&I WOULD'VE DONE THE EXACT SAME & RELEASED DEFENSELESS ANIMALS!..AT LEAST THERE ARE KIND PEOPLE WITH HEARTS LEFT IN THE WORLD WHO STAND UP FOR SILENT CRIES OF CREATURES THAT ARE UNHEARD!..FOR THOSE OFYOU WHO SAY THAT IT WAS CHILDISH & LACK OF MORALS . THESE ANIMALS HAVE HEARTS,FEELINGS & BREATHE THE SAME AIR AS WE DO TOO!..HOW ABOUT YOU TRY BEING CRUELLY EXPERIMENTED ON OVER & OVER AGAIN! ALF KEEP DOING WHAT YOU DO BEST & I DEFINATELY SUPPORT YOU GUYS!:)
some day society will view the ALF the way it now views the people who ran the underground railroad and the way it views oskar schindler, those people in their time did what is right in the face of a brutal and ignorant system, then they were outlaws, but today they are heroes, the same goes for the ALF, they are on the side of right, hopefully everyone will see it sooner then later
@TheAntiV im sure some slave owner said something along those lines about the abolitionist movement before the civil war, look at the sentiment on this page, look at the laws changing all over the US and europe, your a small minded man, who hasnt thought his moral position through, i read your profile, any monkey can pontificate on equilibrium
LOL!!! Nice try stupid. But equating the plight of African Americans and all they fought for to an animal is beyond insulting. Laws changing? Hey fuckface your dumb little Free the Seaworld orcas thing got chucked out the window by the supreme court and people still eat meat.
To equate racism to using animals is highly childish and illogical. Maybe it's time you woke up little girl.
@TheAntiV its insulting why? cause elaine brown said so on the daily show? you fucking parrot...think for yourself, no one is comparing african americans to animals, the comparison is in the ideology, the same mode of thinking that allowed us to abuse each other is used to abuse animals, and we're still not treating each other equally, so i dont assume that animal cruelty will end tomorrow, sadly most of the blame for human and animal cruelty lies on small minded shits like you
Why the fuck is Elaine Brown? I don't even know who the fuck that is, goatfucker. I don't abuse animals you pompous judgmental cock sucker. Unless of course you count your mothers pussy. Are you so twisted that you believe that everyone who disagrees with you likes to abuse animals? Grow the fuck up. It' not about a mindset or an ideology. It's fucking logic. Animals are stupid, so to equate our treatment to them as the same as inequality to minorities is fucking stupid.
@TheAntiV thats fucking retarded, if we base our treatment of others on intelligence then it would ok for the smart to abuse the dumb and the mentally challenged, like i said you havent thought your position through, and i never said you abused animals, i said the ideas of superiority is what drives the abuse of people and animals by other people, i can see that your just unable to grasp this concept, luckily we dont live in a world where id be allowed to abuse you based on your stupidity
The central analogy to the civil rights movement and the women’s movement is trivializing and ahistorical. Both of those social movements were initiated and driven by members of the dispossessed and excluded groups themselves, not by benevolent men or white people acting on their behalf. Both movements were built precisely around the idea of reclaiming and reasserting a shared humanity in the face of a society that had deprived it and denied it.
No civil rights activist or feminist ever argued, “We’re sentient beings too!” They argued, “We’re fully human too!” Animal liberation doctrine, far from extending this humanist impulse, directly undermines it.
Carl Cohen argued that racism and sexism are wrong because there are no relevant differences between the sexes or races. Between people and animals however, there are significant differences, and they do not qualify for Kantian personhood, and as such have no rights.
@TheAntiV carl cohens views on rights are inherently flawed, he argues that in order for one to have rights one must be able to make a moral claim, people with severe down syndrome, alzheimer's and other severe mental disorders cannot do this, but i think cohen would not advocate for the use of the mentally impaired in laboratories, its very arrogant to assume that one has to verbally communicate a moral claim to a human to be eligible for ethical treatment this reeks of imperialistic reasoning
@TheAntiV the truth is that is it amoral to cause pain and suffering to anything that is capable of feeling pain and suffering, all one has to do is extend very human feeling of empathy to the victim to see that its is simply unjust to inflict suffering on conscious beings, the golden rule applies here and all the high brow apologetics of carl cohen cant reason their way out of it
@TheAntiV anyway the assertion made by cohen is clearly the luxury of the victimizer, had cohen been the victim im sure he'd sing a very different tune, the man did some great work in civil rights but sadly this doesnt mean his expertise extends any further then that, carl cohen also makes the insane argument that using inmates as science test subjects is also morally correct, his arguments on morality are flawed to say the least
Maybe if you haven't noticed you fucking idiot but those are mental illnesses. Animals behave the way they do not because they have a mental illness but due to inherent instinct. No it reeks of logic? Imperialism? Do you even realize how fucking stupid you sound? This is why no one takes you clowns seriously. And yes, they have to communicate a moral claim to be held equal, otherwise there is no other point to.
LOL!!! Pain is nothing more than an biologically adaptive response. Nothing more and nothing less. Complex emotion and reasoning skills are another thing entirely. So if a lion inflicts pain onto his prey is the lion being immoral? How about our hunter and gatherer ancestors? Were they being evil? Your introducing human made concepts of rights and morals to beings have no comprehension of either. It's pure childish.
@TheAntiV You sound smart so you should understand this. Although morals don't exist, it is obviously discrimination for humans to protect one species from suffering (humans) while not protecting others, even though they both have equal capacity to suffer. THAT is the main point. It could be argued that it is not immoral to inflict pain to animals, but to be consistent one must also agree with human suffering in the same way. And since humans don't allow that, theymustremain consistent
Sorry honey, but in the real world that doesn't work. Emotions can be deceiving. Believing something is amoral being it makes you sad is extremely naive and simple-minded. Do you honestly think an animal, such as a chicken gives a shit about you extending empathy? Or some rodent? Life isn't like what you saw in The Lion King.
If he was the victim he wouldn't be saying anything BECAUSE HE WOULD OF BEEN A FUCKING ANIMAL!!!!
Where has Cohen stated that using inmates as science test subjects is morally correct? Seriously do any of you have any scientific support amongst any academic fields? No. None. Because we can all see this is entirely about childish emotion.
@TheAntiV honestly i wouldnt even get into this shit with you over anything else, unfortunately this is bigger then your little plee for moderation, because whats at stake are the lives of beings that feel pain and fear just like you do, and are living miserable lives and dying horrible deaths, and people like you are either apathetic or hostile to the idea of any type of reform, anyone with a moral compas can see that this is unacceptable
Tell me, do you even have the balls to say this to a poor African tribe? No you wouldn't. So what if they feel? Who the fuck cares? Certainly not the animal that's for sure. Do the animals go around starting up animal rights groups? Nope. Let's face it. There isn't a single reason to equate a human life to a single thing. NOT ONE THING. Consuming meat is natural and to be against such a thing is practically moronic and childish.
@TheAntiV so because animals dont behave -in human society- the way that is deemed by you to be the right way to behave -in order to gain their rights-then they arent entitled to rights, thats straight cultural elitism, the concept of human superiority comes from the primitive concepts presented in the bible, humans are nothing more then animals, our superiority is figment of our imagination, and im confused about what poor african tribes have to do with this?
Apparently your comments are getting so ridiculous that the internet has deemed it necessary to mark them as spam. Animals don't have culture you moron. Your inserting human concepts into animal behavior you fucking idiot. The concept of human superiority come from science and nature. If we are not superior then we certainly have significant differences. My point about the poor African tribes exposes your selective targeting of certain cultures over another.
This should be happening all over the globe, all cages should be empty by now. 2012 and the plight of animals is worsening, it isn't getting any better for them. So lets sort it out...
HURTING ANIMALS IS BARBARIC, NO MATTER WHAT ANY ONE SAYS .. PLUS WHO GAVE THEM THE RIGHT TO GO OUTSIDE GRAB A ANIMAL AND START FUCKEN AROUND?.. this is animal abuse. BEING DONE BEHIND A VEIL OF " bull shit " we WANT THE WORLD TO STOP EXPERIMENTING ON ANIMALS.
@superbeauthy what? I responded to Stainlessfights4u's comment "Thanks to animal testing these terrorists will live an average of 24 more years." I am a vegetarian, and don't buy products that are tested on animals.
The ALF put a Molotov cocktail on an innocent old ladies porch because they fucked up and they also tried to car bomb someone; so fuck them, that's the definition of terrorist. They literally incite terror to get what they want.
@almostskater3210 The ALF is not an ordinary organization. There is no leadership, or actual "members". It is more like an idea - Anyone that is breaking into a lab to save animals can claim it was done by the ALF, but only if he followed specific rules, like not hurting any animal, including humans. Those people you describe are not part of the ALF.
And do you know why hate crimes are considered acts of terror? Because they incite copy cats, so whether or not the ALF directly commits terrorists acts, they at least indirectly influence them by influencing others
@TheOriginalThreeP I might walk up to you one day, and tell you, "I know what you stand for, you regressive dumb neo-nazi!!! and also, i would inform/educate you that if you CONFRONT someone, REMOVE a hoodie from them, saying "LOOKS LIKE I JUST DID" and HOLD them into submission, then you are the person assaulting, not the assaulted, you are the terrorizing party, you big dumb piece of shit!! get your facts straight
I absolutely love science and psychology, they're actually what brought me to the ideals of animal rights. It sucks to see years of research destroyed, and I probably wouldn't have smashed the hard drives, but until scientific ethics are extended to all sentient beings, I'm on the side of the ALF.
@TheChoujinVirus YOU BIG TURD, you probably eat animals and you smell like your nasty ass turd!! people like you is what is wrong with this world!!! you regressive conformist!!! you have master mentality of superiority but a mind of a dumb-ass !!!! you speciest piece of shit!!!!!!!!!!!! You should evolve and educate yourself; but you will probably go back to your little box, you brainwashed little fuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@johnkilljoysmith i suggest doing some more research...these methods are actually pretty effective...a lot of times the places close down rather than get more animals
@johnkilljoysmith Why don't you take their place and spend your life in a cage being experimented on then? Humans, and maybe even other animals, could benefit greatly.
Yes this is terrorism. ALF should be jailed. there destroying industry. they also believe that animals have the same thought as people. they dont otherwise they would be civilized.
Yes this is terrorism. ALF should be jailed. there destroying industry. they also believe that animals have the same thought as people. they dont otherwise they would be civilized
@outofthisworldherps Well this isn't terrorism actually because it doesn't hurt any human being, though it is obviously illegal. But the only question is "is this wrong or right"? If somebody in 1942 in a concentration camp helped some jews to escape, it was an illegal act, but would you blame him? Yes, humans are different from animals, and nobody thinks we're the same, BUT our phisical (not psychological) suffering is very similar. So they're saving them from torture. I think they're right.
@HellPatrol92 It is terrorism look it up the ALF is classified as domestic terrorism group. The Jewish people were and still are much more conscious than animals. An animals doesn’t get terrified of these things. I keep lots of reptiles so i know that animals are certainly conscious, but to a much different level than us. Plus the fact Jews liberated from those camps survived these animals cant survive in the wild and will die.
@outofthisworldherps Theres not a real definition of terrorism,and they're classified so because in america money's god, and they try to kill this god. By the way reptiles are not mammals,mammals are more conscious than them. Reptiles dont move,take the energry from the sun and then go hunting, that's their life. Mammals are more consciious,and, as i said, i'm not saying animals are like humans,but they'rephysically tortured,and they do feel pain,their reactions are pain, not mere reactions
@outofthisworldherps Aprt from that anyone has their own opinion, but ALF doesnt hurt people, it is animal torture vs money, not animal torture vs mankind's future or anything else. Just think what you want, but be careful, probably there's somebody who's an extremist, but the biggest part of the ALF doesnt think animals = people, they just think animals' (mammals, not bugs)welfare > money
The industry needs to be destroyed. You're obviously too fucking ignorant and stupid to realize this. Your spelling gives me a glimpse into your feeble mental capacity.
@gnarsmoke the fact that you swear so much is hurting you're cause. you're only making things up about other people and not talking about how stealing rabbits and thinking you're "saving them" makes sense. would you say everything you've said here to some ones face? also you are as well being ignorant because you're not realizing that very few rabbit breeders mistreat there animals. some people mistreat dogs and cats. should we steal everyones dogs and cats and pu them in the wild?
"Additionally, two animal labs and three vivisector's offices were entered and all contents relating to animal research were destroyed. "
You do realize how important that research could of been for animals and humans? You are just extremist with no knowledge or appreciation for science and what it does. I hope you get caught next time and get your just rewards and that the researcher backed their shit up.
This is an interesting quote i read about the hyprocrisy:
Ask the experimenters why they experiment on animals, and the answer is: "Because the animals are like us." Ask the experimenters why it is 'morally' okay to experiment on animals, and the answer is: "Because the animals are not like us." Animal experimentation rests on a logical contradiction. ~Charles R. Magel
@cole3454657 I'm a fag? For showing a quote on how these people can sleep at night. Any vitamins (non pharmas) i take are veggie caps, so what does that have to do with me? Nothing, Im pointing out hyprocrisy, as are you.
@ItsAllChaos Yeah, terrorizing people with threats or violence to stop them from doing something you don't agree with. Do YOU know what terrorism means?
@hundredand well they have never hurt anyone, and I surely doubt they would actually harm any of these people... anyway, I used to think that it is wrong what they do, fighting immorality while using immoral acts themselves like threatening people, but fuck it. Morality doesn't exist anyways, they're only fighting fire with fire. Besides, if violence and terror is the only thing these people understand, then those are the means that the ALF shall use to stop them. *
@hundredand * "those who make peaceful revolution impossible, are making violent revolution inevitable". You know, people sound really smart and phylosophical when they say "oh that's morally wrong, bla bla bla", but when you are one of the victims, your point of view is a little bit different...
@ItsAllChaos It's terrorism, plain and simple, whether good or bad. Anyways, you're right, this is all point of view. I personally think humans are more important than animals and would save a human over a dog ANY day. I also approve of testing on animals if it will save human lives, that's just me, and obviously I'm outnumbered here :P
@hundredand ahahah, ok it's terrorism, I'll give you that. And I also value more the life of a human being. If you ask me if I want my brother dead, or my cat dead, the answer is obvious... But I think it is worth it to threat one guilty person's life in order to save hundreds of innocent dogs and mice :\ and animal tests are mostly useless nowadays. We have great technologies but unfortunately our ways of thinking remain primitive lol. Oh and you being outnumbered doesn't prove you're wrong :P
You people are nutjobs. Destroying priceless research doesn't help ANYONE, animals or non-animals. Of course people don't want animals to be abused. Its wrong but you idiots lost 90% of the population when you started threatening humans. The live of a mice isn't worth the life of a thinking human being.
@guitargczr699 I don't think you need to sign up xD I'm thinking about doing something at my local area, like spraying the butchers windows and maybe destroying a delivery truck :P
god help everyone if I get into the AFL. I came here because of an animal abuse video and im almost fucking homicidal, my guns are begging me to be used....
For those who think animal testing "saves lives", i have some needed information for you. It doesn't. In fact, animal testing has resulted in the DEATHS of thousands of people, because Animals and People react COMPLETELY DIFFERENT to things. We take information we get from testing animals, and when we apply it to people, oh hey! It doesn't work... And believe me, animals testing causes Pain, both physical and psychological, they aren't going to admit to that though.
why do u use animals to solve humans problems.if u have cancer most likely its ur fault, dont abuse animals to fix ur mistakes it will never work. test humans not animals there are more bad humans then there is animals and stevie2014 ur a dumbass u would have never made it through college your probably some DUMBASS 12 yr old thinking your hard on the computer and that gun you have that u SHOOT animals with im not gonna shoot you with it ima nock you upside the dome with it a couple times..ya
thanks alf. you've officially removed my tuition money for my education to pay for the animals that were replaced as soon as they were removed from the facility. so mislead... while humans go hungry you find the time to 'liberate' animals. honestly, come try to liberate my dogs, your shit will get rocked by the same thing i hunt animals with.
haha these guys got busted and are awaiting trial, they cost the university 250k in equipment and slowed research by 4 months, in the end by doing this the university had to restock its 'subjects' so they essentially caused more animal lives to be wasted, good job alf
you guys are a bunch of fucking idiots get a life and leave other peoples shit alone i hope they find all of you and put you in little cages and give you anal probes you guys are nothing but a bunch of fucking sissys who had no friends in elementary and now you are trying to make up for your lost cause stop smoking your pot and doing meth you got a problem with what im saying? cuz if you do kiss my ass
@JADEAV i'm sure its extremly hard to get in, they would be ever so careful who they would let in and you have have to be willing to go jail for the rest of your life for this cause
@JADEAV As I understand it, the ALF is organized like the ELF is. It's not something you join. It's something you do. It's made up of autonomous cells. If you agree with their principals, you can carry out an action in their name. Since there isn't any kind of a formal organizational structure or hierarchy, it makes it harder to stop them. So if you want to be involved with ALF, get together with some people and do it. I don't have the guts do what they do. But I agree with their actions.
@Shinebakaaho yeah its cool that they burn down universities' labs that use the animal research for "research." When a person destroy Knowledge we lose the everything we were trying to achieve. So we have to start from scratch and get "more" animals and put them through the same expiriments all over again. So ALF is causeing more harm to both mankind and the animals
" if we weren't the fittest we would have been extinct hundreds of thousands of years ago"
By this logic humans should be the only specie left because all others would have been extinct hundreds of thousands of years ago beacause they were not the fittest
oh man, every bit of your last comment is oozing with retard like stupidity, there is no survival of the fittest when hunters take the biggest and strongest that is the fucking OPPOSITE of survival of the fittest moron. And the fact that you would "choose" for any specie to go extinct shows what a short sighted idiot you really are, when humans cause a complete collapse and we don't survive either you will see how they were the least fit of all, do the animals a favor and off YOUR self
@TheMdc78 i dont see human race causing "complete collapse" for at least another millenium... you don't see all the wild life around you because you are too couped up on a computer, go outside and wrestle a bear, i did it once and won... and you love to take words out of my mouth and reword it... i said i would choose for any species to go extinct if it involved my species to go extinct... you are the one that is short minded if you have to resort to taking half a sentence and rewording it
@Inv4derxXx And how does our species make itself important? Saying humans are special or more important because we're human only is plain stupidity. Any logical, moral person would save a loving pet or an abusive parent or mean relative anytime. Humans are a shit-stain on the planet and you denialists just can't see it as you're oozing self-importance juice to make yourself feel special. Pathetic...
@TheMdc78 that is survival of the fittest... the species that is most adapted to its environment and can repopulate everywhere easily, while also defending itself and maintaining homeostasis is survival of the fittest... if we weren't the fittest we would have been extinct hundreds of thousands of years ago, even our primate cousins would have been extinct if we haven't intervened on the illegal poaching, and the repopulation in their reserves
@Inv4derxXx That is completely retarded... If we hadn't evolved in the first place or actually were smart enough to NOT be anthropocentric, we wouldn't have hunted our primate cousins in the first place. Even now, we're populating WAY too much and taking acres and acres per year of land away from every other species that needs it. We're nothing but a disusting shit from Stan's ass. And the immensely anthropocentric people are the worst of us. The ALF the best.
@vgman94 you don't realize that our population isn't a problem... this planet can support up to 100 billion people... some scientist would say 1 trillion... when our population does become overwhelming nature will bring it down... thats what you vegan-tards don't realize, look @ katrina, earthquakes, and floods... and i don't know where you are from that you are taking acres and acres of land but in my place there is so much wildlife that you risk dying if you are driving late at night
@Inv4derx Why are people like you such small-minded denialists? It takes at least 1 acre to feed people. Only 13-14% if the land is livable for Humans. And let's not forget the immorality of destroying THOUSANDS of other species just so WE could have space, when they need it much more. What is it with you anti-animal wackos thinking the world belongs to you? And as for the wildlife in your aea, if there were less people, you'd live in a less populated area. You do Earth a favor & drown yourself.
@vgman94 why should i kill myself... the human race is good in my book... now do the math here if 13% percent of land is livable by humans.... 70% of earth is water 30% is land, that means 4 percent of earth is livable by humans... u be open minded and do your math, i have to call bullshit on that... here some questions for you... on a random guess, how many species are there on this planet, how many people do you think this planet can support, how much longer do you think we have???
@Inv4derxXx Human race is good? I guess you've never seen Earthlings or Meet Your Meat, have you? Even you did, you'd deny the whole thing. If there is only 4%, then that means our wasteful and anthropocentric bullshit has to stop with ene more urgency. How many? I'd guess about 1-3 billion, but are decreasing by the day thanks to humans. How many humans? If we destroyed ALL we could for ourselves, I'd say 20 billion, NOT that it's right. How much longer? About 20-50 years I'd say.
@vgman94 if you took my last comment as saying there is only 4 percent of earth left, you read incorrectly, that is how much we live on, 4 %... how is the human race bad after all you are one ? have you ever heard of survival of the fittest, learn it and live it
@Inv4derxXx I see. So there's 10% more land to live on... And yet we've already driven dozens of species into extinction. Read below at other comments. I'm not speciesist. Just becasue I'm human, I have to like humans after all the shit humans do to me and each other (and animals). Survival of the fittest? Then why do some rhinos and a species of bird form a symbiotic relationship? This might makes right BS was also used in Nazi times to torture Jews. Live it? I'd rater save animals then humans.
@vgman94 they form a symbiotic relationship because without them they would die... just like how sharks let certain fish clean them... but without those fish the shark would die, and without the shark the fish would die... obviously our species is more fit than that... read the last lines in your comment, learn grammar before you try and compare holocausts...and humans are animals too hurr de durr
@Inv4derxXx One error, it's not that bad. At least I have capitalization. We're more fit, so what? That doesn't give us the right to fuck up everything. And yes, humans are animals too, which is why we're the evolutionary equivilent to the Devil. I'd really like to know how you'd feel if scientists cut your spinal cord and made you vomit until you die. How would you feel? Terrible because you'd be DYING. We have no right to do that to any species, human or otherwise.
@vgman94 if scientists cut my spinal cord i wouldn't feel anything, you would literally go limp, the cheetah, most elephants (especially asian), polar bears... and your Californian black bear is the north american black bear, and it isn't extinct... and you had 3 errors in one sentence and in your last post you had another one too... its ok i can't read your posts because you capitalize so that makes it better, Grammar > spelling and capitalization
@Inv4derxXx also we control which species can go extinct... why do you think africa has wild reserves, and we have zoos, if a species beneficial to the earth is going extinct we will intervene and do our best to save it... but if there is another species that does the same thing, has nearly the same genetic makeup, and reproduces at a faster rate, why should we even bother
@Inv4derxXx If we are the cause of a species extinction, we have the moral responsibility to try to bring it back (animal cloning) and bring those back from being endangered. The key rule is that we are NOT the center of the world, weather or not we have the power to control anything, the pojnt is to restrict ourselves for their sake.
@Inv4derxXx I'm fucking half asleep and burned out by fighting with another guy non-stop. Give me a break. Not the whole spinal cod, I should've said a spinal NERVE. Grammer IS spelling and capitalization. Zoos are pretty cruel. The Tasmanian Tiger died of neglect in zoos. If a species is benefical to the Earth? Alright, join VHEMT and die out so the Earth can be free from pollution and overpopulating humans who kill Asiatic lions because they eat their livestock. Why bother? Morality.
@vgman94 lol you spelled grammar wrong... your for animal liberation, when you bring up cloning, do you understand how many sheep died just to produce the cloned sheep, you support stuff created by animal cruelty yet you are against it... hypocritical i must say
@Inv4derxXx Grammer, grammar. It's relatively irrelevant. I'll admit, I should check my posts for spelling errors in the future. WHAT?! Are you saying sheep were killed for this, or are you just saying their embryos? If it was only their embryos, then I don't care. Abortion, using embryonic testing (the type I think I know, anyway) is not wrong. It's not killing a conscious life. If it is actually cruel to the animals, then I don't like it, however.
@Inv4derxXx You know, I've always been pro-choice about abortion, but if your ideology extends to animals, I'm almost tempted to reconsider. I mean, yes, it's a sad thing to do, but I don't consider it killing in the general sense. I am not a hypocrite as I do extend this towards myself, because I'm pretty sure I didn't and couldn't care if I was aborted early enough in the pregnancy.
@vgman94 also there are a total of about 2 million species on this planet, we lose about 20k each year but we find find 16k every year it would take 200 years to lose every known species on this planet to go extinct at that rate, but most of the species that go extinct are various plants and insects, name me one animal you think is in danger of extinction and i will inform you on some facts
@Inv4derxXx The Asiatic Lion, many types of Elephant, African Cheetah, Polar Bear, many whales, Siberian Tiger, Asian Tiger (or Chinese, whatever). Yes, but those species existed before. They didn't just NOT exist before WE found them. So it's hard to be accurate of how many species there are. Also, what about the California Black Bear> It went extinct probably due to human hunting and urban sprawl as large factors.
You are wrong our species is not more important, that statement is what makes you an idiot, no other species puts up fences to keep their food supply separate from the rest, no other species hunts down and eliminates its competition and no their species performs twisted medical experiments on other species. Mankind has brought an entire world to its knees and won't stop til it and every member of every species is extinct, according to you this is what makes us more important, sickening
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&I WOULD'VE DONE THE EXACT SAME & RELEASED DEFENSELESS ANIMALS!..AT LEAST THERE ARE KIND PEOPLE WITH HEARTS LEFT IN THE WORLD WHO STAND UP FOR SILENT CRIES OF CREATURES THAT ARE UNHEARD!..FOR THOSE OFYOU WHO SAY THAT IT WAS CHILDISH & LACK OF MORALS . THESE ANIMALS HAVE HEARTS,FEELINGS & BREATHE THE SAME AIR AS WE DO TOO!..HOW ABOUT YOU TRY BEING CRUELLY EXPERIMENTED ON OVER & OVER AGAIN! ALF KEEP DOING WHAT YOU DO BEST & I DEFINATELY SUPPORT YOU GUYS!:)
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ill piss all over her face
moochacho11 1 week ago
some day society will view the ALF the way it now views the people who ran the underground railroad and the way it views oskar schindler, those people in their time did what is right in the face of a brutal and ignorant system, then they were outlaws, but today they are heroes, the same goes for the ALF, they are on the side of right, hopefully everyone will see it sooner then later
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@TheAntiV im sure some slave owner said something along those lines about the abolitionist movement before the civil war, look at the sentiment on this page, look at the laws changing all over the US and europe, your a small minded man, who hasnt thought his moral position through, i read your profile, any monkey can pontificate on equilibrium
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LOL!!! Nice try stupid. But equating the plight of African Americans and all they fought for to an animal is beyond insulting. Laws changing? Hey fuckface your dumb little Free the Seaworld orcas thing got chucked out the window by the supreme court and people still eat meat.
To equate racism to using animals is highly childish and illogical. Maybe it's time you woke up little girl.
TheAntiV 3 weeks ago
@TheAntiV its insulting why? cause elaine brown said so on the daily show? you fucking parrot...think for yourself, no one is comparing african americans to animals, the comparison is in the ideology, the same mode of thinking that allowed us to abuse each other is used to abuse animals, and we're still not treating each other equally, so i dont assume that animal cruelty will end tomorrow, sadly most of the blame for human and animal cruelty lies on small minded shits like you
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Why the fuck is Elaine Brown? I don't even know who the fuck that is, goatfucker. I don't abuse animals you pompous judgmental cock sucker. Unless of course you count your mothers pussy. Are you so twisted that you believe that everyone who disagrees with you likes to abuse animals? Grow the fuck up. It' not about a mindset or an ideology. It's fucking logic. Animals are stupid, so to equate our treatment to them as the same as inequality to minorities is fucking stupid.
TheAntiV 3 weeks ago
@TheAntiV thats fucking retarded, if we base our treatment of others on intelligence then it would ok for the smart to abuse the dumb and the mentally challenged, like i said you havent thought your position through, and i never said you abused animals, i said the ideas of superiority is what drives the abuse of people and animals by other people, i can see that your just unable to grasp this concept, luckily we dont live in a world where id be allowed to abuse you based on your stupidity
burn435353 3 weeks ago
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The central analogy to the civil rights movement and the women’s movement is trivializing and ahistorical. Both of those social movements were initiated and driven by members of the dispossessed and excluded groups themselves, not by benevolent men or white people acting on their behalf. Both movements were built precisely around the idea of reclaiming and reasserting a shared humanity in the face of a society that had deprived it and denied it.
TheAntiV 3 weeks ago
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No civil rights activist or feminist ever argued, “We’re sentient beings too!” They argued, “We’re fully human too!” Animal liberation doctrine, far from extending this humanist impulse, directly undermines it.
Carl Cohen argued that racism and sexism are wrong because there are no relevant differences between the sexes or races. Between people and animals however, there are significant differences, and they do not qualify for Kantian personhood, and as such have no rights.
TheAntiV 3 weeks ago
@TheAntiV carl cohens views on rights are inherently flawed, he argues that in order for one to have rights one must be able to make a moral claim, people with severe down syndrome, alzheimer's and other severe mental disorders cannot do this, but i think cohen would not advocate for the use of the mentally impaired in laboratories, its very arrogant to assume that one has to verbally communicate a moral claim to a human to be eligible for ethical treatment this reeks of imperialistic reasoning
burn435353 3 weeks ago
@TheAntiV the truth is that is it amoral to cause pain and suffering to anything that is capable of feeling pain and suffering, all one has to do is extend very human feeling of empathy to the victim to see that its is simply unjust to inflict suffering on conscious beings, the golden rule applies here and all the high brow apologetics of carl cohen cant reason their way out of it
burn435353 3 weeks ago
@TheAntiV anyway the assertion made by cohen is clearly the luxury of the victimizer, had cohen been the victim im sure he'd sing a very different tune, the man did some great work in civil rights but sadly this doesnt mean his expertise extends any further then that, carl cohen also makes the insane argument that using inmates as science test subjects is also morally correct, his arguments on morality are flawed to say the least
burn435353 3 weeks ago
@burn435353
I'm not talking simply about intelligence. We are talking about the dramatic intelligence differences between humans and animals.
TheAntiV 3 weeks ago
@burn435353
Maybe if you haven't noticed you fucking idiot but those are mental illnesses. Animals behave the way they do not because they have a mental illness but due to inherent instinct. No it reeks of logic? Imperialism? Do you even realize how fucking stupid you sound? This is why no one takes you clowns seriously. And yes, they have to communicate a moral claim to be held equal, otherwise there is no other point to.
TheAntiV 3 weeks ago
@burn435353
LOL!!! Pain is nothing more than an biologically adaptive response. Nothing more and nothing less. Complex emotion and reasoning skills are another thing entirely. So if a lion inflicts pain onto his prey is the lion being immoral? How about our hunter and gatherer ancestors? Were they being evil? Your introducing human made concepts of rights and morals to beings have no comprehension of either. It's pure childish.
TheAntiV 3 weeks ago
@TheAntiV You sound smart so you should understand this. Although morals don't exist, it is obviously discrimination for humans to protect one species from suffering (humans) while not protecting others, even though they both have equal capacity to suffer. THAT is the main point. It could be argued that it is not immoral to inflict pain to animals, but to be consistent one must also agree with human suffering in the same way. And since humans don't allow that, theymustremain consistent
MasterTheFear 2 weeks ago 2
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Sorry honey, but in the real world that doesn't work. Emotions can be deceiving. Believing something is amoral being it makes you sad is extremely naive and simple-minded. Do you honestly think an animal, such as a chicken gives a shit about you extending empathy? Or some rodent? Life isn't like what you saw in The Lion King.
TheAntiV 3 weeks ago
@burn435353
If he was the victim he wouldn't be saying anything BECAUSE HE WOULD OF BEEN A FUCKING ANIMAL!!!!
Where has Cohen stated that using inmates as science test subjects is morally correct? Seriously do any of you have any scientific support amongst any academic fields? No. None. Because we can all see this is entirely about childish emotion.
TheAntiV 3 weeks ago
@TheAntiV honestly i wouldnt even get into this shit with you over anything else, unfortunately this is bigger then your little plee for moderation, because whats at stake are the lives of beings that feel pain and fear just like you do, and are living miserable lives and dying horrible deaths, and people like you are either apathetic or hostile to the idea of any type of reform, anyone with a moral compas can see that this is unacceptable
burn435353 3 weeks ago
@burn435353
Tell me, do you even have the balls to say this to a poor African tribe? No you wouldn't. So what if they feel? Who the fuck cares? Certainly not the animal that's for sure. Do the animals go around starting up animal rights groups? Nope. Let's face it. There isn't a single reason to equate a human life to a single thing. NOT ONE THING. Consuming meat is natural and to be against such a thing is practically moronic and childish.
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@TheAntiV so because animals dont behave -in human society- the way that is deemed by you to be the right way to behave -in order to gain their rights-then they arent entitled to rights, thats straight cultural elitism, the concept of human superiority comes from the primitive concepts presented in the bible, humans are nothing more then animals, our superiority is figment of our imagination, and im confused about what poor african tribes have to do with this?
burn435353 3 weeks ago
@burn435353
Apparently your comments are getting so ridiculous that the internet has deemed it necessary to mark them as spam. Animals don't have culture you moron. Your inserting human concepts into animal behavior you fucking idiot. The concept of human superiority come from science and nature. If we are not superior then we certainly have significant differences. My point about the poor African tribes exposes your selective targeting of certain cultures over another.
TheAntiV 3 weeks ago
free the animals!
kolimenii 1 month ago
This should be happening all over the globe, all cages should be empty by now. 2012 and the plight of animals is worsening, it isn't getting any better for them. So lets sort it out...
mooker5600 1 month ago
I'm very proud of the people in this video
Shadow510Warrior 2 months ago 6
Oh good, I did a video on this too. <3
SheWroteLove1 2 months ago
The University of Iowa psych department got owned.
123gwf 3 months ago
HURTING ANIMALS IS BARBARIC, NO MATTER WHAT ANY ONE SAYS .. PLUS WHO GAVE THEM THE RIGHT TO GO OUTSIDE GRAB A ANIMAL AND START FUCKEN AROUND?.. this is animal abuse. BEING DONE BEHIND A VEIL OF " bull shit " we WANT THE WORLD TO STOP EXPERIMENTING ON ANIMALS.
superbeauthy 4 months ago
I wish I was there to see because im from Iowa.
CrazyCake01 4 months ago
Thanks to animal testing these terrorists will live an average of 24 more years.
Stainlessfights4u 5 months ago
@Stainlessfights4u And you base this reasoning upon?
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@xGreydaysx because this should not be. They breathe , just like us .
superbeauthy 4 months ago
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@superbeauthy what? I responded to Stainlessfights4u's comment "Thanks to animal testing these terrorists will live an average of 24 more years." I am a vegetarian, and don't buy products that are tested on animals.
xGreydaysx 4 months ago
@Stainlessfights4u
animal testing does not work, you moron.
sugarmelonchewgumbon 2 months ago 3
@sugarmelonchewgumbon to bad you have had drugs tested on animal
awsomeboyalbania 1 month ago
@sugarmelonchewgumbon
Baseless claim of the year. Congrats for not having any first hand experience with animal testing.
almostskater3210 3 weeks ago
A.L.F TRUE HEROES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
doit4themnow 5 months ago
all of you ALF guys are FUCKING BEAUTIFUL
SufferingQuota 5 months ago 27
@TheOriginalThreeP YOUR SCUM!!!!!
doit4themnow 5 months ago
@doit4themnow
The ALF put a Molotov cocktail on an innocent old ladies porch because they fucked up and they also tried to car bomb someone; so fuck them, that's the definition of terrorist. They literally incite terror to get what they want.
almostskater3210 5 months ago
@almostskater3210 The ALF is not an ordinary organization. There is no leadership, or actual "members". It is more like an idea - Anyone that is breaking into a lab to save animals can claim it was done by the ALF, but only if he followed specific rules, like not hurting any animal, including humans. Those people you describe are not part of the ALF.
Pianoia 2 months ago
@Pianoia
Whatever, I don't condone breaking into labs either. and seriously, animal research is a good thing
almostskater3210 2 months ago
@Pianoia
And do you know why hate crimes are considered acts of terror? Because they incite copy cats, so whether or not the ALF directly commits terrorists acts, they at least indirectly influence them by influencing others
almostskater3210 2 months ago
@TheOriginalThreeP I might walk up to you one day, and tell you, "I know what you stand for, you regressive dumb neo-nazi!!! and also, i would inform/educate you that if you CONFRONT someone, REMOVE a hoodie from them, saying "LOOKS LIKE I JUST DID" and HOLD them into submission, then you are the person assaulting, not the assaulted, you are the terrorizing party, you big dumb piece of shit!! get your facts straight
doit4themnow 5 months ago
I absolutely love science and psychology, they're actually what brought me to the ideals of animal rights. It sucks to see years of research destroyed, and I probably wouldn't have smashed the hard drives, but until scientific ethics are extended to all sentient beings, I'm on the side of the ALF.
"Science, not sadism." :)
ScottBrown666 5 months ago
"but of our sledgehammers to laboratory doors."
then in response, expect a bullet from behind those doors
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@TheChoujinVirus YOU BIG TURD, you probably eat animals and you smell like your nasty ass turd!! people like you is what is wrong with this world!!! you regressive conformist!!! you have master mentality of superiority but a mind of a dumb-ass !!!! you speciest piece of shit!!!!!!!!!!!! You should evolve and educate yourself; but you will probably go back to your little box, you brainwashed little fuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
doit4themnow 5 months ago
I love the ALF! Please don't stop saving innocent creatures, big or small, from torture!!!
tool2342 6 months ago
these people are so retarted,,,,they destroyed all the lab results so now more animals will die to get those back,,,,,,,fucking stupid
johnkilljoysmith 7 months ago
@johnkilljoysmith i suggest doing some more research...these methods are actually pretty effective...a lot of times the places close down rather than get more animals
NiangoChan 7 months ago
@johnkilljoysmith Why don't you take their place and spend your life in a cage being experimented on then? Humans, and maybe even other animals, could benefit greatly.
ScottBrown666 5 months ago
good terrorists ;)
KHfanguy 7 months ago
I have a question...\why during the video the time always change: from minute 2 to minute 15 and than to minute 7 (this is an example)?
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Yes this is terrorism. ALF should be jailed. there destroying industry. they also believe that animals have the same thought as people. they dont otherwise they would be civilized.
outofthisworldherps 8 months ago
Yes this is terrorism. ALF should be jailed. there destroying industry. they also believe that animals have the same thought as people. they dont otherwise they would be civilized
outofthisworldherps 8 months ago
@outofthisworldherps Well this isn't terrorism actually because it doesn't hurt any human being, though it is obviously illegal. But the only question is "is this wrong or right"? If somebody in 1942 in a concentration camp helped some jews to escape, it was an illegal act, but would you blame him? Yes, humans are different from animals, and nobody thinks we're the same, BUT our phisical (not psychological) suffering is very similar. So they're saving them from torture. I think they're right.
HellPatrol92 8 months ago
@HellPatrol92 It is terrorism look it up the ALF is classified as domestic terrorism group. The Jewish people were and still are much more conscious than animals. An animals doesn’t get terrified of these things. I keep lots of reptiles so i know that animals are certainly conscious, but to a much different level than us. Plus the fact Jews liberated from those camps survived these animals cant survive in the wild and will die.
outofthisworldherps 8 months ago
@outofthisworldherps Theres not a real definition of terrorism,and they're classified so because in america money's god, and they try to kill this god. By the way reptiles are not mammals,mammals are more conscious than them. Reptiles dont move,take the energry from the sun and then go hunting, that's their life. Mammals are more consciious,and, as i said, i'm not saying animals are like humans,but they'rephysically tortured,and they do feel pain,their reactions are pain, not mere reactions
HellPatrol92 8 months ago
@outofthisworldherps Aprt from that anyone has their own opinion, but ALF doesnt hurt people, it is animal torture vs money, not animal torture vs mankind's future or anything else. Just think what you want, but be careful, probably there's somebody who's an extremist, but the biggest part of the ALF doesnt think animals = people, they just think animals' (mammals, not bugs)welfare > money
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doit4themnow 5 months ago
@outofthisworldherps
haters gonna hate
KHfanguy 7 months ago
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doit4themnow 5 months ago
@outofthisworldherps
The industry needs to be destroyed. You're obviously too fucking ignorant and stupid to realize this. Your spelling gives me a glimpse into your feeble mental capacity.
xVx
gnarsmoke 7 months ago
@gnarsmoke the fact that you swear so much is hurting you're cause. you're only making things up about other people and not talking about how stealing rabbits and thinking you're "saving them" makes sense. would you say everything you've said here to some ones face? also you are as well being ignorant because you're not realizing that very few rabbit breeders mistreat there animals. some people mistreat dogs and cats. should we steal everyones dogs and cats and pu them in the wild?
outofthisworldherps 7 months ago
and this is terrorism????WTF???this is the better action in the world
TZARMANDELL 9 months ago
i hope those ALF vandals get arrested
nadaquefazer 9 months ago
GO ALF GO ALF!!! HEROES!!!
LovePatton 9 months ago 19
omg computers fuuuuuuuck off
insect66 9 months ago
"Additionally, two animal labs and three vivisector's offices were entered and all contents relating to animal research were destroyed. "
You do realize how important that research could of been for animals and humans? You are just extremist with no knowledge or appreciation for science and what it does. I hope you get caught next time and get your just rewards and that the researcher backed their shit up.
deadmeh 9 months ago
You all realize the AFL are extremists right? They're willing to kill one time of animal to save another. That's flawed logic.
krkrkrkrkrkrkrkrkrkx 9 months ago
@krkrkrkrkrkrkrkrkrkx The truth, they don't see it that way thought.
deadmeh 9 months ago
Why would they distroy the computers? I mean... I agree with alf 150%... but... all the animals were tortured... for no reason :\
WhyImAwsome 10 months ago
It makes me proud to know that there are ALF members in Iowa! Wish I could have been there for this!
xeroemo 10 months ago
@xeroemo I wish the police would of been there too.
deadmeh 9 months ago
ALF FOR EVER!!!!!!!I WANT TO BE A MEMBER OF THE ALF TOO.
eleftheria5791 10 months ago
This is an interesting quote i read about the hyprocrisy:
Ask the experimenters why they experiment on animals, and the answer is: "Because the animals are like us." Ask the experimenters why it is 'morally' okay to experiment on animals, and the answer is: "Because the animals are not like us." Animal experimentation rests on a logical contradiction. ~Charles R. Magel
msminxy75 10 months ago
@msminxy75 heres another interesting quote on hypocrisy
"my medication might contain some animal products, but i need my life to fight for the animals"
-mary beth sweetland, vice president of peta.
fag.
cole3454657 10 months ago
@cole3454657 I'm a fag? For showing a quote on how these people can sleep at night. Any vitamins (non pharmas) i take are veggie caps, so what does that have to do with me? Nothing, Im pointing out hyprocrisy, as are you.
msminxy75 10 months ago
@msminxy75 i simply said that because you appear to be opposing the advancement of modern medicine and humans in general
cole3454657 10 months ago
This is TERRORISM! You are foolish, this will get animal rights nowhere!
hundredand 11 months ago
@hundredand Wtf? Do you know what terrorism means?
ItsAllChaos 11 months ago
@ItsAllChaos Yeah, terrorizing people with threats or violence to stop them from doing something you don't agree with. Do YOU know what terrorism means?
hundredand 10 months ago
@hundredand well they have never hurt anyone, and I surely doubt they would actually harm any of these people... anyway, I used to think that it is wrong what they do, fighting immorality while using immoral acts themselves like threatening people, but fuck it. Morality doesn't exist anyways, they're only fighting fire with fire. Besides, if violence and terror is the only thing these people understand, then those are the means that the ALF shall use to stop them. *
ItsAllChaos 10 months ago
@hundredand * "those who make peaceful revolution impossible, are making violent revolution inevitable". You know, people sound really smart and phylosophical when they say "oh that's morally wrong, bla bla bla", but when you are one of the victims, your point of view is a little bit different...
ItsAllChaos 10 months ago
@ItsAllChaos It's terrorism, plain and simple, whether good or bad. Anyways, you're right, this is all point of view. I personally think humans are more important than animals and would save a human over a dog ANY day. I also approve of testing on animals if it will save human lives, that's just me, and obviously I'm outnumbered here :P
hundredand 10 months ago
@hundredand ahahah, ok it's terrorism, I'll give you that. And I also value more the life of a human being. If you ask me if I want my brother dead, or my cat dead, the answer is obvious... But I think it is worth it to threat one guilty person's life in order to save hundreds of innocent dogs and mice :\ and animal tests are mostly useless nowadays. We have great technologies but unfortunately our ways of thinking remain primitive lol. Oh and you being outnumbered doesn't prove you're wrong :P
ItsAllChaos 10 months ago
You people are nutjobs. Destroying priceless research doesn't help ANYONE, animals or non-animals. Of course people don't want animals to be abused. Its wrong but you idiots lost 90% of the population when you started threatening humans. The live of a mice isn't worth the life of a thinking human being.
sikvenum82 11 months ago
Where do I sign up?! Being a big punk rock lover and raw vegan I LOVE animals and anarchy!
guitargczr699 11 months ago
@guitargczr699 Same here. :D
EurynomuSlut 11 months ago
@guitargczr699 I don't think you need to sign up xD I'm thinking about doing something at my local area, like spraying the butchers windows and maybe destroying a delivery truck :P
ItsAllChaos 11 months ago
god help everyone if I get into the AFL. I came here because of an animal abuse video and im almost fucking homicidal, my guns are begging me to be used....
8Libertine8 11 months ago
I LOVE THEM. WHEN I DIE I WILL LEAVE THEM ALL MY MONE;!!
KEEP SAVING ANIMALS,,, GOD BLESS YOU!!!!
SOYDEHERMOSILLO 1 year ago
I think that the words of Phillip DeFranco can sum this video up best. What the fuck white people?
rangernitrostratos 1 year ago
For those who think animal testing "saves lives", i have some needed information for you. It doesn't. In fact, animal testing has resulted in the DEATHS of thousands of people, because Animals and People react COMPLETELY DIFFERENT to things. We take information we get from testing animals, and when we apply it to people, oh hey! It doesn't work... And believe me, animals testing causes Pain, both physical and psychological, they aren't going to admit to that though.
dorkalicious1987 1 year ago
@reagansmash68 Those are probably electrodes.
thebestusername1616 1 year ago
support the ALF!!! save a life! Do your part!
cafalexis 1 year ago 2
omg, they are my hero ( keep it up !)
LittleSugerOrMe 1 year ago
way to go!!!
missy3045 1 year ago
what the hell were those things attatched to the rats heads?
reagansmash68 1 year ago
ALF/ALM will not be stopped
mikenicefoto 1 year ago
FUCK YEA!!!!!.....NO TALK..ALL ACTION!!..I SUPPORT YOUR EFFORTS GUYS!!
eviilgrin 1 year ago 6
lovvvvveee them
jessicaweizmann 1 year ago
Keep it up guys! I support the ALF all the way.
cripticwolf1 1 year ago 2
I am support you and keep dont stop saving the animals. GO Go.
RatPirate 1 year ago 2
why do u use animals to solve humans problems.if u have cancer most likely its ur fault, dont abuse animals to fix ur mistakes it will never work. test humans not animals there are more bad humans then there is animals and stevie2014 ur a dumbass u would have never made it through college your probably some DUMBASS 12 yr old thinking your hard on the computer and that gun you have that u SHOOT animals with im not gonna shoot you with it ima nock you upside the dome with it a couple times..ya
partyboysrh 1 year ago
go alf!!!!
love you guys!!!!
animal liberation now!!!!
jasperrosesage 1 year ago
thanks alf. you've officially removed my tuition money for my education to pay for the animals that were replaced as soon as they were removed from the facility. so mislead... while humans go hungry you find the time to 'liberate' animals. honestly, come try to liberate my dogs, your shit will get rocked by the same thing i hunt animals with.
stevieg2014 1 year ago
@stevieg2014 ur a dumbass and ur not tough its over the computer, ima knock u upside the head with (THE SAME THING YOU HUNT ANIMALS WITH) fadget
partyboysrh 1 year ago 2
These people fucking rock!!
beachbumchick79 1 year ago
@wheresthatcandy....oh there you go!
JADEAV 1 year ago
That's ridiculous! Look at all those macs they just killed!!! D: That's awful!
But seriously.
kGToe 1 year ago
haha these guys got busted and are awaiting trial, they cost the university 250k in equipment and slowed research by 4 months, in the end by doing this the university had to restock its 'subjects' so they essentially caused more animal lives to be wasted, good job alf
Inv4derxXx 1 year ago
There needs to be more people like A.L.F. I wish I was more sneaky and I'd join them.
PinkPunkyKat 1 year ago
Everyone in the world who starts direct action for positive of the animals is automatically part of the ALF.
Liberate, Sabotage!
We won't stop till animal explotaition stops!
Kazel69 1 year ago
you guys are a bunch of fucking idiots get a life and leave other peoples shit alone i hope they find all of you and put you in little cages and give you anal probes you guys are nothing but a bunch of fucking sissys who had no friends in elementary and now you are trying to make up for your lost cause stop smoking your pot and doing meth you got a problem with what im saying? cuz if you do kiss my ass
cornfed218 1 year ago
DON"T stop SAVING the animals if they continue to torture the animals!! I want to be a member of the A.F.L. !!!
JADEAV 1 year ago 25
@JADEAV Then you should probably work on getting the organization name correct.
wheresthatcandy 1 year ago
@JADEAV i'm sure its extremly hard to get in, they would be ever so careful who they would let in and you have have to be willing to go jail for the rest of your life for this cause
drumfreak14 1 year ago
@JADEAV As I understand it, the ALF is organized like the ELF is. It's not something you join. It's something you do. It's made up of autonomous cells. If you agree with their principals, you can carry out an action in their name. Since there isn't any kind of a formal organizational structure or hierarchy, it makes it harder to stop them. So if you want to be involved with ALF, get together with some people and do it. I don't have the guts do what they do. But I agree with their actions.
purplemutantas 1 year ago 2
@purplemutantas there is an anyonymos hand book once but they are hard to find :/
shygurldance 1 year ago
Amazing dude! I really love those guys! That's so bloody cool!
Shinebakaaho 1 year ago 27
@Shinebakaaho yeah its cool that they burn down universities' labs that use the animal research for "research." When a person destroy Knowledge we lose the everything we were trying to achieve. So we have to start from scratch and get "more" animals and put them through the same expiriments all over again. So ALF is causeing more harm to both mankind and the animals
brandonent50 1 year ago
Bless the ALF. True Heroes.
SamiGoblin 1 year ago
great job
tereziaildiko 1 year ago
@NinjaGhostScorpion So that is what makes a life valuable? newspaper?
TheMdc78 1 year ago
I study psychology but I would really love to do what ALF is doing
ooh yea and break all the computers after the animals are safe, that would be very very cool BRAKE BRAKE!!!
DritonGusia 1 year ago
Its my dream to join any ALF action, it would be a greatest honor
thats a holy war, not fucking jihad and crusades haha bullshit, FIGHT FOR NATURE!
DritonGusia 1 year ago 3
@DritonGusia Terrorist!
exenter2 1 year ago
@exenter2 YES
whats wrong with that as long as there is terror upon criminals?
as long as the terrorist act is saving the innocent?
I don't give a fuck about current laws of this system when I behold the glory of nature!
I will fight till I die with nature!
DritonGusia 1 year ago
@NinjaGhostScorpion Its alright i already destroyed him for you
Inv4derxXx 1 year ago
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" if we weren't the fittest we would have been extinct hundreds of thousands of years ago"
By this logic humans should be the only specie left because all others would have been extinct hundreds of thousands of years ago beacause they were not the fittest
TheMdc78 1 year ago
oh man, every bit of your last comment is oozing with retard like stupidity, there is no survival of the fittest when hunters take the biggest and strongest that is the fucking OPPOSITE of survival of the fittest moron. And the fact that you would "choose" for any specie to go extinct shows what a short sighted idiot you really are, when humans cause a complete collapse and we don't survive either you will see how they were the least fit of all, do the animals a favor and off YOUR self
TheMdc78 1 year ago
@TheMdc78 i dont see human race causing "complete collapse" for at least another millenium... you don't see all the wild life around you because you are too couped up on a computer, go outside and wrestle a bear, i did it once and won... and you love to take words out of my mouth and reword it... i said i would choose for any species to go extinct if it involved my species to go extinct... you are the one that is short minded if you have to resort to taking half a sentence and rewording it
Inv4derxXx 1 year ago
@Inv4derxXx And how does our species make itself important? Saying humans are special or more important because we're human only is plain stupidity. Any logical, moral person would save a loving pet or an abusive parent or mean relative anytime. Humans are a shit-stain on the planet and you denialists just can't see it as you're oozing self-importance juice to make yourself feel special. Pathetic...
vgman94 1 year ago
@TheMdc78 that is survival of the fittest... the species that is most adapted to its environment and can repopulate everywhere easily, while also defending itself and maintaining homeostasis is survival of the fittest... if we weren't the fittest we would have been extinct hundreds of thousands of years ago, even our primate cousins would have been extinct if we haven't intervened on the illegal poaching, and the repopulation in their reserves
Inv4derxXx 1 year ago
@Inv4derxXx That is completely retarded... If we hadn't evolved in the first place or actually were smart enough to NOT be anthropocentric, we wouldn't have hunted our primate cousins in the first place. Even now, we're populating WAY too much and taking acres and acres per year of land away from every other species that needs it. We're nothing but a disusting shit from Stan's ass. And the immensely anthropocentric people are the worst of us. The ALF the best.
vgman94 1 year ago
@vgman94 you don't realize that our population isn't a problem... this planet can support up to 100 billion people... some scientist would say 1 trillion... when our population does become overwhelming nature will bring it down... thats what you vegan-tards don't realize, look @ katrina, earthquakes, and floods... and i don't know where you are from that you are taking acres and acres of land but in my place there is so much wildlife that you risk dying if you are driving late at night
Inv4derxXx 1 year ago
@Inv4derx Why are people like you such small-minded denialists? It takes at least 1 acre to feed people. Only 13-14% if the land is livable for Humans. And let's not forget the immorality of destroying THOUSANDS of other species just so WE could have space, when they need it much more. What is it with you anti-animal wackos thinking the world belongs to you? And as for the wildlife in your aea, if there were less people, you'd live in a less populated area. You do Earth a favor & drown yourself.
vgman94 1 year ago
@vgman94 why should i kill myself... the human race is good in my book... now do the math here if 13% percent of land is livable by humans.... 70% of earth is water 30% is land, that means 4 percent of earth is livable by humans... u be open minded and do your math, i have to call bullshit on that... here some questions for you... on a random guess, how many species are there on this planet, how many people do you think this planet can support, how much longer do you think we have???
Inv4derxXx 1 year ago
@Inv4derxXx Human race is good? I guess you've never seen Earthlings or Meet Your Meat, have you? Even you did, you'd deny the whole thing. If there is only 4%, then that means our wasteful and anthropocentric bullshit has to stop with ene more urgency. How many? I'd guess about 1-3 billion, but are decreasing by the day thanks to humans. How many humans? If we destroyed ALL we could for ourselves, I'd say 20 billion, NOT that it's right. How much longer? About 20-50 years I'd say.
vgman94 1 year ago
@vgman94 if you took my last comment as saying there is only 4 percent of earth left, you read incorrectly, that is how much we live on, 4 %... how is the human race bad after all you are one ? have you ever heard of survival of the fittest, learn it and live it
Inv4derxXx 1 year ago
@Inv4derxXx I see. So there's 10% more land to live on... And yet we've already driven dozens of species into extinction. Read below at other comments. I'm not speciesist. Just becasue I'm human, I have to like humans after all the shit humans do to me and each other (and animals). Survival of the fittest? Then why do some rhinos and a species of bird form a symbiotic relationship? This might makes right BS was also used in Nazi times to torture Jews. Live it? I'd rater save animals then humans.
vgman94 1 year ago
@vgman94 they form a symbiotic relationship because without them they would die... just like how sharks let certain fish clean them... but without those fish the shark would die, and without the shark the fish would die... obviously our species is more fit than that... read the last lines in your comment, learn grammar before you try and compare holocausts...and humans are animals too hurr de durr
Inv4derxXx 1 year ago
@Inv4derxXx One error, it's not that bad. At least I have capitalization. We're more fit, so what? That doesn't give us the right to fuck up everything. And yes, humans are animals too, which is why we're the evolutionary equivilent to the Devil. I'd really like to know how you'd feel if scientists cut your spinal cord and made you vomit until you die. How would you feel? Terrible because you'd be DYING. We have no right to do that to any species, human or otherwise.
vgman94 1 year ago
@vgman94 if scientists cut my spinal cord i wouldn't feel anything, you would literally go limp, the cheetah, most elephants (especially asian), polar bears... and your Californian black bear is the north american black bear, and it isn't extinct... and you had 3 errors in one sentence and in your last post you had another one too... its ok i can't read your posts because you capitalize so that makes it better, Grammar > spelling and capitalization
Inv4derxXx 1 year ago
@Inv4derxXx also we control which species can go extinct... why do you think africa has wild reserves, and we have zoos, if a species beneficial to the earth is going extinct we will intervene and do our best to save it... but if there is another species that does the same thing, has nearly the same genetic makeup, and reproduces at a faster rate, why should we even bother
Inv4derxXx 1 year ago
@Inv4derxXx If we are the cause of a species extinction, we have the moral responsibility to try to bring it back (animal cloning) and bring those back from being endangered. The key rule is that we are NOT the center of the world, weather or not we have the power to control anything, the pojnt is to restrict ourselves for their sake.
vgman94 1 year ago
@Inv4derxXx I'm fucking half asleep and burned out by fighting with another guy non-stop. Give me a break. Not the whole spinal cod, I should've said a spinal NERVE. Grammer IS spelling and capitalization. Zoos are pretty cruel. The Tasmanian Tiger died of neglect in zoos. If a species is benefical to the Earth? Alright, join VHEMT and die out so the Earth can be free from pollution and overpopulating humans who kill Asiatic lions because they eat their livestock. Why bother? Morality.
vgman94 1 year ago
@vgman94 lol you spelled grammar wrong... your for animal liberation, when you bring up cloning, do you understand how many sheep died just to produce the cloned sheep, you support stuff created by animal cruelty yet you are against it... hypocritical i must say
Inv4derxXx 1 year ago
@Inv4derxXx Grammer, grammar. It's relatively irrelevant. I'll admit, I should check my posts for spelling errors in the future. WHAT?! Are you saying sheep were killed for this, or are you just saying their embryos? If it was only their embryos, then I don't care. Abortion, using embryonic testing (the type I think I know, anyway) is not wrong. It's not killing a conscious life. If it is actually cruel to the animals, then I don't like it, however.
vgman94 1 year ago
@vgman94 killing the unborn is just as good as killing the newborn
Inv4derxXx 1 year ago
@Inv4derxXx You know, I've always been pro-choice about abortion, but if your ideology extends to animals, I'm almost tempted to reconsider. I mean, yes, it's a sad thing to do, but I don't consider it killing in the general sense. I am not a hypocrite as I do extend this towards myself, because I'm pretty sure I didn't and couldn't care if I was aborted early enough in the pregnancy.
vgman94 1 year ago
@vgman94 also there are a total of about 2 million species on this planet, we lose about 20k each year but we find find 16k every year it would take 200 years to lose every known species on this planet to go extinct at that rate, but most of the species that go extinct are various plants and insects, name me one animal you think is in danger of extinction and i will inform you on some facts
Inv4derxXx 1 year ago
@Inv4derxXx The Asiatic Lion, many types of Elephant, African Cheetah, Polar Bear, many whales, Siberian Tiger, Asian Tiger (or Chinese, whatever). Yes, but those species existed before. They didn't just NOT exist before WE found them. So it's hard to be accurate of how many species there are. Also, what about the California Black Bear> It went extinct probably due to human hunting and urban sprawl as large factors.
vgman94 1 year ago
@vgman94 why don't you do earth a favor and jump off a bridge, i bet you thought interior semiotics was art too
Inv4derxXx 1 year ago
You are wrong our species is not more important, that statement is what makes you an idiot, no other species puts up fences to keep their food supply separate from the rest, no other species hunts down and eliminates its competition and no their species performs twisted medical experiments on other species. Mankind has brought an entire world to its knees and won't stop til it and every member of every species is extinct, according to you this is what makes us more important, sickening
TheMdc78 1 year ago 3