Tai Chi Wrestling

[jhimm]

ITT: Silly people who think that taiji is about fighting and combat. Taiji is the art of NOT fighting in the midst of combat. There is no need to distract, to use force, to use speed, to focus on techniques/forms or to "shock" or "lock" anyone. All that is required is that you receive the energy coming to you safely, and then return it to the person who has lent it to you with a bit of interest. If you genuinely understand taiji principles, none of what you all are discussing is at all relevant.

[Jucudeno]

It is simple...you need what you need. The physics and principles are sound, if your opponent gives you the opening while attacking, it is done. To not know it is to miss the opportunity, an opportunity your opponent may know. Notice half of these are lower body sweeps as in judo. Having his arm is secondary and often during an attack is natural from the blocking position. Your opponent may strike twice and attempt to grab, surely if he's open to a strike, strike him. Situational

[1465225568]

Jwing-Ming Yang is the man!!!!

[bigrobnz]

great moves! tks for posting

[soleris12345]

imagine if cage fighters new tai chi, that would be worth watching

[southpawami]

Makes sense... Punching, Kicking, Subduing(chin na), Wrestling in every martial art. Dr Jwing Ming may not be as good taiji wrestling as his is at chin na, but since he's one of the few than knows how to do it(that can speak fluent English)... it's certainly worth watching.

Besides, maybe most of you don't realize it, but those techniques would hurt even if you didn't pull them off perfectly.

How many other people have shown that they have a full comprehension of this art? Not very many.

[NewZealfighter]

agree with you totally,you said it perfectly

[wannabeebee]

Dr Jwing Ming has some good techniques and he is one of the few that has dedicated his self to his art. He isnt however showing the brutal applications that the techniques can be used for.

Also he isnt using defence against street fighting techniques.

[mazdaplz]

truth is you are no martial arts expert or you wouldn't be a ghost account. from what i could gather you are more like a starvin marvin from the virgin islands. stop your delusions of grandeur

[Ryooken]

What's a street fighting technique? I am just curious. I hear this line all the time and I see the lack of understanding all the way around. What you need to talk about is how effective the technique is when it's used on a punch or a kick. A person who fights on the street still uses punches or kicks. That doesn't change. What does is the combinations that he or she uses.

[Ryooken]

Tai Chi has been used in war, so the idea that in a real life situation it's useless is laughable. The bottom line is whether the person can use his or her skills effectively in defense against an attacker while keep the spirit of Tai Chi principles in the forefront.

[wannabeebee]

person who fights on the street still uses punches or kicks

ANSWER.

Not always. Punches and kicks arent always the only thing used in street fighting. Most martial arts teachers dont look in to the past of their arts for fighting techniques. Okinawan karate does relate to some although it is an intense study and they tend to shy away from it.

[wannabeebee]

laughable

answer

what would be laughable would be the fact that hard core fighting techniques will be in an art somewhere and forgotten.

The practioner then comes up against a hard core street fighter and loses.

and

aFTER ALL that training so I wouldnt dissmiss street fighters

I mean you can if you want to but your choice

[wannabeebee]

while I can the uses that this method of using tai chi has sadly the teacher has little idea of a good street fighter or if he has he isnt showing it.

I will bet the techniques used on the street were used in warfare therefore should be in tai chi but the solutions are lost.

[Ryooken]

Combat is combat. This silly talk about street fighters being some superhuman fighter is nonsense. The bottom line is that there are only so many ways someone can punch or kick. Combat skills are based on two things skill and effectiveness. You are saying these techniques are ineffective against a battle hardened fighter and I will tell you if you feel that way then go an challenge someone with these skills.

[Ryooken]

Be careful whom you challenge. The last time this happened it was one of my tai chi brothers that were challenged and the person found themselves upside down thinking the floor was the ceiling.

[wannabeebee]

being some superhuman

Answer.

I dont recall saying they were.

Statement

. The last time this happened it was one of my tai chi brothers

Answer.

Stick a video up and let me see them.

Like I said, martial arts can be watered down.

If Mr Lee isnt showing the realistic stuff for his own reasons that is fine.

[wannabeebee]

Combat skills

Answer

(1)Tell me more about what you think are combat skills

(2) Where and how did you use them

(3) What were the results of what you did.

Otherwise I dont think you have a clue,

[wannabeebee]

Statement.

go an challenge someone with these skills.

Answer.

How do you know that I dont have simular skills?

.25 is found in a lot of arts.

So basicaly you dont have a clue.

Do you even train?

[Ryooken]

LOL!!!! You are amazing? I don't care what skills you think you have or don't nor will I waste time debating this issue as you clearly didn't understand what I said. If you think that Tai Chi isn't effective, go and test your theory on someone who knows stop wasting time trying to argue something you can't. I have trained and form many years taught but that's irrelevant, what is relavent is if you want to know if Tai Chi works, go and challenge those who do it and see what happens.

[wannabeebee]

there are only so many ways someone can punch or kick.

Answer.

With that statement you are showing that you dont know much about fighting.

MY unanswered Statement.

hard core fighting techniques will be in an art somewhere and forgotten.

No response so you dont have a clue.

[kempobrad]

every technique has its place. and while i don't think everything works, most things can work in their place. one problem i think is that ppl don't understand chin na is just a part of the arts, and are to be used in conjunction with everything else, not simply, catch a punch and put on a wrist lock.

[Ryooken]

That depends on the situation. Aikido for example, is a system devoted to Chin'na. There are very few systems that choose to specialize in certain techniques and philosophies. Martial Arts like medicine have your generalists and your specialists. Chin'na is a specialist art, you have to be extremely good at using it to make it effective enough to apply universally. Everyone can't do it that way so this is why you have more generalists.

[kempobrad]

to be fair, aikido contains both joint locks and throws, so it is both shuay and chin na (though personally i believe it has little actual influence from chinese arts). it's also very hard to make work because there is no striking involved. i never met anyone who could really catch a punch, at least not with any kind of regularity.

[Ryooken]

Remember that most throws are joint locks. The reason you haven't met anyone that can catch a punch is because they don't practice. You see the more sophisticated a martial arts the longer it takes to become efficient using the techniques. Most people stop at the basics, they don't go beyond those basics to really excel in the arts. This is a common problem this is why the basic combats skills seem to equal the more advance combat systems. It's a matter of skill and who has it.

[kempobrad]

most throws are joint locks? lol how is a hip throw a joint lock? ..in my experience if someone can catch your punch, you're punching wrong, or letting them do it. sorry, i respect your opinion, but i just don't buy it. im not saying it cant happen, i've done it a few times, but i've yet to see someone who can do it regularly at will. then again, it'd be alot easier against some jack*ss who doesnt know how to hit i suppose

[Ryooken]

Simple throws work by bending one part of the body while extending the other. This is how chin'na works. Like I said before it depends on your skill level and the basics of your understanding. You are making a mistake. You are focusing on catching punches instead of meeting the arms. Catching a punch is like catching chickens, sometimes yes sometimes no. continued

[Ryooken]

Trying to catch a puch because you are working with such a small area you need a certain amount of speed to accomplish the lock. However, if you meet the hand or any part of the body instead of trying to grab the hand you will be more sucessful. You really have to learn how to examine the direction an attack is going. A punch is just an arm attached to a fist. If you look at the arm then you understand the fist. I know it sounds cryptic but practice it for a while and you will understand.

[kempobrad]

doesn't sound cryptic. its just like looking down the shaft of a spear, rather than concentrating on the tip.

[Ryooken]

It's a little deeper than just that. It's not just about concentrating but learning how to meet the spear on the shaft without stopping it's movement then sliding you hand where you want to apply the technique. You are looking at the wrist circle chin'na to the left or right but not looking at the chin'na as it's applied forward and backward. Chin'na work in 360 all over the body.

[kempobrad]

i'm making no mistake. its painfully obvious you never try to catch the wrist, or for example the knife. you go for the arm. but as you said...its iffy at best...ie...low percentage of success. which is exactly what i said. noone can do it with any sort of regularity.

[Ryooken]

Yes, I have used chin'na on people with knives, sticks, not swords though, and with fists. It really depends on how you apply the technique, any part of the body can be locked. You can chin'na the elbow joint as effectively as the wrist joint with greater control over the body. Also you have to look at chin'na more than just one dimentionally.

[Ryooken]

for example I might not attack the wrist of an opponent with a knife when the knife is down but I might use a chin'na to circle behind the fist of a knife facing up. Alot of these techniques depend on coordinationation. and not just speed.

[kempobrad]

IMO and experience they depend more on a distraction. rather than just trying to catch or meet the arm..hit em. distract them for a second or two and it's much much easier to get your joint locks to work.

[Ryooken]

That's part of it but it's not all about distraction. It's a combination depending on the skill of the opponent.

[kempobrad]

in practice or for real? lol the problem with most of the chin na/jujutsu that i've seen is that nobody really attacks the way they do in class. it's usually short quick thrusts at multiple angles for example when it's a knife. not a big lunging, telegraphing step and kiai followed by an extremely overcommited attack. its easy to catch those.

[Ryooken]

You are right. It's not like the old days. Combat has gotten a little more sophisticated. However, it still doesn't take much to take those guys out either. the circles must be shorter and remember something about chin'na when done at relative slow speeds, they are used for control, in real situations they are used for breaking.

[kempobrad]

but that does you no good if you cant catch his arm. that is my point. it's alot easier said than done. people spend way too much time on the techniques and not enough time on getting into position for said technique. the wrist lock is easy IF you can catch his arm first. its about distraction and entry for me regardless of the attack. even against a lapel grab for example hit em first. one sensei i know says "shock em to lock em"because he's not just gonna stand there and let you do your stuff.

[galimos]

That last move he does at 0:59 is from 38 frame, which looks more of a "flow" technique than the tai chi wrestling moves he was demonstrating.

[qiankundanuoyi1]

it doesn't work is bcause there is one element missing,which is the qi and the jing,whichs makes them effective in anyway.

[qiankundanuoyi1]

but this is not the true aspect of taijigong. though it works,but it doesn't work on a true taijigong master. u can't even move one. even if it's an old master,say 90 years old.

[nosouthwest]

I hope this guy doesn't represent shuai jiao because it isn't very good at all. He authors lots of books and videos, and my impression is that he is just making money.

[streetkunedo]

Yea these techniques are practiced by Hong Kong police, and trust me they work.

[wannabeebee]

They wouldnt work against an expereinced street fighter the way they are shown.

The way this is trained isnt realistic enough.

I dont deny in this art there are techniques that would work.

But not the way they are trained on here.

[taijihitman]

what would you know?

[wannabeebee]

what would you know?

Answer.

The very fact that you ask me that question indicates YOU DONT HAVE A CLUE.

If you had you would point out where the guy is wide open.

So tell me where is the guy wide open and to which street fighting technique?

Otherwise dont waste my time.

[mazdaplz]

you don't know shit wannabeebee that's the real answer i am tired of seeing you troll every martial art video ever. i can make a list of all the videos you have trolled by either harrassing atheists or posting religious rants that made no sense in legitimate science related videos

[wannabeebee]

The uses of Tai Chi Chuan??

You are kidding right??

So this is what you practice and you think it will work against a good street fighter?

Dream world dude. Many have dreamt.

[skummer1971]

I'm happy that more people are demonstrating the wrestling aspect of tai chi as of late. As a practitioner of tai chi, judo, and bjj, I can say with absolute certainty that many of the shuai techniques of tai chi & shuai jiao work just fine... But only if trained properly with resistance; that's the key that many CMA people seem to be missing. Forms and push hands alone simply won't develop the requisite skills required to apply technique on a fully resisting opponent.

[LawDescendant]

Skummer the WHOLE point is that the more you resist the more control I have.I WISH you would resist me in a sparring match cause once I feel where your tension and root is your mine period.Without root you have no power and if you resist you give up your root.You obviously have never trained soft style.Please dont post your hard philosophy on a soft style thread you only detriment yourself.

[skummer1971]

I think you misunderstood what I said. By resistance I mean sparring with someone who is actually fighting back as opposed to compliant drilling.

[dtwtan]

very good point! That applies to every aspect of martial arts, including weapons training.

[DJFistOfCurry]

lol and those BJJ guys think that Kung Fu and other styles don't have grappling or wrestling techniques...this vid proves them wrong.

[superiorsantateresa]

It was probed in battlefields i think, sonic0413.

[LFJ]

shuijiao means to sleep...

its shuai, man.. lol

[Indra420]

the simple answer is that many people all over the world KNOW for sure that it DOES work. For a better answer, I think you should find a good teacher and try it out for yourself. Thats the inly way you'll ever have a chance to know for real

[Indra420]

shuai jiao is its own complete martial system, in fact probably the oldest complete Kung fu style known in China... Taijiquan has many techniues which involve "Shuai" but, the two systems are distinctly different, with totally different training methods from stances to footwork to application. There have been acouple of masters in history who practiced both, however... BADASSES :)

[masterfujin]

Well put. Shuai Jiao is a complete martial art utilizing the skills of punching, kicking, locking...with a special emphasis on throwing. Other arts have "shuai" (throwing) techniques, but not Shuai Jiao. It's insulting for people who practice Shuai Jiao to hear that someone practices your style just because they can throw somebody, it's much more involved than many martial artists seem to think.

[laomeng88]

This is great. Dr.Yang is a true master. But the narrator keeps pronouncing Shuai Jiao like "Shui Jiao", which means dumplings, and it's driving me crazy. Wait...I think there were Taiji dumplings in "Shaolin Soccer"

[ShuaiJiaoNY]

With all do respect - per this video - he's mostly doing Chi na to execute a takedown - Shuai is throwing - Shuai Jiao is an art form - there maybe takedowns in Tai Chi, but there is no Shuai Jiao

[Ryooken]

Please bear in mind that there are many systems that use Chinese wrestling and that all Shuai Jiao and Chin'na is unique within that system. For example, Aikido does chin'na but it's flow is simply Aikido.  So it's not really fair to say because it's Taichi the elements of other systems aren't there and it's not Taichi Chin'na or Shuai Jiao.

[ShuaiJiaoNY]

I fully understand your point. But the saying is "ti,da,na,shuai" - not "shuai jiao" - to claim that the arts are combined, would not be accurate.

[Ryooken]

Of course it's accurate because the arts are naturally combinable. This is how styles of the arts are created. For example, chin'na is a system by itself and so is chikung. However, because martial experts in the past shared knowledge like currency, many of these skills were learned and incorporated into their systems enriching the system itself.

[ShuaiJiaoNY]

Joint locking,is a tool, as is striking and throwing. What he is doing in this video is "Shuai" (throwing), not the art of Shuai Jiao.

[IDOTUBEIDOTUBE]

He performs the techniques by moving his body so naturally ... that 's what makes the real expert !

[nilsonmorhes]

Chinese martial arts is ancestor of japanese martial arts, jujutsu,karate and others martial arts.

[justinkennethmail]

wow, this mystical bull crap is still alive? train judo for a month and you will be able to destory these flying tigers.

[ozzyo48]

A strong statement, but let us analyze. "train judo for a month", eh? But what are the roots of Judo? I think you'll find that the Shaolin inspired Judo skill is very much alive in this Wudang shuai jiao. Where do you think that jujutsu came from? Shaolin technique. So, please examine your argument before you fling such careless disrespect at an artist.

[justinkennethmail]

Oh lord. The Shaolin myth. Nationalistic history run amok. Ok. Go ahead, train your shuai jiao. But pay your health insurance before fighting a judoka, bjj fighter, boxer, or wrestler.

[Tazz77]

Shuai jiao and tai chi are both ancestors of judo. Tai chi is an excellent art but it takes a long time just to become proficient.

[shengchenfan]

Marines Empty hands skills aren't Shit.They are the greatest riflemen the the world.

[steviepotter]

your logic is flawless.

[wuxingwarrior]

Oh I don't know about that... since every hand to hand and bayonet fight they ever faced they won... okinawa, tarawa, saipan, iwo jima, chosin resovoir... fullujah. But they are pretty good with a rifle also.

[Jucudeno]

The last time I checked the Israeli, South Korean, and British military had better training than the USMC.

[watts18269]

True, the US marines' prefered method of fighting is to fire big guns at the targets from long range, and their basic training is on par with the British army's basic infantry.

[warbridetoo]

While everyone is arguing, I met Dr. Yang Jwing Ming several times. He's a very cool and straight forward guy. He has awesome seminars. He's for real.

[rothcroi]

Very nice throws well demonstrated.

[marcstyletaichi]

These are good applications, they're pre-arranged for the sake of demonstration, and demonstrated very well. Man u bitches whine at eachother!!

[Capoeirista81]

I believe that if you are practicing Taijiquan without martial applications, you're wasting your time and not really reaping the health benefits. REAL Taiji teachers are few and far between. As a method of combat, it's very scientific in terms of controlling your opponent's center and very lethal because they throw VERY hard. I used to train with an excellent teacher in NYC, but he really only advertises via word of mouth. He doesn't BS around either. He also teaches Xingyi and Bagua.

[icilianfenner]

irrelevant to the main point

but xingyi is SO fun to do alongside tai chi

xD

[killaappetite]

Haha lol! People, don't get mad at the ones who knock this video. Those who look at it with the simplest mentality only reflects their own deficiencies.

[ragbra]

Funny how marines laugh at others.. Tai Chi is very old, developed by masters that fought many battles in hand-to-hand(or sword) combat. It`s way bigger, older, more experienced and developed than any marine-skill. Gotta show some respect!

[tockok]

All legends and stories of great masters are grossly exaggerated.I suggest you try fighting a marine for real not a gym sparring bs.I think you never had a scrap in your life.Respect our real fighting men:the marines.

[ragbra]

So you are saying that the marine will loose in a bs gym. Finally thats settled. And ofc the marine will win in a real fight, cuz he`s got the gun. And the marines are yours, not ours, we have our own special army. Sure some of you are tough and can fight, but there are fat ppl on both "sides". Not every tai-chi user is a master, same with the marine.

[tockok]

I said that you should stick to sparring with your b.s.gym mates and leave real fighting to the real men.I did not say that the marine will lose in a gym : the marine will win hands down every time.Join the marines and learn the real stuff.Stop living in cloud cuckoo land.

[ragbra]

Hands down every time? omg, so thick headed.. You are the kind that gives bad prejudice of marines around the world. Have you ever had any martial arts training? I have had, and army combat training.

[Ryooken]

I think you are a bit short sighted. Marines fighting techniques although very good are VERY basic and easily accomplished. Where as Tai Chi takes longer because the system is more sophisticated. Combatants are combatants and should be respected marines or not. I know some marines that got waxed thinking themselves superior to practiced martial artist with combat experience.

[bobbohell]

I have fought and arrested a marine. I used techniques from these systems (taiji and bagua). In the end the killer was wearing cuffs and I was unharmed. Don't be a fool and don't make asumptions.  The marines probably taught you that as well but maybe you weren't paying attention.

[tockok]

I agree with richcapo,Dr.yang is only good in his own gym.I dont think that the dr. ever had a real fight in his life and learnt his stuff from someone else like him.The great yang cheng duo ,son of cheng fu is a grandmaster, title passed down as son of ycfu not from merit. Never had a fight just living on fanciful moves none proven in combat.Join the Marines and really learn the right stuff not gym rubbish.Ex-marine viet-vet.

[kflejmer]

It is obvious that You do not know dr Yang.

[tockok]

It is also obvious that you are a sycophant of yang and never used any of the bs in a real situation.

Richcapo was right :it only works when the dummy is frozen drunk or is totally ignorant of fighting.

[Jucudeno]

The marines don't even have a real fighting system? They teach MOS-specific holds and grapples. If you can't see the effectiveness of these moves, then you apparently don't train in any style at all. Shaui Chiao, although adopted in many forms, is present in almost every martial art on Earth. Wrestling is as common as hitting people with a fist. Bad marine, no cookie for you.

[tockok]

As I have said, youre only good in a gym. Hope you never have to fight a marine as you will be mince meat.Carry on playing your sport and live in fantasy.

[Jucudeno]

The martial applications to Taijiquan as presented in this video are not sport applications. These applications were made in times of greater close combat military strife than the USMC have ever faced. In our modern age of firearms, these combat systems have been outmoded in modern warfare. Yet in the time when they were created, even when these styles, and other internal styles like it were conceived; these styles happened to be the pinnacle of realistic martial fighting.

[tockok]

I am afraid that you have become a victim of propaganda BS started by the charlatan masters from china and the advent of kungfu movies. Even in ancient times battles were fought by hacking and stabbing with swords etc. No martial artist ever won a fight against a blade using bare hands:only in the movies. Dont let YangCM deceive you into a sense of false security.

[Jucudeno]

The hacking and stabbing of a sword is not the very essence of a martial art? What do you think the word means? "Martial" art would imply an art of warfare. Xingyiquan, Eagle Claw Boxing, Tiger Boxing, Wing Chun are a few styles used by the military to name the least. You should really check your information, sir, you're horridly inaccurate.

[ChaozXIII]

i heard from my friend say if you can do martial arts and the enemy use weapons ,bow down and pray like hell

[Ryooken]

Really if that were true then Karate would have never been born. I think you need to drop this since you obviously don't know what you are talking about. You are right about one thing though. Practical experience when using skills will outweigh those who have not used their art in combat. In the stories of the Tai Chi experts they warned about this and you must practice your art with the understanding of it's use is for actual combat.

[Ryooken]

Really you need to pay more attention to your history then because it's a documented fact when the Armed forces when up against the Asian military in WWII, what defeated the Americans and the Europeans alike was the hand to hand skills of the Asian fighters. Which is why the Americans adopted the basic training methods used by it's military today.

[tockok]

Im sorry but it is your history that needs attention. Read comments by wuxingwarrior about WW2. The asian warriors were decimated by the marines throughout SEAsia.The US marine is totally respected throughout the world as a formidable force. Your knowledge is from hearsay.Go out into the real world not the gym and you will learn a good lesson.You will be fodder for the street fighter.

[Ryooken]

You're wrong, if you go back and review WWII opposition reports, you would remember that when the US tried to attack the outer Japanese Islands the US lost badly. It's a historical fact. That's the major reason the Americans opted to use the bomb because the loss of American lives would have been impossible to bear. In fact, the military didn't teach hand to hand combat until after WWII because of the opposition they met when they fought the Japanese.

[Ryooken]

I don't blame you for believing that the Marines are invincible. The drill instructor train you to think that way. However, if it were true, then there would not have been so many dead marines. Warriors training is warriors training. You are right about one thing. Combat experience is the ultimate proof as to whether your techniques work. To say they don't work solely based on system and style is stupid.

[trhy]

you can say this at all Tai Chi masters'application classes, and you'll be fine.

[wuxingwarrior]

Ex Marine?

[shengchenfan]

you're right

[kflejmer]

I totally agree. I think that all styles have much in common. Moreover I think that discussion like 'my style it better because ..' does not make any sense. We are all different people with different mind and body. Thats why we train different styles. The only thing which matters is continuous training and a competent master/coach/leader. If everybody understand this we will be one step closer to the reality.

[shengchenfan]

Oh no i know how effective it is,in fact i have nothing but respect for Dr Yang.I bought several things on him.Plus i had a student many years ago who trained under him in Boston.

[kflejmer]

Sorry Shengchenfan. I meant to comment konsli's post and I had a kind of error on the site that's why it looks like I commented Yours.

[kflejmer]

I totally agree. I think that all styles have much in common. Moreover I think that discussion like 'my style it better because ..' does not make any sense. We are all different people with different mind and body. Thats why we train different styles. The only thing which matters is continuous training and a competent master/coach/leader. If everybody understand this we will be one step closer to the reality.

[kflejmer]

Is was not my intention to make a commertial or sell the stuff. Many people think that Tai Chi is a kind of slow gymnastics trained only by old people. I only wanted to show people from Sweden (Jönköping, Huskvarna) our Tai Chi programme. If you are YMAA student contact Your instructor. Or you can buy it at YMAA

[shengchenfan]

Thats a good point,a lot of styles share common truths and they are more alike than different.each teacher may have a different spin or emphasis according to their methods.

[kflejmer]

I agree. People often are totally wrong by seeking 'best style'. Even if there is a 'best style' which I do not believe most of us never reach the level when it matters. Qualified master/coach and training which fits to Your own mentality are the only things that matters.

[cloud0123]

Useless? Funny, I see MMA people, and Judo/SC people do this stuff all the time.

[konli]

You adapt different Techniques to you Style.

Like Bruce Lee Said , you take the style

your are learning and adapt it to you

If your Skinny, Strong what ever.

Where can you buy those DVD ??

[richcapo]

This sort of stuff typically only works when the other guy comes to dance -- or stand still. Useless.

[kflejmer]

Simply not true. These are basic techniques, disigned to give You en idea how martial applications of the Taijiquan longform look like. Moreover there is the training system to learn, how You apply these techniques in sparring. If You disagree, please participate in YMAA seminar and discuss the topic there. Thanks for Your comment.

[richcapo]

Not interested in doing sanctioned fight competitions. If I'm going to fight, it's going to be as it always has been -- to defend myself. I bounced throughout college and fought scores of ponced-up martial artists ... they were always the easiest to fight. Street fighters were the worst, followed by boxers ... who usually began as street fighters. Ninety-nine percent of UFC, etc., fights come down to street fighting, imo. That's significant to me.

[richcapo]

By "worst," I mean "the hardest to fight," btw. It's 5:30 AM here in DC ... I'm drunk on insomnia.

[kflejmer]

Good for You. It's great that people have different opinion on the same topic, it makes progress and prevents stagnation. In Sweden it's 1:00 PM and I have just ended my daily training. Have a nice day.

[richcapo]

You, too. Thanks for speaking with me.