Twenty One: Stemple vs. Van Doren--Part One

[Striped27]

they both look like weasels

[InjaRed]

This was an amazing example of the complex relationships between man and his desire for money and fame. The movie version reveals how Van Doren so desperately needed or wanted, his father's approval and love. Great clip.

[allergiesrusdb]

I wish YouTube was available in the late 80's. I would have appreciated my weekends at the Van Doren home more had I known what had really happened. Although I greatly appreciated the wonderful writings and all I learned about them while there.

[cinnreds18]

haha what a scam

[jdepps13]

Tired blood! Holy Christ, that's hilarious!

[SivakD]

Just a note for the uploader: "Stempel" is how his name is spelled.

[chris319]

Judge Joseph Stone did most of the investigative work and many years later wrote a book about the quiz scandal. Richard Goodwin stole the credit and engaged in no small amount of historical revisionism (in my opinion).

[PaulThePuppetier]

What was the name of the guy who investigated it and brought it all down again?

[HioPojac]

@PaulThePuppetier In the film, Richard Goodwin....but I'm sure lots of people contributed in real life

[nubbs]

this plays out diferently than in the movie. van doren get the boxing question right after being fed the answer much later in his streak

[brabon1]

forget the fix of the game...what about claiming that geritol is the cure for "tired blood"

[leGianflavio]

@brabon1 i was thinking of that too LOL, damn movies.

[vandywilliam]

Now that I've thoroughly read what both Herb Stempel and Charles Van Doren have said about the "fixed" aspects of the show, watching this video (and Parts 2 and 3) make it more than obvious that the "fix" was in and the contestants' mannerisms were dictated by the producers (as the contestants have both alleged).

[TheRandomRedSoxGuy]

lol....no need for the show to stop, the commercial's built right in! xD

[timbabcock]

The prize winnings seem very complicated on the show yet during the investigation Mr. Stempel explained that the most they were ever paid on the show was $60,000.

[VanillaLimeCoke]

That was wrong.

Think over about continuing first and then go to commercial?

He should have let them think it over during the commercial.

[jhillst]

The contestants went into the Geri-toll booth.

[solidysnake1]

the commercial is hilarious

[smartie0317]

It's so funny. I was reading something about this and how Van Doren was the better looking one. The real Van Doren is creepy looking IMO and Stemple is better looking and have nice voice/mannerisms.

[giles422]

what's with the weird opening statement? note Stempel stress at answering.

[BlackwoodCompany]

It seems like it was in the scene in Quiz Show that they made him throw it.

[000266617]

@giles422 Didn't you see the movie "Quiz Show" by Robert Redford? Stempel was told to act stressed. The entire thing is rigged, and if you saw the PBS special, the scandal involved more than just this show. The show's producers got thousands of people to lie before Congress. Patty Duke, a child, broke down and told the truth.

[garytvfan]

After seeing the film "Quiz Show", and after having researched the quiz show scandals of the 50s for college, I was ecstatic to finally see the real Van Doren and Stemple. I find it most interesting that Jack Barry constantly refers to Mr. Van Doren as "Mr. Van Doren", but calls Mr. Stemple "Herb".

[atrinka1]

You are right! Maybe Charlie is not as "elegant" as Mr. Van Doren jejeje!

[TIPTON340]

@garytvfan -- I think this was Van Doren's

first episode where as Herb Stimple had been on the show for weeks, so maybe

Jack Barry felt more familiar with him &

called him Herb.

[jobless205]

Herb was the incumbent, Van Doren was the challenger. Thats why.

[PatchesRips]

@garytvfan "Jack Barry constantly refers to Mr. Van Doren as "Mr. Van Doren", but calls Mr. Stemple "Herb"."

I think that's to subtly communicate that Herb's been around for a while and Jack is familiar with him. I don't know, but I imagine as episodes went by, he probably got around to calling "Mr. Van Doren", "Charles". :)

[darrono]

@garytvfan I know you made this point years ago but it is a great point...

[Hondo20132]

I have this episode from a Shokus video purchase, and it seems as if the guys at Shokus resized the picture a bit because i couldn't see the tv buttons like I can here.

[ayboday]

lol product plugs were pretty much in your face those days

[socialdking]

This is an amazing video. Thank you.

[Hondo20132]

lol I can see the TV buttons!

[thprfssnl1]

no u don't