They sound very familiar, but then again it's not a very creative opening. A fifth grader with a basic understanding of music could create this in about ten minutes. Honestly, I'm guessing this wouldn't even be an issue if Roger Waters didn't have such a giant ego.
How does Roger not understand basic time signatures, even after writing "Money"? The "stolen" part is 4/4 for sure, though the part in "Echoes" that is actually in 12/8 is the fast part after the middle, right before it goes into the last verse. That part would be better to steal, anyway.
It is similar but I really don't think Andrew intentionally sole or whatever you want to call it from pink floyd. And anyway, look what Andrew did with the song!!! Completely different and amazing!! If he had stolen from pink floyd then I think The Overture would sound much different than it does now. I say it is better used in Phantom.
@derkcloud he didn't sue him he just stated that Andrew lloyd webber used some of echoes in phantom of the opera I would be a little mad if someone used my song too but he just brushed it off his shoulder and that was that
yup he did .. thats why waters mentiond ..him on the amused to death loyd webbers awfull stuff runs for years yesrs years and then the piaino lid comes down and brakes his fucking fingers class
I love listing to Pink Floyd, but you can't own a bass line, or guitar riff, or even a piano melody. Paul McCartney took a bass line straight from a Chuck Berry song and Chuck Berry didn't care, because if anything I would take it is a sign of respect. And I know Andrew Lloyd Webber didn't just steal it. Tons of artist do it this isn't the first time this has happened.
@max200 Then there was George Harrison subconsciousnessly using the chords from 'He's So Fine' for 'My Sweet Lord.' Cost him a bunch, but then again, he accidentally copied the whole song, not just a riff like the case is here.
The thing is, that to a contemporary musician like Waters, that is a major riff to his song, which for that type of music can be very important. But to someone like Webber who composes full orchestral scores, thats just a chromatic scale used to create an eerie setting. I wouldn't doubt it that even someone before Waters and Webber used a similar scale in a piece. Anyways, Waters never sued and got over it. And if he can get over it, than so can you.
@TopRameen13 From "It's A Miracle", a song written by former Pink Floyd bassist Roger Waters in 1992: "We cower in our shelters with our hands over our ears. Lloyd-Webber's awful stuff runs for years and years and years. An earthquake hits the theatre, but the operetta lingers. Then the piano lid comes down and breaks his fucking fingers. It's a miracle."
:/ Imitation is the best form of flattery, all artists are influenced by each other, music is music, people create it because they love music, they're both musicians and they should respect the similarity between them both - their love for music, maybe different music, but still. Now it does sound like it and sure Andrew Lloyd Webber could've easily done the tune without even thinking about it like subconsciously its unfair for people to judge which is better they're both good in their own right
"Yeah, the beginning of that bloody Phantom song is from 'Echoes' *DAAAA-da-da-da-da-da!* I couldn't believe it when I heard it. It's the same time signature - it's 12/8 - and it's the same structure and it's the same notes and it's the same everything. Bastard. It probably is actionable. It really is! But I think that life's too long to bother with suing Andrew fucking Lloyd Webber."
@KilldozerRocks What an absolute dick. As has been pointed out it is blatantly straight 4/4 (12/8 is 4/4 with triplets) and it's pretty likely that it's just a coincidence. I mean, it's just a descending/ascending chromatic scale. Not entirely original. And I don't see why he hates ALW so much. Do I like all his stuff? No. But he's a better composer than Waters and Phantom is an amazing show (better than anything I've heard from Pink Floyd). Writing a musical is much harder than a rock album.
@KilldozerRocks - Life was too long to long to bother suing Andrew fucking Lloyd Webber but he certainly didn't think this way when he sued his best mate for the rights to the name Pink Floyd, which he ended up loosing anyway. Was that really worth it roger??.
I highly doubt Webber stole this. Believe it or not people, there are such things as coincidences in this big world of ours. And honestly, what reason would Webber have to study this song when writing the music for Phantom? If someone can answer that question with a good reason other then "Cause Pink Floyd is awesome!", I might consider it possible, but as I see it. It was a coincidence. For those of us who have actually done our research into Webber's whole process, you would know he didn't.
@mikejhaze Haha seriously? I'd say its about even. Even if they don't know him by name, everyone knows Evita, Phantom of the Opera, Cats, ect. Phantom is the highest earning entertainment project in history so I assume ALW is fairly well known.
"We cower in our shelters With our hands over our ears Lloyd-Webber's awful stuff Runs for years and years and years An earthquake hits the theater But the operetta lingers Then the piano lid comes down And breaks his fucking fingers It's a miracle " Go ahead, ask what side _I_ am on ;)
I wrote a song using Em and A. I hope I don't get accused by Roger Waters for stealing the chords he invented to make Breathe, just like his invention of this short scale.
@TheNightcloudHATER How many people actually know about Pink Floyd? Well, a hell of a lot more people than know about Andrew Lloyd Webber or his musicals, that's for sure.
@avenger2231 Really? Dude I'm here as a Pink Floyd fan but I think you're GROSSLY underestimating how many people have heard, can recognize, or are fans of Andrew Lloyd Webber's work.
how many people actually know pink Floyd? i bet most people only know phantom, but since pink Floyd came out with this first (I'm assuming), then i too, think Andrew Lloyd webber did get some ideas off it. didn't steal it....got ideas from it and decided it sounded mysterious and creepy. keep in mind, I'm only 13 so i don't know anything about pink Floyd, just phantom of the opera. Webber did my favorite musical, CATS so i am on his side that he didn't plagiarize.
Really?How many people know the first rock band to ever do an all out instrumental piece? The vary band that INVENTED space rock? A lot of people oddly, and to be honest, I think more people know Pink Floyd then Webber simply based on the fact that Pink Floyd is one of the top selling bands of all time, sure,their image may have faded as will Webbers' (hopefully) but they are still a keystone in the music industry.
@TheNightcloudHATER I'm cutting you slack because of your age, but Pink Floyd is one of the greatest bands of all time, period. They routinely finish in top 5 lists for rock bands, and their signature albums, Dark Side of the Moon, and The Wall, are considered 2 of the most masterfully crafted works this century by critics. They are FAR more famous, and in my opinion, talented, than Webber. And I truly believe that Webber straight up stole the opening, and gave no credit.
@go8smosh More famous than (Lord) Andrew Lloyd Webber? Phantom alone, not to mention Cats, Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat, Jesus Christ Superstar, etc, has grossed over 5 billion dollars. It's listed as the most successful entertainment event of all time. Webber writes entire musicals - both score and books - which takes far more talent than writing a so-called 'concept' album. I like Floyd (although The Wall is as over-hyped as it gets), but I wouldn't ever claim they were more famous.
@TicklishTasha93 Really no. That is no way true. If you would learn about music other way than just by listening (I mean learning about notes, tonicas, harmony and other much stuff) you would know there are many many combinations in music and you can seriously believe me, if you'll try to compose something, and you will be getting it from your head, not being inspired way too much by other artists, there's very very small chance it will sound like something already written.
its a small scale! the phantom theme is a higher pitch then the other song. therfore, it is not the same! to thouse who say Webber is a copier, think of this: most sucessful musicals have had other people saying they plagerised. take RENT for example a lyricist sued the creator of RENT Jonathan Larson, because she said she wrote lyrics for the musical and Larson wasnt giving credit.
@Chizpurfle52595 He wrote the third highest selling album of all time and another which stayed on the charts for 27 years. Roger Waters doesn't need the money, it's the principle of it.
@TicklishTasha93 just saying EVERYTHING (caps nedded) is plagiarism because one thing is doesnt make EVERYTHING a rip off. this is not the only time he has done that, the notes and rhythm are identical, theres the similar and there is the same crap. EX: south park is not the same crap as simpsons but any shit made by seth macfarle is the same crap as simpsons.
How dares he? Using the same scale and notes as Roger the Magnificient? I am sure Webber killed his father, too! When is a new concept album regarding the theft of Waters' trademarked scale going to be released?
"Yeah, the beginning of that bloody Phantom song is from Echoes. *DAAAA-da-da-da-da-da* . I couldn't believe it when I heard it. It's the same time signature - it's 12/8 - and it's the same structure and it's the same notes and it's the same everything. Bastard. It probably is actionable. It really is! But I think that life's too long to bother with suing Andrew fucking Lloyd Webber."
But to answer your question, YES, Andrew Lloyd Webber stole from Pink Floyd, absolutely. Didn't he get the idea to spend his life writing horrible shitty music from listening to "Atom Heart Mother"? I thought I heard that somewhere.
I wrote a song that goes from C to G in the verses. This being the case, I would like to contact Roger Waters for permission to use portions of his composition "Pigs On The Wing (Pts 1 & 2)".
i love pink floyd i mean they are my most favorite band ever
always been...
but i have to slightly disagree on walters a bit. i think this is pure conicidence. plus this is a scale. and even if webber did rip of echoes, i don't think there's much to go crazy about. it's nothing too major :/
lots of artists recycle works of other artists anyways. it's only a problem when the recycled portion is really really big and noticable!
@psymonb Sorry to burst your bubble but Pink Floyd released "Echoes" in 1971 while Andrew Lloyd Webber's "The Phantom of the Opera" was first performed in 1986.
@psymonb - Aaaanndd I guess that would make you what...a true moron...with zero musical taste? You sound like some nerd who spent a lot of time stuffed in a high-school locker.
"Yeah, the beginning of that bloody Phantom song is from Echoes. *DAAAA-da-da-da-da-da* . I couldn't believe it when I heard it. It's the same time signature - it's 12/8 - and it's the same structure and it's the same notes and it's the same everything. Bastard. It probably is actionable. It really is! But I think that life's too long to bother with suing Andrew fucking Lloyd Webber"
OK, but: for me it's the phrasing, timing, and timbre that make them so similar -- not to mention the particular five notes and their ascent and descent. That's why Phantom sounds like PHANTOM -- why we can recognize it -- and not any other composer's use of chromatic scales. And why Phantom sounds like Echoes.
Let me tell you something. A stupid boring musical like Phantom of the Opera will never compare to the awesomeness that is Pink Floyd. Webber ripped off Waters completely. End of story. nuff said.
@dance2butterfly - Which Clementi composition could I listen to and recognize Echoes? 12 tones may be a limited vocabulary but by adding timing, tempo and repetition you get an infinite number of musical permutations. Are any of Clementi's compositional "permutations" as immediately comparable as Phantom is to Echoes?
It may sound similar but it's not copying or stealing or anything because its a scale of tones not a written peice! (well of course it was probably physically written but you know what I mean) Its just a single part. If a wrote a song with that scale of tones would it be stealing? NO because it is a SCALE
How many 12/8 time riffs can you name? And these two happen to have the exact same notes and rhythm? Obviously it was stolen. (If you're going to steal something, at least improve upon it... the Pink Floyd version is still 1000x better)
@erikmartin2 the phantom song is 4/4, not 12/8. its just a chromatic scale, and the pink floyd version is very different if you really sit and listen to it. Now personally, I the only webber musicals I give a shit for are JCS and Phantom, other than those, his musicals suck and are plagued by the same shit that broadway is known for. I really have no personal bias, is my point.
@erikmartin2 Webber's is not in 12/8. How many chromatic riffs are there? Millions upon millions. Who owns the chromatic scale? Not Pink Floyd. Composers have used ascending and descending chromatic scales for hundreds of years. Tchaikovsky has a near identical chromatic line running in the double basses in the 1812 Overture. Obviously it wasn't stolen.
yeah let's ignore the fact that it's used in a completely different musical context and it's a fucking chromatic scale.
god, even if it was influenced by echoes, it's so different it doesn't matter. do you understand how songwriting works? Artists are influenced by eachother all the time without their realizing it. The fact that it's a chromatic scale only makes it even more plausible he came up with it independently, or at the very least even less significant.
Well, to be honest, many songs just have a tendency to have a similar sound. It doesn't mean that musicians are stealing it from it each other. There's so many bands out there that sound a lot alike, but it's still their own style. I think that's the case with this. It's probably just a coincidence.
I think it's coincidence. I can't count how many time's I've played something and someone from my band says "OH! That sounds like X". Most of the time I've never heard "X". It just happens.
ok so i love both of these artists but Echoes 23:29 long i know that part is a popular rift but honestly like andrew lloyd webber would actually still it. ps artists dont need to steal from artists if they do there not truly artists and andrew lloyd wbber is a genius just look at the rest of the phantom or was that stolen too ?
@500gerbils Aaaactually, there's a lot of ALW "original" pieces that are highly reminiscent of other people's work; he's even been sued for stealing (he settled out of court, as I recall).
I like ALW for the most part, but he's not a "genius"; he's a guy who is very sucessful at writing pop musicals, and yeah, he does steal stuff on occasion.
youtube. com/ watch? v= wW5wwi4ahLc is a good place to start...
@Soreanol for 1. the book phantom of the opera came out in 1909 and was published in 1910 where the original idea came from from by a french named Gaston Leroux 2. the movie that had the original copy of the song came out in 1920 the musical didn't come around till 1986 so how bout you check your facts dumb ass
Hahahahaha you fucking idiot this song was released in 71 of the album "Meddle", idk when Phantom of the Opera came out but i know for a fact it was much later then Echos.
@Rush1013 for 1. the book phantom of the opera came out in 1909 and was published in 1910 where the original idea came from from by a french named Gaston Leroux 2. the movie that had the original copy of the song came out in 1920 the musical didn't come around till 1986 so how bout you check your facts dumb ass
@Rush1013 and also to tell u both were before my time i'm 18 but i'k my facts on it and honestly to tell u the truth they all copied bach's fugue in d minor cuz all 3 are the same and the 1st movie for phantom of the opera with the "ORIGINAL" copy of the song came out in 1920 weber took the copywright of the song and produced it with better quality so you and that other guy that don't know shit can look up all the info i told you
@duichbag Aaalso, the 1925 Chaney movie was a silent. Yeah, it had music written for it, but this riff wasn't in it.
PF released Echoes in 1971.
ALW first publically played the title song to POTO in 1986. Roger Waters himself thought it was a direct ripoff, so he certainly didn't give ALW permission to use it.
ALW rips off songs on occasion. He's been sued for it. Doesn't make POTO a bad song; it just doesn't make it completely original. He should have licensed the riff, that's all.
Ok, I'll say the similarity is uncanny, but there is no way that Lloyd Webber actually did that on purpose. I mean, come on, he'd be stupid if he thought he could purposely use a popular riff and get away with it. It's possible for it to have come into his head because of Echoes, but there's no way he could just go "Hmmmmm, I like this song. Let's use it in Phantom. It's really popular, but nobody will notice..."
@murryman11 Nah, Echoes isn't even on Works. You're used to hearing the part where Gilmour picks notes up and down the chromatic scale in a variation of the riff. This is just another variation of that riff only with chords and not individual picked notes.
For a second, I thought Miley Cyrus stole part of Echos and Phantom of the Opera rift. Just listen closely to When I look at you, just parts of the song sounds like Echos and Phantom of the Opera.
Pink Floyd didn't know what they were talking about when they said that this melody is in 12/8 rhythm. It's very obvious, but if you're not convinced, take it from me--I'm a classical musician. It's in common time. Pink Floyd hardly knows music theory.
Ridiculous. It's interesting that Waters "chose" not to sue. The fact is he COULDN'T sue because there are no 8 notes in direct succession that are the same in both songs. Unless there are 8 notes in succession there are no grounds for suing, as it doesn't count as plagerising. There are only 6 notes in succession from Echoes in Phantom. Waters just likes to imagine he's better than Andrew Lloyd Webber. I'd like to see Roger Waters write a musical that would survive 21 years in London's West End
@ChazAndBex Actually, the pitch sequence, albeit tonally transposed, is identical in the two songs. This is a contentious but irrelevent issue. Throughout the history of music, composers and/or songwriters have often been influence, or more, by each other's works. What concerns me is that Waters believed that this melody is in 12/8, which is it emphatically not. Never take a rock musician's word for even the simplest music theory knowledge. They know effectively nothing.
@HanEllipsis (And nothing proves this more than the fact that even with his own band's song, he couldn't get it right. Rock music is great for entertainment, but to worship a rock musician might just be the most time-wasting thing an individual can do.)
@ChazAndBex Funny thing that... ever heard of The Wall? Guaranteed its a "musical" (of sorts) that will last much longer. How long ago was it? Ah! Almost 40 years ago and Dark Side of the Moon is as relevant today as it was in 1973. Would you like to talk about Wish You Were Here next?
@ChazAndBex No offense, but I'm pretty sure if Roger Waters wanted to he could write one that'd survive that long. Don't get me wrong though - I love Phantom of the Opera AND Pink Floyd.
this is half steps up and down. it has been done in musical warm ups for many many years. five notes at a time up and down. choruses still sometimes do it in harmony.
@xxMsEdwardCullenxx1 Andrew Lloyd Webber is far from amazing. Cats was bullshit, Phantom Of The Opera was mediocore (the original silent film was much better), and Evita was hardly palatable. Then again, I hardly take an opinion seriously from a person who has a Twilight themed name. No one with an ounce of good taste would get wrapped up in such a sub par story clearly written by someone with no sense of already established mythology.
@xxMsEdwardCullenxx1 If you were to had actually read and understood what I had written to you in the first place, you would know that I never once mentioned who wrote what. I challenged your statement of Webber being a genius. Would you care to try again?
@1AdrianR seriously... calm the fuck down! i thought the phantom song was pretty good until i realized it was stolen from Pink Floyd. NO ONE steals from Pink Floyd and deserves ANY credit or praise.
Go ahead and say that your a Phantom Of The Opera fan and try to feel proud knowing it was ripped off...
meanwhile i'll say i'm a Pink Floyd fan and proud of it FOR LIFE!!
@xxMsEdwardCullenxx1 HAHA! That is the stupidets defense I've ever heard... "He's too amazing to steal" Right, coincidence... and I turned a hard line communist into a nice capitalist cut throat. That was sarcasm... not that I'm insulting everyone else's ability to read it.
It's a fucking chromatic scale. It doesn't belong to Roger Waters. It doesn't belong to Webber. It's not plagiarism, It's music, and music belongs to everyone.
@Bakloyd It's a scale of notes that musicians play for practice and tuning their instruments used by everyone. It goes as someone playing every note possible in an ascending and/or descending order.
@mkewl209 it's not like you've written something I don't know, anyways read the post underneath yours and you'll understand. Even if it's considered as a chromatic scale, Webber obviously ripped off Pink Floyd, I mean he's already infamous for ripping off other artists anyway
@hamrick4900 - True...nothing's new, everything's been done before. But my question I have is, did Webber compose that ultra cool riff from his own creative inspiration? Or was he "inspired" by Floyd? I'm going with, the latter....
@hamrick4900 you're as moron and clueless as a donkey, with you're logic there wouldn't be something called plagiarism, what's worse is that 18 idiots gave you thumps up, unappreciative dumbasses
@hamrick4900 That's definitely not a chromatic scale considering it's not 12 notes ascending/descending a semi-tone apart. If you're going to argue about music, maybe you should actually know something about it first.
If you searched through music prior to Echoes, it is guaranteed that there is another ascending and descending chromatic scale very similar to this. Roger Waters does not own the chromatic scale. Andrew Lloyd Webber is a brilliant composer who, like Waters, wrote using chromatic scales.
They sound very familiar, but then again it's not a very creative opening. A fifth grader with a basic understanding of music could create this in about ten minutes. Honestly, I'm guessing this wouldn't even be an issue if Roger Waters didn't have such a giant ego.
augginator123 3 days ago
well he sure did ... then again who gives a rats ass about whats his name weber
kgugalov 5 days ago
oh my god, two riffs that sound vaguely similar!
frostytheaussie 1 week ago
@frostytheaussie Vaguely is an understatement...
KieranMac17 1 week ago 2
he absolutely did not.
TheAngelofmusic12345 2 weeks ago
Goddamn right he did.
keithchircop 3 weeks ago
What about King Herod's Song of Webber's Jesus Christ-Superstar (1971) and The Trial of Waters' The Wall ?
waver67 1 month ago
How does Roger not understand basic time signatures, even after writing "Money"? The "stolen" part is 4/4 for sure, though the part in "Echoes" that is actually in 12/8 is the fast part after the middle, right before it goes into the last verse. That part would be better to steal, anyway.
Payvmint 1 month ago
It is similar but I really don't think Andrew intentionally sole or whatever you want to call it from pink floyd. And anyway, look what Andrew did with the song!!! Completely different and amazing!! If he had stolen from pink floyd then I think The Overture would sound much different than it does now. I say it is better used in Phantom.
phantomcrawford 2 months ago
@derkcloud he didn't sue him he just stated that Andrew lloyd webber used some of echoes in phantom of the opera I would be a little mad if someone used my song too but he just brushed it off his shoulder and that was that
Sobe501 2 months ago
yup he did .. thats why waters mentiond ..him on the amused to death loyd webbers awfull stuff runs for years yesrs years and then the piaino lid comes down and brakes his fucking fingers class
666767 2 months ago
I love listing to Pink Floyd, but you can't own a bass line, or guitar riff, or even a piano melody. Paul McCartney took a bass line straight from a Chuck Berry song and Chuck Berry didn't care, because if anything I would take it is a sign of respect. And I know Andrew Lloyd Webber didn't just steal it. Tons of artist do it this isn't the first time this has happened.
max200 2 months ago
@max200 Then there was George Harrison subconsciousnessly using the chords from 'He's So Fine' for 'My Sweet Lord.' Cost him a bunch, but then again, he accidentally copied the whole song, not just a riff like the case is here.
Beatleboy62 2 months ago
The thing is, that to a contemporary musician like Waters, that is a major riff to his song, which for that type of music can be very important. But to someone like Webber who composes full orchestral scores, thats just a chromatic scale used to create an eerie setting. I wouldn't doubt it that even someone before Waters and Webber used a similar scale in a piece. Anyways, Waters never sued and got over it. And if he can get over it, than so can you.
TopRameen13 3 months ago
@TopRameen13 From "It's A Miracle", a song written by former Pink Floyd bassist Roger Waters in 1992: "We cower in our shelters with our hands over our ears. Lloyd-Webber's awful stuff runs for years and years and years. An earthquake hits the theatre, but the operetta lingers. Then the piano lid comes down and breaks his fucking fingers. It's a miracle."
Yep, Roger Waters is certainly over it, alright.
RedSalamander 3 months ago
I once used the word "we" in a song. I hope Roger Waters doesn't sue me for copying his lyrics. Big fucking crybaby.
derkcloud 3 months ago
HAHAH!!! Ok then. But either way I love BOTH Pink Floyd, and Andrew 'fucking' Lloyd Webber, THEY BOTH ROCK!!! :P
But are still curious if it was a fraud or flaw...
Phantomofthenight117 3 months ago
:/ Imitation is the best form of flattery, all artists are influenced by each other, music is music, people create it because they love music, they're both musicians and they should respect the similarity between them both - their love for music, maybe different music, but still. Now it does sound like it and sure Andrew Lloyd Webber could've easily done the tune without even thinking about it like subconsciously its unfair for people to judge which is better they're both good in their own right
JasmineRAWWR 3 months ago
If you keep listening to it there is no resemblance the first couple of times you listen they do sound the same but after a while they are different.
ThePhantomFanatic 4 months ago
That's not the original version of Echoes. Sounds more like the version Gilmour played on his 2006 solo tour.
Colddeed 4 months ago
@Colddeed Yes, it's the original. Near the end. Not the beginning.
slimshady0297 3 months ago
@Colddeed Yes, it is the original. I have Meddle on Vinyl, and I listened to it just an hour ago, Echoes takes up the entire B-side
Bowielistener 3 months ago
Find the date that the songs were made!
I like them both, but it's illegal to steal music. There must be an exclamation...
Perhaps it was given to him.
I've played this tune on the electric keyboard before! and I didn't even know Phantom of the Opera or Pink Floyd's songs!
Phantomofthenight117 4 months ago
@Phantomofthenight117
Echoes: 1971
Phantom of the Opera: 1986
Roger Waters (of Pink Floyd) had this to say:
"Yeah, the beginning of that bloody Phantom song is from 'Echoes' *DAAAA-da-da-da-da-da!* I couldn't believe it when I heard it. It's the same time signature - it's 12/8 - and it's the same structure and it's the same notes and it's the same everything. Bastard. It probably is actionable. It really is! But I think that life's too long to bother with suing Andrew fucking Lloyd Webber."
KilldozerRocks 4 months ago 18
@KilldozerRocks What an absolute dick. As has been pointed out it is blatantly straight 4/4 (12/8 is 4/4 with triplets) and it's pretty likely that it's just a coincidence. I mean, it's just a descending/ascending chromatic scale. Not entirely original. And I don't see why he hates ALW so much. Do I like all his stuff? No. But he's a better composer than Waters and Phantom is an amazing show (better than anything I've heard from Pink Floyd). Writing a musical is much harder than a rock album.
dannyboy10721 1 month ago
@dannyboy10721 And also the theme is put to much better use in Phantom than in Echoes.
dannyboy10721 1 month ago
@dannyboy10721 what are you even chatting?
LeBuav 1 month ago
@dannyboy10721 Couldn't agree more.
ZombiesQueen 1 month ago
@KilldozerRocks - Life was too long to long to bother suing Andrew fucking Lloyd Webber but he certainly didn't think this way when he sued his best mate for the rights to the name Pink Floyd, which he ended up loosing anyway. Was that really worth it roger??.
Macconator2010 3 weeks ago
Find the date that the songs were made!
I like them both, but it's illegal to steal music. There must be an exclamation...
Perhaps it was given to him.
Phantomofthenight117 4 months ago
Yes, he did steal it. Fuck Andrew Lloyd Webber.
SenorSpode 4 months ago
Weber should put out a megaopera made out of more classic rock songs
smaidt89 4 months ago
Its not a riff, it's a chord progression........ :P
but I digress the plagerism is obvious..
alltheworldsastage 4 months ago
@alltheworldsastage It's a chromatic scale going down.... not a chord progression
Hawkish3131 3 months ago
I highly doubt Webber stole this. Believe it or not people, there are such things as coincidences in this big world of ours. And honestly, what reason would Webber have to study this song when writing the music for Phantom? If someone can answer that question with a good reason other then "Cause Pink Floyd is awesome!", I might consider it possible, but as I see it. It was a coincidence. For those of us who have actually done our research into Webber's whole process, you would know he didn't.
FMAluver14 4 months ago
Give Webber his due. This is plagiarism but a lot of his other material isn't.
rjkahlon 4 months ago
Lloyd Webber is the most tacky playwright if I ever saw one.
Pink floyd rules. For the love of Christ kids, listen to good music for a change.
Hawkish3131 5 months ago
@Hawkish3131
Considering Webber has made more money than Pink Floyd will ever see, yeah he's tacky.
derkcloud 3 months ago
@derkcloud I don't know if that money situation is true, but a lot more people know who Pink Floyd is rather than Webber.
mikejhaze 2 months ago
@mikejhaze Haha seriously? I'd say its about even. Even if they don't know him by name, everyone knows Evita, Phantom of the Opera, Cats, ect. Phantom is the highest earning entertainment project in history so I assume ALW is fairly well known.
derkcloud 2 months ago
Well, I think Pink Floyd is more famous. Is only you see the sellings of The Dark Side of The Moon
MrThorin2010 5 months ago
The old rock vs musical theatre animosity is as intense as ever I see.
operazanotaijin 5 months ago
voodoochild1975az 5 months ago
Andrew's sounds better, anyways.
Nattyzeenha 5 months ago
@Nattyzeenha This must be a joke
olof07 5 months ago
ew omg, seriously webbber? thats tacky as hell
clowezra 5 months ago
I wrote a song using Em and A. I hope I don't get accused by Roger Waters for stealing the chords he invented to make Breathe, just like his invention of this short scale.
jch009tia 6 months ago
imma punch webber in the face
he just jelly because non educated musicians can come up with an atonal masterpiece
jayloonar 7 months ago
Thieving bastard.
MetalStorm96 7 months ago
Yes, he did.
MetalStorm96 7 months ago
@MetalStorm96 shut up!!!!
TheAngelofmusic12345 2 weeks ago
This Pink Floyd's record is not like a studio recording. Where it from?
awesomemouse 7 months ago
@TheNightcloudHATER How many people actually know about Pink Floyd? Well, a hell of a lot more people than know about Andrew Lloyd Webber or his musicals, that's for sure.
avenger2231 7 months ago
@avenger2231 Really? Dude I'm here as a Pink Floyd fan but I think you're GROSSLY underestimating how many people have heard, can recognize, or are fans of Andrew Lloyd Webber's work.
jeffgorchynski 7 months ago
how many people actually know pink Floyd? i bet most people only know phantom, but since pink Floyd came out with this first (I'm assuming), then i too, think Andrew Lloyd webber did get some ideas off it. didn't steal it....got ideas from it and decided it sounded mysterious and creepy. keep in mind, I'm only 13 so i don't know anything about pink Floyd, just phantom of the opera. Webber did my favorite musical, CATS so i am on his side that he didn't plagiarize.
TheNightcloudHATER 7 months ago
@TheNightcloudHATER
Really?How many people know the first rock band to ever do an all out instrumental piece? The vary band that INVENTED space rock? A lot of people oddly, and to be honest, I think more people know Pink Floyd then Webber simply based on the fact that Pink Floyd is one of the top selling bands of all time, sure,their image may have faded as will Webbers' (hopefully) but they are still a keystone in the music industry.
LaGoonch 6 months ago
@TheNightcloudHATER I'm cutting you slack because of your age, but Pink Floyd is one of the greatest bands of all time, period. They routinely finish in top 5 lists for rock bands, and their signature albums, Dark Side of the Moon, and The Wall, are considered 2 of the most masterfully crafted works this century by critics. They are FAR more famous, and in my opinion, talented, than Webber. And I truly believe that Webber straight up stole the opening, and gave no credit.
go8smosh 6 months ago
@go8smosh More famous than (Lord) Andrew Lloyd Webber? Phantom alone, not to mention Cats, Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat, Jesus Christ Superstar, etc, has grossed over 5 billion dollars. It's listed as the most successful entertainment event of all time. Webber writes entire musicals - both score and books - which takes far more talent than writing a so-called 'concept' album. I like Floyd (although The Wall is as over-hyped as it gets), but I wouldn't ever claim they were more famous.
jch009tia 6 months ago
@go8smosh Floyd rules, Echoes is an amazing song...fuck you webber
wild284 5 months ago
@go8smosh IMO The Wall is m'eh I prefer Meddle
kildare97 5 months ago
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TheNightcloudHATER 7 months ago
@TicklishTasha93 Really no. That is no way true. If you would learn about music other way than just by listening (I mean learning about notes, tonicas, harmony and other much stuff) you would know there are many many combinations in music and you can seriously believe me, if you'll try to compose something, and you will be getting it from your head, not being inspired way too much by other artists, there's very very small chance it will sound like something already written.
LosKeshusos 8 months ago
its a small scale! the phantom theme is a higher pitch then the other song. therfore, it is not the same! to thouse who say Webber is a copier, think of this: most sucessful musicals have had other people saying they plagerised. take RENT for example a lyricist sued the creator of RENT Jonathan Larson, because she said she wrote lyrics for the musical and Larson wasnt giving credit.
darkgem100 8 months ago
It's stolen, but Roger Waters said he'd decided not to sue and just forget about it - so I will do the same.
ricarleite 8 months ago
@ricarleite forget huh? what about that insulting song to webber "Its a miracle"?
darkgem100 8 months ago
phantom's worth about 5 billion, just throw roger waters some money and he'll quit bitching
Chizpurfle52595 8 months ago
@Chizpurfle52595 He wrote the third highest selling album of all time and another which stayed on the charts for 27 years. Roger Waters doesn't need the money, it's the principle of it.
Azimio 7 months ago
I always like these music similarities. But, music is music. Let it be!
BayviewFinch 8 months ago
@TicklishTasha93 just saying EVERYTHING (caps nedded) is plagiarism because one thing is doesnt make EVERYTHING a rip off. this is not the only time he has done that, the notes and rhythm are identical, theres the similar and there is the same crap. EX: south park is not the same crap as simpsons but any shit made by seth macfarle is the same crap as simpsons.
flaurosan 8 months ago
@spyguy41 and your funny since you talk shit on youtube you should grow up :) e
duichbag 8 months ago
Last time I checked Pink Floyd doesn't use an Organ during Echoes.
omarkbrown 8 months ago
Last time I checked Pink Floyd doesn't use an Organ during Echoes.
omarkbrown 8 months ago
It's a stretch. I'm just glad that in my searches for Pink plagiarising I have come up empty. Makes me love them that little bit more.
Parabol0086 9 months ago
How dares he? Using the same scale and notes as Roger the Magnificient? I am sure Webber killed his father, too! When is a new concept album regarding the theft of Waters' trademarked scale going to be released?
Armoraccio 9 months ago
How is that 12/8? It's clearly 4/4...
Cronana 9 months ago 5
@Cronana 12/8 is pretty much like 4/4 ... it's just that every step are divided in 3 ...
dannq05 3 months ago
With our hands over our ears
Lloyd-Webber's awful stuff
Runs for years and years and years
An earthquake hits the theater
But the operetta lingers
Then the piano lid comes down
And breaks his fucking fingers
It's a miracle
downfabio 9 months ago 2
@downfabio Good game man!
wroleSwayne 9 months ago
"Yeah, the beginning of that bloody Phantom song is from Echoes. *DAAAA-da-da-da-da-da* . I couldn't believe it when I heard it. It's the same time signature - it's 12/8 - and it's the same structure and it's the same notes and it's the same everything. Bastard. It probably is actionable. It really is! But I think that life's too long to bother with suing Andrew fucking Lloyd Webber."
Polterguist 9 months ago
But to answer your question, YES, Andrew Lloyd Webber stole from Pink Floyd, absolutely. Didn't he get the idea to spend his life writing horrible shitty music from listening to "Atom Heart Mother"? I thought I heard that somewhere.
alexmortland 10 months ago 2
I wrote a song that goes from C to G in the verses. This being the case, I would like to contact Roger Waters for permission to use portions of his composition "Pigs On The Wing (Pts 1 & 2)".
alexmortland 10 months ago
Phantom was written post 1984; there have been numerous suits against Webber regarding this opera alone.
Wikipedia is a beautiful thing...
AnticrustPizza 10 months ago
thats too close to call. but he definitely stole "Memories" from Ravel's Bolero
JackSmith07 10 months ago
it was probably on accident geez i bet webber never even heard of echoes then he wrote it.
THeBEEtleNAMEdGEORGe 10 months ago
i love pink floyd i mean they are my most favorite band ever
always been...
but i have to slightly disagree on walters a bit. i think this is pure conicidence. plus this is a scale. and even if webber did rip of echoes, i don't think there's much to go crazy about. it's nothing too major :/
lots of artists recycle works of other artists anyways. it's only a problem when the recycled portion is really really big and noticable!
ThinkFastBoom93 10 months ago
more importantly.. webber stole his face from an over-zealous pig rapist that caught fire and was extinguished with tennis shoes
stevolution666 11 months ago
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Pink Floyd are thieving bastards. Webber is a true artist.
psymonb 11 months ago
@psymonb Sorry to burst your bubble but Pink Floyd released "Echoes" in 1971 while Andrew Lloyd Webber's "The Phantom of the Opera" was first performed in 1986.
MoviesAndMusic69 11 months ago
@psymonb
Lol at this guy.
spyguy41 10 months ago
@psymonb - Aaaanndd I guess that would make you what...a true moron...with zero musical taste? You sound like some nerd who spent a lot of time stuffed in a high-school locker.
Nightowl4272 9 months ago
I hate Webber. I have no trouble imagining him stealing Echoes and feeling so fucking smug about it. This is not the only time he's done it.
buckleygeneration 11 months ago
"Yeah, the beginning of that bloody Phantom song is from Echoes. *DAAAA-da-da-da-da-da* . I couldn't believe it when I heard it. It's the same time signature - it's 12/8 - and it's the same structure and it's the same notes and it's the same everything. Bastard. It probably is actionable. It really is! But I think that life's too long to bother with suing Andrew fucking Lloyd Webber"
killaluvsblink182 11 months ago
@killaluvsblink182 "Life's too long " ...really...you wanna think about that?
QueenReigns1 11 months ago
OK, but: for me it's the phrasing, timing, and timbre that make them so similar -- not to mention the particular five notes and their ascent and descent. That's why Phantom sounds like PHANTOM -- why we can recognize it -- and not any other composer's use of chromatic scales. And why Phantom sounds like Echoes.
mcgeesorg 11 months ago 12
HE STOLE HIS LETTERS TOO!
wagdawgwag 1 year ago
Let me tell you something. A stupid boring musical like Phantom of the Opera will never compare to the awesomeness that is Pink Floyd. Webber ripped off Waters completely. End of story. nuff said.
Dgamer21 1 year ago
@Dgamer21
Amen to that.
spyguy41 10 months ago
clementi's music has chromatic scales, too...is he a plagiarist?
dance2butterfly 1 year ago
@dance2butterfly - Which Clementi composition could I listen to and recognize Echoes? 12 tones may be a limited vocabulary but by adding timing, tempo and repetition you get an infinite number of musical permutations. Are any of Clementi's compositional "permutations" as immediately comparable as Phantom is to Echoes?
Nightowl4272 9 months ago
It may sound similar but it's not copying or stealing or anything because its a scale of tones not a written peice! (well of course it was probably physically written but you know what I mean) Its just a single part. If a wrote a song with that scale of tones would it be stealing? NO because it is a SCALE
kaykay9712 1 year ago
Does anybody knows which version of Echoes this is?
tamistamistamis 1 year ago
@tamistamistamis
Live at royal albert hall
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tadeusz123 1 year ago
@tamistamistamis sounds like a live version, just search around
low72 11 months ago
How many 12/8 time riffs can you name? And these two happen to have the exact same notes and rhythm? Obviously it was stolen. (If you're going to steal something, at least improve upon it... the Pink Floyd version is still 1000x better)
erikmartin2 1 year ago 55
@erikmartin2 the phantom song is 4/4, not 12/8. its just a chromatic scale, and the pink floyd version is very different if you really sit and listen to it. Now personally, I the only webber musicals I give a shit for are JCS and Phantom, other than those, his musicals suck and are plagued by the same shit that broadway is known for. I really have no personal bias, is my point.
generosos87 10 months ago
@erikmartin2 Webber's is not in 12/8. How many chromatic riffs are there? Millions upon millions. Who owns the chromatic scale? Not Pink Floyd. Composers have used ascending and descending chromatic scales for hundreds of years. Tchaikovsky has a near identical chromatic line running in the double basses in the 1812 Overture. Obviously it wasn't stolen.
1AdrianR 7 months ago
@erikmartin2 uhh how is that 12/8?
matofender 4 months ago
@erikmartin2
yeah let's ignore the fact that it's used in a completely different musical context and it's a fucking chromatic scale.
god, even if it was influenced by echoes, it's so different it doesn't matter. do you understand how songwriting works? Artists are influenced by eachother all the time without their realizing it. The fact that it's a chromatic scale only makes it even more plausible he came up with it independently, or at the very least even less significant.
RowRowChaosPowah 4 months ago
@RowRowChaosPowah Well yeah but the rhythm's the same too. I think that's what he was getting at. Not trying to get at you, just saying.
tomisthesound 4 months ago
@RowRowChaosPowah Even so, the fact that they're both in 12/8 can't be coincidental.
FetaCheese222 4 months ago
Well, to be honest, many songs just have a tendency to have a similar sound. It doesn't mean that musicians are stealing it from it each other. There's so many bands out there that sound a lot alike, but it's still their own style. I think that's the case with this. It's probably just a coincidence.
GrowlanserSlayn 1 year ago
Yeahhhhhhh...... No.
It sounds nothing like it.
Psythik 1 year ago
@Psythik
Hahaha keep telling yourself that. Its exactly the same.
Rush1013 1 year ago
@Rush1013 I will not feed the trolls.
Psythik 1 year ago
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Rush1013 1 year ago
I think it's coincidence. I can't count how many time's I've played something and someone from my band says "OH! That sounds like X". Most of the time I've never heard "X". It just happens.
DLVitt 1 year ago 2
ok so i love both of these artists but Echoes 23:29 long i know that part is a popular rift but honestly like andrew lloyd webber would actually still it. ps artists dont need to steal from artists if they do there not truly artists and andrew lloyd wbber is a genius just look at the rest of the phantom or was that stolen too ?
500gerbils 1 year ago
@500gerbils Aaaactually, there's a lot of ALW "original" pieces that are highly reminiscent of other people's work; he's even been sued for stealing (he settled out of court, as I recall).
I like ALW for the most part, but he's not a "genius"; he's a guy who is very sucessful at writing pop musicals, and yeah, he does steal stuff on occasion.
youtube. com/ watch? v= wW5wwi4ahLc is a good place to start...
KryssLaBryn 8 months ago
i'm quite certain that the phantom of the opera came out a lil bit before pink floyd wrote this song lmao
duichbag 1 year ago
@duichbag
Why don't you check the facts? Echoes is from 1971, Phantom is from 1986.
Are you seriously that dumb?
Soreanol 1 year ago
@Soreanol for 1. the book phantom of the opera came out in 1909 and was published in 1910 where the original idea came from from by a french named Gaston Leroux 2. the movie that had the original copy of the song came out in 1920 the musical didn't come around till 1986 so how bout you check your facts dumb ass
duichbag 1 year ago
@duichbag
Hahahahaha you fucking idiot this song was released in 71 of the album "Meddle", idk when Phantom of the Opera came out but i know for a fact it was much later then Echos.
Rush1013 1 year ago
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@Rush1013 for 1. the book phantom of the opera came out in 1909 and was published in 1910 where the original idea came from from by a french named Gaston Leroux 2. the movie that had the original copy of the song came out in 1920 the musical didn't come around till 1986 so how bout you check your facts dumb ass
duichbag 1 year ago
@Rush1013 and also to tell u both were before my time i'm 18 but i'k my facts on it and honestly to tell u the truth they all copied bach's fugue in d minor cuz all 3 are the same and the 1st movie for phantom of the opera with the "ORIGINAL" copy of the song came out in 1920 weber took the copywright of the song and produced it with better quality so you and that other guy that don't know shit can look up all the info i told you
duichbag 1 year ago
@duichbag
The movie came out in 1925 and didn't feature the song, considering the song wouldn't even be written for another 60 years.
Nice to see you have your facts straight.
spyguy41 10 months ago
@spyguy41 then watch the original movie k thanks bye
duichbag 10 months ago
@duichbag
It wasn't in the fucking 1925 version! It was written by Andrew Lloyd Webber in the 80s! Do you have any concept of time?
This song was NOT in the Phantom flick with Lon Chaney Sr, against all which you may believe, you daft piece of useless fuck.
spyguy41 9 months ago
@duichbag Aaalso, the 1925 Chaney movie was a silent. Yeah, it had music written for it, but this riff wasn't in it.
PF released Echoes in 1971.
ALW first publically played the title song to POTO in 1986. Roger Waters himself thought it was a direct ripoff, so he certainly didn't give ALW permission to use it.
ALW rips off songs on occasion. He's been sued for it. Doesn't make POTO a bad song; it just doesn't make it completely original. He should have licensed the riff, that's all.
KryssLaBryn 8 months ago
@duichbag Bach's Tocatta & Fugue in D Minor sounds NOTHING like either song, so at this point I'm assuming you're either stone deaf or a troll. :D
KryssLaBryn 8 months ago
@KryssLaBryn yea i'm secretly charlie sheen didn't you know?
duichbag 8 months ago
Ok, I'll say the similarity is uncanny, but there is no way that Lloyd Webber actually did that on purpose. I mean, come on, he'd be stupid if he thought he could purposely use a popular riff and get away with it. It's possible for it to have come into his head because of Echoes, but there's no way he could just go "Hmmmmm, I like this song. Let's use it in Phantom. It's really popular, but nobody will notice..."
01InsideOut01 1 year ago
I hate Lloyd Webber and his stupid face. Beside that, The Phantom Of The Opera is so corny that it makes sick.
dustasdu 1 year ago
which version of echoes is it ??? its not from meddle right ?? sounds bit different ... ^^
GermanStel 1 year ago
@GermanStel maybe its the version from works? idk i agreee though it is a bit different
murryman11 1 year ago
@murryman11 Nah, Echoes isn't even on Works. You're used to hearing the part where Gilmour picks notes up and down the chromatic scale in a variation of the riff. This is just another variation of that riff only with chords and not individual picked notes.
7StringsofWonder 1 year ago
Andrew Lloyd Weber saw this video 6 times. I don't call it plagiarism, but what's amusing is Waters insulted him in the song "It's a miracle."
Polterguist 1 year ago
For a second, I thought Miley Cyrus stole part of Echos and Phantom of the Opera rift. Just listen closely to When I look at you, just parts of the song sounds like Echos and Phantom of the Opera.
BearcatWizard 1 year ago
@BearcatWizard
LOL listen to Cyrus? Feel at your forehead for a moment man! XD
ACornyCrayon 1 year ago
FRIGGEN COPIER
ShaneGuitar13 1 year ago
It does sound similar, but Roger Waters ought to be grateful that Andrew even listens to their music. Top class shit-stirrer right there.
TopGearFanForever 1 year ago
One thing to set absolutely straight:
Pink Floyd didn't know what they were talking about when they said that this melody is in 12/8 rhythm. It's very obvious, but if you're not convinced, take it from me--I'm a classical musician. It's in common time. Pink Floyd hardly knows music theory.
HanEllipsis 1 year ago
Ridiculous. It's interesting that Waters "chose" not to sue. The fact is he COULDN'T sue because there are no 8 notes in direct succession that are the same in both songs. Unless there are 8 notes in succession there are no grounds for suing, as it doesn't count as plagerising. There are only 6 notes in succession from Echoes in Phantom. Waters just likes to imagine he's better than Andrew Lloyd Webber. I'd like to see Roger Waters write a musical that would survive 21 years in London's West End
ChazAndBex 1 year ago
@ChazAndBex Actually, the pitch sequence, albeit tonally transposed, is identical in the two songs. This is a contentious but irrelevent issue. Throughout the history of music, composers and/or songwriters have often been influence, or more, by each other's works. What concerns me is that Waters believed that this melody is in 12/8, which is it emphatically not. Never take a rock musician's word for even the simplest music theory knowledge. They know effectively nothing.
HanEllipsis 1 year ago
@HanEllipsis (And nothing proves this more than the fact that even with his own band's song, he couldn't get it right. Rock music is great for entertainment, but to worship a rock musician might just be the most time-wasting thing an individual can do.)
HanEllipsis 1 year ago
@HanEllipsis I would disagree... on the last part.
blavaburnulots 1 year ago
@ChazAndBex Funny thing that... ever heard of The Wall? Guaranteed its a "musical" (of sorts) that will last much longer. How long ago was it? Ah! Almost 40 years ago and Dark Side of the Moon is as relevant today as it was in 1973. Would you like to talk about Wish You Were Here next?
blavaburnulots 1 year ago
@ChazAndBex No offense, but I'm pretty sure if Roger Waters wanted to he could write one that'd survive that long. Don't get me wrong though - I love Phantom of the Opera AND Pink Floyd.
joethulhuz 1 year ago
At first I thought that the beginning was Phantom Of The Opera and I was like "Well Duh!"
SamTalmadge 1 year ago
wow this is not freaking plagarism
this is half steps up and down. it has been done in musical warm ups for many many years. five notes at a time up and down. choruses still sometimes do it in harmony.
jhniscolV2 1 year ago
I hope ALW is ashamed of himself.
And puh-leezee cut out the 12/8 vs 4/4 bs. You obviously don't know what you are talking about.
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xxMsEdwardCullenxx1 1 year ago
@xxMsEdwardCullenxx1 Andrew Lloyd Webber is far from amazing. Cats was bullshit, Phantom Of The Opera was mediocore (the original silent film was much better), and Evita was hardly palatable. Then again, I hardly take an opinion seriously from a person who has a Twilight themed name. No one with an ounce of good taste would get wrapped up in such a sub par story clearly written by someone with no sense of already established mythology.
byesko86 1 year ago
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xxMsEdwardCullenxx1 1 year ago
@xxMsEdwardCullenxx1 If you were to had actually read and understood what I had written to you in the first place, you would know that I never once mentioned who wrote what. I challenged your statement of Webber being a genius. Would you care to try again?
byesko86 1 year ago
@xxMsEdwardCullenxx1 the idea for the musical started 1984... echoes came out in 1971. Nice try jackass.
DylanTMathews 1 year ago
@byesko86 [on the subject of Lloyd Webber] ...in your opinion, which by the way is not a fact.
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1AdrianR 1 year ago
@1AdrianR Just because something lasts a long time doesn't necessarily mean it is good. Take The Lawrence Welk Show, for instance.
byesko86 1 year ago
@1AdrianR The abilty to write has no bearing on the ability to criticise.
matafuko 1 year ago
@1AdrianR seriously... calm the fuck down! i thought the phantom song was pretty good until i realized it was stolen from Pink Floyd. NO ONE steals from Pink Floyd and deserves ANY credit or praise.
Go ahead and say that your a Phantom Of The Opera fan and try to feel proud knowing it was ripped off...
meanwhile i'll say i'm a Pink Floyd fan and proud of it FOR LIFE!!
nevets0910 1 year ago
@xxMsEdwardCullenxx1 HAHA! That is the stupidets defense I've ever heard... "He's too amazing to steal" Right, coincidence... and I turned a hard line communist into a nice capitalist cut throat. That was sarcasm... not that I'm insulting everyone else's ability to read it.
blavaburnulots 1 year ago
Seriously, marching up and down a scale does not equal plagiarism.
Also, the song was written by the whole band, not just Waters.
He wasn't the ONLY song writer in the group, all 4 of them were.
The only compositions that were even mostly Waters were The Wall and Final Cut, and even those albums had major input from the rest of the band.
mrsleep0000 1 year ago 3
@mrsleep0000 The Wall had some input from everybody except Richard Wright... The Final Cut was solely written by Roger Waters.
blavaburnulots 1 year ago
It's a fucking chromatic scale. It doesn't belong to Roger Waters. It doesn't belong to Webber. It's not plagiarism, It's music, and music belongs to everyone.
hamrick4900 1 year ago 17
@hamrick4900 beautifully put..
khurshedthekiller 1 year ago
@hamrick4900 why does your terrible post has so many thumbs up?
chromatic scale you say?
Bakloyd 1 year ago
@Bakloyd It's a scale of notes that musicians play for practice and tuning their instruments used by everyone. It goes as someone playing every note possible in an ascending and/or descending order.
mkewl209 11 months ago
@mkewl209 it's not like you've written something I don't know, anyways read the post underneath yours and you'll understand. Even if it's considered as a chromatic scale, Webber obviously ripped off Pink Floyd, I mean he's already infamous for ripping off other artists anyway
Bakloyd 11 months ago
@hamrick4900 This isn't a chromatic scale. I suggest you learn music theory before you say something like that.
onyxfig 11 months ago
@hamrick4900 Same time signature, same phrasing? Either way it wasn't original. But he probably stole it.
tybaron23 10 months ago 2
@hamrick4900 - True...nothing's new, everything's been done before. But my question I have is, did Webber compose that ultra cool riff from his own creative inspiration? Or was he "inspired" by Floyd? I'm going with, the latter....
Nightowl4272 9 months ago
@hamrick4900 you're as moron and clueless as a donkey, with you're logic there wouldn't be something called plagiarism, what's worse is that 18 idiots gave you thumps up, unappreciative dumbasses
Bakloyd 9 months ago
@hamrick4900 That's definitely not a chromatic scale considering it's not 12 notes ascending/descending a semi-tone apart. If you're going to argue about music, maybe you should actually know something about it first.
TheChimpvanzee 9 months ago 2
If you searched through music prior to Echoes, it is guaranteed that there is another ascending and descending chromatic scale very similar to this. Roger Waters does not own the chromatic scale. Andrew Lloyd Webber is a brilliant composer who, like Waters, wrote using chromatic scales.
1AdrianR 1 year ago 4