and they never did post the video as a vette will always be just a over powered gokart with a bodykit tht isnt worth a shit except in a straight line and its not amazing doing tht!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!PERIOD
everyone here that talks up the Zr1 is a FUCKING MORON who lies, cheats, and bs's their way to the moon, get over yourselves and the POS Zr1, that doesn't get sold because people think its stupid and a POS and would never purchase a corvette for over $100k or anywhere near $100k.
koukicrisp you're such a fucking faggot. i think most people get your point about what you are trying to say, but what is the point of calling other people assholes, dumbasses or dumb fucks? base your criticism on hard facts, not on other people's ignorance.
ZR1 will come out with more power and other improvements, just as in the past. Having said all that, credit is due for the ATESSA AWD. Its the cutting edge, and the GTR's main advantage. Too bad it just ain't enough to beat the WINNER, the MIGHTY ZR1! :) Console yourself with talk of high technology, as you watch the ZR1's taillights leaving you behind.
A ZR1 won't beat a GT2 Porsche. It maybe just as fast--And as far as price, The zr1 is 175,000 On the internet, 200 grand at the dealer, if you can get one. ALL 3,000 ZR1's HAVE BEEN SOLD. Not to mention the Gas Guzzler tax, of 7,000..Too bad doushebag, Shithead GM lovers...
Just try to get one for 103, grand BECAUSE YOU WON'T and it won't Destroy a GT2 You deluded, inbred, redneck, faggot! That enough curse words for ya? Porsche is the Benchmark not your piece of shit, pushrod low resale value, vette!
ok then spend 85,000 on an after market ZO6 and watch it run laps around anything germany has to offer for that price or any where near that price. dont write back to this because i'll just have to wast more time telling you the VETTE is the BEST CAR ON EARTH AND GM RULEZ!!!!!!!!!!!!
GM rules what? A shit 4% market value? Haveing thier ass kicked by Toyota? Because Toyota can BUILD a car to last more than 2 years? GET A LIFE, AND READ KELLY BLUE BOOK. Porsche is the benchmark, Ferrari, Lamborghini- So i guess if you had 20 million in the bank, you would be happy with a piece of shit ZR1 Right? NO LAMBO, NO FERRARI Just GM Right? Go ahead and lie about that GM is SHIT.. And so are you.. You deluded fool..
youhave no right calling ANYONE a "doluted fool". gm and toyota have went back and forth as of late foe most vehicles sold. toyota still profitted more even with lower sales-the reason is the average wage while toyota still uses slave labor
How about in quality? Porsche has been kicking American ass for DECADES... And you KNOW GM's responce to quality is to add more Horsepower.. You really think Porsche is gonna stay beat by that POS? spy the 2010 GT2
Wow so you're comparing the ZR1 to the next generation of Porsche. I mean, really that statement only does justice to how good of a performer the ZR1 really is if you're having to compare it to future Porsche models. You really wanna hate this car don't you?
No, I want YOU to wake the fuck up, and really stop talking SHIT about cars (ie Porsche, Ferrari) that you KNOW would be in your garage,(IF YOU HAD BIG MONEY) next to your GM POS. And sorry, Vette will never be the benchmark for supercars. They are Daily drivers, for bald headed fat maggots who can't get pussy. And you know it. there is no mystic in a fucking vette. A Porsche or Ferrari Kicks your ass going 195, 200, 30Mph Or zero. Get it? Sorry Pal. Thank you.
lol looks like I struck a nerve. Anywho, thanks for branding me as a GM fan, but frankly I love pretty much any car that can be considered high performance. My particular favorite is a certain 5.0L flat-12 Porsche actually. But feel free to stop being biased about some cars, because you miss out if you do. And regardless of what you think, that bald fat maggot car is still a phenomenal performer. live with it, and just be happy that eventually some other car will surpass it and so on so forth.
No nerve struck, owning a 2002 911 and a Boxter S (WHICH SUIT ME FINE NO MODS) If feel it necessary sometimes to inform some people how America sold YOU (and me) Down the river. Because you KNOW if a Vette was built like a Toyota, Or Porsche? It would be about 200k to start with.
Uhh... Do you think for a moment, that if vette were just as good as toyota there would be a problem? Do you think that Germany Or Japan would even be in this country selling cars? NO. SO WAKE UP. We think not. And by the way Vette ISN'T top dog when it comes to speed. I thought we established that? You must be falling into that pushrod POS Fantasy again.
Well yeah it's top speed is only 205, but it's average speed around the Nurburgring is greater than that of the Zonda F Clubsport and the Carrera GT. Not to mention the corvette was cited as being the most satisfying in reliability in the sports car catagory. And please stop saying wake up, just because I'm defending the corvette (not GM). Furthermore, pushrods engines have their advantages and disadvantages, just like any other design. Didn't I already recommend that you stop being so biased?
You just don't get it do you? Just because a company or person adds more horsepower to a car, doesen't mean that it has BEEN or IS the LEADER (ie PORSCHE AND THE LIKE) In records , class, nor heritage or fame. Its going to take more than the NEW Z06 Or ZR1 To top decades, of WINNING! And pushrod technology is so old its no wonder FORD, sucks Or any car company still uses that technology. Honda rules, withour pushrods, why can't GM. Opps sorry, your precious vette?
You do know that pushrod and dohc valvetrains like those in Honduhs are roughly equal in age, right? Both designs originated in the early 1900s. Anywho, as I said before, each has its advantages and disadvantages. And you're right, it's not just adding horsepower, but the corvette ZR! did beat the GT2's laptime. Facts are facts, get over it and go drive your fake porsche (that's what the 911 drivers call it, right?).
And once again, get off on the whole "precious vette" comment thing. I actually prefer Porsche over any other auto group, and I love the GT2, but at least I'm not too stubborn to admit when another car beats the GT2 on the track. Why not give the Zonda F CS flak about beating the GT2? You know why? Because you can probably handle the idea of the GT2 being beaten by a Pagani. You just can't handle it when an American car turns out to be good for once.
After fucking over the entire NATION, by makeing and selling, worthless Pieces of shit to the American public, with people who can't afford thier homes, and have to buy SHIT GM cars and they are upsidedown, in thier payments, because GM cars are worthless from the factory, NO I can't handle what you seem to love, a car company that believe's in FUCKING the economy... NO.. I don't.
If you wanna impress me, get a Porsche worth caring about dumbass. Any soccer mom out there has the two Porsches you own. Be a man and get something good. If you haven't driven a Z06 or a 911 turbo, then fuck off, because I've gotten to test drive both along with an SLR McLaren, a Gallardo Superleggera, and an F430 when I signed up for the World Class Driving experience. Maybe you should do the same and gain some knowledge in the process, moron.
stop defending, POS because they have a lot of horsepower, Supercars are MORE than just HP, asshole, I thought you knew that? They are more than a straight line-class, heritage, everything that GM's POS ZR1 will NEVER have. How about I defend a Bugahtti? 1001 Hp 215 Top speed? 2.7 Million? You'd still make a case for the ZR1. I'm done talking to you, if i ever see you in your Z roadster, I'll smoke you... Bye....
umm actually bugatti does not have any herritage its just a name vw slapped on a new line of cars to make more $ cus bugatti folded a long time ago and etorre bugatti founded his company in france not germany... but hey ur retarted so ill let it slide, well if you know so much about cars im sure u could build a chassis and body from scratch huh? o u cant ahh sorry to hear that well i can so i guess id like to see you smoke me in a car that u cant even drie
it really is just a shame that they give ppl as blunt as you that much money, so just back out of the argument like u are trying to do and be wrong somewhere else
Are you just pant-on-head retarded? You don't achieve a 7:26 by being a straight line car. Also it's not just HP, it's also the Magnetorheological shocks (same company who makes them for the ferrari 599), gigantic carbon ceramic brakes, and also the large front splitter and rear lip spoiler , and also the switch to Michelin PS2s instead of runflats that helps out. As for the Bugatti, get your facts straight. It's 253 mph and 5 million to make one. Sold at $1.2 million.
@PukaMan GM had to admit the Ctsv that did the ring lap was not a production model as they first claimed, it was also not stock, even if it were the Audi always had a faster time, so why if they cheated there would they not cheat everywhere else?
Then people felt the need to post fake lap times for the Zr1, the 7:22 never happened.
Then Porsche claims the GTR runs 7:50's so everyone jumps on them and says they cheated.
All the while an independent tested both GTR and Zr1 and they ran 7:38's.
@PukaMan one more thing. The driver for 0-60 who did all these laps for the Enzo, the Mc12, Zr1, GTR etc. didn't own any of these cars, and wrecking a GTR or a Zr1 is not as big of a deal as wrecking an Enzo or something equel, So the Enzo etc. likely would have ran faster if he really wanted to push the limit.
In other words, going around claiming the ACR's victory, when its not the fastest car and it needed to use adjustable, track parts to even get that time is kinda stupid.
@mr2ya Jesus christ, man, you're whining about comments I made over a year ago. Things have changed, and faster cars have been made. Furthermore, you can't blame them for using the adjustable aero-bits and suspension on the ACR, when that's what comes on the car straight from the factory. It's not like they said "Hey lets put this stuff on the Viper so it can kick ass on the Nordschleife." The car comes that way. Not taking advantage of a car's attributes would be just plain stupid.
@PukaMan whining!? whos whining? only the facts is not whining, when will people like you learn that?
The point is, in REAL LIFE, its not actually faster,and GM never had ANY record ever.
GET OVER IT!
The Point is, people talk about the ACR as if it were some freak of nature, "look how fast it is!", whoppty GODDAMN DO! people bolted those parts on their on Vipers LONG before any ACR and got the same results, with no "holy shit" "its the awesomest car in the world". So fuck that.
@mr2ya Wow so you're basing how fast a car is by it's laptime on one track. That's very empirical of you. And yeah, the ACR could be considered a freak of nature. Can you name another large-scale automobile manufacturer who's made a car as track oriented as it?
@mr2ya You seem really pompous, and you sure did a good job of avoiding my question. So I guess you couldn't find a car from a large volume automobile manufacturer that comes like this from the factory, with a warranty? I know you can do this shit to cars yourself, but that wasn't the question. I've built a tube-frame chassis from scratch for Formula SAE, but that doesn't mean I'm running around saying "Haw you fags and your pre-made vehicles, try building a car from scratch, noobs!"
@PukaMan LOL! Avoiding? how? i rattled off a number of manufacturers who have FACTORY cars built like this THAT ARE FASTER, and a number of cars that have been done by the owners, who bolts the parts on is irrelevant as long as they are the same parts.
Saying its a new found thing that Dodge bolted on adjustable parts to a Viper is only something a uninformed NOOB (you) would say or think.
@mr2ya When did I say that bolting on racing parts was a newfound thing? That's not what's special about it. What's special about is that a large-scale car manufacturer is doing this straight from the dealer, and it DOES come with a full factory warranty, moron. Goddam. And what other factory cars come out like this from any of the major car companies? The only other I can think of that comes close to this kind of adjustability in a streetcar from the factory is the Porsche GT3 RS.
@PukaMan Copying what owners have already done is not special, no matter the retarded twist you try and put on it.
Good luck breaking something at the track and getting it warranty'd, MORON!
Fxx, 599xx, Any race version of any car sold, the Gemballa Porsche, the Fully loaded Bmw, The radical, the V8 atom, Ultima Gtr, Gumpart, Askari A10, Zonda R, CCXR, Rieger Gallardo, any Mosler, V8 Caterham.
Any car that the owner says stock sucks and these parts are better.
@mr2ya That's great, you listed a bunch of cars that are either not street legal, tuners, or they aren't even from mainstream car companies and often considered kit cars. Quite the dodgey bastard aren't you? Also, you forgot the Caparo T1. You may also want to read from a Porsche or Corvette owner's manual and see what they say about tracking your car. You'd be surprised.
@PukaMan LOL! their mostly all street legal, mostly all production cars, and out sell the ACR, so their not exactly small companies.
LIKE I ALREADY SAID!!!! GOOD LUCK GETTING A TRACKDAY CAR WARRANTIED!!!
And yes, driving at high speeds with the Dampers on the wrong setting might not handle so good, the Suspension itself did not break. the knob broke... eh? and it still put down an amazing time despite that. LOL!
@PukaMan regardless of what you say, Dodge doing to a Viper what owners have already done, (FOR YEARS!) is not new or special.
You're giving Dodge credit for things that have already been done and claiming it to be new.
Plus, most of those parts seem to be universal unlike the Enzo etc. which incorporates its Aero into the body and design of the car, not just hanging a wing, coilovers and splitters on it.
@mr2ya I'm giving Dodge credit for selling what is basically a street-legal race car striaght from the factory. The last Enzo I saw was 1.6 million because the owner has put only 600 miles on it. Funny you have to dig into that bag when comparing it to a $90,000+ car. I think it would be a good runner against an ACR as long as the electronic dampers don't give out.
@PukaMan You're giving Dodge credit for what other have already done, thats stupid and noobish for a person that supposedly build frames and knows what he's talking about.
Didn't dig hard at all, tons of cars are faster than the ACR, the Ultima is, and its cheaper, So...
And yeah, those pesky knobs do tend to break when you turn them too hard, other than that the Enzo's electronic dampers are just fine.
Do you find it funny that more people bought a 1.6 million $ car than a $90k Viper? LOL!
@mr2ya Yeah you looked up a bunch of small companies which exclusively build trackday specials, some of which aren't even street legal in the US. You sure got me, brah, especially when that wasn't the question I was asking. And obviously you didn't read the article in Evo where the Enzo set that Norschleife laptime with Marc Basseng at the wheel, a known 'ring specialist, commenting on how unstable the car was at high speeds because of it. Dampers were just fine, eh?
@PukaMan The US is not the center of the world, so being street legal here means JACK.
Besides, i know some of those cars you're speaking of and its funny their ARE TAGGED AND STREET DRIVEN examples just like that here on the road, and everywhere for that matter, so try again.
And of course, they are faster, which is the real argument anyway.
Driving a 60 treadwear tire daily will result in tires every 3weeks to a month, and at $2-3000 a set, the ACR is also not very streetable.
@mr2ya No, Being street legal here means I can drive it on the street, here, which is pretty important if you wanna drive it in the US. Pretty sound logic, I would say. I'm not in Great Britain so why the fuck should I care if it's street legal there? I don't recall saying that all the cars were not street legal, but the Fxx, 599xx, and the radicals are not street legal in the US, I know that.
@PukaMan Thats funny, Radicals have been tagged here in the states, and like i said, you'll need the money and a little convincing to take your Fxx or 599xx home, but it could be done.
And you said Kit car earlier, talking about the Ultima i guess which can be built as a kit or a turn key with a title and serial number meaning it is a production car.
@mr2ya Oh, so now you're saying "But they could be maaaade street legal!" That's a good point to make when talking about stock vehicles, especially considering that same argument could apply to a lot of other cars that are considered not street legal.
@PukaMan when all you need to do is change the tires, its not a life altering decision. and considering only TWO!!!! of the cars on that LONG LIST weren't street legal, i'll take your point, BUT!!! all the others are, so you lose.
@mr2ya I mean seriously, if being street legal in the US was not important to someone who lived there, then why bother with something that's street legal at all? It only makes sense if you're an armchair racer, which I'm not. You could buy a Porsche 962, 935, Lancia LC-2, or a Greenwood Corvette, from Canepa Design. Just an example of what I'd do if street legality wasn't an issue.
@PukaMan As i pass you, and you lose, we'll see if the crowd or me listens to you when you say, "But mines stock and street legal" they'll laugh you off of the track and you know it.
Only 2 of those cars were't legal anyway, and im sure with treaded tires and little money to convince Ferrari to give you the car you paid for, that would all be solved.
@mr2ya Laughed at, eh? In what series do they race street legal cars with non-street legal? Funny how you were doing your best to list out cars that are only street legal in select areas (As opposed to everywhere with the cars I listed), and now you're turning around and attacking the idea of a car being street legal by comparing it to track-only cars. Class act, brah.
@PukaMan LOL! funny how cars you think aren't street legal are TAGGED AND DRIVEN HERE IN THE STATES, LOL!
whats really funny is how you want your track day car to be road legal and think thats the only thing matters, who would really care, you cant show what the car can do on normal roads anyway so whats the point, especially when you lose on the track.
ROFL! again, only two of those cars weren't road legal because of tires, So...
@PukaMan ROFL! You stupid TWAT! the tires are the main and only real thing keeping it non legal and why you KEEP harping on the same 2 cars is beyond me.
@mr2ya Yeah it's the tires, not the catalyitic converter or lack safety equipment, or suspension that allows them to go over bumps. That's just some of the stuff Edo did with the FXX. But naw man, naw, it's gotta mainly be the tires, LOL!!!
@PukaMan You can pass emissions with NO cats easily, road cars aren't required to have airbags and im sure a 6point or whatever harness is plenty adequate.
Coilovers are adjustable in order to go drive on the streets and go over speed bumps.
And yes, it IS MAINLY the tires, love the list of things that didn't matter and you still acted like you were right, ROFL!@ YOU!
@PukaMan You do realize road cars dont need air bags and crash tests right?
You do realize that how the ACR was setup for these laps at any track it would have a hard time clearing speed bumps and give you back problems driving on the road right? (thats one reason why coilovers are awesome, full adjustability is cool) you do realize with ecu's today you can get nearly any car to pass emissions with no cats right?
You do realize someone who builds frames should have known all that RIGHT?
@mr2ya Because building a tube-frame chassis for a go-kart with a motorcycle engine has everything to do with what you mentioned concerning emissions and clearing speedbumpst, yes? And for the record, the car we designed even had to meet certain crash requirements.
@PukaMan Like you and EVERY other DOPE on this website, you are honestly the DUMBEST group of assholes i have ever seen.
weather its, How much an Ls1 weighs, what cars ACTUALLY hold any records, whats the difference in the SAME PARTs, who has a stronger transmission, what the REAL LIFE limits of the LS1 are, why a smaller lighter engine is better for a sportscar, who sells cars and who dont, its all the STUPIDEST arguments i have EVER seen and the answer is always COMMON KNOWLEDGE!
which makes me wonder how in the world any of this could ever be an argument or why i ever argue with such complete IDIOTS, or how they even exist.
Facts are facts, they never change, no spin can change them, it is how it is.
Learn to live with it and stop arguing stuff thats been proven, its all been proven, their are no arguments against facts, stop trying, its fact, leave it be.
Copying what Viper owners had already done is not new, fresh, original, or special.
now 497lbs etc. is light for for such a large displacement engine but An aluminum 302 is smaller and lighter, 347's have made a shit load of power, so its obvious its not the best.
Basically any and every lie has been said in one way or another and i've had it up to here, cant stand'em, dont like'em, dont like'em, especially dont like the FANBOYS and their funny crusades.
@PukaMan G8 eww...?? really? one of the only 2 passable, decent cars that Gm, oops, that GM had a part of making in 30-40yrs and you say Eww..? no wonder im arguing with your blind retarded ass, you have no taste, you're full of shit, and everything is backwards to you in weirdo backwards land.
@mr2ya I just don't find the appearence of the G8 attractive at all. It looks like someone took a chisel to an enlarged pontiac grand prix bodystyle and kept the gaudy hood scoops out of spite. Not to mention the fact that it's an absolute porker. If I needed a performance sedan, I'd go for something out of BMW's or Audi's lineup.
@PukaMan Really? one of ONLY 2 attractive cars GM has made in 30-40yrs, the GTO being the other obviously, and you dont like it? You have no class and you like ugly.
Oh yeah, the Solstice Convertible is not bad but the coupe is horrid so thats sort of 3.
AND NO SHIT! i'd take a bimmer or Audi over it BUT retail was 19K last year and im sure i could find one rather cheap now.
With the right rims, lowered, maybe a front lip or something and its Clean as hell.
@mr2ya Truth be told the only car I'd buy from GM would be the Corvette. I didn't like the GTO, I don't like the G8, and I'm not a fan of the Camaro either. All are too heavy in my opinion, and the tires in the rear aren't wide enough.
@PukaMan The real argument is NO argument, Dodge bolted on general, non specific, after market style parts that owners of Vipers and other cars have always used, then called it new, which it WAS NOT to anyone thats been around cars for a while. even Viper owners have said, its nothing special, its my car with track parts i can buy cheaper than Dodge wants to sell them to me for, So whats the point?
@PukaMan You're acting as if the TWO!!! cars that weren't road legal, because of the TIRES, were one off, track only nothing to do with the production car, track cars, they are not, they ARE production cars with track goodies bolted to them, sounds familiar, Sounds EXACTLY like the ACR, LOL!!!
Note: only 2 out of 10 or so were not road legal, so you lose on trying to harp on only those.
@PukaMan Yes, you will be laughed off the TRACK!!!! if you lose and your excuse is "mines road legal" people will say "take your slow ass back to road then", and laugh.
And remember, you can drive the cars i listed EVERYWHERE also, So you still lose despite every retarded angle you tried.
A Civic built with $15k still all motor, and used adjustable track goodies EXACTLY like on the ACR viper, MATCHED the ACR's time at buttonwillow, so obviously the ACR is nothing new or special.
@mr2ya Sorry, but I'm still of the stance that what Dodge did with the Viper is impressive for a large-scale manufacturer. The fact that a car like that got approved for production makes me think that someone in that company actually does have a passion for performance, which I find to be lacking in the majority of the domestic cars available, so that's why I like it.
@mr2ya Typically when you're on the track, you're on the track with other cars of similar class. You still haven't listed a series involving both street legal and track-only cars, so that seems like a moot point.
Much like the Mr2, big deal about a fast Civic. Putting money into just about anything can make it fast. Hence why comparing modified cars to stock is retarded to begin with. No wonder you get laughed at so much.
@PukaMan ROFL! YA MORON! TRACK DAY CARS ARE TRACK DAY CARS, STFU!
ONLY 2 OUT OF 10 WERE NOT STREET LEGAL! STOP HARPING ON THE ONLY 2!
ROFL! WHEN THE CAR USES A N/A 2.4 LITER AND THE 8.4 LITER STRUGGLES TO KEEP UP AND THE TRACK PARTS WERE ALL THE SAME IT DOESN"T MATTER IF IT WERE STOCK OR NOT!!
THE SAME PARTS ARE THE SAME PARTS!!!!! IT DOESN"T MATTER WHO BOLTS THEM ON!
HENCE THE VIPER IS A POS THAT IS TECHNICALLY SLOW IF A MODDED CIVIC CAN KEEP UP, DUH!!!! DUMBASS!!!
@PukaMan I hope you're joking about Ferrari not being in endurance races.
And you said the Coilovers and wing are different on the ACR than other cars because Dodge bolted them on, if an individual bolts them on a car it's now unfair and not the same part.
You definitely rule at not knowing shit then back peddling as if you didn't know what i meant. HAHAHA. Poor kid.
@mr2ya I already explained what I considered to be significant about Dodge making the ACR, and I don't recall it involving mechanical differences between what owners do and what the manufacturer does.
And I hope you're not joking about Ferrari not being in endurance racing, especially with their extensive history in endurance racing.
@mr2ya whatever, this particular argument is retarded. You don't seem to understand the kind of politics that a car like this would have to go through to even be taken into consideration for production, and it makes me think that someone in Didge really gives a damn about real performance. Blah blah blah, I stick by my stance, you stick with yours. Whatever.
@PukaMan Its not like we're talking massively modded 1500whp Skylines to the Acr its cars that are within its power range and have the right aero and tires on them.
@PukaMan Because it went through crash tests that ROAD CARS AREN'T REQUIRED TO. making them perfectly legal and faster.
So adjustable coilovers are now different if a Major manufacturer bolts them on, they now can only be adjusted to clear speed bumps on cars that are built by Dodge and NO OTHER BRANDS, thats a fantastic conclusion. 1
@mr2ya Good lord, how thick are you? I just stated my freakin' stance on why I think it's significant that Dodge made this car, and did you really just miss the goddam point for why I though this made it special? Did I make any mention about the parts they added on to it, or the actual construction? Sweet jesus...
@PukaMan The construction of the Acr is not new or special, its a Dodge Viper that they added adjustable coilovers, aero and wings etc to, that owners had already used getting the same results. NO ENGINEERING or designing went into adding these parts.
@mr2ya Then you obviously didn't read much into it, considering the extensive wind-tunnel testing they did on the car. Yup, they just bolted the parts on there and said "yerp lets sell this thar car." Come on, don't be stupid.
@PukaMan Stop being foolish, they tested in the wind tunnel to get the best settings, the parts are general, tuner adjustable, track parts, nothing NEW or SPECIAL, no matter what you think.
People with older Vipers have already used them with the same results, WITH NO WIND TUNNEL!! copying what Viper owners have already done CANT BE NEW OR SPECIAL OR INNOVATIVE, ITS DOING WHATS ALREADY BEEN DONE!!!
@mr2ya No, you're saying that I'm saying it's a different part. Frankly I don't care anymore. This argument is going nowhere. I'm gonna do what you can't do since you're obviously an internet tough guy with plenty of spare time on your hands. I'm just gonna stop responding. Enjoy your arguing on teh intarwebs. I've got better things to do.
@PukaMan LMAO! the Civic was bought and built for ONLY $15000 including the car, it doesn't like it needed much, ROFL!
And of course it USED the EXACT same parts, coilovers, splitters and canards for front down force, and a wing for rear down force, along with treaded soft compound tires, ALL THE SAME PARTS AS THE VIPER!!! meaning the Viper is a WASTE like always.
laughed at? ROFL! its the other way around, i laugh at moronic YOUTUBERS that dont think of things in a realistic manor.
@PukaMan And why would anybody laugh at me, are they laughing because im always right? thats on them for being so GD dumb, i got nothing to do with that.
@PukaMan Street legal, treaded tire, modded NSX matched the ACRX's time at Laguna Seca and the ACRX is not road legal and on slicks, and you still lose, So....
In other words, a slow car with track parts is a faster car, but a fast car with track parts is even faster, plain and simple, and you have not ONE argument against that or any thing else talked about here, so stop your whinning.
Do not comment back because no matter your reply it will not change any of this.
@mr2ya I don't really see what's funny about more people buying the Enzo. It's a great car. I've purposely gone to the local Ferrari dealer just to take pictures of one when it was there for maintenance. Doesn't hurt my feelings at all.
@PukaMan LOL! its funny because you say the ACR is faster and cheaper yet NO ONE has a problem buying the Enzo for $1mil+, in fact all 399 were sold.
They cant even sell 400 ZR1's.
so what does that tell you about the cars you're cheer leading for? Their crap that people just dont care about and dont want no matter what they CLAIM.
@mr2ya Who said I was cheering for them? I like damn near any performance car under the sun just about. You're the one who seems to have a huge bias against anything associated with domestic automobiles. I like the ZR1, I like the ACR, I like Porsches (more than just about any other car) and Euros, I like Jap Imports, etc. etc. I mean, I don't get it, ar you trying to make me feel bad about automotive sales? Who cares?
@mr2ya If it was just just the knob, like you say, then how come the problem kept coming up during the middle of hotlapping? Sounds more like a problem with the actual dampers to me.
@mr2ya Yeah and they said nothing about that in the article. I know for a fact because it's one of the few times I've purchased an issue of Evo magazine, so where did you hear it from?
@PukaMan Where they say "the controller was broke and unable to adjust the Shocks" besides the Mc12 is nearly the SAME car and it only ran slightly faster with car being A ok So.... if the guy owned the cars they would have went faster.
wrecking a Dodge, Gtr, Zr1 when you work for the company is NO BIG DEAL, wrecking a one of only 400 built 1.whatever million dollar car is different.
@mr2ya They wrecked the Koenigsegg during the test, so I doubt they were using much restraint. The whole purpose of the test was "to break records" after all.
@PukaMan Ehh, no, it was to show they were in the ball game, if the guy owned the car it would have went faster.
Replacing an irreplaceable car is hard to do and would surly have been on the drivers mind.
And of course you can wreck going to the store without driving fast so that made NO difference. Hmmm, im sensing a common theme with EVERY comment you make. LOL!!!!!
@mr2ya Yeah which is why they improved on the Zonda's factory-claimed laptime by over 3 seconds. I guess worrying about crashing someone's car just has that effect on professional drivers, HAHAHA!!!
@mr2ya Except it wasn't the mag editors driving. It was professional driver Marc Basseng, a known 'Ring expert. Feel free to look up the times and the listed driver for the cars. Simple as that. Obvious facts are obvious.
Not to mention you're definitely drinking the kool-aid if you think a base model unmodified 911 is going to keep up with an M Roadster. Especially in the turns. Have fun dreaming champ. Get a Porsche that matters.
Furthermore, the ZR1 beats the GT2 while using street tires that will last over 20,000 miles before replacing. The GT2's gumball tires will be lucky if they last 5,000 miles. Just another example of how Porsche engineers engineer their way around the problem of rear-engined design. Put sticky tires on so the car can turn without oversteering through every turn. It's still a great car though.
An update: GM just posted the video of the ZR1's lap. Watch as it beats the Porsche GT2's laptime ;). But concerning Steffan Bellof's laptime, that's a different story haha, but really no surprise there. Group C ftw.
listen you shel8777 fuckface first of all is not bugahtti is bugatti, top speed is 256 instead of 215 and what the fuck you drive cause i got a black c6 z06 with corsa exhaust headers r2.5 cams and toyo super slick tires. i hit 0-60 in 3.4 second and cant wait to smoke the shit out of you so either man up and race me or shut the fuck up and leave other people alone bitch.
You have got to be the most ignorant D-Bag on Youtube to date. 2.7 Million for 1001hp!? Get the fuck out of here. The ZR1 runs almsot 30sec faster around the ring than that POS. Learn some shit.
haha ur sucha pompus asshole, well lets see then 1 whats ur fav car 2 tell me why the ls7 and ls9 and the lsx crate are not the pinacle of pushrod engine design and o yeah those motors make better power to weight than your car and so does the vette in general and ask any drag racer if they like the ls series and how dependable they are youll get put in ur place 3. the vette has better weight distrobution than your car and will take a corner faster than ur ass heavy porsche
Are you Brain dead fuckface? Can you read? Check out ANY car magazine Or publication, about vette vs Porsche, and you will lose hands down. Who rules the Autoban? At least i'm comeing from facts, your just talking out of the side of your asshole. Asshole.
4. your driving a car that brakes down much more often and have fun with modifications to your vw designed electronics 5. i like porsches 2 but u obviously dont know shit bout cars i can tell ive had more time under the hood than u if u wanna brag about design and performance buy a 959 or a gt asshole 6. o yeah tell me the technique you use to recover your car from oversteer mr porsche if your design is so fantastic
you talked too much... everyone drivfing an AUDI expected something better.
feadgbrazil 6 months ago
Just 3 seconds for a plastic body , no back seats and lot more HP not impresive to me .
SaveNurburgring 7 months ago
derek d FTL
caliizaktiv 10 months ago
and they never did post the video as a vette will always be just a over powered gokart with a bodykit tht isnt worth a shit except in a straight line and its not amazing doing tht!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!PERIOD
gizamer 11 months ago
i dont see the fucking nurburgring and i dont see a race????
walliwabbel 1 year ago
5:55 TIMMAY!!!!
krazyhartin 1 year ago
i dont like fast lane daily! they advertise a car like the audi s4 then you have to wait 6 mins to find a small clip of the car which is rubbish!
t53aod 1 year ago 2
.......really..........????
johngrimezy 1 year ago
roll that thiggity theme song!
zetag055 1 year ago
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mr2ya 1 year ago
Bolting on Aftermarket parts and calling it a new car is pointless, its not new, its the old car with aftermarket parts.
And how can Viper owners agree with me but you dont? that means FUCK YOU! im right.
You lose, like every other POS on this lame ass website full of contradicting, MORONIC, foolish, asshats.
mr2ya 1 year ago
everyone here that talks up the Zr1 is a FUCKING MORON who lies, cheats, and bs's their way to the moon, get over yourselves and the POS Zr1, that doesn't get sold because people think its stupid and a POS and would never purchase a corvette for over $100k or anywhere near $100k.
mr2ya 1 year ago
This guy is superdouche
eatspaste 1 year ago 2
Fucking gay channel :(
Weber45142 2 years ago
sloppy sucking hoe.
SCHIZOPHRENlC 2 years ago
that last plate was funny lol eat the kids first..
VagueSaint 2 years ago
haha that "wtf" 5 series is in latvia ive seen it here
mazinais31 2 years ago
fuck, this guy's so annoying / gay.
xJayFitz 2 years ago
It depends where you live, humor or humour USA or UK...so what no big deal
9995872 2 years ago
Arts and communication? Is that painting and decorating?
It's spelt "humour" not "humor". That irritates me too.
Energonorama 2 years ago
If anyone's ever played Burnout 3: Takedown, I'm pretty sure this guy is Crash FM =D
Black217 3 years ago
Do you remember me? MSG me on M.S.N.
add me as a friend on M.S.N Fn
cardflipper0101 3 years ago
The only way he could look gayer would be if he had a massive black man hanging out the back of his arse.
OCquattro 3 years ago
tool.
ZXEN1 3 years ago
lol what a cock :P
yfzi 3 years ago
he is such a homo
cDknc89 3 years ago 5
Who is this dumbass?
seanaudi13 3 years ago
so please man gimmie some facts so i can shut u down and get u off ur high horse
crazybannon 3 years ago
who wants a datsun
colonalblink 3 years ago
i do! i do! - does it have a ferrari engine???
me2ontube 3 years ago
actually, it's only 2.4 sec faster than the GT-R .. not 3 sec.
KuroNoNeige 3 years ago
I wanna see Dodge take their Viper ACR to the Nordschleife. It would most likely clean house.
PukaMan 3 years ago
Hmm and where are all the Viper lovers that say the Dodge is faster on the track? pFFFFFTttttt
powerlifter501 3 years ago
koukicrisp you're such a fucking faggot. i think most people get your point about what you are trying to say, but what is the point of calling other people assholes, dumbasses or dumb fucks? base your criticism on hard facts, not on other people's ignorance.
dwcboy100 3 years ago
wow, look at the pot calling the kettle black. What a douche.
koukicrisp 3 years ago
ZR1 will come out with more power and other improvements, just as in the past. Having said all that, credit is due for the ATESSA AWD. Its the cutting edge, and the GTR's main advantage. Too bad it just ain't enough to beat the WINNER, the MIGHTY ZR1! :) Console yourself with talk of high technology, as you watch the ZR1's taillights leaving you behind.
kickinbackinOC 3 years ago
A ZR1 won't beat a GT2 Porsche. It maybe just as fast--And as far as price, The zr1 is 175,000 On the internet, 200 grand at the dealer, if you can get one. ALL 3,000 ZR1's HAVE BEEN SOLD. Not to mention the Gas Guzzler tax, of 7,000..Too bad doushebag, Shithead GM lovers...
shel8777 3 years ago
its got a $103,000 price tag shithead and it would eat a gt2 for dinner. GM RULEZ!!!!!!
OGMASSA 3 years ago
Just try to get one for 103, grand BECAUSE YOU WON'T and it won't Destroy a GT2 You deluded, inbred, redneck, faggot! That enough curse words for ya? Porsche is the Benchmark not your piece of shit, pushrod low resale value, vette!
shel8777 3 years ago
ha ha the awesome zr1 has ruffled another ricerfags panties.
304teddy 3 years ago
The GT2 isn't rice doushebag, its GERMAN like Nurburing, hail the fatherland you Heinz 57.
shel8777 3 years ago
which is why i called you aricerfag
304teddy 3 years ago
didnt you die of syphilis ending WWII.
304teddy 3 years ago
ok then spend 85,000 on an after market ZO6 and watch it run laps around anything germany has to offer for that price or any where near that price. dont write back to this because i'll just have to wast more time telling you the VETTE is the BEST CAR ON EARTH AND GM RULEZ!!!!!!!!!!!!
OGMASSA 3 years ago
GM rules what? A shit 4% market value? Haveing thier ass kicked by Toyota? Because Toyota can BUILD a car to last more than 2 years? GET A LIFE, AND READ KELLY BLUE BOOK. Porsche is the benchmark, Ferrari, Lamborghini- So i guess if you had 20 million in the bank, you would be happy with a piece of shit ZR1 Right? NO LAMBO, NO FERRARI Just GM Right? Go ahead and lie about that GM is SHIT.. And so are you.. You deluded fool..
shel8777 3 years ago
youhave no right calling ANYONE a "doluted fool". gm and toyota have went back and forth as of late foe most vehicles sold. toyota still profitted more even with lower sales-the reason is the average wage while toyota still uses slave labor
304teddy 3 years ago
gm rules the nurburgring. put that in your pipe and smoke it.
304teddy 3 years ago
No, Radical does.
Energonorama 2 years ago
? i would rather put sum weed in there and smoke it... yea deffinatly =]
OMFGpl 2 years ago
umm I think the time they posted on the Nordschleife shows that the ZR1 can beat the GT2. Just putting 2 and 2 together here.
PukaMan 3 years ago
How about in quality? Porsche has been kicking American ass for DECADES... And you KNOW GM's responce to quality is to add more Horsepower.. You really think Porsche is gonna stay beat by that POS? spy the 2010 GT2
with over 610 hp Then we will see.. 2+2= TU SHAY.
shel8777 3 years ago
Wow so you're comparing the ZR1 to the next generation of Porsche. I mean, really that statement only does justice to how good of a performer the ZR1 really is if you're having to compare it to future Porsche models. You really wanna hate this car don't you?
PukaMan 3 years ago
No, I want YOU to wake the fuck up, and really stop talking SHIT about cars (ie Porsche, Ferrari) that you KNOW would be in your garage,(IF YOU HAD BIG MONEY) next to your GM POS. And sorry, Vette will never be the benchmark for supercars. They are Daily drivers, for bald headed fat maggots who can't get pussy. And you know it. there is no mystic in a fucking vette. A Porsche or Ferrari Kicks your ass going 195, 200, 30Mph Or zero. Get it? Sorry Pal. Thank you.
shel8777 3 years ago
lol looks like I struck a nerve. Anywho, thanks for branding me as a GM fan, but frankly I love pretty much any car that can be considered high performance. My particular favorite is a certain 5.0L flat-12 Porsche actually. But feel free to stop being biased about some cars, because you miss out if you do. And regardless of what you think, that bald fat maggot car is still a phenomenal performer. live with it, and just be happy that eventually some other car will surpass it and so on so forth.
PukaMan 3 years ago
No nerve struck, owning a 2002 911 and a Boxter S (WHICH SUIT ME FINE NO MODS) If feel it necessary sometimes to inform some people how America sold YOU (and me) Down the river. Because you KNOW if a Vette was built like a Toyota, Or Porsche? It would be about 200k to start with.
shel8777 3 years ago
wait so is this turning into an argument over reliability now?
PukaMan 3 years ago
Uhh... Do you think for a moment, that if vette were just as good as toyota there would be a problem? Do you think that Germany Or Japan would even be in this country selling cars? NO. SO WAKE UP. We think not. And by the way Vette ISN'T top dog when it comes to speed. I thought we established that? You must be falling into that pushrod POS Fantasy again.
shel8777 3 years ago
Well yeah it's top speed is only 205, but it's average speed around the Nurburgring is greater than that of the Zonda F Clubsport and the Carrera GT. Not to mention the corvette was cited as being the most satisfying in reliability in the sports car catagory. And please stop saying wake up, just because I'm defending the corvette (not GM). Furthermore, pushrods engines have their advantages and disadvantages, just like any other design. Didn't I already recommend that you stop being so biased?
PukaMan 3 years ago
You just don't get it do you? Just because a company or person adds more horsepower to a car, doesen't mean that it has BEEN or IS the LEADER (ie PORSCHE AND THE LIKE) In records , class, nor heritage or fame. Its going to take more than the NEW Z06 Or ZR1 To top decades, of WINNING! And pushrod technology is so old its no wonder FORD, sucks Or any car company still uses that technology. Honda rules, withour pushrods, why can't GM. Opps sorry, your precious vette?
shel8777 3 years ago
You do know that pushrod and dohc valvetrains like those in Honduhs are roughly equal in age, right? Both designs originated in the early 1900s. Anywho, as I said before, each has its advantages and disadvantages. And you're right, it's not just adding horsepower, but the corvette ZR! did beat the GT2's laptime. Facts are facts, get over it and go drive your fake porsche (that's what the 911 drivers call it, right?).
PukaMan 3 years ago
And once again, get off on the whole "precious vette" comment thing. I actually prefer Porsche over any other auto group, and I love the GT2, but at least I'm not too stubborn to admit when another car beats the GT2 on the track. Why not give the Zonda F CS flak about beating the GT2? You know why? Because you can probably handle the idea of the GT2 being beaten by a Pagani. You just can't handle it when an American car turns out to be good for once.
PukaMan 3 years ago
After fucking over the entire NATION, by makeing and selling, worthless Pieces of shit to the American public, with people who can't afford thier homes, and have to buy SHIT GM cars and they are upsidedown, in thier payments, because GM cars are worthless from the factory, NO I can't handle what you seem to love, a car company that believe's in FUCKING the economy... NO.. I don't.
shel8777 3 years ago
How does liking one car equate to liking an entire car company? Do you not listen to anything I say?
PukaMan 3 years ago
I attack any arrogant asshole that defends shit. (ie vette) ie you.
shel8777 3 years ago
If you wanna impress me, get a Porsche worth caring about dumbass. Any soccer mom out there has the two Porsches you own. Be a man and get something good. If you haven't driven a Z06 or a 911 turbo, then fuck off, because I've gotten to test drive both along with an SLR McLaren, a Gallardo Superleggera, and an F430 when I signed up for the World Class Driving experience. Maybe you should do the same and gain some knowledge in the process, moron.
PukaMan 3 years ago
MMM... I must have got under your skin...
shel8777 3 years ago
And all it took was idiocy. Congratulations.
PukaMan 3 years ago
Your not as intelligent as you think Fuckface-
stop defending, POS because they have a lot of horsepower, Supercars are MORE than just HP, asshole, I thought you knew that? They are more than a straight line-class, heritage, everything that GM's POS ZR1 will NEVER have. How about I defend a Bugahtti? 1001 Hp 215 Top speed? 2.7 Million? You'd still make a case for the ZR1. I'm done talking to you, if i ever see you in your Z roadster, I'll smoke you... Bye....
shel8777 3 years ago
umm actually bugatti does not have any herritage its just a name vw slapped on a new line of cars to make more $ cus bugatti folded a long time ago and etorre bugatti founded his company in france not germany... but hey ur retarted so ill let it slide, well if you know so much about cars im sure u could build a chassis and body from scratch huh? o u cant ahh sorry to hear that well i can so i guess id like to see you smoke me in a car that u cant even drie
crazybannon 3 years ago 2
it really is just a shame that they give ppl as blunt as you that much money, so just back out of the argument like u are trying to do and be wrong somewhere else
crazybannon 3 years ago
Are you just pant-on-head retarded? You don't achieve a 7:26 by being a straight line car. Also it's not just HP, it's also the Magnetorheological shocks (same company who makes them for the ferrari 599), gigantic carbon ceramic brakes, and also the large front splitter and rear lip spoiler , and also the switch to Michelin PS2s instead of runflats that helps out. As for the Bugatti, get your facts straight. It's 253 mph and 5 million to make one. Sold at $1.2 million.
PukaMan 3 years ago
@PukaMan Yeah, you cheat, lie and mod your way to it.
Stock Zr1 did 7:38
mr2ya 1 year ago
@mr2ya Proof? Not that I care, really. Lost interest in this argument a long time ago.
PukaMan 1 year ago
@PukaMan Of what?
mr2ya 1 year ago
@mr2ya I dunno
PukaMan 1 year ago
@PukaMan GM had to admit the Ctsv that did the ring lap was not a production model as they first claimed, it was also not stock, even if it were the Audi always had a faster time, so why if they cheated there would they not cheat everywhere else?
Then people felt the need to post fake lap times for the Zr1, the 7:22 never happened.
Then Porsche claims the GTR runs 7:50's so everyone jumps on them and says they cheated.
All the while an independent tested both GTR and Zr1 and they ran 7:38's.
mr2ya 1 year ago
@PukaMan Yes, the independent driver posted a 7:38 in both Zr1 and GTR, both completely stock and both inspected to make sure of that.
Nissan Shaved the tires and mounted lighter rims to the GTR, gave the test driver plenty of time to turn the fastest lap possible.
What did GM do to drop the time? Keep in mind they claimed 7:40's for a long time on the Zr1 and poof, it runs 7:26, is it Magic?
mr2ya 1 year ago
@PukaMan one more thing. The driver for 0-60 who did all these laps for the Enzo, the Mc12, Zr1, GTR etc. didn't own any of these cars, and wrecking a GTR or a Zr1 is not as big of a deal as wrecking an Enzo or something equel, So the Enzo etc. likely would have ran faster if he really wanted to push the limit.
In other words, going around claiming the ACR's victory, when its not the fastest car and it needed to use adjustable, track parts to even get that time is kinda stupid.
mr2ya 1 year ago
@mr2ya Jesus christ, man, you're whining about comments I made over a year ago. Things have changed, and faster cars have been made. Furthermore, you can't blame them for using the adjustable aero-bits and suspension on the ACR, when that's what comes on the car straight from the factory. It's not like they said "Hey lets put this stuff on the Viper so it can kick ass on the Nordschleife." The car comes that way. Not taking advantage of a car's attributes would be just plain stupid.
PukaMan 1 year ago
@PukaMan whining!? whos whining? only the facts is not whining, when will people like you learn that?
The point is, in REAL LIFE, its not actually faster,and GM never had ANY record ever.
GET OVER IT!
The Point is, people talk about the ACR as if it were some freak of nature, "look how fast it is!", whoppty GODDAMN DO! people bolted those parts on their on Vipers LONG before any ACR and got the same results, with no "holy shit" "its the awesomest car in the world". So fuck that.
mr2ya 1 year ago
@mr2ya Wow so you're basing how fast a car is by it's laptime on one track. That's very empirical of you. And yeah, the ACR could be considered a freak of nature. Can you name another large-scale automobile manufacturer who's made a car as track oriented as it?
PukaMan 1 year ago
@PukaMan ROFL! im not doing that at all, thats your crowds thing, LOL@ you bitching about yourself.
its stupid to base a cars worth on a track that's clearly more defined by the Driver than the car itself, You noob.
Sure, any and every car thats always been faster.
Everybody who's ever bolted these parts on and Ferrari, lambo, Viper, Corvette, Skyline, Supra, Evo, Sti, and evan a CIVIC hatchback!!! Etc.
Its not new, its not special, its never been special, only noobs like you think it is.
mr2ya 1 year ago
@PukaMan if you really think its new or special, you need to learn more about cars or just leave the car stuff to car people.
mr2ya 1 year ago
@mr2ya You seem really pompous, and you sure did a good job of avoiding my question. So I guess you couldn't find a car from a large volume automobile manufacturer that comes like this from the factory, with a warranty? I know you can do this shit to cars yourself, but that wasn't the question. I've built a tube-frame chassis from scratch for Formula SAE, but that doesn't mean I'm running around saying "Haw you fags and your pre-made vehicles, try building a car from scratch, noobs!"
PukaMan 1 year ago
@PukaMan LOL! Avoiding? how? i rattled off a number of manufacturers who have FACTORY cars built like this THAT ARE FASTER, and a number of cars that have been done by the owners, who bolts the parts on is irrelevant as long as they are the same parts.
Saying its a new found thing that Dodge bolted on adjustable parts to a Viper is only something a uninformed NOOB (you) would say or think.
BTW, track day cars dont have warranties.
mr2ya 1 year ago
@mr2ya When did I say that bolting on racing parts was a newfound thing? That's not what's special about it. What's special about is that a large-scale car manufacturer is doing this straight from the dealer, and it DOES come with a full factory warranty, moron. Goddam. And what other factory cars come out like this from any of the major car companies? The only other I can think of that comes close to this kind of adjustability in a streetcar from the factory is the Porsche GT3 RS.
PukaMan 1 year ago
@PukaMan Copying what owners have already done is not special, no matter the retarded twist you try and put on it.
Good luck breaking something at the track and getting it warranty'd, MORON!
Fxx, 599xx, Any race version of any car sold, the Gemballa Porsche, the Fully loaded Bmw, The radical, the V8 atom, Ultima Gtr, Gumpart, Askari A10, Zonda R, CCXR, Rieger Gallardo, any Mosler, V8 Caterham.
Any car that the owner says stock sucks and these parts are better.
mr2ya 1 year ago
@mr2ya That's great, you listed a bunch of cars that are either not street legal, tuners, or they aren't even from mainstream car companies and often considered kit cars. Quite the dodgey bastard aren't you? Also, you forgot the Caparo T1. You may also want to read from a Porsche or Corvette owner's manual and see what they say about tracking your car. You'd be surprised.
PukaMan 1 year ago
@PukaMan LOL! their mostly all street legal, mostly all production cars, and out sell the ACR, so their not exactly small companies.
LIKE I ALREADY SAID!!!! GOOD LUCK GETTING A TRACKDAY CAR WARRANTIED!!!
And yes, driving at high speeds with the Dampers on the wrong setting might not handle so good, the Suspension itself did not break. the knob broke... eh? and it still put down an amazing time despite that. LOL!
mr2ya 1 year ago
@PukaMan regardless of what you say, Dodge doing to a Viper what owners have already done, (FOR YEARS!) is not new or special.
You're giving Dodge credit for things that have already been done and claiming it to be new.
Plus, most of those parts seem to be universal unlike the Enzo etc. which incorporates its Aero into the body and design of the car, not just hanging a wing, coilovers and splitters on it.
mr2ya 1 year ago
@mr2ya I'm giving Dodge credit for selling what is basically a street-legal race car striaght from the factory. The last Enzo I saw was 1.6 million because the owner has put only 600 miles on it. Funny you have to dig into that bag when comparing it to a $90,000+ car. I think it would be a good runner against an ACR as long as the electronic dampers don't give out.
PukaMan 1 year ago
@PukaMan You're giving Dodge credit for what other have already done, thats stupid and noobish for a person that supposedly build frames and knows what he's talking about.
Didn't dig hard at all, tons of cars are faster than the ACR, the Ultima is, and its cheaper, So...
And yeah, those pesky knobs do tend to break when you turn them too hard, other than that the Enzo's electronic dampers are just fine.
Do you find it funny that more people bought a 1.6 million $ car than a $90k Viper? LOL!
mr2ya 1 year ago
@mr2ya Yeah you looked up a bunch of small companies which exclusively build trackday specials, some of which aren't even street legal in the US. You sure got me, brah, especially when that wasn't the question I was asking. And obviously you didn't read the article in Evo where the Enzo set that Norschleife laptime with Marc Basseng at the wheel, a known 'ring specialist, commenting on how unstable the car was at high speeds because of it. Dampers were just fine, eh?
PukaMan 1 year ago
@PukaMan The US is not the center of the world, so being street legal here means JACK.
Besides, i know some of those cars you're speaking of and its funny their ARE TAGGED AND STREET DRIVEN examples just like that here on the road, and everywhere for that matter, so try again.
And of course, they are faster, which is the real argument anyway.
Driving a 60 treadwear tire daily will result in tires every 3weeks to a month, and at $2-3000 a set, the ACR is also not very streetable.
mr2ya 1 year ago
@mr2ya No, Being street legal here means I can drive it on the street, here, which is pretty important if you wanna drive it in the US. Pretty sound logic, I would say. I'm not in Great Britain so why the fuck should I care if it's street legal there? I don't recall saying that all the cars were not street legal, but the Fxx, 599xx, and the radicals are not street legal in the US, I know that.
PukaMan 1 year ago
@PukaMan Thats funny, Radicals have been tagged here in the states, and like i said, you'll need the money and a little convincing to take your Fxx or 599xx home, but it could be done.
And you said Kit car earlier, talking about the Ultima i guess which can be built as a kit or a turn key with a title and serial number meaning it is a production car.
mr2ya 1 year ago
@mr2ya Oh, so now you're saying "But they could be maaaade street legal!" That's a good point to make when talking about stock vehicles, especially considering that same argument could apply to a lot of other cars that are considered not street legal.
PukaMan 1 year ago
@PukaMan when all you need to do is change the tires, its not a life altering decision. and considering only TWO!!!! of the cars on that LONG LIST weren't street legal, i'll take your point, BUT!!! all the others are, so you lose.
mr2ya 1 year ago
@mr2ya I mean seriously, if being street legal in the US was not important to someone who lived there, then why bother with something that's street legal at all? It only makes sense if you're an armchair racer, which I'm not. You could buy a Porsche 962, 935, Lancia LC-2, or a Greenwood Corvette, from Canepa Design. Just an example of what I'd do if street legality wasn't an issue.
PukaMan 1 year ago
@PukaMan As i pass you, and you lose, we'll see if the crowd or me listens to you when you say, "But mines stock and street legal" they'll laugh you off of the track and you know it.
Only 2 of those cars were't legal anyway, and im sure with treaded tires and little money to convince Ferrari to give you the car you paid for, that would all be solved.
mr2ya 1 year ago
@mr2ya Laughed at, eh? In what series do they race street legal cars with non-street legal? Funny how you were doing your best to list out cars that are only street legal in select areas (As opposed to everywhere with the cars I listed), and now you're turning around and attacking the idea of a car being street legal by comparing it to track-only cars. Class act, brah.
PukaMan 1 year ago
@PukaMan LOL! funny how cars you think aren't street legal are TAGGED AND DRIVEN HERE IN THE STATES, LOL!
whats really funny is how you want your track day car to be road legal and think thats the only thing matters, who would really care, you cant show what the car can do on normal roads anyway so whats the point, especially when you lose on the track.
ROFL! again, only two of those cars weren't road legal because of tires, So...
you lose...
mr2ya 1 year ago
@mr2ya Look up Edo's street legal FXX. It's more than just swapping tires, dumbass. Quit acting like you know anything.
PukaMan 1 year ago
@PukaMan ROFL! You stupid TWAT! the tires are the main and only real thing keeping it non legal and why you KEEP harping on the same 2 cars is beyond me.
mr2ya 1 year ago
@mr2ya Yeah it's the tires, not the catalyitic converter or lack safety equipment, or suspension that allows them to go over bumps. That's just some of the stuff Edo did with the FXX. But naw man, naw, it's gotta mainly be the tires, LOL!!!
PukaMan 1 year ago
@PukaMan You can pass emissions with NO cats easily, road cars aren't required to have airbags and im sure a 6point or whatever harness is plenty adequate.
Coilovers are adjustable in order to go drive on the streets and go over speed bumps.
And yes, it IS MAINLY the tires, love the list of things that didn't matter and you still acted like you were right, ROFL!@ YOU!
mr2ya 1 year ago
@PukaMan I thought you built frames and knew stuff about cars? that last comment showed the opposite, whata shocker.
mr2ya 1 year ago
@PukaMan You do realize road cars dont need air bags and crash tests right?
You do realize that how the ACR was setup for these laps at any track it would have a hard time clearing speed bumps and give you back problems driving on the road right? (thats one reason why coilovers are awesome, full adjustability is cool) you do realize with ecu's today you can get nearly any car to pass emissions with no cats right?
You do realize someone who builds frames should have known all that RIGHT?
mr2ya 1 year ago
@mr2ya Because building a tube-frame chassis for a go-kart with a motorcycle engine has everything to do with what you mentioned concerning emissions and clearing speedbumpst, yes? And for the record, the car we designed even had to meet certain crash requirements.
PukaMan 1 year ago
@PukaMan Like you and EVERY other DOPE on this website, you are honestly the DUMBEST group of assholes i have ever seen.
weather its, How much an Ls1 weighs, what cars ACTUALLY hold any records, whats the difference in the SAME PARTs, who has a stronger transmission, what the REAL LIFE limits of the LS1 are, why a smaller lighter engine is better for a sportscar, who sells cars and who dont, its all the STUPIDEST arguments i have EVER seen and the answer is always COMMON KNOWLEDGE!
mr2ya 1 year ago
which makes me wonder how in the world any of this could ever be an argument or why i ever argue with such complete IDIOTS, or how they even exist.
Facts are facts, they never change, no spin can change them, it is how it is.
Learn to live with it and stop arguing stuff thats been proven, its all been proven, their are no arguments against facts, stop trying, its fact, leave it be.
Copying what Viper owners had already done is not new, fresh, original, or special.
mr2ya 1 year ago
@mr2ya lol why the LS1, out of curiousity? I hear you can stuff thos things in anything. Instant Fast!!!!11111!!!!onesarcasmone!!
PukaMan 1 year ago
@PukaMan Because people like to lie non stop about it and it gets on my nerves.
The Ls1 in anything other a then a GM car is instant Gay.
People like to say, you only need a cam to make 600hp, not even close to being true.
they like to say its way way smaller than Ohc V8's, which they are slightly smaller but the Benefits FAR outway the 2"s wider.
They like to say its the lightest V8 ever and quote extremely far fetched weights, as light as 390lbs even, and it weighs 497lbs says GM.
mr2ya 1 year ago
now 497lbs etc. is light for for such a large displacement engine but An aluminum 302 is smaller and lighter, 347's have made a shit load of power, so its obvious its not the best.
Basically any and every lie has been said in one way or another and i've had it up to here, cant stand'em, dont like'em, dont like'em, especially dont like the FANBOYS and their funny crusades.
But i will still own a G8 some day soon. LOL!
mr2ya 1 year ago
@mr2ya G8? Eww...
PukaMan 1 year ago
@PukaMan G8 eww...?? really? one of the only 2 passable, decent cars that Gm, oops, that GM had a part of making in 30-40yrs and you say Eww..? no wonder im arguing with your blind retarded ass, you have no taste, you're full of shit, and everything is backwards to you in weirdo backwards land.
mr2ya 1 year ago
@mr2ya I just don't find the appearence of the G8 attractive at all. It looks like someone took a chisel to an enlarged pontiac grand prix bodystyle and kept the gaudy hood scoops out of spite. Not to mention the fact that it's an absolute porker. If I needed a performance sedan, I'd go for something out of BMW's or Audi's lineup.
PukaMan 1 year ago
@PukaMan Really? one of ONLY 2 attractive cars GM has made in 30-40yrs, the GTO being the other obviously, and you dont like it? You have no class and you like ugly.
Oh yeah, the Solstice Convertible is not bad but the coupe is horrid so thats sort of 3.
AND NO SHIT! i'd take a bimmer or Audi over it BUT retail was 19K last year and im sure i could find one rather cheap now.
With the right rims, lowered, maybe a front lip or something and its Clean as hell.
YOU ARE BLIND!
mr2ya 1 year ago
@mr2ya Truth be told the only car I'd buy from GM would be the Corvette. I didn't like the GTO, I don't like the G8, and I'm not a fan of the Camaro either. All are too heavy in my opinion, and the tires in the rear aren't wide enough.
PukaMan 1 year ago
@mr2ya Show me a Radical that's street legal in the US.
PukaMan 1 year ago
@PukaMan One was at that Coffee thing in Cali, driving on the Street with tags, thank you very much.
You lose, you always lost, why talk?
mr2ya 1 year ago
@PukaMan The real argument is NO argument, Dodge bolted on general, non specific, after market style parts that owners of Vipers and other cars have always used, then called it new, which it WAS NOT to anyone thats been around cars for a while. even Viper owners have said, its nothing special, its my car with track parts i can buy cheaper than Dodge wants to sell them to me for, So whats the point?
mr2ya 1 year ago
@PukaMan You're acting as if the TWO!!! cars that weren't road legal, because of the TIRES, were one off, track only nothing to do with the production car, track cars, they are not, they ARE production cars with track goodies bolted to them, sounds familiar, Sounds EXACTLY like the ACR, LOL!!!
Note: only 2 out of 10 or so were not road legal, so you lose on trying to harp on only those.
mr2ya 1 year ago
@PukaMan Yes, you will be laughed off the TRACK!!!! if you lose and your excuse is "mines road legal" people will say "take your slow ass back to road then", and laugh.
And remember, you can drive the cars i listed EVERYWHERE also, So you still lose despite every retarded angle you tried.
A Civic built with $15k still all motor, and used adjustable track goodies EXACTLY like on the ACR viper, MATCHED the ACR's time at buttonwillow, so obviously the ACR is nothing new or special.
mr2ya 1 year ago
@mr2ya Sorry, but I'm still of the stance that what Dodge did with the Viper is impressive for a large-scale manufacturer. The fact that a car like that got approved for production makes me think that someone in that company actually does have a passion for performance, which I find to be lacking in the majority of the domestic cars available, so that's why I like it.
PukaMan 1 year ago
@mr2ya Typically when you're on the track, you're on the track with other cars of similar class. You still haven't listed a series involving both street legal and track-only cars, so that seems like a moot point.
Much like the Mr2, big deal about a fast Civic. Putting money into just about anything can make it fast. Hence why comparing modified cars to stock is retarded to begin with. No wonder you get laughed at so much.
PukaMan 1 year ago
@PukaMan ROFL! YA MORON! TRACK DAY CARS ARE TRACK DAY CARS, STFU!
ONLY 2 OUT OF 10 WERE NOT STREET LEGAL! STOP HARPING ON THE ONLY 2!
ROFL! WHEN THE CAR USES A N/A 2.4 LITER AND THE 8.4 LITER STRUGGLES TO KEEP UP AND THE TRACK PARTS WERE ALL THE SAME IT DOESN"T MATTER IF IT WERE STOCK OR NOT!!
THE SAME PARTS ARE THE SAME PARTS!!!!! IT DOESN"T MATTER WHO BOLTS THEM ON!
HENCE THE VIPER IS A POS THAT IS TECHNICALLY SLOW IF A MODDED CIVIC CAN KEEP UP, DUH!!!! DUMBASS!!!
mr2ya 1 year ago
@mr2ya lol all caps, omg.
PukaMan 1 year ago
@PukaMan I need to scream because you aren't listening!
And yeah, Ferrari has never been in any endurance races, LOL!
As if a Dodge is more reliable than anything else. LOL!
I cant believe you think Coilovers and wings etc. are different from coilovers and wings etc.
they are the same thing no matter who bolts them on.
And its not like were talking EXTENSIVELY MODDED cars here, only the same things found on the ACR.
mr2ya 1 year ago
@mr2ya I hope you're joking about Ferrari not being in endurance races.
And yeah, on the Edo FXX, where did I say that the coilovers and wings were different? You definitely rule at ASSuming, don't you? HAHAHA.
PukaMan 1 year ago
@PukaMan I hope you're joking about Ferrari not being in endurance races.
And you said the Coilovers and wing are different on the ACR than other cars because Dodge bolted them on, if an individual bolts them on a car it's now unfair and not the same part.
You definitely rule at not knowing shit then back peddling as if you didn't know what i meant. HAHAHA. Poor kid.
mr2ya 1 year ago
@mr2ya I already explained what I considered to be significant about Dodge making the ACR, and I don't recall it involving mechanical differences between what owners do and what the manufacturer does.
And I hope you're not joking about Ferrari not being in endurance racing, especially with their extensive history in endurance racing.
PukaMan 1 year ago
@PukaMan
I hope you're not joking about Ferrari not being in endurance racing, especially with their extensive history in endurance racing.
And i already explained a coilover is a coilover, who bolts it on CHANGES nothing.
same with the tires, wing and Aero, they DO NOT CHANGE no matter who bolts them on.
same parts is fair fight, no matter the car.
mr2ya 1 year ago
@mr2ya whatever, this particular argument is retarded. You don't seem to understand the kind of politics that a car like this would have to go through to even be taken into consideration for production, and it makes me think that someone in Didge really gives a damn about real performance. Blah blah blah, I stick by my stance, you stick with yours. Whatever.
PukaMan 1 year ago
@PukaMan Its not like we're talking massively modded 1500whp Skylines to the Acr its cars that are within its power range and have the right aero and tires on them.
Its the same thing.
mr2ya 1 year ago
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@PukaMan Because it went through crash tests that ROAD CARS AREN'T REQUIRED TO. making them perfectly legal and faster.
So adjustable coilovers are now different if a Major manufacturer bolts them on, they now can only be adjusted to clear speed bumps on cars that are built by Dodge and NO OTHER BRANDS, thats a fantastic conclusion. 1
mr2ya 1 year ago
@mr2ya Good lord, how thick are you? I just stated my freakin' stance on why I think it's significant that Dodge made this car, and did you really just miss the goddam point for why I though this made it special? Did I make any mention about the parts they added on to it, or the actual construction? Sweet jesus...
PukaMan 1 year ago
@PukaMan The construction of the Acr is not new or special, its a Dodge Viper that they added adjustable coilovers, aero and wings etc to, that owners had already used getting the same results. NO ENGINEERING or designing went into adding these parts.
Its a Dodge Viper with track parts.
Sweet jesus is right....
mr2ya 1 year ago
@mr2ya Then you obviously didn't read much into it, considering the extensive wind-tunnel testing they did on the car. Yup, they just bolted the parts on there and said "yerp lets sell this thar car." Come on, don't be stupid.
PukaMan 1 year ago
@PukaMan Stop being foolish, they tested in the wind tunnel to get the best settings, the parts are general, tuner adjustable, track parts, nothing NEW or SPECIAL, no matter what you think.
People with older Vipers have already used them with the same results, WITH NO WIND TUNNEL!! copying what Viper owners have already done CANT BE NEW OR SPECIAL OR INNOVATIVE, ITS DOING WHATS ALREADY BEEN DONE!!!
How can that be special? its been DONE!!!!
mr2ya 1 year ago
@PukaMan No consideration was needed when adding parts that had already existed and been used before.
No politics is involved, you take a production Viper and add new track parts to it.
Your stance is that a coilover is fair when Dodge bolts it on but Unfair when an individual uses it, you're saying its now a different part.
mr2ya 1 year ago
@mr2ya No, you're saying that I'm saying it's a different part. Frankly I don't care anymore. This argument is going nowhere. I'm gonna do what you can't do since you're obviously an internet tough guy with plenty of spare time on your hands. I'm just gonna stop responding. Enjoy your arguing on teh intarwebs. I've got better things to do.
PukaMan 1 year ago
@PukaMan ROFL! you have more comments here than me and your the one with things to do?
You build frames and are MR. badass but have time to argue over shit you obviously dont understand?
You have some nerve.
Once again, Coilovers are coilovers no matter who bolts them on, that will never change and if you have 2 cars with the same parts its a FAIR fight.
Internet tough guy? people want mess with me in real life either.
mr2ya 1 year ago
@PukaMan LMAO! the Civic was bought and built for ONLY $15000 including the car, it doesn't like it needed much, ROFL!
And of course it USED the EXACT same parts, coilovers, splitters and canards for front down force, and a wing for rear down force, along with treaded soft compound tires, ALL THE SAME PARTS AS THE VIPER!!! meaning the Viper is a WASTE like always.
laughed at? ROFL! its the other way around, i laugh at moronic YOUTUBERS that dont think of things in a realistic manor.
mr2ya 1 year ago
@mr2ya Yeah I bet. Put the two in an endurance race and see whic one lasts, haha.
PukaMan 1 year ago
@PukaMan And why would anybody laugh at me, are they laughing because im always right? thats on them for being so GD dumb, i got nothing to do with that.
mr2ya 1 year ago
@PukaMan Street legal, treaded tire, modded NSX matched the ACRX's time at Laguna Seca and the ACRX is not road legal and on slicks, and you still lose, So....
In other words, a slow car with track parts is a faster car, but a fast car with track parts is even faster, plain and simple, and you have not ONE argument against that or any thing else talked about here, so stop your whinning.
Do not comment back because no matter your reply it will not change any of this.
mr2ya 1 year ago
@mr2ya lol alright captain obvious. When did I ever say something that was the opposite of this? It's not even what the argument was about, LOL!
PukaMan 1 year ago
@mr2ya I don't really see what's funny about more people buying the Enzo. It's a great car. I've purposely gone to the local Ferrari dealer just to take pictures of one when it was there for maintenance. Doesn't hurt my feelings at all.
PukaMan 1 year ago
@PukaMan LOL! its funny because you say the ACR is faster and cheaper yet NO ONE has a problem buying the Enzo for $1mil+, in fact all 399 were sold.
They cant even sell 400 ZR1's.
so what does that tell you about the cars you're cheer leading for? Their crap that people just dont care about and dont want no matter what they CLAIM.
mr2ya 1 year ago
@mr2ya Who said I was cheering for them? I like damn near any performance car under the sun just about. You're the one who seems to have a huge bias against anything associated with domestic automobiles. I like the ZR1, I like the ACR, I like Porsches (more than just about any other car) and Euros, I like Jap Imports, etc. etc. I mean, I don't get it, ar you trying to make me feel bad about automotive sales? Who cares?
PukaMan 1 year ago
@mr2ya If it was just just the knob, like you say, then how come the problem kept coming up during the middle of hotlapping? Sounds more like a problem with the actual dampers to me.
PukaMan 1 year ago
@PukaMan While from what they say the Knob was broke so you couldn't adjust from street, race etc. so im sure thats exactly what they meant.
Sounds like trying to drive your fastest on a street setting isn't the best choice to me.
mr2ya 1 year ago
@mr2ya Yeah and they said nothing about that in the article. I know for a fact because it's one of the few times I've purchased an issue of Evo magazine, so where did you hear it from?
PukaMan 1 year ago
@PukaMan Where they say "the controller was broke and unable to adjust the Shocks" besides the Mc12 is nearly the SAME car and it only ran slightly faster with car being A ok So.... if the guy owned the cars they would have went faster.
wrecking a Dodge, Gtr, Zr1 when you work for the company is NO BIG DEAL, wrecking a one of only 400 built 1.whatever million dollar car is different.
mr2ya 1 year ago
@mr2ya They wrecked the Koenigsegg during the test, so I doubt they were using much restraint. The whole purpose of the test was "to break records" after all.
PukaMan 1 year ago
@PukaMan Ehh, no, it was to show they were in the ball game, if the guy owned the car it would have went faster.
Replacing an irreplaceable car is hard to do and would surly have been on the drivers mind.
And of course you can wreck going to the store without driving fast so that made NO difference. Hmmm, im sensing a common theme with EVERY comment you make. LOL!!!!!
mr2ya 1 year ago
@mr2ya Yeah which is why they improved on the Zonda's factory-claimed laptime by over 3 seconds. I guess worrying about crashing someone's car just has that effect on professional drivers, HAHAHA!!!
PukaMan 1 year ago
@PukaMan LOL! so now mag editors are pro drivers, LOL! @ your tardasion
mr2ya 1 year ago
@mr2ya Except it wasn't the mag editors driving. It was professional driver Marc Basseng, a known 'Ring expert. Feel free to look up the times and the listed driver for the cars. Simple as that. Obvious facts are obvious.
PukaMan 1 year ago
@PukaMan So a known ring expert went 12 sec slower in a STOCK Zr1, are saying the Zr1 Jim mero drove wasn't stock, i thought so too.
mr2ya 1 year ago
Not to mention you're definitely drinking the kool-aid if you think a base model unmodified 911 is going to keep up with an M Roadster. Especially in the turns. Have fun dreaming champ. Get a Porsche that matters.
PukaMan 3 years ago
Furthermore, the ZR1 beats the GT2 while using street tires that will last over 20,000 miles before replacing. The GT2's gumball tires will be lucky if they last 5,000 miles. Just another example of how Porsche engineers engineer their way around the problem of rear-engined design. Put sticky tires on so the car can turn without oversteering through every turn. It's still a great car though.
PukaMan 3 years ago
It's also apparent that you don't know shit because all you've done so far is provide a mix of incorrect data and ad hominems.
PukaMan 3 years ago
An update: GM just posted the video of the ZR1's lap. Watch as it beats the Porsche GT2's laptime ;). But concerning Steffan Bellof's laptime, that's a different story haha, but really no surprise there. Group C ftw.
PukaMan 3 years ago
you're officially a moron.
THERexKramer 3 years ago
listen you shel8777 fuckface first of all is not bugahtti is bugatti, top speed is 256 instead of 215 and what the fuck you drive cause i got a black c6 z06 with corsa exhaust headers r2.5 cams and toyo super slick tires. i hit 0-60 in 3.4 second and cant wait to smoke the shit out of you so either man up and race me or shut the fuck up and leave other people alone bitch.
musteat8 3 years ago
You have got to be the most ignorant D-Bag on Youtube to date. 2.7 Million for 1001hp!? Get the fuck out of here. The ZR1 runs almsot 30sec faster around the ring than that POS. Learn some shit.
TEFLONTHADON 3 years ago 4
@TEFLONTHADON That Veyron lap was apparently fake, not saying it would have went faster, just that it was a fake like some other claimed times.
mr2ya 1 year ago
haha ur sucha pompus asshole, well lets see then 1 whats ur fav car 2 tell me why the ls7 and ls9 and the lsx crate are not the pinacle of pushrod engine design and o yeah those motors make better power to weight than your car and so does the vette in general and ask any drag racer if they like the ls series and how dependable they are youll get put in ur place 3. the vette has better weight distrobution than your car and will take a corner faster than ur ass heavy porsche
crazybannon 3 years ago
Are you Brain dead fuckface? Can you read? Check out ANY car magazine Or publication, about vette vs Porsche, and you will lose hands down. Who rules the Autoban? At least i'm comeing from facts, your just talking out of the side of your asshole. Asshole.
shel8777 3 years ago
4. your driving a car that brakes down much more often and have fun with modifications to your vw designed electronics 5. i like porsches 2 but u obviously dont know shit bout cars i can tell ive had more time under the hood than u if u wanna brag about design and performance buy a 959 or a gt asshole 6. o yeah tell me the technique you use to recover your car from oversteer mr porsche if your design is so fantastic
crazybannon 3 years ago