I gave fair notice to most of the moronic PAN trolls that I was done feeding them. SInce they seem unable to take a hint, I will spell it out for them. YOU ARE A TROLL. I saw the sign when I came to YouTube that said DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS, and yet I tried to give many of them the benefit of doubt. There is no more doubt. The continual lies, deceptions and refusal to address what passes for their minds, eyes, and ears, has cleared it all up for me. Blocked and ignored!!
@un4g1v3n1 Is it possible you actually think you've provided answers for any of the questions put to you? Lies? Like all the rest of your accusations, the whole case consists of making and repeating the charge; as if repetition makes it true.
Google E. E. Kovalev, Killer Electrons, Radioactive Moon, A temporal forecast of radiation environments for future space exploration missions. Ask yourself, if you were beyond the protection of our ionosphere, and magnetosphere, just how long do you think you could survive gamma radiation from 30MeV to 50 GeV? Ask yourself how many SOLAR FLARES you, and a computer with less computing power than a modern-day calculator, could survive. Anyone who believes the Apollo story after that is deluded.
@un4g1v3n1 “E.E. Kovalev,..” Gamma rays comprise <1% of space radiation. Highly energetic radiation at very low intensity is not a problem esp. for SHORT DURATION missions - like Apollo. A computer's computational power does not determine its radiation resistance.
The Apollo Guidance Computer was really just a digital autopilot: It stored and acted on results radioed up from a ground-based supercomputer – the size of a couple of basketball courts, and manned by dozens of people.
Guess they left a spot/fill light on in the background there in the top left corner of the black backdrop. Only morons still blather on about Apollo as if it was real!
@McShill Take this junk down.The flag was bumped by the astronaut as he passed by. He was actually a LOT closer than it seems. The perspective is distorted because a short focal-length lens was on the camera.
(2of2) a brief lunar mission entirely feasible with shielding technology that existed in the 60's. Further, Dr. Frank Cucinotta , JSC, NASA is quoted extensively! So, as always, The ct crowd tries to use NASA data to prove NASA is unreliable! Google "Sickening Solar Flares". Clearly, Dr. Cucinotta ( like all the others cited in the program) entertains no doubts the Apollo landings occurred as advertised.
@deadlyradiation You're kidding, right? The program mentions "long duration stays on the lunar surface" and "missions to Mars". Short duration stays - like The Apollo landings - are an entirely different matter. The low flux of GCR, X-rays and gamma rays, together with the infrequency and PARTIAL predictability of SPE's, combine to make (cont'd)
@occhamite DEADLY RADIATION, or as VAN ALLEN STATED, a SEA OF DEADLY RADIATION surrounds the Earth. You see, the guy actually had them named after him for discovering them. And since that time, NASA has discovered that the outer belts are more dangerous than previously thought. GOOGLE KILLER ELECTRONS, RADIOACTIVE moon, and quit your bluffing. It just makes you look stupid as shit!
(Blashkovsky et al,) got similar results with their Zond, FM-2 missions .
That the hoaxers have been grossly distorting what J.V.A. said is clear from his early publications. See TIME magazine, May 4, 1959, and Scientific American, March 1959.
I think it’s perfectly clear to everyone BUT YOU who is “bluffing”, and who “looks like S—T”. You’re a zero buddy, you don’t even know the basics, even after all these years.
All you can do is misquote people who would call you a kook.
@un4g1v3n1 wrote "DEADLY RADIATION... " my my, we do like that "Caps Lock" key, don't we? Van Allen also stated that the Apollo Hoax theory was "nonsense", and that the assertion that the Apollo Astronauts would receive a fatal VAB radiation dose was absurd.
The total doses received by Apollo crews were ~1-2 rem, and there isn't a person qualified to comment ANYWHERE who thinks otherwise. And the Russians, (cont’d)
@occhamite It's called highlighting the truth! Something you know nothing of, as is evident by your continual belief in fairy tale missions that anyone with half-a-brain has already figured out!
Let me help you out. Ready. If they lied about going to the moon, then the EVIDENCE, is manufactured as well.
You should talk to the Dutch. They have a moonrock to sell you!
@un4g1v3n1 That's hilarious. The only people who can understand this "evidence" of yours are a few of those who lack higher education in the relevant disciplines. Knowledge has blinded the experts, EVERY ONE. The evidence is manufactured? Says who? You? Who cares! The Apollo rocks have been examined by ~ 1,000 geologists, from (cont’d)
@occhamite 1,000 geologists eh? WHy don't you quit making sweeping generalizations and start putting names to paper asshole. Seriously. Because the radiologists I've spoken with are well aware of the APOLLO FRAUD...Because they understand RADIATION...and it's effect on the human body.
Your Apollo Fairy Tale DIED on blast off for the educated. It's you who suffers from ignorance of facts!
@un4g1v3n1 wrote "1,000 geologists eh?..." I'll give you this much: You never fail to amuse. First, you demand " putting names to paper...", followed by the obligatory obscenity, then you claim "radiologists" support you, but provide NO NAMES of your own! I guess it's clear, yet again, who the A--H---E is.
So it's names you want? Is 1,000 or so sufficient? /user/philwebb59#p/u/39/XVxFuTf_C2o
@un4g1v3n1 you don't care to checkup on the NAMES, do you? Absoluetly classic desperation move: No answer for the argument, divert attention away by attacking the person making it. Let's see you justify that dismissal of yours with some EVIDENCE.
@nesokretep This is my final day of corresponding to you people who prefer your fantasies to realities. Aluminum is a terrible shielding option. As a matter-of-fact, it is no option. Does your dentist put a aluminum blanket over you for a simple X-ray. I know you don't care to look truthfully at anything which shatters your lies, and delusions, but should you change your mind watch, watch?v=6aWUa5l_WNs Start at the 54 minute mark. I know how lazy trolls can be. Radiation expert testimony.
@un4g1v3n1 -- You think that fragmentation is some sort of news?
The question you still fail to answer and will always fail to answer is: HOW MUCH of WHAT TYPE and ENERGY radiation would they have encountered?
And now, if you dare, you can add to that question: In "fragmentation" the particles must lose energy. How much energy do they lose? How dangerous is the resulting radiation? How much of it is there?
Also: The Apollo hull was NOT a single sheet of aluminum.
You asked..."Where is the actual data that even suggests that Apollo's shielding was not good enough for the radiation that they encountered?"
I countered with testimony of a radiation shielding EXPERT. If you can't handle the truth, then shut the fuck up, and keep your delusions to yourself. Everyone else who isn't afraid of the truth, could truly give a rats ass what you think. Blocked, ignored troll 0, truthful testimony from radiation shielding expert 1
@un4g1v3n1 -- Your expert's answer was incomplete. Please answer the questions:
When radiation encounters a shield and is fragmented, it is NOT POSSIBLE for the resulting fragments to each have the same energy as the original. They MUST all be of a lower intensity.
So: Please QUANTIFY the danger inside of Apollo. Quit just telling stories about it.
@un4g1v3n1 -- As I said ... 42 years and counting.
Are you some day going to have actual objective QUANTIFIED evidence?
Without that, you have no particular argument.
It would even be more honest of you if you would say: "Well, I don't really know for sure if Apollo could have gone to the moon, but my gut feeling is that the radiation was probably too strong for them to make it."
That at least would be honest.
All I want is an objevctive, quantified study instead of just a stream of words.
@un4g1v3n1 "This is my final day...." TOO funny. The Apollo CM used Aluminum, fibrous insulation, and fiberglass/epoxy as radiation shielding. There is absolutely nothing whatsoever in the video you referenced to cast doubt on Apollo. Why don't you e-mail the woman, ask her yourself? Standard hoaxer tactic: Make you own wacky interpretation of the words of experts, call it support for your position.
(2of2) all over the world, for more than 40 years. The "Experts" are perfectly clear; The Apollo lunar samples came DIRECTLY from the moon, are too large and too carefully chosen to have been collected robotically, esp.w/ 60's technology. Dutch "moon rock" again? Please, don't waste my time: YT search “The Moonstone of The Netherlands - Part 1” & part 2
The "Experts" are perfectly clear; The Apollo lunar samples came DIRECTLY from the moon
Red Herrings is all this troll is good for. Von Braun collected the MOON ROCKS, two years prior to Apollo 11 on his little NAZI expedition to the antarctica! Google it. Google Killer Electrons. Google RADIOACTIVE MOON. Then sit back and laugh at Ocresmite, and his PAN buddies, and their hundreds of collective sockpuppet accounts. Just like the EXPERTS laugh at the general populace for buying APOLLO!
@un4g1v3n1 wrote "red Herrings...." Von Braun did not collect moon rocks. Not that it matters... If NASA wanted to fool everybody - including geologists - they'd have gotten the best GEOLOGISTS to do the fooling, and certainly not a ROCKET SCIENTIST. Would a geologist be able then, to design the best moon rocket? Any moon rocket? Readers who wants to decide for themselves;a 3-part, begins here: /user/philwebb59#p/u/43/YVe2LqgOn_U
(2of2) scurries, back to the safety of his channel - where people with opposing views – and a little research on the subject under their belt – are blocked because they might BECOME a problem for him. I know – I checked – haven’t tried to post there in AGES, but I’m blocked, by this self-described ex-military Defender Of The Truth. What a laugh! What was your specialty in the Service? Retreats?
@un4g1v3n1 wrote "It's called highlighting the truth....” Notice, readers, that at no time does this “dipsh-t" (his word) offer anything remotely resembling evidence, beyond outrageous misquoting of authorities on the subject (This you can easily verify for yourself). The rest of the time, it's just the same old, worn-out, self-validating assertions - circular argumentation. Then, after posting a few obscenties, off he (cont’d)
Notice readers that all you have to do is go to my channel, and watch my videos to see the fraud for yourself. Listening to idiot trolls like chokamite will lead to a lower IQ, and tooth decay! Or better yet, do what chokeatrite is afraid to do. Go to the NGDC and see the major solar flares that SOLAR/ASTRO physicists agree would have killed the anots. And then go to the Apollo report, and see the LIE, that there were NO MAJOR SOLAR PARTICLE EVENTS! Another, in a long line of NASA LIES!
(2of2) a "Solar Particle Event” (SPE) is a burst of SUBATOMIC PARTICLES – like protons. SPE's are very rare – occurring about once per solar cycle(~11 years).
No scientist will argue that the SOLAR FLARES listed in the NGDC table “would have killed the anauts”. Many FLARES did occur during lunar missions, but the rad dose from solar FLARES is so low, it is not of consequence. No SOLAR PARTICLE EVENTS occurred during any Apollo mission. GOOGLE “Sickening Solar Flares”.
@occhamite wrote "a Solar Particle Event (SPE) is a .....SPE's are very rare...." OOPS! that first sentence is supposed to read "..... LARGE SPE's are very rare, occurring about once per solar cycle...."
Obviously, we are only concerned here with events large enough to be dangerous.
@occhamite Go to your hero Jay WIndley's website and notice how he mimics the lies of NASA's Apollo reports, with the statement that no MAJOR SOLAR FLARES occured during Apollo missions. You see, even major Tom get's it, while lying through his teeth. Yes, YOU ARE BAD. One of the most ignorant PAN's yet!
Keep on believing, maybe Santa will appear one day!
@un4g1v3n1 wrote "Notice readers...." Too TOO funny. That comment belongs in the Hoaxer's Stupid Comment Hall of Fame! After years and years study on the subject, you STILL haven't figured out the "solar flares" and "soalr particle events” are two different things. You equate the two, use the terms interchageably! I guess hail and rain are the same thing. Flares produce ELECTROMAGNETIC RADIATION - radio waves to gamma rays, whereas (cont'd)
a massive burst of solar wind, other light isotope plasma, and magnetic fields rising above the solar corona or being released into space.[1]
Coronal mass ejections are often associated with other forms of solar activity, most notably solar flares, but a causal relationship has not been established.”
@un4g1v3n1 “A solar flare…” NO, NO, NO! A solar flare is NOT an SPE!!! They are two different things: Go to your God Wiki, search Solar Flare:
“A solar flare is a sudden brightening observed over the Sun…..
They produce radiation across the electromagnetic spectrum at all wavelengths, from radio waves to gamma rays….The same energy releases may produce coronal mass ejections (CME), although the relation between CMEs and flares is still not well established” (cont’d)
@un4g1v3n1 wrote "Notice readers that all you have to do is go to my channel...." yeah! Where the opposition is blocked PREEMPTIVELY from commenting!!! It's spelled s u r r e n d e r : /watch?v=uUjIA3Rt7gk
Considering the farce you've put on here, I suppose it's understandable.
@un4g1v3n1 If you were serious about looking at the facts, you wouldn't be blocked. But since you chose mockery, instead of simply acknowledging the facts, you can do that elsewhere.
The moment you begin to ”reap as ye sow”, you whine like babies.
Acknowledging the facts? What facts? Where are these names you were to provide? Don't get the impression anybody would care about being blocked by you. You videos are just a lot noise, very little data, and that grossly misused (NGDC tables for instance).
@un4g1v3n1 wrote "If you were serious..." I choose mockery? Problem with your memory today? You'd better go back and check your previous comments. You're the walking dictionary of four letter words.
You hoaxers will never get it. YOU intitiated the debate – there could not be Hoax Theory debunkers unless there was FIRST a Hoax Theory to debunk.
YOU then set the tone of the debate by making charges of fraud, (cont’d)
AT :40 YOU SEE THE "ASTRONAUT" ACTUALLY WALK THROUGH THE FLAG. ITS A GLITCH. MOON LANDING WAS FAKE! PLEASE RESPOND TO THIS IF YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH MY STATEMENT.
Don't forget the easy proof of it's a hoax, the missing delay between Houston and the "Moon" it makes the Moon hoaxsters desperate, they can't debunk it.
@kennjohnsen ..."Don't forget the easy proof of it's a hoax, the missing delay between Houston and the "Moon" it makes the Moon hoaxsters desperate, they can't debunk it. "
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Don't forget what a silly boy nonsekenn is, still clinging to his "delay" farce like a little boy clings to his Mommy's leg.
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The flag cloth has some small momentum which given that there is no drag from surrounding atmosphere and gravity is quite weak, it takes a while to worn out.
@jannikmt He held it in his hand? Are we talking about the same thing or are repressed memories starting to surface? He walked by the flag he didn't touch it. What made the flag move? I'm not promoting any moon conspiracy I'm asking why it moved when he walked by it.
@toplesshottub...how do you know he didn't touch it? Were you the 4th member of Apollo 15 that no one knew about? Do you have an amazing story to tell us? Did you happen to notice that the flag didn't move one single micron until the astronaut went past? Do you think that's a co-incidence? Do you think much at all?
@toplesshottub ...then where are the pictures? How do you expect us to believe that you had box seats if you offer no pictures as proof! I'm very suspicious of your claim young man!
@jannikmt hi residual movement and electro statics remember e are in space here ther is no air to stop the flag that fast and gravity on the moon is a lot weaker...
The flag is not 'blowing' in the wind. There are others reasons why the flag would move. If you try real hard I bet you can come up with a few. Go ahead, give it a try, it won't hurt.
@McShill The comment I deleted earlier still applies. From this camera angle we cannot see whether the astronaut brushes the flag as he walk by or not.
Inconclusive evidence either way.
Did you count the significant solar events in the NOAA data (for each mission)? I see only one for the Apollo 11 mission. Haven't looked at the others yet...
@cliffspc ....The hoaxers who are still caught up on the flag, the stars, and who filmed Armstrong stepping off the ladder are just wasting your time. You have a a questionable habit of being too nice on these threads ;) sometimes you just need to tell people to fuck off, thats pretty much what most of them came here for.
@teddysalad65 I will extend the same civility I receive, no matter what someones beliefs are. If discussing/debating fairly is considered questionable, I can live with that...
@teddysalad65 Forget the flag and stars what about the dangers of space radiation? Space radiation has sufficient energy to change or break DNA molecules. Do you know what that means?
@PSYWARORDER "Forget the flag and stars what about the dangers of space radiation? Space radiation has sufficient energy to change or break DNA molecules. Do you know what that means?"
You could make several videos explaining what the radiation in space is like, and the idiots who blindly worship NASA would still never GET IT!
@cliffspc Pick those things you can't explain and find out how to explain them. That's what I did and found no answers but more questions. Something is wrong with the moon landing story.
Do any of you realize there is actually a THIN atmosphere on the moon? This would especially be the case in actively disturbed areas. Gravity means some atmosphere. Compared to Earth, it is a virtual vacuum, but the moon actually has more of an atmosphere than Mercury is suspected of having.
@beefytomato Didn't say a dust storm moved the flag, merely stated the fact that there is an atmosphere ( albeit a very thin one ) on the moon, which means there can be isolated pockets of greater atmosphere and thus winds.
The hoax supporters believe the moon is a vacuum, which is wrong. They also believe we couldn't travel through the Van Allen radiation belts, which I have found to be false. You get about a 6 mo dose of normal radiation exposure for the entire trip. Not good - not fatal..
@looncraz You are saying moon wind moves the flag? There is a tiny atmosphere on the moon but no wind like on earth. Static winds but not heat driven airflow.
@beefytomato I suggest you google 'atmosphere on the moon.' Also the Van Allen radiation belts. You will find that they are 13,000 km combined thickness, at the thickest, and if you are traveling 28,000 km/h you are exposed for less than half an hour in each direction... to a 2500REM/year radiation density... which is like 200 mRem exposure, which isn't very dangerous, but you may notice some effects.
I've been working on this topic for a couple days now after watching a few pro-hoax videos.
@2headscostmorethan1 The VARB radiation level is the observed average for a year of exposure passing from the inner to outer belts on an elliptical orbit, providing a relatively accurate average exposure estimate of 2500 REM/year.
30 minutes of exposure to this environment isn't good for you, but it is not fatal as many suggest. One must also take average density into account, which is actually very low - the radiation is very scattered, with some more intense areas. Getting through is easy.
@2headscostmorethan1 The Russians were not willing to take the risk, and the Americans were. I'd like to think this reflects more accurate knowledge regarding the danger of radiation in the VARBs, but I feel it may have simply been the 'consequences be damned' American attitude... Though I think we had more accurate knowledge, having the raw data from the four missions that traversed the region, versus the single Russian mission ( Luna 1 ). We got lucky is all...
@beefytomato If that had been on Earth, the thick atmosphere would have provided drag and friction and the flag would have ceased moving much sooner. The thin atmosphere enabled the extended movement. The initial movement could be caused by many factors in a non-but near-vacuum environment. Gasses attracted by static energy to the astronaut, or even vortexes caused by the movement itself. Some areas on the moon have more atmosphere than others-and landing sites would have more gas-from us.
@looncraz he is also breathing oxygen and assuming he is expelling from his space suit, I mean you wouldn't want to breathing fart gas for long would you? hahaha ha!
@MattBlytheTheOne You got it!! We may enjoy our own sauce for a short while, but certainly not for THAT long! Not to mention all those gasses we exhale... a nice silent, but smelly, death....
@looncraz If that had been on Earth, the thick atmosphere would have provided drag and friction and the flag would have ceased moving much sooner. LOL FUCKING MOONTARD REASONING (but total horseshit)
why do all you assholes TRY to speak scientifically when you can't even SPELL?
@looncraz In my computer room with the ac on my curtain sometimes moves on the corner like the flag in the video. It oscillates like the flag. Nothing moved it but a change in wind current. It does that in mid ac cycle - when the fan has been running around half the time for that cycle. It doesn't do it every time or at any set time. I notice it late at night when all is still and quite. It is a condition that can happen on earth indoors.
@beefytomato My point is not that it is not replicable on Earth, but that it can in fact occur on the moon. This prevents this from being smoking gun evidence - for which I am searching.
There are many issues with the lunar landings. From minor footage oddities, wild temperature swings, missing blast craters, 'clean' crew module launch from the surface, radiation, and much more. NASA had plenty of time and funds to work around many problems, so I must give benefit of the doubt to them. Fun.
You are referring, I imagine, to the Van Allen Radiation Belts, right?
The trajectory was planned to avoid the densest parts of the belts to limit exposure. The radiation was measured to not be dangerous on 'dry-runs,' prior to Apollo 11 as well.
We knew what we were getting into, but the Russians lacked the means to attain the knowledge needed in a timely enough fashion to compete, and their earliest findings were flawed and scared them...
At least that is the official story... One theory is that Apollo 10 wasn't actually a dry run but was an actual attempt, which may have even been successful. This would then qualify as a "shadow mission.' This would go a long way into explaining why so much evidence supports NASA covering up aspects of the missions.
That and not wanting to admit that the film from the moon was damaged and unusable... could you imagine the mess of not being able to bring back images?
@nasafaketit That is certainly possible, but I believe the accidentally released film which suggests there were men inside, just not every mission actually went to the moon.
I think we did it once, and faked the rest. Or we did every time, but had to fake things because of film damage.
The only thing I know:
There is some solid evidence we went to the moon, at least once. Which is to say some actions can't be faked on earth.
And some good evidence to the contrary. No smoking guns though..
@xXxXxJohnsonxXxXx who said i made up my mind? im just merely asking... easy, easy my american friend. dont pull the trigger yet please. no wmd here, nor at the moon, if thats of any help!? thanks for these links though, i will check them out.
@xXxXxJohnsonxXxXx nah no drama here. stop telling other people what to think and use your own brains. helping people and exchange ideas/information, sure! but keep ur hands home got it? thanks.
@sebaz1982 I'm not telling you what to think I'm telling you to think. Only an uneducated sucker would think NASA faked the landings and left film around to prove it was fake. What you see that don't match what you expect to see is not proof of forgery. I'm telling you to think got it? Did you look at the links I posted did it change your mind?
@xXxXxJohnsonxXxXx change my mind? you really dont get it do you? if you would stop being so stubborn and agressive in your thinking you would know better and have way better communicaton, more friendly too. but anyway; Thank you for the links again. as I said before; i am studying them carefully (while researching at the same time). you cant just go over this in 5 min and make your judgement....
@sebaz1982 I'm not being stubborn and aggressive. If you haven't made up your mind you should be researching and not telling what you think happened. When you are sure what happened start telling people. You wouldn't want to lie to people (intentionally or unintentionally) would you?
@xXxXxJohnsonxXxXx Excuuusssseee me???? Do not ever again tell me what i should and should not. i can 'make up my mind' when i want to, on my own watch, on my own tempo. besides, even if i die undecided, would this affect u? oh and mixing myself in debates and telling what i think, regardless of the fact, is impossible? get ur hands off me. enough with all these links. i got enough. if i want to see more, i know how to use google. u shouldnt be talking about the moon, u need to live there. BYE.
@xXxXxJohnsonxXxXx I want you to leave me alone and stop spamming my email inbox. go apply for a dr.phil audience or something. 'spout off uneducated thoughts with no backing' ... i feel sorry for you. not the brightest and most handsome of the class huh? i will continue this whole moon landing discussion with nice, interesting, smart and friendly people. you take care.
@cheddercheeseable yeah whatever man. not up for ur game. u win. ur the best. etc. can u leave me alone now please? ur spamming my email inbox. thanks. take care now. ps if u be a good boy i will send you a signed cap, contact by youtube msg. cheerio
Hahaha it's because he's moving it around you know?
TheCHUCKY1992 2 weeks ago
I gave fair notice to most of the moronic PAN trolls that I was done feeding them. SInce they seem unable to take a hint, I will spell it out for them. YOU ARE A TROLL. I saw the sign when I came to YouTube that said DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS, and yet I tried to give many of them the benefit of doubt. There is no more doubt. The continual lies, deceptions and refusal to address what passes for their minds, eyes, and ears, has cleared it all up for me. Blocked and ignored!!
un4g1v3n1 9 months ago
@un4g1v3n1 Is it possible you actually think you've provided answers for any of the questions put to you? Lies? Like all the rest of your accusations, the whole case consists of making and repeating the charge; as if repetition makes it true.
occhamite 9 months ago
Google E. E. Kovalev, Killer Electrons, Radioactive Moon, A temporal forecast of radiation environments for future space exploration missions. Ask yourself, if you were beyond the protection of our ionosphere, and magnetosphere, just how long do you think you could survive gamma radiation from 30MeV to 50 GeV? Ask yourself how many SOLAR FLARES you, and a computer with less computing power than a modern-day calculator, could survive. Anyone who believes the Apollo story after that is deluded.
un4g1v3n1 9 months ago
@un4g1v3n1 “E.E. Kovalev,..” Gamma rays comprise <1% of space radiation. Highly energetic radiation at very low intensity is not a problem esp. for SHORT DURATION missions - like Apollo. A computer's computational power does not determine its radiation resistance.
The Apollo Guidance Computer was really just a digital autopilot: It stored and acted on results radioed up from a ground-based supercomputer – the size of a couple of basketball courts, and manned by dozens of people.
occhamite 9 months ago
@un4g1v3n1 What, silence now?
watch?v=StHwAffUNxo
occhamite 9 months ago
OK. So now post a link to a video showing the flag "blowing." This one doesn't do it.
nesokretep 9 months ago
Guess they left a spot/fill light on in the background there in the top left corner of the black backdrop. Only morons still blather on about Apollo as if it was real!
un4g1v3n1 9 months ago
what condition my condition was in
SundayMondayHappyDay 9 months ago
They probably had an air conditioner in the studio and that caused the flag to move.
MickeyMouseApollo 9 months ago
@McShill Take this junk down.The flag was bumped by the astronaut as he passed by. He was actually a LOT closer than it seems. The perspective is distorted because a short focal-length lens was on the camera.
user/shanedk#p/u/40/GbJvgqoeFSU
occhamite 9 months ago
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@occhamite Time to take this video down.
eatmyassclean 9 months ago
@occhamite watch?v=BnKlHgDBjUI
deadlyradiation 9 months ago
@deadlyradiation ???
"Buzz Aldrin Funny Man 1969 NASA Apollo Moon Landing THE LIE? "
And your point is...what?
occhamite 9 months ago
@occhamite Maybe you can't read
watch?v=803Oa0CpJ4s
deadlyradiation 9 months ago
@deadlyradiation Maybe you should find out how computers work; That's what comes up when I CUT AND PASTE the partial address you gave.
occhamite 9 months ago
@occhamite Maybe you should learn how to use a link, kid.
Radiation. Is Human Space Exploration Possible with Todays Shielding Technology
deadlyradiation 9 months ago
(2of2) a brief lunar mission entirely feasible with shielding technology that existed in the 60's. Further, Dr. Frank Cucinotta , JSC, NASA is quoted extensively! So, as always, The ct crowd tries to use NASA data to prove NASA is unreliable! Google "Sickening Solar Flares". Clearly, Dr. Cucinotta ( like all the others cited in the program) entertains no doubts the Apollo landings occurred as advertised.
occhamite 9 months ago
@deadlyradiation You're kidding, right? The program mentions "long duration stays on the lunar surface" and "missions to Mars". Short duration stays - like The Apollo landings - are an entirely different matter. The low flux of GCR, X-rays and gamma rays, together with the infrequency and PARTIAL predictability of SPE's, combine to make (cont'd)
occhamite 9 months ago
@occhamite DEADLY RADIATION, or as VAN ALLEN STATED, a SEA OF DEADLY RADIATION surrounds the Earth. You see, the guy actually had them named after him for discovering them. And since that time, NASA has discovered that the outer belts are more dangerous than previously thought. GOOGLE KILLER ELECTRONS, RADIOACTIVE moon, and quit your bluffing. It just makes you look stupid as shit!
un4g1v3n1 9 months ago
(Blashkovsky et al,) got similar results with their Zond, FM-2 missions .
That the hoaxers have been grossly distorting what J.V.A. said is clear from his early publications. See TIME magazine, May 4, 1959, and Scientific American, March 1959.
I think it’s perfectly clear to everyone BUT YOU who is “bluffing”, and who “looks like S—T”. You’re a zero buddy, you don’t even know the basics, even after all these years.
All you can do is misquote people who would call you a kook.
occhamite 9 months ago
@un4g1v3n1 wrote "DEADLY RADIATION... " my my, we do like that "Caps Lock" key, don't we? Van Allen also stated that the Apollo Hoax theory was "nonsense", and that the assertion that the Apollo Astronauts would receive a fatal VAB radiation dose was absurd.
The total doses received by Apollo crews were ~1-2 rem, and there isn't a person qualified to comment ANYWHERE who thinks otherwise. And the Russians, (cont’d)
occhamite 9 months ago
@occhamite It's called highlighting the truth! Something you know nothing of, as is evident by your continual belief in fairy tale missions that anyone with half-a-brain has already figured out!
Let me help you out. Ready. If they lied about going to the moon, then the EVIDENCE, is manufactured as well.
You should talk to the Dutch. They have a moonrock to sell you!
Dipshit!
un4g1v3n1 9 months ago
@un4g1v3n1 That's hilarious. The only people who can understand this "evidence" of yours are a few of those who lack higher education in the relevant disciplines. Knowledge has blinded the experts, EVERY ONE. The evidence is manufactured? Says who? You? Who cares! The Apollo rocks have been examined by ~ 1,000 geologists, from (cont’d)
occhamite 9 months ago
@occhamite 1,000 geologists eh? WHy don't you quit making sweeping generalizations and start putting names to paper asshole. Seriously. Because the radiologists I've spoken with are well aware of the APOLLO FRAUD...Because they understand RADIATION...and it's effect on the human body.
Your Apollo Fairy Tale DIED on blast off for the educated. It's you who suffers from ignorance of facts!
un4g1v3n1 9 months ago
@un4g1v3n1 wrote "1,000 geologists eh?..." I'll give you this much: You never fail to amuse. First, you demand " putting names to paper...", followed by the obligatory obscenity, then you claim "radiologists" support you, but provide NO NAMES of your own! I guess it's clear, yet again, who the A--H---E is.
So it's names you want? Is 1,000 or so sufficient? /user/philwebb59#p/u/39/XVxFuTf_C2o
occhamite 9 months ago
Phil Webb? LOL! Another PAN to support your PAN lies!
You're a funny little troll now aren't you?
un4g1v3n1 9 months ago
@un4g1v3n1 you don't care to checkup on the NAMES, do you? Absoluetly classic desperation move: No answer for the argument, divert attention away by attacking the person making it. Let's see you justify that dismissal of yours with some EVIDENCE.
occhamite 9 months ago
@un4g1v3n1 - 42 years and counting.
Where is the actual data that even suggests that Apollo's shielding was not good enough for the radiation that they encountered?
Sensationalized videos ... there have been plenty.
Statements about "lots of radiation". OK. Agreed.
Actual data relating the radiation to the shielding??? ...
None yet.
... maybe in another 42 years ??
nesokretep 9 months ago
@nesokretep This is my final day of corresponding to you people who prefer your fantasies to realities. Aluminum is a terrible shielding option. As a matter-of-fact, it is no option. Does your dentist put a aluminum blanket over you for a simple X-ray. I know you don't care to look truthfully at anything which shatters your lies, and delusions, but should you change your mind watch, watch?v=6aWUa5l_WNs Start at the 54 minute mark. I know how lazy trolls can be. Radiation expert testimony.
un4g1v3n1 9 months ago
@un4g1v3n1 -- You think that fragmentation is some sort of news?
The question you still fail to answer and will always fail to answer is: HOW MUCH of WHAT TYPE and ENERGY radiation would they have encountered?
And now, if you dare, you can add to that question: In "fragmentation" the particles must lose energy. How much energy do they lose? How dangerous is the resulting radiation? How much of it is there?
Also: The Apollo hull was NOT a single sheet of aluminum.
nesokretep 9 months ago
@nesokretep
You asked..."Where is the actual data that even suggests that Apollo's shielding was not good enough for the radiation that they encountered?"
I countered with testimony of a radiation shielding EXPERT. If you can't handle the truth, then shut the fuck up, and keep your delusions to yourself. Everyone else who isn't afraid of the truth, could truly give a rats ass what you think. Blocked, ignored troll 0, truthful testimony from radiation shielding expert 1
You fail!
un4g1v3n1 9 months ago
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@un4g1v3n1 -- My questions are relevant.
But you are afraid of them.
Go ahead and ignore them if you want to, though. It doesn't really matter.
nesokretep 9 months ago
@un4g1v3n1 -- Your expert's answer was incomplete. Please answer the questions:
When radiation encounters a shield and is fragmented, it is NOT POSSIBLE for the resulting fragments to each have the same energy as the original. They MUST all be of a lower intensity.
So: Please QUANTIFY the danger inside of Apollo. Quit just telling stories about it.
nesokretep 9 months ago
@un4g1v3n1 -- As I said ... 42 years and counting.
Are you some day going to have actual objective QUANTIFIED evidence?
Without that, you have no particular argument.
It would even be more honest of you if you would say: "Well, I don't really know for sure if Apollo could have gone to the moon, but my gut feeling is that the radiation was probably too strong for them to make it."
That at least would be honest.
All I want is an objevctive, quantified study instead of just a stream of words.
nesokretep 9 months ago
@un4g1v3n1 "This is my final day...." TOO funny. The Apollo CM used Aluminum, fibrous insulation, and fiberglass/epoxy as radiation shielding. There is absolutely nothing whatsoever in the video you referenced to cast doubt on Apollo. Why don't you e-mail the woman, ask her yourself? Standard hoaxer tactic: Make you own wacky interpretation of the words of experts, call it support for your position.
occhamite 9 months ago
(2of2) all over the world, for more than 40 years. The "Experts" are perfectly clear; The Apollo lunar samples came DIRECTLY from the moon, are too large and too carefully chosen to have been collected robotically, esp.w/ 60's technology. Dutch "moon rock" again? Please, don't waste my time: YT search “The Moonstone of The Netherlands - Part 1” & part 2
occhamite 9 months ago
The "Experts" are perfectly clear; The Apollo lunar samples came DIRECTLY from the moon
Red Herrings is all this troll is good for. Von Braun collected the MOON ROCKS, two years prior to Apollo 11 on his little NAZI expedition to the antarctica! Google it. Google Killer Electrons. Google RADIOACTIVE MOON. Then sit back and laugh at Ocresmite, and his PAN buddies, and their hundreds of collective sockpuppet accounts. Just like the EXPERTS laugh at the general populace for buying APOLLO!
un4g1v3n1 9 months ago
@un4g1v3n1 wrote "red Herrings...." Von Braun did not collect moon rocks. Not that it matters... If NASA wanted to fool everybody - including geologists - they'd have gotten the best GEOLOGISTS to do the fooling, and certainly not a ROCKET SCIENTIST. Would a geologist be able then, to design the best moon rocket? Any moon rocket? Readers who wants to decide for themselves;a 3-part, begins here: /user/philwebb59#p/u/43/YVe2LqgOn_U
occhamite 9 months ago
@occhamite Readers just need to watch NASA's own Apollo footage to see the truth. They don't need a troll PAN like Webb to shit on their minds!
un4g1v3n1 9 months ago
(2of2) scurries, back to the safety of his channel - where people with opposing views – and a little research on the subject under their belt – are blocked because they might BECOME a problem for him. I know – I checked – haven’t tried to post there in AGES, but I’m blocked, by this self-described ex-military Defender Of The Truth. What a laugh! What was your specialty in the Service? Retreats?
occhamite 9 months ago
@un4g1v3n1 wrote "It's called highlighting the truth....” Notice, readers, that at no time does this “dipsh-t" (his word) offer anything remotely resembling evidence, beyond outrageous misquoting of authorities on the subject (This you can easily verify for yourself). The rest of the time, it's just the same old, worn-out, self-validating assertions - circular argumentation. Then, after posting a few obscenties, off he (cont’d)
occhamite 9 months ago
Notice readers that all you have to do is go to my channel, and watch my videos to see the fraud for yourself. Listening to idiot trolls like chokamite will lead to a lower IQ, and tooth decay! Or better yet, do what chokeatrite is afraid to do. Go to the NGDC and see the major solar flares that SOLAR/ASTRO physicists agree would have killed the anots. And then go to the Apollo report, and see the LIE, that there were NO MAJOR SOLAR PARTICLE EVENTS! Another, in a long line of NASA LIES!
un4g1v3n1 9 months ago
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occhamite 9 months ago
(2of2) a "Solar Particle Event” (SPE) is a burst of SUBATOMIC PARTICLES – like protons. SPE's are very rare – occurring about once per solar cycle(~11 years).
No scientist will argue that the SOLAR FLARES listed in the NGDC table “would have killed the anauts”. Many FLARES did occur during lunar missions, but the rad dose from solar FLARES is so low, it is not of consequence. No SOLAR PARTICLE EVENTS occurred during any Apollo mission. GOOGLE “Sickening Solar Flares”.
occhamite 9 months ago
@occhamite wrote "a Solar Particle Event (SPE) is a .....SPE's are very rare...." OOPS! that first sentence is supposed to read "..... LARGE SPE's are very rare, occurring about once per solar cycle...."
Obviously, we are only concerned here with events large enough to be dangerous.
My bad!
occhamite 9 months ago
@occhamite Go to your hero Jay WIndley's website and notice how he mimics the lies of NASA's Apollo reports, with the statement that no MAJOR SOLAR FLARES occured during Apollo missions. You see, even major Tom get's it, while lying through his teeth. Yes, YOU ARE BAD. One of the most ignorant PAN's yet!
Keep on believing, maybe Santa will appear one day!
un4g1v3n1 9 months ago
@un4g1v3n1 wrote "go to you hero Jay..." I will let Jay Windley speak for himself.
As for the rest, see comment above.
occhamite 9 months ago
@un4g1v3n1 wrote "Notice readers...." Too TOO funny. That comment belongs in the Hoaxer's Stupid Comment Hall of Fame! After years and years study on the subject, you STILL haven't figured out the "solar flares" and "soalr particle events” are two different things. You equate the two, use the terms interchageably! I guess hail and rain are the same thing. Flares produce ELECTROMAGNETIC RADIATION - radio waves to gamma rays, whereas (cont'd)
occhamite 9 months ago
@occhamite A solar flare, is a solar particle event. Your diversions are becoming more desperate with every post!
You are truly an idiot!
un4g1v3n1 9 months ago
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occhamite 9 months ago
(2of2) Then search: Coronal Mass Ejection:
“A coronal mass ejection (CME) is
a massive burst of solar wind, other light isotope plasma, and magnetic fields rising above the solar corona or being released into space.[1]
Coronal mass ejections are often associated with other forms of solar activity, most notably solar flares, but a causal relationship has not been established.”
occhamite 9 months ago
@un4g1v3n1 “A solar flare…” NO, NO, NO! A solar flare is NOT an SPE!!! They are two different things: Go to your God Wiki, search Solar Flare:
“A solar flare is a sudden brightening observed over the Sun…..
They produce radiation across the electromagnetic spectrum at all wavelengths, from radio waves to gamma rays….The same energy releases may produce coronal mass ejections (CME), although the relation between CMEs and flares is still not well established” (cont’d)
occhamite 9 months ago
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occhamite 9 months ago
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@un4g1v3n1 wrote "Notice readers that all you have to do is go to my channel...." yeah! Where the opposition is blocked PREEMPTIVELY from commenting!!! It's spelled s u r r e n d e r : /watch?v=uUjIA3Rt7gk
Considering the farce you've put on here, I suppose it's understandable.
occhamite 9 months ago
@un4g1v3n1 If you were serious about looking at the facts, you wouldn't be blocked. But since you chose mockery, instead of simply acknowledging the facts, you can do that elsewhere.
Got it sport!
un4g1v3n1 9 months ago
(2of2) multiple murder etc.
The moment you begin to ”reap as ye sow”, you whine like babies.
Acknowledging the facts? What facts? Where are these names you were to provide? Don't get the impression anybody would care about being blocked by you. You videos are just a lot noise, very little data, and that grossly misused (NGDC tables for instance).
I merely point out what a hypocrite you are.
occhamite 9 months ago
@un4g1v3n1 wrote "If you were serious..." I choose mockery? Problem with your memory today? You'd better go back and check your previous comments. You're the walking dictionary of four letter words.
You hoaxers will never get it. YOU intitiated the debate – there could not be Hoax Theory debunkers unless there was FIRST a Hoax Theory to debunk.
YOU then set the tone of the debate by making charges of fraud, (cont’d)
occhamite 9 months ago
@deadlyradiation watch?v=sLCiTJ7bT9M
PSYWARORDER 9 months ago
How come they didn't say anything about the flag movement? Nothing like I brushed the flag or hey you brushed the flag or look at the flag moving?
ididnothaverelations 9 months ago
This film was made in a non-vacuum environment.
schiller2222 10 months ago
God, this whole shit is fake... Can't you people open your eyes and see the truth already?
The whole moon landing is fake. Quit sucking your governments dicks/pussies/etc. and learn to understand facts.
AndyHarglesis 10 months ago
@flag < blowing #OMG #LOL is it a #FAIL
cheddercheeseable 11 months ago
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AT :40 YOU SEE THE "ASTRONAUT" ACTUALLY WALK THROUGH THE FLAG. ITS A GLITCH. MOON LANDING WAS FAKE! PLEASE RESPOND TO THIS IF YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH MY STATEMENT.
Mavericks411991 11 months ago
@Mavericks411991 MOON LANDING IS FAKE
bennybeenthere 11 months ago
Don't forget the easy proof of it's a hoax, the missing delay between Houston and the "Moon" it makes the Moon hoaxsters desperate, they can't debunk it.
kennjohnsen 11 months ago
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@kennjohnsen ..."Don't forget the easy proof of it's a hoax, the missing delay between Houston and the "Moon" it makes the Moon hoaxsters desperate, they can't debunk it. "
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Don't forget what a silly boy nonsekenn is, still clinging to his "delay" farce like a little boy clings to his Mommy's leg.
teddysalad65 11 months ago
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Excellent piece of work! Thank you very much for Sharing!
What a way of meeting people and get to see their talent. At first was reluctant being on youtube, but getting to do this has brought me into the houses of some very special people. You are one of them. Life; isn't it wonderful!
Keep up the good work. Hope You Are Having A Splendid Day!
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erickdircks 11 months ago
geez let's just ignor the part where ther is no air to slow it down....
jannikmt 1 year ago
@jannikmt < ignor #FAIL
cheddercheeseable 11 months ago
You are all a bunch of dipshitz. Just kidding really.
LetusgoViral 1 year ago
Morons rejoice.. You have a confederacy of idiots that actually agree with you the the moon landings were real.
one4technique 1 year ago
@one4technique Are you retarded or just funnin ?
connaladrain 1 year ago
I like the slow-mo at 2:17
fanbutton 1 year ago 3
JunitedWeFall 1 year ago
That's crazy as hell man. Does wind blow on the moon? I didn't think there was any air on the moon.
TheDroidRoid 1 year ago
Kids thinking they know physics.
The flag cloth has some small momentum which given that there is no drag from surrounding atmosphere and gravity is quite weak, it takes a while to worn out.
jceiras 1 year ago
@jceiras Can you tell us kids what made the flag move in the first place?
toplesshottub 1 year ago
@toplesshottub gezz he DIDEN'T hold it in his hand ... o wait....
jannikmt 1 year ago
@jannikmt Huh what oh never mind... oh wait ... yeah never mind
MeNofPlaStic 11 months ago
@jannikmt APOLLO WAS FAKE
bennybeenthere 11 months ago
@jannikmt He held it in his hand? Are we talking about the same thing or are repressed memories starting to surface? He walked by the flag he didn't touch it. What made the flag move? I'm not promoting any moon conspiracy I'm asking why it moved when he walked by it.
toplesshottub 11 months ago
@toplesshottub...how do you know he didn't touch it? Were you the 4th member of Apollo 15 that no one knew about? Do you have an amazing story to tell us? Did you happen to notice that the flag didn't move one single micron until the astronaut went past? Do you think that's a co-incidence? Do you think much at all?
teddysalad65 11 months ago
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@teddysalad65 Must be one of those people nuff said.
JunitedWeFall 11 months ago
@teddysalad65 Are you one of THOSE people? Must be. nuff said
JunitedWeFall 11 months ago
@teddyshitsalad < SHILLS < SHILL
bennybeenthere 11 months ago
@teddysalad65 Yeah I had box seats.
toplesshottub 11 months ago
@toplesshottub ...then where are the pictures? How do you expect us to believe that you had box seats if you offer no pictures as proof! I'm very suspicious of your claim young man!
teddysalad65 10 months ago
@teddysalad65 OK you got me it was all fake. Nobody went to the moon.
toplesshottub 10 months ago
@jannikmt hi residual movement and electro statics remember e are in space here ther is no air to stop the flag that fast and gravity on the moon is a lot weaker...
jannikmt 10 months ago
Did the air condition on the moon run on bateries to.
NASA CRIMINAL GOVERNMENT
FAKE MOON LANDING STUUDIO
nasafaketit 1 year ago
All the video suggestions are hoax videos #LOL
cheddercheeseable 1 year ago
The flag is not 'blowing' in the wind. There are others reasons why the flag would move. If you try real hard I bet you can come up with a few. Go ahead, give it a try, it won't hurt.
24solarcycle 1 year ago
@McShill The comment I deleted earlier still applies. From this camera angle we cannot see whether the astronaut brushes the flag as he walk by or not.
Inconclusive evidence either way.
Did you count the significant solar events in the NOAA data (for each mission)? I see only one for the Apollo 11 mission. Haven't looked at the others yet...
-peace-
cliffspc 1 year ago
@cliffspc ....The hoaxers who are still caught up on the flag, the stars, and who filmed Armstrong stepping off the ladder are just wasting your time. You have a a questionable habit of being too nice on these threads ;) sometimes you just need to tell people to fuck off, thats pretty much what most of them came here for.
teddysalad65 1 year ago
@teddysalad65 All fluff aside what made the fricking flag move?
justinbeavercleaver 1 year ago
@teddysalad65 I will extend the same civility I receive, no matter what someones beliefs are. If discussing/debating fairly is considered questionable, I can live with that...
cliffspc 1 year ago
@teddysalad65 Why are you being a crabcake?
justinbeavercleaver 1 year ago
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@teddysalad65 shit for brains
You are a low life retarded propaganda shill TROLL
who has been spamming trash on this video for 3 years fuckhead
What are you going to do when the revolution comes to the US?
The US criminal government will not employ a reatd like you as an informer
Educate your sick retarded brain you fucking lying monkey
nasafaketit 1 year ago
@teddysalad65 Forget the flag and stars what about the dangers of space radiation? Space radiation has sufficient energy to change or break DNA molecules. Do you know what that means?
PSYWARORDER 1 year ago
@PSYWARORDER it means that the space suits are suited for being outside their vehicles for a limited amount of time.
jceiras 1 year ago
@jceiras That is one dumb answer. Does it pacify you? You think they should wear those magic suits to clean up Japan?
PSYWARORDER 11 months ago
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@PSYWARORDER "Forget the flag and stars what about the dangers of space radiation? Space radiation has sufficient energy to change or break DNA molecules. Do you know what that means?"
You could make several videos explaining what the radiation in space is like, and the idiots who blindly worship NASA would still never GET IT!
un4g1v3n1 1 year ago
@cliffspc Pick those things you can't explain and find out how to explain them. That's what I did and found no answers but more questions. Something is wrong with the moon landing story.
TheSeekerDude 1 year ago
Is this XYZ?
NASANAZIRACE 1 year ago
The flag is not blowing it's moving because the astronaut's elbow brushed against the flag.
Ageofinformation 1 year ago
You women will never work this out. Now go make me something to eat lovely. ;d lololololololzz
jgGiantjg 1 year ago
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Nasa hoax of the century
NASA PROPAGANDA
nasafaketit 1 year ago
Granted nasa went to the moon
thatstwo24thepriceof 1 year ago
The proof is in the pudding. Google LRO Apollo landing sites.
12square144 1 year ago
FAKE MOON STUDIO
bennybeenthere 1 year ago
Thumbs up if you like this video :P
MattBlytheTheOne 1 year ago 23
@MattBlytheTheOne
I like this video
Thumbs up
bennybeenthere 11 months ago
REAL FLAG FAKE MOON
Thanks for the link and revealing upload.
bennybeenthere 1 year ago
Do any of you realize there is actually a THIN atmosphere on the moon? This would especially be the case in actively disturbed areas. Gravity means some atmosphere. Compared to Earth, it is a virtual vacuum, but the moon actually has more of an atmosphere than Mercury is suspected of having.
The moon may even have the occasional dust storm!
Research people :-)
looncraz 1 year ago
@looncraz You think a dust storm is moving the flag? Where do you do your research?
beefytomato 1 year ago
@beefytomato Didn't say a dust storm moved the flag, merely stated the fact that there is an atmosphere ( albeit a very thin one ) on the moon, which means there can be isolated pockets of greater atmosphere and thus winds.
The hoax supporters believe the moon is a vacuum, which is wrong. They also believe we couldn't travel through the Van Allen radiation belts, which I have found to be false. You get about a 6 mo dose of normal radiation exposure for the entire trip. Not good - not fatal..
looncraz 1 year ago
@looncraz You are saying moon wind moves the flag? There is a tiny atmosphere on the moon but no wind like on earth. Static winds but not heat driven airflow.
2headscostmorethan1 1 year ago
@beefytomato I suggest you google 'atmosphere on the moon.' Also the Van Allen radiation belts. You will find that they are 13,000 km combined thickness, at the thickest, and if you are traveling 28,000 km/h you are exposed for less than half an hour in each direction... to a 2500REM/year radiation density... which is like 200 mRem exposure, which isn't very dangerous, but you may notice some effects.
I've been working on this topic for a couple days now after watching a few pro-hoax videos.
looncraz 1 year ago
@looncraz The VAB can't be limited to a normalcy or average it changes all the time do to ever changing cosmic conditions
2headscostmorethan1 1 year ago
@2headscostmorethan1 The VARB radiation level is the observed average for a year of exposure passing from the inner to outer belts on an elliptical orbit, providing a relatively accurate average exposure estimate of 2500 REM/year.
30 minutes of exposure to this environment isn't good for you, but it is not fatal as many suggest. One must also take average density into account, which is actually very low - the radiation is very scattered, with some more intense areas. Getting through is easy.
looncraz 1 year ago
@2headscostmorethan1 The Russians were not willing to take the risk, and the Americans were. I'd like to think this reflects more accurate knowledge regarding the danger of radiation in the VARBs, but I feel it may have simply been the 'consequences be damned' American attitude... Though I think we had more accurate knowledge, having the raw data from the four missions that traversed the region, versus the single Russian mission ( Luna 1 ). We got lucky is all...
looncraz 1 year ago
@looncraz Don't need to I know about the thin atmosphere on the moon. It doesn't cause wind like you are thinking.
beefytomato 1 year ago
@beefytomato If that had been on Earth, the thick atmosphere would have provided drag and friction and the flag would have ceased moving much sooner. The thin atmosphere enabled the extended movement. The initial movement could be caused by many factors in a non-but near-vacuum environment. Gasses attracted by static energy to the astronaut, or even vortexes caused by the movement itself. Some areas on the moon have more atmosphere than others-and landing sites would have more gas-from us.
looncraz 1 year ago
@looncraz he is also breathing oxygen and assuming he is expelling from his space suit, I mean you wouldn't want to breathing fart gas for long would you? hahaha ha!
MattBlytheTheOne 1 year ago
@MattBlytheTheOne You got it!! We may enjoy our own sauce for a short while, but certainly not for THAT long! Not to mention all those gasses we exhale... a nice silent, but smelly, death....
looncraz 1 year ago
@looncraz dude you speak for your own swamp gas, mine arn't that bad, in fact the sun shines out of mine :D welcome to the light side ....
MattBlytheTheOne 1 year ago
@looncraz If that had been on Earth, the thick atmosphere would have provided drag and friction and the flag would have ceased moving much sooner. LOL FUCKING MOONTARD REASONING (but total horseshit)
why do all you assholes TRY to speak scientifically when you can't even SPELL?
ed11561 1 year ago
@ed11561 Sh*t man don't bust a blood vessel.
SuperHulkgreen 1 year ago
@looncraz In my computer room with the ac on my curtain sometimes moves on the corner like the flag in the video. It oscillates like the flag. Nothing moved it but a change in wind current. It does that in mid ac cycle - when the fan has been running around half the time for that cycle. It doesn't do it every time or at any set time. I notice it late at night when all is still and quite. It is a condition that can happen on earth indoors.
beefytomato 1 year ago
@beefytomato My point is not that it is not replicable on Earth, but that it can in fact occur on the moon. This prevents this from being smoking gun evidence - for which I am searching.
There are many issues with the lunar landings. From minor footage oddities, wild temperature swings, missing blast craters, 'clean' crew module launch from the surface, radiation, and much more. NASA had plenty of time and funds to work around many problems, so I must give benefit of the doubt to them. Fun.
looncraz 1 year ago
@looncraz NASA can't go above LEO
Take your meds retard.
nasafaketit 10 months ago
@nasafaketit They can so. Very easily, in fact.
You are referring, I imagine, to the Van Allen Radiation Belts, right?
The trajectory was planned to avoid the densest parts of the belts to limit exposure. The radiation was measured to not be dangerous on 'dry-runs,' prior to Apollo 11 as well.
We knew what we were getting into, but the Russians lacked the means to attain the knowledge needed in a timely enough fashion to compete, and their earliest findings were flawed and scared them...
looncraz 10 months ago
@looncraz What dry runs what you mean dry runs
Take your medications
they need to lock you up somewhere safew
nasafaketit 10 months ago
@nasafaketit
Ugh.. I hate feeding trolls ( idiots like you who have nothing better to do than to throw insults at people whom they know nothing about ).
I'm not here to educate you, merely to aide you in finding the information yourself, and really I'm only here as an information seeker...
Research Apollo 10. That mission is considered a dry run by anyone worth their grit intellectually.
You know, like when you send a multi-billion dollar space-craft to the moon without any direct benefit.
looncraz 10 months ago
@looncraz Apollo 10 was a dry run so were the rest. No men inside.
nasafaketit 10 months ago
@nasafaketit Very good.
At least that is the official story... One theory is that Apollo 10 wasn't actually a dry run but was an actual attempt, which may have even been successful. This would then qualify as a "shadow mission.' This would go a long way into explaining why so much evidence supports NASA covering up aspects of the missions.
That and not wanting to admit that the film from the moon was damaged and unusable... could you imagine the mess of not being able to bring back images?
looncraz 10 months ago
@looncraz No men inside any apollo
nasafaketit 10 months ago
@nasafaketit That is certainly possible, but I believe the accidentally released film which suggests there were men inside, just not every mission actually went to the moon.
I think we did it once, and faked the rest. Or we did every time, but had to fake things because of film damage.
The only thing I know:
There is some solid evidence we went to the moon, at least once. Which is to say some actions can't be faked on earth.
And some good evidence to the contrary. No smoking guns though..
looncraz 10 months ago
@looncraz "there is some solid evidence we went to the moon, at least once" like what? (serious question) im curious
sebaz1982 10 months ago
@sebaz1982 Does this change your mind?
def-logic*com/articles/lunarlanding.html
braeunig*us/space/hoax.htm
pirlwww*lpl*arizona*edu/~jscotti/NOT_faked/
xXxXxJohnsonxXxXx 10 months ago
@xXxXxJohnsonxXxXx who said i made up my mind? im just merely asking... easy, easy my american friend. dont pull the trigger yet please. no wmd here, nor at the moon, if thats of any help!? thanks for these links though, i will check them out.
sebaz1982 10 months ago
@sebaz1982 Don't be a drama queen. Look at the information make up your mind.
xXxXxJohnsonxXxXx 10 months ago
@xXxXxJohnsonxXxXx nah no drama here. stop telling other people what to think and use your own brains. helping people and exchange ideas/information, sure! but keep ur hands home got it? thanks.
sebaz1982 10 months ago
@sebaz1982 I'm not telling you what to think I'm telling you to think. Only an uneducated sucker would think NASA faked the landings and left film around to prove it was fake. What you see that don't match what you expect to see is not proof of forgery. I'm telling you to think got it? Did you look at the links I posted did it change your mind?
xXxXxJohnsonxXxXx 10 months ago
@xXxXxJohnsonxXxXx change my mind? you really dont get it do you? if you would stop being so stubborn and agressive in your thinking you would know better and have way better communicaton, more friendly too. but anyway; Thank you for the links again. as I said before; i am studying them carefully (while researching at the same time). you cant just go over this in 5 min and make your judgement....
sebaz1982 10 months ago
@sebaz1982 I'm not being stubborn and aggressive. If you haven't made up your mind you should be researching and not telling what you think happened. When you are sure what happened start telling people. You wouldn't want to lie to people (intentionally or unintentionally) would you?
wired*com/wiredscience/2009/07/apollo11science/
xXxXxJohnsonxXxXx 9 months ago
@xXxXxJohnsonxXxXx Excuuusssseee me???? Do not ever again tell me what i should and should not. i can 'make up my mind' when i want to, on my own watch, on my own tempo. besides, even if i die undecided, would this affect u? oh and mixing myself in debates and telling what i think, regardless of the fact, is impossible? get ur hands off me. enough with all these links. i got enough. if i want to see more, i know how to use google. u shouldnt be talking about the moon, u need to live there. BYE.
sebaz1982 9 months ago
@sebaz1982 You don't want links to peer reviewed documents? Would you rather spout off uneducated thoughts with no backing?
xXxXxJohnsonxXxXx 9 months ago
@xXxXxJohnsonxXxXx I want you to leave me alone and stop spamming my email inbox. go apply for a dr.phil audience or something. 'spout off uneducated thoughts with no backing' ... i feel sorry for you. not the brightest and most handsome of the class huh? i will continue this whole moon landing discussion with nice, interesting, smart and friendly people. you take care.
sebaz1982 9 months ago
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