@littlebigtrain there is no such thing as conservation of angular momentum in the golf swing. it doesn't exist. i tell you what, you're never going to get any speed dragging the handle with the shaft leaning forward through impact. provided you get onto your lead leg, the angle you develop is released right from the top BUT it should not get completely straight until AFTER the ball. there is no holding anything. all you need is a shallow attack and a bit of forward shaft lean AT impact.
I don't know about "no such thing," since a lot of smart people--including Cochran and Stobbs--have said there is. But it's also true that to the extent that COAM makes you want to slow down your arms to the point of stopping them as force is slung into the clubhead, COAM may not be all good.
I do think you're basically right, though. It's crazy, seeing all these amateurs who have never learned to release fully and freely, talking about "lag" and "holding off" a release they've never learned in the first place. It destroys golf games to think that way. The clubhead passed Hogan's hands, it passed Nicklaus's hands, it passes every great player's hands, usually fractionally after to well after first contact. Shallowness is also critical to first-class striking.
What we're seeing is the very wide flat spot at the bottom of Noman's swing, which enabled him to keep the clubhead square to the target a long ways, and why he's the greatest driver of the golf ball ever.
Seems to lose some wrist hinge when club gets to parallel on downswing. And yet he still hits it far. Could the 90 degree wrist hinge at parallel on downswing be slightly overrated?
@remmy100 because he's a two planer a very slight casting of the club on the downswing is okay, it widens the angle a bit as the two plane swing is inherently steep.
@remmy100 Holding lag is not the end all be all to having plenty of power. There have been many golfers who released it a bit early and have had monster power - Jack, young tiger, and long distance legends mike austin and mike dunaway. There is also a sort of faux-lag that is caught in still shots when players use a ton of axis tilt. Lag something they stress to newbies who do not understand impact.
As good as this swing looks (circa 1990), IMO it was even better a few years earlier (1986-87) when his backswing wasn't so long and he didn't lift his left heel.
V good comments about the super late wrist set - great for power but it did cost him some tournaments, including a few majors. This is the only super slow mo video I have ever seen of norman in the 80's, that holding off of the wrist set until the club is almost parallel at the top and then it just flops under it's own weight is very apparent here. He was mega athletic and could make it work, but he was a better player in the early 90's with a more sophisticated technique.
Norman- long off the tee, accurate and an amazing striker. He was robbed of a few majors and blew a couple but that's golf. A legend in my eyes who'd be a top player in any generation! Was a joy to watch when I was a kid!
Lag is not the end all it is everything. The further ahead at impact your hands are the better.
littlebigtrain 7 months ago
@littlebigtrain there is no such thing as conservation of angular momentum in the golf swing. it doesn't exist. i tell you what, you're never going to get any speed dragging the handle with the shaft leaning forward through impact. provided you get onto your lead leg, the angle you develop is released right from the top BUT it should not get completely straight until AFTER the ball. there is no holding anything. all you need is a shallow attack and a bit of forward shaft lean AT impact.
dschultz6072 5 months ago
@dschultz6072
I don't know about "no such thing," since a lot of smart people--including Cochran and Stobbs--have said there is. But it's also true that to the extent that COAM makes you want to slow down your arms to the point of stopping them as force is slung into the clubhead, COAM may not be all good.
emncaity 1 month ago
@dschultz6072
I do think you're basically right, though. It's crazy, seeing all these amateurs who have never learned to release fully and freely, talking about "lag" and "holding off" a release they've never learned in the first place. It destroys golf games to think that way. The clubhead passed Hogan's hands, it passed Nicklaus's hands, it passes every great player's hands, usually fractionally after to well after first contact. Shallowness is also critical to first-class striking.
emncaity 1 month ago
@littlebigtrain That's so shit, that's so not true.
TheBitchslapyo 5 months ago
What we're seeing is the very wide flat spot at the bottom of Noman's swing, which enabled him to keep the clubhead square to the target a long ways, and why he's the greatest driver of the golf ball ever.
JCH2768 9 months ago
Seems to lose some wrist hinge when club gets to parallel on downswing. And yet he still hits it far. Could the 90 degree wrist hinge at parallel on downswing be slightly overrated?
remmy100 9 months ago
@remmy100 because he's a two planer a very slight casting of the club on the downswing is okay, it widens the angle a bit as the two plane swing is inherently steep.
silowhore 9 months ago
@remmy100 Holding lag is not the end all be all to having plenty of power. There have been many golfers who released it a bit early and have had monster power - Jack, young tiger, and long distance legends mike austin and mike dunaway. There is also a sort of faux-lag that is caught in still shots when players use a ton of axis tilt. Lag something they stress to newbies who do not understand impact.
emomagica 7 months ago
@emomagica
That is so true.
emncaity 1 month ago
As good as this swing looks (circa 1990), IMO it was even better a few years earlier (1986-87) when his backswing wasn't so long and he didn't lift his left heel.
JCH2768 9 months ago
love it how he slams his left heel down to complete his backswing and start his downswing, slots it to the inside....perfect and full power!
pacodegarcia 9 months ago
V good comments about the super late wrist set - great for power but it did cost him some tournaments, including a few majors. This is the only super slow mo video I have ever seen of norman in the 80's, that holding off of the wrist set until the club is almost parallel at the top and then it just flops under it's own weight is very apparent here. He was mega athletic and could make it work, but he was a better player in the early 90's with a more sophisticated technique.
stevepising 10 months ago
Norman- long off the tee, accurate and an amazing striker. He was robbed of a few majors and blew a couple but that's golf. A legend in my eyes who'd be a top player in any generation! Was a joy to watch when I was a kid!
1977mrcheese 11 months ago
old school style swing it's so good to watch.
ccsstt82 1 year ago
i just can't believe how flexible he was - how easily he rotated 180 degrees. Insane.
slapstik89 1 year ago
I love how he rolls his right foot instead of getting it up
danic18 1 year ago
The lateral hip slide with little hip turn caused most of his timing problems, generally the huge block when throttling back!
paultatters 1 year ago
@paultatters spot on about that slide on the way back, very typical of the golfing old school.
italodiscorevival 1 year ago
"Powerful swing", said the high hcp:er - it look similar tom Slami'n Sam.
petereuropa 1 year ago
Simply the best. Go Shark. Don't worry mate it's called "tall poppy syndrome' Australia will always knock you.
TheGoodThanks 1 year ago
Love Norman, but that superlate set on the backswing caused him a few timing issues under pressure (along with the lower-body action).
emncaity 1 year ago
@emncaity yeah that late wrist hinge is crazy. you have to be very flexible to do that.
13skinsfan69 1 year ago
Awesome video. Love this stuff Carl....keep it up!
w103jwr 1 year ago
More G. Norman would be great!
seanillesgolf 2 years ago
Cross Roads #2 is awesome... Nice clip..
pahr72 2 years ago
I remember Carl Welty working with Greg at La Costa in 1990 and Norman won the Vardon Trophy !
sunni559 2 years ago