anyone notice we are using more force and injuring more people than the Egyptian dictatorship during the revolution? WOW america fuck this i'm off to Canada....
The image of thousands of ordinary citizens of all ages, races & backgrounds handily marching on the banks and later on the Port, was too dangerous & strong an image for the rest of America & the world to see. So, right on cue, just like in cities before, up pop the mysterious masked pseudo-ninjas with their unmistakeable whiff of suburbia to light some trash cans on fire, break some windows & lob a few bottles at riot cops before running away (safe & sound just like the 1% they work for.)
@JJNoire it's not "mysterious", these people have been active in oakland, and in occupy, for ages. remember the Oscar Grant riots? we were there. remember how the GA passed a motion to ban police from the plaza? that was us, among others.
have you seen the videos of the cops shooting that guy in the face with a tear gas canister a few days ago?
the people who immediately rush to help him, despite being shot at themselves, are all black bloc.
@anarcrustie You do your research. I was there, as well as the 25th & got gassed. If the Traveler's Aid building was to be truly occupied successfully, getting in there & getting set up before alerting the riot cops would have made more sense (duh.) I've got no love for the cops or anyone else whose excuse is 'just following orders.' But if that was an example of "strategy," go back to the drawing board. I'm aware that diverse tactics were voted in - as they should be - but this was failure.
@JJNoire i don't think anyone intentionally alerted the riot cops, they just miscalculated. the cops had been relatively absent, we thought we had a bigger window of opportunity than we did. we fucked up. but we aren't cops or infiltrators.
also, i know telling you to do more research was condescending as hell given that you were there, and i apologize. but why are you talking about the general strike being "peaceful" and black bloc being "mysterious" or provocateurs? this stuff is clearly bull
@anarcrustie I meant 'mysterious' as in timing -- similar protests elsewhere have resulted in similarly ill-timed incidents where one diversity of tactic cancelled out another. That's not helping each other.
As far as thinking you had more time, there were multiple helicopters & a plane circulating non stop over head all day & eve watching. It felt like a quiet build up on their side (to me) as the evening progressed.
@anarcrustie the 10,000 people who marched from 9 am to 10:30 pm Those images of entire families swarming over a freeway overpass to close a major US Port. That tactic. Every news since about a couple hours of lit trash cans far, far away from the real villains of power. Alexander Berkman took it to Frick. He didn't bother breaking "symbols of power" or light a trash fire down the street from an anarchist meeting spot. Taking Trav Aid blg better done a day or two later in daytime, peacefully
@JJNoire egh, i disagree. i've seen more international news about the port shutdown than this. that was too big for them to silence with a couple of burning trash cans.
but even if the media blacked out the port shutdown completely, doesn't the corporate media black-out radical events regardless? the media are our enemies, they will always do their best to make us look bad.
also, what do you think of the black bloc attacks on banks that took place earlier in the day?
You were an eyewitness & say that the cops avoided going after the masked Black Bloc'ers. What does that tell you about who was on who's side?
Anarchism: it is a philosophy that prefers creation to violence & violence only when necessary, not randomly. The Black Bloc actions that night clearly were not intended to actually be successful in converting a long vacant building for community use, but to create an emergency news distraction from the thousands who marched over the previous 13+ hours.
Abby, those weren't "anarchists" no matter what they call themselves. They are no different from Republican saber-rattlers or the young testosterone jocks who are easy fodder for military recruiters on high school campuses. This is simply "the side" they picked. There is a time to face off with cops/military and a time not to. Immediately following the highly successful & peaceful General Strike was not one of those times. Infiltrators, uncover cops provoking a scene to eclipse the GenStrike
@JJNoire You are absolutely right. Anarchism is philosophically peaceful and I shouldn't have made that generalization. Interestingly enough, the police didn't attempt to single out the easy-to-distinguish "Black Bloc" individuals who were actually instigating violence, instead they used horrendous methods of crowd control on thousands of people.
@AbbyMediaRoots no one was instigating violence. i see no black bloc in here. and even at that, define violence. i think you need to look at what the black bloc tatic really is.
@JJNoire what? the general assembly passed a motion saying it would support all autonomous occupations of foreclosed buildings. people attempted this and were attacked by the police, and they attempted to defend themselves by building barricades and throwing tear gas canisters back at the cops. all of this was strategic.
p.s. this wasn't the first incident of confrontation in the general strike. the port shutdown was just as illegal, and anarchists were already smashing banks. do more research.
@wtfisthatsmell Few images in the news of the ordinary folk- kids, elders, canes, wheelchairs, babies - unions, worker coops, etc who engaged in various marches 9 am -10:30 pm. Everything ended up being the late night riot. Timing & distraction is similar to Seattle, Toronto. Regular people protesting scares power more than 'vandalism." So who benefits from a nice flaming riot at midnight? The corps that own the news & the staus quo. Break mansion & country club windows, not your neighbors
A) there was a black bloc at the anti-capitalist march earlier in the day, and presumably the same folks attended the port shutdown as well.
B) this group is also pretty diverse- a few look like black bloc, but most are wearing normal clothes and improvised masks. you see quite a few people of colour with bandanas or keffiyehs up throwing teargas canisters back at the cops.
overall, the divergence you are drawing between "regular people protesting" and "vandalism" is a media myth.
@anarcrustie Again, "anacrustie," I was there. I'm not sure why you are steering your comments toward fashion statements, as that isn't the point. The point is failed strategy that puts others at risk without their input or consent. The 16tth & Telegraph action called cops down upon the camp and effected others who had chosen different tactics. Not 'reg vs vandals.' You removed their choice & made them 'collateral damage.' Who else does that? Oh yeah, the US military. Sure you're not a cop?
@JJNoire and also... the nazis! i'm probably a nazi, right?
no input or consent? the GA supported autonomous building occupations fool! also, once again, the entire day involved aggressive illegal tactics. folks showing up should have known what to expect.
also, this action has now been replicated in other cities, the tactic of autonomous building occupation is spreading, which the communique from this action states was the main goal. so successful action, even if botched?
@JJNoire as for fashion statements, the argument i was responding to was that these images overshadowed and "canceled" images of the General Strike in the media. this assumes that media images can have an enlightening and even galvanizing effect, an assumption i'm willing to run with.
my point, then, was that the image of a large group of people, clearly from diverse cultural/political backgrounds, united by anonymity and defiantly confronting the police together is also powerfully positive.
Those punks are people hired by the elite to create order out of chaos. Demand elite members in big media, newspapers, online to bring it to justice and eventually joint. We know their names now... don't be an asshole going to the streets with this punks they are foreigners not american people. They want new world order global goverment food crisis economic chaos pretexts to invade small countries and obviously declare martial law ... don't do what they expect you do!
@culerosargentinos NWO is a satanic order of the ages religion secular new age racist order. MASONS are very willing to serve they Universe Arquitect Lucyfer and their fallen Angels and their deceiving manisfestations UFOS, ghost, aliens, andromedans, pleaiadans, dead spirits, demons teachings, religion infiltrators etc...
the elites want war but they are not ready for real war on the streets of america,
dont force them to use riot gear and lrads and teargas and flash bang gernades,and microwave weapons, fore them to use jdams, predator drones, and assault weapons, see how the public opinion will turn then
when they toss over tear gas ,toss back a stick of dynamite, then you wil see how many cops will be volunteering to get dressed up in riot gear after 10 or 20 of them get vaporized at a time, these clashes have been going on for a decade now, i dont see any change ,they want to use military and war tactics against the people,a violation of posse comitatus ,then the people need to fight fire with hotter fire ,and use war tactics back ,
sure there are police provocateurs that pose as anarchist so they use them as an excuse to clamp down even more ,and to use a as media photo opp to gain public suppport against the protests, but how many times are the protesters going to through this and realize that nothing is changing, its not stoping the globalist agenda one bit, but if there going to be violent then go all out dont smash windows and lite fires,do what works,what worked in iraq? IED's and explosives are are a good start,
you have achieved red eyes and ringing ears isint real life revolution a bich dosent go like in some shitty hollywood movie now go home and tell you family what a patriots you are
Cheap Thrills! Anarchists, Anarchists, Anarchists. The anarchists in this video don't seem to have any real concept of strategy or Anarchy. This is a bunch of people trying to start confrontation so they could tell their friends what real heroes they were. Cowards are the ones who hold up peace signs after acting violently. Idiots are the ones that started fires without a real plan to defeat the numbers that came at them with tear gas. We are the other. Put yourselves in the place of another
@continuityofliberty then maybe you should watch the mace spraying of the Occupiers in UC Davis, they all linked arms while sitting down & the riot cops replied that the protesters 'surrounded' the cops, resulting in their excessive force.
Whether we sit down or stand up, it will happen. It's the numbers we need, waking up the American Sheeple is a huge task, but it must happen. I was there & i watched as riot cops attacked us before they ever gave their dispersal warnings!!
Look at 1:41 where the arrogant PIG approaches them with firepower and they hold up peace signs like weak obedient snivelling weasels!
Its all fun and games until reality hits these "peaceful" hippies
1:47 pleading with the GOD to NOT gas them please..These protesters dont even have guts. There were enough of them, they are too conditioned to male a difference, plain and simple!
ugh fuck cops. also fuck these anarchist, they aren't serious. all they want to do destroy shit and make it shitty for everyone else. they have no plan fucking idiots. hurrdurr lets destroy shit cus im mad, and then.... idk
@koertje Capitalizing the word 'idiots' doesn't make anyone pay more attention to you. The fires were lit in response to police action. I agree that they shouldn't have set them, but as they claim in the video it was an 'asshole anarchist' who set the fire. As OakFoSho stated, there's always some douchebags.
@ZaphodX420 As much as I would like to believe the fires were lit in response to police action, it just isn't true. I was there the whole time and the police didn't start firing on the crowd until multiple trash cans along with the dumpster was aflame. However, it is still completely wrong for police to use such methods of crowd control, entire crowds of nonviolent people shouldn't be gassed or shot upon if one person lights something on fire or throws something.
"we, we, we." "We, the denizens of youtube think to project our opinion in representation of others, and if you disagree you are a pandering corporate apologist."
There are many perspectives and ideas. If you believe you can use others for fodder for your political beliefs, you are using people as pawns in your game. Consensus is about mutual agreement, not a minority of outspoken people making decisions for others and disregarding the beliefs of those people.
Is a violent movement is entirely peaceful until the police arrive?
If you told officers to remove worshipers from churches across America starting this Sunday, it would not take long until the worshipers began to retaliate. But that does not mean that Christianity is a movement characterized by "violent thugs."
Is there any reason the safety or related concerns this particular movement brings could not be solved in a calm or rational manner? No, but some authorities choose not to try.
@mikurukamui13 Your comparison is laughable, because you ignore that the crowd attacked first. Their concerns are justified, the message is sound. The problem is that the group is infested with anarchists that they can't control or remove. Thus, violent action that requires a police response. Do some research next time.
These "occupy" mobs have proven themselves, over and over again, to be violent thugs. The "occupy" movement is all about violence and the use of violence to provoke the police. It is way past time for our police to use whatever means are necessary to control these mobs of violent thugs. Way past time for our elected politicians to order the police to do so and to provide the police with the backing they need to protect the citizens from these violent "occupy" thugs.
@krag30 feel free to define 'violence' since you seem to be confused as to it's definition. we have not been violent. we are feeding and giving tent space and blankets to the homeless, poor, hungry. we are meeting regularly to address the injustice of a system which rewards greed. what have you done for anyone today, except incite more police violence?
I think occupying the building with GA approval makes a strong statement against this upside down system of capitalist values putting private property rights above everything else to the extend that an empty building is kept empty because a bank can't make money on it. We need to repudiate that value system. We have our own value system that is in direct conflict with that. We have the moral high ground and should not lose it. The system is scared, rightly. That is a good thing.
They needed to go about occupying the former homeless service building foreclosed by the bank in a more open way. Build up support and make it official so the media can't try to distort it, and divide people, twisting the facts. I think occupying the empty building to be run by and for the people would win overwhelming consensus and support. Lets see the cops try to take it away when we are there at 10,000!
I was there. AT 11 50 pm, after only a short time after forming their line, they shot tear gas and stun grenades at the crowd. This was BEFORE anyone lit fires, threw anything, etc. And despite media reports to the contrary, they did not issue a warning. Later they issued warnings, but the first attack of tear gas was done so without it, starting the violent confrontation. I was to the side and in audible range when I witnessed this, from their onset until the actual attack.
Mummar Ghadafi reincarnated as Oakland Mayor. Watch as the dictator enforces her iron-fist despotism on the protestors. Down with the Oakland mayor and city government. Power to the people of Oakland, the 99%.
Its important to note that the dumpster were not lit on fire until AFTER the police attacked with tear gas. The fire helped to dissipate the chemical agents used by the police. I do think the window breaking afterwards serves no valid purpose, though...
@Giovanni1972 You're an idiot. Even IF that were true, once the cops have told your criminal asses to disperse, you don't get to resist, you get the fuck lost. This isn't a playground bitch fight, moron.
Btw, you are lying about the anarchist defecating in public. Where are you getting that info from? You like to call a lot of people names, and try to bully them into silence. But no, he should not shut up. Who are you to tell people to shut up or call them animals, etc? All humans are animals, btw. Try to be civil or it means you are a very weak, pathetic person who can't express themselves intelligently. 5 year olds use the name calling tactic. It doesn't work on adults.
@Giovanni1972 The campers shit, pissed, and left dirty needles in Ogawa Plaza. People who research and state the truth deserve cility, not children who bend reality to cover up for their bad behavior.
Assemble the militias, its time to put the cops in check. Why are you going be afraid of the cops. Assemble the militias, we have the CONSTITUTION which allows the assembly of militias. We the People have LAW on our side the police are under statutes not law so assemble the militias and bring the artillery cause the COPS ARE BREAKING THE LAW every time theY fire on THE PEOPLE.
@benreilly5467 i mistakenly gave this a thumbs up, which i'll go ahead and give for looking something up. meanwhile, if the people are gathering under protection of the first amendment, the police have no such power. in this case, the police repeatedly attacked a peacefully assembled crowd of unarmed, non threatening citizens, whose gathering is, indeed, protected by the first amendment.
@wiseoldsnail I guess you can't read. Or watch videos. Or use your brain. The crowd was violent. Thus, the law I listed above very much applied to them. Thus, you're full of shit. Don't believe me? Then try doing a little research and see what happened. Or drag your lazy ass away from the internet and see for yourself. Lobbed bottles, M80, 1000s, paint, yeah, that's a peaceful crowd. You're a fact twisting piece of garbage.
i don't have to read or watch video to know what was happening, since i was there. were you? i was there last tuesday from five o'clock in the morning and throughout the day into the night. were you? police have no right to assault people for standing in the street. police have no right to disperse a crowd of peaceful protesters. if they wanted to chase down a few unruly folks, they have to do that with care and consideration of the general unarmed, peaceful public. paint is not a weapon.
@wiseoldsnail Why do you think I asked? Police didn't assault, the crowd attacked first. Paint is not a weapon? Are you a fucking moron? Neither are bottles. The point is YOU CAN'T THROW JACK SHIT, YOU IGNORANT FUCKING MORON. The SECOND a son of a bitch tosses anything with malicious intent they're breaking the law, PERIOD, you stupid asshole. Go read the law, animal. Have fun continuing to undermine what the occupiers are trying to fight for with your anarchist bullshit.
americans are so submissed that why your country never changes.. in europe this happens and we change things thats why we used to have social benefits till your politicians and goverment fucked it up for us
The Occupy movement must work to police itself, to prevent violence within its ranks. The rock throwers must be "arrested" by the Occupy majority. The fires started must be put out by the Occupy people.
Give the police no excuse. Show the anti-occupy people that they are wrong. Have them face their inhumanity.
Eventually its gonna come down to force. These people kill presidents and prime ministers. They won't hesitate to kill every protester if they have to. Either that or they will co-opt you into voting for another puppet party.
I think its funny how the sheep make all kinds of excuses for the fascists when they attack without provocation. But a small group of Anarchists usings much less lethal force, and using that force for defense (the fascists started firing first this time as well) and they condemn them.
@TheMarkneisler The black bloc showed up in a large crowd of peaceful protesters to incite violence. They caused people who were being left to assemble peacefully to get tear gassed. If they want to non-peaceful protests, they should start their own rally and not involve those choosing to protest peacefully. If some dick throwing things at the cops causes me to get shot, I'd blame him just as much if not more than the cop.
@Woofendog First of all most anarchists I know are smarter then this and are still waiting on the side lines. It was not a strategic move I will admit this. But if it turns out to be a small group of anarchists and not provocateurs as it was at the WTO.(pigs dressed up in black). They had every right to defend themselves. What caused the cops to fire into the crowd last time? The truth is people had less traumatic injuries this time when fighting back.( again if they arent actually cops)
@TheMarkneisler The crowd became violent and the police responded. youtube(dot)com/watch?v=eHlHiNEZ1wA Replace (dot) with .
Thus, no, they had no right to defend themselves, because they were the instigators. Nice try, "anarchist". Are you typing this out on your iPhone or a tablet? And sitting in Starbucks? Hahahaha.
@benreilly5467 They had right to retaliation for last weeks attack, and there are innumerable things that the oakland police have done to people that I don't have enough room to write here. But if you want to take the time to research you will find quite easily.
@TheMarkneisler What do past incidents of supposed police brutality have to do with Occupy Oakland? Apparently you're part of the crowd that has no clue what the movement is about. And btw, people don't get to assemble mobs to retalioate against the police or anyone else. You should research the law, hahaha.
@benreilly5467 I didn't say anything about law or the constitution. I said they have the same ethics regarding use of force. You should follow a conversation.
@TheMarkneisler Just because you didn't mention them doesn't mean they don't apply to you, me, or anyone else, which is why you mistakenly believe you're justified in touting "ethics" as an excuse for the poor behavior of the protestors. Lobbing bottles and M80s wasn't very ethical, but it was also illegal, and thus, they were dispersed. All caught up?
@TheMarkneisler Oh, so you have a legal explaination as to why the crowd is allowed to instigate violence? Oh, you don't, and thus a pathetic attempt at interjecting recycled rhetoric in place of logic or sense. You can ignore what happened all you want, it doesn't make you any less wrong. Or obnoxious. Hahaha.
@benreilly5467 I had no intention of arguing laws. None of my post's mentioned them. I am aware of laws and what they are. They are spider webs for the rich and mighty, steal chains for the poor and weak, and fishing nets in the hands of governments. I do not wish to use them in my argument and thus don't.
@benreilly5467 asking an anarchist to argue in support of laws is like asking an athiest to argue in support of religion. If you would like to use logic then we may have a conversation.
@TheMarkneisler Hahaha, well, congrats, you've officially won the argument for me. See, you, nor anyone else, can dismiss the law just because you want to. Thus, your entire argument is rendered moot because you seem to think (snicker) that declaring yourself exempt of the law is a legitimate excuse. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Wow, thanks man, now I have a legit excuse to ignore you. You're nuts. Later, moron. I'll be sure to shoot you down if I see you elsewhere on here.
@benreilly5467 actually it is you that prove your ignorance, congress, judges, and the elite are exempt from the law. Why don't you google United States Code: Title 18,241. Conspiracy against rights. And then go google the patriot act. Then tell me why any congressman that voted in favor of it has not been executed.
@benreilly5467 I can give innumerable example of people exempt from the laws. But it can be summed up as the elite or powerful or those in positions of power(police) are exempt. As I stated.
@Woofendog and it was anarchists that organized the whole occupy movement perhaps you should go start your own protests. (do some research on adbusters and anonymous.)
@TheMarkneisler you are wrong. i'm no anarchist, and i've been, along with many who are not anarchists, organizing this movement and many of the actions taken by the movement.
@wiseoldsnail Mark here is just a shit starting trustfund baby who speaks of anarchy and knows nothing but a life of order and privilege. Ignore him, dude. He's trash. Just shoot down his claims when you come across them, he doesn't want to reason with you.
@Woofendog wikipedia has a very informative series. Things you can thank anarchists for 1. The eight hour work day. 2. The ACLU 3. The free speech movement in the 60's 4. Fighting the Nazis first before anyone else. 5. Many local food and co-operative movements. 6. preventing many reactionary laws in the spanish civil war. 7. many unions. 8. bringing awareness to the unjust treatment of homosexuals long before anyone else. 9. The few freedoms you have left. You are welcome.
@TheMarkneisler feel free to cite proof of these things. the 8 hour workday alone was a direct result of union activity. you may say (for which i'll gladly await proof) that anarchists started the unions, but by the time some of these things happened, it was unions, not anarchists, fighting for these rights and protections. next you'll be telling us that anarchists won us our civil rights in the country (for which, btw, we are still fighting)
@Woofendog and We really don't appreciate the left trying to co-opt and calling for equal slavery. Corporations are government entities. They work hand-in-hand with the government to destroy liberty and individual rights. They destroy the environment. They rely on the government for special favors to ensure their success and when they fail, huge handouts. They cannot exist without the government and this government's politicians cannot thrive the way they do without the corporations.
@TheMarkneisler Wow, six separate replies, all from you. You should probably learn to be more concise. The assumptions you are regurgitating are meaningless. A black bloc doesn't represent all anarchists, nor do you, so calling yourself "we" is utter bullshit. If people were turning a peaceful demonstration into a violent one, they are shitty people, regardless of any of your contrite defensiveness. Waving an anarcho syndicalist flag around doesn't mean that you are always in the right.
@Woofendog guess I had a lot to say. I think we just dissagree on who turned it violent. I saw american citizens sent to the hospital before I ever saw the black bloc retaliate.
@TheMarkneisler Yes, said a lot. On one hand you say it is going to come to force, implying people should protest more violently. On the other hand you say that the people trying to riot were actually cops trying to start a riot, not actual protesters. Either way, you seem to be in favor of turning what has been a peaceful protest into a violent one, and involving peaceful protesters whether they want to be involved or not. As if peaceful assembly wasn't brutalized enough, you want to cause more
@Woofendog No I would love for the powers to be to walk away peacefully and leave us alone and free. I just feel every living organism has a right to self defense including retaliation( which is just delayed defense, what you are supposed to wait for them to attack again and lose more people?). I also stated I am not sure it wasn't cops as they have pulled this shit before.
@TheMarkneisler It's called black bloc tactics, look it up. Self defense against what, the crowd started the violence, and has everytime thus far in Occupy Oakland.
@benreilly5467 this is not remotely true. the police began violent tactics last tuesday morning, and continued those tactics late into the night. throughout the weeks leading up to that day, then all morning and into the night police received no real threats or acts of violence. they received alot of insults after tossing tear gas on unarmed sleepy campers, and chose to react to insults and statements of noncooperation, with illegal extreme use of more force.
It was a night of violence competely instigated by the anarchists amongst the protestors. Sleepy campers, lol, illegal campers who left a wake of shit, piss, and dirty needles.
@TheMarkneisler Nothing in the constitution says anything about camping in a public park. And I guess you haven't seen the big ass camp in front of city hall? Yosemite my ass.
@wiseoldsnail So are you a lying animal that twists the facts or an imbecile who resides nowhere fucking near this swarm of idiocy? Get your facts straight before bullshitting next time.
@Woofendog saying something is likely to come to force doesn't remotely suggest that people should protest more violently. your own logic fails. believing this is likely to come to force means we should prepare, each as we can, a plan for when the police become violent. that plan differs based on everything from a person's physical ability to a person's (often trumped up) criminal record.
It is not our desire to participate in violence, but it is even less our desire to lose. If we do not resist, actively, when they come to take what we have won back, then we will surely lose. Do not confuse the tactics that we used when we shouted “peaceful” with fetishizing nonviolence; if the state had given up immediately we would have been overjoyed, but as they sought to abuse us, beat us, kill us, we knew that there was no other option than to fight back.
@TheMarkneisler Resist what? You seem to be one of the black bloc anarchists, which would mean you're either one of the pieces of shit destroying the city in a self-indulgent tantrum or an animal sitting on the sidelines supporting these pieces of trash. If the "state" was so inclined to control you, then how are you able to type what you're typing on corporate youtube without having your door kicked in?
Had we laid down and allowed ourselves to be arrested, tortured, and martyred to “make a point”, we would be no less bloodied, beaten and dead. Be prepared to defend these things you have occupied, that you are building, because, after everything else has been taken from us, these reclaimed spaces are so very precious.
@benreilly5467 Let me try and put this into language the average fox viewer can understand. I was replying to your comment about me using quotations freely. As far as the black bloc is concerned I am not a member. Though I am an anarchist. And I do have the same ethical constraints regarding use of force. And I think that until the black bloc lobs depleted uranium weapons into innocent civillian populations that all the arms of our fascist state have no ground to stand on criticizing them.
@TheMarkneisler (Snicker) black bloc is a method of protest, not a group. It's nice to see "anarchists" have time for corporate-run youtube and consumer electronics. Do you have a membership card? Could you be any more phony? Your simian ire betrays a hubris obtained through a life of entitlement. You support senseless violence and posture with such an air of misbegotten loftiness as to be laughable. But please, continue to embarass yourself.
@benreilly5467 Sorry for the delay. Black bloc is a political (or anti-political depending on how you look at it) group. It is the anarcho-syndicalists. Unfortunately I have no further time for this because despite your assumptions I have never taken a handout in my life and am quite busy.
@TheMarkneisler Oh, and btw? Making presumptions about people's viewing choices is a good way to announce just how desperate you are to shift the spotlight from the glaring contradictions and nonsense in your previous statements pointed out for all to see. Thankfully, I was able to address both your failed attempt at a diversion and bring your ignorance to light. Cheers.
@TheMarkneisler And speaking of fox, you are aware that msnbc is equally blind and biased, yes? That the elitist right and ignorant left are both just as guilty of spreading misinformation? That your better off taking ALL shit corporate news with a grain of salt? I prefer KRON, myself, but even they're not that reliable.
@benreilly5467 kron is beyond not reliable. they claimed direct personal knowledge of campers tear gassing ourselves, after being told that by police. several hours later, police changed their story and kron was left with the lie exposed. also, kron uses language such as 'this is the mess left by campers at #occupyoakland' when they knew for a fact that there was no mess until police came and destroyed our property.
@TheMarkneisler you don't seem to understand the way this government is supposed to operate. now i'm not saying it shouldn't change, but the bulk of the problems we face are from corruption in government, not by definition of the type of government. corruption::: elected and appointed 'officials' taking bribes to make legislative decisions which allow for the people and our planet to be destroyed for the benefit of very few.
I think they Occupy movement needs to set a plan into action for dealing with instigators. In this situation the peaceful outnumber the trouble makers substantially. I'm not suggesting violence but interference by sheer numbers.
We must support each other. Vets and others need to step up to the plate and flank the cops. Bring your training, your rifle and 1000 rounds in mags and a level head. The cops must neve be allowed to abuse us, else it will only get worse. Stupid pigs are destroying their childrens' and our childrens' future. We MUST show up ARMED!
Hey look at us!--(Me!)--Hey look at us!--(Me!)....The Occupy fad is all about expecting someone else to solve the problem---Google "Warren Buffett tells CNBC how to end the deficit" and memorize Mr. Buffet's one page plan for fixing Congress---your reaction to his suggestions will be--"I can't believe this shit hasn't been done already.."----No other changes will matter unless we also implement his plan---check it out or fuck off.
Yes in greece whenever they throw tear gas people put on their gas masks and dont leave and those people act like they got hit by a car because police threw five flash gernedas in athens general strike they threw about 800 tear gas and 800 flash gernades and no one were leaving ( sorry for my bad english) just those people are not enough organized
@Ac3285 Probably because most people are just peaceful persons. They aren't attacked everyday... they are not used to that violence against them, and if it is a peaceful demonstration you have to add the surprise factor. Because many people can't believe that they are being attacked by the police, probably for the first time of their life, and without committing a crime...
"Warren Buffett tells CNBC how to end the deficit"----I'd personally rather see straight-up anarchy than foolishness---but if you FOOLS want to do more than simply yak about the problems and watch the neo-hippies film themselves being amazed at the seriousness of the Gestapo---Google the quoted text---Mr. Buffet's plan is a doable meaningful recipe for starting America down a much improved path---go there--read that--do that---or just shut the fuck up.
It is too bad that the trouble makers are in there, on both sides. It is the cops responsibility to see to it that the peaceful demonstrators are not collectively punished along with the few trouble makers. There is an alternative and the police are escalating this in an unconstitutional way.
Looking through my pictures I have found one Oakland Police officer: Tim Scarrott, who shot and killed a fellow officer (William Wilkins) in 2001. Wilkins was undercover at the time. He is shining a bright LED flashlight into peaceful demonstrators faces.
Hard to know, but sure seems the ones smashing & burning are simply making it much easier for the cops to clear the streets--and for mainstream America to then support such police actions.<
FPS! lol
Blacuchops 1 month ago
There is no possible way to get anything through matters of peace anymore. This whole world is so corrupt. The elites do not care about any of us.
NewMadrid01 1 month ago
peaceful protests dont work!!
quoe1 3 months ago in playlist Favorite videos
anyone notice we are using more force and injuring more people than the Egyptian dictatorship during the revolution? WOW america fuck this i'm off to Canada....
spacegeeks3 3 months ago in playlist More videos from AbbyMediaRoots
The image of thousands of ordinary citizens of all ages, races & backgrounds handily marching on the banks and later on the Port, was too dangerous & strong an image for the rest of America & the world to see. So, right on cue, just like in cities before, up pop the mysterious masked pseudo-ninjas with their unmistakeable whiff of suburbia to light some trash cans on fire, break some windows & lob a few bottles at riot cops before running away (safe & sound just like the 1% they work for.)
JJNoire 4 months ago
@JJNoire it's not "mysterious", these people have been active in oakland, and in occupy, for ages. remember the Oscar Grant riots? we were there. remember how the GA passed a motion to ban police from the plaza? that was us, among others.
have you seen the videos of the cops shooting that guy in the face with a tear gas canister a few days ago?
the people who immediately rush to help him, despite being shot at themselves, are all black bloc.
stop shit talking us, we just want to help.
anarcrustie 3 months ago
@anarcrustie You do your research. I was there, as well as the 25th & got gassed. If the Traveler's Aid building was to be truly occupied successfully, getting in there & getting set up before alerting the riot cops would have made more sense (duh.) I've got no love for the cops or anyone else whose excuse is 'just following orders.' But if that was an example of "strategy," go back to the drawing board. I'm aware that diverse tactics were voted in - as they should be - but this was failure.
JJNoire 3 months ago
@JJNoire i don't think anyone intentionally alerted the riot cops, they just miscalculated. the cops had been relatively absent, we thought we had a bigger window of opportunity than we did. we fucked up. but we aren't cops or infiltrators.
also, i know telling you to do more research was condescending as hell given that you were there, and i apologize. but why are you talking about the general strike being "peaceful" and black bloc being "mysterious" or provocateurs? this stuff is clearly bull
anarcrustie 3 months ago
@anarcrustie I meant 'mysterious' as in timing -- similar protests elsewhere have resulted in similarly ill-timed incidents where one diversity of tactic cancelled out another. That's not helping each other.
As far as thinking you had more time, there were multiple helicopters & a plane circulating non stop over head all day & eve watching. It felt like a quiet build up on their side (to me) as the evening progressed.
JJNoire 3 months ago
@JJNoire what tactic was canceled by this?
anarcrustie 3 months ago
@anarcrustie the 10,000 people who marched from 9 am to 10:30 pm Those images of entire families swarming over a freeway overpass to close a major US Port. That tactic. Every news since about a couple hours of lit trash cans far, far away from the real villains of power. Alexander Berkman took it to Frick. He didn't bother breaking "symbols of power" or light a trash fire down the street from an anarchist meeting spot. Taking Trav Aid blg better done a day or two later in daytime, peacefully
JJNoire 3 months ago
@JJNoire egh, i disagree. i've seen more international news about the port shutdown than this. that was too big for them to silence with a couple of burning trash cans.
but even if the media blacked out the port shutdown completely, doesn't the corporate media black-out radical events regardless? the media are our enemies, they will always do their best to make us look bad.
also, what do you think of the black bloc attacks on banks that took place earlier in the day?
anarcrustie 3 months ago
Strategy over showboating.
JJNoire 3 months ago
@JJNoire yes. but solidarity not shit-talk, even with folks whos strategy isn't perfect.
anarcrustie 3 months ago
You were an eyewitness & say that the cops avoided going after the masked Black Bloc'ers. What does that tell you about who was on who's side?
Anarchism: it is a philosophy that prefers creation to violence & violence only when necessary, not randomly. The Black Bloc actions that night clearly were not intended to actually be successful in converting a long vacant building for community use, but to create an emergency news distraction from the thousands who marched over the previous 13+ hours.
JJNoire 4 months ago
Abby, those weren't "anarchists" no matter what they call themselves. They are no different from Republican saber-rattlers or the young testosterone jocks who are easy fodder for military recruiters on high school campuses. This is simply "the side" they picked. There is a time to face off with cops/military and a time not to. Immediately following the highly successful & peaceful General Strike was not one of those times. Infiltrators, uncover cops provoking a scene to eclipse the GenStrike
JJNoire 4 months ago
@JJNoire You are absolutely right. Anarchism is philosophically peaceful and I shouldn't have made that generalization. Interestingly enough, the police didn't attempt to single out the easy-to-distinguish "Black Bloc" individuals who were actually instigating violence, instead they used horrendous methods of crowd control on thousands of people.
AbbyMediaRoots 4 months ago
@AbbyMediaRoots no one was instigating violence. i see no black bloc in here. and even at that, define violence. i think you need to look at what the black bloc tatic really is.
wtfisthatsmell 3 months ago
@JJNoire what? the general assembly passed a motion saying it would support all autonomous occupations of foreclosed buildings. people attempted this and were attacked by the police, and they attempted to defend themselves by building barricades and throwing tear gas canisters back at the cops. all of this was strategic.
p.s. this wasn't the first incident of confrontation in the general strike. the port shutdown was just as illegal, and anarchists were already smashing banks. do more research.
anarcrustie 3 months ago
@JJNoire anarchy means a lot of things to a lot of different people. black bloc is a tatic that can be used for the greater good.
wtfisthatsmell 3 months ago
@wtfisthatsmell Few images in the news of the ordinary folk- kids, elders, canes, wheelchairs, babies - unions, worker coops, etc who engaged in various marches 9 am -10:30 pm. Everything ended up being the late night riot. Timing & distraction is similar to Seattle, Toronto. Regular people protesting scares power more than 'vandalism." So who benefits from a nice flaming riot at midnight? The corps that own the news & the staus quo. Break mansion & country club windows, not your neighbors
JJNoire 3 months ago
@JJNoire
A) there was a black bloc at the anti-capitalist march earlier in the day, and presumably the same folks attended the port shutdown as well.
B) this group is also pretty diverse- a few look like black bloc, but most are wearing normal clothes and improvised masks. you see quite a few people of colour with bandanas or keffiyehs up throwing teargas canisters back at the cops.
overall, the divergence you are drawing between "regular people protesting" and "vandalism" is a media myth.
anarcrustie 3 months ago
@anarcrustie Again, "anacrustie," I was there. I'm not sure why you are steering your comments toward fashion statements, as that isn't the point. The point is failed strategy that puts others at risk without their input or consent. The 16tth & Telegraph action called cops down upon the camp and effected others who had chosen different tactics. Not 'reg vs vandals.' You removed their choice & made them 'collateral damage.' Who else does that? Oh yeah, the US military. Sure you're not a cop?
JJNoire 3 months ago
@JJNoire and also... the nazis! i'm probably a nazi, right?
no input or consent? the GA supported autonomous building occupations fool! also, once again, the entire day involved aggressive illegal tactics. folks showing up should have known what to expect.
also, this action has now been replicated in other cities, the tactic of autonomous building occupation is spreading, which the communique from this action states was the main goal. so successful action, even if botched?
anarcrustie 3 months ago
@JJNoire as for fashion statements, the argument i was responding to was that these images overshadowed and "canceled" images of the General Strike in the media. this assumes that media images can have an enlightening and even galvanizing effect, an assumption i'm willing to run with.
my point, then, was that the image of a large group of people, clearly from diverse cultural/political backgrounds, united by anonymity and defiantly confronting the police together is also powerfully positive.
anarcrustie 3 months ago
@JJNoire You've never heard propaganda of the deed?
Yeah I don't know why they keep advocating it either...
pitasmith1 3 months ago
Those punks are people hired by the elite to create order out of chaos. Demand elite members in big media, newspapers, online to bring it to justice and eventually joint. We know their names now... don't be an asshole going to the streets with this punks they are foreigners not american people. They want new world order global goverment food crisis economic chaos pretexts to invade small countries and obviously declare martial law ... don't do what they expect you do!
culerosargentinos 4 months ago
@culerosargentinos NWO is a satanic order of the ages religion secular new age racist order. MASONS are very willing to serve they Universe Arquitect Lucyfer and their fallen Angels and their deceiving manisfestations UFOS, ghost, aliens, andromedans, pleaiadans, dead spirits, demons teachings, religion infiltrators etc...
culerosargentinos 4 months ago
How productive! Soon there will be no such thing as rich people or banks! lol
82jonnydk 4 months ago
FUCK THE POLICE
KillerMRK 4 months ago
you can quietly protest and your voice will be louder than ever
in2win2382 4 months ago
Why provoke the police...... citizens sit down and be quite please stop making it a war when it doesn't have to be
in2win2382 4 months ago
the elites want war but they are not ready for real war on the streets of america,
dont force them to use riot gear and lrads and teargas and flash bang gernades,and microwave weapons, fore them to use jdams, predator drones, and assault weapons, see how the public opinion will turn then
bulletproof2353 4 months ago
when they toss over tear gas ,toss back a stick of dynamite, then you wil see how many cops will be volunteering to get dressed up in riot gear after 10 or 20 of them get vaporized at a time, these clashes have been going on for a decade now, i dont see any change ,they want to use military and war tactics against the people,a violation of posse comitatus ,then the people need to fight fire with hotter fire ,and use war tactics back ,
bulletproof2353 4 months ago
sure there are police provocateurs that pose as anarchist so they use them as an excuse to clamp down even more ,and to use a as media photo opp to gain public suppport against the protests, but how many times are the protesters going to through this and realize that nothing is changing, its not stoping the globalist agenda one bit, but if there going to be violent then go all out dont smash windows and lite fires,do what works,what worked in iraq? IED's and explosives are are a good start,
bulletproof2353 4 months ago
you have achieved red eyes and ringing ears isint real life revolution a bich dosent go like in some shitty hollywood movie now go home and tell you family what a patriots you are
isobodari1 4 months ago
Cheap Thrills! Anarchists, Anarchists, Anarchists. The anarchists in this video don't seem to have any real concept of strategy or Anarchy. This is a bunch of people trying to start confrontation so they could tell their friends what real heroes they were. Cowards are the ones who hold up peace signs after acting violently. Idiots are the ones that started fires without a real plan to defeat the numbers that came at them with tear gas. We are the other. Put yourselves in the place of another
iamweproductions 4 months ago
It's too bad standing and yelling the dominant method of protesting.
Sitting down and remaining quiet would be a better approach because it would make ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS look more foolish when they attack.
continuityofliberty 4 months ago 5
@continuityofliberty then maybe you should watch the mace spraying of the Occupiers in UC Davis, they all linked arms while sitting down & the riot cops replied that the protesters 'surrounded' the cops, resulting in their excessive force.
Whether we sit down or stand up, it will happen. It's the numbers we need, waking up the American Sheeple is a huge task, but it must happen. I was there & i watched as riot cops attacked us before they ever gave their dispersal warnings!!
DKingSoaD 1 month ago
We are winning world wide! (A)
blackmesa176 4 months ago
Look at 1:41 where the arrogant PIG approaches them with firepower and they hold up peace signs like weak obedient snivelling weasels!
Its all fun and games until reality hits these "peaceful" hippies
1:47 pleading with the GOD to NOT gas them please..These protesters dont even have guts. There were enough of them, they are too conditioned to male a difference, plain and simple!
agenthelios1 4 months ago
ATTENTION: These people a supported by the American Nazi and Communist partys
cullybog87 4 months ago
@cullybog87 ATTENTION: DON't FEED THE TROLLS
susu666 4 months ago
@cullybog87 That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Nazi's and Commies hate each other.
TheMarkneisler 4 months ago
ugh fuck cops. also fuck these anarchist, they aren't serious. all they want to do destroy shit and make it shitty for everyone else. they have no plan fucking idiots. hurrdurr lets destroy shit cus im mad, and then.... idk
mechazaowa 4 months ago
The IDIOTS probably don't know, but fires destroy the pavement.
koertje 4 months ago
@koertje Capitalizing the word 'idiots' doesn't make anyone pay more attention to you. The fires were lit in response to police action. I agree that they shouldn't have set them, but as they claim in the video it was an 'asshole anarchist' who set the fire. As OakFoSho stated, there's always some douchebags.
ZaphodX420 4 months ago 2
@ZaphodX420 It was not 1 asshole. Many paople were preparing the fire and the other "peacerfull' protesters could have stopped them, but they didn't.
koertje 4 months ago
@ZaphodX420 As much as I would like to believe the fires were lit in response to police action, it just isn't true. I was there the whole time and the police didn't start firing on the crowd until multiple trash cans along with the dumpster was aflame. However, it is still completely wrong for police to use such methods of crowd control, entire crowds of nonviolent people shouldn't be gassed or shot upon if one person lights something on fire or throws something.
AbbyMediaRoots 4 months ago
Making big fires and saying that they are peacefull. IDIOTS.
koertje 4 months ago
Fuckig Black Bloc is putting shame on the OWS movement.
kelvin0yt 4 months ago
"we, we, we." "We, the denizens of youtube think to project our opinion in representation of others, and if you disagree you are a pandering corporate apologist."
There are many perspectives and ideas. If you believe you can use others for fodder for your political beliefs, you are using people as pawns in your game. Consensus is about mutual agreement, not a minority of outspoken people making decisions for others and disregarding the beliefs of those people.
Stop the violence.
Woofendog 4 months ago
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Here's what REALLY happened in Oakland that day.
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klone138 4 months ago
Is a violent movement is entirely peaceful until the police arrive?
If you told officers to remove worshipers from churches across America starting this Sunday, it would not take long until the worshipers began to retaliate. But that does not mean that Christianity is a movement characterized by "violent thugs."
Is there any reason the safety or related concerns this particular movement brings could not be solved in a calm or rational manner? No, but some authorities choose not to try.
mikurukamui13 4 months ago
@mikurukamui13 Your comparison is laughable, because you ignore that the crowd attacked first. Their concerns are justified, the message is sound. The problem is that the group is infested with anarchists that they can't control or remove. Thus, violent action that requires a police response. Do some research next time.
benreilly5467 4 months ago
Our forfathers would have been shooting by now...
DHCMAV 4 months ago 10
@DHCMAV Well put. They were very restrained considering whats been done.
TheMarkneisler 4 months ago
These "occupy" mobs have proven themselves, over and over again, to be violent thugs. The "occupy" movement is all about violence and the use of violence to provoke the police. It is way past time for our police to use whatever means are necessary to control these mobs of violent thugs. Way past time for our elected politicians to order the police to do so and to provide the police with the backing they need to protect the citizens from these violent "occupy" thugs.
krag30 4 months ago
@krag30 feel free to define 'violence' since you seem to be confused as to it's definition. we have not been violent. we are feeding and giving tent space and blankets to the homeless, poor, hungry. we are meeting regularly to address the injustice of a system which rewards greed. what have you done for anyone today, except incite more police violence?
wiseoldsnail 4 months ago
There are probably police plants in the crowd for various purposes.
gwuengr2 4 months ago
I think occupying the building with GA approval makes a strong statement against this upside down system of capitalist values putting private property rights above everything else to the extend that an empty building is kept empty because a bank can't make money on it. We need to repudiate that value system. We have our own value system that is in direct conflict with that. We have the moral high ground and should not lose it. The system is scared, rightly. That is a good thing.
Giovanni1972 4 months ago 2
@Giovanni1972 Well said. Might I suggest searching "Alan Watts Money" on Youtube.
TheMarkneisler 4 months ago
They needed to go about occupying the former homeless service building foreclosed by the bank in a more open way. Build up support and make it official so the media can't try to distort it, and divide people, twisting the facts. I think occupying the empty building to be run by and for the people would win overwhelming consensus and support. Lets see the cops try to take it away when we are there at 10,000!
Giovanni1972 4 months ago
I was there. AT 11 50 pm, after only a short time after forming their line, they shot tear gas and stun grenades at the crowd. This was BEFORE anyone lit fires, threw anything, etc. And despite media reports to the contrary, they did not issue a warning. Later they issued warnings, but the first attack of tear gas was done so without it, starting the violent confrontation. I was to the side and in audible range when I witnessed this, from their onset until the actual attack.
Giovanni1972 4 months ago
violin player at the end was a nice touch.
Caligula916 4 months ago
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ftlqed 4 months ago
@ftlqed
actually there is an occupy sacramento.
Caligula916 4 months ago
Mummar Ghadafi reincarnated as Oakland Mayor. Watch as the dictator enforces her iron-fist despotism on the protestors. Down with the Oakland mayor and city government. Power to the people of Oakland, the 99%.
MrMichaelgrafravens 4 months ago
@MrMichaelgrafravens Quan's trash, but so are the anarchists shitting in public and lighting dumpsters on fire. Shut your hole, animal.
benreilly5467 4 months ago
@benreilly5467
Its important to note that the dumpster were not lit on fire until AFTER the police attacked with tear gas. The fire helped to dissipate the chemical agents used by the police. I do think the window breaking afterwards serves no valid purpose, though...
Giovanni1972 4 months ago
@Giovanni1972 You're an idiot. Even IF that were true, once the cops have told your criminal asses to disperse, you don't get to resist, you get the fuck lost. This isn't a playground bitch fight, moron.
benreilly5467 4 months ago
@benreilly5467
Btw, you are lying about the anarchist defecating in public. Where are you getting that info from? You like to call a lot of people names, and try to bully them into silence. But no, he should not shut up. Who are you to tell people to shut up or call them animals, etc? All humans are animals, btw. Try to be civil or it means you are a very weak, pathetic person who can't express themselves intelligently. 5 year olds use the name calling tactic. It doesn't work on adults.
Giovanni1972 4 months ago
@Giovanni1972 The campers shit, pissed, and left dirty needles in Ogawa Plaza. People who research and state the truth deserve cility, not children who bend reality to cover up for their bad behavior.
benreilly5467 4 months ago
2:40
sheatheman 4 months ago
BRING GAS MASKS!
sheatheman 4 months ago
@sheatheman Yeah, to block the smell of human waste coming from the camp at Ogawa.
benreilly5467 4 months ago
@benreilly5467 that too
sheatheman 4 months ago
Assemble the militias, its time to put the cops in check. Why are you going be afraid of the cops. Assemble the militias, we have the CONSTITUTION which allows the assembly of militias. We the People have LAW on our side the police are under statutes not law so assemble the militias and bring the artillery cause the COPS ARE BREAKING THE LAW every time theY fire on THE PEOPLE.
boballs13 4 months ago
@boballs13 Yawn. Nope. Penal code section 723-727. 726.
Where any number of persons, whether armed or not, are
unlawfully or riotously assembled, the sheriff of the county and his
or her deputies, the officials governing the town or city, or any of
them, must go among the persons assembled, or as near to them as
possible, and command them, in the name of the people of the state,
immediately to disperse.
That took me ten seconds to look up, anarchist.
benreilly5467 4 months ago 2
@benreilly5467 i mistakenly gave this a thumbs up, which i'll go ahead and give for looking something up. meanwhile, if the people are gathering under protection of the first amendment, the police have no such power. in this case, the police repeatedly attacked a peacefully assembled crowd of unarmed, non threatening citizens, whose gathering is, indeed, protected by the first amendment.
wiseoldsnail 4 months ago
@wiseoldsnail I guess you can't read. Or watch videos. Or use your brain. The crowd was violent. Thus, the law I listed above very much applied to them. Thus, you're full of shit. Don't believe me? Then try doing a little research and see what happened. Or drag your lazy ass away from the internet and see for yourself. Lobbed bottles, M80, 1000s, paint, yeah, that's a peaceful crowd. You're a fact twisting piece of garbage.
benreilly5467 4 months ago
i don't have to read or watch video to know what was happening, since i was there. were you? i was there last tuesday from five o'clock in the morning and throughout the day into the night. were you? police have no right to assault people for standing in the street. police have no right to disperse a crowd of peaceful protesters. if they wanted to chase down a few unruly folks, they have to do that with care and consideration of the general unarmed, peaceful public. paint is not a weapon.
wiseoldsnail 4 months ago
@wiseoldsnail Why do you think I asked? Police didn't assault, the crowd attacked first. Paint is not a weapon? Are you a fucking moron? Neither are bottles. The point is YOU CAN'T THROW JACK SHIT, YOU IGNORANT FUCKING MORON. The SECOND a son of a bitch tosses anything with malicious intent they're breaking the law, PERIOD, you stupid asshole. Go read the law, animal. Have fun continuing to undermine what the occupiers are trying to fight for with your anarchist bullshit.
benreilly5467 4 months ago
In a Police State the Police are always busy...smdh
IceManLikeGervin 4 months ago
Is this fucking America?
thezoombini 4 months ago
americans are so submissed that why your country never changes.. in europe this happens and we change things thats why we used to have social benefits till your politicians and goverment fucked it up for us
rek2gnulinux 4 months ago
The Occupy movement must work to police itself, to prevent violence within its ranks. The rock throwers must be "arrested" by the Occupy majority. The fires started must be put out by the Occupy people.
Give the police no excuse. Show the anti-occupy people that they are wrong. Have them face their inhumanity.
drfoxcourt 4 months ago
the mf greedy reptilians will kill many millions of brave americans
---GODD BLESS THE GREAT AND BEAUTIFUL AMERICAN PEOPLE
rossym123 4 months ago
All you're doing is assisting the police in testing new tactics.
You're nothing but a bunch of human guinea pigs.
jtbpnw 4 months ago
STUPID COPS It is also for your future band troll
MrBlackhat2719 4 months ago
Eventually its gonna come down to force. These people kill presidents and prime ministers. They won't hesitate to kill every protester if they have to. Either that or they will co-opt you into voting for another puppet party.
TheMarkneisler 4 months ago
I think its funny how the sheep make all kinds of excuses for the fascists when they attack without provocation. But a small group of Anarchists usings much less lethal force, and using that force for defense (the fascists started firing first this time as well) and they condemn them.
TheMarkneisler 4 months ago
@TheMarkneisler The black bloc showed up in a large crowd of peaceful protesters to incite violence. They caused people who were being left to assemble peacefully to get tear gassed. If they want to non-peaceful protests, they should start their own rally and not involve those choosing to protest peacefully. If some dick throwing things at the cops causes me to get shot, I'd blame him just as much if not more than the cop.
Woofendog 4 months ago
@Woofendog First of all most anarchists I know are smarter then this and are still waiting on the side lines. It was not a strategic move I will admit this. But if it turns out to be a small group of anarchists and not provocateurs as it was at the WTO.(pigs dressed up in black). They had every right to defend themselves. What caused the cops to fire into the crowd last time? The truth is people had less traumatic injuries this time when fighting back.( again if they arent actually cops)
TheMarkneisler 4 months ago
@TheMarkneisler The crowd became violent and the police responded. youtube(dot)com/watch?v=eHlHiNEZ1wA Replace (dot) with .
Thus, no, they had no right to defend themselves, because they were the instigators. Nice try, "anarchist". Are you typing this out on your iPhone or a tablet? And sitting in Starbucks? Hahahaha.
benreilly5467 4 months ago
@benreilly5467 They had right to retaliation for last weeks attack, and there are innumerable things that the oakland police have done to people that I don't have enough room to write here. But if you want to take the time to research you will find quite easily.
TheMarkneisler 4 months ago
@TheMarkneisler What do past incidents of supposed police brutality have to do with Occupy Oakland? Apparently you're part of the crowd that has no clue what the movement is about. And btw, people don't get to assemble mobs to retalioate against the police or anyone else. You should research the law, hahaha.
benreilly5467 4 months ago
@benreilly5467 I didn't say anything about law or the constitution. I said they have the same ethics regarding use of force. You should follow a conversation.
TheMarkneisler 4 months ago
@TheMarkneisler Just because you didn't mention them doesn't mean they don't apply to you, me, or anyone else, which is why you mistakenly believe you're justified in touting "ethics" as an excuse for the poor behavior of the protestors. Lobbing bottles and M80s wasn't very ethical, but it was also illegal, and thus, they were dispersed. All caught up?
benreilly5467 4 months ago
@benreilly5467 I am sorry your thinking is backwards. Laws are beholden to the people not the other way around.
TheMarkneisler 4 months ago
@TheMarkneisler Oh, so you have a legal explaination as to why the crowd is allowed to instigate violence? Oh, you don't, and thus a pathetic attempt at interjecting recycled rhetoric in place of logic or sense. You can ignore what happened all you want, it doesn't make you any less wrong. Or obnoxious. Hahaha.
benreilly5467 4 months ago
@benreilly5467 I had no intention of arguing laws. None of my post's mentioned them. I am aware of laws and what they are. They are spider webs for the rich and mighty, steal chains for the poor and weak, and fishing nets in the hands of governments. I do not wish to use them in my argument and thus don't.
TheMarkneisler 4 months ago
@TheMarkneisler Agreed!
agenthelios1 4 months ago
@benreilly5467 asking an anarchist to argue in support of laws is like asking an athiest to argue in support of religion. If you would like to use logic then we may have a conversation.
TheMarkneisler 4 months ago
@TheMarkneisler Hahaha, well, congrats, you've officially won the argument for me. See, you, nor anyone else, can dismiss the law just because you want to. Thus, your entire argument is rendered moot because you seem to think (snicker) that declaring yourself exempt of the law is a legitimate excuse. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Wow, thanks man, now I have a legit excuse to ignore you. You're nuts. Later, moron. I'll be sure to shoot you down if I see you elsewhere on here.
benreilly5467 4 months ago
@benreilly5467 actually it is you that prove your ignorance, congress, judges, and the elite are exempt from the law. Why don't you google United States Code: Title 18,241. Conspiracy against rights. And then go google the patriot act. Then tell me why any congressman that voted in favor of it has not been executed.
TheMarkneisler 4 months ago
@benreilly5467 Oakland police also appear to be exempt.
TheMarkneisler 4 months ago
@benreilly5467 I can give innumerable example of people exempt from the laws. But it can be summed up as the elite or powerful or those in positions of power(police) are exempt. As I stated.
TheMarkneisler 4 months ago
@Woofendog and it was anarchists that organized the whole occupy movement perhaps you should go start your own protests. (do some research on adbusters and anonymous.)
TheMarkneisler 4 months ago
@TheMarkneisler you are wrong. i'm no anarchist, and i've been, along with many who are not anarchists, organizing this movement and many of the actions taken by the movement.
wiseoldsnail 4 months ago
@wiseoldsnail Mark here is just a shit starting trustfund baby who speaks of anarchy and knows nothing but a life of order and privilege. Ignore him, dude. He's trash. Just shoot down his claims when you come across them, he doesn't want to reason with you.
benreilly5467 4 months ago
@Woofendog google anarchism and study before you condemn.
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@TheMarkneisler feel free to cite proof of these things. the 8 hour workday alone was a direct result of union activity. you may say (for which i'll gladly await proof) that anarchists started the unions, but by the time some of these things happened, it was unions, not anarchists, fighting for these rights and protections. next you'll be telling us that anarchists won us our civil rights in the country (for which, btw, we are still fighting)
wiseoldsnail 4 months ago
@Woofendog and We really don't appreciate the left trying to co-opt and calling for equal slavery. Corporations are government entities. They work hand-in-hand with the government to destroy liberty and individual rights. They destroy the environment. They rely on the government for special favors to ensure their success and when they fail, huge handouts. They cannot exist without the government and this government's politicians cannot thrive the way they do without the corporations.
TheMarkneisler 4 months ago
@Woofendog Why would you, on the one hand, be opposed to corporations and yet support the same government when it serves you?
TheMarkneisler 4 months ago
@TheMarkneisler Wow, six separate replies, all from you. You should probably learn to be more concise. The assumptions you are regurgitating are meaningless. A black bloc doesn't represent all anarchists, nor do you, so calling yourself "we" is utter bullshit. If people were turning a peaceful demonstration into a violent one, they are shitty people, regardless of any of your contrite defensiveness. Waving an anarcho syndicalist flag around doesn't mean that you are always in the right.
Woofendog 4 months ago
@Woofendog guess I had a lot to say. I think we just dissagree on who turned it violent. I saw american citizens sent to the hospital before I ever saw the black bloc retaliate.
TheMarkneisler 4 months ago
@TheMarkneisler Yes, said a lot. On one hand you say it is going to come to force, implying people should protest more violently. On the other hand you say that the people trying to riot were actually cops trying to start a riot, not actual protesters. Either way, you seem to be in favor of turning what has been a peaceful protest into a violent one, and involving peaceful protesters whether they want to be involved or not. As if peaceful assembly wasn't brutalized enough, you want to cause more
Woofendog 4 months ago
@Woofendog No I would love for the powers to be to walk away peacefully and leave us alone and free. I just feel every living organism has a right to self defense including retaliation( which is just delayed defense, what you are supposed to wait for them to attack again and lose more people?). I also stated I am not sure it wasn't cops as they have pulled this shit before.
TheMarkneisler 4 months ago
@TheMarkneisler It's called black bloc tactics, look it up. Self defense against what, the crowd started the violence, and has everytime thus far in Occupy Oakland.
benreilly5467 4 months ago
@benreilly5467 this is not remotely true. the police began violent tactics last tuesday morning, and continued those tactics late into the night. throughout the weeks leading up to that day, then all morning and into the night police received no real threats or acts of violence. they received alot of insults after tossing tear gas on unarmed sleepy campers, and chose to react to insults and statements of noncooperation, with illegal extreme use of more force.
wiseoldsnail 4 months ago
@wiseoldsnail The police warned for several days previous and that morning that the campers were to vacate. They refused, resisted, and were arrested.
The protestors did attack first: youtube(dot)com/watch?v=eHlHiNEZ1wA replace (dot) with .
youtube(dot)com/watch?v=oEUycHFQmC0 Protestors lobbing paint.
It was a night of violence competely instigated by the anarchists amongst the protestors. Sleepy campers, lol, illegal campers who left a wake of shit, piss, and dirty needles.
benreilly5467 4 months ago
@benreilly5467 Constitutional law trumps statutory law. If they wanted to camp they would go to yosemite.
TheMarkneisler 4 months ago
@TheMarkneisler Nothing in the constitution says anything about camping in a public park. And I guess you haven't seen the big ass camp in front of city hall? Yosemite my ass.
benreilly5467 4 months ago
@wiseoldsnail So are you a lying animal that twists the facts or an imbecile who resides nowhere fucking near this swarm of idiocy? Get your facts straight before bullshitting next time.
benreilly5467 4 months ago
@Woofendog saying something is likely to come to force doesn't remotely suggest that people should protest more violently. your own logic fails. believing this is likely to come to force means we should prepare, each as we can, a plan for when the police become violent. that plan differs based on everything from a person's physical ability to a person's (often trumped up) criminal record.
wiseoldsnail 4 months ago
It is not our desire to participate in violence, but it is even less our desire to lose. If we do not resist, actively, when they come to take what we have won back, then we will surely lose. Do not confuse the tactics that we used when we shouted “peaceful” with fetishizing nonviolence; if the state had given up immediately we would have been overjoyed, but as they sought to abuse us, beat us, kill us, we knew that there was no other option than to fight back.
TheMarkneisler 4 months ago
@TheMarkneisler Resist what? You seem to be one of the black bloc anarchists, which would mean you're either one of the pieces of shit destroying the city in a self-indulgent tantrum or an animal sitting on the sidelines supporting these pieces of trash. If the "state" was so inclined to control you, then how are you able to type what you're typing on corporate youtube without having your door kicked in?
benreilly5467 4 months ago
Had we laid down and allowed ourselves to be arrested, tortured, and martyred to “make a point”, we would be no less bloodied, beaten and dead. Be prepared to defend these things you have occupied, that you are building, because, after everything else has been taken from us, these reclaimed spaces are so very precious.
- Egyptian Revolutionaries
24th of October, 2011
TheMarkneisler 4 months ago
@TheMarkneisler Before making "quotations" you should find out what's actually going on, as opposed to trying to be dramatic.
benreilly5467 4 months ago
@benreilly5467 Funny I thought this movement was about free speech and here you go trying to control it.
TheMarkneisler 4 months ago
@TheMarkneisler Free speech doesn't mean you get to set fire to dumpsters and prevent dock workers from going home, genius.
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TheMarkneisler 4 months ago
@benreilly5467 Let me try and put this into language the average fox viewer can understand. I was replying to your comment about me using quotations freely. As far as the black bloc is concerned I am not a member. Though I am an anarchist. And I do have the same ethical constraints regarding use of force. And I think that until the black bloc lobs depleted uranium weapons into innocent civillian populations that all the arms of our fascist state have no ground to stand on criticizing them.
TheMarkneisler 4 months ago
@TheMarkneisler (Snicker) black bloc is a method of protest, not a group. It's nice to see "anarchists" have time for corporate-run youtube and consumer electronics. Do you have a membership card? Could you be any more phony? Your simian ire betrays a hubris obtained through a life of entitlement. You support senseless violence and posture with such an air of misbegotten loftiness as to be laughable. But please, continue to embarass yourself.
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@benreilly5467 Sorry for the delay. Black bloc is a political (or anti-political depending on how you look at it) group. It is the anarcho-syndicalists. Unfortunately I have no further time for this because despite your assumptions I have never taken a handout in my life and am quite busy.
TheMarkneisler 4 months ago
@TheMarkneisler Oh, and btw? Making presumptions about people's viewing choices is a good way to announce just how desperate you are to shift the spotlight from the glaring contradictions and nonsense in your previous statements pointed out for all to see. Thankfully, I was able to address both your failed attempt at a diversion and bring your ignorance to light. Cheers.
benreilly5467 4 months ago
@TheMarkneisler And speaking of fox, you are aware that msnbc is equally blind and biased, yes? That the elitist right and ignorant left are both just as guilty of spreading misinformation? That your better off taking ALL shit corporate news with a grain of salt? I prefer KRON, myself, but even they're not that reliable.
benreilly5467 4 months ago
@benreilly5467 kron is beyond not reliable. they claimed direct personal knowledge of campers tear gassing ourselves, after being told that by police. several hours later, police changed their story and kron was left with the lie exposed. also, kron uses language such as 'this is the mess left by campers at #occupyoakland' when they knew for a fact that there was no mess until police came and destroyed our property.
wiseoldsnail 4 months ago
@wiseoldsnail Your people shit, pissed, and did drugs in an illegal camp, imbecile. Haha, nice try though.
benreilly5467 4 months ago
that includes the corporate media.
TheMarkneisler 4 months ago
@TheMarkneisler you don't seem to understand the way this government is supposed to operate. now i'm not saying it shouldn't change, but the bulk of the problems we face are from corruption in government, not by definition of the type of government. corruption::: elected and appointed 'officials' taking bribes to make legislative decisions which allow for the people and our planet to be destroyed for the benefit of very few.
wiseoldsnail 4 months ago
@wiseoldsnail google the Haymarket affair
TheMarkneisler 4 months ago
Black block was in toronto during the g20
1988scottcarey 4 months ago
Fight the Beast
Luskcreek1 4 months ago
it only takes a few people to turn a peaceful protest into this. Some people have no idea what these protests are all about.
CylenthVision 4 months ago
I think they Occupy movement needs to set a plan into action for dealing with instigators. In this situation the peaceful outnumber the trouble makers substantially. I'm not suggesting violence but interference by sheer numbers.
Kilobravo7305 4 months ago 3
@Kilobravo7305 we need to find out how to make some tear gas.
ruzzzler 4 months ago
We must support each other. Vets and others need to step up to the plate and flank the cops. Bring your training, your rifle and 1000 rounds in mags and a level head. The cops must neve be allowed to abuse us, else it will only get worse. Stupid pigs are destroying their childrens' and our childrens' future. We MUST show up ARMED!
Deathwhisperer42 4 months ago
thats how democracy works. isnt it?
kidata 4 months ago
Hey look at us!--(Me!)--Hey look at us!--(Me!)....The Occupy fad is all about expecting someone else to solve the problem---Google "Warren Buffett tells CNBC how to end the deficit" and memorize Mr. Buffet's one page plan for fixing Congress---your reaction to his suggestions will be--"I can't believe this shit hasn't been done already.."----No other changes will matter unless we also implement his plan---check it out or fuck off.
willybob22124 4 months ago
Yes in greece whenever they throw tear gas people put on their gas masks and dont leave and those people act like they got hit by a car because police threw five flash gernedas in athens general strike they threw about 800 tear gas and 800 flash gernades and no one were leaving ( sorry for my bad english) just those people are not enough organized
Ac3285 4 months ago 6
@Ac3285 Probably because most people are just peaceful persons. They aren't attacked everyday... they are not used to that violence against them, and if it is a peaceful demonstration you have to add the surprise factor. Because many people can't believe that they are being attacked by the police, probably for the first time of their life, and without committing a crime...
8DeaD7 4 months ago
"Warren Buffett tells CNBC how to end the deficit"----I'd personally rather see straight-up anarchy than foolishness---but if you FOOLS want to do more than simply yak about the problems and watch the neo-hippies film themselves being amazed at the seriousness of the Gestapo---Google the quoted text---Mr. Buffet's plan is a doable meaningful recipe for starting America down a much improved path---go there--read that--do that---or just shut the fuck up.
willybob22124 4 months ago
RED NATION NIKKAS
GwoodBloodz 4 months ago
peaceful protest yes. but we dont need to be peaceful to Black Bloc.
senatordeadbird 4 months ago
Black Bloc like protestors all over the world are sent in to incite riots and get the riot squads going.
If OWS protestors had any sense they would stay away from them.
Just my two cents.
RandomShellAccount 4 months ago
It is too bad that the trouble makers are in there, on both sides. It is the cops responsibility to see to it that the peaceful demonstrators are not collectively punished along with the few trouble makers. There is an alternative and the police are escalating this in an unconstitutional way.
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Luskcreek1 4 months ago
Looking through my pictures I have found one Oakland Police officer: Tim Scarrott, who shot and killed a fellow officer (William Wilkins) in 2001. Wilkins was undercover at the time. He is shining a bright LED flashlight into peaceful demonstrators faces.
ouroborical 4 months ago
Great work Media Roots!
Sorry you had to endure that awful tear gas!!
But Thank You for being there and filming it.
Hard to know, but sure seems the ones smashing & burning are simply making it much easier for the cops to clear the streets--and for mainstream America to then support such police actions.<