Why are Americans incapable of pronouncing the name Craig? Its not "Creg", its pronounced "Cray-g". Do they think there was a disease known as the bubonic pleg? No! It was the bubonic plague, and plague is the same sound as Craig. Edumacate yourselves!
This is really sad, just like the news that a man in Indonesia has been put into jail because he wrote online that god does not exist. Since when is it illegal to be an atheïst? And since when do judges discriminate! Religion should have no meaning in court.
@MrAKbass Bigotry against atheists have been around for thousands of years. Whether it was the Romans killing non-believers, or the spanish inquisition, or back in the mid 20th century with the communist scare where if you were an atheist you were called a "commie" and people tried to kill you. Christians in the US still send people death threats if they find out an atheist is living in their community.
are you fukin serious?lemme tell u my dad was a total asshole really abusive would get drunk act horrible beat the shit outta my mom a few times made us all miserable then the cops came we todl them they saw my mom all beat up n shit then my dad finaly talk to them he all like i go to church i follow god and the stupid pigs felt sorry 4 em and let em see us again i bet if he was agnostic he woulda lost us!fuk that!
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"I don't know if I believe or disbelieve in a god - we will never know if he exists because we can never say with ABSOLUTE certainty if it is true"
It's sort of like saying...
"I don't know if I believe or disbelieve in invisible faeries - we will never know if they exist because we can never say with ABSOLUTE certainty if it is true."
@MuramasaDemon Eh, it's "sort of like saying," but it's not the same.
A god might be any spiritual or preternatural force or entity, so I feel like there's probably a much greater (albeit small) chance of a deity existing than so specific a creature as an invisible faery (sp?).
Having said that, we can NEVER know with absolute certainty whether invisible faeries exist. Of course, we're pretty sure they don't, just like I'm pretty sure there are no deities.
@LaodiceanMan Absolute certain is a completely useless perspective because no one can has absolute certainty about anything. What people (rational ones anyway) rely on is evidence and basic logical skills: there is no evidence for the existence of supernatural beings (gods, faeries, etc) and all of the descriptions for both are internally contradictory and irrational. It's all a matter of a culture pushing these delusions on children and making them the norm in society.
@LaodiceanMan Also, if someone is agnostic towards gods (by the use of the term "absolute knowledge"), then the person MUST be agnostic to everything else in life because no one can ever KNOW FOR CERTAIN anything. Are you agnostic to the theory of gravity or the Earth being round? I'm not because there is real evidence for those, but no evidence for the invisible sky god people believe in. Most agnostics seem to be uncle tom atheists who are trying to be overly-accommodating.
@MuramasaDemon I never said I was an agnostic, in fact, an "Uncle Tom atheist" or pantheist is probably closer to the truth. What I meant by calling agnosticism "stable" was not that as a position it's the most unassailable, I meant an adherent of agnosticism is less likely to be violent or black-and-white in their thinking. You do yourself a disservice by launching into argument because of one idle word, against someone whose position you don't know. We're on the same side.
@DeportedAllan I had a friend who's ex-wife was a religious zealot. Once they were divorced he was hardly allowed to see his child. The child was home schooled and was not taught properly, so he could hardly read. I met the child once and he had no social skills, I thought he mite have severe Autism, but I was told he had never been treated. It was actually freighting, that this child's life was ruined because of his mothers backward thinking.
@oNallieGirl Kill Homosexuals: Leviticus 20:13 Death to Followers of Other Religions: Exodus 22:19 Kill False Prophets: Zechariah 13:3 Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God: Deuteronomy 13:13-19 Kill Followers of Other Religions: Deuteronomy 13:7-12 Kill People for Working on the Sabbath: Exodus 31:12-15 Death for Cursing Parents: Leviticus 20:9 Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night: Deuteronomy 22:20-21 The list goes on n on. Your cultgod is a psychopath.
@oNallieGirl If you're referring to an Abrahamic "heaven", then no, I don't get in (whew!). I don't believe that schizophrenic non-sense, so I automatically go to Abrahamic "hell" - no matter how good I am in life.
But that's just man-made cult non-sense.
However,I recognize the value in truth, and the benefits of being good (because I enjoy living in an environment of people being good to each other) - so that's how I live. As do most non-believers in non-sense.
His ex-wife needs to be knocked the hell out! There is nothing wrong with him being Agnostic. And she shouldn't be able to choose how the kids believe. They should have the right. I was raised Baptist, but am now Agnostic and I am perfectly happy.
Is Colbert Right? Are agnostics, atheist's without balls? Take that bitch to the supreme court! I bet the skeptic community could back you up, people get fucked over for their non-belief a lot in the US, so the secularists should have every right to get this repealed
For me it's horrible that the guy even needs to say he raised the kid as a Christian- he has the right to teach that kid to be an atheist, the idea that him not raising the kid Christian will harm him is insane. I was raised without religion by Christian parents and I am an open minded, free thinking, atheist, individual- I am so thankful for not being brainwashed because it's those years which make the most impact- I could never believe start believing in God at this age.
Apparently, it is not necessary for judges in this country to obey the first amendment. I'm more qualified to be the judge than the judge. I was, after all, born in Indiana.
@123gingerguy A Satanist would be no different. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. Being a Satanist does not make one evil.
The state should have no right in parents raising kids. Yes it is possible this man can become a believer. Not by might nor by power but by my spirit says the Lord.
Ahahahahaha fuckin Americans! So hypocritical. You lash out against muslim nations and yet fail to realize the bull shit religious groups in your own country are very radical them selves.
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha your a fuckin moron! Have you been to Canada? We have more subways now than churches lol we also gave our homosexual communities the right to get married. Our Church opposed it saying it was unconstitutional but were a SECULAR nation and the law was passed and they were given that right. Your Christian population is radical, fascist and dangerous. You can't even begin to compare our conservatives to yours. Ours look like the rainbow compared to yours
@Reido2828 As a matter of fact,I have been to Canada plus I have family there,otherwise I wouldn't just be saying what I said.Yes some of our christians are radical,but so are yours and that's my point here.And the fact that you have to argue by calling me a moron just shows how pathetic you are at arguing.
Canadian Christians are indeed radical atleast some of them but Americas is much worse. You don't see many pat robertsons up here in the north. And if you did not many people would be paying attention to them. Also, Pastor John hagee is completely nuts and many of his followers. America is way more religiously conservative than Canada is.
@Reido2828 I wouldn't say worse,but we do have alot more christian conservatives than you,I'll give you that.However there are also alot more americans than canadians so yeah were gonna have more religious nuts.
Stop trying to justify your comments. Point me in the direction of a bad conservative Christian in Canada. I'd love to see the article. But sadly the ones in America are radical who truly take the bible very seriously and is quite dangerous to society. If a republican gets elected like palin then here comes ww3
@Reido2828 Only a FEW American christians are radical and take the bible seriously,most don't follow everything it says,or we'd be in a world of shit.Quit running your mouth cause you don't know what you're even talking about.Have you even met the majority of American christians? I have not and im sure you haven't either,my point is that radical christians exist EVERYWHERE,they will be radical to anyone who is not of their faith.And you're just picking on one country and it's ignorant.
I'd say its more than a few. A lot more. Which is why things like abortion and same sex marriages have not made it into public lime light yet and are just floating around as unconstitutional. Its not Ignorant when a majority of the American public want some form of the bible in the constitutions or when some consider themselves Christians before Americans which is at 32%. I can send you stats and websites if you want?
@Reido2828 Yes because all Americans are as ignorant as the ones you see on fox news. None of us are capable of seeing religious stupidity and all of us lash out against Muslims.
@Reido2828 Ahahahahahaha We "Americans" do realize the bull shit religious ideologies in our country. The upside is our idiots make public policy in favor of religion. They don't blow themselves up in the middle of town, as they do, in the Islamic third world countries. You can't make an argument for "Americans" being hypocritical. Two different religious worlds, both ideologies need to go.
he got his time cut from 84 hours a week, 21 one times more than it currently is. 50/50 is great, cutting off his time of custody down from 50/50 to four hours a week is crazy, insane, and uncalled for.
just going to say i consider myself as a christian but i do not go to church because i do not believe in putting your faith in another persons hands. if people want to do this fine thats their right. i believe in freedom of religion. i do not believe that people who are non christians are going to hell, i think God has bigger fish to fry if you catch my drift. i DO believe in dinosaurs and aliens, we are not the only ones in the universe and to think other wise is narcissistic.
I have my own logical morality. I for instance, do don't agree with slavery (as the bible does) HOW DO YOU PROVE THAT RIGHT HUH PUNK? The bible is riddled with contradictions. For instance, Genesis 1 and 2 disagree about the order in which things are created. The Gospels of Matthew and Luke contradict each other on the genealogy of Jesus Christ's father; though both agree that Joseph was not his real father.
Easily. From a practical standpoint slavery is a good economic process and southerners had all kinds of arguments.
'The bible is riddled with contradictions.'
As is science.
But also, so is history in general. Read Marco Polo. Go watch the movie Fair Game which paints a different picture of what actually happened in the Valerie Plame case.
@bloodrunsclear "Also, if you're so certain in your beliefs, why joke about it?" HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO DEFINE AGNOSTIC FOR YOU? IT IS SIMPLE GNOSTIC comes from GNOSIS=KNOWLEDGE from an idiotic religious cult who thought they KNEW everything. A=opposite of like A -THEIST. Therefore an AGNOSTIC knows he doesn't know anything about god! GOT IT? How do you argue with a philosophy that say I don't know? Are you telling mean that I actually KNOW?
@bloodrunsclear Being an Agnostic I claim neither existence or non-existence of god. I argue with atheists as well so don't feel too abused lol.
Unfortunately for religious people it is much easier to argue with them because they are in abundance and usually put forth absurd statements that need to be contradicted.
@bloodrunsclear I do not feign anything. I simply like to argue with logical procedures. In reference to arguments with atheists there is only ONE argument I can use... (and it is extremely logical)
YOU CAN NOT PROVE A NEGATIVE!!!
Ergo, you simply CAN NOT prove there is NOT a god. However, I have not seen proof there is.
ALSO, there is not yet even ONE atheist that agrees with me. (same number of religious people too lol)
In reference to civility, I did not mean to argue ad hominem.
@bloodrunsclear The secondary definition of evidence is "something that furnishes proof". I have not seen this from you. Also, this is the definition of an ad hominem argument "marked by or being an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made". Which is obviously vitriolic ergo your last comment is rather redundant.
Proof is actually defined as 'evidence that convinces'.
So I can't provide proof. Even if I showed you gods finger print you'd deny it. It doesn't fit into your understanding or beliefs. If I showed you anti-gravity you wouldn't stop believing in gravity either.
So no I can't prove a positive to someone dead set on disbelieving everything they don't believe anyway.
@bloodrunsclear You are absolutely wrong in both cases. If you showed me the irrefutable fingerprint of god, I would most certainly believe in god. However, if you showed me anti-gravity, it would simply show that there HAD to be gravity for there to be anti-gravity (logic prevails!).
@bloodrunsclear OMG lol Obviously your logic button has broken. When I tell you I would believe in god with irrefutable proof it means exactly that "I WOULD BELIEVE". For anti-gravity to exist there HAS to be gravity! For you to be ANTI-abortion there has to be abortion... GET IT??? For there to be anti-anything to HAS to be ANYTHING!!!
@bloodrunsclear Obviously explaining something to you as simplistic as the concept of ANTI seems to be impossible. You don't seem to understand this one simple point. For there to be an ANTI-something there MUST be a SOMETHING. How do you not grasp such a simple concept? BTW OMG is not LEET SPEAK!!
Internet speak. Whatever. Its irritating and pointless.
Yes, it is difficult for me to understand the idea of not challenging preconceived notions of a thing if there exist instances that seem to go against our understanding of that thing.
@bloodrunsclear Irritating to you perhaps. Pointless? hardly. I'm afraid I am done. You seem to have no concept of rational logical thought so arguing with you is truly pointless.
Have a good time. Sorry I have to go but I'm due back on earth.
"If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her." - Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT
Tough laws to prevent rape. I don't honestly see why this is the one giving you trouble. First of all the code of Humarabi before this would probably have the man or woman killed. Second of all I think its a deterrent to make a fine for rape, and also fittingly ironic the man must then support the woman with his own means for his crime.
@bloodrunsclear Okay so what you're saying is... if a man rapes a women... he must pay her father some compensation but then the women must marry her rapist?
Is that what you're saying? I just want to be clear.
Well you have half of it right. We DON'T live at the same time period - so then... why would you cherry pick the things that you DO want to believe in an obviously flawed and outdated book written by earlier men?
I don't care what "Jesus" did or didn't do. This scripture is part of your "holy" book and if you want to "go there" - Jesus expressed clearly that you must also follow the Old Testament.
@bloodrunsclear Science provides evidence. Science has no say as to whether that evidence is good or bad or is biased in ANY direction.
And so far... science has provided us with enough evidence to know with NEAR certainty that there is no god.
And DEFINITELY NOT the Christian god.
You are DELUDED. DEE-LOO-ZHUN-ALL.
You have NO evidence to back up your bullshit fairytales so you MUST resort to bashing science because it's the only legitimate source of quality information.
Well Well can you say INQUISITION??? This is what happens when religion takes over ANYTHING! How can you possibly argue philosophy with an Agnostic? All they are saying with this viewpoint is I DON'T KNOW!!!
@bloodrunsclear Not teaching about religion is vastly superior to teaching fairy-tales. Again I remind you that an Agnostic is NOT an Atheist. In fact an Atheist might be just as foolish as a christian in that there is a staunch belief in an unprovable fact.
@bloodrunsclear I have my own logical morality. I for instance, do don't agree with slavery (as the bible does) HOW DO YOU PROVE THAT RIGHT HUH PUNK? The bible is riddled with contradictions. For instance, Genesis 1 and 2 disagree about the order in which things are created. The Gospels of Matthew and Luke contradict each other on the genealogy of Jesus Christ's father; though both agree that Joseph was not his real father.
Science claims that things cannot occur without a cause...yet atheist scientists argue the root cause of everything is nothingness which also has weight apparently. Quantum Mechanics contradicts the laws of physics as do Red Dwarfs (which slow stars somehow) and the problem of Dark Matter. Alternate Universes are accepted by scientists without proof and evolution itself accepts non evidence (missing links) as evidence.
So if contradictions irk you, why do you follow science?
@bloodrunsclear Hi I'm that "previous person". First of all... we don't follow morality... we adhere to it. We follow laws. (That adhere to a general morality.)
Second I CAN and HAVE explained why morality exists and why there is NO reason to believe that it comes from a "higher power".
You are implying that without adhering to the Christian bibles set of moralities... one cannot truly be moral.
Which is OBVIOUS bs because the Christian bible is one of the MOST immoral books ever written.
@bloodrunsclear GTFO of here! Science has no say in social or political affairs. It ONLY provides evidence. Eugenics was NOT a "scientific concept" - it was an evil, racist concept in which certain individuals attempted to use science to validate it.
A nuclear bomb isn't designed, built or even thought of by science itself.
Science is a tool that can be used and abused by ANY puny human being with enough resources and power.
Your bible IS evil and OLDDD as balls. It's NOT relevant.
@bloodrunsclear SCIENCE ITSELF HAS NO SAY IN ANY OF THAT! It is people who use science to reach conclusions!
I don't know if you're PURPOSELY wasting my time but I just can't/won't debate someone as WILLFULLY ignorant as you.
You've been lied to... and brain washed. (Thoroughly I might add.)
To anyone else who reads this... the first thing you should ask ANY Creationist while in a debate is whether or not they'd be willing to give up their beliefs in light of new evidence.
Wow. I'm A Devout Christian, but I'm understanding and I'm not crazy. People need to get themselves together. Everyone doesn't believe the same thing, okay, but that's not disabling people. People need to stop acting so blind. People like this give bad names to all people believing in a religion. This is bull.
So if you are not crazy please explain your stance on dinosours... Is it true that you do not believe they existed? Or is that just every other crazy christian I have ever met... I grew up in church, but by the time I was 13 I knew it was all complete bullshit! So let your children choose what they want to believe in, don't brainwash your kids into believing your fairy tales...
@Manuelc33 Okay I'm not sure why you come lashing out on me or WHY you think I should explain my beliefs to you or WHY you think you have anything to do with how I'm gonna raise my children. That ain't got nothing to do with how crazy this judge is being toward this man. You need to shut all that down and if you really wanna have a discussion about religion I'm sure you are smart enough to talk to someone in real life. Therefore I am done commenting with you.
@AintGoin As a Christian, you just granted everyone their right to literally go to hell. And you know what? That makes you completely flawless!
I resent your religion less now, and am more likely to join it! That "JOIN US OR BURN!" scare-tactic is probably the main reason I resent religion. While your "I'm not gonna scare or influence your decision, but I'm here for ya if ya ever wanna talk sum' Christ ;)"-tactic is rather intriguing! :)
@leirgauk You clearly know nothing about the Christianity, because if you did you'd realize that *real Christians do not use any "scare-tactic" and that Christians in absolutely no way claim to be perfect, in fact if you knew even the slightest bit about Christianity you'd realize that a huge point in the religion is that no one is perfect. There is WAY too much ignorance in your comment to be addressed in my comment, but if by some miracle you'd like to have a mature discussion I am here.
@AintGoin Lol! Wow! That sure was one condescending reply.
As it is sorta trendy to bash on Christianity, I suppose you assumed that this was my intention.
Not at all.
"There is WAY too much ignorance in your comment"
Actually, the ONLY statement I made was that Christians use scare-tactics to have people join them. You seem to disagree on this, so all I can ask you is: "Have you even been to the surface?" (suggesting you were raised in some underground vault, in case you didn't get that).
@AintGoin (Part 2) First of all, I'm not sure your presumption of the word "scare-tactics" is correct. It's not a bad thing.
If I told you not to eat the purple berries, because they are deadly, that's a scare-tactic. If all I said was "don't eat the purple berries", I would be partially responsible for your death, if you ever ate one. This is why Christians MUST warn the uninformed about Hell, to avoid being partially responsible.
@AintGoin (Part 3) BUT! If you were to inform some African bush-men (who were completely oblivious to Christianity), it would be another story. They already go to heaven, because they wouldn't know right from wrong anyway. So, by informing them, you give them this dreadful ultimatum (which according to you, is the very meaning of life) that no man wants to live with. One one hand, you help do God's bidding, but on the other hand, you make the judgement that this person might belong in hell.
epic face at 4:20...oh wait, he's trying to eat his kids and it's at 4:20, the atheist follows hitler and want to eat his kids, don't let him see his children!!!!!!!!!!!jk
again with "agnostics" :((( this is how false meanings get perpetuated :((( we are all agnostic, that does not mean that he does not or does believe, has nothing to do with it :(((
Agnostic camp sounds like fun! They must sit around the campfire and sing songs about how you can't really know anything about anything because you can't disprove a negative.
I'm so sick of the way nonreligious people are treated in this country, which supposedly guarantees the separation of church and state. There are over 1 billion of us in the whole fucking world, including 15% of Americans! If you ever see an atheist/agnostic running for political office, whether they're a Democrat or a Republican, vote for them. We need some rationalists making public policy.
I can't stand the way some people just take religion as a matter of course; oh, wait, you're an agnostic? Well, everybody knows agnostics can't care for children, it's obvious, so you can't have them, of course. What the hell is wrong with people?
@SIRRIX000 The problem isn't insane people. The problem is people who use religion as a way to sneak into a society/group and then take it over for their own ends. Hitler did this...
That one. And np. Just don't get why this view is so untenable.
fact is the US already has control of Iran... they control the water from Afghanistan into Iran... one can then understand that this is just another media smokescreen for some important event.
@smeejit Do you even know what separation of church & State is? You might want to reread the writings of the founding fathers. Separation of church & State is ONLY about the State not having an official State religion that everyone must join, and not telling you what you must think about religion. That's it, nothing else. Just those 2 things, period full stop. Anything else added is crap & not part of the Constitution. It only limits the State not the people.
@SIRRIX000 The problem isn't insane people. The problem is people who use religion as a way to sneak into a society/group and then take it over for their own ends. Hitler did this. He told the workers group that he was Christian because they all were, and wouldn't let him lead if he told the truth and he knew that. Once he had power then his true colors came out. This has happened over & over in history. Most of the bad people in religion are just using it to get power, & they aren't believers.
Why does no one mention that the father had a protective order against him by the mother, when he went to the custody hearing? I have never seen a parent who has a protective order against them ever get custody of the children. The father never talks about an appeal because he knows it isn't about religion, even though it is his right. He just wants to picket the court instead. He lied to the reporters and they never checked the police records or judge's ruling. That is crap reporting.
@JayJayAbels I found it in the court's hearing information, public records and local news reports about the case. Call the local police department there or look up the case file for the protective order hearing. It is publicly available information. All of this is available online with a little googling. I found in 15 minutes of searches. I can't post URLs here or I would. She got it because he was showing up at all hours, harassing her via texting, and because he couldn't control his anger.
@twjung I tried to find it myself but could only find pages and pages of the story itself. That's why I asked. Please feel free to send the url to me via a message. I'd really appreciate it if you could!
@TheDynastQueen Your funny. I guess you forgot that a lot of churches including the Catholic church requires that you take classes to understand exactly what the religion is. I guess you missed the part where the pastor reads from the Bible and people follow along. So the fact that Christians and Catholics, which are the same, know the least? Citation needed. Constantly edited? Citation needed. Outdated? Citation needed. That's your opinion and not fact. Your posting your opinion and zero facts.
Why are Americans incapable of pronouncing the name Craig? Its not "Creg", its pronounced "Cray-g". Do they think there was a disease known as the bubonic pleg? No! It was the bubonic plague, and plague is the same sound as Craig. Edumacate yourselves!
cmomofilm 3 weeks ago
The fat Greek guy sucks.
cmomofilm 3 weeks ago
Even in Italy where there is the pope this sort of thing does not happen nowadays! Shame to you, Indiana!
kiaroski 1 month ago
This is really sad, just like the news that a man in Indonesia has been put into jail because he wrote online that god does not exist. Since when is it illegal to be an atheïst? And since when do judges discriminate! Religion should have no meaning in court.
MrAKbass 1 month ago
@MrAKbass Bigotry against atheists have been around for thousands of years. Whether it was the Romans killing non-believers, or the spanish inquisition, or back in the mid 20th century with the communist scare where if you were an atheist you were called a "commie" and people tried to kill you. Christians in the US still send people death threats if they find out an atheist is living in their community.
MuramasaDemon 2 weeks ago
Poor man... He seems very nice and if he doesn't agree with his wife about religion, who says she gets custody! Pathetic
prototypev0 1 month ago
I wonder what else that order says.
drunkrtard 1 month ago
people are waking up from the BS the church spits out
draginjim 1 month ago
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MakeNewLaws 2 months ago
THAT JUDGE SHOULD BE TAKEN BEFORE THE BOARD AND DISBARRED!
loveseanryan 2 months ago 4
are you fukin serious?lemme tell u my dad was a total asshole really abusive would get drunk act horrible beat the shit outta my mom a few times made us all miserable then the cops came we todl them they saw my mom all beat up n shit then my dad finaly talk to them he all like i go to church i follow god and the stupid pigs felt sorry 4 em and let em see us again i bet if he was agnostic he woulda lost us!fuk that!
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bortelliM 3 months ago
unbelievable. The nerve of that judge.
examinationboard 4 months ago
That's ridiculous! Agnosticism is probably the most benevolent, open-minded, and stable position on the spectrum.
LaodiceanMan 4 months ago 16
@LaodiceanMan Agreed
pricture 1 month ago
@LaodiceanMan I wouldn't say stable...
"I don't know if I believe or disbelieve in a god - we will never know if he exists because we can never say with ABSOLUTE certainty if it is true"
It's sort of like saying...
"I don't know if I believe or disbelieve in invisible faeries - we will never know if they exist because we can never say with ABSOLUTE certainty if it is true."
MuramasaDemon 2 weeks ago
@MuramasaDemon Eh, it's "sort of like saying," but it's not the same.
A god might be any spiritual or preternatural force or entity, so I feel like there's probably a much greater (albeit small) chance of a deity existing than so specific a creature as an invisible faery (sp?).
Having said that, we can NEVER know with absolute certainty whether invisible faeries exist. Of course, we're pretty sure they don't, just like I'm pretty sure there are no deities.
LaodiceanMan 2 weeks ago
@LaodiceanMan Absolute certain is a completely useless perspective because no one can has absolute certainty about anything. What people (rational ones anyway) rely on is evidence and basic logical skills: there is no evidence for the existence of supernatural beings (gods, faeries, etc) and all of the descriptions for both are internally contradictory and irrational. It's all a matter of a culture pushing these delusions on children and making them the norm in society.
MuramasaDemon 2 weeks ago
@LaodiceanMan Also, if someone is agnostic towards gods (by the use of the term "absolute knowledge"), then the person MUST be agnostic to everything else in life because no one can ever KNOW FOR CERTAIN anything. Are you agnostic to the theory of gravity or the Earth being round? I'm not because there is real evidence for those, but no evidence for the invisible sky god people believe in. Most agnostics seem to be uncle tom atheists who are trying to be overly-accommodating.
MuramasaDemon 2 weeks ago
@MuramasaDemon I never said I was an agnostic, in fact, an "Uncle Tom atheist" or pantheist is probably closer to the truth. What I meant by calling agnosticism "stable" was not that as a position it's the most unassailable, I meant an adherent of agnosticism is less likely to be violent or black-and-white in their thinking. You do yourself a disservice by launching into argument because of one idle word, against someone whose position you don't know. We're on the same side.
LaodiceanMan 1 week ago
@LaodiceanMan I stand corrected lol
MuramasaDemon 1 week ago
@MuramasaDemon Don't worry about it, it happens! Haha
LaodiceanMan 1 week ago
How can this stand? that isn't a valid reason at all fuck I hate religion
MrROTD 4 months ago
Has this judge been disbarred yet? Does he have his kids back yet?
veggiescrub 4 months ago
Furthering the proof that there really is no separation of church and state
AbsitVita 4 months ago
fucking world............
sablemase 4 months ago 2
I pity the children that grow up with a radical religious zealot for a parent. what retards!
DeportedAllan 4 months ago
@DeportedAllan I had a friend who's ex-wife was a religious zealot. Once they were divorced he was hardly allowed to see his child. The child was home schooled and was not taught properly, so he could hardly read. I met the child once and he had no social skills, I thought he mite have severe Autism, but I was told he had never been treated. It was actually freighting, that this child's life was ruined because of his mothers backward thinking.
catchlightdame 2 months ago
@catchlightdame .. that is very sad. and in a country that is supposed to have separation of church and state.
DeportedAllan 2 months ago 3
kids should be kept out of the church
DeportedAllan 4 months ago 5
wtf religious discrimination!
DeportedAllan 4 months ago
FUCK COMMERCIALS
Uunamedd 5 months ago
Agnosticism - What everyone should be. NO ONE KNOWS FOR SURE SO STOP THE CRAP!
NewWorldAhead 5 months ago 3
this is stupid i wanna say this is fake, but you never know.. what a shame relgion brings to the world
XxScArEcRoWxX1 6 months ago
whatever his belief is, if he's a good dad there's no reason to take away his kids
sk8rocgirl 6 months ago in playlist descriminatin against atheists 4
"Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord" (Hebrews 12:14).
oNallieGirl 8 months ago
TheHigherVoltage 8 months ago 7
@TheHigherVoltage Do you think you are good enough to get to Heaven, if there is one?
oNallieGirl 8 months ago
@oNallieGirl If you're referring to an Abrahamic "heaven", then no, I don't get in (whew!). I don't believe that schizophrenic non-sense, so I automatically go to Abrahamic "hell" - no matter how good I am in life.
But that's just man-made cult non-sense.
However,I recognize the value in truth, and the benefits of being good (because I enjoy living in an environment of people being good to each other) - so that's how I live. As do most non-believers in non-sense.
TheHigherVoltage 8 months ago
His ex-wife needs to be knocked the hell out! There is nothing wrong with him being Agnostic. And she shouldn't be able to choose how the kids believe. They should have the right. I was raised Baptist, but am now Agnostic and I am perfectly happy.
19SLWood91 8 months ago
Is Colbert Right? Are agnostics, atheist's without balls? Take that bitch to the supreme court! I bet the skeptic community could back you up, people get fucked over for their non-belief a lot in the US, so the secularists should have every right to get this repealed
MacabreManifesto 8 months ago
Good thing they didn't find out that he's actually an agnostic non-religious atheist, he would have lost all custody for sure! :P
MacabreManifesto 8 months ago
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37425890 8 months ago
For me it's horrible that the guy even needs to say he raised the kid as a Christian- he has the right to teach that kid to be an atheist, the idea that him not raising the kid Christian will harm him is insane. I was raised without religion by Christian parents and I am an open minded, free thinking, atheist, individual- I am so thankful for not being brainwashed because it's those years which make the most impact- I could never believe start believing in God at this age.
JermzzzyFTW 9 months ago
Apparently, it is not necessary for judges in this country to obey the first amendment. I'm more qualified to be the judge than the judge. I was, after all, born in Indiana.
scottandrewhutchins 9 months ago
The government has gone insane.
riverlioness 10 months ago
Poor guy :(
He seems like a wonderul father. The mother must be a real bitch
WUUUTISTHIS 10 months ago
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Historically..........there is absolutely nothing good about religion. Nothing. Not one damn thing.
chewface 10 months ago
now if he were satanist, i would understand, but agnostic? nothing wrong there
123gingerguy 10 months ago
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@123gingerguy A Satanist would be no different. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. Being a Satanist does not make one evil.
UncleFred34 10 months ago
@123gingerguy I'm a satanist :)
oviatb 10 months ago
@oviatb your not gonna curse me are you? i don't like hell.... it's.....uhh damn
123gingerguy 9 months ago
@123gingerguy oh no, it's a wonderful place;)
oviatb 9 months ago
@123gingerguy Satanism is about questioning everything, doubting even Satan who's the origin of doubt. So you be blessed ;)
oviatb 9 months ago
The state should have no right in parents raising kids. Yes it is possible this man can become a believer. Not by might nor by power but by my spirit says the Lord.
OpenEye73 10 months ago
I think its about time atheists got as violent as religious people are! Only then will equality be acheived!
Mpa4e 11 months ago
@Mpa4e
Violence can't end violence.
cloud4an 10 months ago
@cloud4an I'm pretty sure he wasn't being serious.
NonisMonster 9 months ago
@cloud4an And neither can figurative language, taken in a non-figurative sense.
Mpa4e 9 months ago
@Mpa4e Lol.
NonisMonster 9 months ago
fuck religion
Awofaasky 11 months ago
Ahahahahaha fuckin Americans! So hypocritical. You lash out against muslim nations and yet fail to realize the bull shit religious groups in your own country are very radical them selves.
Reido2828 11 months ago 56
@Reido2828 LoL fucking Canadians.Your christians are just as bad as ours so I wouldn't be talking.
knucks360 9 months ago
@knucks360
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha your a fuckin moron! Have you been to Canada? We have more subways now than churches lol we also gave our homosexual communities the right to get married. Our Church opposed it saying it was unconstitutional but were a SECULAR nation and the law was passed and they were given that right. Your Christian population is radical, fascist and dangerous. You can't even begin to compare our conservatives to yours. Ours look like the rainbow compared to yours
Reido2828 9 months ago
@Reido2828 As a matter of fact,I have been to Canada plus I have family there,otherwise I wouldn't just be saying what I said.Yes some of our christians are radical,but so are yours and that's my point here.And the fact that you have to argue by calling me a moron just shows how pathetic you are at arguing.
knucks360 9 months ago
@knucks360
Canadian Christians are indeed radical atleast some of them but Americas is much worse. You don't see many pat robertsons up here in the north. And if you did not many people would be paying attention to them. Also, Pastor John hagee is completely nuts and many of his followers. America is way more religiously conservative than Canada is.
Reido2828 9 months ago
@Reido2828 I wouldn't say worse,but we do have alot more christian conservatives than you,I'll give you that.However there are also alot more americans than canadians so yeah were gonna have more religious nuts.
knucks360 9 months ago
@knucks360
Stop trying to justify your comments. Point me in the direction of a bad conservative Christian in Canada. I'd love to see the article. But sadly the ones in America are radical who truly take the bible very seriously and is quite dangerous to society. If a republican gets elected like palin then here comes ww3
Reido2828 9 months ago
@Reido2828 Only a FEW American christians are radical and take the bible seriously,most don't follow everything it says,or we'd be in a world of shit.Quit running your mouth cause you don't know what you're even talking about.Have you even met the majority of American christians? I have not and im sure you haven't either,my point is that radical christians exist EVERYWHERE,they will be radical to anyone who is not of their faith.And you're just picking on one country and it's ignorant.
knucks360 9 months ago
@knucks360
I'd say its more than a few. A lot more. Which is why things like abortion and same sex marriages have not made it into public lime light yet and are just floating around as unconstitutional. Its not Ignorant when a majority of the American public want some form of the bible in the constitutions or when some consider themselves Christians before Americans which is at 32%. I can send you stats and websites if you want?
Reido2828 9 months ago
@Reido2828 Yes because all Americans are as ignorant as the ones you see on fox news. None of us are capable of seeing religious stupidity and all of us lash out against Muslims.
johnnythesailorman 6 months ago
@Reido2828 You are so right!
SUNSHINE21480 6 months ago
@Reido2828 religons not bujllshit teh ppl that are claimin to be leadin it are
brentwhitehead 5 months ago
@Reido2828 Ahahahahahaha We "Americans" do realize the bull shit religious ideologies in our country. The upside is our idiots make public policy in favor of religion. They don't blow themselves up in the middle of town, as they do, in the Islamic third world countries. You can't make an argument for "Americans" being hypocritical. Two different religious worlds, both ideologies need to go.
sablemase 4 months ago
he got his time cut from 84 hours a week, 21 one times more than it currently is. 50/50 is great, cutting off his time of custody down from 50/50 to four hours a week is crazy, insane, and uncalled for.
Zeldagigafan90210 11 months ago
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just going to say i consider myself as a christian but i do not go to church because i do not believe in putting your faith in another persons hands. if people want to do this fine thats their right. i believe in freedom of religion. i do not believe that people who are non christians are going to hell, i think God has bigger fish to fry if you catch my drift. i DO believe in dinosaurs and aliens, we are not the only ones in the universe and to think other wise is narcissistic.
sillykatz 11 months ago
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sillykatz 11 months ago
Absolutely Outrageous!!!!
MyDeathmaskDivine 1 year ago 24
What ever happened with this? Did he appeal? This is unbelievable unfair!
Trips1103 1 year ago
I have my own logical morality. I for instance, do don't agree with slavery (as the bible does) HOW DO YOU PROVE THAT RIGHT HUH PUNK? The bible is riddled with contradictions. For instance, Genesis 1 and 2 disagree about the order in which things are created. The Gospels of Matthew and Luke contradict each other on the genealogy of Jesus Christ's father; though both agree that Joseph was not his real father.
BobRoberts1st 1 year ago
@BobRoberts1st
'HOW DO YOU PROVE THAT RIGHT HUH PUNK?'
Easily. From a practical standpoint slavery is a good economic process and southerners had all kinds of arguments.
'The bible is riddled with contradictions.'
As is science.
But also, so is history in general. Read Marco Polo. Go watch the movie Fair Game which paints a different picture of what actually happened in the Valerie Plame case.
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear OK you need to be a slave and we will see how good the economics are...
Your argument proves NOTHING, your argument is what Aristotle called an "Argument from Ignorance".
But what else would I expect?
BobRoberts1st 1 year ago
@BobRoberts1st
'OK you need to be a slave and we will see how good the economics are...'
I'd have no right to claim the economics were good or bad because my opinion would be biased, right?
'Your argument proves NOTHING.'
Only that secular reasoning can justify anything. You can ignore that, it doesn't make it not true.
'But what else would I expect?'
So you had preconceived notions and biases yourself. Not very scientific.
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear GOD just told me you were WRONG. Argue with THAT lol
BobRoberts1st 1 year ago
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@BobRoberts1st
'GOD just told me you were WRONG. Argue with THAT lol'
Sure deal. Has god spoken to you before? Is this in line with an existing work of religious belief? Can the call be attributed to nothing but God?
Also, if you're so firm in your belief of secular morality, why joke about it? Just tell me how you're certain.
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
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@BobRoberts1st
'GOD just told me you were WRONG. Argue with THAT lol'
Easily. Does God speak to you often? Is this visitation in line with an existing work of religious belief?
Also, if you're so certain in your beliefs, why joke about it? Just tell me why you believe what you believe.
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
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@BobRoberts1st
'GOD just told me you were WRONG. Argue with THAT lol'
Easily. Does God speak to you often? Is this visitation in line with an existing work of religious belief?
Also, if you're so certain in your beliefs, why joke about it? Just tell me why you believe what you believe.
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear "Also, if you're so certain in your beliefs, why joke about it?" HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO DEFINE AGNOSTIC FOR YOU? IT IS SIMPLE GNOSTIC comes from GNOSIS=KNOWLEDGE from an idiotic religious cult who thought they KNEW everything. A=opposite of like A -THEIST. Therefore an AGNOSTIC knows he doesn't know anything about god! GOT IT? How do you argue with a philosophy that say I don't know? Are you telling mean that I actually KNOW?
BobRoberts1st 1 year ago
@BobRoberts1st
So you're not certain in your belief that there is or is no God?
Then why do you keep claiming to know that God does not exist?
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear Being an Agnostic I claim neither existence or non-existence of god. I argue with atheists as well so don't feel too abused lol.
Unfortunately for religious people it is much easier to argue with them because they are in abundance and usually put forth absurd statements that need to be contradicted.
BobRoberts1st 1 year ago
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bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@BobRoberts1st
Look here, you can't feign having no preconceived notions if you're constantly saying god is an impossibility.
I imagine atheists simply agree with everything you say, since they see a potential ally in someone unaligned.
But I've yet to see you contradict a statement I've made without the weight of a personal attack.
Can we talk civilly, or should we part ways in peace?
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear I do not feign anything. I simply like to argue with logical procedures. In reference to arguments with atheists there is only ONE argument I can use... (and it is extremely logical)
YOU CAN NOT PROVE A NEGATIVE!!!
Ergo, you simply CAN NOT prove there is NOT a god. However, I have not seen proof there is.
ALSO, there is not yet even ONE atheist that agrees with me. (same number of religious people too lol)
In reference to civility, I did not mean to argue ad hominem.
BobRoberts1st 1 year ago
@BobRoberts1st
With logical procedures? You've ignored all the evidence I've provided till now.
I was mostly referring to your vitriol, not your ad hominems.
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear The secondary definition of evidence is "something that furnishes proof". I have not seen this from you. Also, this is the definition of an ad hominem argument "marked by or being an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made". Which is obviously vitriolic ergo your last comment is rather redundant.
BobRoberts1st 1 year ago
@BobRoberts1st
Proof is actually defined as 'evidence that convinces'.
So I can't provide proof. Even if I showed you gods finger print you'd deny it. It doesn't fit into your understanding or beliefs. If I showed you anti-gravity you wouldn't stop believing in gravity either.
So no I can't prove a positive to someone dead set on disbelieving everything they don't believe anyway.
Apologies for the redundancy.
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear You are absolutely wrong in both cases. If you showed me the irrefutable fingerprint of god, I would most certainly believe in god. However, if you showed me anti-gravity, it would simply show that there HAD to be gravity for there to be anti-gravity (logic prevails!).
BobRoberts1st 1 year ago
@BobRoberts1st
Oh, I have no doubt that I'd be wrong in every case I present.
'Irrefutable' is the issue here. Anything you disbelieve can be refuted.
Also notice how with your logic you managed to claim gravity exists consistently despite the presence of anti-gravity spontaneously.
So logic may prevail, but you actually proved both of my points.
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear OMG lol Obviously your logic button has broken. When I tell you I would believe in god with irrefutable proof it means exactly that "I WOULD BELIEVE". For anti-gravity to exist there HAS to be gravity! For you to be ANTI-abortion there has to be abortion... GET IT??? For there to be anti-anything to HAS to be ANYTHING!!!
BobRoberts1st 1 year ago
@BobRoberts1st
Can you talk without using leet speak please? I'd take you more seriously.
You'd believe god if the prove aligned with your current beliefs anyway. That's not being convinced, that's accepting what you believe anyway.
For anti-gravity there has to be gravity? Not necessarily. There are atheists who don't believe in God and people who don't believe in evil too.
Get it?
On both points you claimed to be swayed...but you stayed mired in your own preconceptions.
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear Obviously explaining something to you as simplistic as the concept of ANTI seems to be impossible. You don't seem to understand this one simple point. For there to be an ANTI-something there MUST be a SOMETHING. How do you not grasp such a simple concept? BTW OMG is not LEET SPEAK!!
BobRoberts1st 1 year ago
@BobRoberts1st
Internet speak. Whatever. Its irritating and pointless.
Yes, it is difficult for me to understand the idea of not challenging preconceived notions of a thing if there exist instances that seem to go against our understanding of that thing.
Unless you're going by faith.
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear Irritating to you perhaps. Pointless? hardly. I'm afraid I am done. You seem to have no concept of rational logical thought so arguing with you is truly pointless.
Have a good time. Sorry I have to go but I'm due back on earth.
BobRoberts1st 1 year ago
@BobRoberts1st
Well maybe someday you'll learn to question yourself.
Farewell.
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@BobRoberts1st
Easily. Does God speak to you often? Is this visitation in line with an existing work of religious belief?
Also, if you're so certain in your beliefs, why joke about it? Just tell me why you believe what you believe.
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
"If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her." - Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT
- Interpret please.
JayJayAbels 1 year ago
@JayJayAbels
'Interpret please.'
Tough laws to prevent rape. I don't honestly see why this is the one giving you trouble. First of all the code of Humarabi before this would probably have the man or woman killed. Second of all I think its a deterrent to make a fine for rape, and also fittingly ironic the man must then support the woman with his own means for his crime.
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear Okay so what you're saying is... if a man rapes a women... he must pay her father some compensation but then the women must marry her rapist?
Is that what you're saying? I just want to be clear.
JayJayAbels 1 year ago
@JayJayAbels
'Is that what you're saying? I just want to be clear.'
Clearly not. We're not Jews and we don't live at the same time period.
I don't seem to remember Jesus forcing Mary to marry one of her 'suitors'
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear
Well you have half of it right. We DON'T live at the same time period - so then... why would you cherry pick the things that you DO want to believe in an obviously flawed and outdated book written by earlier men?
I don't care what "Jesus" did or didn't do. This scripture is part of your "holy" book and if you want to "go there" - Jesus expressed clearly that you must also follow the Old Testament.
Would you like to reread those passages?
JayJayAbels 1 year ago
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@JayJayAbels
'why would you cherry pick the things that you DO want to believe in an obviously flawed and outdated book written by earlier men?'
Like you and science? I don't know. Do you have an answer?
'Jesus expressed clearly that you must also follow the Old Testament.'
He actually did that himself when he healed people on the Sabbath and hung out with sinners.
Want me to show you those passages?
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear Science provides evidence. Science has no say as to whether that evidence is good or bad or is biased in ANY direction.
And so far... science has provided us with enough evidence to know with NEAR certainty that there is no god.
And DEFINITELY NOT the Christian god.
You are DELUDED. DEE-LOO-ZHUN-ALL.
You have NO evidence to back up your bullshit fairytales so you MUST resort to bashing science because it's the only legitimate source of quality information.
lmfao @ you!
JayJayAbels 1 year ago
@JayJayAbels
So wait a moment. Science provides evidence but has no says as to whether evidence is good or bad?
So...how can you say anything is good or bad?
Science hasn't even attempted to disprove God, atheists do that and they consistently fail.
Out of the two of us you sound the most wound up about this, using insults and silly little catch phrases.
There's evidence aplenty for The Bible, for God, for every claim I make.
And apparently science can't say if its good or bad.
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
Well Well can you say INQUISITION??? This is what happens when religion takes over ANYTHING! How can you possibly argue philosophy with an Agnostic? All they are saying with this viewpoint is I DON'T KNOW!!!
BobRoberts1st 1 year ago
@BobRoberts1st
'This is what happens when religion takes over ANYTHING!'
As opposed to eugenics?
'How can you possibly argue philosophy with an Agnostic?'
You might ask them what they could possibly teach someone if they don't believe in anything firmly.
Would you want a teacher who was agnostic about reality? Science?
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear Not teaching about religion is vastly superior to teaching fairy-tales. Again I remind you that an Agnostic is NOT an Atheist. In fact an Atheist might be just as foolish as a christian in that there is a staunch belief in an unprovable fact.
BobRoberts1st 1 year ago
@BobRoberts1st
'Not teaching about religion is vastly superior to teaching fairy-tales.'
Except that religion is not fairy tales. You need to show that it is.
'In fact an Atheist might be just as foolish as a christian in that there is a staunch belief in an unprovable fact.'
Unprovable fact...like the previous person who couldn't tell me why they followed morality?
Why do YOU follow morality?
Can you prove why you do so?
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear I have my own logical morality. I for instance, do don't agree with slavery (as the bible does) HOW DO YOU PROVE THAT RIGHT HUH PUNK? The bible is riddled with contradictions. For instance, Genesis 1 and 2 disagree about the order in which things are created. The Gospels of Matthew and Luke contradict each other on the genealogy of Jesus Christ's father; though both agree that Joseph was not his real father.
BobRoberts1st 1 year ago
@BobRoberts1st
Science claims that things cannot occur without a cause...yet atheist scientists argue the root cause of everything is nothingness which also has weight apparently. Quantum Mechanics contradicts the laws of physics as do Red Dwarfs (which slow stars somehow) and the problem of Dark Matter. Alternate Universes are accepted by scientists without proof and evolution itself accepts non evidence (missing links) as evidence.
So if contradictions irk you, why do you follow science?
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear Hi I'm that "previous person". First of all... we don't follow morality... we adhere to it. We follow laws. (That adhere to a general morality.)
Second I CAN and HAVE explained why morality exists and why there is NO reason to believe that it comes from a "higher power".
You are implying that without adhering to the Christian bibles set of moralities... one cannot truly be moral.
Which is OBVIOUS bs because the Christian bible is one of the MOST immoral books ever written.
JayJayAbels 1 year ago
@JayJayAbels
In general aren't you not supposed to 'adhere' to things based on faith alone?
You haven't explained why morality exists. Certainly laws exist but they're not always moral.
Yes, without a moral standpoint outside of mankind morality makes no logical sense.
And The Bible is not the MOST immoral book. I think you should read up on Eugenics...a scientific concept.
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear GTFO of here! Science has no say in social or political affairs. It ONLY provides evidence. Eugenics was NOT a "scientific concept" - it was an evil, racist concept in which certain individuals attempted to use science to validate it.
A nuclear bomb isn't designed, built or even thought of by science itself.
Science is a tool that can be used and abused by ANY puny human being with enough resources and power.
Your bible IS evil and OLDDD as balls. It's NOT relevant.
JayJayAbels 1 year ago
@JayJayAbels
Science has no say is political affairs? Except for abortion, eugenics and stem cell research as well as Global Warming.
You keep using the word 'evil'. Can you justify it please?
If science is just a tool, why do you believe whatever scientists tell you too?
Also science is old too, based on greek cultists. Math was invented by a guy who used to hold holy orgies and chemistry was once called alchemy.
Also not relevant?
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
@bloodrunsclear SCIENCE ITSELF HAS NO SAY IN ANY OF THAT! It is people who use science to reach conclusions!
I don't know if you're PURPOSELY wasting my time but I just can't/won't debate someone as WILLFULLY ignorant as you.
You've been lied to... and brain washed. (Thoroughly I might add.)
To anyone else who reads this... the first thing you should ask ANY Creationist while in a debate is whether or not they'd be willing to give up their beliefs in light of new evidence.
My bad. smh
JayJayAbels 1 year ago
@JayJayAbels
Willfully ignorant? I keep asking for you to explain your theory of secular morality and you have not.
You've been lied to if you believe The Bible has no evidence, that its evil, and that science has disproven God.
All three are provably untrue.
If the issue is whether or not I'd give up my believe in light of new evidence...would you?
You're determined to hate and disbelief in God no matter what so the same applies to you.
bloodrunsclear 1 year ago
I contributed to that statistic *yay!*
Daghead 1 year ago
"I know karate"...epic!
MobileThinker 1 year ago
This is truly fucked up period! Way to go religion youve managed to yet again to destroy another extremely hard seperation.
gravekeepersven 1 year ago
Bottom line:
this poor man can only see his children for four fucking hours a week just because he is an agnostic
its fucking sick
Dubickimus 1 year ago
Awh man. We humans suck. Srry Jesus for all the misunderstanding we're spreading among eachother.
Belicose777 1 year ago
Wow. I'm A Devout Christian, but I'm understanding and I'm not crazy. People need to get themselves together. Everyone doesn't believe the same thing, okay, but that's not disabling people. People need to stop acting so blind. People like this give bad names to all people believing in a religion. This is bull.
AintGoin 1 year ago 17
@AintGoin
So if you are not crazy please explain your stance on dinosours... Is it true that you do not believe they existed? Or is that just every other crazy christian I have ever met... I grew up in church, but by the time I was 13 I knew it was all complete bullshit! So let your children choose what they want to believe in, don't brainwash your kids into believing your fairy tales...
Manuelc33 1 year ago
@Manuelc33 Okay I'm not sure why you come lashing out on me or WHY you think I should explain my beliefs to you or WHY you think you have anything to do with how I'm gonna raise my children. That ain't got nothing to do with how crazy this judge is being toward this man. You need to shut all that down and if you really wanna have a discussion about religion I'm sure you are smart enough to talk to someone in real life. Therefore I am done commenting with you.
AintGoin 1 year ago
@AintGoin As a Christian, you just granted everyone their right to literally go to hell. And you know what? That makes you completely flawless!
I resent your religion less now, and am more likely to join it! That "JOIN US OR BURN!" scare-tactic is probably the main reason I resent religion. While your "I'm not gonna scare or influence your decision, but I'm here for ya if ya ever wanna talk sum' Christ ;)"-tactic is rather intriguing! :)
Thank you!
leirgauk 11 months ago
@leirgauk You clearly know nothing about the Christianity, because if you did you'd realize that *real Christians do not use any "scare-tactic" and that Christians in absolutely no way claim to be perfect, in fact if you knew even the slightest bit about Christianity you'd realize that a huge point in the religion is that no one is perfect. There is WAY too much ignorance in your comment to be addressed in my comment, but if by some miracle you'd like to have a mature discussion I am here.
AintGoin 11 months ago
@AintGoin Lol! Wow! That sure was one condescending reply.
As it is sorta trendy to bash on Christianity, I suppose you assumed that this was my intention.
Not at all.
"There is WAY too much ignorance in your comment"
Actually, the ONLY statement I made was that Christians use scare-tactics to have people join them. You seem to disagree on this, so all I can ask you is: "Have you even been to the surface?" (suggesting you were raised in some underground vault, in case you didn't get that).
leirgauk 11 months ago
@AintGoin (Part 2) First of all, I'm not sure your presumption of the word "scare-tactics" is correct. It's not a bad thing.
If I told you not to eat the purple berries, because they are deadly, that's a scare-tactic. If all I said was "don't eat the purple berries", I would be partially responsible for your death, if you ever ate one. This is why Christians MUST warn the uninformed about Hell, to avoid being partially responsible.
leirgauk 11 months ago
@AintGoin (Part 3) BUT! If you were to inform some African bush-men (who were completely oblivious to Christianity), it would be another story. They already go to heaven, because they wouldn't know right from wrong anyway. So, by informing them, you give them this dreadful ultimatum (which according to you, is the very meaning of life) that no man wants to live with. One one hand, you help do God's bidding, but on the other hand, you make the judgement that this person might belong in hell.
leirgauk 11 months ago
@AintGoin (Part 3) Which is not up to you, but God, ergo; blasphemy.
This is irrelevant. Sorry. I just enjoy giving Christians a little something to chew on.
"if you knew even the slightest bit about Christianity you'd realize that a huge point in the religion is that no one is perfect."
When, in my comment, did I give the impression that I didn't realize this or any other slight bit about Christianity?
leirgauk 11 months ago
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musicaevideo1 1 year ago
epic face at 4:20...oh wait, he's trying to eat his kids and it's at 4:20, the atheist follows hitler and want to eat his kids, don't let him see his children!!!!!!!!!!!jk
FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 1 year ago
again with "agnostics" :((( this is how false meanings get perpetuated :((( we are all agnostic, that does not mean that he does not or does believe, has nothing to do with it :(((
stojadinovicp 1 year ago
Everybody wants to be a "bouncer at the pearly gates"
goodknight0001 1 year ago
Agnostic camp sounds like fun! They must sit around the campfire and sing songs about how you can't really know anything about anything because you can't disprove a negative.
RadioFreeWisconsin 1 year ago
@RadioFreeWisconsin better yet, just go fucking camp. and cut out the religious or atheist propaganda.
hmsrenown 1 year ago
I'm so sick of the way nonreligious people are treated in this country, which supposedly guarantees the separation of church and state. There are over 1 billion of us in the whole fucking world, including 15% of Americans! If you ever see an atheist/agnostic running for political office, whether they're a Democrat or a Republican, vote for them. We need some rationalists making public policy.
MassLiberal1 1 year ago
Why is Religion in the court in the first place..
TheDigitalMafia 1 year ago 20
@TheDigitalMafia Religion and law are both unjust...
pokeshmon 1 year ago
I can't stand the way some people just take religion as a matter of course; oh, wait, you're an agnostic? Well, everybody knows agnostics can't care for children, it's obvious, so you can't have them, of course. What the hell is wrong with people?
jerico641 1 year ago
@SIRRIX000 True comment.
Megajanitor 1 year ago
@Megajanitor I can't even find what I said because of all the arguing on the comments pages. Lol. Thank you though.
SIRRIX000 1 year ago
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@SIRRIX000 The problem isn't insane people. The problem is people who use religion as a way to sneak into a society/group and then take it over for their own ends. Hitler did this...
That one. And np. Just don't get why this view is so untenable.
Megajanitor 1 year ago
fact is the US already has control of Iran... they control the water from Afghanistan into Iran... one can then understand that this is just another media smokescreen for some important event.
drowsmith 1 year ago
@smeejit Do you even know what separation of church & State is? You might want to reread the writings of the founding fathers. Separation of church & State is ONLY about the State not having an official State religion that everyone must join, and not telling you what you must think about religion. That's it, nothing else. Just those 2 things, period full stop. Anything else added is crap & not part of the Constitution. It only limits the State not the people.
twjung 1 year ago
@SIRRIX000 The problem isn't insane people. The problem is people who use religion as a way to sneak into a society/group and then take it over for their own ends. Hitler did this. He told the workers group that he was Christian because they all were, and wouldn't let him lead if he told the truth and he knew that. Once he had power then his true colors came out. This has happened over & over in history. Most of the bad people in religion are just using it to get power, & they aren't believers.
twjung 1 year ago
Why does no one mention that the father had a protective order against him by the mother, when he went to the custody hearing? I have never seen a parent who has a protective order against them ever get custody of the children. The father never talks about an appeal because he knows it isn't about religion, even though it is his right. He just wants to picket the court instead. He lied to the reporters and they never checked the police records or judge's ruling. That is crap reporting.
twjung 1 year ago
@twjung You wrote...
"Why does no one mention that the father had a protective order against him by the mother, when he went to the custody hearing?"
- Do you have a source for this?
Thanx!
JayJayAbels 1 year ago
@JayJayAbels I found it in the court's hearing information, public records and local news reports about the case. Call the local police department there or look up the case file for the protective order hearing. It is publicly available information. All of this is available online with a little googling. I found in 15 minutes of searches. I can't post URLs here or I would. She got it because he was showing up at all hours, harassing her via texting, and because he couldn't control his anger.
twjung 1 year ago
@twjung I tried to find it myself but could only find pages and pages of the story itself. That's why I asked. Please feel free to send the url to me via a message. I'd really appreciate it if you could!
Thanx!
JayJayAbels 1 year ago
@TheDynastQueen Your funny. I guess you forgot that a lot of churches including the Catholic church requires that you take classes to understand exactly what the religion is. I guess you missed the part where the pastor reads from the Bible and people follow along. So the fact that Christians and Catholics, which are the same, know the least? Citation needed. Constantly edited? Citation needed. Outdated? Citation needed. That's your opinion and not fact. Your posting your opinion and zero facts.
twjung 1 year ago
Leave hicksville, preferably on fire.
baalisgod666 1 year ago
Love Cenk.
dakoneko 1 year ago