@Ilikemustard Well sure, but games aren't really what they're talking about here. There have been loads of really successful games which have been made by just one or two people working very hard, but with huge software projects for commercial use (read: other companies will use them) the complexity is much, much higher.
This isn't to say games programming is easy, rather it's to say that games programming permits an environment in which the user interaction is more predictable.
The value or the cost to upgrade an economy increases with the times. What kind of morals is this? Without value we can do far more. WIthout a national debt, we can do far more, prove me wrong.. Is it dangerous to do far more? If it is far more of the best of products. Ones that will last long, no competition, ones that are affordable to anyone, because it's about transitioning, not about if the economy can afford to. That will make plenty of stalls. Prove me wrong.
Elite industries like the tobacco companies get to make their fame by selling products that will make future burdens on the economy. Warning signs are a waste when regulating can do far more and we have been aware of this from day one.
To eliminate elitism, is to eliminate the growing imbalances in the world through the value of things. We need to give people equal value, we need to have jobs balanced with one another when it comes to work-load and we need to have balanced wages. Because everyone is important and there's too much room for failure, that's gotta change. It's the biggest burdens on the economy. Let me give you one example, wasteful spending on military. Failure. Lots of room for it though!
If they considered Zuckerberg a genius, then that makes me 10 times to genius of anyone working for Google. Especially Scott Rubin. Scott is an idiot, he should have made the toilet paper instead. It's actually good.
I disagree with a quote in this video: add anonymity to the mix, and everyone is elite. It takes more than that. Second of all, I don't think that word should even exist to icon human beings. To evolve is to create more balance, not elitism. It takes more than anonymity, just because you don't know who it is, does not make everyone elite. Still an excellent video with very good points!
@luc59457 When you add anonymity to the mix everyone is elite at some point. Everyone will do/say something pseudo genius, and will be viewed as elite for it, but also fail and say wrong things, but that doesn't tarnish they're elite statement/action because there's no way to link them. Anonymity lets people fail or succeed, and get only viewed for a single action at a time. So of course Anonymity doesn't inherently make you a genius, rather is allows you to be one(when normally impossible).
Anonymity and elite are two separate words. Anonymity does not make everyone elite, but it does make everyone (who participates) equal in that small way. The majority of human views are distorted and differ from one another. that is why we have government and leaders, but remember, they are only human too. We don't need elite or anonymity to make the world a better place. We need better balance and relatively equality
@ghghghggfgffgtp0 and leaders to regulate industry so they can't sell 1000 cigarettes to some chain smoker that dies in a year (just one of many examples). It is true that it is the choice of the person, but it's also the choice of that industry. It's really bad how things work right now. I don't know where to start.
I'm not saying my view is the right one, I'm not full of myself, I'll leave it to you to decide.
@ghghghggfgffgtp0 Single action at a time is too slow. And what you said about link them... There's no way to link them to elite because they are anonymous. I think being right or wrong, succeeding or failing should have nothing to do with elite. You don't need anonymity to eliminate elitism. You just need to eliminate elitism, as simple as that! Why add something to eliminate something else.. Sounds pretty inefficient to me, when you can take the direct route and eliminate that ideology.
@deamon689 Actually no, it was designed by a single person. The code was completely and independently written by him until he hired another programmer to help work on the game.
People come and people go, but who wrote the code and who will know? Its only a matter of time before, we all write code on some distant shore.... (great talk, humility is definitely the key to future social transcendence)
If we could all work on opensource that would be great, but at some point you need to barter for physical resources.
So straight away you're into the difficulties of heirarchies. the contradiction of "co-operate to compete".
Who in their right mind would commit to writing code in a context where they are making themselves disposable.. unless they've got no choice (debt-slaves forced to accept the direction of capital holders)
Perhaps you can sometimes only achieve "first or best" with the 'one-man-in-a-cave' pioneering approach (perspiration as much as inspiration of course). You can work more efficiently that way when you're not needing to document etc.
Distributed version control is a big step forward though.
in my experience, its managers (arbitrating between coders) that have the most to gain from a herd of 'sheeple' programmers.
Be a good little sheep, work in a way that makes you disposable ...
I looked it up: Toothbrush means spazzolino da denti, Knife means coltello, anche, ferri, misuratore or rasoio. Noone mixes those up. The story is fake.
The reason for not sharing is the hope that one day you can earn money with your code. If you give it for free, who will donate? A few people if any.
So you spend a lot of time creating your own code. Giving it for free means that other people can use it and put it on top of what they have written so far. So they save time and you get nothing back. It is not pride. It is earning money, surviving ultimately.
I have been working on programming for over 13 years and liked the talk. The problem is not about individuality, socialism, or even being a genius, but thinking you are a genius when you are not. There's A LOT of developers who think they are super smart when they are just ordinary guys. And no reality check can convince then otherwise. Unfortunately, when it comes to computing this kind of attitude can mean the failure of projects.
Regarding Bush, top US universities like Harvard, Yale and Stanford are ruled by elitism since their foundation.
This elitism is two fold: it's based on people who are part of the INTELLECTUAL ELITE (that is, a genius or gifted or good student) as well as to someone who comes from the WEALTHY ELITE, like Bush, who can pay for their education. And the university will pay (scholarships, etc) for the genius ones to take part in. This is the way things are. And no, Bush is not a genius.
An 8th grader is currently the sole developer of the best selling app on the App Store but that doesn't make him s programming legend. It's the idea that makes a project as successful as Google, and people that come up with that idea are generally geniuses,
actually I believe that its going to come the time when programmers will be the people who uses wheelchairs. Stephen hawking don't use his legs and is a great scientist. I don't use my legs to program. Might be that there are a big number of programmers better than me that do not use their.
@dennis3380 - why don't you go suck his knob and get it over with. Zuckerberg isn't a "genius" programmer like the movie portrays......"32 hour coding tears".....please!!! He used simple php and database methods to create a website....not a big deal in terms of programming. The genius in Zuckerberg was not his pogramming skills, it was his way of taking ideas (...from others but I won't use the term "stealing" here) and combining them to create a useful SERVICE. You missed the whole point.
@DeLL116 In entertainment it takes those words to brainwash. In entertainment, if you have a bad image, donate money, money talks. Sad world. If you have a bad image in entertainment, find some gay looking guy that is willing to talk gay and it will automatically influence the sheep masses to vote for the guy that looks better. Look at the 2 oldspice guys on youtube right now. A classic example! It works too! The black guy was starting to loose his spice so he needed corny fabio to help!
Genius people are only rare at Google. Head down to 1 Infinite Loop and you'll find a bunch of genius programmers. Seriously, there are times for collaboration and there are times to work alone. The problem I have with the ideas presented here is that they are rooted in a socialist (you're not unique) mentality. The fact is we are all unique and distinctly creative. We only lose this when we ignore our egos and trade our humanity for acceptance.
Nice talk guys. Despite talking about the ideal thing, it can be applied in the real world. I've just seen two examples of starting something and calling people in: one in software and one doing crosswords ;)
hey guys i'm a foreign student here in the U.S planning to become a computer programmer but i don't know where to start i also don't know anything about computers. Can u guys give me some tips i'll appreciate for that.
It was really nice presentation u guys are great and u inspired me.
@Saidd1234 I would recommend starting off with Python. It's easy to learn and very useful (it's used by Google!). There are many great tutorials on the Internet, including many on Youtube. Try thenewboston.
@24:45 - "if someone reports a bug it's nice to have a way to get back to them"
So can we expect to see that on Android market anytime soon? It's a annoying to have comments on an app that you can't respond to without changing the description of your application.
i use git rebase regularly for legitimate reasons eg. applying subsets of patches from a dev branch onto stage branch, and rebasing onto upstream branches before pushing to avoid needless merge history. but never to hide anything :)
look at the guy on the right, why wear an old wrinkly button up with a shirt under it that doesn't match. He can't realize that he looks unkempt and stupid
@david44454 If you would have followed the talk you'd know, that code is not written in front of a mirror in good light, it is written in caves! By cavemen!
@krxlprnft let the cavemen rule the night. we will only come out of our dark caves when the old diurnal order crumbles. We are pushed into the night, taking refuge from the egotistical day worshipers that monopolize the sunlight with their "i am better than you attitude". from the night came the evolution of human intelligence and the future of daylight shall be ours
Keep in mind these "fail early, fail often" guys got completely schooled by Linus Torvalds, a genius programmer who annihilated Subversion with git. He maintains a clear hierarchy over git and the widely popular Linux kernel (which he initially made himself). What's the "bus factor" on Linus?
This talk really pisses me off. I don't avoid working with other coders because I'm afraid of looking like an idiot. I don't like working with them because they are stupid and try to design things in a way I don't want to. These guys are mediocre and so believe everyone must be mediocre. Anyone who latches onto a coding community is a joke.
@ediblepet This is exactly what they are talking about....You just said you don't want to work with other 'coders' because they are "stupid". Well I appolgise sir, you are a genus, and I will step aside and let you stay in your cave.....Or what I like to call "THE C0DE CAVE"
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" If you really knew anything about economics you'd be an anarchist (aka capitalist), not a communist. Solviet-style central planning creates misery; while prosperity is really nothing more than the absense of government. "
All this talk about crushing the ego and being ok with vulnerability runs contrary to how society organizes itself. It's also feminine.
@JLPWstuff Google Tech Talks & similar are often cover some of the most interesting subjects in the industry, commonly by some of the smartest people in the industry. If you can't comprehend listing to intelligent people talk for a mere hour, I might suggest that this field (and indeed, any job more complicated that food service or road construction) isn't for you.
There is an old Chinese idiom reminescent of that metaphorical "cave" ("... genius goes off in a cave ...") they speak of : "Building a cart behind closed doors" (Google it !)
But personally I don't lust after being seen as a genius. I do however get really annoyed by plagiarism at work. If you write some code that is 99% there then someone spots a bug, fixes it then claims to have written the whole lot and celebrated for it.
I want to get recognition for the good stuff that I have done.
^ THIS is the real problem with coding and collaboration. I totally understand your point, but it's prohibitive in progress like they pointed out numerous times throughout the video.
Hmm, I think Linus Torvalds is a genius... To write an Operating System in 6 months having only 1 year of C experience it's an unbelievable thing... Ye, he made it based on Minix OS, but still... in 6 months with 1 year C experience? GENIUS.
If Google does not know that word I'd like to copy some parts of Google Earth's code plz !
Finally, writing your code by yourself makes you love your code more and when you die your code "dies" too, making it impossible for others to use it for purposes you wouldn't like them to.
"TO ALL PEOPLE WHO ARE READING THIS : DOSE THE ELECTRICITY OF BRAIN CAN BE HACKED VIA SOME TECHNOLOGY? Can ANY Microwaves or ELF Waves Manipulate the Electricity of the brain?
My Clear Question : Do some people Reading OUR MINDS And manipulating our subconscious regions of mind-brain via having the electricity of our brain in thier computers?
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The real geniuses I believe are those who rose to dictatorships or leadership such as Obama.
the "Human being" is one of the most "sophisticated computers" in the world, Those who can control those "sophisticated computers" and even cause those computers to serve them..... THOSE ARE THE REAL GENIUSES!
Most Harvard Business school tend to have an IQ level either on gifted or genius.
Just because the media makes politicians look dumb doesnt mean they are.
Saying so is just an act of ignorance. How to test intelligence, get an IQ test. Harvard does it every year with their students to ensure success and mastery.
@Mu5clehead i never said politicians are dumb, im just saying just cuz bush went to harvard doesn't mean he's a genius. im just saying politics could've been involved with bush
@Mu5clehead It's no doubt that Bush is, in fact, intelligent, but people who go to Harvard usually come from a rich family, and they probably attended private schools that cost as much as college. Also, most members in congress are millionaires. It's not that "they're" smart, they just pay a good amount for a waaaaay better education.
@Mu5clehead But what you might not be aware of is that Bush was a C student. His last name is the only thing that really got him in and kept him there
I think that the myth is not a falsehood. I think that
genius code is possible. I know that in many late night sessions of writing code I entered a zone where it was like entering the Matrix and I was coding like Mozart composing music. The next day I had no idea what my code was doing - only that it worked. Also, genius exists. So I think that the true point of the lecture was try to play down the fact that a small minority of programmers can crush all other programmers. Talent and desire.
And as I near the end of a 25 year programming career I lament the fact that it is not an engineering discipline. Most folks that took computer science classes have forgotten that the word science was involved, and instead everybody runs with fad, and gut instinct.
I think they are using ego as a synonym for an inflated feeling of pride in your superiority to others; not as in the meaning having self-confidence or a belief in your own worth. As they admit, The Genius Programmer is a straw man for them to make the point that most great software is the result of a group effort of smart people who exchange ideas.
Exactly. To be selfless without concern for oneself is actually to neglect oneself, which is evil. To be totally selfish without concern for others is also evil. That's what I meant by that we need to be concerned BOTH about ourselves (ego) AND others at the same time.
Dude, 99% of people are by default selfish - meaning they have an ego. This guys are trying to balance programmers by showing them the other side (care for others). So essentially their case it good and is in the middle.
The ego is needed. Without it we would have no individuality and only have a 'service to others' Borg hive mind. In the video they present it as an either-or situation, which is not very intelligent. Actually it's completely wrong.
individuality is great if you are the only one on the planet, but if you are using the TOILET.....BREATHING AIR.....CONSUMING VALUABLE RESOURCES.... ETC..(contributing to earth's resource depletion, pollution, ect), It is YOUR DUTY as a HUMAN PARASITE, to work with all the other HUMAN PARASITES to figure out a better way to be harmonious with the earth and the universe!
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Individuality is a must. Or else all of humanity becomes one hive mind, only able to think as one unit. No individuality. No integrity. No sovereignty. Being selfless and being selfish are both bad separately. We need both to become integrated.
Often in politics compromises are needed between different individual wills. That's fine, but it's only a first step towards integration between being selfish and being selfless. In true integration, the clash of wills is transcended above the friction of conflicts. Easier said than done in practice though. :D
LOL. Except the whole philosophy of Nazis like you is that a a handful of people (i.e. the government) know how to allocate resources better than society (aka the free market) as a whole.
Gotcha Hitler: youre a schizophrenic. If you really knew anything about economics you'd be an anarchist (aka capitalist), not a communist. Solviet-style central planning creates misery; while prosperity is really nothing more than the absense of government.
The question is whether you can be assertive without being an asshole, and the answer is yes and no: no, internally, it's not easy to make people not think selfishly; yes, externally, it's possible to make them behave more maturely and nicely. I think this is where the semantic difference comes up.
I think the speakers know that this duality exists; they just use the blanket term "genius" for rhetorical effect.
Plenty of people that I think are absolute geniuses are also very modest people.
This clip is like a Will Ferrell movie. It's light and fluffy and strays from the topic at the first opportunity (DRM? SubVersion?) but that's OK by me as long as you're entertaining.
Are you guys telling me there's not a single genius at Google?
I love this talk!
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mattray0295 2 weeks ago
11:20
Minecraft comes to mind.
Ilikemustard 1 month ago
@Ilikemustard Well sure, but games aren't really what they're talking about here. There have been loads of really successful games which have been made by just one or two people working very hard, but with huge software projects for commercial use (read: other companies will use them) the complexity is much, much higher.
This isn't to say games programming is easy, rather it's to say that games programming permits an environment in which the user interaction is more predictable.
BGH122 1 week ago
so i conclude that the myth of Google success is pornography
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r8s19 4 months ago
Very true.
Puwal 5 months ago
The value or the cost to upgrade an economy increases with the times. What kind of morals is this? Without value we can do far more. WIthout a national debt, we can do far more, prove me wrong.. Is it dangerous to do far more? If it is far more of the best of products. Ones that will last long, no competition, ones that are affordable to anyone, because it's about transitioning, not about if the economy can afford to. That will make plenty of stalls. Prove me wrong.
luc59457 6 months ago
Elite industries like the tobacco companies get to make their fame by selling products that will make future burdens on the economy. Warning signs are a waste when regulating can do far more and we have been aware of this from day one.
luc59457 6 months ago
To eliminate elitism, is to eliminate the growing imbalances in the world through the value of things. We need to give people equal value, we need to have jobs balanced with one another when it comes to work-load and we need to have balanced wages. Because everyone is important and there's too much room for failure, that's gotta change. It's the biggest burdens on the economy. Let me give you one example, wasteful spending on military. Failure. Lots of room for it though!
luc59457 6 months ago
and screw you about spelling mistakes, I still get my points across ROFL!
luc59457 6 months ago
If they considered Zuckerberg a genius, then that makes me 10 times to genius of anyone working for Google. Especially Scott Rubin. Scott is an idiot, he should have made the toilet paper instead. It's actually good.
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luc59457 6 months ago
I disagree with a quote in this video: add anonymity to the mix, and everyone is elite. It takes more than that. Second of all, I don't think that word should even exist to icon human beings. To evolve is to create more balance, not elitism. It takes more than anonymity, just because you don't know who it is, does not make everyone elite. Still an excellent video with very good points!
luc59457 6 months ago
@luc59457 When you add anonymity to the mix everyone is elite at some point. Everyone will do/say something pseudo genius, and will be viewed as elite for it, but also fail and say wrong things, but that doesn't tarnish they're elite statement/action because there's no way to link them. Anonymity lets people fail or succeed, and get only viewed for a single action at a time. So of course Anonymity doesn't inherently make you a genius, rather is allows you to be one(when normally impossible).
ghghghggfgffgtp0 6 months ago
@ghghghggfgffgtp0
Anonymity and elite are two separate words. Anonymity does not make everyone elite, but it does make everyone (who participates) equal in that small way. The majority of human views are distorted and differ from one another. that is why we have government and leaders, but remember, they are only human too. We don't need elite or anonymity to make the world a better place. We need better balance and relatively equality
luc59457 6 months ago
@ghghghggfgffgtp0 and leaders to regulate industry so they can't sell 1000 cigarettes to some chain smoker that dies in a year (just one of many examples). It is true that it is the choice of the person, but it's also the choice of that industry. It's really bad how things work right now. I don't know where to start.
I'm not saying my view is the right one, I'm not full of myself, I'll leave it to you to decide.
luc59457 6 months ago
@ghghghggfgffgtp0 Single action at a time is too slow. And what you said about link them... There's no way to link them to elite because they are anonymous. I think being right or wrong, succeeding or failing should have nothing to do with elite. You don't need anonymity to eliminate elitism. You just need to eliminate elitism, as simple as that! Why add something to eliminate something else.. Sounds pretty inefficient to me, when you can take the direct route and eliminate that ideology.
luc59457 6 months ago
Google really need to learn about audio
deamon689 6 months ago
11:19
It's called Minecraft.
BasseltheGreat 7 months ago
@BasseltheGreat It was designed in a team.
deamon689 6 months ago
@deamon689 Actually no, it was designed by a single person. The code was completely and independently written by him until he hired another programmer to help work on the game.
BasseltheGreat 6 months ago
@BasseltheGreat until, so not completely.
luc59457 6 months ago
I am the genius programmer
projectbrumaire 7 months ago
I want to report a bug at 27:55..
AvidAngels 7 months ago 2
these guys are so awkward
sitandrelax 8 months ago
@sitandrelax virgins
dwaynedibbly 7 months ago
People come and people go, but who wrote the code and who will know? Its only a matter of time before, we all write code on some distant shore.... (great talk, humility is definitely the key to future social transcendence)
MrGodkid 8 months ago
Good talk! Learned a lot from it.
MitchDC2 8 months ago
If we could all work on opensource that would be great, but at some point you need to barter for physical resources.
So straight away you're into the difficulties of heirarchies. the contradiction of "co-operate to compete".
Who in their right mind would commit to writing code in a context where they are making themselves disposable.. unless they've got no choice (debt-slaves forced to accept the direction of capital holders)
walter0bz 9 months ago
Perhaps you can sometimes only achieve "first or best" with the 'one-man-in-a-cave' pioneering approach (perspiration as much as inspiration of course). You can work more efficiently that way when you're not needing to document etc.
Distributed version control is a big step forward though.
in my experience, its managers (arbitrating between coders) that have the most to gain from a herd of 'sheeple' programmers.
Be a good little sheep, work in a way that makes you disposable ...
walter0bz 9 months ago
My brain crack represents all numbers in fibonacci code and binary, it hurts.
197022007 9 months ago
You don't need to be 20 years old to know what CVS is :P
197022007 9 months ago
I looked it up: Toothbrush means spazzolino da denti, Knife means coltello, anche, ferri, misuratore or rasoio. Noone mixes those up. The story is fake.
Moratorium 9 months ago
The reason for not sharing is the hope that one day you can earn money with your code. If you give it for free, who will donate? A few people if any.
So you spend a lot of time creating your own code. Giving it for free means that other people can use it and put it on top of what they have written so far. So they save time and you get nothing back. It is not pride. It is earning money, surviving ultimately.
Moratorium 9 months ago 2
who can help me analyse the cost and implimentation of crerating a news portal . cheaper but good service?
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I'd like to slit the fat one's throat and cum down his miserable gullet.
valdezmiguel2 9 months ago
Im at the other end of the scale, a stoopid programmer
cheekyfecker 10 months ago
I have been working on programming for over 13 years and liked the talk. The problem is not about individuality, socialism, or even being a genius, but thinking you are a genius when you are not. There's A LOT of developers who think they are super smart when they are just ordinary guys. And no reality check can convince then otherwise. Unfortunately, when it comes to computing this kind of attitude can mean the failure of projects.
jdefarge 11 months ago
@jdefarge
YES.. a full YES..
It's the smart person who realizes u never stop learning..
TZGM
peter joseph,there is no thing as a smart person..
Even Einstein realized this..
It's not because they can't see that,it's EGO not seeing it/ or maybe even don't wanna see it.
TheHumansoverMoney 10 months ago
@TheHumansoverMoney
i have to corectify myself, It's the person realizing u never to SMART to keep klearning.
That Line caused a .dll error :P
TheHumansoverMoney 10 months ago
Regarding Bush, top US universities like Harvard, Yale and Stanford are ruled by elitism since their foundation.
This elitism is two fold: it's based on people who are part of the INTELLECTUAL ELITE (that is, a genius or gifted or good student) as well as to someone who comes from the WEALTHY ELITE, like Bush, who can pay for their education. And the university will pay (scholarships, etc) for the genius ones to take part in. This is the way things are. And no, Bush is not a genius.
jdefarge 11 months ago
An 8th grader is currently the sole developer of the best selling app on the App Store but that doesn't make him s programming legend. It's the idea that makes a project as successful as Google, and people that come up with that idea are generally geniuses,
MrYousafBajwa 1 year ago
actually I believe that its going to come the time when programmers will be the people who uses wheelchairs. Stephen hawking don't use his legs and is a great scientist. I don't use my legs to program. Might be that there are a big number of programmers better than me that do not use their.
carlosestevam 1 year ago
team first ;)
iulian28ti 1 year ago
my gosh !long time this video.i need more time to watch this!thanks genius.
TheSisternor 1 year ago
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THERE IS NO GENIUS PROGRAMMER?!!! WHAT ABOUT MARK ZUCKERBERG?
OH IM SORRY... WHAT ABOUT THE BILLIONAIRE GENIUS MARK ZUCKEBERG?!!!
dennis3380 1 year ago
@dennis3380 - why don't you go suck his knob and get it over with. Zuckerberg isn't a "genius" programmer like the movie portrays......"32 hour coding tears".....please!!! He used simple php and database methods to create a website....not a big deal in terms of programming. The genius in Zuckerberg was not his pogramming skills, it was his way of taking ideas (...from others but I won't use the term "stealing" here) and combining them to create a useful SERVICE. You missed the whole point.
DeLL116 1 year ago 33
@DeLL116 thanks for the answer... that is what i wanted to hear. But are you a programmer?!!
dennis3380 1 year ago
@DeLL116 In entertainment it takes those words to brainwash. In entertainment, if you have a bad image, donate money, money talks. Sad world. If you have a bad image in entertainment, find some gay looking guy that is willing to talk gay and it will automatically influence the sheep masses to vote for the guy that looks better. Look at the 2 oldspice guys on youtube right now. A classic example! It works too! The black guy was starting to loose his spice so he needed corny fabio to help!
luc59457 6 months ago
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luc59457 6 months ago
Minecraft was made by ONE person and is already a fenomenon... Even thou he asked people what they liked during the progress.
wartem 1 year ago
Genius people are only rare at Google. Head down to 1 Infinite Loop and you'll find a bunch of genius programmers. Seriously, there are times for collaboration and there are times to work alone. The problem I have with the ideas presented here is that they are rooted in a socialist (you're not unique) mentality. The fact is we are all unique and distinctly creative. We only lose this when we ignore our egos and trade our humanity for acceptance.
sitarlo 1 year ago
27:54-28:11 is corrupted video/audio
oskenso 1 year ago 13
@oskenso :0 google had a tech issue.
RedofYellow 2 months ago
@oskenso nope. Just the myth of the genius programmer case in point.
TheBandwagonman 3 weeks ago
Nice talk guys. Despite talking about the ideal thing, it can be applied in the real world. I've just seen two examples of starting something and calling people in: one in software and one doing crosswords ;)
bolhoso 1 year ago
really nice talk that my favorite career....
hey guys i'm a foreign student here in the U.S planning to become a computer programmer but i don't know where to start i also don't know anything about computers. Can u guys give me some tips i'll appreciate for that.
It was really nice presentation u guys are great and u inspired me.
Saidd1234 1 year ago
@Saidd1234 I would recommend starting off with Python. It's easy to learn and very useful (it's used by Google!). There are many great tutorials on the Internet, including many on Youtube. Try thenewboston.
gamecraziness2 1 year ago
my favorite carer...
keylllogdark 1 year ago
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I'll be there...
keylllogdark 1 year ago
Inspiring..
ZenTaww 1 year ago
Slightly off-topic.
@24:45 - "if someone reports a bug it's nice to have a way to get back to them"
So can we expect to see that on Android market anytime soon? It's a annoying to have comments on an app that you can't respond to without changing the description of your application.
edschache 1 year ago
i use git rebase regularly for legitimate reasons eg. applying subsets of patches from a dev branch onto stage branch, and rebasing onto upstream branches before pushing to avoid needless merge history. but never to hide anything :)
gribgrub 1 year ago
nice talk, right?
netaneld122 1 year ago
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insaneinlove69 1 year ago
I was actually waiting that they answer the last question
insaneinlove69 1 year ago
ok. Am I to believe that I'm delusional and haven't the ability to build something great by myself?
I think I'll watch "The Myth of the Field Medalist" next. Just because a genius isn't a member of your forum doesn't mean they are a myth.
superearthbender 1 year ago
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zeugincom 1 year ago
look at the guy on the right, why wear an old wrinkly button up with a shirt under it that doesn't match. He can't realize that he looks unkempt and stupid
david44454 1 year ago
@david44454 If you would have followed the talk you'd know, that code is not written in front of a mirror in good light, it is written in caves! By cavemen!
krxlprnft 1 year ago
@krxlprnft let the cavemen rule the night. we will only come out of our dark caves when the old diurnal order crumbles. We are pushed into the night, taking refuge from the egotistical day worshipers that monopolize the sunlight with their "i am better than you attitude". from the night came the evolution of human intelligence and the future of daylight shall be ours
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MightySharpAndOceans 1 year ago
I was expecting the psychologist-for-30-years to start talking about freemasons for some reason.
4TehLulz 1 year ago
23:35 sexy :D
DAVIDSOURDJ 1 year ago
I wish they wouldn't try to make jokes so often.
kjaam32 1 year ago
ediblepet, dat's cool, go boast about how awesome Torvalds is elsewhere. Nothing wrong with Subversion.
Nothing wrong with Torvalds either, but *that's not the point*.
Mortician12345 1 year ago
@Mortician12345 Actually it is the point, moron.
ediblepet 1 year ago
Keep in mind these "fail early, fail often" guys got completely schooled by Linus Torvalds, a genius programmer who annihilated Subversion with git. He maintains a clear hierarchy over git and the widely popular Linux kernel (which he initially made himself). What's the "bus factor" on Linus?
ediblepet 1 year ago
This talk really pisses me off. I don't avoid working with other coders because I'm afraid of looking like an idiot. I don't like working with them because they are stupid and try to design things in a way I don't want to. These guys are mediocre and so believe everyone must be mediocre. Anyone who latches onto a coding community is a joke.
ediblepet 1 year ago
@ediblepet This is exactly what they are talking about....You just said you don't want to work with other 'coders' because they are "stupid". Well I appolgise sir, you are a genus, and I will step aside and let you stay in your cave.....Or what I like to call "THE C0DE CAVE"
Neighborhoodbordness 1 year ago
@Neighborhoodbordness appolgise, genus, nuff said.
ediblepet 1 year ago
@ediblepet I forgot it was a spelling contest
Neighborhoodbordness 1 year ago
geniuses makes mistakes too.
SSuperCuriouss 1 year ago
i write thousands of lines of code before i compile. :)
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" If you really knew anything about economics you'd be an anarchist (aka capitalist), not a communist. Solviet-style central planning creates misery; while prosperity is really nothing more than the absense of government. "
All this talk about crushing the ego and being ok with vulnerability runs contrary to how society organizes itself. It's also feminine.
DaFuckyouat 1 year ago
*similar often cover
DisruptiveEchoes 1 year ago
@JLPWstuff Google Tech Talks & similar are often cover some of the most interesting subjects in the industry, commonly by some of the smartest people in the industry. If you can't comprehend listing to intelligent people talk for a mere hour, I might suggest that this field (and indeed, any job more complicated that food service or road construction) isn't for you.
DisruptiveEchoes 1 year ago
who the crap is gonna watch all 55 mins??!!
JLPWstuff 1 year ago
10:00pm Thursday (EDT) - Time in Tallahassee, Florida
Pensacola 9:00pm CDT
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DoubleDutchBust 1 year ago
SVN joke : hey, check out the source of this program
bl0ckeduser 1 year ago
I'm 7 minutes in and I already know I needed to see this 10 years ago.
sparkloweb 1 year ago
if google wants the best programmer in the field they should hire me stat
amicusnemini 1 year ago
hmm, I can't watch this because it is too truthful
g105b 1 year ago
There is an old Chinese idiom reminescent of that metaphorical "cave" ("... genius goes off in a cave ...") they speak of : "Building a cart behind closed doors" (Google it !)
bl0ckeduser 1 year ago
nice i like the subtitles
i speak spanish
sapito169 1 year ago
After 8.41 seconds I agree these guys are right.
But personally I don't lust after being seen as a genius. I do however get really annoyed by plagiarism at work. If you write some code that is 99% there then someone spots a bug, fixes it then claims to have written the whole lot and celebrated for it.
I want to get recognition for the good stuff that I have done.
earthstick 1 year ago
@earthstick
^ THIS is the real problem with coding and collaboration. I totally understand your point, but it's prohibitive in progress like they pointed out numerous times throughout the video.
OnAMindriot 1 year ago
Hmm, I think Linus Torvalds is a genius... To write an Operating System in 6 months having only 1 year of C experience it's an unbelievable thing... Ye, he made it based on Minix OS, but still... in 6 months with 1 year C experience? GENIUS.
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FinalBreakOut 1 year ago
What are you talking about ?
Writing code in a cave is great !
I accept my mistakes.
I don't accept handing out my code.
After all, there is sth called copyright.
If Google does not know that word I'd like to copy some parts of Google Earth's code plz !
Finally, writing your code by yourself makes you love your code more and when you die your code "dies" too, making it impossible for others to use it for purposes you wouldn't like them to.
So, everything seems great to me !
Dumah000777444 1 year ago
Great talk on the psychology behind effective collaboration
mostlyharmless77 2 years ago 3
I think it's a great talk on, not just programming or collaboration, but the greater subject of learning.
MikeyIckey 2 years ago
thanks really coool :))
Microsoft + Google = 4 ever
microsoftodessa 2 years ago
Too Genral was thinking will be something about programming..
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mrelectron111 2 years ago
That's why I got my Razer mouse :)
sweYoda 2 years ago
Lachesis <3
CloakedMagnum 2 years ago
good talk in general - the word "programmer" can be replaced with any profession.
sdfg88 2 years ago 43
Talk all you want on youtube but if you really want to save the planet you have to ram the message into peoples brains.
Some people just can't be told and have to be shown. It's the most frustrating thing.
sharkey288 2 years ago
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The real geniuses I believe are those who rose to dictatorships or leadership such as Obama.
the "Human being" is one of the most "sophisticated computers" in the world, Those who can control those "sophisticated computers" and even cause those computers to serve them..... THOSE ARE THE REAL GENIUSES!
EasternMerchant 2 years ago
Bush was a genius?
He hid it very well.
supdawg444 2 years ago 32
@supdawg444 Closer to a genius than the moron we've got now!
dean01011 1 year ago
@supdawg444 Bush went to Harvard Business school.
Only gifted students make it in such a prestigious business school.
Mu5clehead 1 year ago
@Mu5clehead nope, lots of politics and money envolved
nepalihercules 1 year ago
@nepalihercules
You've never been to Harvard.
Most Harvard Business school tend to have an IQ level either on gifted or genius.
Just because the media makes politicians look dumb doesnt mean they are.
Saying so is just an act of ignorance. How to test intelligence, get an IQ test. Harvard does it every year with their students to ensure success and mastery.
How do I know this?
I have good friends at Harvard L-S/B-S/M-S.
Cheers from Russia and God bless America!
Mu5clehead 1 year ago
@Mu5clehead i never said politicians are dumb, im just saying just cuz bush went to harvard doesn't mean he's a genius. im just saying politics could've been involved with bush
nepalihercules 1 year ago
@nepalihercules
Well, it takes a high intelligence to enter Harvard Business school.
Never heard or met anyone below the IQ of 135 to enter such a great school.
I'm not saying Bush is a genius, but he's an MBA from Harvard Business School.
That just says a lot about who he really is.
Mu5clehead 1 year ago
@Mu5clehead It's no doubt that Bush is, in fact, intelligent, but people who go to Harvard usually come from a rich family, and they probably attended private schools that cost as much as college. Also, most members in congress are millionaires. It's not that "they're" smart, they just pay a good amount for a waaaaay better education.
JasonSchillingWhatQQ 1 year ago
@Mu5clehead But what you might not be aware of is that Bush was a C student. His last name is the only thing that really got him in and kept him there
BCrooksProduction 11 months ago
@Mu5clehead But what you might not have known is that Bush was a C student. His last name is the only thing that really got him in and kept him there
BCrooksProduction 11 months ago
@BCrooksProduction
Impossible, Harvard never admits C students unless he never tried in his secondary education
What proof do you have of that?
Mu5clehead 11 months ago
@Mu5clehead Bro, I'm not saying he's dumb. I'm not sure about his high school transcripts but i know for a fact he coasted through college.
BCrooksProduction 8 months ago
you got so out of the theme with this comment! classic smart guy wannabe
NECC94 2 years ago
Then I can we can all this "Cyber-Communism" hehe
EasternMerchant 2 years ago
Drones always seek uniformity. thank fuck they just clean up after the real people.
nilbud 2 years ago
@nilbud What do you mean the "real" people ?
ungamedplayer 2 years ago
i just watched 10 minutes an am already sick of it :D
TheCodeKid69 2 years ago
has anyone actually watch the whole hour video?
JeffOnCp 2 years ago
I did, and it's really good.
I'm sure many people have.
leommarques1 2 years ago 2
I always want people to see my mistakes so that I can use them to advance... This is why I attempt to network to as many individuals as possible.
Every mistake is a valuable tool for advancement as it shows how not to do something.
PinkProgram 2 years ago
Agree Linux Torvalds is a hero screw Bill Gates
ComiCon16 2 years ago
Wow did you ever miss the point.
Zahlman 2 years ago
I don't see Linux donating billions of dollars to charity with a genuine heart. I wish I saw you in real life I would burn you.
floopsie666 2 years ago
linux donates millions of hours of time. and time is money. In fact development time is worth lots of money.
mudbloodslut 2 years ago
Floopsies you are a dunce, the children's clips are elsewhere. Your IQ is a bit republican.
nilbud 2 years ago
Linus Torvalds is a moron, RMS is the man.
nilbud 2 years ago
and you are?
skydark 2 years ago
I much prefer to code alone, although i do like to calibrate with certain projects. I can go off and do my own thing, without waiting for others.
Samzsite 2 years ago
STOP giggling you annoying freak.
viktorvaldemar 2 years ago
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wanna know why I'm not a myth??!?!?!
Cuz ..... ok get your "i'm smart too" hat out and your "me too, me too" t-shirt to go with it.....
I'm not a myth because 0 =/= 1
For all you programmers out there.... that is zero is not equal to one.
WOW!!!!!!!
Ready to be real adults now?
Cuz I still need a sponsor.... AND recognition
SpecialBlend009 2 years ago
Actually, usually code for 'not equal to' is usually '!=' as far as I know.
MGlBlaze 2 years ago 2
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Get your meds you talentless loser.
nilbud 2 years ago
epic power cord fail.
bodidarma505 2 years ago
video error on 28:00?
great talk by the way, gotta love these guys
dootzky 2 years ago 3
@dootzky I get the same thing.
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howtogetsaved 2 years ago
I think that the myth is not a falsehood. I think that
genius code is possible. I know that in many late night sessions of writing code I entered a zone where it was like entering the Matrix and I was coding like Mozart composing music. The next day I had no idea what my code was doing - only that it worked. Also, genius exists. So I think that the true point of the lecture was try to play down the fact that a small minority of programmers can crush all other programmers. Talent and desire.
tahoefireflies 2 years ago
If you don't now what its doing it's not genius code.
viktorvaldemar 2 years ago
whowhat LOL ok crush ubuntu with your minority OS...
viktordenischik 2 years ago
The first 20 minutes stood out for me a lot
Great lecture
warty4ev3r 2 years ago 2
Code is art and all programmers paint differently.
tahoefireflies 2 years ago 4
And as I near the end of a 25 year programming career I lament the fact that it is not an engineering discipline. Most folks that took computer science classes have forgotten that the word science was involved, and instead everybody runs with fad, and gut instinct.
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i blame these 2 nerds for making the internet a retarded space.
backtublive 2 years ago
I think they are using ego as a synonym for an inflated feeling of pride in your superiority to others; not as in the meaning having self-confidence or a belief in your own worth. As they admit, The Genius Programmer is a straw man for them to make the point that most great software is the result of a group effort of smart people who exchange ideas.
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anfedorov 2 years ago
lol@braicrack 32:50
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anfedorov 2 years ago
I want developers who believe their code matters. Quality, efficiency, performance.
I want them to be part scientist, part artist.
I want them to constantly want to do better.
Can you have all that without ego?
Would Tiger Woods be Tiger Woods without ego?
Would Michael Jordan be Michael Jordan without ego?
KevinWongAtPwC 2 years ago 4
Exactly. To be selfless without concern for oneself is actually to neglect oneself, which is evil. To be totally selfish without concern for others is also evil. That's what I meant by that we need to be concerned BOTH about ourselves (ego) AND others at the same time.
SingularityBot 2 years ago
Dude, 99% of people are by default selfish - meaning they have an ego. This guys are trying to balance programmers by showing them the other side (care for others). So essentially their case it good and is in the middle.
KyleOfIsle 2 years ago 3
The ego is needed. Without it we would have no individuality and only have a 'service to others' Borg hive mind. In the video they present it as an either-or situation, which is not very intelligent. Actually it's completely wrong.
SingularityBot 2 years ago
individuality is great if you are the only one on the planet, but if you are using the TOILET.....BREATHING AIR.....CONSUMING VALUABLE RESOURCES.... ETC..(contributing to earth's resource depletion, pollution, ect), It is YOUR DUTY as a HUMAN PARASITE, to work with all the other HUMAN PARASITES to figure out a better way to be harmonious with the earth and the universe!
EasternMerchant 2 years ago
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Individuality is a must. Or else all of humanity becomes one hive mind, only able to think as one unit. No individuality. No integrity. No sovereignty. Being selfless and being selfish are both bad separately. We need both to become integrated.
SingularityBot 2 years ago
I agree if individuality is for the sake of creativity, but for political purposes, I highly disagree!
EasternMerchant 2 years ago
Often in politics compromises are needed between different individual wills. That's fine, but it's only a first step towards integration between being selfish and being selfless. In true integration, the clash of wills is transcended above the friction of conflicts. Easier said than done in practice though. :D
SingularityBot 2 years ago
"but for political purposes, I highly disagree! "
LOL. Except the whole philosophy of Nazis like you is that a a handful of people (i.e. the government) know how to allocate resources better than society (aka the free market) as a whole.
Gotcha Hitler: youre a schizophrenic. If you really knew anything about economics you'd be an anarchist (aka capitalist), not a communist. Solviet-style central planning creates misery; while prosperity is really nothing more than the absense of government.
icfnord 2 years ago
We are the Borg, resistance is futile!
sweYoda 2 years ago
I don't know ... I think there's just a semantic difference between the way you use ego and they way they use ego.
I doubt that they don't want people to be part scientist/artist and not wanting to do better.
rftluong 2 years ago
The question is whether you can be assertive without being an asshole, and the answer is yes and no: no, internally, it's not easy to make people not think selfishly; yes, externally, it's possible to make them behave more maturely and nicely. I think this is where the semantic difference comes up.
I think the speakers know that this duality exists; they just use the blanket term "genius" for rhetorical effect.
Plenty of people that I think are absolute geniuses are also very modest people.
reinux 2 years ago 2
This clip is like a Will Ferrell movie. It's light and fluffy and strays from the topic at the first opportunity (DRM? SubVersion?) but that's OK by me as long as you're entertaining.
Are you guys telling me there's not a single genius at Google?
KevinWongAtPwC 2 years ago
I dunno maybe the guys that work there would know....
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momme123 2 years ago
I strongly object to the idea that the ego is bad. That's like the misguided New Age notion of believing that being selfless is something good.
What is needed is to care BOTH of oneself (ego) AND others at the same time.
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