@superbosoy We all share a common universal female line African ancestor and a common universal male line African ancestor and these universal latest common ancestors are quite recent but we are not all Africans. All non Africans also contain DNA from Neanderthals while sub Saharan Africans do not. Asians and others also contain DNA from another more ancient hominid. The facile "We are all Africans" t-shirt message is as dated as a RELAX t-shirt.
@MartinJWillett even if some Europeans did interbreed with Neanderthals it still doesn't change the fact that anatomically modern human beings originated from Africa. Of course, we should all be proud of our heritage and who are, but sometimes I feel like national identities can be as divisive as religious identity
Quick question Martin I have been doing bait of research on my dads side, his great grandad moved to Boston and lived there he had about 9 kids with his wife Mary, the kids moved back newry and then moved over to England. As far as my mothers side goes there seems to be no trace but English. Am I fully British?
@MW32012 It's not my choice, it's yours. Your story is what it is, it is up to you to decide what the upshot of it is. To me being English is a choice, you could have two Nigerian parents and only move to England when you are twenty and still be completely English if you choose to own that identity fully. If your father says he is English then it would be perverse for you not to be, but it is your choice.
@MartinJWillett It would show you the origins of your even older ancestors. I thought that you have been interested in doing that too given your passion for researching your ancestors' history. No political or ideological agenda involved here rest assured.
@joseffritzlismydaddy It is not worth what they currently charge. I'll do it if somebody else pays. The tests don't tell you very much, just your pure male line or pure female line. I know my 3rd great grandmother (mtDNA carrier) and my 3rd great grandfather (Y chromosome carrier). The other fifty-odd ancestors at that level (born around 1770 - 1820) are my ancestors too, but invisible to the current tests. It is almost completely meaningless.
I live a two minute walk away from the house that my great great grandfather was born in, in fact he used to own the surrounding land that my current house is built on and was quite wealthy until he embarked on a doomed scheme to buy and rent houses and made a string of poor business decisions.
I have a similar story. have traced both sides back to the seventeenth century at least. Not found anyone born outside the UK. Not found any slave-owners or imperialists. Hard-working west-country farmers on one side, quite poor but with remote connections to the gentry (the Scudamores who came over in 1066), northern peasants and ship-builders on the other. Our ancestors have been here in this land for millennia, and yet we are fed this 'nation of mongrels' bollocks. It is an insult.
my scott irish soldier- farmer had sons that pushed further west to the alleganys in PA and a few generations later they joined up with Lincolns GAR and went south to teach those "damned rebels" a quick lesson ,alas , as it turned out it was NOT quick and .the rebs were often the ones doing the "schooling " ...thus ,when ever I hear black folks mutter about "reparations" ,I quickly inform them that they needn't worry about PAYING ME ,as it was long ago and their "debt " is hereby forgiven ..
my dad's grandfather was a glassblower from Lyon france .he emigrated the the US as a young man about a hundred years ago ,my mom's family were scots irish and famine irish .the protestant side arv new england in the eighteenth century and its claimed that one served with washington and spent a few seasons freezing ,starving and fleeing the usually pursuing "lobsterbacks "..he had a back country farm in maine ,it took him 18 days to get his grain to market, crossing the same river 78 times.
In 96 I had a dream. 2 American women visited me where I grew up, Kilmeedy, but no longer lived. They showed me a huge map of Ireland, pointed to Tara & asked me to go there with them. I agreed. In 97 I did go there, my first time, with 2 Cherokee women. It was shortly after I noticed the parallel. Later I learnth the kings of Tara were Clann Cholmáin. Irish for my surname, Coleman. St Ita(Kilmeedy) fostered St Brendan, & the Cherokee spoke of him being in their oral tradition. Ref Tim Severin
Most white Europeans can trace their ancestry back to when the last ice age started to end, it is thought that white tribes were nomads following the migration of wolly mammoths in north africa and the middle east, back when they were green and covered with forests, when the ice melted and the natives of europe the neanderthals became extinct, the white tribes then started to settle in europe, planting the seeds of some of earths greatest society's.
in Iceland we have church records available online which go back to the first icelandic settlers in 874. of course, it's not 100% reliable, and in many cases, names or professions of many people are missing. the also have a feature on the website where you can type in any native's name and see where your family tree meets. pretty neat.
@thordurinn That is fascinating. Of course it is only as accurate as the original data and I suspect that everybody's family tree contains inaccuracies if you go back two hundred years or more some inaccuracy is inevitable. I have seen family trees in which sons are born ten years after the mother died, some where whole generations are skipped and plenty of people on ancestry.com have misidentified people in my family tree.
i care about as much about your family history as i do about mine. the only branch that matters to me is mine. but hey it is a new martin j willett video so i watched the whole thing. if nothing else for the mental imagery, and eloquent speech.
@MsReefmaster You may find you get interested later in life. My interest grew up quite suddenly from a background curiosity to become a burning desire to know as much as I could.
One of the most interesting and insightful 10 minutes I've spent in long while.
Any mentally insain and murderers you found out about Martin? I have a couple of those long back in my family, and I found it much more interesting to find those black sheeps that the counless farmers almost any family have.
@OriginalMindTrick I thought I found two but they were false alarms. A sister of my great grandmother lived in a lunatic asylum in North Manchester but she was clearly a live-in maid to the staff rather than an inmate. I haven't found criminals as such but my grand uncle/great grandfather (that issue will probably never be resolved) stowed away on a cargo ship to Canada abandoning a wife and two children and his army reserve duties. Finding written of evidence of a man on the run is tricky.
@iDoctorIL How is this xenophobic? The man is doing his family tree, and exploring his roots. Also, if you care to look you'll find most English people share common ancestry with the same people who were in the British Isles before the Celts arrived. The Saxon invasions were more assimilation into the locals and stamp your language and culture on them...even if it was not over 1500 years of settlement has to mean something. After all, most Islamic countries have far less.
Interesting video. Being American I know my ancestors came from various countries in Europe, some of which descended from those the immigrated to Europe. I don't know that any of them where ever invited to move into a new land by the indigenous locals-I am pretty sure that those that came to America were not. I do know that when they got here they basically were told to learn the language, join a political party, and learn the local customs. They did. What we have in common strengthens US.
@MsMommaRose How insensitive! Surely the poor immigrants should have been encouraged to build a replica of whatever it was they left behind them. Imagine the indignity of being expected to acknowledge that what they had voluntarily embraced was superior to what they chose to leave!
Surely strength can only come from different visions and values, and appreciating the inherent superiority of all minority cultures over the culture which made the place worth going to in the first place.
My great grandfather was a communist jew in tsarist Russia. When he was 16 he supposedly killed an officer and fled to America all by himself. He was really tough with his son, my grampa and he disowned my grampa in the end.
@MartinJWillett Yeah I meant all the way back to the first animals who used sexual reproduction. But you're right, I am, we all are, billions of years in the making!
I can trace one line of my family tree back to a guy that was born in 1605 in London, and came to America on the pilgrim ship Fortune in 1621. It's interesting stuff.
@TheNakedAtheist How many more lines must there be? Just try to calculate how many ancestors you have in that generation. Since 1963 my genes have been in one body, in 1940 they were in two, in 1910 they were in four. In 1880 they were in eight. Before that the numbers don't quite double in every generation due to some cousin marriages but there are still hundreds relatively recently, back in the 1620s there would be - err, lots and lots!
It's only natural to be interested in geneology. My father has traced our family all the way back to 1495. There were no records before then, or he would have gone further yet.
@CMO999 Every generation you go back you double the number of ancestors you are ignoring, who are incidentally the ones who are more likely to be correct than the male line, who may have been cuckolded. I have some spindly traces on my family tree which go way back but there is very little evidence to corroborate them. Doubts multiply with every generation, I prefer to get a deeper picture of those whose place in the tree is well established with family memories as well as documentary evidence.
we are all africans
superbosoy 2 weeks ago
@superbosoy We all share a common universal female line African ancestor and a common universal male line African ancestor and these universal latest common ancestors are quite recent but we are not all Africans. All non Africans also contain DNA from Neanderthals while sub Saharan Africans do not. Asians and others also contain DNA from another more ancient hominid. The facile "We are all Africans" t-shirt message is as dated as a RELAX t-shirt.
MartinJWillett 1 week ago
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@MartinJWillett even if some Europeans did interbreed with Neanderthals it still doesn't change the fact that anatomically modern human beings originated from Africa. Of course, we should all be proud of our heritage and who are, but sometimes I feel like national identities can be as divisive as religious identity
superbosoy 1 week ago
@superbosoy Are we fuck, I am a EUROPEAN not an African!
GTA787 1 week ago
Quick question Martin I have been doing bait of research on my dads side, his great grandad moved to Boston and lived there he had about 9 kids with his wife Mary, the kids moved back newry and then moved over to England. As far as my mothers side goes there seems to be no trace but English. Am I fully British?
MW32012 3 weeks ago
@MW32012 It's not my choice, it's yours. Your story is what it is, it is up to you to decide what the upshot of it is. To me being English is a choice, you could have two Nigerian parents and only move to England when you are twenty and still be completely English if you choose to own that identity fully. If your father says he is English then it would be perverse for you not to be, but it is your choice.
MartinJWillett 3 weeks ago
@MartinJWillett Having moved to England aged 22, i can personally vouch for this.
Cat1981England 3 weeks ago
Have you ever tried doing a DNA test to find out your halpogroup Martin?
joseffritzlismydaddy 4 weeks ago
@joseffritzlismydaddy What is that going to tell me and why would I be interested?
MartinJWillett 3 weeks ago
@MartinJWillett It would show you the origins of your even older ancestors. I thought that you have been interested in doing that too given your passion for researching your ancestors' history. No political or ideological agenda involved here rest assured.
joseffritzlismydaddy 3 weeks ago
@joseffritzlismydaddy It is not worth what they currently charge. I'll do it if somebody else pays. The tests don't tell you very much, just your pure male line or pure female line. I know my 3rd great grandmother (mtDNA carrier) and my 3rd great grandfather (Y chromosome carrier). The other fifty-odd ancestors at that level (born around 1770 - 1820) are my ancestors too, but invisible to the current tests. It is almost completely meaningless.
MartinJWillett 3 weeks ago
I live a two minute walk away from the house that my great great grandfather was born in, in fact he used to own the surrounding land that my current house is built on and was quite wealthy until he embarked on a doomed scheme to buy and rent houses and made a string of poor business decisions.
Skep155 4 weeks ago
I have a similar story. have traced both sides back to the seventeenth century at least. Not found anyone born outside the UK. Not found any slave-owners or imperialists. Hard-working west-country farmers on one side, quite poor but with remote connections to the gentry (the Scudamores who came over in 1066), northern peasants and ship-builders on the other. Our ancestors have been here in this land for millennia, and yet we are fed this 'nation of mongrels' bollocks. It is an insult.
rahotep101 1 month ago
my scott irish soldier- farmer had sons that pushed further west to the alleganys in PA and a few generations later they joined up with Lincolns GAR and went south to teach those "damned rebels" a quick lesson ,alas , as it turned out it was NOT quick and .the rebs were often the ones doing the "schooling " ...thus ,when ever I hear black folks mutter about "reparations" ,I quickly inform them that they needn't worry about PAYING ME ,as it was long ago and their "debt " is hereby forgiven ..
woodenmajor 1 month ago
my dad's grandfather was a glassblower from Lyon france .he emigrated the the US as a young man about a hundred years ago ,my mom's family were scots irish and famine irish .the protestant side arv new england in the eighteenth century and its claimed that one served with washington and spent a few seasons freezing ,starving and fleeing the usually pursuing "lobsterbacks "..he had a back country farm in maine ,it took him 18 days to get his grain to market, crossing the same river 78 times.
woodenmajor 1 month ago
In 96 I had a dream. 2 American women visited me where I grew up, Kilmeedy, but no longer lived. They showed me a huge map of Ireland, pointed to Tara & asked me to go there with them. I agreed. In 97 I did go there, my first time, with 2 Cherokee women. It was shortly after I noticed the parallel. Later I learnth the kings of Tara were Clann Cholmáin. Irish for my surname, Coleman. St Ita(Kilmeedy) fostered St Brendan, & the Cherokee spoke of him being in their oral tradition. Ref Tim Severin
ClannCholmain 1 month ago
Most white Europeans can trace their ancestry back to when the last ice age started to end, it is thought that white tribes were nomads following the migration of wolly mammoths in north africa and the middle east, back when they were green and covered with forests, when the ice melted and the natives of europe the neanderthals became extinct, the white tribes then started to settle in europe, planting the seeds of some of earths greatest society's.
TheHemsworthboy 1 month ago
in Iceland we have church records available online which go back to the first icelandic settlers in 874. of course, it's not 100% reliable, and in many cases, names or professions of many people are missing. the also have a feature on the website where you can type in any native's name and see where your family tree meets. pretty neat.
thordurinn 1 month ago
@thordurinn That is fascinating. Of course it is only as accurate as the original data and I suspect that everybody's family tree contains inaccuracies if you go back two hundred years or more some inaccuracy is inevitable. I have seen family trees in which sons are born ten years after the mother died, some where whole generations are skipped and plenty of people on ancestry.com have misidentified people in my family tree.
MartinJWillett 1 month ago
i care about as much about your family history as i do about mine. the only branch that matters to me is mine. but hey it is a new martin j willett video so i watched the whole thing. if nothing else for the mental imagery, and eloquent speech.
MsReefmaster 1 month ago
@MsReefmaster You may find you get interested later in life. My interest grew up quite suddenly from a background curiosity to become a burning desire to know as much as I could.
MartinJWillett 1 month ago
I somehow always suspected :D
NoFaithNoPain 1 month ago
One of the most interesting and insightful 10 minutes I've spent in long while.
Any mentally insain and murderers you found out about Martin? I have a couple of those long back in my family, and I found it much more interesting to find those black sheeps that the counless farmers almost any family have.
OriginalMindTrick 1 month ago
@OriginalMindTrick I thought I found two but they were false alarms. A sister of my great grandmother lived in a lunatic asylum in North Manchester but she was clearly a live-in maid to the staff rather than an inmate. I haven't found criminals as such but my grand uncle/great grandfather (that issue will probably never be resolved) stowed away on a cargo ship to Canada abandoning a wife and two children and his army reserve duties. Finding written of evidence of a man on the run is tricky.
MartinJWillett 1 month ago
@iDoctorIL How is this xenophobic? The man is doing his family tree, and exploring his roots. Also, if you care to look you'll find most English people share common ancestry with the same people who were in the British Isles before the Celts arrived. The Saxon invasions were more assimilation into the locals and stamp your language and culture on them...even if it was not over 1500 years of settlement has to mean something. After all, most Islamic countries have far less.
Hereticalable 1 month ago
Interesting video. Being American I know my ancestors came from various countries in Europe, some of which descended from those the immigrated to Europe. I don't know that any of them where ever invited to move into a new land by the indigenous locals-I am pretty sure that those that came to America were not. I do know that when they got here they basically were told to learn the language, join a political party, and learn the local customs. They did. What we have in common strengthens US.
MsMommaRose 1 month ago
@MsMommaRose How insensitive! Surely the poor immigrants should have been encouraged to build a replica of whatever it was they left behind them. Imagine the indignity of being expected to acknowledge that what they had voluntarily embraced was superior to what they chose to leave!
Surely strength can only come from different visions and values, and appreciating the inherent superiority of all minority cultures over the culture which made the place worth going to in the first place.
MartinJWillett 1 month ago
My great grandfather was a communist jew in tsarist Russia. When he was 16 he supposedly killed an officer and fled to America all by himself. He was really tough with his son, my grampa and he disowned my grampa in the end.
QLIQLIable 1 month ago
interesting video :)
rareisalive 1 month ago
It is very weird to imagine your ancestry goes back millions of years!
makkathran 1 month ago
@makkathran Logically all families go back billions of years, we all have roots equally deep.
MartinJWillett 1 month ago
@MartinJWillett Yeah I meant all the way back to the first animals who used sexual reproduction. But you're right, I am, we all are, billions of years in the making!
makkathran 1 month ago
I can trace one line of my family tree back to a guy that was born in 1605 in London, and came to America on the pilgrim ship Fortune in 1621. It's interesting stuff.
TheNakedAtheist 1 month ago 4
@TheNakedAtheist How many more lines must there be? Just try to calculate how many ancestors you have in that generation. Since 1963 my genes have been in one body, in 1940 they were in two, in 1910 they were in four. In 1880 they were in eight. Before that the numbers don't quite double in every generation due to some cousin marriages but there are still hundreds relatively recently, back in the 1620s there would be - err, lots and lots!
MartinJWillett 1 month ago 2
It's only natural to be interested in geneology. My father has traced our family all the way back to 1495. There were no records before then, or he would have gone further yet.
CMO999 1 month ago 4
@CMO999 Every generation you go back you double the number of ancestors you are ignoring, who are incidentally the ones who are more likely to be correct than the male line, who may have been cuckolded. I have some spindly traces on my family tree which go way back but there is very little evidence to corroborate them. Doubts multiply with every generation, I prefer to get a deeper picture of those whose place in the tree is well established with family memories as well as documentary evidence.
MartinJWillett 1 month ago
@MartinJWillett Of course
CMO999 1 month ago