@ricolie: watch any of the videos of testimony by Iraq veterans about how they were ordered to kill unarmed civilians including women and children. That's a clear war crime. It's a known fact the WMD intel was a lie they admitted it. Do some research and educate yourself about a topic before you go around calling people wack jobs. Or at least cite examples were there mistaken. Your obviously to much of a dumb ass to make a valid argument so you resort to calling people wack jobs. You should be
Revolt against a government that sleeps with world bankers(federal reserve) that print FIAT money and equates it into the asset equivalent of gold and charges us for it.Government creates austerity policies to make us pay for paper. Stop economic crimes against humanity ie. millions essentially embezzled by global political and financial zionist "insiders club." A 2nd or 3rd world existence...our forefathers didn't fight, shed blood and sacrifice their lives for that. WAKE UP and SMELL THE LIES.
Um, I'm sure Gonzales had a bigger role in it than that. He was one of the worst members of the Bush administration. He's a real big torture enthusiast, so I hear.
BUSH= getting senile , CHENEY = already a foot in his grave ,PETRAEUS= prostate cancer +heart attack AMERICA what are you doing , cure them We want them able to respond to their audition in THE INTERNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTICE , reopen 9/11 and DECLASSIFICATION OF ALL DOCUMENTS ABOUT 9/11
Why have we all forgotten this so soon!! We are still fighting the war in iraq and the war was based on fabricated WMD evidence and our economy is suffereing from cost of expensive war and cost of American life. I want people to be held accountable for this!!! Is this all talk? Less talk more action!
@jsheridan06 agreed!...i think thats why they voted in the black man, hes the new threat/bad guy for ignorant americans to focus on. what gets me is that its so obvious that 9/11 was a false flag attack. how are so many people ignoring this, and all the terror that came from it.
I WILL NEVER FORGET, OR STOP TALKING ABOUT IT UNTIL I SEE JUSTICE
as far as my actions, i spread the word and i no longer pay for war (taxes & big corporations)
FUCK THE U.S. GOVERNMENT they're the true terrorists
@hangout4eva you don't even know what your talking about, 95% of the people how were locked up in guantanamo bay were innocent, they never got a trial. they all were tortured, if you dont believe me watch the documentary "Taxi To The Dark Side"
Why are Americans aloud to get away with this. Why isn't bush in jail for this. You can't get around it. It is what it is Bush needs to be prosecuted, as well as Cheney and the only people who disagree with that are people who don't agree with the constitution. God. Just read the amendment!... hes going against it!. he does illegal activity and puts a new name on it
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Rachel Maddow: Thank you for keeping the public pressure up for an investigation. I am sure Milosovich, Sadam and Hitler all acted within the framework of their legal sytem. A more important question is "Is it moral?". The only way the US will ever regain credibility on the world stage again is to investigate and prosecute and show no body is above the law. The message this will send to the world is "Sometimes bad people get into power, but the ideals the US represents are unshakable."
For the last time shoving water down peoples noses to scare them and playing loud music is not torture. Shoving bamboo through someones fingernails, putting someone in boiling water, tearing off someones skin is torture. There are horrible monstrous things that are torture. But unless im torturing myself when water goes up my nose, this is not.
That's not what they did. Do a Google search for "leaked torture photos obama" if you want to see leaked photos of the actual type of torture being used. It is ugly but if you look at the pictures you will immediately see waterboarding isn't the only thing going on over there.
Also, Obama is complicit because he specifically blocked a FOIA Request by the American people about the torture photos. So we can never see what either Bush or Obama is doing.
I thought Obama was going to close down Guantanamo Bay... lol. Once these people get power all bets are off. Shorter term limits anyone?
"To be down with torture" is a terrifying thing if you think about it. What kind of civilization condones torture? I wonder what Jesus Christ would think about torture.
B: War crimes are are "violations of the laws or customs of war"; including "murder, the ill-treatment or deportation of civilian residents of an occupied territory to slave labor camps", "the murder or ill-treatment of prisoners of war", the killing of hostages, "the wanton destruction of cities, towns and villages, and any devastation not justified by military, or civilian necessity"...
A. But if you know about American government, you should know that the office of the Vice President is a joke. He has no authority, the President could ignore him if he wanted to. It is considered a dead-end job in politics.
B. Okay, I'm glad there is at least one person who has a grasp.
But how does this apply to the War on Terror? Terrorists are not POW's, and we are not fire bombing cities like we did in WW2...we have very precise weapons, with minimal crossfire casualties.
*sigh* Article 5 section 2 of the Geneva Convention works in the situation that members of the Taliban forces are presumed to enjoy POW status as long as a competent tribunal doesn't determine otherwise. Furthermore even those who aren't entitled POW status remain protected by the guarentees covered in the 1949 Forth Geneva Convention such as humane treatment.
Again, Article 5 depends on the definition of a POW in Article 4, which does not apply to detainees held by the US.
And the concept of "Protected Persons" in the Fourth Geneva Convention is heavily dependent on the notion of States, that is- occupying States, occupied State, neutral States, and the nationals of those States. Yet we have terrorist organizations which are Stateless and terrorists who are across national borders and swear allegiance to that group, not any State.
This is a war. You can't argue with that and if you try then the only other explaination is that we're going to take over Afghanistan and make it the 51st state of America. It's a war plain and simple. A war that for the record I'm choosing to fight. But then again I also know not to cross the line on stripping a person naked, beating the shit out of them, drowning them or who knows what else. They're called Black Sites for a reason. We don't know what goes on there.
Is it a declared war or just a police action? Could it be considered like any war we have ever fought or the sort of wars that Geneva was created to address? No, it is an unconventional war against unconventional organizations, not an entire nation.
Like you said, we don't know what goes on at those sites, so you are purely speculating when you accuse Americans of "beating the shit" out of anybody.
We wouldn't expect soldiers to do things like that, such as in Abu Ghraib.
But hey if you're so willing to defend the improper handling and detaining of these prisoners...who are at war with us and we are at war with...you know...prisoners..of..war...well then come on down and join up too. Go ahead and go over there with me and try some of it now after it's been deemed ILLEGAL. I'm sure they'd be willing to throw a Dishonorable Discharge at you and black mark you forever.
Just because you think it makes sense, and all wars are the same, doesn't make it legally same. Repeating "war" and "prisoners of war" doesn't make it so.
Besides, its not like the US is torturing everybody it grabs a hold of. Like I mentioned before, it has been used on 3 people, and that all happened in 2002. The Justice Department has still drawn a line which cannot be crossed, and GITMO was considered a model medium-sized prison
We do not treat the detainees like the utter shit they are.
WOW, this just in breaking news OMSNBC is Bush bashing. Never heard footage before of OMSNBC being 1000% partisan. Stay tuned BLAH, BLAH, BLAH! Bash Bush, Bash Bush, get a chill up your leg from Obama, Bash Bush, Talk out of your butt, Bach Bush its the same story day after day after day with this tabloid
There is no network with a bigger lack of credibility, professionalism, truth, bipartisan, honest, balanced and integrity than OMSNBC
No American should ever answer to the laws of another nation for anything. Life is never going be a utopia of shiny happy people holding hands. Is being tortured really any worse than being killed. Are we going to be prosecuted for the entire course of American History.
What you think that because we are American that holds us above the law? If the US signs a treaty or charter that has in it any form of international law the United States is LEGALLY BOUND to obey those laws per Article 6 of the Constitution as if they were our own country's laws. You might want to actually read into your country's laws and your rights before spouting off your rebel "I ain't gonna do what you say 'cause I'm an American!" Laws are in place for a reason...get used to it
You are correct to a point. It will and should be Americans who hold themselves accountable but that doesn't give the green light to go around breaking the laws that America agreed to uphold whenever we want without consequences. That's pure hypocrisy plain and simple no matter how to try to attempt to justify it to fit your form of logic. It's not ok for other countries to torture and maim but if we do it it's alright and to hell with anyone who thinks differently...is that it?
See my other answer...we have not broken any laws under the Geneva convention.
The rest of the world was alright with keeping Saddam Hussein in power...the British undertook the same sort of actions against the IRA in the 70's, where was the outcry then?
Oh don't even start on the Saddam Hussein situation. I love how everyone chooses to forget that in the 80s oh yeah we'll supply them with the arms, training at Ft Bragg and oh hey you want chemical weapons ok here you go...here is anthrax enjoy! We were so gung ho on giving them everything they needed to do their fighting in the Middle East up till the point where they attacked Kuwait. Go ahead attack everyone hey wait a minute don't go after the oil fields that's US money there!
You cannot equate the Iran-Iraq War with the Persian Gulf War. Although I agree the US should not have gotten involved with the former, there was actually a pretext to that war, namely assassination attempts and bombings in Iraq followed by an invasion of Iran.
Kuwait however was invaded aggressively out of Iraq's economic needs to repay its war debts.
Besides, if the US was really concerned about oil, why wouldn't it try to stop an Iraqi invasion of Iran?
The fact that some of these interrogation "techniques" were performed in the shadows and that outright goes against the Geneva Convention which the United States signed into screams "Hey we know this is wrong but if nobody sees it than no big deal right?"
And how is it wrong under the Geneva Convention? Certainly you're aware that terrorists are not considered soldiers, they do not have a state, and when they are captured they are not POW's. How in the world does that convention signed in the days of World War II have anything to do with them?
You can't go running into territory that isn't yours, shoot the place up, take people (called kidnapping hello) and start cranking on their body like it's a '67 Chevy motor. You want to call it the War on Terror but deny them POW status. We're fighting against individuals whom we declared war on...we capture them therefor Prisoners of War. It's pretty straight forward. I love how you are trying to side step the rules and what you can't you twist it so it can work for your situation.
Does this also mean that when policemen take people into custody it is called kidnapping? Do you know how many people were actually waterboarded? 3. 3 people, all in high levels of terrorist organizations, were waterboarded.
There was no declaration of war, even I can admit that the term War on Terror is just rhetoric. Not everybody who is captured is considered a prisoner of war. It is spelled out in Geneva that once captured, you must take their rank and serial number for example.
Oh so the US Military are policemen now. So instead of the Pledge of Allegiance perhaps we should start singing the Team America theme instead. When the police take people into custody they are US citizens and have probable cause. Do we have that overseas? No. We have members of the US Military attacking and being attacked by an opposing military force. A MILITARY force.
I don't recall a formal declaration of war against the United States by the People's Militia of Afghanistan or Iraq or wherever. To call these people military would only be in the most loose definition of the word.
You make a good point mentioning that policemen pick up US citizens with probable cause...which only makes my point more valid. Would you argue that foreign terrorists would be held to the same high standard as American citizens? During a time of war as you have mentioned?
Yes but we also do not waterboard as you've mentioned previously...what you think that's all that was done? You obviously never read or watched the MSNBC report from the Red Cross about what happened at the Black Sites. "Shackled by their arms to the ceilings, fitted with collars and slammed head first into the walls, were waterboarded, beaten and kicked, locked in small metal boxes, deprived of solid food, exposed to extreme heat and cold etc etc etc" Obviously not too bad according to you.
No, I think by virtue of my views it should be obvious that I do not watch MSNBC. Besides, I thought the whole trouble with the Black Sites, as you argued, was that we don't know what happens there. Now you expect me to believe you suddenly know all about what happens there because of what you heard on MSNBC of all places?
That kind of treatment is unethical and illegal by international law that the US signed and agreed to follow so what makes it legal in your eyes? Or is it not that bad? Perhaps then if it's not that bad then maybe you'd like to volunteer to have it done to yourself to see how bad it can really be?
I dont think I need to repeat myself. I have already explained why it is not illegal
As far as Im concerned, the unethical thing would be to give these people free housing and food without doing whatever possible to find out information.
Just because something seems bad or harsh doesn't make it unethical. I wouldnt volunteer myself to be waterboarded obviously, but then again I also wouldnt volunteer to stay in prison for ten years if I wanted to understand the plight of the common criminal
No you've explained why it's not illegal in your eyes. It's obvious that a good percentage of the US plus an extremely large portion of the world seems to disagree with you because of the non humane treatment that was given. But I guess you and Dick Cheney have one more thing in common...the apparent lack interest in performing the job correctly but we just know everything we do is right because "Hey I am in power so I say so..."
If you're correct then why is this link active? Why are there talks about it? If it was legal and alright to do it then this discussion wouldn't be taking place. Nothing will be able to disprove you to you. Every living person is entitled to humane treatment period. That is per international law that the United States of America agreed over 60 years ago to follow and uphold. And even if we didn't agree to it there is the US Army Field Manual that we have to follow.
That's definitely not true. Based on your logic, anything with questionable legality should automatically be considered illegal. Trust me, if you have any kind of concrete evidence, it could convince me, but I've had this same discussion dozens of times before.
Again...Code of the US Fighting Force part C (love how you neglect to see this one) "It is a violation of the Geneva Convention to place a prisoner under physical or mental duress, torture or any other form of coercion in an effort to secure information." So what...the people we captured are on a vacation? Hacienda? Instructional Seminar? Hey maybe it's one of those annoying Time Share deals!
The geneva convention also says a detainee has to be allowed to practice their faith and have a minister appointed to them. We need to add a Vegan diet amendment to it.
Reguardless...as the saying goes you can lead a horse to water but you just can't force it to drink. You have the mentality that do whatever it takes to get the job done. If that was the mentality that every person in the US Government had then we should have dropped nukes on every country that may or may not have harbored terrorists. But we didn't because there are laws prohibiting that just like there are laws that say you can't torture people for information.
Everything that it takes within the law, which was clearly spelled out by the Justice Department and the Bush Administration. Bush said to do everything possible within the law, to follow the Army Field Manual.
You just have to accept that certain situations are treated differently than others, but as long as they do not cross a line they are no less legitimate
But I guess the ends justify the means huh? That right there is exactly why two thirds of the world hates America. We spout off about freedoms, rights and following the laws and traditions but as soon as they aren't looking we get someone like you who thinks that because they got money and got into power that hey...laws? What laws? Hell I'll just re-write them so I can do whatever I want because I can!
No, two thirds of the world hates America because one third happens to be leftist industrialized countries, and another third is third world dictatorships.
Like I've said before, there are no laws we are breaking. Because of that, public opinion in other countries does not matter as much as you might think.
Code of the US Fighting Force part C states that "It is a violation of the Geneva Convention to place a prisoner under physical or mental duress, torture or any other form of coercion in an effort to secure information." Even if they aren't POW they are prisoners. They have rights even if they break the law or fly a plane into some towers and kill tens of thousands of people. And if that's not enough go look up the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005.
It says not to torture...but it does not define torture does it? "Mental duress"? That could be literally anything. Hell, just being captured at all could be considered mental duress.
We treat American convicts worse than that by just locking them up, and while they may still have rights, the terrorists certainly have less rights than US citizens or POW's.
Wow you're actually going to try to cut it down and make it like it's not applicable to the situation. It's been proven that these people terrorists and some just that annoying case of mistaken identity with Khalid el-Masri...oh sorry we read your name wrong but we'll fly you off to Afghanistan and beat you as well as sodomize you as well...were tortured...you refuse to see it that way why I don't know...it's concrete enough you just ignore it totally.
Any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him, or a third person, information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind. I hope that's clear enough for you...or I could draw some neato pictures if that will help.
But then again even if you looked it up it probably still wouldn't matter because it's pretty obvious that you've got that "Hey we're America we can do whatever we want and screw what anyone else thinks!" Sorry buddy but it doesn't work that way.
Oh and I seem to recall some speech Bush made to Congress on Sept 20th 2001...oh what was that? Oh yeah! Bush rallying the nation and Congress with the plans for a "War on Terror." A formal declaration of war was never made but the thumbs up go ahead and we'll fund you all the way was given.
That doesn't make it a traditional war or the people we are fighting soldiers. We have a War on Drugs, but we don't consider the drug dealers we pick up to be POW's do we? And before we go off on a tangent talking about drug dealers; my point is that these people don't have a state, which I have repeatedly mentioned above.
Even if Obama does stop torture by domestic officials, he will never stop supporting puppet regimes that will do it for them. He's only agreed to close down Guantanamo, he hasn't said anything about Bagram or the secret prison in Lithuania. The American public is only getting a slither of the realities of maintaining military hegemony around the world.
How Canadian lawyer unearthed U.S. torture documents
We know that the American government sanctioned Torture of children
1.Crushing childrens gonads.
2. Raping children as young as 8 years of age routinely
3. Sodomizing innocoent people/detainees
4. Torture through sleep deprivation, electric shock, drowning sensory shock, smoke inhalation, & other sanctioned methods to bring about submission of people who didnt have anything to do with 911 & the controlled demolition of the Towers
hey wolf, I am suprised at your comment about us getting other countries to torture for us. I'd like to know where I can read about this! Where did u get the idea that we do this presently?
It's called extraordinary rendition and it's done all the time. Maher Arar, a Canadian citizen, was tortured in a Syrian prison for over 6 months under the slight suspicion of the Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez. He has never been associated with any terrorist organization in his life.
wow chenny good job old basdtard! ,what do yu tell yo grandkids ,that im a digusting old bastard who needs to retire ,maybe it was yo old age that caused you and bush to break your own law,we as the people should question how old should you be before your declared unfit to be in the white house ,we made the mistake wit bush and chenny ,the two old bastards stuck in thier own twisted ways ,i think its chennys age that make him say the thing hes saying ,just like mccain 100 year old bastard
bush & chenney are war-criminals by using torture against terrorists... from the legal stance, there is no excuse for torture... and it`s confirmed war-crimes were commited!
if they will be prosecuted... than we would have a real chance of finding out the truth about 911!!
i wish more truthers would understand and get involved in this issue!
continued:We strong and decent Americans must demonstrate to the world that we are determined and capable of welcoming the responsibility to detain,prosecute,convict,and sadly,but imperatively,execute these two overwhelmingly national embarrassments.Americans must resist apathy,desire the truth,and education,and help ease the difficulties,this administration,and all it's White House basement flunkies,without the slightest hint of compassion,has burdened an unknown number of generations to come.
Bush and Cheney are the two most dishonest,cowardly,, and evil criminal hucksters to fraudulently occupy the White House in the history of this great country.They have thumbed their noses at the Constitution just to gain as much personal wealth as possible at the cost of tens of thousands of mostly innocent humans.But these creatures aren't human,and they probably couldn't care less.
Does not matter the party, they are all puppets to the elite, and the elite love war. They have been involved in every war in some for or another, wake up my friend.
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You liberals blame America for everything. Do you dumbass Olbermann-watchers still believe that Crystal Mangum was raped by those Duke lacrosse players?
Big difference between lying to diver funds and troupes from Afghanistan to get a war on in Iraq and then lying about torture, and lying about a blowjob.
Bush needed evidence to link Saddam to Al Qaeda, and he used 'enhanced interrogation techniques' designed to produce lies in order to get it. What does this prove? It proves that Bush was not just incompetent, he was willfully & criminally incompetent.
Now we must wait & see if the Dept.of Justice will do its job. Prosecute the bastard and his gang of self-confessed criminals.
Worst administration in the history of the USA. Ever.
I think the worst part is when people, especially FOX, try to make bad things seem not so bad, or good things seem bad by changing the name. Estate Tax becomes Death Tax. War in Iraq becomes War on Terror. Torture becomes "Harsh Interrogation" but its still torture. Even if they changed it to "Super happy fun fun interrogation time", its still fucking torture. And by saying its ok to do this becuase they attacked first is not an excuse. An Eye for an Eye makes everyone blind.
There has to be a day of atonement for crimes. Torture is illegal, no if's, and's, or butt's. No more allowing high crimes and criminal actors to go unpunished.
Chemical weapon(illegal White Phosphorus) make by US and used by Israel doing war crime. This is how power talks and how US and Israel dominated the whole world and exercise Chemical weapon in Gaza like the new Hitler of world named US + Israel Govt. Only way to defend humanity is to weaken US and Israeli economy. In future prison like Gaza will be Open. The real truth is nobody care about Gaza Genocide in US.
BTW1 - We praised Eisenhower, who had a 90% tax on the rich. Clinton had a high tax on the rich and he left a $230 billion surplus.
BTW2- Sweden, Germany, Amsterdam, France, Norway. All socialist, all doing much better than the US. Which is the most violent, un-educated, religiously and racially biased modern country.
BTW3 - Intelligent people figured that out a long time ago.
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who gives a damn! Obama is such a fucking librel he wants terrorism. there terrorists! they helped kill so many innocent people. dumb asses. same thing you fags did in the Vietnam War. let them burn in hell!
"Prosecution of George W Bush for Murder!' Vincent Bugliosi" - "Rachel Maddow-Lame Duck, Malcolm Nance... WOW" ("Waterboarding is Torture Period (Links Updated # 9) - Id like to digress from my usual analysis of insurgent strategy and tactics to speak out on an issue of grave importance to Small Wars Journal readers. We, as a nation, are having a crisis of honor. - M.Nance) - "We Used To Execute People For Waterboarding War Crimes! pt.2" - "If Not For WAR CRIMES Than What!!!"
If a conspirator, or anyone for that matter, deliberately sets in motion a chain of events which he knows will cause - that's the key word - cause a third party innocent agent to commit an act, the defendant is criminally responsible for that act. Bush, in invading Iraq, caused Iraqis to kill American soldiers in much the same fashion that a person causes a gun to fire a bullet that kills someone by pulling the trigger." - Vincent Bugliosi
I'm sure many in the adminstration would like nothing better than for Americans to just "move on". - However, part of the process of America being able to "move on" is to convict these criminals for:
1) War Crimes (torture)
2) Treason (not upholding the oath of office to protect the constitution)
3) Murder (by lying to Congress about the justification of going to war (casus belli) the administration is vulnerable to charges of murder.
Even if Bush/Cheney and co aren't convicted or even put on trial ( though i hope they are ), a serious attempt to hold them to account would send a powerful message to future administrations and significantly reduce the damage these bastards have done to the U.S.s reputation in the world.
That's a good point. However, I am SO OUTRAGED by the Cush administration's behavior I will only be satisfied with CONVICTIONS! - I REALLY don't want to see the Hague have to clean up our (U.S.) messes.
Our societal values are so screwed uo in this country. @#$@, we impeach a President for lying to Congress about having sex, but we DON'T IMPEACH a President for lying to Congress about his casus belli (justification for war). Now THAT's OBSCENE!
Whys everybody so upset with bush? He's a nice guy. The kind you could sit down and have a beer with. What's wrong with you people? Give him a chance.
I want the BA to burn...every last one of them. HOWEVER, I could careless about the rights of these animals. Their evil acts warrant no fair treatment.
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Stumbled upon another dumb moonbat post. Get a life people.... Bush and Cheney are our respected leaders -- and thanks to both for their service. Nobody is perfect, but they did a great job all things considered.
what service? Bush never went to war Cheney has only shot his friends. 17 out of 18 water treatment plants Cheny's bussiness owns have tainted water. Cheney has killed more American soldiers then Heussain ever did.
I have a life I have 24 years of military Service My current Commander in Cheif and his admin are war criminals
Now how much of your ass are you willing to risk I've given more then half my life to serve you. I am saying as a war vet send these fuckers to trial for war crimes.
If you were in Germany in the 30's you would have said, Ah, Adolf, he did his best! Respecting positions is one thing if it's constitutional, but when you support a rogue royalist, you are no longer a patriotic American!
The least way to punish bush and cheney is to let the 23 million iraqis throw all their shoes to them. 23 millions times 2 equals 46million shoes.. I think bush and cheney will never missed the shoes.
I will be surprised if Cheney or Bush get prosecuted. Cheney has been behind the scenes for decades as well as the Bush's. I've noticed how this bioengineered swine flu has suddenly taken over lamestream media. They never stop.
I make a very good living from selling guns & ammo to paranoid Republican rubes who believe all the propaganda spewed daily by Fox Noise and Gush Limpballs.
No doubt you've unwittingly put a couple hundred bucks in my wallet in the past few months.
You liberal hypocrites are the ones who want to get rid of the Second Amendment for law-abiding citizens. Yet at the same time, you make excuses for Hollywood celebrities who travel to "gun control" rallies with armed bodyguards and/or personal handguns. You believe George Soros propaganda; that's why you liberals defend tax cheats like Timmy Geithner, Charles Rangel, Tom Daschle, and Kathleen Sebelius. Then again, you're a Democrat, you don't pay taxes.
Uh, didn't Geithner get in trouble for not paying taxes? How about Daschle and Sebelius? Charlie Rangel is the chair of the House Ways and Means Committee. He writes the tax code, despite the fact that he himself is delinquent in $75,000 on his own taxes. And it was well known that gun control activist Rosie O'Donnell got a concealed weapons permit for her bodyguard. Weren't you Democrats lecturing everyone else on ethics? If anyone is the asshat, it is you!
This is for all the dittoheads who believe draft dodgers Cheney, Rove, & Limbaugh:
Said in response to info that KSM was waterboarded 183x:.
I"ts unacceptable...once is too much. Waterboarding is torture, period.... I can ensure you that once enough physical pain is inflicted on someone, they will tell that interrogator whatever they think they want to hear...it serves as a great propaganda tool for those who recruit people to fight against us."
Why should YOU care - you kiss Cheney's feet and claim you're a tough guy - referring to anyone who doesn't as a whacko. It's pretty whacked to be kissing his feet and claiming you're a tough guy at the same time. Only sniveling cowards condone waterboarding - lying, sniveling cowards who don't care at all that torture is practiced by totalitarian regimes, and we stand up against totalitarian regimes. . Sniveling cowards who claim our justice system isn't good enough & that we shoud be afraid.
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You liberals don't hate torture. You support the Islamofascist torture of Christians. And if you are opposed to totalitarian regimes, why do you defend Castro?
Name one liberal who has criticized Robert Mugabe, Kim Jong Il, Fidel Castro, or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Oh wait, NONE, because liberals support tyrants and dictators!
I checked the blog. If you're going to give me alleged proof, at least give the right date. However, you "human rights" activists still have yet to criticize Castro, Kim, and Ahmadinejad.
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I have, pinko. How do you explain the Black Supremacist Caucus praising Castro? Ted Turner has praised Kim. And where were all the left-wing groups when Ahmadinejad spoke at Columbia? Oh, but they'll storm stages when Tom Tancredo speaks!
@ricolie: watch any of the videos of testimony by Iraq veterans about how they were ordered to kill unarmed civilians including women and children. That's a clear war crime. It's a known fact the WMD intel was a lie they admitted it. Do some research and educate yourself about a topic before you go around calling people wack jobs. Or at least cite examples were there mistaken. Your obviously to much of a dumb ass to make a valid argument so you resort to calling people wack jobs. You should be
jonny000005 2 months ago
Revolt against a government that sleeps with world bankers(federal reserve) that print FIAT money and equates it into the asset equivalent of gold and charges us for it.Government creates austerity policies to make us pay for paper. Stop economic crimes against humanity ie. millions essentially embezzled by global political and financial zionist "insiders club." A 2nd or 3rd world existence...our forefathers didn't fight, shed blood and sacrifice their lives for that. WAKE UP and SMELL THE LIES.
courage9070 6 months ago
Comey used to be Ashcroft's assistant, so I guess he's covering.
Torture advocates 1st tier are Cheney, Gonzo, Addington, and Yoo.
2nd tier are Bush and Rumsfeld.
Powell had problems with torture, and Rice may have.
MyTotalRemedy 8 months ago
I thought he crafted the memos?
MyTotalRemedy 9 months ago
Um, I'm sure Gonzales had a bigger role in it than that. He was one of the worst members of the Bush administration. He's a real big torture enthusiast, so I hear.
MyTotalRemedy 9 months ago
these two bitch's are guilty of being chicken hawks, acting like they shed blood on the front line for their country.
2011neesh 1 year ago
BUSH= getting senile , CHENEY = already a foot in his grave ,PETRAEUS= prostate cancer +heart attack AMERICA what are you doing , cure them We want them able to respond to their audition in THE INTERNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTICE , reopen 9/11 and DECLASSIFICATION OF ALL DOCUMENTS ABOUT 9/11
merzbau1 1 year ago
look at the main title, then cover george with your finger and cover everything after dick = "Bush, Dick"
Klarkao 1 year ago
Why have we all forgotten this so soon!! We are still fighting the war in iraq and the war was based on fabricated WMD evidence and our economy is suffereing from cost of expensive war and cost of American life. I want people to be held accountable for this!!! Is this all talk? Less talk more action!
jsheridan06 1 year ago 4
@jsheridan06 agreed!...i think thats why they voted in the black man, hes the new threat/bad guy for ignorant americans to focus on. what gets me is that its so obvious that 9/11 was a false flag attack. how are so many people ignoring this, and all the terror that came from it.
I WILL NEVER FORGET, OR STOP TALKING ABOUT IT UNTIL I SEE JUSTICE
as far as my actions, i spread the word and i no longer pay for war (taxes & big corporations)
FUCK THE U.S. GOVERNMENT they're the true terrorists
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War crimes, you people are wack jobs. You all should just go fuck yourselfs.
richolie 1 year ago
'enhanced interrogation'?
78booby 1 year ago
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xanderkhaan 1 year ago
@hangout4eva you don't even know what your talking about, 95% of the people how were locked up in guantanamo bay were innocent, they never got a trial. they all were tortured, if you dont believe me watch the documentary "Taxi To The Dark Side"
dewan05 1 year ago 2
Why are Americans aloud to get away with this. Why isn't bush in jail for this. You can't get around it. It is what it is Bush needs to be prosecuted, as well as Cheney and the only people who disagree with that are people who don't agree with the constitution. God. Just read the amendment!... hes going against it!. he does illegal activity and puts a new name on it
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Germtrancsuperman 1 year ago
Rachel Maddow: Thank you for keeping the public pressure up for an investigation. I am sure Milosovich, Sadam and Hitler all acted within the framework of their legal sytem. A more important question is "Is it moral?". The only way the US will ever regain credibility on the world stage again is to investigate and prosecute and show no body is above the law. The message this will send to the world is "Sometimes bad people get into power, but the ideals the US represents are unshakable."
Botie2 2 years ago 2
For the last time shoving water down peoples noses to scare them and playing loud music is not torture. Shoving bamboo through someones fingernails, putting someone in boiling water, tearing off someones skin is torture. There are horrible monstrous things that are torture. But unless im torturing myself when water goes up my nose, this is not.
100GeorgeSPatton 2 years ago
That's not what they did. Do a Google search for "leaked torture photos obama" if you want to see leaked photos of the actual type of torture being used. It is ugly but if you look at the pictures you will immediately see waterboarding isn't the only thing going on over there.
JJW101023 1 year ago
Also, Obama is complicit because he specifically blocked a FOIA Request by the American people about the torture photos. So we can never see what either Bush or Obama is doing.
I thought Obama was going to close down Guantanamo Bay... lol. Once these people get power all bets are off. Shorter term limits anyone?
"To be down with torture" is a terrifying thing if you think about it. What kind of civilization condones torture? I wonder what Jesus Christ would think about torture.
JJW101023 1 year ago
i loveeeeeeeeeeeeee u rachel ,, u r beautifull smrat and the u speak truth ,,,,,, love u,
ekdilekpyar14 2 years ago
I'd be willing to bet most of the liberals on this page can't explain
1. Why Bush alone is guilty of war crimes or
2. What a war crime even is
Albyiscool 2 years ago
A: Bush isn't alone...
B: War crimes are are "violations of the laws or customs of war"; including "murder, the ill-treatment or deportation of civilian residents of an occupied territory to slave labor camps", "the murder or ill-treatment of prisoners of war", the killing of hostages, "the wanton destruction of cities, towns and villages, and any devastation not justified by military, or civilian necessity"...
Defiant155 2 years ago
A. But if you know about American government, you should know that the office of the Vice President is a joke. He has no authority, the President could ignore him if he wanted to. It is considered a dead-end job in politics.
B. Okay, I'm glad there is at least one person who has a grasp.
But how does this apply to the War on Terror? Terrorists are not POW's, and we are not fire bombing cities like we did in WW2...we have very precise weapons, with minimal crossfire casualties.
Albyiscool 2 years ago
*sigh* Article 5 section 2 of the Geneva Convention works in the situation that members of the Taliban forces are presumed to enjoy POW status as long as a competent tribunal doesn't determine otherwise. Furthermore even those who aren't entitled POW status remain protected by the guarentees covered in the 1949 Forth Geneva Convention such as humane treatment.
Defiant155 2 years ago
Again, Article 5 depends on the definition of a POW in Article 4, which does not apply to detainees held by the US.
And the concept of "Protected Persons" in the Fourth Geneva Convention is heavily dependent on the notion of States, that is- occupying States, occupied State, neutral States, and the nationals of those States. Yet we have terrorist organizations which are Stateless and terrorists who are across national borders and swear allegiance to that group, not any State.
Albyiscool 2 years ago
This is a war. You can't argue with that and if you try then the only other explaination is that we're going to take over Afghanistan and make it the 51st state of America. It's a war plain and simple. A war that for the record I'm choosing to fight. But then again I also know not to cross the line on stripping a person naked, beating the shit out of them, drowning them or who knows what else. They're called Black Sites for a reason. We don't know what goes on there.
Defiant155 2 years ago
Is it a declared war or just a police action? Could it be considered like any war we have ever fought or the sort of wars that Geneva was created to address? No, it is an unconventional war against unconventional organizations, not an entire nation.
Like you said, we don't know what goes on at those sites, so you are purely speculating when you accuse Americans of "beating the shit" out of anybody.
We wouldn't expect soldiers to do things like that, such as in Abu Ghraib.
Albyiscool 2 years ago
But hey if you're so willing to defend the improper handling and detaining of these prisoners...who are at war with us and we are at war with...you know...prisoners..of..war...well then come on down and join up too. Go ahead and go over there with me and try some of it now after it's been deemed ILLEGAL. I'm sure they'd be willing to throw a Dishonorable Discharge at you and black mark you forever.
Defiant155 2 years ago
Just because you think it makes sense, and all wars are the same, doesn't make it legally same. Repeating "war" and "prisoners of war" doesn't make it so.
Besides, its not like the US is torturing everybody it grabs a hold of. Like I mentioned before, it has been used on 3 people, and that all happened in 2002. The Justice Department has still drawn a line which cannot be crossed, and GITMO was considered a model medium-sized prison
We do not treat the detainees like the utter shit they are.
Albyiscool 2 years ago
WOW, this just in breaking news OMSNBC is Bush bashing. Never heard footage before of OMSNBC being 1000% partisan. Stay tuned BLAH, BLAH, BLAH! Bash Bush, Bash Bush, get a chill up your leg from Obama, Bash Bush, Talk out of your butt, Bach Bush its the same story day after day after day with this tabloid
There is no network with a bigger lack of credibility, professionalism, truth, bipartisan, honest, balanced and integrity than OMSNBC
TandL12 2 years ago
No American should ever answer to the laws of another nation for anything. Life is never going be a utopia of shiny happy people holding hands. Is being tortured really any worse than being killed. Are we going to be prosecuted for the entire course of American History.
maliciouschris 2 years ago
What you think that because we are American that holds us above the law? If the US signs a treaty or charter that has in it any form of international law the United States is LEGALLY BOUND to obey those laws per Article 6 of the Constitution as if they were our own country's laws. You might want to actually read into your country's laws and your rights before spouting off your rebel "I ain't gonna do what you say 'cause I'm an American!" Laws are in place for a reason...get used to it
Defiant155 2 years ago
But it will be Americans who hold themselves accountable. No other country has the right to dictate what America should do.
Albyiscool 2 years ago
You are correct to a point. It will and should be Americans who hold themselves accountable but that doesn't give the green light to go around breaking the laws that America agreed to uphold whenever we want without consequences. That's pure hypocrisy plain and simple no matter how to try to attempt to justify it to fit your form of logic. It's not ok for other countries to torture and maim but if we do it it's alright and to hell with anyone who thinks differently...is that it?
Defiant155 2 years ago
See my other answer...we have not broken any laws under the Geneva convention.
The rest of the world was alright with keeping Saddam Hussein in power...the British undertook the same sort of actions against the IRA in the 70's, where was the outcry then?
Albyiscool 2 years ago
Oh don't even start on the Saddam Hussein situation. I love how everyone chooses to forget that in the 80s oh yeah we'll supply them with the arms, training at Ft Bragg and oh hey you want chemical weapons ok here you go...here is anthrax enjoy! We were so gung ho on giving them everything they needed to do their fighting in the Middle East up till the point where they attacked Kuwait. Go ahead attack everyone hey wait a minute don't go after the oil fields that's US money there!
Defiant155 2 years ago
You cannot equate the Iran-Iraq War with the Persian Gulf War. Although I agree the US should not have gotten involved with the former, there was actually a pretext to that war, namely assassination attempts and bombings in Iraq followed by an invasion of Iran.
Kuwait however was invaded aggressively out of Iraq's economic needs to repay its war debts.
Besides, if the US was really concerned about oil, why wouldn't it try to stop an Iraqi invasion of Iran?
Albyiscool 2 years ago
The fact that some of these interrogation "techniques" were performed in the shadows and that outright goes against the Geneva Convention which the United States signed into screams "Hey we know this is wrong but if nobody sees it than no big deal right?"
Defiant155 2 years ago
And how is it wrong under the Geneva Convention? Certainly you're aware that terrorists are not considered soldiers, they do not have a state, and when they are captured they are not POW's. How in the world does that convention signed in the days of World War II have anything to do with them?
Albyiscool 2 years ago
You can't go running into territory that isn't yours, shoot the place up, take people (called kidnapping hello) and start cranking on their body like it's a '67 Chevy motor. You want to call it the War on Terror but deny them POW status. We're fighting against individuals whom we declared war on...we capture them therefor Prisoners of War. It's pretty straight forward. I love how you are trying to side step the rules and what you can't you twist it so it can work for your situation.
Defiant155 2 years ago
Does this also mean that when policemen take people into custody it is called kidnapping? Do you know how many people were actually waterboarded? 3. 3 people, all in high levels of terrorist organizations, were waterboarded.
There was no declaration of war, even I can admit that the term War on Terror is just rhetoric. Not everybody who is captured is considered a prisoner of war. It is spelled out in Geneva that once captured, you must take their rank and serial number for example.
Albyiscool 2 years ago
Oh so the US Military are policemen now. So instead of the Pledge of Allegiance perhaps we should start singing the Team America theme instead. When the police take people into custody they are US citizens and have probable cause. Do we have that overseas? No. We have members of the US Military attacking and being attacked by an opposing military force. A MILITARY force.
Defiant155 2 years ago
I don't recall a formal declaration of war against the United States by the People's Militia of Afghanistan or Iraq or wherever. To call these people military would only be in the most loose definition of the word.
You make a good point mentioning that policemen pick up US citizens with probable cause...which only makes my point more valid. Would you argue that foreign terrorists would be held to the same high standard as American citizens? During a time of war as you have mentioned?
Albyiscool 2 years ago
Yes but we also do not waterboard as you've mentioned previously...what you think that's all that was done? You obviously never read or watched the MSNBC report from the Red Cross about what happened at the Black Sites. "Shackled by their arms to the ceilings, fitted with collars and slammed head first into the walls, were waterboarded, beaten and kicked, locked in small metal boxes, deprived of solid food, exposed to extreme heat and cold etc etc etc" Obviously not too bad according to you.
Defiant155 2 years ago
"Deprived of solid food"? Wow, the humanity!
No, I think by virtue of my views it should be obvious that I do not watch MSNBC. Besides, I thought the whole trouble with the Black Sites, as you argued, was that we don't know what happens there. Now you expect me to believe you suddenly know all about what happens there because of what you heard on MSNBC of all places?
Albyiscool 2 years ago
That kind of treatment is unethical and illegal by international law that the US signed and agreed to follow so what makes it legal in your eyes? Or is it not that bad? Perhaps then if it's not that bad then maybe you'd like to volunteer to have it done to yourself to see how bad it can really be?
Defiant155 2 years ago
I dont think I need to repeat myself. I have already explained why it is not illegal
As far as Im concerned, the unethical thing would be to give these people free housing and food without doing whatever possible to find out information.
Just because something seems bad or harsh doesn't make it unethical. I wouldnt volunteer myself to be waterboarded obviously, but then again I also wouldnt volunteer to stay in prison for ten years if I wanted to understand the plight of the common criminal
Albyiscool 2 years ago
No you've explained why it's not illegal in your eyes. It's obvious that a good percentage of the US plus an extremely large portion of the world seems to disagree with you because of the non humane treatment that was given. But I guess you and Dick Cheney have one more thing in common...the apparent lack interest in performing the job correctly but we just know everything we do is right because "Hey I am in power so I say so..."
Defiant155 2 years ago
But you haven't been able to disprove me, so it would seem I am correct wouldn't it?
It may not be humane, but who ever said criminals were treated humanely? These people just happen to be beneath common criminals.
Albyiscool 2 years ago
If you're correct then why is this link active? Why are there talks about it? If it was legal and alright to do it then this discussion wouldn't be taking place. Nothing will be able to disprove you to you. Every living person is entitled to humane treatment period. That is per international law that the United States of America agreed over 60 years ago to follow and uphold. And even if we didn't agree to it there is the US Army Field Manual that we have to follow.
Defiant155 2 years ago
That's definitely not true. Based on your logic, anything with questionable legality should automatically be considered illegal. Trust me, if you have any kind of concrete evidence, it could convince me, but I've had this same discussion dozens of times before.
Albyiscool 2 years ago
Again...Code of the US Fighting Force part C (love how you neglect to see this one) "It is a violation of the Geneva Convention to place a prisoner under physical or mental duress, torture or any other form of coercion in an effort to secure information." So what...the people we captured are on a vacation? Hacienda? Instructional Seminar? Hey maybe it's one of those annoying Time Share deals!
Defiant155 2 years ago
The geneva convention also says a detainee has to be allowed to practice their faith and have a minister appointed to them. We need to add a Vegan diet amendment to it.
Back2BackJack 2 years ago
Reguardless...as the saying goes you can lead a horse to water but you just can't force it to drink. You have the mentality that do whatever it takes to get the job done. If that was the mentality that every person in the US Government had then we should have dropped nukes on every country that may or may not have harbored terrorists. But we didn't because there are laws prohibiting that just like there are laws that say you can't torture people for information.
Defiant155 2 years ago
Everything that it takes within the law, which was clearly spelled out by the Justice Department and the Bush Administration. Bush said to do everything possible within the law, to follow the Army Field Manual.
You just have to accept that certain situations are treated differently than others, but as long as they do not cross a line they are no less legitimate
Albyiscool 2 years ago
But I guess the ends justify the means huh? That right there is exactly why two thirds of the world hates America. We spout off about freedoms, rights and following the laws and traditions but as soon as they aren't looking we get someone like you who thinks that because they got money and got into power that hey...laws? What laws? Hell I'll just re-write them so I can do whatever I want because I can!
Defiant155 2 years ago
No, two thirds of the world hates America because one third happens to be leftist industrialized countries, and another third is third world dictatorships.
Like I've said before, there are no laws we are breaking. Because of that, public opinion in other countries does not matter as much as you might think.
Albyiscool 2 years ago
War Crimes = Systematic Genocide = Waterboarding a known terrorist mastermind who killed innocent civilians? That's a pretty broad spectrum.
Back2BackJack 2 years ago
Code of the US Fighting Force part C states that "It is a violation of the Geneva Convention to place a prisoner under physical or mental duress, torture or any other form of coercion in an effort to secure information." Even if they aren't POW they are prisoners. They have rights even if they break the law or fly a plane into some towers and kill tens of thousands of people. And if that's not enough go look up the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005.
Defiant155 2 years ago
It says not to torture...but it does not define torture does it? "Mental duress"? That could be literally anything. Hell, just being captured at all could be considered mental duress.
We treat American convicts worse than that by just locking them up, and while they may still have rights, the terrorists certainly have less rights than US citizens or POW's.
Albyiscool 2 years ago
Wow you're actually going to try to cut it down and make it like it's not applicable to the situation. It's been proven that these people terrorists and some just that annoying case of mistaken identity with Khalid el-Masri...oh sorry we read your name wrong but we'll fly you off to Afghanistan and beat you as well as sodomize you as well...were tortured...you refuse to see it that way why I don't know...it's concrete enough you just ignore it totally.
Defiant155 2 years ago
lol wow you need me to define the word torture to you? I'll be more than willing to do it for you if you need me to.
Defiant155 2 years ago
Any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him, or a third person, information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind. I hope that's clear enough for you...or I could draw some neato pictures if that will help.
Defiant155 2 years ago
But then again even if you looked it up it probably still wouldn't matter because it's pretty obvious that you've got that "Hey we're America we can do whatever we want and screw what anyone else thinks!" Sorry buddy but it doesn't work that way.
Defiant155 2 years ago
Oh and I seem to recall some speech Bush made to Congress on Sept 20th 2001...oh what was that? Oh yeah! Bush rallying the nation and Congress with the plans for a "War on Terror." A formal declaration of war was never made but the thumbs up go ahead and we'll fund you all the way was given.
Defiant155 2 years ago
That doesn't make it a traditional war or the people we are fighting soldiers. We have a War on Drugs, but we don't consider the drug dealers we pick up to be POW's do we? And before we go off on a tangent talking about drug dealers; my point is that these people don't have a state, which I have repeatedly mentioned above.
Albyiscool 2 years ago
Even if Obama does stop torture by domestic officials, he will never stop supporting puppet regimes that will do it for them. He's only agreed to close down Guantanamo, he hasn't said anything about Bagram or the secret prison in Lithuania. The American public is only getting a slither of the realities of maintaining military hegemony around the world.
JimmyeDallas 2 years ago
Hey thanks for sending me that article Jimmy. It's good when you chat with someone who actually can provide info. to back up what they're saying.
rickosuave29 2 years ago
lets show the world that we will investigate this, punish those responsible to ensure it never happens again
Murf077 2 years ago 4
DIKE!!!
TBick1414 2 years ago
By doing that, you show that you are not very tolerant. Somehow, I'm not surprised.
What do you care who she sleeps with? Even IF she is gay.
Either way, she's smarter than you.
GrogMyzer 2 years ago
It's funny cause she looks like a man and talks like a man... prolly bangs like a man too when she straps it on... PUKE!!!
TBick1414 2 years ago
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How Canadian lawyer unearthed U.S. torture documents
We know that the American government sanctioned Torture of children
1.Crushing childrens gonads.
2. Raping children as young as 8 years of age routinely
3. Sodomizing innocoent people/detainees
4. Torture through sleep deprivation, electric shock, drowning sensory shock, smoke inhalation, & other sanctioned methods to bring about submission of people who didnt have anything to do with 911 & the controlled demolition of the Towers
TruthBlade12 2 years ago
wow there is something that i agree with, with this manly looking woman, torture is war crimes, and it is a discrace to america
wh1teflower 2 years ago
dammit why couldnt bush served 4 more years
jsgoodfella 2 years ago
You're kidding, right?
GrogMyzer 2 years ago
So sad...it is so embarrassing to see things like this. Where is Obama with his talk about no one being obove the law? Simply embarrassing...
gunslinger107 2 years ago 6
bush and cheney are war crimials and mass murderers! Hang um high!
phillipmarch22 2 years ago 22
"The Bush adminastration should be PROSSECUTED TO THE FULLEST" !
Beefie100 2 years ago 24
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for what? saving american lives?
gameragodzilla 2 years ago
I agree!!!
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jedirock 2 years ago
Now that Obama is in office, America no longer tortures - we get other countries to do it for us....
TheBloodMoonWolf 2 years ago
hey wolf, I am suprised at your comment about us getting other countries to torture for us. I'd like to know where I can read about this! Where did u get the idea that we do this presently?
rickosuave29 2 years ago
It's called extraordinary rendition and it's done all the time. Maher Arar, a Canadian citizen, was tortured in a Syrian prison for over 6 months under the slight suspicion of the Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez. He has never been associated with any terrorist organization in his life.
JimmyeDallas 2 years ago 2
Next he'll be giving a "thumbs up" to the Khmer Rouge.
jbugko 2 years ago
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No, that's you liberals.
StoogeWatcher 2 years ago
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People "StoogeWatcher" proclaims as leftists because are opposed to waterboarding:
Lieutenant Colonel Yvonne Bradley.
Lieutenant Colonel Darrel J. Vandeveld.
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Captain Carrie Wolf., USAF Judge Advocatge
Captain John Carr, USAF Judge Advocate
jbugko 2 years ago
The only soldiers liberals support are phonies like Jesse MacBeth.
StoogeWatcher 2 years ago
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jbugko 2 years ago
wow chenny good job old basdtard! ,what do yu tell yo grandkids ,that im a digusting old bastard who needs to retire ,maybe it was yo old age that caused you and bush to break your own law,we as the people should question how old should you be before your declared unfit to be in the white house ,we made the mistake wit bush and chenny ,the two old bastards stuck in thier own twisted ways ,i think its chennys age that make him say the thing hes saying ,just like mccain 100 year old bastard
gotya009 2 years ago
bush & chenney are war-criminals by using torture against terrorists... from the legal stance, there is no excuse for torture... and it`s confirmed war-crimes were commited!
if they will be prosecuted... than we would have a real chance of finding out the truth about 911!!
i wish more truthers would understand and get involved in this issue!
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continued:We strong and decent Americans must demonstrate to the world that we are determined and capable of welcoming the responsibility to detain,prosecute,convict,and sadly,but imperatively,execute these two overwhelmingly national embarrassments.Americans must resist apathy,desire the truth,and education,and help ease the difficulties,this administration,and all it's White House basement flunkies,without the slightest hint of compassion,has burdened an unknown number of generations to come.
akaDickBush 2 years ago
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akaDickBush 2 years ago
Bush and Cheney are the two most dishonest,cowardly,, and evil criminal hucksters to fraudulently occupy the White House in the history of this great country.They have thumbed their noses at the Constitution just to gain as much personal wealth as possible at the cost of tens of thousands of mostly innocent humans.But these creatures aren't human,and they probably couldn't care less.
akaDickBush 2 years ago 4
If Bush lied, so did Clinton, Gore, Pelosi, Reid, Levin, Albright, Berger, Waxman, Daschle...
StoogeWatcher 2 years ago
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jbugko 2 years ago
Now run to Fox "News" and get your flacid ammunition ready and blame Clinton for everything, dummass.
jbugko 2 years ago 2
No, look it up. Democrats wanted war in Iraq as early as 1998.
StoogeWatcher 2 years ago
Does not matter the party, they are all puppets to the elite, and the elite love war. They have been involved in every war in some for or another, wake up my friend.
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jedirock 2 years ago 2
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You liberals blame America for everything. Do you dumbass Olbermann-watchers still believe that Crystal Mangum was raped by those Duke lacrosse players?
StoogeWatcher 2 years ago
StoogeWatcher
Say what you will, but Iib's had the House and Senate for 8 years, look what that got us...
gmcmudder1 2 years ago
Big difference between lying to diver funds and troupes from Afghanistan to get a war on in Iraq and then lying about torture, and lying about a blowjob.
jbugko 2 years ago 2
prosecute bush & co for war-crimes!!
log140 2 years ago 3
Bush needed evidence to link Saddam to Al Qaeda, and he used 'enhanced interrogation techniques' designed to produce lies in order to get it. What does this prove? It proves that Bush was not just incompetent, he was willfully & criminally incompetent.
Now we must wait & see if the Dept.of Justice will do its job. Prosecute the bastard and his gang of self-confessed criminals.
Worst administration in the history of the USA. Ever.
Silberdachs 2 years ago
Why isn't Cheney in jail already?
Silberdachs 2 years ago 5
Its America....no need for explanation. The most violent, under-educated, racially and religiously biased modern country in the world.
MetalEagle95 2 years ago 3
So true. So sad.
Silberdachs 2 years ago
I think the worst part is when people, especially FOX, try to make bad things seem not so bad, or good things seem bad by changing the name. Estate Tax becomes Death Tax. War in Iraq becomes War on Terror. Torture becomes "Harsh Interrogation" but its still torture. Even if they changed it to "Super happy fun fun interrogation time", its still fucking torture. And by saying its ok to do this becuase they attacked first is not an excuse. An Eye for an Eye makes everyone blind.
MetalEagle95 2 years ago 2
There has to be a day of atonement for crimes. Torture is illegal, no if's, and's, or butt's. No more allowing high crimes and criminal actors to go unpunished.
chuckkottke 2 years ago 6
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Chemical weapon(illegal White Phosphorus) make by US and used by Israel doing war crime. This is how power talks and how US and Israel dominated the whole world and exercise Chemical weapon in Gaza like the new Hitler of world named US + Israel Govt. Only way to defend humanity is to weaken US and Israeli economy. In future prison like Gaza will be Open. The real truth is nobody care about Gaza Genocide in US.
MonsterIsrael 3 years ago
Those who ignore the future need no assistance. Spoiling them ruins their lives.
Think of those who work, support themselves, and save. Think of independent young people who would like to start families someday.
Consider the existence which awaits the thoughtful and responsible.
In so doing, our duty emerges.
REJECT BARACK OBAMA!!!
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BTW1—"Taxing the rich" hurts ALL OF US.
BTW2--Socialism is impotent.
BTW3—There is no God.
godlesscapitalist 3 years ago
"BTW1—"Taxing the rich" hurts ALL OF US."
Why? How?
We weren't in recession in Clinton's administration.
thefloacist 2 years ago 5
BTW1 - We praised Eisenhower, who had a 90% tax on the rich. Clinton had a high tax on the rich and he left a $230 billion surplus.
BTW2- Sweden, Germany, Amsterdam, France, Norway. All socialist, all doing much better than the US. Which is the most violent, un-educated, religiously and racially biased modern country.
BTW3 - Intelligent people figured that out a long time ago.
MetalEagle95 2 years ago 2
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who gives a damn! Obama is such a fucking librel he wants terrorism. there terrorists! they helped kill so many innocent people. dumb asses. same thing you fags did in the Vietnam War. let them burn in hell!
DirtySouthSouljia 3 years ago
Now is the hour!
We have the power!
We are the ones we've been waiting for!
im4wur 3 years ago
In a perfect world, in a just world, Bush and Cheney would be prosecuted for their faults toward the law.
In a partisan world we will never see the justice we yearn for so very very much.
Puabond 3 years ago 3
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whateverpall 3 years ago
someone please put a bullet to bush and cheney
take care.
slimxbeach 3 years ago 4
"Prosecution of George W Bush for Murder!' Vincent Bugliosi" - "Rachel Maddow-Lame Duck, Malcolm Nance... WOW" ("Waterboarding is Torture Period (Links Updated # 9) - Id like to digress from my usual analysis of insurgent strategy and tactics to speak out on an issue of grave importance to Small Wars Journal readers. We, as a nation, are having a crisis of honor. - M.Nance) - "We Used To Execute People For Waterboarding War Crimes! pt.2" - "If Not For WAR CRIMES Than What!!!"
im4wur 3 years ago 6
If a conspirator, or anyone for that matter, deliberately sets in motion a chain of events which he knows will cause - that's the key word - cause a third party innocent agent to commit an act, the defendant is criminally responsible for that act. Bush, in invading Iraq, caused Iraqis to kill American soldiers in much the same fashion that a person causes a gun to fire a bullet that kills someone by pulling the trigger." - Vincent Bugliosi
im4wur 3 years ago 3
I'm sure many in the adminstration would like nothing better than for Americans to just "move on". - However, part of the process of America being able to "move on" is to convict these criminals for:
1) War Crimes (torture)
2) Treason (not upholding the oath of office to protect the constitution)
3) Murder (by lying to Congress about the justification of going to war (casus belli) the administration is vulnerable to charges of murder.
im4wur 3 years ago 4
Even if Bush/Cheney and co aren't convicted or even put on trial ( though i hope they are ), a serious attempt to hold them to account would send a powerful message to future administrations and significantly reduce the damage these bastards have done to the U.S.s reputation in the world.
widgit007 3 years ago 3
That's a good point. However, I am SO OUTRAGED by the Cush administration's behavior I will only be satisfied with CONVICTIONS! - I REALLY don't want to see the Hague have to clean up our (U.S.) messes.
Our societal values are so screwed uo in this country. @#$@, we impeach a President for lying to Congress about having sex, but we DON'T IMPEACH a President for lying to Congress about his casus belli (justification for war). Now THAT's OBSCENE!
im4wur 3 years ago 2
Bush administration's
im4wur 3 years ago
see how pissed I am? - lol
im4wur 3 years ago
Whys everybody so upset with bush? He's a nice guy. The kind you could sit down and have a beer with. What's wrong with you people? Give him a chance.
jacobrecker 3 years ago
jacobrecker - If you're not joking, perhaps this will explain part of it to you: "8 Years Of Bush in 8 Minutes! ~Olbermann" (watch?v=2vTFesgMkzk )
In short, if you aren't APPALLED. Then you haven't been PAYING ATTENTION!
im4wur 3 years ago
I'm joking. :D
jacobrecker 3 years ago
Whew! I was thinking: "Not ANOTHER one!" - lol
"Give him a chance." - LOL
im4wur 3 years ago
lol, Beer is a good quality to find in a leader.
ffliz217 3 years ago
Maybe they'll stretch his neck like he did to saddam.
RStabbin 3 years ago 2
I want the BA to burn...every last one of them. HOWEVER, I could careless about the rights of these animals. Their evil acts warrant no fair treatment.
sean9820 3 years ago 2
Bush and Cheney should be charged with war crimes for permitting torture and for lying America in to the Iraq war.
MountOlivet 3 years ago 6
Hey there! Here's a site where you can request our Congressional reps appoiint a special prosecutor for Bush!!
DemocratsDOTTCOMM/special-prosecutor-for-bush-war-crimes
madebutante 3 years ago
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Stumbled upon another dumb moonbat post. Get a life people.... Bush and Cheney are our respected leaders -- and thanks to both for their service. Nobody is perfect, but they did a great job all things considered.
orlandofriend 3 years ago
what service? Bush never went to war Cheney has only shot his friends. 17 out of 18 water treatment plants Cheny's bussiness owns have tainted water. Cheney has killed more American soldiers then Heussain ever did.
I have a life I have 24 years of military Service My current Commander in Cheif and his admin are war criminals
Now how much of your ass are you willing to risk I've given more then half my life to serve you. I am saying as a war vet send these fuckers to trial for war crimes.
rhenry501 3 years ago 8
Hi, please sign a petition to Congress to appoint a special prosecutor for Bush!
DemocratsDOTTTCOMM/special-prosecutor-for-bush-war-crimes
madebutante 3 years ago
rhenry501 - Thank you, sir!
im4wur 3 years ago
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When you get through sucking on the government titty, maybe you can get a job at McDonalds and serve me a fuckin' burger bitch.
orlandofriend 3 years ago
If you were in Germany in the 30's you would have said, Ah, Adolf, he did his best! Respecting positions is one thing if it's constitutional, but when you support a rogue royalist, you are no longer a patriotic American!
madebutante 3 years ago 2
Ignoring International Law and the Geneva Conventions is not doing a great job.
NormaJean337 3 years ago 4
The least way to punish bush and cheney is to let the 23 million iraqis throw all their shoes to them. 23 millions times 2 equals 46million shoes.. I think bush and cheney will never missed the shoes.
baktatan 3 years ago
Dick Cheney should be charged with war crimes, more so than Bush.
t66wood 3 years ago 4
here we are almost a month later and the story casually fades off into the ethers. Guess this russia thing has created a distraction. How convenient.
angelbe88 3 years ago 2
angelbe88: Looks like it's faded back into the spotlight. The noose is tightening around Cheney's neck. Tic toc tic toc...
Silberdachs 2 years ago
I will be surprised if Cheney or Bush get prosecuted. Cheney has been behind the scenes for decades as well as the Bush's. I've noticed how this bioengineered swine flu has suddenly taken over lamestream media. They never stop.
angelbe88 2 years ago
And McCain wants to continue what Bush stands for!!!!!We need to impeach before Bush completes his term, or we will face yet another war in Iran.
xkater 3 years ago 2
The international community of governments could and may be forced to take action against the Bush administration.
Can we see President Hu of China pressing for action against human rights abuses by the USA? Actually, yes.
JohnDeBunkTest 3 years ago 4
Funny how the same people who accuse America of human rights violations say nothing about Robert Mugabe's rape of Zimbabwe.
StoogeWatcher 3 years ago
StoogePeriod: Do you get paid to spout this bullshit, or does it just come naturally?
Silberdachs 2 years ago
Who pays YOU? George Soros, Nancy Pelosi, Howard Dean, or Dan Rather?
StoogeWatcher 2 years ago
I make a very good living from selling guns & ammo to paranoid Republican rubes who believe all the propaganda spewed daily by Fox Noise and Gush Limpballs.
No doubt you've unwittingly put a couple hundred bucks in my wallet in the past few months.
Thanks, sucker.
Silberdachs 2 years ago
You liberal hypocrites are the ones who want to get rid of the Second Amendment for law-abiding citizens. Yet at the same time, you make excuses for Hollywood celebrities who travel to "gun control" rallies with armed bodyguards and/or personal handguns. You believe George Soros propaganda; that's why you liberals defend tax cheats like Timmy Geithner, Charles Rangel, Tom Daschle, and Kathleen Sebelius. Then again, you're a Democrat, you don't pay taxes.
StoogeWatcher 2 years ago
StoogeAsshat:
Care to prove that?
Or is it something God whispered to you?
Silberdachs 2 years ago
Uh, didn't Geithner get in trouble for not paying taxes? How about Daschle and Sebelius? Charlie Rangel is the chair of the House Ways and Means Committee. He writes the tax code, despite the fact that he himself is delinquent in $75,000 on his own taxes. And it was well known that gun control activist Rosie O'Donnell got a concealed weapons permit for her bodyguard. Weren't you Democrats lecturing everyone else on ethics? If anyone is the asshat, it is you!
StoogeWatcher 2 years ago
This is for all the dittoheads who believe draft dodgers Cheney, Rove, & Limbaugh:
Said in response to info that KSM was waterboarded 183x:.
I"ts unacceptable...once is too much. Waterboarding is torture, period.... I can ensure you that once enough physical pain is inflicted on someone, they will tell that interrogator whatever they think they want to hear...it serves as a great propaganda tool for those who recruit people to fight against us."
-John McCain
jbugko 2 years ago 2
You Democrats support Khalid Sheik Muhammad. And wasn't Clinton a draft-dodger?
StoogeWatcher 2 years ago
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jbugko 2 years ago
Why should YOU care - you kiss Cheney's feet and claim you're a tough guy - referring to anyone who doesn't as a whacko. It's pretty whacked to be kissing his feet and claiming you're a tough guy at the same time. Only sniveling cowards condone waterboarding - lying, sniveling cowards who don't care at all that torture is practiced by totalitarian regimes, and we stand up against totalitarian regimes. . Sniveling cowards who claim our justice system isn't good enough & that we shoud be afraid.
jbugko 2 years ago
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You liberals don't hate torture. You support the Islamofascist torture of Christians. And if you are opposed to totalitarian regimes, why do you defend Castro?
StoogeWatcher 2 years ago
Name one liberal who has criticized Robert Mugabe, Kim Jong Il, Fidel Castro, or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Oh wait, NONE, because liberals support tyrants and dictators!
StoogeWatcher 2 years ago
StoogePeriod:
Cynthia Tucker (True Blue Liberal - June 18, 2008)
Need a hand getting that foot out of your fat fuck mouth?
Silberdachs 2 years ago
I checked the blog. If you're going to give me alleged proof, at least give the right date. However, you "human rights" activists still have yet to criticize Castro, Kim, and Ahmadinejad.
StoogeWatcher 2 years ago
StoogeWatcher: Go and do your own research, you worthless troll.
Silberdachs 2 years ago
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I have, pinko. How do you explain the Black Supremacist Caucus praising Castro? Ted Turner has praised Kim. And where were all the left-wing groups when Ahmadinejad spoke at Columbia? Oh, but they'll storm stages when Tom Tancredo speaks!
StoogeWatcher 2 years ago
Stand for our country and the world.
These sites houseDOTgov & senateDOTgov & judiciaryDOThouseDOTgov
are where you can find contact info for Conyers and your reps.
Make it perfectly clear they MUST IMPEACH
Send a FREE online FAX at faxzeroDOTcom
Good resources can be found at: fairDOTorg & afterdowningstreetDOTorg & freewaybloggerDOTcom
And watch "the prosecution of george bush for murder" on here.
Get busy or go back to sleep.
seronasert 3 years ago 3