I was there for this!This was a life changing concert for me for a kidof age17.I have been playing drums now for 29yrs because of Steve Zimmerman.Mike Portnoy was there with my cousin from Mystery Play. Mike was an amazing drummer even then.Mikes band was called Majesty. His singer was Chris Collins at the time.Amazing how much time has went by.Truly a magical night at Sundance.I got to play this stage in years to come in a band called Wicked Sin.(myspace) I drum for Sensory Defect now(facebook)
JOHN ARCH WITH MORE HAIR!! ARCH/MATHEOS (2011) ALBUM IS NOW CONSIDERED BEST ALBUM OF THE YEAR!!! Metallica,Iron Maiden and all those other bands are trying hard to keep their noses above water,since their a dying breed.Then John Arch and Jim Matheos come along and finally puts all those old bands behind eating the dust with the ARCH/MATHEOS album...lol!!Lars Ulrich sucks at drums,can't even keep up with a simple guitar riff,trys to be progressive and throws the tempo and everyone else off..lol
@Methrt3, I would hope that many people would. While I was still in diapers when he was in Fates Warning (most of his reign anyway), I found them after and other than possibly the mighty Iron Maiden, they had to be the greatest thing going in the early-mid 80s. And I liked them after that too. Then more recently, we got the twist of fate ep and now Arch Matheos, which are both epic.
Two vocalists left the scene much before their time ... John Arch of FW and Michael Kiske of Helloween. Neither band has been the same ... and neither band could recapture the magic.
Does anyone know if this video is the same quality as the one that comes with the deluxe version of Awaken the Guardian? I've been thinking of buying it for the video but not sure if I wanna spend the money for such low quality.
@TheFirthof5th This is the same as the bonus tracks on the deluxe version of Awaken the Guardian. Back in the day you could only come across this audio through cassette trading. (yes, i'm that old) Unfortunately the quaity is terrible, but it has the immortal voice of John Arch. For those who never had th opportunity to be blessed by his voice in person, this is all that is available.
Few realize the impact John Arch and Awaken the Guardian had on the Scandinavian Black/Death Metal scene. The entire genre spawned from Awaken the Guardian ... from Dark Tranquillity, to In Flames, to Kalmah, etc, etc.
Horrible sound, but this song is pretty much in my top 5 of favorite songs I've ever heard anywhere by any band anytime in my entire life. Yes, it's THAT good!
Although ''No Exit'' has still some kind of thrashy/power metal kind of sound and Ray Alder on vocals, it was still pretty good. To me, the band basically died after that album. What a shame.
umm, dudes....i love early Fates with John Arch more than anyone....but Queensryche's first album came out in 1981...way before Fates came out....i love early QR and early Fates more than anything.
to end this debate, both bands formed in the early 80s, QR in 81 and FW in 83, both started off as kind of low rent Maiden clones until they established their own sound. For QR it wasn't really about being progressive per say, it was more songs, whereas after Awakening the Guardian and losing Arch, FW went further into prog territory while QR went more mainstream
Are you really saying Jethro Tull isn't prog? Wake up man. I agree it isn't prog "metal", but neither Rush nor Yes were. They were prog "rock". Jethro Tull is one of the most incredible prog bands ever. Prog has nothing to do with people singing high, and odd timings: that is just prog metal. Prog is about meaningful lyrics, experimentation, use of uncommon instruments, and innovation in general (so even odd timings are fine, but not a requisite).
btw... Fates Warning are amazing, and Arch is a true "monster". They lost a lot of their magic in the years, but still remain a good band, even with Alder on vocals (less metal and more melodic, but good nonetheless).
Too bad the sound isn't better because I missed out on this era of the band; and the crappy part is I was playing music at the time and would have LOVED to have heard this material back then. ;( It was those bad record covers that kept me from buying their records.
jethro tull did NOT invent anything other than dudes with fairy boots playing a flute, progressive rock was coined for and created upon the release of "In The Court Of The Crimson King", therefore if anyone was to take the term prog and attribute it "inventing" it as you say, it would be King Crimson in 1969
Progressive started at least in 1967. One of the first bands recognized for giving it birth is Procol Harum, with a Whiter Shade of Pale (title curiousingly similar to A Pleasant Shade of Grey by Fates Warning, isn' it?)
I happen to be lucky at a show in CT.. I believe it was the inside out tour where John Arch came on stage and sang Guardian along with Ray.. It was totally amazing!! John sounded great!!!
I missed this freakin' show to take the damned SAT back in 86. I never realized this was the last opportunity to see this great line-up. FW was never the same once John left.
Do you know whats a damn shame?theres not one website with any info on Sundance..No tribute page,nothing. I used to live there,lolWell,at leaast in the parking lot... I wish someone would set up a sundance tribute page and post loads of videos and pics
Sundance is reopening this fall in Rocky Point.Frank Cariola has a Sundance myspace page.Scan your old ticket stubs,Flyers,Setlists or print ads and send them to him for display.!!!Rock on.
I just got this double cd set - plus it came with a dvd of this concert. VERY COOL!!! I absolutely love awaken the guardian! I still have the cassette tape of it( a little worn out but still have it). My ipod is filled with this music, I LOVE IT!!!
I was a huge fan of this album. Actually, I had the cassette. I was a big Maiden fan and became a huge Fates Warning fan because of Arch. Then with No Exit, I was a little disappointed because Arch is sooo much better. Lots of memories with listening to Night on Brocken and Awaken the Guardian. I own the CD's now. Had to upgrade to the new technology to keep it in my library. I still listen to it today on my Ipod. Something to be said about Mr. Arch and his amazing voice.
Jon Arch and the Guardian album are both incredible, my favorites, but the albums production sucks and just about all live versions you see are with ghetto sound like this (still glad you posted it tho). Sad!
saw fates many times, only with ray alder, but was fortunate enough to see them in 94 in connecticut when john arch joined them for a couple of tunes..love their music, with both singers, and actually wish frank aresti were back with them.
The only term I could possibly think of to describe Fates Warning with Arch is Regal Metal....without him? NO WAYYYYYY
Also I have a handwritten letter of Arch explaining why he left FW but part of the reason WAS becuz he had to work too much..if anyone wants to see it e-mail me on here...
I hope you know about his Solo album from a few years ago :) Its nice to see a fellow Arch fan with much enthusiasm :D please visit my friends at Progulus. c o m, Lots of Prog Rock/Metal to be found there. FW rules! -MAVIII
The Guradian Album start to finish is absolutely incredible... I just (finally converted) from cassette versions of the album to a CD version... it was like 4.96 at Amazon... blown away... one of the absolute best albums of the 80's and least known. John Arch was soooo incredible. When he left, my interest left.
Well...I love all Fates Warning's cds, but it's obvious that John Arch added something very special to the group....just like Mark Zonder did when he arrived...
Gret way to start off a discussion, "dumbass". Knowing how to spell the members names doens't make you the biggest fan, it just makes you look petty if thats what you fixate on.
I used to think Bruce Dickinson was the best singer ever by far... then I discovered John Arch and Fates Warning. Don't get me wrong, Bruce, Rob, Ralf Scheepers... they are great, but none of them is as complete as John is, both in terms of composition and singing. What a pity FW forced him out, things with Alder were not the same. They still sounded good, but John gave them something especial.
I wrote that FW forced him out because I read an interview where he explained what happened. Have a look for the full interview in fateswarning dot com slash arch (this site does not allow to put url sites so I have to write it like this)
This is an extract: "So I guess where that led me--I was given an ultimatum by the band. [...]"Well, I guess it's unanimous, the band feels that they're going to start lookin' for another singer," and I was blown off my rocker."
this is the show that comes with the "awaken the guardian" 3 disc set. this is the only video footage available of john arch & fates from this time period. they also do a killer version of black sabbath's "die young" from the same show.
Sholtzs rockman was crap...demolished the tonality and natural timber of the instrument..made it impossible to mic effectively..too much distortion and too much high mids..
John Arch was an amazing vocalist, at least in the studio. Live he is not quite up to his studio ability, in my opinion (based upon videos). He remains my favorite vocalist based upon his work on "The Spectre Within" and "Awaken the Guardian" albums. I especially love "The Apparition" and "Giant's Lore," respectively.
Thanks for the video. Wish the camera wouldn't have focused so much on the acoustic guitar during the verses though, since they just seemed to be building an atmospheric rhythm.
too much treble is an understatement..damn rockmans....worst piece of shit guitar processor ever built. The guitar tones were as thin as paper and shrill enough to cut through glass...impossible to mic effectivley..
Any one know why Arch left??
TheHowkwind 1 month ago
I was there for this!This was a life changing concert for me for a kidof age17.I have been playing drums now for 29yrs because of Steve Zimmerman.Mike Portnoy was there with my cousin from Mystery Play. Mike was an amazing drummer even then.Mikes band was called Majesty. His singer was Chris Collins at the time.Amazing how much time has went by.Truly a magical night at Sundance.I got to play this stage in years to come in a band called Wicked Sin.(myspace) I drum for Sensory Defect now(facebook)
ozz3d 2 months ago in playlist FATES WARNING
JOHN ARCH WITH MORE HAIR!! ARCH/MATHEOS (2011) ALBUM IS NOW CONSIDERED BEST ALBUM OF THE YEAR!!! Metallica,Iron Maiden and all those other bands are trying hard to keep their noses above water,since their a dying breed.Then John Arch and Jim Matheos come along and finally puts all those old bands behind eating the dust with the ARCH/MATHEOS album...lol!!Lars Ulrich sucks at drums,can't even keep up with a simple guitar riff,trys to be progressive and throws the tempo and everyone else off..lol
jackmarsilva 3 months ago
He sings it better than the album version!
ReturnToForever666 3 months ago
It's amazing how many people remember John Arch, he's got quite the cult following.
Methrt3 5 months ago
@Methrt3, I would hope that many people would. While I was still in diapers when he was in Fates Warning (most of his reign anyway), I found them after and other than possibly the mighty Iron Maiden, they had to be the greatest thing going in the early-mid 80s. And I liked them after that too. Then more recently, we got the twist of fate ep and now Arch Matheos, which are both epic.
shred5 4 months ago
what happen to John Arch?, who's a great singer powerful pinch coming out vocal
eugvh18 6 months ago
@eugvh18 John Arch and Jim Matheos (along with the rest of Fates Warning minus Ray Alder) are going to release a new album very soon. :D
charlesandhisworld 6 months ago
@charlesandhisworld oh great thanks for information, i'am looking forward to it
excited yes indeed
eugvh18 6 months ago
@charlesandhisworld, it's out now, and it's awesome
shred5 4 months ago
omg!!!!!! could cry .... great............
levanah1509 7 months ago
still very cool to see old FW footage...LOL brings back lots of memories....yes I'm that old too...LOL
Musiclogic 9 months ago
Arch/ Matheos look it up
amazing news!!!! they pretty much finished recorded an album. just gotta wait for finishing touches.
ps. i kid you not. google is your friend
RoccoMATION 10 months ago
@RoccoMATION, the Arch/Matheos album is out and it kicks ass!
shred5 4 months ago 2
John Maurice Archambault!
toecutterr6 10 months ago
Sundance ftw :-p
liquifex 1 year ago
If I believe in God, I would pray everyday for better quality of this recording ...
NastyProgger 1 year ago 6
Omg you really have to hear well and not be overreactive to highpitches to apreciat this recording, bah.....
Kolenschopper 1 year ago 2
Is that Vic Arduinni on guitar??
halford3256 1 year ago
Two vocalists left the scene much before their time ... John Arch of FW and Michael Kiske of Helloween. Neither band has been the same ... and neither band could recapture the magic.
PhoenixJasmine 1 year ago 6
Bad sound quality or not, John Arch sends fucking chills down my spine. This is ridiculously good.
nerothos 1 year ago
Fuckin Sundance baby. What a hole that place was. This video is awesome though. FW rules.
fiveortenbren 1 year ago 2
Does anyone know if this video is the same quality as the one that comes with the deluxe version of Awaken the Guardian? I've been thinking of buying it for the video but not sure if I wanna spend the money for such low quality.
TheFirthof5th 1 year ago
@TheFirthof5th This is the same as the bonus tracks on the deluxe version of Awaken the Guardian. Back in the day you could only come across this audio through cassette trading. (yes, i'm that old) Unfortunately the quaity is terrible, but it has the immortal voice of John Arch. For those who never had th opportunity to be blessed by his voice in person, this is all that is available.
metalmadajax 1 year ago
Just have to wonder how far they could have gone with Arch....he is incredible!
monaroq 1 year ago
Wow, just looked back at my old comment. I sounded like a Mexican immigrant.
Anyway, yes the quality is that bad.
DrVelvetProductions 1 year ago
i remember this. i was standing next to mike portnoy the whole time. who knew what he would become
fireguye4 2 years ago 14
@fireguye4 that is a great story to have under your belt,,,awesome
jdu6 4 months ago
legend
rgh97 2 years ago
I like how the audience has no idea what's going on...Guardian is difficult to head-bang to.
dreambrother2002 2 years ago 3
I don't think this sounds THAT bad.
I've heard better recordings, but I've also heard worse....much worse
diamondbanger87 2 years ago 2
This unlistenable.
DrVelvetProductions 2 years ago
Few realize the impact John Arch and Awaken the Guardian had on the Scandinavian Black/Death Metal scene. The entire genre spawned from Awaken the Guardian ... from Dark Tranquillity, to In Flames, to Kalmah, etc, etc.
PhoenixJasmine 2 years ago
Horrible sound, but this song is pretty much in my top 5 of favorite songs I've ever heard anywhere by any band anytime in my entire life. Yes, it's THAT good!
wikuk 2 years ago 3
This album was the second best metal album ever behind night on broken which I still have with all the scratches, skips and all. :D
samhain1967 2 years ago
Now playing in SublimeMusicTV youtube channel
SublimeMusicTV 2 years ago
I was at this show!
ShieldAxe 2 years ago
Who's bitchin' about Tull? Listen..Tull is one of the greatest bands to ever walk the earth...if you can't appreciate that then just give it up!!!
mfeugene 2 years ago
Although ''No Exit'' has still some kind of thrashy/power metal kind of sound and Ray Alder on vocals, it was still pretty good. To me, the band basically died after that album. What a shame.
calastiur 2 years ago
John Arch is the BEST EVER.
nathantim 2 years ago 12
Absolutely! After John Arch, their music became verrry boring & predictable. So sad...
delineater 2 years ago 2
@nathantim YES He was!
ggirl911 9 months ago
umm, dudes....i love early Fates with John Arch more than anyone....but Queensryche's first album came out in 1981...way before Fates came out....i love early QR and early Fates more than anything.
nathantim 2 years ago
Jethro Tull Prog metal? I guess you voted for them for the 89' Grammy's instead of Metallica? Yes and Rush are prog, Jethro Tull...not so much.
Fates were doing prog METAL way before Queensryche.
recordlabelmusic 2 years ago
to end this debate, both bands formed in the early 80s, QR in 81 and FW in 83, both started off as kind of low rent Maiden clones until they established their own sound. For QR it wasn't really about being progressive per say, it was more songs, whereas after Awakening the Guardian and losing Arch, FW went further into prog territory while QR went more mainstream
miser42 2 years ago
Are you really saying Jethro Tull isn't prog? Wake up man. I agree it isn't prog "metal", but neither Rush nor Yes were. They were prog "rock". Jethro Tull is one of the most incredible prog bands ever. Prog has nothing to do with people singing high, and odd timings: that is just prog metal. Prog is about meaningful lyrics, experimentation, use of uncommon instruments, and innovation in general (so even odd timings are fine, but not a requisite).
Abisso666 2 years ago 3
btw... Fates Warning are amazing, and Arch is a true "monster". They lost a lot of their magic in the years, but still remain a good band, even with Alder on vocals (less metal and more melodic, but good nonetheless).
Abisso666 2 years ago
I love QR and Fates, but Fates was doing this before QR was.
saunders2112 2 years ago
ah gotta love the 80's
guitarTy345 2 years ago
no doubt, what an amazing band John Arch is amazing.
Triththaus 2 years ago
these guys are great, and pretty unknown these days
DeathRiderDoom 2 years ago 2
Too bad the sound isn't better because I missed out on this era of the band; and the crappy part is I was playing music at the time and would have LOVED to have heard this material back then. ;( It was those bad record covers that kept me from buying their records.
thorfinnhrolf 2 years ago
the band I played with in the 80s was supposed to open for them on this tour but they canceled 4 days before due to poor ticket sales
miser42 2 years ago
Awaken the guardian, what an album..thanks for this.
swedis2 2 years ago 2
Fates Warning invented prog metal. Look at all the thanks they get on early Dream Theater album credits. I hope that someday they get their due.
recordlabelmusic 2 years ago
no im sorry. Queensrych was closer to inventing it than them. Listen to their album, "The Warning". and jethro tull invented prog. FYI
guitarTy345 2 years ago
hhmmm... prolly a stupid comment by me... jethro tull was kind of a diffrent kind of prog...
guitarTy345 2 years ago
jethro tull did NOT invent anything other than dudes with fairy boots playing a flute, progressive rock was coined for and created upon the release of "In The Court Of The Crimson King", therefore if anyone was to take the term prog and attribute it "inventing" it as you say, it would be King Crimson in 1969
miser42 2 years ago 2
haha. I stand corrected
guitarTy345 2 years ago
Progressive started at least in 1967. One of the first bands recognized for giving it birth is Procol Harum, with a Whiter Shade of Pale (title curiousingly similar to A Pleasant Shade of Grey by Fates Warning, isn' it?)
Abisso666 2 years ago
One of the best underrated bands of all time playing one of their best songs live. This video is ftw.
TimelessWinter89 2 years ago 3
Check out Vic the original Guitar player for Fates playing bass with Ct band Sinis Gally in the 80s.
Just type sinisgally
Its at the allycat in CT in 1988
batman064 2 years ago
Fates warning are the best.
MoonlitKnight91 2 years ago
John Arch > [insert vocalist here]
metallicafan32 2 years ago 2
Damn this rules!!! If only they'd stuck with this style in stead of ditching the power metal influences as they did on their later albums.
infernicide666 3 years ago
AMAZING!!!!!
xrottenrudyx 3 years ago
I was at this show...great show,miss those days.
harleyriderny 3 years ago
One of the best underrated 80's Metal songs. Part ballad,part Prog-part Metal.All together Awesome.
cordovaone 3 years ago
this is LEGEND !!!!!!!!!!
mostharda 3 years ago
this was sundance on long island. played there myself in early 90's. also worked security sometimes.. yeah they re-opened in oct in rocky point.
duufus69 3 years ago
I havent heard this stuff in year..great post,thanks!!
Billyshootz 3 years ago
I happen to be lucky at a show in CT.. I believe it was the inside out tour where John Arch came on stage and sang Guardian along with Ray.. It was totally amazing!! John sounded great!!!
BurnToMyTouch 3 years ago
You aint kidding man,that actually to this day was the best thing I ever heard,and I hear theres a audio copy that one of the road crew has
DiBiasehere 1 year ago
I missed this freakin' show to take the damned SAT back in 86. I never realized this was the last opportunity to see this great line-up. FW was never the same once John left.
PhoenixJasmine 3 years ago
The first 3 albums are the best of Fates Warning. After then they turned annoying
fbhn 3 years ago
awesome
rfx94 3 years ago
fuckin amazing song!
brucetheking 3 years ago
John Arch rocked, awesome voice.
rasberigirl 3 years ago 2
I heard Sundance is reopening in Rocky Point this fall.
Agamemnon999 3 years ago
22 years ago!!!! Shit i'm getting old. But i still love metal!!!!
gbruceisgod 3 years ago 3
buy that double disk set with old demos, live songs, and the other cd is a dvd with this whole show....its totally worth it.
nathantim 3 years ago
I was actually at this show at sundance, and hung out next to mike portnoy and had no clue. what a great show this was
fireguye4 3 years ago
I sure do remember this show
hadd13 3 years ago
At the end John says to the audience: "this one here is called PRELUDE TO RUIN..."
Someone upload the entire show PLEASE....
Prosciutto14 3 years ago
That's Jon Arch? He's incredible. there was somethin' special about that band when he was in it.
Prelude to ruin rules!!!!
SousSherpa 2 years ago
awesome
batman064 2 years ago
Terrible sound quality but who cares.......
It's Fates Warning with John Arch LIVE!!!
I wish the entire gig was uploaded...
Prosciutto14 3 years ago
Do you know whats a damn shame?theres not one website with any info on Sundance..No tribute page,nothing. I used to live there,lolWell,at leaast in the parking lot... I wish someone would set up a sundance tribute page and post loads of videos and pics
legolas11795 4 years ago
sundance was awesome. was in many a mosh pit there. ( grew up in seaford )
ras124 3 years ago
broke many a bone there. best show. slayer,exodus and celtic frost
fireguye4 3 years ago
Sundance is reopening this fall in Rocky Point.Frank Cariola has a Sundance myspace page.Scan your old ticket stubs,Flyers,Setlists or print ads and send them to him for display.!!!Rock on.
RobManDudeGuy1 3 years ago
Holy Shit, I think I was there
Guitarwannabee 4 years ago
Holy Shit, I think you were!, and Man were you WASTED! LOL
Old Fates Warning with John Arch RULES!
"Awaken the Guardian" and "The Spectre Within" are 2 GREAT Albums!
removetube 4 years ago
tell ya what, If I were there & I think I was, I'll bet the farm I was wasted
Guitarwannabee 4 years ago 2
I just got this double cd set - plus it came with a dvd of this concert. VERY COOL!!! I absolutely love awaken the guardian! I still have the cassette tape of it( a little worn out but still have it). My ipod is filled with this music, I LOVE IT!!!
rpwheels68 4 years ago
i was there>>>>>> sundance in bayshore. Mike portnoy is in the audience
fireguye4 4 years ago
i need this footage
DreadedEd 4 years ago
Great Song from the Best Fates Warning Era!I'm still a huge fan of their first 3 albums!Arch Rules!!!
Saltas21 4 years ago
I was a huge fan of this album. Actually, I had the cassette. I was a big Maiden fan and became a huge Fates Warning fan because of Arch. Then with No Exit, I was a little disappointed because Arch is sooo much better. Lots of memories with listening to Night on Brocken and Awaken the Guardian. I own the CD's now. Had to upgrade to the new technology to keep it in my library. I still listen to it today on my Ipod. Something to be said about Mr. Arch and his amazing voice.
SophieRosesMom06 4 years ago
maiden is the best dude
rfx94 3 years ago
Awaken the Guardian is one of the best recordings of all time...
enemencio123music 4 years ago 2
Amen to that!!!!!!!!!!
lucifugorofocale1 4 years ago
Jon Arch and the Guardian album are both incredible, my favorites, but the albums production sucks and just about all live versions you see are with ghetto sound like this (still glad you posted it tho). Sad!
maofas 4 years ago 2
Check out the 2 disc remastered edition of Awaken The Guardian - vastly improved sound quality, highly recommended!
urizen123 4 years ago
I actually did pick that up, and the raw demo/live tracks on disc 2 are awesome. The live Fata Morgana is great and the cover of Die Young is fun.
maofas 4 years ago
JOHN ARCH
Fates Warning to me is the best
teastofdeath 4 years ago
saw fates many times, only with ray alder, but was fortunate enough to see them in 94 in connecticut when john arch joined them for a couple of tunes..love their music, with both singers, and actually wish frank aresti were back with them.
papimux 4 years ago
Mr. fucking John Arch
where are you?????? :'(
Love to all here who say he is the best
The only term I could possibly think of to describe Fates Warning with Arch is Regal Metal....without him? NO WAYYYYYY
Also I have a handwritten letter of Arch explaining why he left FW but part of the reason WAS becuz he had to work too much..if anyone wants to see it e-mail me on here...
Much Love to this line-up of Fates<4
shredtastik 4 years ago 3
I hope you know about his Solo album from a few years ago :) Its nice to see a fellow Arch fan with much enthusiasm :D please visit my friends at Progulus. c o m, Lots of Prog Rock/Metal to be found there. FW rules! -MAVIII
mavartworx 4 years ago
im related to jim, maybe,i just think it's cool because he's a really good guitarist.
Shun101010 4 years ago
Ouch... my ears are bleeding...! This sound really cuts through :)
QuirinusLaurelin 4 years ago
This was the stuff... damn i miss these days.
dwarvenforge 4 years ago
The Guradian Album start to finish is absolutely incredible... I just (finally converted) from cassette versions of the album to a CD version... it was like 4.96 at Amazon... blown away... one of the absolute best albums of the 80's and least known. John Arch was soooo incredible. When he left, my interest left.
Grumplestilskinn 4 years ago
Allthow Ray is my favorite singer, John Arch voice is better for Fates music....
tlensen 4 years ago
Very cool. he sound quality is not so good, but it's cool just to see that lineup with Arch, Aresti, ect...
ProgShred 4 years ago
John did leave the band But my cuz got the boot
hadd13 4 years ago
great rare 80's footage of The Guardian
whorethrower 4 years ago
John Arch is God! He had some much heart. I saw them on this tour. Awesome! FW was never the same for me after he left.
Umlauta 4 years ago
Well...I love all Fates Warning's cds, but it's obvious that John Arch added something very special to the group....just like Mark Zonder did when he arrived...
petethesinner 4 years ago
Holy shit this guy can wail. I had no idea his live work was this great. Awaken is in my top fav albums of all time, Arch is a metal legend!!
monaroq 4 years ago
Gret way to start off a discussion, "dumbass". Knowing how to spell the members names doens't make you the biggest fan, it just makes you look petty if thats what you fixate on.
Anjohl 4 years ago
Geoff Tate, Warren Dane, etc..are great high-pitched singers. Oh, and Messiah.
Anjohl 4 years ago
dumbass, it's Warrel, not warren rofl, and add James Labrie to the top list of vocalists
nympho00 4 years ago
Don't sleep on Robert Lowe of Solitude Aeturnus either, but Arch was something else.
RalonzoP 4 years ago
I used to think Bruce Dickinson was the best singer ever by far... then I discovered John Arch and Fates Warning. Don't get me wrong, Bruce, Rob, Ralf Scheepers... they are great, but none of them is as complete as John is, both in terms of composition and singing. What a pity FW forced him out, things with Alder were not the same. They still sounded good, but John gave them something especial.
bunsendickinson 4 years ago
"What a pity FW forced him out"
??? I thought John chose to leave the band so that he could become a carpenter and be closer to his family.
livgrnfan 4 years ago
I wrote that FW forced him out because I read an interview where he explained what happened. Have a look for the full interview in fateswarning dot com slash arch (this site does not allow to put url sites so I have to write it like this)
This is an extract: "So I guess where that led me--I was given an ultimatum by the band. [...]"Well, I guess it's unanimous, the band feels that they're going to start lookin' for another singer," and I was blown off my rocker."
bunsendickinson 4 years ago
You are correct. I met him at a later Fates show, and he confirmed this
AssyMcDoodle 4 years ago
John Arch is a pretty cool guy. I had a chance to work with him in 1993 when he was out of music.
pluoticus 4 years ago
this is the show that comes with the "awaken the guardian" 3 disc set. this is the only video footage available of john arch & fates from this time period. they also do a killer version of black sabbath's "die young" from the same show.
voivodness 4 years ago
Scholz's Rockman was Good.
Too Bad sound was off.
This Band is one of the all time best.
ommmonet 4 years ago
Sholtzs rockman was crap...demolished the tonality and natural timber of the instrument..made it impossible to mic effectively..too much distortion and too much high mids..
fella77 4 years ago
LOL
ommmonet 4 years ago
The 'Twist of Fate' album John Arch did in 2003 is awesome. He's still got the voice.
Bifrons 5 years ago
Yeah, Alder was great, but nothing was ever as good as Arch on Traveller In Time and the rest of 'Spectre'. Where do we get this whole show!?!
therealhitman 5 years ago
John Arch is an amazing songwriter. I was pretty much done with FW after Arch left.
jeffmara 5 years ago
John Arch was an amazing vocalist, at least in the studio. Live he is not quite up to his studio ability, in my opinion (based upon videos). He remains my favorite vocalist based upon his work on "The Spectre Within" and "Awaken the Guardian" albums. I especially love "The Apparition" and "Giant's Lore," respectively.
sjsongs 5 years ago
He sounds pretty good to me on this low quality recording. Fates Warnings biggest mistake was getting rid of hiim.
jeffmara 5 years ago
Thanks for the video. Wish the camera wouldn't have focused so much on the acoustic guitar during the verses though, since they just seemed to be building an atmospheric rhythm.
livgrnfan 5 years ago
John Arch is my favorite metal singer of all time. This video only reinforces that feeling. I love Alder too, but he and Arch are very different.
bigcbigc 5 years ago
too much treble is an understatement..damn rockmans....worst piece of shit guitar processor ever built. The guitar tones were as thin as paper and shrill enough to cut through glass...impossible to mic effectivley..
fella77 5 years ago
oh my
hadd13 5 years ago
lol i have this DVD as well they got too much dam treble in this but john arch is a legend
mattszabo 5 years ago