Army Vehicle Test

[nylonTS]

im will be supprised if we can afford to put the fule in them with all the cut backs

[bisleybob3]

what about armour for the soldiers ?

[05ekul]

@dammitnr12 um people build vehicles for the war they are currently in in so maybe UR the DORK

[Worldpart]

What are the benefits of these machines compare, to, let's say, Kamaz?

[tbilisicentral]

@Worldpart mine protected

[d4nnydud3122]

How the heck do you safe a casualty?!

[Dclaws1000]

LOL don't let Russea see the video or they will make sumthing nicer and cooller!

[farmer864]

5.9 cummins???

[area52a]

I just bought a Supacat 6x6. I can hardly wait to get it!!!

[hockeyking61396]

america could use some things like that

[BLUECHET]

the m3 a2 BRADLEY IS SUPREME!

ALTHOUGH THE WARRIOR DRIVES LIKE A SPORTSCAR AND HAS A TOILET , IN COMPARISON THE BRADLEY WEAPON SYSTEMS ARE FAR SUPERIOR !!

[Aliasify]

@BLUECHET The warrior is getting a new turret wich will replace its 30mm cannon with a 40mm. The bradley only has the 25mm so how is that superior? i suggest you watch a series of videos on youtube entitled "the real bradley fighting vehicle"

[marks95911]

@Aliasify he said the bradley m3 a2 which has tow 2 launcher on it that can take out enemy main battle tanks .it come a long way from the original .i believe the warrior until this new turret was not great and had no air conditioning

[Aliasify]

@marks95911 Its still the same vehicle with none of the original problems fixed. The TOW launcher is protected by a sheet of metal as thick as carboard. In the Gulf war the FRONT armor on the Bradely was pierced on many ocasion by 12.7mm rounds. The US army has a doctrine of using Abrams tanks to ride in and "save the day" and this is the reason that upgrades and improvments where never fitted to correct the issues with the bradely despite being known befor the vehicle was even built

[marks9591]

@Aliasify the bradley is not a great vehicle but niether is the warrior .its turret was unstabalised and no a/c to save on cost .the fire control system was apailing aa u could not fire while the vehicle was moving .armour was also added in iraq

the us army has made mistakes with vehicles but so have the british .the mod s recent performance on vehicle purchasing has cost many lives and countless have been maimed with stupid descisions

[181jose]

ok its a cool vehicle but there is something missing here. Like protection there are no plates there are no bulled proof windows there is nothing there that can protect you from enemy fire.

[TheRazpaljotka]

@181jose its cabrio...for rich ppl :) like am porshe boxter....

[DerBlaueSoldat]

@TheEnglishBadman both the strykers and the humvee's are great machines when used for what they were designed for, Humvees were designed to replace the army jeep, not be an armored personal carrier and the stryker is designed for an armored war, not fighting an insurgency.

[jcvjcvjcvjcv]

@TheEnglishBadman

So do a lot of the US soldiers as far as I understand.

[SummerGameProject]

Although that tan matv was very nice and powerful, it was lacking one essential element - protection. How are the drivers and crew supposed to survive an IED attack or ambush when the vehicle is completely open?

[jcvjcvjcvjcv]

They are all tire trucks.

Well, that's one small bomb and you're out of tires and out of mobility.

Look up the Stryker a.k.a. Kevlar Coffin.

[marks9591]

ITS CRAP.the jackal is said to be the new replacement for the landrover.the problem is that this vehicle is being used in afghanistan were the main weapon is the ied ,the jackal was built without a VHULL.before anyone says oh yes it does please research and youll see no vhull.the mod say well we use mobility over armour ,hmmm well thats fine until you do hit an ied then evryone is dead .the usa solved the problem by buying the new matv by oshkosh its the best off road protected vehicle in world

[ozeangruen]

best is the Australian Bushmaster, and the German Fennek as well as the German Dingo ATF/ATC

[marks9591]

i agree with those choices but i think those are bigger than the matv and used for a little different mission .i think the matv is going to be used as a land rover or similar vehicle would be ,but you are right those are great vehicles .check out the matv its very impressive .there videos on here

[ozeangruen]

I just checked it out thank´s for consideration. The Bushmaster as well as the Dingo are mad for same task´s as the MATV. The Idea and using of VHull cames from the African Bushwar. Leopard APC, mine-protected vehicle, designed and built in Rhodesia during the late 1970s and based on a Volkswagen engine.

[marks9591]

yes i read about the rhodesians using the vhull design ,they had some great ideas .vector ,viking ,landrovers ,jackal .these vehicles have little protection and if they hit a mine most likely everyone is dead .the uk replaced the viking with a similar one that also offers little protection husky failed usa testing.the mod convinced the public that we need mobility over protection ,well why when you can have both .its stupid .but as you can see from the peoples comments they really believe it

[ozeangruen]

sure but mines where furher developed later on. The South African Defence forces used a further developed APC later on I think it was the Buffalo (I am not sure)

They used him during Angolan Bushwar.

However maybe you are also interrested in the story of the 32. Batallion (Buffalo soldiers) of the South African Defence Force. However you can find it also on youtube. thanks for posting and sharing

[marks9591]

yes thank you too it is good to get some inteligent comments on a subject that is interesting to us both.i will check out the story

[SgtDrDeath]

British crap...

[wiganerrmc]

crap is made in sweden not britian

[SgtDrDeath]

HAHAHA

[wiganerrmc]

ye i no britian as the most advanced ship in the world type 45 and the most advanced sub astute and we even have a ucav stealth bomber taranis

[Scurck]

Most advanced ship: Visby Corvette = Swedish

Best Submarine: Gotland AIP = Swedish

watch?v=Khaa3y0i87s

=D

[wiganerrmc]

are u jokeing now Visby Corvette is shit its only 650 tonnes the type 45 is 8.000 tonnes and cost 14 times more than the Visby Corvette look on BAE web site it sey worlds most advanced warship

[Scurck]

Yes, smaller and cheaper = vastly more cost effective.

BAE can put any crap they want on their website, it still does not make any more true.

Anti ship capability:

Type 45: 1 x 113mm, £ x Hot air

Visby: 1 × 57mm, 8 × RBS15

No contest. =D

[wiganerrmc]

type 45 is a destoyer not a frigate we use frigates for anti ship but the type 45 as anti ship missiles but not fitted at this time because thay are not needed its like the tomahawk missile are not fitted yet we have the type 23

two quadruple launchers for eight Harpoon SSM's

Two GWS.26 VLS for 32 Sea Wolf SAMS

One 4.5-inch Mk 8 DP gun

Two DS 30B 30mm AA guns

and there are old 1s were getting new 1s soon

[Scurck]

So your basically saying that one Visby Corvette have almost the same ASW capability as a Type 23 Frigate AND a Type 45 destroyer combined... =D

[wiganerrmc]

carbon fiber is not strong and wots wrong with metal

[Scurck]

And BTW, the entire Visby is made out of carbon fibre.

Type 45 is made of the usual metal...

Most advanced? LOL! =)

[wiganerrmc]

no the type 45 ar made from metal plastic and over things it is classified better than shitty carbon fibre wot i could shoot a bb gun threw it

[Scurck]

Metal plastic... You mean metal AND plastic, LOL!

Carbon fiber is much better then some shitty metal. It's time to enter the 21'st century! =D

[wiganerrmc]

UK's first stealth sub makes less noise than a baby dolphin, making her as good as undetectable by enemy ships

Astute's sonar is so advanced that if she was lying in the English Channel she would be able to detect ships leaving New York harbour 3,000 nautical miles away (although the details of how she can do this are classified

[wiganerrmc]

The nuclear reactor will never need refueling, and with an ability to make oxygen and drinking water out of sea water, the sub could stay underwater for its entire 25-year life sp an were it not for the needs of the crew

[wiganerrmc]

Gotland is pretty shit tell u the truth it may make a little sound but it is 5 times smaller than the asute class and it makes more nose and astute is about 40 times more powerfuler

[Scurck]

Yes again, smaller and cheaper = vastly more cost effective.

It took the US pacific fleet a whole year to even detect the Gotland sub that was stationed in San Diego. And all the while it kept on 'sinking' their fancy carrier battlegroups. =D

This is a fact from real life, not some overblown company lies and propaganda.

[wiganerrmc]

wront there because US leased the gotland of sweden and it sunk 18 ships but the first ship it shot would of been detected because all the gotland did was take a pic the astute class can fir a missile from over 2000km aways not 50km away

[Scurck]

Silly you. The Gotland can of course launch its torpedoes silently. They simply swim out on their own: watch?v=j3hLwTPq3hc

After the first ship was 'sunk' do you think the remaining ships changed their behavior? They where after all already on an exercise with the specific purpose of finding the submarine...

Owned again! =D

[wiganerrmc]

fuck me u dont no anything

[superjaysimmons]

You'll save lives if you get the fuck out of where you don't belong.

[GGSDavejones]

"is it bomb proof?" What the jackle does it deflet (yes i know my spelling is bad) the blast away.

Oh p.s by 2020 the challenger 2 won't be used again due to it's not made to the type of fighting thats going on now so it's going to be replaced by fast, nimble things like the jackle or the panther

[marks95911]

@GGSDavejones it does nothing of the sort and many have died in the jackal cos it has no vhull

[0165927483]

its a god dam shame that a Jackel was blown up today and killed 3 paras and seriously inguring another...never forgotten guys! Chin up!

[aenimoxxx]

is it bomb proof? it look likes another hardware for afhgan to blast in to the air! haha! this wont solve any problem. waste!

[theGoldenAgeOfBoredo]

the mastiff apc actually is pretty tough^^

[TacticalDude2]

Its completely bomb proof. It's been known to get hit with an IED and drive away continuing the mission.

[rabwatt321]

nothing is completely bomb proof, its built to channel the blast away from the guys in it but if the ied is big enough then it could turn the men and the vehicle into dust.

[marks95911]

@TacticalDude2 u should change your name cos ur speaking through ur arse .30 men have died so far in jackals and who knows how many injured

[Coltonwarwickpleass1]

wow those smaller vehicles do look like they have how you say... minimal amour

or is it just me? ........

[xxBRITAINxx]

yeah i think thety put metal mesh things on when they get over to afghan

[TraineeGunner]

Why don't we just use our Nuclear bomb and wipe out afghanistan and iraq ~ yeah some people are nice there, but why waste our time ?

[XboxVampireCreed]

traineeGunner,the reason we can't just nuke em out (as much as i hate to admit we can't :( ),is because of the historical signifagince of iraq and afganistan,althought im not positive what happened in afganistan,that is signifant in historical facts and notes...Iraq has hella lotta history....

Please do some research be you post please ^.^:)

(sorry for typos)

[xJamersBoix]

the reason why we can't just use our nuclear bomb is, quite simply, we fire one and they fire back.

[GGSDavejones]

It's like guns, a person in your village buys one so you feel you must get one for protection

[larsanien]

pfff....

germany just bough a crapy model worth 300 K pounds...

[1alexoswald]

Why bother! Just give our lads the same level of LR that the RUC had in Northern Ireland 20 years ago! Take everyone on a jolly to Arabia and dump them in the s**t is not what anyone required from our MOD. This country should hang It's head in shame every time a child arrives home in a coffin. We are so much better than this and they are so much better than us. God bless all our lads and lasses. May he keep you safe to come home to us soon

Love Dad

[Tight2go]

i want all of them!

[1alexoswald]

goof bag missed the point T..t

[Tight2go]

what u mean n how am i a goofball?

[1alexoswald]

Respect partner! Am new to this site and mailed you in error.

[ledgendsrus]

the first one and the jackal all seem really exposed

[LandRoverMatt]

These journos keep saying that the jackal is a replacement for the Land-Rover. That's got to be wrong.

The jackal is obviously not an "all terrain" vehicle - it is 6.5 tons!

I can see how it'd offer much better mine protection and be a better weapons platform but as a "go anywhere" vehicle it has to be limited by it's size and weight. Even if they phase out the L-R they'll need something about that size and weight as a general utility truck?

"This is the future of all terrain vehicles" Clown!

[LandRoverMatt]

Now if he'd said "this is the future of military weapons platforms" I'd have accepted his expertise, but saying that a wide heavy 6.5 tonner is the future of all terrain is well, bollocks. (As small and light as you can get away with for the job in hand is the best)

Why yes, I am biased towards Land_Rover since you ask. But Pinzgauers, G Wagens and Unimogs are also excellent vehicles.

[englandforever]

wat do u mean its not all terrain?..... this video quite obviously shows that it can handle more terrain than the LRs! and it had more armour underneath so yes it does have better mine protection.

seriously... where do u think its gona go in afghan ... a fuckin forest?? it can handle afghan terrain its easy to tell really

[giveittheberrys]

well id say there would be some sand in afganistahn so i would of thought lighter would of been better

[arfah69]

The Supacat does have armour in the form of ballistic matting. The vehicle becomes stuck due to driver error and not the fault of the equipment.

[wraithman07]

the fact that it's on wheels and in mud had something to do with that... tracks would've helped it to not get stuck.

[giveittheberrys]

tracks dont help when there is no weight on the tires any way higer under body clearance would have helped or s competent driver

[rickstereno]

no it wudt because it got stuck because of its belly and driver error

[giveittheberrys]

the veichel got stuck because of driver error and low clearace it was stuck on its belly

[Conservativepacheat]

the jackel needs armor bad!

[civicmike01]

Unless im going blind, what were those big steel plates covering it?

[englandforever]

and the armour on the undercarriage etc etc ... wtf people! stop complainin about it when its obviously better and more protected than the LRs ?!?!?

[susat00]

Think the jackal's low centre of gravity is good for handling, but unless moving fast, can be crap for IEDs. I say give it mineproofing with the "V" underside throughout. That model gets top marks for the 360 sunshine factor though!

[strikers1998]

it is hard to shoot a moving vehicle but it only takes one round to stop a human what happens if the driver is taken out, i am american but im sure glad you brits are backing us up

[benjsy]

we help our allies in any situation

[streety3812]

thanks mate u know were a loyal country and back our allies and im proud to say i have served we ur military in operations in iraq and afgan and i couldnt think of a better country to have by my side when under contact.

[blank10123]

they all look abit exposed to bullet ? !!

[HishamOwns]

Utter fail

[mrfuckuman]

thats bullshit come on our military can produce better armored vicheals than those!i agree with you Roaringtiger1..we should just use the uni mog but modify it with heavy armour and im sure you can place a 50cal with indoor n outdoor protective sheild just like the americans have on the humvees

[gladiator346]

i no man, 1:10 he says "lets put it through its paces" and fucking goes round in circles in the sand................what a bald headed fucking prick, its people like him that make this country a laughing stock.......fucking wanker

[Roaringtiger1]

how the fuk will these vehicles stop troops from gettin shot at? Most hav no windshield!

[EtcEtcAndEtc]

'a sauna or a swimming pool, or either'.

idiot

[riotagus]

I salute our boys in Iraqui and Afganistan for they are doing a good job. I say our boys beacuse i,m a british cetizen. I was born in portugal but i love this cuntry as my own, and WILL figth for this cuntry if i have too. God bless the Queen!

[highlands]

Are you aware you look like the hood from thunderbirds?

God some of you people talk balls. Poor Afghanis?

We're the only ones offering them education and medicine, the Taliban certainly aren't.

I'm happy we are spending money on new vehicles because it makes me feel happier serving but I do worry about what corners or safety features have been cut because of 'budgetary concerns'.

I think money is a ridiculous concern when it comes to keeping people who are serving their country alive.

[NosoCOMINSOON]

@highlands True and I agree. But I think the anger is geared towards their attitude on the war, and so their attitude against the equipment is effected. I can't speak for everyone but thats just the way I feel. I love this country to death and plan to serve but I just feel we have no business being in afghanistan, or any other place for that matter. I believe in the constitution, and if I were president I would pull out all of our troops from around the world, and focus on our country.

[cpk93]

BRING OUR BOYS BACK HOME SAFELY!

[1rob8]

poor Afghanis? wtf man piss off.

[ommis10]

I don't understand how the jackal will protect troops riding in it

[12487643]

my m9's driving them in afghan atm he told me tht there has been an upgrade wich offers more protection but its still pretty open

[rickstereno]

yh there is a jackel 2

[danielod]

its hard to shoot a moving vechicle so they would have to shot loads and give up their position

[kook2222]

LOL getting stuck in the mud hardly good for combat.

[MuratBulutAysan]

"Save scores of lives" ...?

what...does the machine-gun shoot medicine, education and money at the poor Afghanis ?

[theospark]

Clarkson he ain't.

[kewballl]

that 1st vehicle sucked...it went about 4 m/h and got suck twice...

[BIOLOGICALSCUM]

Right. This is what the world needs more of. Fancy boy toys to destroy the less fortunate. Way to go...

[69Macleod69]

the less fortunate? ignorant cunt

[Greenmax08]

yh you dont feel a thing until they start shooting lol no roof!

[ajb123644]

Ok... So number 1: A journalist gets it stuck in mud. Ok they are shipping them out to Iraq and Afghanistan where there is sand that will swallow things like this.

Number 2: No fucking protection! Where the hell do the bullets stop? That vehicle to replace the Land Rover? Again no protection or anything. Wow, speed! You dont need speed you need protection. This is absolutely rubbish. Bin the new stuff, we need better stuff than this, what a waste of money.

[12487643]

the 2nd vehicle is replacing WMIK landrovers not sntaches and it is actualy very good just what special forces such as royal marines and paras need in afghan

[ajb123644]

Maybe however as much as it is good it isnt really. You need to get some armour on there. Royal Marines are not Special forces in reality they are Front Line combatants, SBS and SAS would benefit from the vehicle as it is fast not Royal Marines as they go into the deep shit.

[12487643]

i see where your coming from mate it overall looks like a decent vehicle maybe they should get some kind of removable armour wich can go on it..

[69Macleod69]

how thick are you guys? do you relly think this is the only modeal that gets used,jesus christ stop pretending to have a clue when you clearly dont know wtf your talking about.

[12487643]

wha u mean i dnt know wtf im talking bout??? ive taken part in many army exercises and i no downsides and upsides of the wmik's and snatches but you probly dont have a clue what they are bet ur looking on google now tho GROW UP!

[69Macleod69]

You are a child,youve never served anywhere or been in any exercises,perhaps you mean sit ups with your girl scouts.Why the fuck are you bringing vehicles into a discussion of your intellect,ignorant cunt go home.

[rugbyboi789]

Shut Up

[southwestwingchun]

can't help thinking these are going to get blown to fuck. what they really need is a good reverse gear. like all the way home. it's delusional to think that the UK is going to win a war there. lets spend the money on er like repairing the shit ass society we seem to have created in the last 30 yrs.

[seoden]

the taliban were defeated ages ago. Troops in Afghanistan are now just fighting the Afghan people.

The taliban are not armed with Kevlar armour bullet proof vests, do not have air support, do not use combat vehicles or logistical vehicles, do not receive the US$3 billion per year in aid which Usa gave them (when ooops the US er.. established them). The taliban are piss easy to defeat. The afghan people have now risen against the coalition troops cos they want democracy.

[BIGFACE08]

i pefer jet fighter planes them things r untouchable !!!!!!1

[ArmedBrit]

SAM much?

[plipplop245]

yh spose

but they r pretty fast so rpg's wont touch 'em!!!

[scaredweepel]

lmao yeah right!

[thest3alth]

If one vehicle got stuck twice in testing, they should really consider inproving it? Right? o.O

[jonathan12376]

none of those vechicles would I like to go to combat in, they look designed for driving on a sunny afternoon not in a fucking RPG IED infested warzone

[scaredweepel]

i really think their only logistical vechicals. Transport and Engineering purposes - Their not fit for combat - It's not like their going to replace the Warrior, Challenger 2 and snatch with those bloody things! The Jackal however is an awesome bit of kit! why no 'Panther' in action!?

[drakulva]

1. They have no business being in afghanistan or iraq in the first place. Focusing on this junk is a distraction. 2. It is paid for by taxation; that is, threatening working people with deadly force. It is immoral and the people who make these machines and use them are simply parasites. They don't "serve their country", they are simply parasitic scum.

[YeahMethane]

This isn't a discuss the right and wrongs of Britain's overseas conflicts, this is a look at some nice military hardware place, so take your pathetic political views somewhere else.

[drakulva]

I was responding to the video not to you nor your puerile discussion of military "hardware."

[Bodynaz1]

Judging by your reaction I'm guessing you are one of two things; Muslim or a goody two shoes who has not got a fucking clue how the world goes round. For one taxation isn't enforced on the grounds of fatality in the UK, so I imagine you don't live here. Don't get me wrong however, I'm grateful you don't. The designers of the hardware are just well educated people that are making a living. If you were bright enough to have gone study engineering I'm sure you would do just the same. So fuck off.

[laurielegit]

i love the way you use muslim as a way of saying the person is on the side of the taliban. you are the one who needs to fuck off

[drakulva]

You're wrong so in many ways you should get a prize. I'm not a muslim and I am in the UK. Yes, if you ignore the letters from the Inland Revenue, and the eventual court judgement, and repel the bailiffs who try to come for your stuff, and the police who then come, you will be shot. When all is said and done, people pay their taxes because they will be killed if they don't. The "designers of the hardware" are looters helping themselves to stolen property.

[zombat]

The Jackal's open topped and semi-open sided - can you say IED?

Christ do these designers even take battlefield conditions into considoration any more?

[YeahMethane]

It's replacing the Land Rover, which I would hardly say are any more armoured. Maybe they should have taken IEDs into consideration of the design though.

[zombat]

True, but even a thin skinned vehicle like the land rover is going to absorb or deflect some of the blast and smaller bits of shrapnel.

With the jackel the shrapnel won't have anything between the bomb and something soft and squishy

[Idiotcorrector]

nothing like an armored vehicle huh?

[cenith88]

the jackal will replace the WMIKS which the british FSGs use aswell as more mobile units. they're meant to fast and back a punch not stick around under fire for a long time.

[njipods]

england often prides its self on the fact that are solders and equipment is better than the US.

the US are catching up quickly and have always had numbers on there side

[cmcpherson03]

Britain not england mate

[d3ath0rglory]

That would be the british army not the english army, We are better trained than the US army but they have far superior equipment to us. And the US army is also better supplied and looked after more than our troops.

There are some very ignorant people on here when it comes to the british army. A bulk of the force of the British army are scottish and welsh and the northern irish have a fair few in the army to. It pisses me off when someone says english army.

[p8ntballa4life69]

also have you seen the Cougar APV? they are from my state and i have seen many on the highway... that what you guys should buy

[p8ntballa4life69]

yeah true. but if your talking about the hummer its not the best unless if you get the armor upgrade. but those trucks were cool but they need armor

[p8ntballa4life69]

just because he aint as good as the guy from future weapons doesnt mean hes a fag

[p8ntballa4life69]

the jackal is cool though

[p8ntballa4life69]

who wants to ride in a vehicle with no protection on the rear, sides, or roof? jw