Can You Be Gay and Christian? Clips From Dr. Michael Brown's '07 and '08 Lecture Series

[JOKACRAZY25]

I feel like throwing up! Apparently 1Corithians 6 isn't clear enough...

[lightandbeautiful]

Homosexual activists understand the power of words.

Please visit my channel to watch a one-minute video clip in which popular atheist author Richard Dawkins admits that homosexual activists "hijacked the word 'gay'".

The word "homosexual" is more appropriate and accurate because it, unlike the word "gay", actually describes the behavior/attraction/relationsh­ip being discussed.

The word "gay" helps homosexual activists push their agenda.

[SusieArviso]

By the way ... going without sex is not the "end of the world". Geesh . When you are on your death bed, your sexual preferences won't matter to you. What will matter, is what you've done with Jesus. Whatever it was within me that created the cocktail for homosexual desires 35 years ago was immediately quenched upon meeting Jesus. I did not leave that meeting the same person. Got it, yet?

[radicaldreamer927]

@SusieArviso "Whatever it was within me that created the cocktail for homosexual desires 35 years ago was immediately quenched upon meeting Jesus." Wow. Congratulations. Too bad He didn't do the same with me; it would have saved me so much grief. But, here I am... lovin Jesus and still a flaming homo... go figure, huh? By the way, it isn't God that needs convincing. In fact, I had to be convinced by God that He loved me anyway and wanted me to be happy, cuz I used to hate myself

[radicaldreamer927]

@SusieArviso for being gay. And as for the limits on sex... again, the Bible was never referring to two men or two women involved in a committed, faithful, loving, monogamous relationship. The way you interpreted it is an unfortunate fallacy that does not reflect God's true ideals. I agree, our lives should be all about what He wants... but what if He wants us to be happy? It isn't good for a man or a woman to be alone. That's coming straight from the Bible.

[SusieArviso]

Tell GOD this, rad. Convince HIM. I said before ... when a person gives their life to Christ, they are saying yes to living for Christ and obeying His Word. It is no longer about "me me me" anymore. It's about Him and what HE wants. It's one thing to have homosexual desires. It's another to practice homosexual sex. There are no limits to how much we can love. Yet there are limits on sex.

[radicaldreamer927]

@SusieArviso Homosexuality isn't just how we act. It's also how we feel. What we feel is love for members of the same sex as us. It is a love synonymous to the love that a straight man feels towards women, or vice versa. That kind of love results in marriage (hopefully), blissful happiness, and maybe even a family. Yes, a family is possible for gays too! This kind of love is wonderful and can lead to so many amazing things in life. How can acting on those feelings (continued)

[radicaldreamer927]

@SusieArviso possibly be considered a sin?

[SusieArviso]

I lived as gay up until I met Jesus. When I met Him (the great equalizer) all my issues fell to the ground as non-issues. I became a brand new person with different desires than what my flesh dictated before. I also found myself so in love with Jesus that I had no desire to pursue homosexuality. Anyone who thinks they are a Christian and practices homosexuality is a deceived person who will have a rude awakening after they pass on.

[radicaldreamer927]

Simple answer to the title question: Yes, you can. I am a living, breathing example.

Simple answer to the man's first question in the video: Fact. Otherwise those two laws would not have been in the same book of the Bible.

[SusieArviso]

@radicaldreamer927 , Correction ... anyone can say they are gay and a Christian, but that doesn't make them a Christian. Even living a moral and clean life cannot make us a Christian. Being born again means we no longer live for ourselves anymore, but for the Lord. We obey His Word and follow it. You cannot obey the scripture and practice homosexuality at the same time. It's an oxymoron.

[radicaldreamer927]

@SusieArviso The word does not condemn homosexuality. The verses that people believe were referring to all homosexuals were actually referring to specific cases of temple prostitution to honor the fertility goddess, Cybele. As for Sodom and Gomorrah, there was a whole bunch of other stuff going on that condemned them, and let me just say that a few men in the city wanting to gang rape another man is VERY different from two people of the same sex in a loving, committed relationship.

[radicaldreamer927]

@SusieArviso Make no mistake: You are still gay. You still desire partnership with another woman. That's the way God made you. Go to Google and search for "gaychristian101". Click on the second link. Study the website carefully. Don't skip over anything. Then get back to me. Cheers!

[SusieArviso]

@radicaldreamer927 , "IF" I were still "Gay" son, then I would practice abstinence just as I am already since my divorce. I met Jesus on March 6th, 1977 in an unexpected encounter and my life completely changed. You don't know the power of God. It's not about ME anymore. It's all about Him. If I were you, I would quit this nonsense. You are trying to see life from your own lens. That isn't reality.

[radicaldreamer927]

@SusieArviso And it seems that you don't know the capacity for mankind to make errors in interpreting God's word. We can't choose to be gay or straight, and God has absolutely no interest in changing how He made us in the first place. If gay people make an effort to change, they are saying in God's face "No, the way you made me is not good enough." Don't you see how disrespectful that is to God? I know the power of God. It is you who doesn't know the WILL of God.

[radicaldreamer927]

@SusieArviso Many people unfortunately interpret the words "abusers of themselves with mankind" to mean homosexuals. But how is having homosexual feelings "abuse?" How is any form of legitimate, consensual, genuine love between two adults "abuse?" And don't even get me started on "effeminate"...

Sexism, gender stereotypes, pressure to conform to societal norms and what's expected of us as men, blah blah blah blah need I say more?

[radicaldreamer927]

@SusieArviso Quit this nonsense, you mean convert to heterosexuality? I'm sure that while studying the gaychristian101 website you saw the parts referring to Exodus International's dismal 15% success rate at changing people's perceptions of their sexuality, and their behavior? Note that I never said they succeeded in changing their sexuality in and of itself. Was this a result of a lack of faith? Nope. Why wouldn't gay people enter such a psychologically damaging (continued)

[radicaldreamer927]

@radicaldreamer927 Would* sorry anyway, why would gay people enter such a psychologically damaging program if they weren't 100% sure that they wanted to change, and that God could and would do it? Yet 85% of them noticed that their feelings were not going anywhere, and discovered that God loves them just as they are. I agree that we should live our lives in servitude to God and make Him the priority... but that doesn't mean we should deprive ourselves of happiness (continued)

[radicaldreamer927]

@SusieArviso and love just because some people think that the form our love takes is wrong and sick. We have no control over our sexual orientation. The best we can do is live with it and make the most of it while still putting God before everything else. I mean come on, if straight people can manage that, then gay people can as well. We can prioritize too, ya know.

[radicaldreamer927]

@SusieArviso Also, I saw the video you sent me of the bisexual woman who seems to be confused about her orientation, though she doesn't know it. If she made such an easy "change," then she has been bisexual from the start. Maybe that's the case with you, too? If it is, then more power to ya. But for me, I will never be attracted to the opposite sex because I'm not bisexual. Also, the poor woman seems to have blamed her drug and alcohol problems on her homosexuality, (continued)

[radicaldreamer927]

@SusieArviso Or at least saw some correlation between the two. Let me be perfectly clear: Gay people come in all colors. There are gay people who abuse drugs and alcohol, and there are gay people who strongly disapprove of such things. I fall in the latter category. So the lady quit doing drugs... fantastic, I couldn't be happier for her for doing so! However, it had nothing to do with her sexual orientation.

[gore53]

Interesting theory Dr. Brown has, that God will overlook our sins as long as we continue to call out gays on their sin, which God somehow will not overlook.

Eh, don't think salvation by grace, through faith in Christ alone, works that way.

In fact, the good doctor negates God's grace by his 'evil' work.

[StLukey7]

i know gays and lesbians that have been changed....if they hadnt been...then i think the gay arguement might hold water that they cant change...obviously they are wrong.

[LifterwiII]

@StLukey7 Yeah and I know several Negros who are now Chinese.

[LifterwiII]

@tierradegosen22 So your holiness is in your penis rather than in Christ? Very interesting ...

[LifterwiII]

Michael is nothing more than a pompous loud mouthed Jew who is completely self promoting, self serving, and full of bullshit. When he says that he "loves LGBT people", I encourage anyone to look at his SELF PUBLISHED book about "Queers" with the degrading photo of a man wearing fluffy pink slippers .. and tell me if that looks like "Love" to you. Michael Brown is an asshole. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Sensiblehuman]

The term 'Christian' was first used in Acts 11:26 "And the DISCIPLES were called Christians first in Antioch." The problem is that we Americans do not know who those disciples were or the lifestyles that they chose to live. We blindly listen to our false American preachers loosely mislabeling people as Christian. If your lifestyle and commitment to God deviates from that of the disciples, Peter, et al, then you are not a Christian. Would Peter recognize you as one of them? If not, then not a Ch

[Sensiblehuman]

To come to Christ and refuse to give up our hold on sin or sin's hold on us is the same as the rich young ruler holding on to his wealth after being commissioned by Jesus to sell all, THEN, come follow him. To remain in homosexuality is to remain a fornicator, an adulterer, a thief, a liar, a Satan worshipper, a blasphemer, and everything else that Jesus died to redeem us from. Christ, therefore, has no impact on that soul. Luke 9:23 . . . deny himself . . . then follow ME!

[whatisthequestion3]

What makes a man a homosexual? Is it not his sexual preference for OTHER males? Why call it HOMOSEXUAL? That's just a cop to call it what it really is: man screwing another man in the butt (which is equivalent to screwing a skunk, or a dog, or a moose or a wolf or a lion or any other kind of animal like a monkey or something in the butt). No man in his right mind would screw a chimp or ape or gorilla in the butt or vagina. Yet men don't see the STUPIDITY in screwing another man in the butt.

[LifterwiII]

@whatisthequestion3 The interesting thing about your sexual fantasy is that I know MANY more hetero men who do that with their women than gay guys who do it with each other.

[baldassare01]

did i hear it right? homosexuality was equated with fraud (vis-a-vis, the tax collector) and promiscuity (vis-a-vis the prostitute)? and the 'change' implied was a change in profession? or is it a change in the practice of the profession? please clarify.

[bearcub410]

jesus was gay , lived with his mother , never got married , what do you think? LOL

[molimhvalaizvoli]

@bearcub410 what do i think? i think youre an idiot

[Ezra1Jesus1Disciple]

Satan's spirit is in that man, deceiving gullible Christians to believe Gay is acceptable. Like Eve was deceived.

[64Brandy]

To turn to Jesus is Giving up sin. Gay! Lesbian! drunkenness. That is what repentance is about. HELLO! if you don't want to let go of sin....Don't claim Christian. Just because Jesus loved sinners. Does not mean he loved the sin. That is why he loved them, to heal the sin and turn from sin. Gods last tear to spare sinners with Grace and Mercy. If your Gay and want to turn to Christ. To turn to Christ is to leave Gay.

[gibsongold1970]

did the LORD spare sodom and gommorah?

[lzlus]

@gibsongold1970 God destroy Sodom and Gomorrah. Their sin was so exceedingly grievous.

[LifterwiII]

@lzlus Ezekiel 16:49,50 .. Dont be so ignorant as to believe God destroyed Sodom for the reason of homosexuality

[lzlus]

@LifterwiII God destroyed them because their  wicked and exceedingly great sinners, included homosexual against the Lord. Gen 13:13, 18:2019:5.

[LifterwiII]

@lzlus Read Ezekiel 16:49,50 .. dont be a fundamentalist fool like Michael Brown is. Your comments about Sodom are stupid and unfounded.

[lzlus]

@LifterwiII It seems u ignore Gen 13:13, 18:20 & 19 v 4:5 >"Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.”

God destroyed them for their grievous sins included homosexuality. Rom 1:27 which says "the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another men with men.

[LifterwiII]

@lzlus It seems that you are incapable of quoting scripture .. go back and try again. And by the way .. did Moses use the Hebrew word for MALE there or the word for MANKIND/MORTAL? Dont insult me with your ignorance. Is there a reason why you just lifted that one verse of Romans TOTALLY out of it's context? Of whom was Paul writing in Romans 1? There is a right and a wrong answer.

[TheFurthertruth]

@LifterwiII 1Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

1Corinthians 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

[LifterwiII]

@TheFurthertruth Where in that list do you see anything even closely resembling "homosexual"? That is the problem I have with you people .. your superficial reading and flinging of "proof texts" when you don't have the least idea what the text is saying.

[TheFurthertruth]

@LifterwiII

Are you playing dumb ? What is written is so plain to you.

[LifterwiII]

@TheFurthertruth Of course I'm not playing dumb. I taught classes on the topic for a number of years, & at the risk of sounding arrogant, I have studied it far more than most people in this discussion, including Mr. Brown. Now .. rather than asking me if I am playing dumb, tell me which original Greek words are addressing homosexuality in that passage? The word Arsenokoites speaks of Pederasty (sexual child abuse) and Malakois (speaking of being morally soft .. or amoral).

[TheFurthertruth]

@LifterwiII A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee.

ONLY WITH THINE EYES SHALT THOU BEHOLD AND SEE THE REWARD OF THE WICKED.

Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation; There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling. Psalm 91.

[LifterwiII]

@TheFurthertruth And your point in quoting this passage of scripture is ,,,

[LifterwiII]

TheFurthertruth And your point in quoting this passage of scripture is?

[LifterwiII]

@gibsongold1970 The Lord did not spare Sodom and Gomorrah .. for the list of reasons given in Ezekiel 16:49,50. Sexuality of any kind had nothing to do with their destruction. The truth is .. people like Michael Brown are actually the ones guilty of the sin of Sodom .. not the gay people who you think are guilty. Read CAREFULLY. Also read Genesis 19 carefully especially vss 4,5 .. and tell me WHO was actually out in front of Lots house that night .. (clue: it wasn't just the men .....)

[Teachthecross]

What then, is the healing one might prescribe for the homosexual?

[joetrainer31]

1 Cor 6:9-10 & 1 Tim 1:1-11

[shakimaro]

hahahaha. i can't believe this guy. just goes to show that once you're blinded by religion your fucked forever. This guy is a Dr. and is supposed to be more informed about these things and religion still has him in denial. so sad.

[clay56]

Yes, "transformational inclusion" is an interesting term defining how Christ compassionately healed illness and showed tax collectors and prostitutes the error of their ways. Yet since there is nowhere in the Gospels He speaks of homosexuality, it is quite arguable this term may not at all apply to the topic of discussion.

[demcdoug]

@clay56 He did speak about fornication though. He was against it ...

[okorewq]

@clay56 What? Jesus will recognise homosexual "marriages" if your states legalise them? So, say hypothetically homosexuality is legalised by the whole country of the US. There would still be many countries that prohibit it. Would that mean that American homosexuals are accepted, while, say Iranian homosexuals are not, even if both believe similarly in God.

You need to realise that God does not follow the constitution of the US or any other country's for that matter to decide His righteousness.

[clay56]

"Jesus will recognise homosexual "marriages" if your states legalise them?"

It looks as if in your evident haste to respond, you skimmed a bit TOO quickly through my post. Again, since Christ stated nothing about sexaul relations within marriage, He just MAY recognize formal and informal marriages of either orientation. I agree that no nation's laws decide our Lord's will, neither neccessarily does the personal viewpoint of an indivdual persion nor that of any religous institution.

[MrNomatic]

@clay56 Because there is no where in the Gospels where He speaks of it does not mean the term does not apply to the topic of discussion. Everyone who accepts Christ agrees on transformational inclusion -that is we die to ourselves and are made alive in Christ and as we continually strive to live for Him and mature (emphasis's on continually strive to live for Him and His ways) we are being made Holy. Conforming to the will of God not our own will.

[clay56]

"Everyone who accepts Christ agrees on transformational inclusion -that is we die to ourselves and are made alive in Christ and as we continually strive to live for Him and mature (emphasis's on continually strive to live for Him and His ways) we are being made Holy. Conforming to the will of God not our own will."

Nicely put.

It is our Lord's will we strive to understand and follow. Many Christians have different ideas and beliefs as to precisely what His will is.

[MrNomatic]

@clay56 Yeah, many people do have different ideas and beliefs as to what His will is, and God intended it to be that way. He gave us freedom within His will. But the problem becomes when people try to make His will their will. However, it does not work that way. he gave us soo much freedom! He doesn't say "this is the way the Church service is suppose to go" or "the music must be..." But He says, "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, strength, mind and soul; and love your neighbor as

[clay56]

"But the problem becomes when people try to make His will their will."

And only HE can fully determine who is doing His will. I for one am optomistic about it all since even those Christians who are mistaken in their beliefs are in reach of forgiveness when they ask it for themselves and EACH OTHER.

[MrNomatic]

@clay56 yourself." Again, so much freedom! And we have the Holy Spirit to guide us; but there may be times when "we" want to do something and were not sure if its right or wrong, and when those times present itself we are to go to God's Word -His never changing Word. When we do that it will be clear. If it is not love, the way God intended, then don't do it, period. But many times we try to justify things and we make Jesus into "our imaginary" Jesus. Once we do that, we are deceived and we lost.

[clay56]

"If it is not love, the way God intended, then don't do it, period."

His intent upon which Christians differ is at the center of the debate.

"But many times we try to justify things and we make Jesus into "our imaginary" Jesus."

Agreed, the Bible has been used to justify slavery, gender and racial opression upon which many Christians had been certain Christ (at least as THEY knew Him) had mandated. It's why the opposition to homosexuality could be from one's OWN "imaginary Jesus.:"

[MrNomatic]

@clay56 Yes. Some people believe they can be a Christian and not Biblical. But a Christian must be a believer who searches the scripture seriously and carefully for the meaning of the Bible on its own, not changing its meaning for any reason. If not then we get "Christian Atheists" -People who say they believe in God but live as if He doesn't exist (that's a book by the way, and its really good).

[clay56]

"But a Christian must be a believer who searches the scripture seriously and carefully for the meaning of the Bible on its own, not changing its meaning for any reason."

It's not about any "changing" of meaning but of different interpetations among Christians which have existed from the dawn of Christianity.

"If not then we get "Christian Atheists" -People who say they believe in God but live as if He doesn't exist."

It's probably what the Catholics thought of the first Protestants.

[MrNomatic]

@clay56 Yeah you're right. I'm part of the Christian Church/Church of Christ denomination and there are other denomination within Christianity. There are other denominations, in which some, I do not agree with their doctrine but I still acknowledge them as Christians -Like Baptists, Pentecostal and so forth... SO to rephrase, I would say a Christian is a person who believes in Jesus Christ and lives for Him, according to His Word and guidance from the Holy Spirit to the best of their knowledge.

[clay56]

@MrNomatic

Well said!

[brizzoke]

I like the term "transformational inclusion." It is a good explanation of Jesus' ministry to the outcasts.