend of mine wanted to congratulate Tohei sensei his recent birthday, he got reply from Tohei sensei that Yoshigasaki is not affiliated any more with Shin Shin Toitsu, because hes not teaching the way Tohei sensei did. Now, i'm not here to slam mud on anyone, but i am against lies, one being that yoshigasaki has ANYTHING to do with O'Senseis aikido, which is Iwama Ryu aikido, not Hombu, Iwama
Bishop45acp 11 months ago
@Bishop45acp
man seriously what do you know about o'senseis teachings? have you read a single book about Useshiba teachings? have you ever visited Sensei Yoshigasakis seminar? i guess no! so dont talk about things you dont know and dont understand.
moshorules 9 months ago
@Shinaikido there he, with help of Saito sensei, perfected his art. And one thing he emphasized was, first kihon, hard practice, than ki no nagare. Hombu has week kihon, Shin Shzin Toitsu has none and Yoshigasaki sensei managed to do even that. Now do some research on your own, don't ask the broken phone (your sensei), i suggest Stanley Pranin from aikido journal. have a nice day
Bishop45acp 11 months ago
@Bishop45acp
Man, what u have said is all your point of view...the only thing "real" that u said is that Yoshigasaki sensei is not affiliated with Tohei Sensei anymore...the other staff, well if u want to bilieve that ...believe it; the world doesn't change for that.For the aim of Ki aikidocas EGO, may be u have to reconnect with yourself because no one here is talking bad obout other "style" instead of u that seem really touchy and frail when someone say something different of what u believe.
Shinaikido 11 months ago
@Shinaikido Ok, i apologise for offensive stance. I read the article someone suggested, i didn't know that, i guess joke's on me when talking about researching history :) but i still stand behind what i said, shin shin toitsu is NOT and NEVER WILL BE aikido, it may have some elements, but it is not budo just like aikido will never be dayto ryu.
Bishop45acp 11 months ago
@Bishop45acp
after reading this "shin shin toitsu is NOT and NEVER WILL BE aikido, it may have some elements, but it is not budo" i rofled, and i'll say again, you are pretty clueless person...
moshorules 9 months ago
@Bishop45acp
i got to say you are pretty clueless...
and im gona be offended if you say that you train aikido
p.s. tell me, whats aikido for you, what aikido means to you?
moshorules 9 months ago
@brunoaxtmachado you didnt practice any martial arts,do you?a martial art "fighter"respect every other art of martial art and not only one! and SSTAikidô is really hard and you must train it for more than 5 years to defend your self! But if you do it right and with respect for other people you can beat a Krav Maga fighter!(im not but Bruno Maule 6.dan he will be the next sensei he was the head of a security "centre"in dubai he know all about it.so pls do not say anything wrong about it)
666heyho 10 months ago
Nice video...
he smoothly leads and completely controls uke.
lopezb 1 year ago
These ARE pre-determined techniques! They are being practised by one practitioner with another practitioner. Remove from the equation one practitioner and substitute them with somebody who who wants to fight and the situation of testing those techniques becomes more reliable and even less realistic.
Aikido is a 'way' of harmonising and techniques rarely harmonise unless both people want them to.
All very beautiful but totally unrealistic.
Darryld1 1 year ago
@Darryld1 then you must learn how to harmonize with anyone in any situation.
You complain about it being "Predetermined", but it is based on How people would attack.
It is beautiful, but in a fighting situation, Beauty is traded for Practicality.
after all, one of My aikido senseis survived a knife wielding opponent using this "Unrealistic" style.
fenrisangerboda 1 year ago
@fenrisangerboda You say 'Harmonize' others say 'defend and attack'. The thing is that 'Harmonizing' in this way requires a great deal of predictable movement and/or cooperation and this is simply as unrealistic as say expecting an opponent to fight fairly.
The most successful fight is one where one person punches another ONCE!
Darryld1 1 year ago
@Darryld1
ah, but there is where you have made a mistake.
when you are very good, you will be able to Predict their movements.
when they attack, you are mearly using their momentum to defeat them.
they want to go forward, you let them.
No clash, no struggle, and it is over.
your "Best fight = one punch" theory is meaning less when the attacker ends up flying through the air.
it does seem you have little knowledge about the Use of Aikido in an actual situation.
not surprising.
fenrisangerboda 1 year ago
@fenrisangerboda and you seem to want others to believe that you have some special powers such as ESP.
What is your qualification to teach others Aikido?
"..you will be able to Predict their movements." - Wrong. 'Direct and control', NOT 'predict'. That is a very big difference which you have obviously yet to learn.
"it does seem you have little knowledge about the Use of Aikido in an actual situation." - Again, your ESP is failing you. Where is your evidence for this?
Darryld1 1 year ago
MarshalNey13,I agree with you as well as PeterJRaia.I am a Godan in Aikido and train MMA.I teach Practical Aikido and as such developed Aikido defenses against the plum(thai clinch),collar tie,two on one,over underhook(50/50),and wrestling hand fighting.We do Aikido with "live energy"(contested) but we cannot apply the lock fully,only gain and try to keep position of the lock.I have used 5 of 7 Aikido techniques successfully on the street and 6 of 8 BJJ techniques also.So it does work.
badboyjeff031 1 year ago
So, Aikido is like dancing tango with dumbfuck people....
That explains everything.
royalraverock 1 year ago
nice
wwwyoose 1 year ago
He'd only be of good use in a jungle, lots of flies to swat there, or Australia, they have a fly problem there I believe.
fugetao 1 year ago
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fugetao 1 year ago
Being an instructor, I have seen many time Yoshigasaki sensei showing effectiveness of his art. I think it wolud be very difficult to overwhelm him. Effectiveness is not only limited to punches, kiks and levers; it's a matter of subtle perception of the opponent intention, of right timing, of the non-collision capacity and above all, a matter of unification of main and body through the Four Principle as taught by Tohei O Sensei, the teacher of Yoshigasaki sensei.
Good practice to everybody.
trvizan 2 years ago
I am 55, started studying MA 38 years ago. I have been practicing Ki Aikido with Yoshigasaki sensei for 14 years and I know him personally very well. He is a very good sensei, very honest. He knows what's effective. People misunderstand the difference between educational practice in order to develop Ki and harmonius movement (unification between mind and body - Shin shin toitsu do) and effectiveness.
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wwwAIKIDOat 2 years ago
It is just nonsence that u can't believe that it is aikido...Let's me to remind you that O'Sensei said: "Aikido has not predetermined forms because it is the study of the spirit "...from your words seems that your vision of reality is a bit rigid
Shinaikido 2 years ago 4
@wwwAIKIDOat
No, it is Aikido. If you call Aikido nonsense, that is fine; tastes vary. But you are not the judge on which style is Aikido and which is not.
Derukugi2 1 year ago
@wwwAIKIDOat you don't seem to know something about aikido.
GokiGandalf 1 year ago
why violent music on a peaceful selfdefense art , u better hear this music while watching WWE not aikido
KuzushiPower 2 years ago
@ the host sorry about being so impolite the last time here maybe im just having a couple of bad days then, however thank you for posting.
Cheers!
03sankyu 2 years ago
It's like a dance, a conversation between two people, mazin!
honeysara 2 years ago
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FightingWarrior 2 years ago
I think it is both pathetic and saddening that so many people are so interested in what other people are doing in their respective martial arts. Surely the true path of any martial art is personal development. Not brow beating one another. Don't disrespect yourself or you martial art.
Aiki421 2 years ago 12
lol...just thought I'd post the mail that 03sankyu (strangely, with a ninja/magna type avatar...lololol) 'sent' me! The chimp thinks it's a feckin NINJA!lolololol...HILARIOUS! THANK you 03....PLEASE just keep being you. TOP entertainment!lolol..MAIL AS FOLLOWS:
d` way u sound *`signs`* no guts no glory nothing personal just Good sport, and money. why do we kill around abit. good day 2 U mister.
barrach7 2 years ago
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03sankyu 2 years ago
@03sankyu
Oh dear....It tried! Sigh! It doesn't know me, apart from being some elnightened text on it's screen, yet it apparently seems to know my body form. Sad, sad...and pityful.
Oh dear...you really haven't a clue about much t all, have you sonny...?! Away and put on your tabby-boots Hong Kong uey...you evidently know nothing. Enjoy your wickle KF films whilst self-abusing in your wickle ninja suit. FACT: I pity you...How does it feel to be sussed out as yet another rectal wart?
barrach7 2 years ago
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03sankyu 2 years ago
@03sankyu
lololo...oh dear! It now considers I'm 'white', uneducated and haven't (over 20 years training in) what are genrally termed 'martial arts'. Amazing what a sad, mystisism loving, tooth-fairy-smooching ninja chimp can deduct from a few lines of text on a screen! Go ahead chump-boy...grab yer 'throwing star' hiiiyyyAAH! (etc..SIGH!) (P.S: Keep going - you're GREAT entertainment!!!)
barrach7 2 years ago
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03sankyu 2 years ago
@03sankyu
How ironic...your reply. Might I suggest that to appreciate that you may alleviate my genuine pity of you slightly, that perhaps you read over my previous posts for the enlightened answers that you seek. I suggest that for someone who is evidently as mentally challenged as yourself, that, with respect, even you may comprehend. Good Bless and may Hong Kong Fuey go with you...ALWAYS! suggest that you
barrach7 2 years ago
@03sankyu
P.S: Can I keep you....? LOLOLOLLOLOLOLLOLOLLOLOLOLOL...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAAA....LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLO (etc.)
barrach7 2 years ago
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03sankyu 2 years ago
Oh PLLLLLEASE say something else! As long as my sides stay together I'm loving every attempted comment!lolololololol...FANTASTIC! THANK YOU! PMSL
barrach7 2 years ago
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03sankyu 2 years ago
At LAST! At least a sense of humour!lol
barrach7 2 years ago
If it's so effective, why do Aikido practitioners never win full-contact, limited rules events? I'm not having a go at Aikdo, just don't see how it can be deemd/claimed as a 'self-defence' art, if no deomonstrable evidence of it's effectiveness(?) (Haved attended a few aikido classes in teh past and taught two forms of full-contact, self-defence based martial arts in the past myself).
barrach7 2 years ago
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03sankyu 2 years ago
@03sankyu
Oh, don't be so silly little lassie! Obviously you misunderstand what fighting's all about. Nothing 'mystic' about it! Get a grip, ya eejit! Here you are, 'challenging' someone you've never seen to a 'fight'. What a twat! THINK about it lassie. Was an honest and questionin post I gave. I should have expected such a pseudo-mystic, retrded answer on such a thread! Good GRIEF you twat! SHEESH!
barrach7 2 years ago
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03sankyu 2 years ago
@03sankyu
'Glory'....!lololoololo...It's a fooken martial art, you twat! THANK you for being you!lololo0l...HILARIOUS!!!!
barrach7 2 years ago
@03sankyu
P.S: You don't know anything about me. So what you're effectively stating is that you're willing to challenge any person in teh world at any level in any discipline and you'll beat them! Oh, the twattiness shines out of you like the sun! What a know-cheese! How about putting yourself forward to a multi-discipline, full contact, no-rules fighting competition? See how you come off! DDUUUHHHHHHH!Hilarious!
PSS: 900 years? Who gives a toss? How relevant is that?! Don't be a twat!
barrach7 2 years ago
Look how gentle and effortless those movements are. It doesn't appear that any from of physical strain is happening. The movements look as natural as breathing. Sometimes almost no physical contact between the 2 seem to take place. Man this is amazing. I love it.
RedCrescentDemon 2 years ago 14
*sigh* Aikido. Good old times. I used to be in an Aikido dojo but I had to quit because of circumstances. Aikido is an awesome art. I've never felt more in control of myself than when I was training under it. I actually liked the ukemi part more than being the nage. It was like a rollercoaster or something just doing those rolls. And every time, the roll would feel better and smoother. Good Old Times. But the rock music playing during the demonstration is a bit inappropriate.
RedCrescentDemon 2 years ago
. . . have you not realised that when strength meets strength, the strongest wins. Yet when strength meets nothing, strength is neutralised, this is when and aikidoka's ki moves the partners mind and application happens. This is a further use of ki - to move the mind of your partner. Also one reason why atemi is used. My experience is from over 20 years of study of aikdio, kendo and iaido. Funkey-Monkey's points are also valid
sachifre 2 years ago
. . . and to use strength restricts this flow. Maybe you could reference shiatsu and acupuncture to further understand this.
To be thrown with ki, is to be thrown by a relaxed partner. This is in the confines of a dojo, not street fight. Please remember that aikidoka look after there partners and full use of developed ki is kept within dojo confines and is performed on students with the same or higher ukemi abilities. Yes of course mechanics come into play, but in your 18 years . . .
sachifre 2 years ago
Prickett233 - what style of aikido have you been practising for the last 18 years? Aikdio with the study of Ki (Ki-society or other) use tests to prove that to put your mind at your tanden stabilises the body. Think anywhere else (lets say shoulder or forehead) de-stabilises the body. Therefore, you have not had these tests or your tester is not testing you correctly. Ki is a manifestation of your own spirit, and flows naturally during relaxation . . .
sachifre 2 years ago
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Lasciamo pure ke brancolino nel buio. Tu pratichi ancora aikido dunque!? Io nn potendo praticare come andrebbe, mi son visto "costretto" a cercare un altra via...ora faccio Wushu e la cosa importante è ke il maestro è molto competente e riconosciuto...tuttavia spero di fare una cosa complementare. Studiando certi aspetti tipo l atemi il saper colpire in generale, ke nell aikido erano trascurati rendendo quindi la tecninca irreale visto ke nasceva da un attacco irreale. Ke ne pensi?
Neo09012 2 years ago
Concordo...lasciamo pure ke brancolino nel buio. Tu pratichi ancora aikido dunque!? Io nn potendo praticare come andrebbe, mi son visto "costretto" a cercare un altra via...ora faccio Wushu e la cosa importante è ke il maestro è molto competente e riconosciuto...tuttavia spero di fare una cosa complementare. Studiando certi aspetti tipo l atemi il saper colpire in generale, ke nell aikido erano trascurati rendendo quindi la tecninca irreale visto ke nasceva da un attacco irreale. Ke ne pensi?
Neo09012 2 years ago
Rispondono così perkè nn hanno capito ke nn è vero Aikido. IO ho aperto gli okki dopo aver letto Budo e L essenza dell Aikido di O sensei. Dopo ho incominciato a fare paragoni tra l Aikido come lo intendeva O sensei e quello ke praticavo IO. Capendo ke l'Amore aveva "preso il sopravvento" sulla marzialità. Dico solo ke queste persone capiranno solo se verranno pestate da qualcuno e crollerà la loro sicurezza. Questa sarà l unica lezione ke gli farà capire ke il loro Aikido è falso!
Neo09012 2 years ago
If you use ki aikido in a fight will you have an advantage?
surferchic28 2 years ago
That is an awesome dojo.
beardydave 2 years ago
ive been training ki aikido for about half a year, im about 7th kyu and i tell you i definatly have been feeling the differance in the outside world. most people criticise the techniques in aikido but i find the ki test the most important, if you apply these skills in any combat situation it will give you an almost definate advantage, in my case anyways.
GraveyIsNice 2 years ago 2
anyone who has training in aikido i am very interested in your views of aikido uses of internal energy
i have no martial arts training but i have a punching bag and can make myself heat up very rapidly using movements i constructed myself which helped me in the cold of winter as a kid
what i am interested in is how you stay balanced i have seen your ki testing and it intrigues me and reminds me of no mind training
if anyone would care to explain i offer no criticism and wish no body harm
JuggalaT 2 years ago
when I trained my sensei said you don't have to punch or kick and think I hit him, you have to go through the other... and that's ki. that's what he said xD
xSebfighterx 2 years ago
i have trained aikido no ki aikido for over ten years, there is no secret or special stance it is just focusing your mind two inches below your bellybutton, the centre of gravity of your body and just stay relaxed and constantly try and incorpoarte this into everyday things you are doing and when walking and it will slowly improve, it has for me anyways. Hope i helped
dennyufc 2 years ago
Difficult question. To me, the main idea is to be able to connect every part of my body. In the beginning, through a manifestation of the "centre" - hara. I try to remain calm and relaxed and not change the tonus of my muscles in one part of the body as an answer to an oncoming force. But rather to connect that part with all the rest. Basically, as if one is leaning on a table: Your muscles aren't switched off, but they don't stiffen up either... Don't know if that is of any help :)
aikikarl 2 years ago
the idea is to percieve all that surronds you, don't focus on your atacker, everything that your eye can see is your space, and an attacker is just another object in that space, so by not focusing everything on him u maintain your balance, percieve all that surrounds you, that gives you balance and lets you keep your center.
morbidni3 2 years ago
to a listeners ears, when they hear someone talk about ki they get some idea of it being mystical, unexplained energy force. the idea of focusing 2 inches below the navel is nothing more than delusional, you can focus anywhere and get the same affect. the point is if you focus or concentrated on a task at hand whilst being relaxed you achieve the same result as someone claiming to use ki .
prickett233 2 years ago
as for ki being some kind of energy that gives strength, this is also an illusion. those who claim to use ki when doing a throw in aikido are really doing nothing more than using principles of mechanics, timing and coordination of their own body movement in relationship to that of the partners. if you practice these understandable qualities (mechanics, timing, coordination) eventually you become so skilled at it , from an observers point of view you appear to have an effortless strength
prickett233 2 years ago
Quite honestly, i understand exactly what you mean, so dont take this as some condesending crap. Ki is not about strength, although it has been taken out of context by those seeking to make money, and so make stuff up to make interesting, and therefore profitable. I am not particuarly skilled in Aikido, so am unable to decribe Ki, but if it interests you, go along to any Aikido dojo, and the sensei there will be happy to show you. Its one of those things best experienced than explained.
FunkeyChunkeyMonkey0 2 years ago
my opinion is based on my experiences, of which I have been practicing aikido daily for around 18 years.
prickett233 2 years ago
Which style?
I practise under the Ki association
FunkeyChunkeyMonkey0 2 years ago
go watch other aikido videos please before you get the wrong idea!
dantemustkill 2 years ago
His quote at 1:34, while true, is hardly profound. And while the techniques shown here are equally un-profound. They may work in the very limited context being shown, but they will not do anything to prevent him from getting an full on ass wooping from even a moderately less cooperative uke. There is great aikido out there that has excellent functionality and is true to the philosophy - but this is not it.
uchideshi8 2 years ago
I believe your statement is quite un-defined in context of any reference you are giving. All I will say is if you truly think you can stop these practioners, I urge you to challange them, and 'give a real attack'. I think you will find that the end result will be your attack, and that's it. The basis of any practical martial art is to disconnect your mental intention from any offense. Shin Shin Toitsu Aikido places that to a practical level far beyond your apparent aptitude of martial arts.
Auronthewolf 2 years ago
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I have challenged shihans in aikido just like this one - with real attacks (not this stuff you see in the video) - and they can't do a thing. The basis of any practical martial art is to finish off the opponent quickly - something the "uke's" in this video apparently don't know how to do. How about the most obvious answer - the emperor has no clothes!
uchideshi8 2 years ago
you are right uchideshi8
vibovitold 2 years ago
Let me note - following my comment below - that I'm a 30+ year practitioner of aikido and believe that aikido has something important to offer both in terms of martial art as well as personal development, but this kind of demonstration sets aikido backward by furthering the perception of many (and I believe correctly) that aikido is not a martial art - when in fact, I believe it requires the highest level of skill to accomplish. Meaning, you can't just do a pretty dance and make uke fall down.
markitymark09 2 years ago
If you don't like it you don't have to practice it, there is no need for arbitrary comments such as these, it is a disservice to everyone who practices aikido. The only responsibility you have is to your own interpretation of the martial art and no one else's. Just practice hard and make the martial art your own. Speaking about MY experience, though relatively short, the people who flaunt their "30 years of experience", triple blackbelts, etc. almost ALWAYS end up knowing the least.
johnnygeograham 2 years ago 3
The only disservice to aikido is pretending that we're watching something here besides a pretty dance. And regarding my experience - you REALLY have no clue.
markitymark09 2 years ago
It looks really like you have no clue. It's very hard to believe that someone practicing over 30 years could be this pig-headed but I suppose anything is possible.
kbs1138 2 years ago
kbs1138 is exactly the kind of response to expect from religious/cultish thinking. I have previously acknowledged certain benefits of aikido practice, but question its validity (in this particular demonstration) as a martial art and you resort to telling me I have a stinky attitude. Am I to assume that if my attitude were better I'd suddenly be blessed with lower standards of rational thought?
markitymark09 2 years ago
You get flamers everywhere, chill out maaaaan.
Head over to a dojo, fight it out with a sensei in a battle of wit and rational thought, and then ask him to show you what Ki is. Seeing is believing :P
FunkeyChunkeyMonkey0 2 years ago
and your response is exactly the kind I would expect from some moron that has practiced for many years and still hasn't caught on but yet let likes to flaunt their time in practice while at the same time not realizing their comments just reveal how little they have learned and how much time they have wasted. You think you know but you really don't, very sad really.
kbs1138 2 years ago
@kbs1138 oh man, when I read this, and then clicked your profile to see who you are, I laughed my dick off man :D:D
exitspree 2 years ago
@exitspree sorry to here about the loss of your appendage, may the troll hospital can sew it back on.
kbs1138 2 years ago
@kbs1138 sorry to hear you're such a dick, gtfo glassed youtube hero
exitspree 2 years ago
I agree with bushin64 below. I suppose a case could be made that some transcendent thing is being shown here, but (due respect) all I see is a bunch of guys throwing themselves now matter how bad this guys timing and technique are. Some white guys see a Japanese guy in a hakama and just can't help throwing themselves on the ground - or so it seems sometimes.
markitymark09 2 years ago
" he didnt really throw me off balance, but... well look at how cool that hakama is!!!!"
dantemustkill 2 years ago
To call ki-aikido a pretty dance is too strong I think. Why don't you visit a seminar and experience it on your own? Anyway.. do you know who Sensei Koichi Tohei was? He was the founder of ki-aikido and THE ONLY AIKIDOKA who was given 10th dan by O'Sensei in his life. Disrespecting Tohei's way is disrespecting O'Sensei too. Furthermore, by comparing one way to the other, you lose one of the essentials of Aikido: no competition. What you have to care about is your own way and your own harmony.
MachineHeadMan147 2 years ago
Seriously... What the hell is with the music?
ChadMaestro 3 years ago
actually, its kinda good. matches the tempo too, and if we "hear" well, sensei's movement are actually become readable in many forms.
One should see the kill angle of applications from techniques not always in real time but in its original form, whereas the first founder were watching dancers, then the emperor start to made his martial compilation.
feathers333 2 years ago
This style takes the last bit remaining martial arts out of Aikido and makes it pure dance.
Derukugi2 3 years ago
With all due respect, there are may flaws in Yoshigasaki-san's techniques. Neither he nor his uke show zanshin or musubi. Uke's balance is not even upset (we call this kurai dori) as strongly seen in 0:53. Thus uke is simply falling down and not thrown. I know there is a spiritual side to the study of aikido but remember that here is a martial component.
bushin64 3 years ago
that's ridiculous :D
insano64 3 years ago
deserve oskar more than a black belt
akumayoukai 3 years ago
It could be useful in matrial arts, but it's not a matrial art at all
KievAMF 3 years ago
I see this video has 4.5/5 stars so I'm guessing most viewers are pro-Aikido. I have a few questions I hope some of you can answer. Do practitioners believe that this "Ki" stuff would actually work on someone in a real fight? Could this guy or an advanced Aikido master knock someone down/throw them with just his fingertips if they were not cooperating? I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but I want to know what people who do this really believe.
MarshalNey13 3 years ago
I'm happy that u ask that.
Well, Ki is not something that increase you powerfull and it's quite impossible knock someone down with one finger. But, studying Ki u can understand better yourself, and knowing better your mind and your body probably u can move better in a real fight.
Ki is something Not clear, cuold be feeling, emotion, intention and more. It helps u to understand who are u and where u're giong.
We're studying Ki in the martial art of Aikido couse Aikido is really good to study it.
Shinaikido 3 years ago
Ok, if Ki= focus, mental clarity or understanding of your own body position/movements then I guess I can understand that. However, I don't think any amount of training or "Ki" can do what these Aikido masters do in their videos.
MarshalNey13 3 years ago
For one reason or another the expression of aikido varies widely. Perhaps this was by design when originally taught by O-Sensei (I don't know). Your questions are valid. In my 18 yrs of aikido I have seen plenty. I have been inexplainably thrown with just fingertips and was not cooperating. In my school we study with a more martial attitude as we have police and military operators in our class (the stuff has to work). Aikido can be a valid martial art depending on your instructor.
bushin64 3 years ago
I think i know that feeling.. I was training it for about two years and just in a moment than i wanted to quit i found myself in a fight.. First of all i was just defending, but in all of that confusing i found myself holding his hand just like in last training lesson.. I did exactly what Sensei told us and i was like : Wow man, that actually works !.. Not everything you will teach you will use.. But some positions etc will realy help you, just as much as it helpt me..
archaanchel 3 years ago
@MarshalNey13 O Sensei would be the 1st to tell you that aikido isn't a technique practiced to fell an opponent, but rather a way to reconcile humanity and make the world one family. One first endeavors to build a better world and harmonious existence; it's a personal failure to be drawn AWAY from a principled stand and INTO a state of conflict. One's ability in a street brawl or "squaring off" is not an issue, and is alien to the aikido spirit.
PeterJRaia 1 year ago
@PeterJRaia
Been a while since I wrote that. My skepticism still holds though. I feel like Aikido people feel like taking the philosophical moral high ground will give them an advantage in a real fight. I have a big problem with techniques that are only practiced against compliant partners because they are practiced in a way that does not mirror a real fight. I understand aikido may offer some spiritual fulfillment but from a physical perspective I am skeptical.
MarshalNey13 1 year ago
@MarshalNey13 Fair enough, man. "...in a real fight" would indicate that fighting and self defense are the same thing. Self defense = survival of the BODY, i.e., to safely evade, minimize, or immobilize the threat. Fighting = survival of the EGO and is essentially a social ritual concerned with attaining/keeping some value (status in the group, a drug fix, prize money in a sport competition...). Please note what I wrote in my subsequent post regarding compliance in training. Peace, bro!
PeterJRaia 1 year ago
@PeterJRaia
Ok, I think you're talking about semantics here. My point applies to "self-defense" too. Without practicing it against someone who is trying to resist you how do you know it will work? How do you know you'd be able to "minimize/immobilize" the threat instead of just get beaten up? The Aikido drills that I've seen require the attacker to essentially give the defender his arm or his back or charge at him like a bull. This seems highly unnatural.
MarshalNey13 1 year ago
@MarshalNey13
Aikido practitioners cite the dangers of resisting a technique, but I'd like to challenge that premise. How can you learn the nuances/subtleties of a technique if you have to trust that in the moment of truth, they'll just work. You would think that there would be at least one practitioner of aikido who had the skill and restraint to practice their art against a live opponent without killing/maiming him. I don't see how a friendly match could be anything but informative for both.
MarshalNey13 1 year ago
@MarshalNey13 Consider also that even in our day & age, a piss-drunk young tough in a bar doesn't allow you the time and opportunity to square up with him before he rushes you; he CERTAINLY doesn't approach in a proper defensive stance. We have the physical tools to address both, though. Bottom line, in fighting (whether consensual brawling or sport sompetition) you train to overcome not only the opponent's physical state but also his will.
PeterJRaia 1 year ago
@PeterJRaia Whereas aikido develops the ability, and nurtures the compassion, to safeguard both. In attacker AND ourselves. And again, devoid of ego-driven need for approval from OUTSIDE ourselves, we endeavor not be so eaily drawn into conflict; the attacker MISSES 100% of the attacks he gives which we aren't there to RECIEVE, if that makes any sense?
PeterJRaia 1 year ago
@PeterJRaia
Self defense is still fighting. I.e. you are intentionally trying to hurt the other person. The same moves which are too dangerous for a training partner to resist would undoubtedly serious hurt an attacker who has no desire to move willingly with the techniques. If aikido protects attacker and defender then live sparring shouldn't be a problem as nobody would get hurt, and if it is too devastating for live practice, then it seems that the guy at the bar will leave seriously hurt.
MarshalNey13 1 year ago
@MarshalNey13 If the guy at the bar does leave seriously hurt, the aikidoka would consider it a personal failure, despite that the law may deem it legally justifiable self defense.
PeterJRaia 1 year ago
@PeterJRaia
of course, I i understand that. My question then is why, if aikido can subdue an non compliant attacker without serious injury, can't it be used in live sparring?
MarshalNey13 1 year ago
@MarshalNey13 By your definition perhaps does self defense equal fighting; many would view it otherwise. Devoid of a desire to "submit" an assailant, and in fact viewing a "victory" coming at someone else's expense to be no victory at all, there's no "fight" there by definition. Legally, how can one explain to a judge why he didn't release that choke earlier, or fail to escape when he COULD have and instead remain to slug it out? Prepare to defend one's honor in PRISON, sad to say.
PeterJRaia 1 year ago
@PeterJRaia
ok. See that's the problem. I have never seen a serious Aikido match. Everything I've seen on YT(and i've seen a bunch of vids) is a demonstration and is in no way applicable in a real situation...a fight or self defense. This vid for example uses techniques that, in their present form, would simply not work. If i wanted to attack someone i wouldn't charge at them and try to grab their wrist. No way. Maybe if I was a rag doll but I'm not. Demos like this give Aikido a bad name.
MarshalNey13 1 year ago
@MarshalNey13 I have seen at least a couple good randori videos on YT. The wrist grabbing responses were born of someone trying to stop a samurai from drawing his sword, but are equally as relevant today for a police officer, for example, needing to stop a crackhead from seizing his weapon (most officer fatalities result from the officer's own weapon being taken). Just one example to illustrate what I'd said earlier about the principles being timeless.
PeterJRaia 1 year ago
@PeterJRaia
link them to me if you have them on hand, I'm curious. I'm open minded so i can believe that Aikido wristlocks might work. I study jiu jitsu so joint locks are commonplace. Only, when I'm rolling, nobody is going to just give me their arm/hand.
MarshalNey13 1 year ago
@MarshalNey13 I'll dig them out, no worries. Cool, you study jiujitsu? Daito ryu aikijutsu was the primary source art from which aikido was derived, so we'd doubtless recognize alot in each other's practice. True, no one will "give" you anything knowing it'll be used against their intent. Aikido also has atemi (vital point strikes) used not to injure but to set up, when circumstances call for it.
PeterJRaia 1 year ago
@PeterJRaia
as a follow up point I agree 100% that the best way to block a punch is to not be there when it lands, but how do you train dodging punches if live sparring is out of the question? I respect what you say and I thank you for your time but I do not understand a MA system that expects a practitioner to be in control of a hostile situation when their practice methods do not reflect that.
just my opinion
MarshalNey13 1 year ago
@MarshalNey13 The demonstrations and controlled working of techniques giving rise to our discussion you see aren't the entire syllabus. There is randori, wherein attacks not pre-planned or known by uke (recipient) are launched, often times by multiple attackers, and uke is evaluated by his composure under assault AT LEAST as much as his skill in warding them off.
PeterJRaia 1 year ago
@MarshalNey13 Not sure I'd agree it's semantics. Between self defense and fighting, there are two entirely objectives and thus differing mindsets and training methodologies. Again, it's in a practitioner's own interest and safety that he "goes with it", along with helping the other person learn. Consider also that as a traditional art it does go back some 1000 years in it's roots; people DID attack differently as a rule. The principles, however, are timeless and, we believe, universal
PeterJRaia 1 year ago
@MarshalNey13 To speak strictly on the PHYSICAL expression of aikido, your question has the implicit premise that the practitioner has cooperation from his training partner because he NEEDS it. Quite the contrary, one's partner "honors" that technique and goes with accordingly in the full knowledge that should one NOT, injury or at least great pain are assured. My question would be, would that undiscipined brawler have any slightest CLUE how to go with it and fall so as to AVOID the above?
PeterJRaia 1 year ago
one thing our sensei wanted to do which makes a lot of sense is have new students only ukemi for the first two years.
like they do in japan,
spick1923 3 years ago
I understand the logic behind this but I'm not convinced. We have to learn a number of basics in parallel. You need to be able to attack perfectly to be able to perfect ukemi. topukemi is just acrobatics otherwise. You need perfect hip development to be able to attack perfectly. This only comes from weapons suburi and strong resistance Kihon training with Morote Dori, Ryote Dori, Tai no Henko as nage(shite) with a non compliant uke. Besides being an incredibly boring 2y it can develop bad habits
DeStijlBenighted 3 years ago
what about coordinating mind and body
is that not the purpose of aikido, by learning just the techniques all you are achivieing is a learned muscle memory,
theres no soul in it. fair enougth if you are a robot but we are not robots we are living free beings, nevermind how much our society trys to convince us otherwise.
spick1923 3 years ago
Coordination of the mind and body is a development process rather than a goal. Permit a bad analogy. Like learning to drive a car. when you start you get hung up on the gears and the clutch and the timing and the engine revs and the spacing (miai) while parking.etc. it takes time to be proficient at this and we still havent leant the techniques of driving outside the car yet, let alone the harmony with the machine that rally drivers have. we could jump ahead and learn in an auto but rally never
DeStijlBenighted 3 years ago
additonaly ki-aikido is the same as the orginal aikido except for the concept of minimal physical force pepole who fail to understand that should stick to some thing like jujitsu which teaches you to snap arms. ki means to put your attention on a thing-to connect and move your oppenents mind as the mind moves before the body does! Morihei Ueshiba in his later years would not even touch people to send them into the air, he moved their minds, ki-aikidos as close as you can get to proper aikido
spick1923 3 years ago
I agree with what you are saying....to a point. O'Sensei spent many years on the "path" and has whittled, for want of a better word, the truth from his Aiki-Jiujitsu roots. I don't believe you can truly fathom Ki (as you define it - also refer to Musashi's The five rings) by training at Kiti level without first perfecting Kihon and Juti forms
DeStijlBenighted 3 years ago
I practise ki-aikido and we seem to spend a lot of time, going through the sincerity of the attack, although it's limited to the grade your at for example you should attack knowing you can escape safely from the technique performed, whoever choose this music has real issues with taste i hate the way people put videos of things like this and paste over utter cheesy rubish it's an insult to aikido in general.
spick1923 3 years ago
Attack sincerity is difficult at all levels. You cannot attack sincerely if you believe the attack is going to fail, you would have to be nuts. You say "you should attack knowing you can escape safely from the technique performed", how do you do this when you do not know the technique being performed (Takemusu Aiki). This is where the sensitivity of Uke is developed and Ukemi is perfected. This is why kihon is important as Kyu/ early Yudansha can attack with full commitment and still take ukemi
DeStijlBenighted 3 years ago
The sincerity of Uke is non existent in this sequence which is disappointing. I believe that many what is "popularly" called Ki Aikido have skipped the basic Kihon training that is more prevalent in the prewar /early post war departures such as Yoshinkan and Iwama (Saito). While I agree all aikidoka are climbing the same hill from different sides, If Uke is restrained from being honest then all training regardless of genre deteriorates into being a farce....as can be seen here (with all respect)
DeStijlBenighted 3 years ago
agreed
cpcrampton 3 years ago
i like aikido but i see it like a theatre
sombras1981 3 years ago
0.35 iriminage...1.9 kataterytori udekiminage...1.43 Nikio :) i m 2nd kyu
lussj66 3 years ago
This could have been a useful resource for those interested in ki aikido. Instead it's ruined by pop-video editing and cheesey music. Shame.
baal05 3 years ago 2