I cant imagine how a hydrogen fuel cell and an internal combustion engine could interface, as far as i know they're not able to work in sync like an electric motor and a gasoline engine aka a hybrid
There is no way that this works. The amount of H2 produced amounts to <0.1% of the energy in the gasoline. H2 is not a catalyst and does not enhance the reaction between the HC's in gasoline and O2.
I use it and have nothing at all to gain to say these things. I can tell you for fact its combustible and the car runs better with it. The MPG gain is proven. Search youtube im not the only one doing this! As far as selling sake oil, im not selling anything.. They are not for sale..
this stuff is a rip off! dateline just proved it! you want better fuel economy....DRIVE LESS! why havent automakers done this????because its garbage. I'm an ASE master tech and trust me additives do more hurt than good.
This guy is an idiot. I can't believe anyone is taking him seriously. He's pulling like 10A to get <1MJ of energy. BTW, 1MJ of energy is about the amount of energy in a jelly doughnut.
you don't understand how it works. due to the fact that there is a higher oxygen percentage in the combustion chamber, then the fuel burns more efficiently. this means that less fuel is needed. he isn't creating power from nothing, he is, in effect, making NOS on demand. because it is only a minute amount, fuel economy is increased. this is a VERY basic explanation.
ON a cold day when compression is better, I notice the hp gains but that dosen't effect my mpg. You can drive around all day on a cold day when you have a "higher oxygen percentage" and this makes no effect on your mpg. HHO kits are for HOMOS! Just fill your tank up with rice and blow yourself up! Homemade Nos!! Haha!! DOes this guy know what NOS even is? THats like saying I have a nuclear isotope refinery in the basement! HAHA!
you miss he point. cold days increase the total amount of oxygen. more petrol is added to compensate.
HHO generators add oxygen and the right amount of hydrogen to burn the extra oxygen. but the overall percentage of oxygen is increase. air is 70% nitrogen. and 20% oxygen.
now add HHO the percentage of oxygen increases dramatically, but because the correct amount of hydrogen is there to take this away, the ecu does not detect anything wrong with the amount of fuel. this means that the fuel burns more efficiently. the ecu detects the lack of oxygen in exhaust and reduces the amount of fuel injected. and likening this to NOS was a very basic analogy.
Do you know what NOS is? under high temperatures, nitrous oxide splits into nitrogen and oxygen. extra fuel is added to burn with this free oxygen. now HHO is roughly the same. except no extra nitrogen in the mix. and the fuel is the hydrogen. without the extra nitrogen, the total percentage of oxygen in the combustion chamber increases meaning that the fuel is able to burn better. calling people homos does not make you sound very credible.
it takes TONS of evergy to split oxzgen and hydrogen... and where does it come from...
the engine... if it worked as some claim, on 100% HHO, then you could literally have the exhaust pumped into a tank, condensed, and burned over again...
someone who could do that would quickly become either a billionaire, or a saint
he isn't running it completely on HHO. that is impossible. no one is saying it works like that. the HHO supplements the fuel by increasing oxygen percentage in the combustion chamber, making the fuel burn more efficient.
I believe a turbocharger is capable of doing the same without the need of a 30% efficient electrolysis process (which takes power off of the 20% efficient engine which is converted to electricity with a 50% efficient generator).
it requires 60 kwh of electricity to produce one kg of hydrogen, which in the FCX works out to an efficiency of 1.1 mile/kwh. Plug-in cars with lithium-ion batteries like the Tesla Roadster or the Volt get 5 miles/kwh, for a nearly five-fold increase in efficiency.
Its pry because of the chip that is used to lower the amount of gas that is injected in the engine. Also think about the ratio of gas to the hydrogen. Two quarts of 2H2+O2 does not have the power to effect 20 gallons of gas enough to create a significant difference in the fuel consumption... i know you all pry hate me now but i wrote a term paper for an engineering class over HHO... which is really 2H2+ O2 because oxygen bonds to itself.
I'm not an automotive engineer but I don't think that the electricity comming from the alternator would put a drain on the engine or power or use more power. Your alternator functions off a belt right? The belt has one speed right? The current drawn from the alternator has a limit but there is no drain on the engine power, as long as the plugs are getting their spark. Somebody tell me if I'm wrong.
Well think about it this way. When you hook ur car up to the dead battery of another car ur cars engine slows down. Thats from the pull of the alternator. It takes more energy to make more energy. So when you hook ur alternater up to one of these it creates a pull which uses far more energy than what the hydrogen in the engine can create. Seperating hydrogen this way is not efficient at all. If you put one of these on your car and it boosts ur mileage its pry because... continued above
The way he has it setup it will do nothing, prolly hurt mpg. The 15-20amps the cell pulls from the charging system shouldn't force the motor to work harder, the charging system will just receive less power. If you can lean out the engine while it is creating the HHO you may see mpg increases. The only thing that matters is pumping less gas in the car. The HHO only makes it safe enough to lean out the fuel curve, its not REALLY a fuel saver in theory. People are thinking in different terms.
Lean is bad, HOWEVER remember the HHO is fuel as well. By reducing or leaning the amount of gasoline the computer or carburetor injects into the combustion chamber you are replacing that with HHO to make the AFR safe again. Not to mention, HHO can allow the engine to actually run leaner safely due to its combustion properties and how hot it burns.
running lean causes heat, which is why it is bad, adding hydrogen to an already lean engine makes the cylinder temperatures even higher
and hho ignites easier, and detonation becomes a factor as well, timing has to be retarded, and that makes the engine less efficient because the combustion happens when the crank is nearer to the top.
unless you run very high octane race gas to combat the detonation, but it would end up costing more then standard gas....
Im not saying some of that isn't true. But from my tuning days, I think the hydrogen could reduce cylinder combustion temps depending on timing. It very well may be more likely to preignite w/ stock spark angle though! Hydrogen is 3 times more efficient of a burn than petrol so there's potential, with the right tuning.
For testing we should only use carbs and motors w/out ECUs where we can adjust the timing. Computers self adjust too much!!
yeah thier are some issues but an engine built for it and tuned properly shouldn't have any issues, i think either retarded timing or a lower compression ratio would do for the detonation issues. possibly even water injection to cool down the cylinders if it is a huge issue.
thinking of it propane is used with good results in mileage for a diesel, i wonder if hydrogen would work... that is if it doesn't self ignite too early...
You EGR valve should take care of the heat issue which is standard in most vehicles. The recirculated exhaust gases actually cool the combustion chamber. As well as HHO reverts back to H2O when combusted so the exhaust side of the process will be cooled. Your ECU should self adjust spark timing and running supreme fuel I see no reason why there should be any Pre Det.
It won't add any extra cooling no. But these particular hho generators are only running a certain percentage hho still burning petro just less. Your EGR will still be operating. What are your thoughts on hho changing back to steam in this case after being burned. It should help to keep combustion temp down.
Video name is misleading: This is a water (H2O) electrolysis unit, NOT a fuel cell. This unit splits H20 into H+H+O, though some of it turns into H2O2 (h2 peroxide) unfortunately. The released H2 is supposedly burned along with gasoline as additional fuel. This seems unlikely to work (as stated by willvb13) System uses battery to make h2, battery uses gasoline, etc
In contrast to this electrolyzer, a fuel cell uses raw hydrogen gas as a fuel, converting it to H2O and producing electric current.
My point was simply that the amount of energy required to run the "HHO unit" puts a large draw on the alternator, thus resisting engine power. This is a wasteful cycle. I'm all for trying out H2 gas to supplement gasoline engines, but I think we should get it from a solar H2O electrolyzer, and store it in a Hydrogen tank in the engine compartment, instead of producing it in-car from H20.
you are probably making your car LESS effeceint, because it uses alot more battery power than power it is making for the car, which acording to the LAW of conservation of energy, its prety much impossibe
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People belive what they read or watch in the media and people generally belive the majority, especially science. EG. Cold fusion is sniffed at by the "scientific community" because top scientists say it isnt supported by new physics laws. However didnt we used to think the world was flat? and aren't the same top scientists at CERN using the LHC to try and prove the higgs boson particle exists which will drastically alter the laws of physics. science limits open minded people stunting progression
Funny how on these posts everyone is SO quick to point out peoples mistakes and ignorance on the subject. Amazing how people like to flash that superiority complex.
no but i do know hydrogen can be seperated from water right under your hood. so i wish people would wake up to the stupid alternative fuels to fill up your car.the only goal is to get your money.when it doesnt cost you anything other then the equipment.
I am building a unit with 304 stainless plates.I have read that for optimum generation a gap of .048"-.063" is required. I plan on selling the plates already to assemble and fit in a Qt canning jar.(cutting stainless is a bitch)then i found an article saying that using stainless produces hexavalent chromium in the electrolyte which causes cancer and is considered extremely deadly to internal organs! have you investigated this seriuos possibility?
Yeah, what's up with calling it a fuel cell? It's actually an electolyzer. Plus, there's no such thing as HHO gas. What you're making is 2 H2 + 1 O2. As we all know, that's a perfect fuel ready mixed with a perfect oxidizer, just waiting for a spark. In other words, BOOM! H2 gas is much safer as it burns slower.
if your asking its pointless to tell.the inventors of this technology do not want you to have it . a lot of these people on youtube who post these conversions and similar tech stop posting and talking about. or switch to becoming a corperation that sell energy.
actually it is safe. since no hydrogen is stored in tanks. Its produced as you go. so its actually safer than what the major auto company's are doing. requiring you to store the hydrogen in large tanks.
im going to use ss all thread i got at homedepot for straps,hope this will give you a idea rangerbrothers also i beleive that smacks cell boosters use ss utensils as straps. GO MIXCATCOM :)
Alright, I guess it was a novice move. Do not add more baking soda than suggested (1-2teaspoons per litre) otherwise it will become overly conductive and surpass 20amps - blowing any safety fuses you put in line.
I've built my own Hydrolizer, yet have run into a few questions/problems. 1. What wire do you use to conduct the current under the water? My copper 8ga. wire eventually corrodes even when insulated w/ liquid insulation. 2. Where do you get your plates? I have tubes, and have not found financially viable plates.
Use Stainless straps then use a SS bolt to connect it to the outside then use the copper wire. you can use tubes or if you cant find SS plates use Wall plates form lowes or home depot ss wall plates are like 1.25$ each.
Rangebrothers > Suggestion: Dip the leads in Silver solder. And not knowing what type of suspension mixture, no one can tell. But if you are using Baking Soda - it would appear the Sodium is causing the corrosion when charged. See above suggestion re: suspension used. - And are you using PURE Water? not tap water.
IMHO, the gas from the hydrolyzer is unmetered as you are injecting it after the Mass Air Flow Meter. This would undoubtedly lean the mixture out but yet the hydrogen is a fuel, which should negate the unmetered are and hopefully end up neutral. It would be interesting to see how the ECM responds to that with the Long and Sort Term Fuel Trim numbers.
The physics to explain "Zero Point Energy" hasn't been written, just because there is too much opposition to something that "Breaks the laws of Physics" The current science of man is still in it's infancy, and will no doubt need to be shaken to its foundation before any more "Great Advancements" can be made.
You probably have no idea what zero-point energy is or what it really means. There's nothing there that "breaks" the laws of Physics. It's a natural and observable outcome of modern Quantum Theory. If this energy were easily harnessable we could not exist because the matter in our universe would be unstable. So you better read up before you run your mouth.
Oh, I'm not "running my mouth". There is plenty of unstable matter in the universe. Of all the matter in the universe, does it really matter anyway? It is just a theory anyway. It is a fact that many states of matter exist that have not been written about.
what about putting this in an old carburated car, wich has no computer and sensors... and there is a way to remove your o2 sensor or your maf sensor if you are thinking going serious with de H you can remove your car computer and buy a MEGASQUIRT, its a programable computer/controller that controls the injection of "gasoline" (im thinking maybe 100% hydrogen) and the timing of the spark. If you would like to spend $600 and do the swap yourself :S cheers!
On ebay, I found an O2 sensor spacer to eleveate any problems with throttle body injection. Only cost $9.00 Just a idea! It was made for this very purpose.
Lizard Can you tell me what to do about the O2 Sensor. IM building one and I know that is going to be a problem. Thanks For any help. Jack ass that don't believe. Do this to prove us wrong. Get some plates and hook them up put it in water with soda.... then after a few minutes get a torch and lite!!!
Its a work in progress dude. Some vehicles you can purchase the electronics to handle it, or order them aftermarket. A lot of them though the sensor isn't even giving us problems. We got one on a Chrysler Van and it hasn't effected it at all, but the Chevy truck we put it on it made it worse.
O2 sensor problem solved. Found a part custom made on ebay for this problem. I will look for the aution again, and post it here. But you could find it under O2sensor spacer , good luck.
If we were trying to make money off it we'd find a better way then this. Its a WIP, and its not even guranted to work. I ain't ripping no one off, when I don't sell it, and neither does he. Hes put them on as favors. You need to think about what you are saying little boy, and back on off your high horse, because you are exaggerating ALOT. No one has mentioned selling this here. Theres directions on how to do it yourself FFS. This will surely clean out the American peoples pockets though lmao!
I just built one. It does work better on caruburated engines. No oxygen sensor. You need to bypass the O2sensor on computer cars to save gas. It is a boost. BTW to maker of vid. You should run a flashback arrester in line with your hose to the intake in case of backfire. Bronze fine mesh in tube between two barbs works good. YTube Flashback arrestor
Bottom line: This "technology" *does not work* and it's yet another means for the snake oil salesmen to prey upon the ignorance of the public. There is no such thing as a free lunch. Caveat emptor!
Even if these things did have an unlimited "free" current supply (and they don't) the amount of gas produced is so small it would only amount to a fraction of a percent of the fuel needed to run the engine. A gallon of water will only produce the energy equivalent of 1.3 quarts of gasoline. It will take *many hours and possibly days* for this device to hydrolyze a gallon of water. Do the math on that. It ain't enough.
Gasoline engines only run at about 10-20% efficiency. There is *always* some energy loss in the form of heat. The heat lost during the production of the additional current is energy down the drain. So basically you are putting in a pound of gasoline to get back a few ounces of hydrogen. It's like paying a dollar for a dime. Not a good trade.
lol, people are so stupid. The energy stored in Hyrdrogen is 1/4 that stopred in gasoline per liter. Thats in a liquid state. You would have to haul 60 gallons of pure liquid Hydrogen in your car to go the same distance as 15 gallons of gas. That would take an enormous amount of water and even greater amount of electricity to generate the hydrogen not to mention compressing it into liquid state. A damn quart of water is not going to create any amount of engergy.
Think about how a portable gasoline generator works. The gasoline engine always works harder when the generator is under load. Your car engine and alternator are no different. The engine has to work harder when the alternator is producing more current because the alternator requires more energy to spin. As a result, more gasoline is burned to produce the additional energy needed to turn the alternator.
the Alternator changes movement into energy. The alternator can produce x number of amps. It will still produce x amps at 5000rpm or 30000 rpm. Actually the alternator gets its energy from the magnetic core & copper wire. then the field is broken electrons are pushed through the wire - to +
Electron current is pulled up from the negative field.
Besides some of your conjectures are based on 100% full load. If a 89a load of 100a Alternator is used, 5a more won't make the engine run faster
But hey, if you want to believe that some no-shirt-wearing cracker has solved the centuries-old quest for free energy with a few pieces of plastic pipe and some fender washers, then that's your God given right. Knock yourself out.
This thing DOES NOT WORK. Anyone who thinks it does is a booger-eating moron. The people who are selling them are liars and thieves. Period.
LOL I am a booger eating moron, it works. I have seen the improvements... Theres always some fucking moron who is to dumb to try it, or can't find someone who wants to demonstrate it, so they come here and post its bullshit. It makes since. Bacon Soda and fucking distilled water moron, 5 cell plates to bubble all you need is a relay fuse, it cost no money at all to do that. Its chump change to try it. It makes gasoline burn more efficient
What is bacon soda? Is that the new soft drink from Oscar Meyer? It's baking soda you idiot. You can't even spell a simple word because you are a illiterate dumbass and a shyster. And this cheesy piece of shit will do nothing but remove green from your wallet.
It hasn't removed anything from either of our wallets. I own a 78 thousand dollar Ford F550, I got more money then you could dream of kiddo. I work construction, and my friend works for Kimberly Clark, hes a master electrician. We both have a licenses to purchase Class B Explosives, and have been setting them off and doing shows for several surrounding areas for years! He likes to tinker with things, he don't even begin to sell it so back off dumb ass.
I know how an alternator works. Do you know about thermodynamics? Do you know it's impossible to get more energy out of a system than you put into it? Can you calculate fuel equivalents? Then explain how this POS can take a pint of water and convert it fast enough to make a bit of difference. You can't because it can't. Do you know that shysters come out of the woodwork to prey upon the hope and ignorance of the American public every time there's a fuel crisis? Apparently not.
Listen dumb fuck I am on lizards account to post that this does work. I have perfected it. I am a pyro technician, a master electrician, and I have several degrees as a mechanic, and a damn good one. Firstly and foremost this doesn't use the alternator, it does, but only to cause the cells to get hot enough to bubble the distilled water and bacon soda. This works, go try it then come back here. Yes in some cases this can cause you to get worse fuel economy, you gotta know what your doing.
So now that shyster lizard has to hide behind his friends like a little bitch. First you say the alternator isn't used, and then you contradict yourself. Master electrician my ass. More like a master-bator. Too bad they don't give out degrees in stupidity. You could be a doctor of idiotology. Here's an experiment for you. Take this worthless hunk of shit, hook it up to 440 AC and shove it up your ass. That will improve your mileage more than this ripoff shit you punks are foisting.
It is used but barely used to do anything other then acutally run the plates. People hook amps up to them all the time, do you think a simple relay fuse which can also be used to make it so your dims and brights work at the same time, would cause any problems with an alternator? No it wouldn't. Baking soda whatever it was late, like 3 AM.
dude you may be rich with a $78k Ford truck, be a pyro tech etc (blah, blah, blah) but your understanding of electrolyis and how this really works is pretty flawed. 1st, the plates do not need to get hot for the water to "bubble." 2nd, I think you mean baking soda, not bacon soda. More properly this is sodium bicarbonate. It's used to increase the conductivity of the water. Lastly, the process must have electricity to work. You are probably pulling 10A to get the H2.
this maltboy and soem others surf around you tube and try and put their knowledge out like they know what their talking about. they talk Bs like these systems pull to much off a car alt and the alt reduces the gas millage more then the HHO will add to your cars millage. They have no clue how anything really works.
the idea in principal works, no doubt about it. But what seems to be lacking in the combustion dept. is that- the farther the injection of Hydrogen from the chamber, the less hydrogen is being ignited, That is why it should be close to the carb, or in. Another thing is, the volume of hydrogen produced. The may want to consider an additional agent- like ammonia (NH3) and water rather than Baking Soda (NAHCO3)- Nitrogen is already in air when burned.
The alternator requires energy to spin the armature. The higher the load on the alternator, the harder it is to spin the armature due to the increase in stator resistance.
Where does the alternator get its energy? It gets it from the gasoline engine.
These things are a complete scam. Anyone with the most basic understanding of the laws of thermodynamics knows it takes more energy to split a water molecule than is recovered when it is recombined.
Think about it. Where does the energy (electricity) that's used to split the water come from? It comes from the car's alternator.
this H gas generating thing is real. I think the recent mental rise in oil prices could, in some way, be linked to the publics rising awareness of cheap, easily sourced H gas through processes like this. The day of oil and petrochemicals is ending. The system is beginning to change. They'll keep raising prices until we figure out we can get it for free and stop paying the cunts
Its very very simple to make. You can still run off gasoline, you added distilled water with bacon soda, it bubbles and creates a hydrogen gas, and yes it works. There is people out here getting 70 mpg off this, its just how you prefect it. Its awesome.
I have heard that using SS causes production of hexavalent chromium, how true is this, and which metals will not do this and also not deteriorate in the process? NiTi? Platinized Niobium? Carbon? Please message me, I have researched this but could not find any info pertaining to HHo production. thank you!
apart from the generator hydrogen wath need most to make your car work properly?
setbacks that brings this system to install in the car?
wath happens with the water that produce, and have you heard about the efie to control the o2 entrance...have you heard some else? i realy like to know.
Whats nice about this setup is you don't have to modify your car engine. It works with any car and you wouldn't have to be a rocket engineer to set this up.
2br, This is like the 15th post i see with this information about pwmpower. Thanks, I was just about to order a pwm. I am going to go with vbtechnodotcom unit.
I'm not arguing the functionality of anything you build nor am I being arrogant trying to teach you a thing or two about engine management and how the systems work. There's always more then one way to skin a cat. 999 ways may work but there's only ONE right way. You should strive to find that right way. It is you who would be so arrogant to ignore free advice.
I'm not even using these systems. I'm just posting any input I can that may answer other peoples questions. Such as, why they work or what not to do. Only from an engine management standpoint. I know they work. =)
It's effect would depend on the map input gain in the ecu. Chances are the linearity of the signal will be negatively effected. You can play with signals all you want but the ecu is programed to compensate. It's goal is the air fuel ratio measured by the o2. I program engine management systems so trust me I know. When you've built 650hp 4 cylinders running off your own programing you can argue with me. =)
Ill argue with whoever i want. I don't care if you're john fuggin lingenfelter. The facts are there you believe whatever you want. I do not wish you any real negativity and i congratulate you on your success but arrogance kills, downright kills. Sorry, your statements do seem legit, but the numbers do not lie. I will keep it in mind and to my best to share it with the boards that i talk with. Thanks for the input.
wow.. im such a d1ck. i didnt mean to be. anyway all i meant to say is that lots of people have successfully done this. there is more to it than an atv mechanic needs to know. once again, thanks for your input but I am not calling shenanigans yet.
Yep. 99% of the ppl trying to do this miss the point that their engine has complex sensors and a computer that monitors things like cam timing, crankshaft timing, o2, catalytics, air/fuel mixture, etc. Plus I'm not even sure what the point of adding this thing to a car other than novelty and the Me Too complex. A real solution would be to replace gasoline with hydrogen fuel, and this means producing, storing and regulating pressure as well as managing OBDII
Older cars and Diesals don't have o2 sensors. However there are "gadgets" for tricking the o2 sensor and alike. Granted it is another expence.
Yep, that is the real solution but we're about 50 yrs off from there. Untill then adding hydrogen / oxygen in a lean fuel mix not only gives better MPG it's a cleaner exhaust gas.
Yea i know but im just looking at that car, its an 07 merc milan so unless he had an Apexi SAFC, the module from the people who sell the HAFC(hydrogen assist fuel cell), Greddy eManage, or some other kinda tuning software hes just hurting his car, primary his fuel injectors which will be turned WAY down by the ECU.
Look it's not that hard. You put another source of fuel into the engine and the O2 sensor tells the ecu that the engine is running rich. The ecu then shortens the fuel injector pulse to compensate. It continues to shorten the pulse, lowering the amount of gasoline being injected, until Mr. O2 sensor say's all it well. It will not harm your engine in any way. Props to the people trying it. =)
actually the engine runs lean because the alternative fuel reads on the 02 sensor as oxygen instead of fuel, that is why you need the adapter to trick the o2 sensor into believing that the engine is getting too much fuel, it will cut the fuel down and you can add Hydrogen to compensate. do a little fine tuning and most ppl seem to report a 30-50 percent mixture.
If it ran lean, or the o2 reads it as lean, then the ecu would add more fuel in it's attempt to reach a gasoline stoichiometric af ratio of ~14:7. In that case these cells would -hurt- fuel economy, not improve it.
you trick the ecu with a map sensor enhancer. you are exactly right, if the ecu thought it was running lean, it would add fuel to richen it up. but with the little map enhancer, you trick it into believing its running at the right ratio, when it is actually using 20-40% less fuel, substituting the lack of fuel with the hho derived from water, you use less gas. i suck at explaining things but i swear i understand it!
an hho system without a map enhancer is a waste of money, you are correct.
Anything "tricking" the map sensor will make to significant a change. A map sensor is only used in a speed-density bassed injection system. Playing around with it's signal is not recomended. Not all vehicles use speed-density based fuel injection, so not all vehicles have a map sensor anyways. A simple resistor on the map sensor won't always work to modify the signal either.
I am open minded here. Would like to see promised MPG update.
Naysayers refer to free energy either directly or indirectly. Laws of physics. Thats not the point.
A battery holds a given charge. Excess charge is metered away (use it or lose it. Alternators do NOT drive the crank. They take whats given. Battary accepts whats given or throws it away. Here's the confusion for the word "free". Excess sustainable charge is being refered to as "free".
Wow, another worthless video, no narration about what I'm supposed to be looking at or what it does, just point the camera and shoot, then post on youtube, wow, how ingenious. That was another waste of my time. Maybe I should get my camera and go out to my car and shoot a video in silence and say that it runs on air and then post it. Yeah, maybe I'll do that, hey maybe I'll get over 100,000 hits too, how cool is that?
good morning man we are in the 2008 thes tecnolge what you thinck thats astuped for you its have been in the world from 1978 go and do some search and i have one allreday but i dont have agood camera i use the benfits of the fuell sell and you just dreming and complaying !! sory for the english. ho have afuel cell i saed to hem good gob!
by the way, I KNOW it works because I built one and with an efie...got 27 miles per gallon...in my e-350 1 ton super duty cargo van! I used to get 9.5 mpg...
look douchbage! Im not trying to put them down. ITS JUST YOU CANT DO IT! I want free power as much as the other guy. Im just trying to be realistic. A system that could provide enough power to make a difference on mileage would have to be bigger and more efficient.The amount of power you drain from the charging system is more then the power you get back from burning the hydrogen produced by this system. Im not trying to bring any one down. Again im only stating the truth.
It can make a difference. Not at full throttle mind you. Lets look at what makes gas burn. Spark ignites it and Oxygen in air is the oxydizer. Hydrogen on its own is pretty useless in HHO. Its the Oxygen that makes the difference. Ambient air has 21% or so concentration Oxygen in HHO is 33% pure and 66% Hydrogen. So really its an oxidizer more than anything..not mean to be "free energy" No one here claims that. Its the dream but not likely. Again its a catalyst to the burn. Also more isnt better
Txgiorgi is right. Any asshole whit 30 mins of time on their hands. Can hit up the web and find out that THIS SHIT DONT WORK. Hydrogen can be made from water. But to produce it you need energy. To produce enough hydrogen to run a car, would require a bigger system that wont fit in the car.
How is it absurd? Have you tried it? Do you have any data to back up your claim? Im not sure it works either but dont put someone down for trying. Your math and science are shit btw. with 80% drop that means there is 20% left right? now if doubled what does that mean? 80% of the remaining 20% and so on and so forth. Its meant to be a catalyst not a replacement. ASSISTED burn. Go back to playing with your cock and surf parez hilton.
Assisted burn sounds good except tha amount of assistance is grossly exagerated. If you understood basic pysics you would know that assistance is about what you would get if you installed some pedals in your car like a biclycle. ;o)
i made a similar generator for my crx, it made a little difrence in town 2-3 mpg but highway mpg went from 35 to almost 50 drawing about 10 amps.
justin76bmw 2 years ago 14
The secret died with stan meyer. I'd really like to know who holds his patents now.. and why we aren't all driving water powered cars.
dustin8420 2 years ago 23
I cant imagine how a hydrogen fuel cell and an internal combustion engine could interface, as far as i know they're not able to work in sync like an electric motor and a gasoline engine aka a hybrid
bethehammer0 2 years ago
There is no way that this works. The amount of H2 produced amounts to <0.1% of the energy in the gasoline. H2 is not a catalyst and does not enhance the reaction between the HC's in gasoline and O2.
These guys are selling snake oil.
Montgisard 2 years ago
I use it and have nothing at all to gain to say these things. I can tell you for fact its combustible and the car runs better with it. The MPG gain is proven. Search youtube im not the only one doing this! As far as selling sake oil, im not selling anything.. They are not for sale..
Do your homework then let me know your thoughts.
-Pete
mixcatcom 2 years ago 42
this stuff is a rip off! dateline just proved it! you want better fuel economy....DRIVE LESS! why havent automakers done this????because its garbage. I'm an ASE master tech and trust me additives do more hurt than good.
mikesfastgt 2 years ago
I been using this for over a year.. I have nothing to gain by telling you what I see as gains.
This is not an additive this is a fuel.
=Pete
mixcatcom 2 years ago 13
This guy is an idiot. I can't believe anyone is taking him seriously. He's pulling like 10A to get <1MJ of energy. BTW, 1MJ of energy is about the amount of energy in a jelly doughnut.
Montgisard 2 years ago
Another oil company rep I bet.
I can only tell you what my car MPG gains are.
I went from 29-39 MPG highway to 44 MPG with the HHO assist. There people doing even better then this.
Prove us all wrong.
peace
mixcatcom 2 years ago
you don't understand how it works. due to the fact that there is a higher oxygen percentage in the combustion chamber, then the fuel burns more efficiently. this means that less fuel is needed. he isn't creating power from nothing, he is, in effect, making NOS on demand. because it is only a minute amount, fuel economy is increased. this is a VERY basic explanation.
monandjay 2 years ago 9
I couldn't have said if better myself.
Thanks,
-Pete
mixcatcom 2 years ago 3
ON a cold day when compression is better, I notice the hp gains but that dosen't effect my mpg. You can drive around all day on a cold day when you have a "higher oxygen percentage" and this makes no effect on your mpg. HHO kits are for HOMOS! Just fill your tank up with rice and blow yourself up! Homemade Nos!! Haha!! DOes this guy know what NOS even is? THats like saying I have a nuclear isotope refinery in the basement! HAHA!
vandamage02 2 years ago
you miss he point. cold days increase the total amount of oxygen. more petrol is added to compensate.
HHO generators add oxygen and the right amount of hydrogen to burn the extra oxygen. but the overall percentage of oxygen is increase. air is 70% nitrogen. and 20% oxygen.
monandjay 2 years ago 2
now add HHO the percentage of oxygen increases dramatically, but because the correct amount of hydrogen is there to take this away, the ecu does not detect anything wrong with the amount of fuel. this means that the fuel burns more efficiently. the ecu detects the lack of oxygen in exhaust and reduces the amount of fuel injected. and likening this to NOS was a very basic analogy.
monandjay 2 years ago
Do you know what NOS is? under high temperatures, nitrous oxide splits into nitrogen and oxygen. extra fuel is added to burn with this free oxygen. now HHO is roughly the same. except no extra nitrogen in the mix. and the fuel is the hydrogen. without the extra nitrogen, the total percentage of oxygen in the combustion chamber increases meaning that the fuel is able to burn better. calling people homos does not make you sound very credible.
monandjay 2 years ago 2
it takes TONS of evergy to split oxzgen and hydrogen... and where does it come from...
the engine... if it worked as some claim, on 100% HHO, then you could literally have the exhaust pumped into a tank, condensed, and burned over again...
someone who could do that would quickly become either a billionaire, or a saint
mageac 2 years ago 2
he isn't running it completely on HHO. that is impossible. no one is saying it works like that. the HHO supplements the fuel by increasing oxygen percentage in the combustion chamber, making the fuel burn more efficient.
monandjay 2 years ago
I believe a turbocharger is capable of doing the same without the need of a 30% efficient electrolysis process (which takes power off of the 20% efficient engine which is converted to electricity with a 50% efficient generator).
redtails 2 years ago
Then why do you need HHO? Why not just use oxygen? You have no idea what you are talking about.
Montgisard 2 years ago
Oxygen is too dangerous to store.
monandjay 2 years ago
it requires 60 kwh of electricity to produce one kg of hydrogen, which in the FCX works out to an efficiency of 1.1 mile/kwh. Plug-in cars with lithium-ion batteries like the Tesla Roadster or the Volt get 5 miles/kwh, for a nearly five-fold increase in efficiency.
ndyt 2 years ago
does this tecnology work for diesel engines.
pasqualejessica 2 years ago
Sure does..
Enjoy your weekend.
-Pete
mixcatcom 2 years ago
Great setup!! I need one. Will check in with you about it.
pathtoyhwh 2 years ago
Its pry because of the chip that is used to lower the amount of gas that is injected in the engine. Also think about the ratio of gas to the hydrogen. Two quarts of 2H2+O2 does not have the power to effect 20 gallons of gas enough to create a significant difference in the fuel consumption... i know you all pry hate me now but i wrote a term paper for an engineering class over HHO... which is really 2H2+ O2 because oxygen bonds to itself.
phil656565 3 years ago 2
I'm not an automotive engineer but I don't think that the electricity comming from the alternator would put a drain on the engine or power or use more power. Your alternator functions off a belt right? The belt has one speed right? The current drawn from the alternator has a limit but there is no drain on the engine power, as long as the plugs are getting their spark. Somebody tell me if I'm wrong.
Delticola 3 years ago
You got it... The system is hardly effected. I got over a year of use with no ill effect.
I dont know why people are flipping out about this. Its not very hard to do.
Boy they are going to hate my bigger unit when I get that ready.
-Pete
mixcatcom 3 years ago
Well think about it this way. When you hook ur car up to the dead battery of another car ur cars engine slows down. Thats from the pull of the alternator. It takes more energy to make more energy. So when you hook ur alternater up to one of these it creates a pull which uses far more energy than what the hydrogen in the engine can create. Seperating hydrogen this way is not efficient at all. If you put one of these on your car and it boosts ur mileage its pry because... continued above
phil656565 3 years ago 2
The way he has it setup it will do nothing, prolly hurt mpg. The 15-20amps the cell pulls from the charging system shouldn't force the motor to work harder, the charging system will just receive less power. If you can lean out the engine while it is creating the HHO you may see mpg increases. The only thing that matters is pumping less gas in the car. The HHO only makes it safe enough to lean out the fuel curve, its not REALLY a fuel saver in theory. People are thinking in different terms.
brown55061 2 years ago
So basically it doesnt work.
phil656565 2 years ago
running lean is EXTREMELY hard on an engine...
and from what ive seen your driving habits will affect mileage much more then adding any kind of fuel saving device would
mageac 2 years ago
Lean is bad, HOWEVER remember the HHO is fuel as well. By reducing or leaning the amount of gasoline the computer or carburetor injects into the combustion chamber you are replacing that with HHO to make the AFR safe again. Not to mention, HHO can allow the engine to actually run leaner safely due to its combustion properties and how hot it burns.
brown55061 2 years ago
running lean causes heat, which is why it is bad, adding hydrogen to an already lean engine makes the cylinder temperatures even higher
and hho ignites easier, and detonation becomes a factor as well, timing has to be retarded, and that makes the engine less efficient because the combustion happens when the crank is nearer to the top.
unless you run very high octane race gas to combat the detonation, but it would end up costing more then standard gas....
mageac 2 years ago
Im not saying some of that isn't true. But from my tuning days, I think the hydrogen could reduce cylinder combustion temps depending on timing. It very well may be more likely to preignite w/ stock spark angle though! Hydrogen is 3 times more efficient of a burn than petrol so there's potential, with the right tuning.
For testing we should only use carbs and motors w/out ECUs where we can adjust the timing. Computers self adjust too much!!
brown55061 2 years ago
yeah thier are some issues but an engine built for it and tuned properly shouldn't have any issues, i think either retarded timing or a lower compression ratio would do for the detonation issues. possibly even water injection to cool down the cylinders if it is a huge issue.
thinking of it propane is used with good results in mileage for a diesel, i wonder if hydrogen would work... that is if it doesn't self ignite too early...
mageac 2 years ago
You EGR valve should take care of the heat issue which is standard in most vehicles. The recirculated exhaust gases actually cool the combustion chamber. As well as HHO reverts back to H2O when combusted so the exhaust side of the process will be cooled. Your ECU should self adjust spark timing and running supreme fuel I see no reason why there should be any Pre Det.
XZZZX333 2 years ago
the egr valve was made to cool combustion chamber when it was running on gas, it is not going to add more cooling when needed, its either on or off.
the ecu/sensors can only adjust/read so far, as they are designed for gasoline, its going to be a majorly confused engine.
mageac 2 years ago
It won't add any extra cooling no. But these particular hho generators are only running a certain percentage hho still burning petro just less. Your EGR will still be operating. What are your thoughts on hho changing back to steam in this case after being burned. It should help to keep combustion temp down.
XZZZX333 2 years ago
Video name is misleading: This is a water (H2O) electrolysis unit, NOT a fuel cell. This unit splits H20 into H+H+O, though some of it turns into H2O2 (h2 peroxide) unfortunately. The released H2 is supposedly burned along with gasoline as additional fuel. This seems unlikely to work (as stated by willvb13) System uses battery to make h2, battery uses gasoline, etc
In contrast to this electrolyzer, a fuel cell uses raw hydrogen gas as a fuel, converting it to H2O and producing electric current.
slinkee2k 3 years ago
yeah but how do they get hydrogen? water.big circle.
drhoecker 3 years ago
Exactly, quite inefficient.
governator45 3 years ago
My point was simply that the amount of energy required to run the "HHO unit" puts a large draw on the alternator, thus resisting engine power. This is a wasteful cycle. I'm all for trying out H2 gas to supplement gasoline engines, but I think we should get it from a solar H2O electrolyzer, and store it in a Hydrogen tank in the engine compartment, instead of producing it in-car from H20.
slinkee2k 3 years ago 2
I bought a F-16 Pulse King on ebay and my HHO went crazy. I believe they are experimenting with this in now.
hho1junkie 3 years ago
you are probably making your car LESS effeceint, because it uses alot more battery power than power it is making for the car, which acording to the LAW of conservation of energy, its prety much impossibe
willvb13 3 years ago
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dsvio 3 years ago
Hey! Thats NOT a Hydrogen fuel cell engine! That's a regular old gas powered car! In this video clip!
777jeru 3 years ago
The water splitter is the whitish tank seen behind the radiator.
Karlfalcon 3 years ago
Huh? "The water is the whitish tank seen behind the radiator?! Where did you see that at? lol
777jeru 3 years ago
The thing with the big red valve on it. Are you blind?
Karlfalcon 3 years ago
Ah, you should SHUT THE FUCK UP PUNK ASS BITCH!!!
777jeru 3 years ago
LOL. INTERNET FIGHT
Karlfalcon 3 years ago
Your profile reads like a Wesley Willis song.
Karlfalcon 3 years ago
There are some white people. Who are indeed intelligent. But you are NOT one of them! You stupid ass ignorant trailer park trash, red-nack bastrad!!!
777jeru 3 years ago
"red-nack bastrad"
I'm lovin' this, man. Keep going.
Karlfalcon 3 years ago
What an complete RETARD!!!
777jeru 3 years ago
Don't you mean "RETRAD"?
Karlfalcon 3 years ago
You no spelling ass MORON!!! Go back to school and learn something real BITCH!!!
777jeru 3 years ago
At least I'm not "an complete retard".
Karlfalcon 3 years ago
What kind of fuel milage are you getting?
tnmn5603 3 years ago
People belive what they read or watch in the media and people generally belive the majority, especially science. EG. Cold fusion is sniffed at by the "scientific community" because top scientists say it isnt supported by new physics laws. However didnt we used to think the world was flat? and aren't the same top scientists at CERN using the LHC to try and prove the higgs boson particle exists which will drastically alter the laws of physics. science limits open minded people stunting progression
GestaltO 3 years ago
Funny how on these posts everyone is SO quick to point out peoples mistakes and ignorance on the subject. Amazing how people like to flash that superiority complex.
mechanized331 3 years ago
Any thoughts, ideas or suggestions on how to keep the water from freezing in the cell this winter?
partwerks 3 years ago
Put salt in the water, that will stop the freezing and also help with the hydrogen production
Buzzbo519 3 years ago
Do you know the difference between a hydrogen fuel cell and a water fuel cell?
dire67 3 years ago
no but i do know hydrogen can be seperated from water right under your hood. so i wish people would wake up to the stupid alternative fuels to fill up your car.the only goal is to get your money.when it doesnt cost you anything other then the equipment.
2giveup 3 years ago
so what does it do?
bigbodigga 3 years ago
I am building a unit with 304 stainless plates.I have read that for optimum generation a gap of .048"-.063" is required. I plan on selling the plates already to assemble and fit in a Qt canning jar.(cutting stainless is a bitch)then i found an article saying that using stainless produces hexavalent chromium in the electrolyte which causes cancer and is considered extremely deadly to internal organs! have you investigated this seriuos possibility?
johncartelli 3 years ago
Yeah, what's up with calling it a fuel cell? It's actually an electolyzer. Plus, there's no such thing as HHO gas. What you're making is 2 H2 + 1 O2. As we all know, that's a perfect fuel ready mixed with a perfect oxidizer, just waiting for a spark. In other words, BOOM! H2 gas is much safer as it burns slower.
rumdaiquiri 3 years ago
What I have seen is an HHO generating water cell installed in the car that is not running.
unity2zero 3 years ago
Some one can tell me where can I find a tutorial:> how to build a such kind a thing, and I want to buld one to use in my car.
yuriharrison 3 years ago
if your asking its pointless to tell.the inventors of this technology do not want you to have it . a lot of these people on youtube who post these conversions and similar tech stop posting and talking about. or switch to becoming a corperation that sell energy.
2giveup 3 years ago
Ive sent you a personal message explaining the technology. Feel free to share it with whomever you like.
dire67 3 years ago 2
that cant be safe homemade hydrogen cars
TSHRTL 3 years ago
actually it is safe. since no hydrogen is stored in tanks. Its produced as you go. so its actually safer than what the major auto company's are doing. requiring you to store the hydrogen in large tanks.
grooveclubhouse 3 years ago
please help me by telling me what are the containers aclled or where are they bought from . they are not so commen.
moss1transcendant 3 years ago
sorry but got another question? the hose that the Hydrogen coming out, where it'z going to. it'z to the intake of the car or where? plus it is save?
asianstyle123 3 years ago
how long will the water last before it run out?
asianstyle123 3 years ago
im going to use ss all thread i got at homedepot for straps,hope this will give you a idea rangerbrothers also i beleive that smacks cell boosters use ss utensils as straps. GO MIXCATCOM :)
farroff 3 years ago
Supply issue, anyone please help. I can't find SS 'straps' anywhere to hold my plate system in place. Any suggestions?
rangerbrothers 3 years ago
Alright, I guess it was a novice move. Do not add more baking soda than suggested (1-2teaspoons per litre) otherwise it will become overly conductive and surpass 20amps - blowing any safety fuses you put in line.
rangerbrothers 3 years ago
I've built my own Hydrolizer, yet have run into a few questions/problems. 1. What wire do you use to conduct the current under the water? My copper 8ga. wire eventually corrodes even when insulated w/ liquid insulation. 2. Where do you get your plates? I have tubes, and have not found financially viable plates.
rangerbrothers 3 years ago
Use Stainless straps then use a SS bolt to connect it to the outside then use the copper wire. you can use tubes or if you cant find SS plates use Wall plates form lowes or home depot ss wall plates are like 1.25$ each.
Vistal1 3 years ago
Rangebrothers > Suggestion: Dip the leads in Silver solder. And not knowing what type of suspension mixture, no one can tell. But if you are using Baking Soda - it would appear the Sodium is causing the corrosion when charged. See above suggestion re: suspension used. - And are you using PURE Water? not tap water.
Kegtapper 3 years ago
Order this Dual o2/Map Enhancer for your hydrogen fuel cell. Ebay item 250274287511
amillionemails 3 years ago
IMHO, the gas from the hydrolyzer is unmetered as you are injecting it after the Mass Air Flow Meter. This would undoubtedly lean the mixture out but yet the hydrogen is a fuel, which should negate the unmetered are and hopefully end up neutral. It would be interesting to see how the ECM responds to that with the Long and Sort Term Fuel Trim numbers.
toriamerc 3 years ago
The physics to explain "Zero Point Energy" hasn't been written, just because there is too much opposition to something that "Breaks the laws of Physics" The current science of man is still in it's infancy, and will no doubt need to be shaken to its foundation before any more "Great Advancements" can be made.
2468xx 3 years ago
You probably have no idea what zero-point energy is or what it really means. There's nothing there that "breaks" the laws of Physics. It's a natural and observable outcome of modern Quantum Theory. If this energy were easily harnessable we could not exist because the matter in our universe would be unstable. So you better read up before you run your mouth.
Montgisard 3 years ago 2
Oh, I'm not "running my mouth". There is plenty of unstable matter in the universe. Of all the matter in the universe, does it really matter anyway? It is just a theory anyway. It is a fact that many states of matter exist that have not been written about.
2468xx 3 years ago
what about putting this in an old carburated car, wich has no computer and sensors... and there is a way to remove your o2 sensor or your maf sensor if you are thinking going serious with de H you can remove your car computer and buy a MEGASQUIRT, its a programable computer/controller that controls the injection of "gasoline" (im thinking maybe 100% hydrogen) and the timing of the spark. If you would like to spend $600 and do the swap yourself :S cheers!
edgarinv 3 years ago
On ebay, I found an O2 sensor spacer to eleveate any problems with throttle body injection. Only cost $9.00 Just a idea! It was made for this very purpose.
BipolarProject 3 years ago
Umm you need nothing on a old carb car just manually lean it our with the air fuel screws thats the easiest car to add hho to.
Vistal1 3 years ago
Lizard Can you tell me what to do about the O2 Sensor. IM building one and I know that is going to be a problem. Thanks For any help. Jack ass that don't believe. Do this to prove us wrong. Get some plates and hook them up put it in water with soda.... then after a few minutes get a torch and lite!!!
Yomanx24 3 years ago
Its a work in progress dude. Some vehicles you can purchase the electronics to handle it, or order them aftermarket. A lot of them though the sensor isn't even giving us problems. We got one on a Chrysler Van and it hasn't effected it at all, but the Chevy truck we put it on it made it worse.
lizard2006 3 years ago
O2 sensor problem solved. Found a part custom made on ebay for this problem. I will look for the aution again, and post it here. But you could find it under O2sensor spacer , good luck.
BipolarProject 3 years ago
There are three types of people who believe this bullshit:
1. deranged druggies
2. uneducated booger eating-morons
3. tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy nutburgers
No one ever got rich by underestimating the stupidity of the American public.
maltboy59 3 years ago
If we were trying to make money off it we'd find a better way then this. Its a WIP, and its not even guranted to work. I ain't ripping no one off, when I don't sell it, and neither does he. Hes put them on as favors. You need to think about what you are saying little boy, and back on off your high horse, because you are exaggerating ALOT. No one has mentioned selling this here. Theres directions on how to do it yourself FFS. This will surely clean out the American peoples pockets though lmao!
lizard2006 3 years ago
I just built one. It does work better on caruburated engines. No oxygen sensor. You need to bypass the O2sensor on computer cars to save gas. It is a boost. BTW to maker of vid. You should run a flashback arrester in line with your hose to the intake in case of backfire. Bronze fine mesh in tube between two barbs works good. YTube Flashback arrestor
MMadmike 3 years ago
part 6 of 6
Bottom line: This "technology" *does not work* and it's yet another means for the snake oil salesmen to prey upon the ignorance of the public. There is no such thing as a free lunch. Caveat emptor!
maltboy59 3 years ago
part 5 of 6
Even if these things did have an unlimited "free" current supply (and they don't) the amount of gas produced is so small it would only amount to a fraction of a percent of the fuel needed to run the engine. A gallon of water will only produce the energy equivalent of 1.3 quarts of gasoline. It will take *many hours and possibly days* for this device to hydrolyze a gallon of water. Do the math on that. It ain't enough.
maltboy59 3 years ago
part 4 of 6
Gasoline engines only run at about 10-20% efficiency. There is *always* some energy loss in the form of heat. The heat lost during the production of the additional current is energy down the drain. So basically you are putting in a pound of gasoline to get back a few ounces of hydrogen. It's like paying a dollar for a dime. Not a good trade.
maltboy59 3 years ago
lol, people are so stupid. The energy stored in Hyrdrogen is 1/4 that stopred in gasoline per liter. Thats in a liquid state. You would have to haul 60 gallons of pure liquid Hydrogen in your car to go the same distance as 15 gallons of gas. That would take an enormous amount of water and even greater amount of electricity to generate the hydrogen not to mention compressing it into liquid state. A damn quart of water is not going to create any amount of engergy.
buggar4466 3 years ago
this person is not running all hydrogen , it is boosting his fuel , so he doesn't have to burn as much fuel
leemer12 3 years ago
Amen. If cars ran on stupidity, some folks would have to empty their tanks once a week to keep them from overflowing.
maltboy59 3 years ago
Could Americans be taken for a fool one more time?
supaniceguy 3 years ago
malboy 59...you're really stupid...Know you how work a car? read more...
Chao
mastropiero2000 3 years ago
Yes. You know how work English?
maltboy59 3 years ago
Part 3of 6
Think about how a portable gasoline generator works. The gasoline engine always works harder when the generator is under load. Your car engine and alternator are no different. The engine has to work harder when the alternator is producing more current because the alternator requires more energy to spin. As a result, more gasoline is burned to produce the additional energy needed to turn the alternator.
maltboy59 3 years ago
the Alternator changes movement into energy. The alternator can produce x number of amps. It will still produce x amps at 5000rpm or 30000 rpm. Actually the alternator gets its energy from the magnetic core & copper wire. then the field is broken electrons are pushed through the wire - to +
Electron current is pulled up from the negative field.
Besides some of your conjectures are based on 100% full load. If a 89a load of 100a Alternator is used, 5a more won't make the engine run faster
Kegtapper 3 years ago
But hey, if you want to believe that some no-shirt-wearing cracker has solved the centuries-old quest for free energy with a few pieces of plastic pipe and some fender washers, then that's your God given right. Knock yourself out.
This thing DOES NOT WORK. Anyone who thinks it does is a booger-eating moron. The people who are selling them are liars and thieves. Period.
maltboy59 3 years ago
LOL I am a booger eating moron, it works. I have seen the improvements... Theres always some fucking moron who is to dumb to try it, or can't find someone who wants to demonstrate it, so they come here and post its bullshit. It makes since. Bacon Soda and fucking distilled water moron, 5 cell plates to bubble all you need is a relay fuse, it cost no money at all to do that. Its chump change to try it. It makes gasoline burn more efficient
lizard2006 3 years ago
What is bacon soda? Is that the new soft drink from Oscar Meyer? It's baking soda you idiot. You can't even spell a simple word because you are a illiterate dumbass and a shyster. And this cheesy piece of shit will do nothing but remove green from your wallet.
maltboy59 3 years ago
It hasn't removed anything from either of our wallets. I own a 78 thousand dollar Ford F550, I got more money then you could dream of kiddo. I work construction, and my friend works for Kimberly Clark, hes a master electrician. We both have a licenses to purchase Class B Explosives, and have been setting them off and doing shows for several surrounding areas for years! He likes to tinker with things, he don't even begin to sell it so back off dumb ass.
lizard2006 3 years ago
I know how an alternator works. Do you know about thermodynamics? Do you know it's impossible to get more energy out of a system than you put into it? Can you calculate fuel equivalents? Then explain how this POS can take a pint of water and convert it fast enough to make a bit of difference. You can't because it can't. Do you know that shysters come out of the woodwork to prey upon the hope and ignorance of the American public every time there's a fuel crisis? Apparently not.
maltboy59 3 years ago
Listen dumb fuck I am on lizards account to post that this does work. I have perfected it. I am a pyro technician, a master electrician, and I have several degrees as a mechanic, and a damn good one. Firstly and foremost this doesn't use the alternator, it does, but only to cause the cells to get hot enough to bubble the distilled water and bacon soda. This works, go try it then come back here. Yes in some cases this can cause you to get worse fuel economy, you gotta know what your doing.
lizard2006 3 years ago
So now that shyster lizard has to hide behind his friends like a little bitch. First you say the alternator isn't used, and then you contradict yourself. Master electrician my ass. More like a master-bator. Too bad they don't give out degrees in stupidity. You could be a doctor of idiotology. Here's an experiment for you. Take this worthless hunk of shit, hook it up to 440 AC and shove it up your ass. That will improve your mileage more than this ripoff shit you punks are foisting.
maltboy59 3 years ago
It is used but barely used to do anything other then acutally run the plates. People hook amps up to them all the time, do you think a simple relay fuse which can also be used to make it so your dims and brights work at the same time, would cause any problems with an alternator? No it wouldn't. Baking soda whatever it was late, like 3 AM.
lizard2006 3 years ago
maybe he works for the oil companies and they are paying him to slam every device that increases MPG?
Kegtapper 3 years ago
dude you may be rich with a $78k Ford truck, be a pyro tech etc (blah, blah, blah) but your understanding of electrolyis and how this really works is pretty flawed. 1st, the plates do not need to get hot for the water to "bubble." 2nd, I think you mean baking soda, not bacon soda. More properly this is sodium bicarbonate. It's used to increase the conductivity of the water. Lastly, the process must have electricity to work. You are probably pulling 10A to get the H2.
Montgisard 3 years ago
Why are they doing it this way? I'd just buy a big tub of h2so4 and drop some pennies in it
would bring an entire new meaning to "spare some change?"
jazzpsalti 3 years ago
free to use old drink cans on the street in h2so4,
gamzmasta 3 years ago
this maltboy and soem others surf around you tube and try and put their knowledge out like they know what their talking about. they talk Bs like these systems pull to much off a car alt and the alt reduces the gas millage more then the HHO will add to your cars millage. They have no clue how anything really works.
Vistal1 3 years ago
the idea in principal works, no doubt about it. But what seems to be lacking in the combustion dept. is that- the farther the injection of Hydrogen from the chamber, the less hydrogen is being ignited, That is why it should be close to the carb, or in. Another thing is, the volume of hydrogen produced. The may want to consider an additional agent- like ammonia (NH3) and water rather than Baking Soda (NAHCO3)- Nitrogen is already in air when burned.
Kegtapper 3 years ago
Part 2 of 6
The alternator requires energy to spin the armature. The higher the load on the alternator, the harder it is to spin the armature due to the increase in stator resistance.
Where does the alternator get its energy? It gets it from the gasoline engine.
maltboy59 3 years ago
Part 1 of 6
These things are a complete scam. Anyone with the most basic understanding of the laws of thermodynamics knows it takes more energy to split a water molecule than is recovered when it is recombined.
Think about it. Where does the energy (electricity) that's used to split the water come from? It comes from the car's alternator.
maltboy59 3 years ago
this H gas generating thing is real. I think the recent mental rise in oil prices could, in some way, be linked to the publics rising awareness of cheap, easily sourced H gas through processes like this. The day of oil and petrochemicals is ending. The system is beginning to change. They'll keep raising prices until we figure out we can get it for free and stop paying the cunts
noriordan 3 years ago
Its very very simple to make. You can still run off gasoline, you added distilled water with bacon soda, it bubbles and creates a hydrogen gas, and yes it works. There is people out here getting 70 mpg off this, its just how you prefect it. Its awesome.
lizard2006 3 years ago
Bullshit
yarddogg1 3 years ago
I can`t see a shit
osvcoira 3 years ago
I have heard that using SS causes production of hexavalent chromium, how true is this, and which metals will not do this and also not deteriorate in the process? NiTi? Platinized Niobium? Carbon? Please message me, I have researched this but could not find any info pertaining to HHo production. thank you!
lysergicaddict 3 years ago
hang on a sec, i didn't see any signs of the car moving in that. This still isn't happening for real, if it was, then it would be in this clip.
Fwuzeem 3 years ago
hello...
apart from the generator hydrogen wath need most to make your car work properly?
setbacks that brings this system to install in the car?
wath happens with the water that produce, and have you heard about the efie to control the o2 entrance...have you heard some else? i realy like to know.
good look.
fivedam 3 years ago
You need to make it with out the oil byproduct plastic.
tombo070 3 years ago
use less! dont make me wrong.
tommycp29 3 years ago
Um, if that actually works you better pattent that!!!!!!!!!!!! Unless you bought the plans from someone else.
xcracer2 3 years ago
what you need to do is design a water spliter that explodes inside the cumbustion chamber..
TommeyLeeReed 3 years ago
Whats nice about this setup is you don't have to modify your car engine. It works with any car and you wouldn't have to be a rocket engineer to set this up.
-Pete
mixcatcom 3 years ago
wow is real were a could get a hydrogen car.
llojaw 3 years ago
2br, This is like the 15th post i see with this information about pwmpower. Thanks, I was just about to order a pwm. I am going to go with vbtechnodotcom unit.
vb6josh 3 years ago
I'm not arguing the functionality of anything you build nor am I being arrogant trying to teach you a thing or two about engine management and how the systems work. There's always more then one way to skin a cat. 999 ways may work but there's only ONE right way. You should strive to find that right way. It is you who would be so arrogant to ignore free advice.
lazzer408 3 years ago
i never said you were wrong. i just said something must be working.. honestly i hate arguing over the internet with people i dont know.
kegfan 3 years ago
I'm not even using these systems. I'm just posting any input I can that may answer other peoples questions. Such as, why they work or what not to do. Only from an engine management standpoint. I know they work. =)
lazzer408 3 years ago
i meant vptechnodotcom
vb6josh 3 years ago
It's effect would depend on the map input gain in the ecu. Chances are the linearity of the signal will be negatively effected. You can play with signals all you want but the ecu is programed to compensate. It's goal is the air fuel ratio measured by the o2. I program engine management systems so trust me I know. When you've built 650hp 4 cylinders running off your own programing you can argue with me. =)
lazzer408 3 years ago
Ill argue with whoever i want. I don't care if you're john fuggin lingenfelter. The facts are there you believe whatever you want. I do not wish you any real negativity and i congratulate you on your success but arrogance kills, downright kills. Sorry, your statements do seem legit, but the numbers do not lie. I will keep it in mind and to my best to share it with the boards that i talk with. Thanks for the input.
kegfan 3 years ago
wow.. im such a d1ck. i didnt mean to be. anyway all i meant to say is that lots of people have successfully done this. there is more to it than an atv mechanic needs to know. once again, thanks for your input but I am not calling shenanigans yet.
kegfan 3 years ago
just goto eliminategas(dotcom_
googleproads 3 years ago
Warning:
P W M P O W E R . C O M has ripped me off for 277.95
No pwm...No efie...No money back!
Tell your HHO friends to use caution with these folks.
2br2br2 3 years ago
Unless you have a way to trick your OBDII computer, it will reset your fuel parameters when it detects the fuel consumption is out of wack.
Pro60modman 3 years ago
Yep. 99% of the ppl trying to do this miss the point that their engine has complex sensors and a computer that monitors things like cam timing, crankshaft timing, o2, catalytics, air/fuel mixture, etc. Plus I'm not even sure what the point of adding this thing to a car other than novelty and the Me Too complex. A real solution would be to replace gasoline with hydrogen fuel, and this means producing, storing and regulating pressure as well as managing OBDII
thetazzbot 3 years ago
Older cars and Diesals don't have o2 sensors. However there are "gadgets" for tricking the o2 sensor and alike. Granted it is another expence.
Yep, that is the real solution but we're about 50 yrs off from there. Untill then adding hydrogen / oxygen in a lean fuel mix not only gives better MPG it's a cleaner exhaust gas.
nolelox 3 years ago
Yea i know but im just looking at that car, its an 07 merc milan so unless he had an Apexi SAFC, the module from the people who sell the HAFC(hydrogen assist fuel cell), Greddy eManage, or some other kinda tuning software hes just hurting his car, primary his fuel injectors which will be turned WAY down by the ECU.
Pro60modman 3 years ago
Look it's not that hard. You put another source of fuel into the engine and the O2 sensor tells the ecu that the engine is running rich. The ecu then shortens the fuel injector pulse to compensate. It continues to shorten the pulse, lowering the amount of gasoline being injected, until Mr. O2 sensor say's all it well. It will not harm your engine in any way. Props to the people trying it. =)
lazzer408 3 years ago
actually the engine runs lean because the alternative fuel reads on the 02 sensor as oxygen instead of fuel, that is why you need the adapter to trick the o2 sensor into believing that the engine is getting too much fuel, it will cut the fuel down and you can add Hydrogen to compensate. do a little fine tuning and most ppl seem to report a 30-50 percent mixture.
kegfan 3 years ago
If it ran lean, or the o2 reads it as lean, then the ecu would add more fuel in it's attempt to reach a gasoline stoichiometric af ratio of ~14:7. In that case these cells would -hurt- fuel economy, not improve it.
lazzer408 3 years ago
you trick the ecu with a map sensor enhancer. you are exactly right, if the ecu thought it was running lean, it would add fuel to richen it up. but with the little map enhancer, you trick it into believing its running at the right ratio, when it is actually using 20-40% less fuel, substituting the lack of fuel with the hho derived from water, you use less gas. i suck at explaining things but i swear i understand it!
an hho system without a map enhancer is a waste of money, you are correct.
kegfan 3 years ago
Anything "tricking" the map sensor will make to significant a change. A map sensor is only used in a speed-density bassed injection system. Playing around with it's signal is not recomended. Not all vehicles use speed-density based fuel injection, so not all vehicles have a map sensor anyways. A simple resistor on the map sensor won't always work to modify the signal either.
lazzer408 3 years ago
what car is that?
Shinta786 3 years ago
I am open minded here. Would like to see promised MPG update.
Naysayers refer to free energy either directly or indirectly. Laws of physics. Thats not the point.
A battery holds a given charge. Excess charge is metered away (use it or lose it. Alternators do NOT drive the crank. They take whats given. Battary accepts whats given or throws it away. Here's the confusion for the word "free". Excess sustainable charge is being refered to as "free".
nolelox 3 years ago
Some variables here. Electrical energy, mechanical & thermal.
If the naysayers want the quote laws of physics shouldn't their equation encompass all? Their hypothasis is as flawled as the "sayers".
In short does this or does this not improve efficiency of burn in the combustion engine?
If it does then whats the cost after calculaing the benefit?
nolelox 3 years ago
my error. Last 3 posts are upside down. Please read from bottom.
When I said "Excess sustainable charse is being refered to as free". I meant the "sayers" were using it not the "naysayers".
nolelox 3 years ago
i can just say Booooooooooooooooooooooooooo, dont see this &$%&#%.
dougsosa 3 years ago
Rental? ha.
gregscottmaher 3 years ago
Wow, another worthless video, no narration about what I'm supposed to be looking at or what it does, just point the camera and shoot, then post on youtube, wow, how ingenious. That was another waste of my time. Maybe I should get my camera and go out to my car and shoot a video in silence and say that it runs on air and then post it. Yeah, maybe I'll do that, hey maybe I'll get over 100,000 hits too, how cool is that?
Cobrajet316 3 years ago 2
good morning man we are in the 2008 thes tecnolge what you thinck thats astuped for you its have been in the world from 1978 go and do some search and i have one allreday but i dont have agood camera i use the benfits of the fuell sell and you just dreming and complaying !! sory for the english. ho have afuel cell i saed to hem good gob!
zidane444 3 years ago
by the way, I KNOW it works because I built one and with an efie...got 27 miles per gallon...in my e-350 1 ton super duty cargo van! I used to get 9.5 mpg...
goturtlepoop 3 years ago
You are an outright liar.
txgiorgi 3 years ago
ok, here is the question....what type of stainless are you using and do you find that after time...it produces less gas?
goturtlepoop 3 years ago
that comment was the pseudo420
xadobox 3 years ago
look douchbage! Im not trying to put them down. ITS JUST YOU CANT DO IT! I want free power as much as the other guy. Im just trying to be realistic. A system that could provide enough power to make a difference on mileage would have to be bigger and more efficient.The amount of power you drain from the charging system is more then the power you get back from burning the hydrogen produced by this system. Im not trying to bring any one down. Again im only stating the truth.
Pseudo420 3 years ago
It can make a difference. Not at full throttle mind you. Lets look at what makes gas burn. Spark ignites it and Oxygen in air is the oxydizer. Hydrogen on its own is pretty useless in HHO. Its the Oxygen that makes the difference. Ambient air has 21% or so concentration Oxygen in HHO is 33% pure and 66% Hydrogen. So really its an oxidizer more than anything..not mean to be "free energy" No one here claims that. Its the dream but not likely. Again its a catalyst to the burn. Also more isnt better
YiuTeub 3 years ago
Txgiorgi is right. Any asshole whit 30 mins of time on their hands. Can hit up the web and find out that THIS SHIT DONT WORK. Hydrogen can be made from water. But to produce it you need energy. To produce enough hydrogen to run a car, would require a bigger system that wont fit in the car.
Pseudo420 3 years ago
I new there had to be intellegent life out there someplace. ;o) The internet is haven
for sukers who belive every video they see and everything written. It's a pile of shit
mixed in with truth and it doesn't take long to figure out what is shit and what is not.
txgiorgi 3 years ago
Some are claiming 80% boost in millage. How fucking absurd. That means with 2 boosters you can drop your gas tank out! LOL! Get real.
txgiorgi 3 years ago
How is it absurd? Have you tried it? Do you have any data to back up your claim? Im not sure it works either but dont put someone down for trying. Your math and science are shit btw. with 80% drop that means there is 20% left right? now if doubled what does that mean? 80% of the remaining 20% and so on and so forth. Its meant to be a catalyst not a replacement. ASSISTED burn. Go back to playing with your cock and surf parez hilton.
YiuTeub 3 years ago
Assisted burn sounds good except tha amount of assistance is grossly exagerated. If you understood basic pysics you would know that assistance is about what you would get if you installed some pedals in your car like a biclycle. ;o)
txgiorgi 3 years ago