this plays anyone in life did it once, you're right, the way kobe plays is like MJ, but Kobe is doing better, MJ recently said that Kobe is the ONLY player in the history who compares to him, and always will be, no one will be better than MJ, as no one will be better than Kobe... MJ words
Kobe is like a smaller version of Jordan not smaller in size but in how he does everything Jordan did but Jordan did it first and he did it better . MJ-Goat
Kobe is a top 10 NBA player of all time, but Jordan is and always will be the GOAT! And for all you stat lovers out there. MJ shot over 50% in game tying or winning shots, while Kobe was in the lower 30% in game tying or winning shits, so don't ever dare say Kobe was just as clutch as MJ. I find it funny how people can actually say kobe is better, LOL!
@BRadLEYBee1 A. Jordans career high isnt 63... watch him vs Cavs Scoring 69! B. Jordan played against BETTER defenders than now. Barkley, Hakeem, Penny, Izzy Thomas, Joe Dumars, Stockton, Malone, Payton, etc. Are Prime examples. C. Think about who Jordan and Kobe faced when they got their highs.... Jordan vs High Defensive Arsenal Team of the Cleveland Cavs VS Kobe vs HORRIBLE, WORST-IN-THE-LEAGUE Toronto Raptors
Isiah Thomas is better than Jordan. Think about it, that pussy Jordan couldn't get through Detroit for THREE STRAIGHT SEASONS in the playoffs. He had to beg David Stern for a supporting cast in order to beat Isiah Thomas and the BAD BOYS of Detroit. Detroit's 88-89 and 89-90 teams are still the BEST to ever be assembled. Suck on that Jordan fans.
@ripyinkadare : jordan couldn't get through detriot?....ok so how does that prove isiah was better? that just shows the pistons were better than the Bulls. not that thomas was better.
@JohnWallAllDay2 It's not freaky; it's intentional. Kobe practiced all MJ's mannerisms and moves and still falls woefully short of MJ. You can't practice heart, will and killer instinct. Those things come naturally.
@shastabolicious8 Yep and it was on full display yesterday. Kobe has the WILL and the HEART to take the game winning shot, only to have it swatted away in a 1-point loss on his home court. He has the WILL to be a great shooter, yet only shoots 45% for his career. One MVP, two scoring titles, 5-for-7 in the Finals with two FInals MVPs and you think he's in Jordan's league? I don't think I'm the one who's retarded.
@badexperiment I must have missed something. Did MJ say that Kobe's 2 scoring titles to his 10 make Kobe better? Did he say that Kobe's 1 MVP to his 5 MVPs makes Kobe better. I need to turn on ESPN ans see what's going on.
@VinmanMJ23 You keep on implying that people are trying to say that Kobe is better than Jordan. Quit trying to start arguments, all basketball fans know Jordan is the GOAT. Kobe's work ethic and competitive nature is something we haven't seen since Jordan. You add that to stats, wins, rings, clutch, efficiency, ect. then Kobe is definitely one of the greatest. It's a shame someone like you can't appreciate a good player just because you're a Jordan fan.
@badexperiment It's not that I don't like Kobe. It's just when I see him play and he does something "spectacular" it almost looks boring because I immediately think that I have already seen it before, only better. Kobe created his own monster by copying every mannerism of MJ from the way he walks, talks, smiles, shoots, sticks his tongue out, etc. Other players are judged on their own merit because they have their own style. Look at LeBron. Love him or hate him, he has his own unique style.
Another misconception, Jordan made every single highschool team, he just didn't make his varsity team during junior year, Juniors are not supposed to play varsity and after he got cut from varsity he still made the team and had an ass kicking season
when you look at jordan's squads over the yrs....pippen, rodman, kerr, etc. these guys weren't the best but they were better than luke walton, sasha vujacic and steve blake.Jordan's career high was 63...and if im not mistaking i think kobe is sitting on 81. Yes Jordan was a stud, but look at the competition around the league now vs. then, Jordan didnt face guys like lebron, rose, melo and durant , but yet Kobe still has more all star MVPs (even with all the competiton he's surrounded by)
Idiots like you shouldn't say a damn word when you don't know anything about MJ. Rodman and Kerr only played with MJ for 3 years, you ever wondered what MJ's team was like before the 2nd 3peat? Bill cartwright, John Paxson, Horace Grant, BJ Armstrong, Will Perdue...
Not a single one of the pre-2nd 3peat guys were an all-star except for Pippen
and anyone who thinks Jordan's career high is 63 does not know a damn about Michael Jordan or basketball in general
Love how you use all star MVPs where it's a clown fest and teams only try in the last 6 minutes, Jordan 4 more mvps than Kobe, 4 more finals mvp, 3 more steal titles, 8 more scoring titles, 1 more DPOY, 1 ROTY, 30+ and 50%, 34+ in playoff career, averaging 40+ in a Finals series once...
and you're talking about All-star MVP? Are you stupid?
Give me a break, Lebron and Wade and Kobe all lost to a washed up 38 year old Jason Kidd and an old Dirk, so if those guys can win a championship in the modern NBA I'm pretty fucking sure guys like Prime Shaq, Hakeem, Karl Malone, Isiah Thomas, Magic Johnson, Dominique Wilkins, Drexler, Barkley, Stockton, Prime Payton Prime Bird, Mchale, Ewing, Penny were better than the competition of today's NBA, not to mention it was a more physical league with handchecking
@BRadLEYBee1 There are so many false statements in your comment that I don't know where to begin. Jordan scored 69 points and had 18 rebounds in the same game against a playoff team. I'd argue that that is as good of a game or better than 81 against the worst defensive team in the league.Rules changes make scoring easier now. All star games are a single, meaningless pick-up game. MJ has 5 reg season MVPs, 6 FInals MVPs, 10 scoring titles and took two year off in his prime.
i hate this comparison because there is only so much that can be done in the game of basketball. you dont ever really plan what youre going to do. you just do what comes to your head in the moment.
The truth is that every SG and SF wants to be like mike. The fact that only Kobe has come even remotely close shows not only Jordan's skill but Kobe's as well.
i will always want to be like jordan but would never want to be like kobe. why? because kobe has always wanted to be like jordan, so in a sense kobe and i have the same aspirations, and michael is the inspiration....
Jordan and Kobe both atop all competition while playing. they were always better mentally and fundamentally , however Jordan was feared as a player Kobe is only respected not feared. no team wanted to see Jordan but there are teams who disrespect Kobe by simply saying they like playing him.
the difference iz MJ iz the best there will ever b & he way better than kobe kobe iz good n all but nobody will ever b beter than michael jordan no arguement
yeah, but still look its official you kno jordans the goat, but to me i still think kobe is the best and to other people to and where gonna keep thinkng that so kobes always gonna be right behind jordan or in my eyes ahead of that nigga droping 60 ponts on the wizards when jordan was in it idk how much he scored but still
hmmm kobe vs jordan......... thats up to the fans in my opinion kobe is the greatest of all time kobe would shit in any era and 81 is impressive even if it was against the raptors he its 81 points right, in my OPINION kobe is better........ and if you cant take an opinion your ignorant thats my opinion
@DaLiFeOfDaPaRtY00 and i grew up watching kobe three peat rapeing 2 peat so maybe thats why i feel like that maybe if i would of grown up watching jordan play id feel differnt
@DaLiFeOfDaPaRtY00 so scoring 81 points vs one of the worst defenses in the nba at that time makes him better than MJ?Lmao, MJ had to deal with handchecking, more physical play[BAD BOY PISTONS] and better players[A young more athletic shaq, Bird, Magic, Dumars , Isiah, somewhat in his prime Hakeem, David Robinson, Barkley, Drexler] etc etc, MJ had no great offensive big man throughout his whole career, Kobe has gotten 2, and has gotten to the finals with only them[Gasol, Shaq]
@DaLiFeOfDaPaRtY00 what a great thought out response to back up your "argument"
whats next, you're gonna bring up the fact that kobe is "clutch"?Since 1996, he is 36-115 in shots when his team is down in the last 24 seconds when the game is tied or his team is down by 1 or 2 points, 31.3%, abysmal number
before you call me a hater, I enjoy watching Kobe play, but even he has admitted that Jordan is better than him and jordan is the greatest, its on youtube.
@teeejayykay look i just dont wanna get into yall get really butt hurt and start talking shit, look only argument i wanna make is i grew up wacthing kobe play and his best seasons where when they where elimanted by the suns twice and there was a month when he was averaging 40 pts yo if kobe gets good practice cause you kno hes been injured right, hes gonna be ridiculous, and you sound like a hater, dam whered you get that stat from your on his nuts hahaha
@DaLiFeOfDaPaRtY00 where'd i get that stat from?A simple google search, it took 10 seconds out of my life, and another 20 to look out the number. Ok, i understand you grew up watching Kobe play and hes probably your idol, but to put him over MJ just because he scored 81 points and because he averaged 40 ppg for a month is dumb. MJ played point guard for one month and was averaging a triple double the whole month and got 6 triple doubles that month alone. Kobes age is catching up to him, Jordans
@teeejayykay did too, but the difference between Jordan and Kobe was that Jordan started to get wiser, stopped trying to take dumb shots, passed the ball more, had a better shot selection and opened up the floor for his team way more despite his old age and his hops being almost gone.
And nah, im not a hater. Kobe is in my top 5 favorite nba players today actually, fun to watch except when he chucks up garbage shots.
Jordan has this legacy that people won't question. Phil Jackson himself said Kobe is the better ball handler and shooter and equal in the clutch...but Michael has bigger hands. In short Phil just answered the question Kobe is BETTER period.
But you also left out where Phil Jackson said MJ would average 45 points in today's era, and where he also said MJ's greatness will never be superseded, and MJ should be taken out of the equation and no one should EVER be compared to him (including Kobe) because it's not fair.
This is what PJ said about Kobe trying to reach MJ:
"It's one thing to want to be like him, but it's another thing to be like him, Kobe doesn't shoot the same percentage"
Jordan Played in one of the most watered down times in any sport. Dog had pippen anf the greatest defensive player ever in Rodman. Lets be honest, Jordan is slightly better but the gap is micro. Kobe just get dogged because he came after Jordan. If Jordan and Kobe switched places, everyone would be thinking the opposite of today
Oh ok, it's not like Kobe had one of the most dominant players ever, a top 10 player ever, and the 3 time finals MVP named Shaquille O'Neal for his first 3 titles. It's not like that or anything
Ok To All U MJ Fanboys...Before U Start ''Kobe-Hatin'' Realize The Time In Which They Played..MJ Was Guarded On A Nightly Basis By Starks, Reggie, Hornacek Hershey Hawkins??? Really?! He Was Supposed To Dominate He Was Athletically Superior To Anybody In His Era, Mite I Add He Had The Best Defensive Perimeter Player Of His Era On His Team
Kobe On The Otherhand Has Been Guarded By The Likes Of LeBron, Iguodala, Pierce, Joe Johnson..NOW Who Had The Tougher Go Nite In And Nite Out...Exactly
most of the guys you named are small forwards...idiot,kobe rarely matches up with small forwards..joe johnson is the only guy who defends kobe on a regular basis,but again,that same guy has said that it would be harder to defend jordan today. btw gary payton is the best defensive perimeter of jordans era..about reggie,the same guy kobe shot %36 aganist?and that was reggie at 34 years old.. pierce wasnt even as effective as hawkins or starks was aganist jordan,and that was jordan at 40 years old
@ThaTakeFlightEra please explain how kobe managed to outscore jordan(38 y/o) by a mere 1 point per game before jordans injury in 2001-2002..same comp..jordan owned everyone,make sure you have a decent amount of knowledge before you diss old school players you idiot. by your logic jordan was guarded by dominique wilkins and clyde drexler,those guys were very athletic,both of them probably have a higher vertical leap than iguodala,pierce,and johnson..jordan averaged 34-35 ppg vs them
@ThaTakeFlightEra MJ had to go up against: Joe Dumars, Dennis Rodman, Isiah Thomas, Gerald Wilkins, Danny Ainge, Dan Marjerle, Craig Ehlo, Steve Smith, Reggie Theus, John Starks, Derek Harper, Gary Payton, Bryan Russell, Vernon Maxwell, Alvin Robertson, Ron Harper, Ronaldo Blackman, Nick Anderson, Tim Hardaway, Grant Hill, Charles Barkley, Sidney Moncrief, Stacey Augmon, Steve Smith......
All better defenders than Joe Johnson, Igudala, LeBron, freaking Carmello...you kidding me?
@ThaTakeFlightEra Kobe was guarded by more athletic defenders huh?? Kirk Hinrich John Salmons Loul Deng Al Harrington Anthony Morrow Corey Magette Bruce Bowen Luc Mboute-moute George Hill Ron Artest Doug Christie Trenton Hassel Jaren Jackson Mario Elie Shane Battier Matt Harpring Andre Kirilenko Bonzi Wells Rueben Patterson Von Wafer Jarrett Jack Jason Kidd Deshawn Stevenson Shawn Marion Raja Bell Yeah....all super athletic slam dunk champions here.
jordans fade away shot was a lot nicer and mj was like the best fundamental player ever, he also played in a tougher era like now how the defense seems more to be as the offense
kobe is a copy..great player..but jordan is the best by far..original all around...man it was fun to watch jordan play..its called entertainment..sorry guys but its true.
@Hawkhunter07 I agree that Jordan is more athletic but not by a wide margin. If we were to grade Kobe and MJ in terms of athleticism, Kobe would get an A and Jordan would get an A+. Kobe is at the elite level of athleticism which means that you can't get much better than that. That's why its absolutely ridiculous to say Jordan or anyone for that matter is way more athletic than Kobe.
@Hawkhunter07 It's only a big margin when you exaggerate. Jordan doesn't have a bigger body than Kobe. In fact they're almost equals as far as strength and body composition goes. And I don't know who told u that Jordan ran way faster than Kobe but that's bull shit. Unless you evaluated them yourself with a stopwatch then there's no way u would know that. Jordan isn't gay so you need to get off his dick and stop being so damn biased.
Clearly you don't know anything about them both, Jordan was stronger than Kobe, even Phil Jackson said "He's (MJ) stronger, he has a bigger body", Jordan was documented to have 4% bodyfat with 48 inch vertical, and in terms of how fast MJ ran that was documented too you should research more, anyone who's watched them both know MJ trumps Kobe athletically. The athletic trainer Tim Grover for MJ/Kobe said MJ was the best physically he has ever seen.
MJ had a 48 inch Vertical, had the fastest 1st step Phil Jackson has ever seen, had much bigger body with 4% body fat, ran a lot fucking faster, had bigger hands, pretty sure that's a pretty big margin there you dumbass faggot fuck
MJ is MJ. Kobe is a combo of everyone in the NBA. He knows every shot in the book, every skill. MJ has his own style, while KB is more diverse in his shots.
@XxXBlackhawk2010XxX seriously? jordan beats kobe in just about every career stat.. and if you want to bust out who has more championships like you laker fans do with lebron, its jordan 6 kobe 5.. jordan is the greatest basketball player ever.. watch his film of his 6 finals...
81 points in a meaningless regular season game against the 2nd worst defensive team in the league?
or 10 scoring titles, 5 mvps, 6 finals mvps, 3 steal titles, 1 DPOY, 1 ROTY, 30+ ppg and 49.7, and 33+ ppg in the playoffs career, and having a final series averaging 40 ppg against a mvp led team?
Must be the single regular season game against the weak defensive team....mu...must be it!! (Kobe fan scream)
@Hawkhunter07 I would have said Kobe got 81 against a shit team that due to the NBA rules are not allowed to plat defence(no handchecking no centers camping in the lanes tick tack fouls).Some people mostly teens have no idea what the game used to be like before 1996 defence was tought and you earned your points not days with the rule changes the game has been watered down and is a former shadow of what it was.NBA DEFENCE IS DEAD
damn 2Big2strong2 ....give kobe alittle something ..hop off mj dick for just 2 mintues and gave kobe 1 and only 1 over mj... how about most all star mvps
well the difference is 1 had a afro and 1 was bald... plus MJ played in a era wheree the NBA had watered down talent and Kobe played in a era where almost every team has unreal athletic ability... so yea
"Kobe played in a era where almost every team has unreal athletic ability..."
Piss poor logic
MJ was more athletic than Kobe by a wide margin, your 2011 NBA Championship team consisted of unathletic white guys including the 38 year old Jason Kidd, the 32 year old Dirk, and the 5'10 Barea
Very athletic right?
Other than Dwight,I don't seem to recall seeing centers today with the athletic ability of a Prime Shaq, Alonzo, Hakeem, Patrick Ewing, David Robinson, Kemp
@Hawkhunter07 Kobe also plays in a era with no hand checking and next to no contact and tick tack fouls the 1994,95 year was the darkest year in the nba the day hand checking got eliminated from the game is the day basketball defence died.The game has be catered towards perimeter players and as a result alot of these players numbers have been exaggerated Kobe included I would say in a handchecking era Kobe would be good for 17 a game could you imagine Joe Dumars on Kobe Joe would kill him
@Hawkhunter07 Naww , You Got this All Wrong , Kobe Defended By Allen , Pierce , Hill , Used to By Artest , And Who Was Jordan Guarded By ? Starks !?! Wtf Is That ? How You Goin Compare them Against Him And The Shitty Players that Huarded Jordan ? Kobe And Jordan On the Same Level But If I had To Choose 1v1 Kobe Vs jordan , Kobe Anyday .
You obviously don't know anything about Jordan or Kobe, Allen...I don't know which Allen you're refering to but Tony Allen is a joke of a defender he is only a 1x all defensive second team LOL, and the other can be Ray Allen...lol i don't even have to explain that
I laughed when you listed Hill because Jordan played against a pre-injury prime Grant Hill who was much more athletic than he is now and abused him dropping 50+ points on him and his team
You forget a 40 year old MJ played against both Pierce and Artest during his wizards days and put up decent numbers against them, a 40 year old MJ put up 32 points against Paul pierce on 46% shooting while Pierce put up 14 points on 37.5% shooting, a prime MJ would murder them, did I mention Artest said Prime MJ would drop 50 points on him?
Did you forget Dennis Rodman 2x DPOY all defense 1st team 7 times, Gary payton DPOY All Defensive 1st team 9 times, Anthony Mason who was also all defensive 2nd team once but was much bigger/stronger than Tony Allen, and other guys like Michael Cooper DPOY, and Sidney Moncrief DPOY?
Son when you listed Grant Hill and Tony Allen, I knew u didn't know shit and I checked your profile as I expected you were a 20 year old dumbass who didn't even watch Prime Jordan
Jordan drops 53 points against Prime Grant Hill and the Pistons
Did I just murder your whole argument son? Why the fuck would you even list Grant Hill anyways you stupid piece of shit? The guy is 38 years old and had multiple injuries playing against Kobe, do you even watch basketball?
Just listen to me kid, watch a game of basketball in the 90s it can be pretty entertaining or else you're just embarassing yourself
kobe outscored the whole mavericks team in three quarters one time scoring 62 points and them 61, butim not ignorant mj was and always will be better. from a laker fan..
Don't you notice how most lakers fans always bring up single game performances? Single game performances are less significant than long term success like career average and career playoff average or a series average
Tell me how many 50+ point games Kobe has in the playoffs and what his finals ppg and FG% is, tell me how great he is when it really matters compared to MJ
@Hawkhunter07 you're the one with no logic faggot. You're using an example from this year, when kobe was clearly NOT in his prime. Anybody who knows anything about basketball knows that. In fact, kobe has played against all the centers you named and dominated them, im actually pretty sure he's dunked on half the centers you named LOL and he won 3 championships with shaq when he was ACTUALLY in his prime. Kobe is the GOAT. better scorer, shooter, and passer than mj. So please GTFO!
Kobe was only 32 years old, MJ was still the best and winning at the age of 33-35 even though he was not in his prime (don't give me the mileage argument) so what is your point kid?
How exactly is Kobe a better scorer with 25+ and 45% with only 2 scoring titles? How come Kobe only has 2 50+ games in the playoffs where it matters? How is Kobe a better passer with less APG and when MJ had 10 triple doubles in 13 games that year when he played point guard?
@Hawkhunter07 The point is statistics lie, and you're abusing the shit out of some facts you probably found on wikipedia, and no actual basketball knowledge. Kobe came out of high school, so there are 3 years where kobe was still developing and riding the bench that are counted in his career stats, which obviously lowers them greatly. And even tho kobe is only 32 he's had many more playing yrs at this point than mj cuz of the 3 extra yrs out of high school AND mj's 2 year hiatus.
Your point is contradicting, you say Kobe has many more playing years because he came in the NBA at a younger age, however he RODE the bench, that's why I say you can't use the mileage argument because he was riding the bench his 1st few years! How can you count them as full playing years? Let's not forget MJ was a KEY starter in his N Carolina years, therefore it's fair to compare them YEAR BY YEAR, and Kobe at age 32 is SHIT compared to MJ at age 32, FACT.
@Hawkhunter07 My point actually isn't contradicting, but you're an idiot so i'll explain again. My point was that kobe's STATS are gonna be worse because the first few years he hardly played. It's pretty hard to average 30+ coming off the fucking bench you idiot, so yeah his career stats are obviously going to be lower. And I can't believe you just tried to compare mj's college years as being equally draining as playing in the fucking NBA! Even with low minutes there is NO comparison, c'mon kid.
haha what a moron, listen up kid, even if you take away Kobe's first few years, that would mean you would have to take away MJ's last few years with the wizards and MJ's numbers would still be better. I don't know if you bothered checking or not, but Kobe's played 15.5 minutes per game in his 1st year, and 26 minutes per game in his 2nd year, you seriously want to fucking say these LOW MINUTES ARE much MORE draining than playing like 40 minutes in college? They are at best equal
@Hawkhunter07 Actually you idiot it doesn’t make sense to say that mj’s years with the wizards are at all equivalent to kobes first years with the lakers. MJ was already a respected veteran and got WAY more minutes than kobe to put up stats. He was an actual starter!!! Do you remember that? Or had you not started watching basketball yet LOL
Again with this college basketball bullshit? I have to pwn you again im sorry. Do you think the only time pros play is during games? Sure kobe didn’t play as many minutes but he’s got practice day in and day out where his 18 yr old boy body is throwing elbows with grown 25+ yr grown men. And even if kobe’s minutes were lower, if you consider how many more games he was playing, almost 3x as many, even THAT evens out. I just can’t believe I had to tell you this…smh
not to mention comparing stats is ridiculously unfair because michael jordan DID play in a watered down league where there were no gaurds who could play any kind of perimeter defense, besides gary payton. Kobe played against much more athletic players AT HIS POSITION and still dominated. Of course in this tougher league he's not going to have as many assists!!! but anybody who watched them can tell kobe is a much better passer. IN HIS PRIME KOBE WOULD DOMINATE MJ. Do you get the point now kid?
"but anybody who watched them can tell kobe is a much better passer. IN HIS PRIME KOBE WOULD DOMINATE MJ. Do you get the point now kid?"
You can't get a point across by just simply saying it without any fact to prove it, tell me who are these credible people that say Kobe is a better passer, I know everyone that has watched them both said MJ was a better passer, do you get the point now kid? (Using your logic) The only thing I give Kobe is he was a better playmaker at age 21
@Hawkhunter07 hahaha mark jackson and Rick Barry are just some of the basketball ANALYSTS to specifically say kobe is a better passer. Sorry i thought this was common knowledge, but i forgot i was talking to an idiot. Go watch some tapes/get educated and then you'll be able to see my point clearly. And you didn't argue against my point kobe was much better at mj than shooting did you??? lol face it kobe is the goat
Actually it's not common knowledge that Kobe's a better passer, Kobe's assist/TO ratio is 1.75, and Jordan's is 1.96, Kobe never had a season where his assist/TO ratio was above 2, whereas Jordan has done this for 6 seasons
Jordan averaged 10.4 assists over 25 games when he was moved to PG, having an AMAZING 2.9 Assists/1 TO ratio, Kobe, when placed in a similar do-it-all role by Rudy T in 2005 for 30 games, averaged 6.7 assists but 4.6 TO, half of Jordan's ratio
@Hawkhunter07 hahahahahahaha congrats jordan played a stretch of 25 games with more assists then a stretch of 25 games you chose played by kobe......LOL i'm not even gonna justify this shit with an argument.
Jordan averaged 8apg or more in 4-5 playoff series, Kobe has NEVER DONE that once, and you want to talk about impressive assists Jordan averaged 11.4 APG in the 91 finals against Magic Johnson! Jordan's career playoff average in 1993 was 6.7 apg
Haha you're a fucking moron for bringing up opinions, do you not even know that it doesn't favor you at all?
You can't just cherry pick opinions to work it into your favor, so if you believe in Mark Jackson, somehow you don't believe in MUCH greater players like Magic Johnson, Isiah Thomas, Reggie Miller, Lebron, Chris Webber, T-Mac and a whole bunch of other players that say MJ is better than Kobe?
You think Mark Jackson is more credible than these other guys? Are you a moron
@Hawkhunter07 OH MY GOD YOU ARE RETARDED. The point of bringing up mark Jackson, shaq, etc. was that it was random as fuck!!! I was showing you that anyone can go find some random analyst/former player that agrees with them. The point is these players you keep referencing are irrelevant, because I could do the same. But obviously you were far too slow to catch the point I was making. Unlike you, I’m NOT making an argument by using players opinions, you fucking hypocrite.
@Hawkhunter07 And for your information, which you obviously need a lot of, great player does not equal well informed. Oscar Robertson, Wilt chamberlin, etc. all think jordan's era was weak and they would have dominated more than him. Should we just believe them cuz they were great players??? Fuck no!!! All players have bias and can be wrong, no matter how good they were. And you....you're just always wrong LOL
I JUST MURDERED YOUR ARGUMENT SON! You gotta try harder this argument is clearly favoring me, you have used no statistics to back up your claim, and instead opt for your own subjective opinion and the opinions of a scrub like Mark Jackson while ignoring legends like Magic Johnson and Scottie Pippen, Drexler etc
You say the league is watered down yet I have tons of great players saying otherwise
CAN you at least argue better? This is too easy for me now
I have a tough time believing Kobe dominated the way MJ did, Kobe rarely had seasons where he dominated from an individual standpoint AND a team standpoint, I dare you to try and name me some of these seasons but it'll just pale in comparison to MJ's numerous seasons.
"Of course in this tougher league he's not going to have as many assists!!! "
^ LOL SORRY I LAUGHED OUT LOUD, this type of reasoning from Kobetards is too much to handle loll
@Hawkhunter07 I don't even know what you mean by "individual AND a team," are you calling kobe a ballhog?? because mj shot the ball just as much, ESPECIALLY in his early years where he shot almost half his team shots...47% or something like that LOL and plaing in a tougher league will lowers stats doesn't make sense??.....that's what i thought bitch, GTFO
A tougher league is your own subjective opinion, since you like to bring opinions I can use opinions of credible players and coaches that make you sound like a fool. Clyde Drexler, Penny Hardaway, Scottie Pippen and a bunch of other stars/hall of famers have repeatedly stated their ppg would've gone up if they played in today's era due to no handchecking and lack of physicality.
@Hawkhunter07 Of course those fucking players said they would average more in today’s game, EVERYONE SAYS THAT about the next era. Oscar Robertson thinks he could have averaged 50 when Jordan played, wilt thinks he could have averaged 100. This means NOTHING. Everybody thinks the game is easier when they’re watching from the sidelines instead of playing. I have srsly never debated someone with as low an IQ as you…wow
You don't know what I mean by individual and team success at the same time? Are you a fucking idiot do you play basketball?
I mean there's rarely a season where Kobe has had team success meaning he won a ring, and had the individual success that MJ did. Most of the time when Kobe was on fire, like 05-06, he never came close to winning a ring, when he won a ring like he did in 10, he put up atrocious numbers like 40FG%, he only had both in a few seasons
@Hawkhunter07 I didn’t know what you meant because it didn’t make any fucking sense. You didn’t say team success, you said kobe dominating from a team standpoint, which is idiotic and in no way means what you just explained. Going off what you just said, earlier you should have said kobe dominates as an individual and LAKERS dominate from a team standpoint. But of course you didn’t because you’re an idiot and need to go to school. Excuse me for not understanding your moronic language
@Hawkhunter07 Addressing your individual and team success argument; when kobe was in his prime, his supporting cast was kwame brown and smush parker…..i need not say more. While MJ had top 50 greatest of all time Scottie pippen backing him up throughout his career. There’s your explanation for the discrepancy faggot, now stfu please
THE ALMIGHTY athletic monsters of 38 year old Jason Kidd, and the 33 year old Jason Terry and the 5'10 white Barea!!! LOL Your reasoning makes me laugh, so why couldn't Kobe dominate them and instead played like shit in the elimination game against Mavs?
If I recall correctly, Kobe played like shit against the likes of Tony Allen, Rondo, Ray Allen in the 2010 Finals from an individual standpoint, and those guys aren't even ATHLETIC nor very defensive minded LOL
@Hawkhunter07 The fact that you are repeating arguments i have already handled shows how much i am winning this. I'll state again: Kobe is NOT in his prime right now, mj played about 5 less years of pro ball then kobe at this point, which DOES mean everything. Celtics not defensive minded?? ok its official you don't know what you are talking about haha the celtics have been one of the best defensive teams for yrs, and kobe still got 28+ Pts, 8 Rbd, 4 Asst, and 2+ stls....sounds terrible LOL
My reference to the centers was about how today's center lack the ability of the guys I named, not how Kobe fared against them, so learn to read please?
MJ averaged 33+ in playoff career, had 10 scoring titles, shot 30+ and 49.7% throughout his career, if Kobe is a better scorer how come he lacks great games in the playoffs compared to MJ and only has 2 50point games?
Kobe doesn't become a better scorer ,passer just because YOU SAY SO, the facts say otherwise
You might want to justify how a 38 year old Kidd or Barea or Jason Terry or Dirk has unreal athleticism since you responded to my post with so much enthusiasm ;)
@Hawkhunter07 LOL athleticism isn't just being able to jump high or ran fast you fucking idiot. Dirk is a 7 footer with great footwork and range past the three point line, NO player in mj's era had those kind of abilities. But regardless that's not the point, and i don't know why the fuck you brought it up. It has nothing to do with the fact that prime kobe is better than prime michael.
You're a fucking idiot, a huge part of athleticism is how fast you run, how high you jump, how strong you are, being able to shoot past the three point line HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH athleticism, are you fucking stupid? LOL Great footwork and having great range makes you a great player but it is NOT ATHLETICISM, why don't you learn what the definition is before coming back you dumbass? LOL
@Hawkhunter07 hahaha wow you are a fucking retard, well i do love winning so i'll keep going. I never said those things weren't a part of athleticism, i said they weren't the ONLY part. Learn to read faggot. A 7 footer with dirks kind of footwork takes EXTRAORDINARY athleticism. But i suppose you would actually have to know basketball in order to know this so i'll let it slide LOL btw i still don't know why you keep bringing this up, it is in no way related to the point i am making. Keep up kid.
LOL you dumbfuck, you don't even know what athleticism is this is too sad and too easy for me.
"I never said those things weren't a part of athleticism, i said they weren't the ONLY part. "
FOOTWORK IS NOT extraordinary athleticism, extraordinary athleticism are physical abilities that others do not possess UNLESS they have the same physical traits.
For example, Jordan's peak had a 48 inch vertical, another player cannot suddenly jump 48 inches high even if you allowed them to jump all they want in an open gym, it cannot be REPLICATED unless you have the same physical traits to do so.
However, everyone has the potential to replicate footwork, you do not need ATHLETICISM to do it, you need skills and practice to pull it off in a game, NOT ATHLETICISM
If prime Kobe is better than MJ, tell me why he doesn't have 10 scoring titles, 5 mvp, 6 finals mvp ,3 steal titles, 1 DPOY, 1 ROTY, 30+ and 49.7%, 33+ in playoff career?
Tell me why his game doesn't raise in the playoff (where it matters) like MJ did? It's laughable he only has 2 50 point games in the playoffs LOL
@Hawkhunter07 haha i really don't know why you even posted this when you know the fucking answer. Srsly are you slow?? I've responded to this a million times. Kobe doesn't have those because this league is WAY tougher than the watered down version in mj's era. And srsly rookie of the yr? I can tell you're really reaching for every little award you can, which i could totally do if i wanted but it's pointless lol come back with some actual basketball arguments pls
If the league is way tougher, tell me why all I've ever heard is how MJ would have dominated even more if he played in today's game
Do not be quoting Mark Jackson when you are ignoring the likes of Magic Johnson, Reggie Miller, Clyde Drexler, Scottie Pippen, Phil Jackson, Doc Rivers, and a whole bunch of other credible players
If you're going to use opinions, you gotta accept what a shitload of more accomplished and credible players are saying
If Prime Kobe is better, tell me why Doc Rivers said Prime MJ would average 42+ and 50% against the 2010 Celtics? Why Phil Jackson said MJ would average 45 pts in today's era and MJ should be taken out of the equation because it is unfair to compare anyone to him? Why Kobe's teammates all say MJ is better than Kobe: Glen Rice, Gary Payton, Ron Harper, Robert Horry
kobe bryant "COPY KING"
LackvipEr 9 hours ago
wtf kobe aint nothing but a fake ass trying to be michael jordan but aint shit
ladiegoon1 5 days ago
kobe bad poker face |:
D3novan 1 week ago
this plays anyone in life did it once, you're right, the way kobe plays is like MJ, but Kobe is doing better, MJ recently said that Kobe is the ONLY player in the history who compares to him, and always will be, no one will be better than MJ, as no one will be better than Kobe... MJ words
eusoulegal77 1 week ago
@eusoulegal77
Kobe is not doing it better, give it up, it's pathetic
Hawkhunter07 1 week ago
Kobe is like a smaller version of Jordan not smaller in size but in how he does everything Jordan did but Jordan did it first and he did it better . MJ-Goat
HeyBenDover 1 week ago
Kobe has the same playing style as Jordan
The only difference is Jordan did it 1st and did it better
gwmkwan 2 weeks ago
the best
d23682 2 weeks ago
6-28 shooting? Are you kidding me?
ilocos78 3 weeks ago
truely enjoyable video cut and also great song, thanks : )
lancerieVIP 1 month ago
Michael Jordan Forever
nickjordan16 1 month ago
Kobe is a top 10 NBA player of all time, but Jordan is and always will be the GOAT! And for all you stat lovers out there. MJ shot over 50% in game tying or winning shots, while Kobe was in the lower 30% in game tying or winning shits, so don't ever dare say Kobe was just as clutch as MJ. I find it funny how people can actually say kobe is better, LOL!
MrXxZeldaxX17 1 month ago
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@BRadLEYBee1 A. Jordans career high isnt 63... watch him vs Cavs Scoring 69! B. Jordan played against BETTER defenders than now. Barkley, Hakeem, Penny, Izzy Thomas, Joe Dumars, Stockton, Malone, Payton, etc. Are Prime examples. C. Think about who Jordan and Kobe faced when they got their highs.... Jordan vs High Defensive Arsenal Team of the Cleveland Cavs VS Kobe vs HORRIBLE, WORST-IN-THE-LEAGUE Toronto Raptors
Think About That Bxtches
MrSeDucTioNz 2 months ago
Isiah Thomas is better than Jordan. Think about it, that pussy Jordan couldn't get through Detroit for THREE STRAIGHT SEASONS in the playoffs. He had to beg David Stern for a supporting cast in order to beat Isiah Thomas and the BAD BOYS of Detroit. Detroit's 88-89 and 89-90 teams are still the BEST to ever be assembled. Suck on that Jordan fans.
ripyinkadare 2 months ago
@ripyinkadare You just mad because you live in that shit hole called Detrash.
188Sozum 2 months ago
@ripyinkadare : jordan couldn't get through detriot?....ok so how does that prove isiah was better? that just shows the pistons were better than the Bulls. not that thomas was better.
imsljr420 1 month ago
@BhradR yea i know but jordan teabaged, knocked down, and gave the dude beef stew,
kobe just caressed the dudes forehead with his genitals
again, just saying, still a kobe fan, you have a good point, best center in the nba being tea bagged :)
SalahG6 2 months ago
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The God & Jesus Christ of BasketBall.
AjViShus 3 months ago
welll it is obvious that jordan is a little darker
TheGianniar 3 months ago 18
yah right...!
marasigantubtub 3 months ago
it's freaky how they do so much things the same
JohnWallAllDay2 3 months ago
@JohnWallAllDay2 It's not freaky; it's intentional. Kobe practiced all MJ's mannerisms and moves and still falls woefully short of MJ. You can't practice heart, will and killer instinct. Those things come naturally.
VinmanMJ23 1 month ago
@VinmanMJ23 hahahah. if you really think kobe doesnt have heart, will and killer instinct then youre seriously retarded.
shastabolicious8 1 month ago
@shastabolicious8 Yep and it was on full display yesterday. Kobe has the WILL and the HEART to take the game winning shot, only to have it swatted away in a 1-point loss on his home court. He has the WILL to be a great shooter, yet only shoots 45% for his career. One MVP, two scoring titles, 5-for-7 in the Finals with two FInals MVPs and you think he's in Jordan's league? I don't think I'm the one who's retarded.
VinmanMJ23 1 month ago
@VinmanMJ23 argue that with Jordan.
badexperiment 5 days ago
@badexperiment I must have missed something. Did MJ say that Kobe's 2 scoring titles to his 10 make Kobe better? Did he say that Kobe's 1 MVP to his 5 MVPs makes Kobe better. I need to turn on ESPN ans see what's going on.
VinmanMJ23 5 days ago
@VinmanMJ23 You keep on implying that people are trying to say that Kobe is better than Jordan. Quit trying to start arguments, all basketball fans know Jordan is the GOAT. Kobe's work ethic and competitive nature is something we haven't seen since Jordan. You add that to stats, wins, rings, clutch, efficiency, ect. then Kobe is definitely one of the greatest. It's a shame someone like you can't appreciate a good player just because you're a Jordan fan.
badexperiment 4 days ago
@badexperiment It's not that I don't like Kobe. It's just when I see him play and he does something "spectacular" it almost looks boring because I immediately think that I have already seen it before, only better. Kobe created his own monster by copying every mannerism of MJ from the way he walks, talks, smiles, shoots, sticks his tongue out, etc. Other players are judged on their own merit because they have their own style. Look at LeBron. Love him or hate him, he has his own unique style.
VinmanMJ23 4 days ago
I'm a kobe fan and all, but kobe didnt knock down the guy when dunking... that says a lot @2:24
SalahG6 3 months ago
@SalahG6 Kobe cant knock over dwight howard!
karanjuvekar96 2 months ago
@SalahG6 He doesn't need to knock down the back to back defensive player of the year. All he needs to do is teabag the best center in the NBA.
BhradR 2 months ago
@BasedGuru
Another misconception, Jordan made every single highschool team, he just didn't make his varsity team during junior year, Juniors are not supposed to play varsity and after he got cut from varsity he still made the team and had an ass kicking season
Hawkhunter07 3 months ago
The difference of James and Bryant is
Kobe has 5 rings while James made 5 steps
DonDondoyano 3 months ago 13
@DonDondoyano Coooooooooold bloooooooooooooded!
gsvkck 3 months ago
@DonDondoyano difference of james and you is that james have a million dollar contract and 5 steps but you only a computer to post stupid comments
Mihai1Jordan 2 days ago
when you look at jordan's squads over the yrs....pippen, rodman, kerr, etc. these guys weren't the best but they were better than luke walton, sasha vujacic and steve blake.Jordan's career high was 63...and if im not mistaking i think kobe is sitting on 81. Yes Jordan was a stud, but look at the competition around the league now vs. then, Jordan didnt face guys like lebron, rose, melo and durant , but yet Kobe still has more all star MVPs (even with all the competiton he's surrounded by)
BRadLEYBee1 3 months ago
@BRadLEYBee1
Idiots like you shouldn't say a damn word when you don't know anything about MJ. Rodman and Kerr only played with MJ for 3 years, you ever wondered what MJ's team was like before the 2nd 3peat? Bill cartwright, John Paxson, Horace Grant, BJ Armstrong, Will Perdue...
Not a single one of the pre-2nd 3peat guys were an all-star except for Pippen
and anyone who thinks Jordan's career high is 63 does not know a damn about Michael Jordan or basketball in general
Hawkhunter07 3 months ago
@BRadLEYBee1
Love how you use all star MVPs where it's a clown fest and teams only try in the last 6 minutes, Jordan 4 more mvps than Kobe, 4 more finals mvp, 3 more steal titles, 8 more scoring titles, 1 more DPOY, 1 ROTY, 30+ and 50%, 34+ in playoff career, averaging 40+ in a Finals series once...
and you're talking about All-star MVP? Are you stupid?
Hawkhunter07 3 months ago
@BRadLEYBee1
Give me a break, Lebron and Wade and Kobe all lost to a washed up 38 year old Jason Kidd and an old Dirk, so if those guys can win a championship in the modern NBA I'm pretty fucking sure guys like Prime Shaq, Hakeem, Karl Malone, Isiah Thomas, Magic Johnson, Dominique Wilkins, Drexler, Barkley, Stockton, Prime Payton Prime Bird, Mchale, Ewing, Penny were better than the competition of today's NBA, not to mention it was a more physical league with handchecking
Shut your trap kid
Hawkhunter07 3 months ago
@BRadLEYBee1 There are so many false statements in your comment that I don't know where to begin. Jordan scored 69 points and had 18 rebounds in the same game against a playoff team. I'd argue that that is as good of a game or better than 81 against the worst defensive team in the league.Rules changes make scoring easier now. All star games are a single, meaningless pick-up game. MJ has 5 reg season MVPs, 6 FInals MVPs, 10 scoring titles and took two year off in his prime.
VinmanMJ23 1 month ago
This was pre 24
mrtamnus1 3 months ago
kobe is a great stalker lol
tehboss09 3 months ago
i hate this comparison because there is only so much that can be done in the game of basketball. you dont ever really plan what youre going to do. you just do what comes to your head in the moment.
s0meguy09 4 months ago
kobe is like yes im michael jordan WHAT A WANKA
fgypsy45 4 months ago
damn this is kinda creepy...he's copied his moves so well...
MikeyIV 4 months ago
The truth is that every SG and SF wants to be like mike. The fact that only Kobe has come even remotely close shows not only Jordan's skill but Kobe's as well.
sexymuthafuxxxa 4 months ago
i will always want to be like jordan but would never want to be like kobe. why? because kobe has always wanted to be like jordan, so in a sense kobe and i have the same aspirations, and michael is the inspiration....
fuckcybersociety 4 months ago
LOL 0:26 EWING GET THE GARBAGE OUTA HERE!
DBOWEPROBOWL 4 months ago
What's the difference? Jordan is pretty much better at everything.
They'd need to cut down half a rain forest for paper to measure MJ's stat line, Kobe on the other hand, would be fine with a notepad.
I Like Kobe, he's a beast, but he's not the GOAT.
daveberg69 4 months ago
/watch?v=Bywj2QTnA7E
dannywuyue 5 months ago
Unreal, 1,860 comments, why waste so much time instead of just coming to my page? I have the best Kobe vs Jordan comparisons in the world.
theblitzchannel 5 months ago
Jordan and Kobe both atop all competition while playing. they were always better mentally and fundamentally , however Jordan was feared as a player Kobe is only respected not feared. no team wanted to see Jordan but there are teams who disrespect Kobe by simply saying they like playing him.
WOODLEM1 5 months ago
kobe:can i copy some of ur moves
Micheal:no problem
TheMrshikilla 5 months ago
theres no difference just michael is less selfish and dunks better while kobe hits 3 pointers better and has some smooth moves
KoBeBryAnTl8l24l 5 months ago
mj got 6 rings and on bulls kobe 5 and lakers
tjm2037 5 months ago
skill wise kobe is better hes has more fundelmentals than jordan or any other player ,
jordans thing over kobe is his physical attributes such as his big hands and amazing leaping ability. which made is all around game better
The8310353 5 months ago
@The8310353 - I'm a little confused, without causing argument, what is it that people think Kobe has in 'fundamentals' over Jordan?
I don't see it myself. Kobe is fantastic, one of the all time greats, but MJ, well, he just made it look too easy.
daveberg69 4 months ago
the difference iz MJ iz the best there will ever b & he way better than kobe kobe iz good n all but nobody will ever b beter than michael jordan no arguement
JHNCY23 5 months ago
0:10-0:14 SWAG THAT NO OTHER NBA PLAYER WILL EVER HAVE
lush1993 5 months ago
yeah, but still look its official you kno jordans the goat, but to me i still think kobe is the best and to other people to and where gonna keep thinkng that so kobes always gonna be right behind jordan or in my eyes ahead of that nigga droping 60 ponts on the wizards when jordan was in it idk how much he scored but still
DaLiFeOfDaPaRtY00 5 months ago
@DaLiFeOfDaPaRtY00 Jordan was in his late 30's and 40 when he played on the Wizards. Kobe will be retired before then.
cicirunner 5 months ago
MJ is the original and only
AkaKlutch 5 months ago
song name?
ImAmBiTioN 5 months ago
hmmm kobe vs jordan......... thats up to the fans in my opinion kobe is the greatest of all time kobe would shit in any era and 81 is impressive even if it was against the raptors he its 81 points right, in my OPINION kobe is better........ and if you cant take an opinion your ignorant thats my opinion
DaLiFeOfDaPaRtY00 6 months ago
@DaLiFeOfDaPaRtY00 and i grew up watching kobe three peat rapeing 2 peat so maybe thats why i feel like that maybe if i would of grown up watching jordan play id feel differnt
DaLiFeOfDaPaRtY00 6 months ago
@DaLiFeOfDaPaRtY00 so scoring 81 points vs one of the worst defenses in the nba at that time makes him better than MJ?Lmao, MJ had to deal with handchecking, more physical play[BAD BOY PISTONS] and better players[A young more athletic shaq, Bird, Magic, Dumars , Isiah, somewhat in his prime Hakeem, David Robinson, Barkley, Drexler] etc etc, MJ had no great offensive big man throughout his whole career, Kobe has gotten 2, and has gotten to the finals with only them[Gasol, Shaq]
teeejayykay 5 months ago
@teeejayykay yeah ok
DaLiFeOfDaPaRtY00 5 months ago
@DaLiFeOfDaPaRtY00 what a great thought out response to back up your "argument"
whats next, you're gonna bring up the fact that kobe is "clutch"?Since 1996, he is 36-115 in shots when his team is down in the last 24 seconds when the game is tied or his team is down by 1 or 2 points, 31.3%, abysmal number
before you call me a hater, I enjoy watching Kobe play, but even he has admitted that Jordan is better than him and jordan is the greatest, its on youtube.
teeejayykay 5 months ago
@teeejayykay look i just dont wanna get into yall get really butt hurt and start talking shit, look only argument i wanna make is i grew up wacthing kobe play and his best seasons where when they where elimanted by the suns twice and there was a month when he was averaging 40 pts yo if kobe gets good practice cause you kno hes been injured right, hes gonna be ridiculous, and you sound like a hater, dam whered you get that stat from your on his nuts hahaha
DaLiFeOfDaPaRtY00 5 months ago
@DaLiFeOfDaPaRtY00 where'd i get that stat from?A simple google search, it took 10 seconds out of my life, and another 20 to look out the number. Ok, i understand you grew up watching Kobe play and hes probably your idol, but to put him over MJ just because he scored 81 points and because he averaged 40 ppg for a month is dumb. MJ played point guard for one month and was averaging a triple double the whole month and got 6 triple doubles that month alone. Kobes age is catching up to him, Jordans
teeejayykay 5 months ago
@teeejayykay did too, but the difference between Jordan and Kobe was that Jordan started to get wiser, stopped trying to take dumb shots, passed the ball more, had a better shot selection and opened up the floor for his team way more despite his old age and his hops being almost gone.
And nah, im not a hater. Kobe is in my top 5 favorite nba players today actually, fun to watch except when he chucks up garbage shots.
teeejayykay 5 months ago
@DaLiFeOfDaPaRtY00 Seems like Kobe is injured all of the time. Nothing but excuses.
cicirunner 5 months ago
Jordan has this legacy that people won't question. Phil Jackson himself said Kobe is the better ball handler and shooter and equal in the clutch...but Michael has bigger hands. In short Phil just answered the question Kobe is BETTER period.
chinogian08 6 months ago
@chinogian08
Awesome copy and paste
But you also left out where Phil Jackson said MJ would average 45 points in today's era, and where he also said MJ's greatness will never be superseded, and MJ should be taken out of the equation and no one should EVER be compared to him (including Kobe) because it's not fair.
This is what PJ said about Kobe trying to reach MJ:
"It's one thing to want to be like him, but it's another thing to be like him, Kobe doesn't shoot the same percentage"
Hawkhunter07 6 months ago
Kobe has a better Fade away Jump shot. and better 3 point shooting
Unstoppab1eK1NG 6 months ago
the ony defference in the tough of mj
coolbreather 6 months ago
Whats the difference you ask? Camera quality.
smukiria 6 months ago
Jordan Played in one of the most watered down times in any sport. Dog had pippen anf the greatest defensive player ever in Rodman. Lets be honest, Jordan is slightly better but the gap is micro. Kobe just get dogged because he came after Jordan. If Jordan and Kobe switched places, everyone would be thinking the opposite of today
mrtamnus1 6 months ago
@mrtamnus1 Jordan had Pippen?
Oh ok, it's not like Kobe had one of the most dominant players ever, a top 10 player ever, and the 3 time finals MVP named Shaquille O'Neal for his first 3 titles. It's not like that or anything
teeejayykay 5 months ago
Ok To All U MJ Fanboys...Before U Start ''Kobe-Hatin'' Realize The Time In Which They Played..MJ Was Guarded On A Nightly Basis By Starks, Reggie, Hornacek Hershey Hawkins??? Really?! He Was Supposed To Dominate He Was Athletically Superior To Anybody In His Era, Mite I Add He Had The Best Defensive Perimeter Player Of His Era On His Team
Kobe On The Otherhand Has Been Guarded By The Likes Of LeBron, Iguodala, Pierce, Joe Johnson..NOW Who Had The Tougher Go Nite In And Nite Out...Exactly
ThaTakeFlightEra 6 months ago
most of the guys you named are small forwards...idiot,kobe rarely matches up with small forwards..joe johnson is the only guy who defends kobe on a regular basis,but again,that same guy has said that it would be harder to defend jordan today. btw gary payton is the best defensive perimeter of jordans era..about reggie,the same guy kobe shot %36 aganist?and that was reggie at 34 years old.. pierce wasnt even as effective as hawkins or starks was aganist jordan,and that was jordan at 40 years old
netcap001 6 months ago
@ThaTakeFlightEra please explain how kobe managed to outscore jordan(38 y/o) by a mere 1 point per game before jordans injury in 2001-2002..same comp..jordan owned everyone,make sure you have a decent amount of knowledge before you diss old school players you idiot. by your logic jordan was guarded by dominique wilkins and clyde drexler,those guys were very athletic,both of them probably have a higher vertical leap than iguodala,pierce,and johnson..jordan averaged 34-35 ppg vs them
netcap001 6 months ago
@netcap001 higher vertical leap makes you a better defender?
k6mi 5 months ago
@k6mi he implied that kobe was guarded by "more athletic" defenders..and vertical leap is an aspect of athleticism
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LifeFirst 4 months ago
@LifeFirst i agree with what ur saying,you probably responded to the wrong person. i didnt say that kobe was guarded by more athletic defenders.
netcap001 4 months ago
@ThaTakeFlightEra MJ had to go up against: Joe Dumars, Dennis Rodman, Isiah Thomas, Gerald Wilkins, Danny Ainge, Dan Marjerle, Craig Ehlo, Steve Smith, Reggie Theus, John Starks, Derek Harper, Gary Payton, Bryan Russell, Vernon Maxwell, Alvin Robertson, Ron Harper, Ronaldo Blackman, Nick Anderson, Tim Hardaway, Grant Hill, Charles Barkley, Sidney Moncrief, Stacey Augmon, Steve Smith......
All better defenders than Joe Johnson, Igudala, LeBron, freaking Carmello...you kidding me?
LifeFirst 4 months ago
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@ThaTakeFlightEra Kobe was guarded by more athletic defenders huh?? Kirk Hinrich John Salmons Loul Deng Al Harrington Anthony Morrow Corey Magette Bruce Bowen Luc Mboute-moute George Hill Ron Artest Doug Christie Trenton Hassel Jaren Jackson Mario Elie Shane Battier Matt Harpring Andre Kirilenko Bonzi Wells Rueben Patterson Von Wafer Jarrett Jack Jason Kidd Deshawn Stevenson Shawn Marion Raja Bell Yeah....all super athletic slam dunk champions here.
LifeFirst 4 months ago
jordans fade away shot was a lot nicer and mj was like the best fundamental player ever, he also played in a tougher era like now how the defense seems more to be as the offense
phxfasho 6 months ago
kobe has been watching all of jordan videos.
iluvpupok 6 months ago
kobe is a copy..great player..but jordan is the best by far..original all around...man it was fun to watch jordan play..its called entertainment..sorry guys but its true.
Pickislam 6 months ago
JORDAN #1 no. QUESTION! 80's and 90's Basketball are the toughest! You kids should start watching where it all started and compare!
ForME4mi 6 months ago
@ForME4mi basketball started in the 50s to 60s -_-
SoHLaRR 6 months ago
@SoHLaRR nope basketball started in the 18 hundreds man
ForME4mi 6 months ago
@ForME4mi i meant the nba -_-
SoHLaRR 6 months ago
@SoHLaRR yeah, i just said 80's and 90's are the toughest. i didnt mean it started in the 80's. sorry my bad!
ForME4mi 6 months ago
kobe is no match for michael..
manakoebunz 6 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 I agree that Jordan is more athletic but not by a wide margin. If we were to grade Kobe and MJ in terms of athleticism, Kobe would get an A and Jordan would get an A+. Kobe is at the elite level of athleticism which means that you can't get much better than that. That's why its absolutely ridiculous to say Jordan or anyone for that matter is way more athletic than Kobe.
therealsuperman64 6 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 It's only a big margin when you exaggerate. Jordan doesn't have a bigger body than Kobe. In fact they're almost equals as far as strength and body composition goes. And I don't know who told u that Jordan ran way faster than Kobe but that's bull shit. Unless you evaluated them yourself with a stopwatch then there's no way u would know that. Jordan isn't gay so you need to get off his dick and stop being so damn biased.
therealsuperman64 6 months ago
@therealsuperman64
Clearly you don't know anything about them both, Jordan was stronger than Kobe, even Phil Jackson said "He's (MJ) stronger, he has a bigger body", Jordan was documented to have 4% bodyfat with 48 inch vertical, and in terms of how fast MJ ran that was documented too you should research more, anyone who's watched them both know MJ trumps Kobe athletically. The athletic trainer Tim Grover for MJ/Kobe said MJ was the best physically he has ever seen.
So I'm not being biased
Hawkhunter07 6 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 No one is more athletic than Kobe by a wide margin... So please don't make any more piss poor statements
therealsuperman64 6 months ago
@therealsuperman64
MJ had a 48 inch Vertical, had the fastest 1st step Phil Jackson has ever seen, had much bigger body with 4% body fat, ran a lot fucking faster, had bigger hands, pretty sure that's a pretty big margin there you dumbass faggot fuck
Hawkhunter07 6 months ago
MJ is MJ. Kobe is a combo of everyone in the NBA. He knows every shot in the book, every skill. MJ has his own style, while KB is more diverse in his shots.
boogxian 6 months ago
I love how the first page of the comment section is full of replies.
andrewjax 6 months ago
@XxXBlackhawk2010XxX seriously? jordan beats kobe in just about every career stat.. and if you want to bust out who has more championships like you laker fans do with lebron, its jordan 6 kobe 5.. jordan is the greatest basketball player ever.. watch his film of his 6 finals...
FrankForGames 6 months ago
he who sing that song
rrlanota 6 months ago
if you watch the NBA since the 90s
you know Kobe just a copycat of Jordan
gwmkwan 7 months ago
@gwmkwan Everyone copied Jordan then. Now you'll see millions of teenagers copying Kobe, Lebron, Wade, and every other great.
I'll give Jordan the #1 spot, but the #2 goes the Kobe.
H0lyPh3n0m 6 months ago
or give kobe the 81 that he did and mj has ever did
MrDmm1990 7 months ago
@MrDmm1990
What is more difficult to attain?
81 points in a meaningless regular season game against the 2nd worst defensive team in the league?
or 10 scoring titles, 5 mvps, 6 finals mvps, 3 steal titles, 1 DPOY, 1 ROTY, 30+ ppg and 49.7, and 33+ ppg in the playoffs career, and having a final series averaging 40 ppg against a mvp led team?
Must be the single regular season game against the weak defensive team....mu...must be it!! (Kobe fan scream)
Hawkhunter07 7 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 I would have said Kobe got 81 against a shit team that due to the NBA rules are not allowed to plat defence(no handchecking no centers camping in the lanes tick tack fouls).Some people mostly teens have no idea what the game used to be like before 1996 defence was tought and you earned your points not days with the rule changes the game has been watered down and is a former shadow of what it was.NBA DEFENCE IS DEAD
nash3timemvp 7 months ago
@nash3timemvp excuse my mistakes
nash3timemvp 7 months ago
damn 2Big2strong2 ....give kobe alittle something ..hop off mj dick for just 2 mintues and gave kobe 1 and only 1 over mj... how about most all star mvps
MrDmm1990 7 months ago
scoring career per game Jordan 30.1 Kobe 25.0
best season scoring Jordan 37.1 Kobe 35.4
assists per game career Jordan 5.3 Kobe 4.6
best season assists per game Jordan 8.0 Kobe 6.0
career rebounds per game Jordan6.2 Kobe 5.3
championships Jordan 6 Kobe 5
JORDAN WINS I PROVED MY POINT THANK YOU
2Big2Strong2Fast2Gd 7 months ago
@xXXKingEpicXXx
Give em to me.
2pacinseattle 7 months ago
kobe does have his own shoe line!
chowoods 7 months ago
well the difference is 1 had a afro and 1 was bald... plus MJ played in a era wheree the NBA had watered down talent and Kobe played in a era where almost every team has unreal athletic ability... so yea
GotPurp90 7 months ago
@GotPurp90
"Kobe played in a era where almost every team has unreal athletic ability..."
Piss poor logic
MJ was more athletic than Kobe by a wide margin, your 2011 NBA Championship team consisted of unathletic white guys including the 38 year old Jason Kidd, the 32 year old Dirk, and the 5'10 Barea
Very athletic right?
Other than Dwight,I don't seem to recall seeing centers today with the athletic ability of a Prime Shaq, Alonzo, Hakeem, Patrick Ewing, David Robinson, Kemp
Hawkhunter07 7 months ago 8
@Hawkhunter07 Kobe also plays in a era with no hand checking and next to no contact and tick tack fouls the 1994,95 year was the darkest year in the nba the day hand checking got eliminated from the game is the day basketball defence died.The game has be catered towards perimeter players and as a result alot of these players numbers have been exaggerated Kobe included I would say in a handchecking era Kobe would be good for 17 a game could you imagine Joe Dumars on Kobe Joe would kill him
nash3timemvp 7 months ago
@nash3timemvp sorry but changes you were referring were made in 1997.
manakoebunz 6 months ago
@manakoebunz According to the nba offical rules changes dite handchecking was stop 94,95 season
nash3timemvp 6 months ago
@nash3timemvp oh yea, my bad. :)
manakoebunz 6 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 Kemp played power forward though...good reply....
micdevious 7 months ago
@micdevious
Thanks for the correction, I was thinking of big men in general while I was typing that =p
Hawkhunter07 7 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 Naww , You Got this All Wrong , Kobe Defended By Allen , Pierce , Hill , Used to By Artest , And Who Was Jordan Guarded By ? Starks !?! Wtf Is That ? How You Goin Compare them Against Him And The Shitty Players that Huarded Jordan ? Kobe And Jordan On the Same Level But If I had To Choose 1v1 Kobe Vs jordan , Kobe Anyday .
TheDxpimp 6 months ago
@TheDxpimp
You obviously don't know anything about Jordan or Kobe, Allen...I don't know which Allen you're refering to but Tony Allen is a joke of a defender he is only a 1x all defensive second team LOL, and the other can be Ray Allen...lol i don't even have to explain that
I laughed when you listed Hill because Jordan played against a pre-injury prime Grant Hill who was much more athletic than he is now and abused him dropping 50+ points on him and his team
Try again?
Hawkhunter07 6 months ago
@TheDxpimp
You forget a 40 year old MJ played against both Pierce and Artest during his wizards days and put up decent numbers against them, a 40 year old MJ put up 32 points against Paul pierce on 46% shooting while Pierce put up 14 points on 37.5% shooting, a prime MJ would murder them, did I mention Artest said Prime MJ would drop 50 points on him?
/watch?v=4CDcRwDufXY Jordan vs Pierce
Hawkhunter07 6 months ago
@TheDxpimp
LOL @ Starks
Did you forget Dennis Rodman 2x DPOY all defense 1st team 7 times, Gary payton DPOY All Defensive 1st team 9 times, Anthony Mason who was also all defensive 2nd team once but was much bigger/stronger than Tony Allen, and other guys like Michael Cooper DPOY, and Sidney Moncrief DPOY?
Son when you listed Grant Hill and Tony Allen, I knew u didn't know shit and I checked your profile as I expected you were a 20 year old dumbass who didn't even watch Prime Jordan
GTFO
Hawkhunter07 6 months ago 2
@TheDxpimp
/watch?v=G-gvzAUkyaU
Jordan drops 53 points against Prime Grant Hill and the Pistons
Did I just murder your whole argument son? Why the fuck would you even list Grant Hill anyways you stupid piece of shit? The guy is 38 years old and had multiple injuries playing against Kobe, do you even watch basketball?
Just listen to me kid, watch a game of basketball in the 90s it can be pretty entertaining or else you're just embarassing yourself
Hawkhunter07 6 months ago
kobe outscored the whole mavericks team in three quarters one time scoring 62 points and them 61, butim not ignorant mj was and always will be better. from a laker fan..
gomezkenneth92 6 months ago
@gomezkenneth92
Don't you notice how most lakers fans always bring up single game performances? Single game performances are less significant than long term success like career average and career playoff average or a series average
Tell me how many 50+ point games Kobe has in the playoffs and what his finals ppg and FG% is, tell me how great he is when it really matters compared to MJ
Hawkhunter07 6 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 you're the one with no logic faggot. You're using an example from this year, when kobe was clearly NOT in his prime. Anybody who knows anything about basketball knows that. In fact, kobe has played against all the centers you named and dominated them, im actually pretty sure he's dunked on half the centers you named LOL and he won 3 championships with shaq when he was ACTUALLY in his prime. Kobe is the GOAT. better scorer, shooter, and passer than mj. So please GTFO!
PWNED!!!
balla4life215 6 months ago
@balla4life215
Kobe was only 32 years old, MJ was still the best and winning at the age of 33-35 even though he was not in his prime (don't give me the mileage argument) so what is your point kid?
How exactly is Kobe a better scorer with 25+ and 45% with only 2 scoring titles? How come Kobe only has 2 50+ games in the playoffs where it matters? How is Kobe a better passer with less APG and when MJ had 10 triple doubles in 13 games that year when he played point guard?
Hawkhunter07 6 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 The point is statistics lie, and you're abusing the shit out of some facts you probably found on wikipedia, and no actual basketball knowledge. Kobe came out of high school, so there are 3 years where kobe was still developing and riding the bench that are counted in his career stats, which obviously lowers them greatly. And even tho kobe is only 32 he's had many more playing yrs at this point than mj cuz of the 3 extra yrs out of high school AND mj's 2 year hiatus.
balla4life215 6 months ago
@balla4life215
Your point is contradicting, you say Kobe has many more playing years because he came in the NBA at a younger age, however he RODE the bench, that's why I say you can't use the mileage argument because he was riding the bench his 1st few years! How can you count them as full playing years? Let's not forget MJ was a KEY starter in his N Carolina years, therefore it's fair to compare them YEAR BY YEAR, and Kobe at age 32 is SHIT compared to MJ at age 32, FACT.
Hawkhunter07 6 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 My point actually isn't contradicting, but you're an idiot so i'll explain again. My point was that kobe's STATS are gonna be worse because the first few years he hardly played. It's pretty hard to average 30+ coming off the fucking bench you idiot, so yeah his career stats are obviously going to be lower. And I can't believe you just tried to compare mj's college years as being equally draining as playing in the fucking NBA! Even with low minutes there is NO comparison, c'mon kid.
balla4life215 6 months ago
@balla4life215
haha what a moron, listen up kid, even if you take away Kobe's first few years, that would mean you would have to take away MJ's last few years with the wizards and MJ's numbers would still be better. I don't know if you bothered checking or not, but Kobe's played 15.5 minutes per game in his 1st year, and 26 minutes per game in his 2nd year, you seriously want to fucking say these LOW MINUTES ARE much MORE draining than playing like 40 minutes in college? They are at best equal
Hawkhunter07 6 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 Actually you idiot it doesn’t make sense to say that mj’s years with the wizards are at all equivalent to kobes first years with the lakers. MJ was already a respected veteran and got WAY more minutes than kobe to put up stats. He was an actual starter!!! Do you remember that? Or had you not started watching basketball yet LOL
balla4life215 6 months ago
@Hawkhunter07
Again with this college basketball bullshit? I have to pwn you again im sorry. Do you think the only time pros play is during games? Sure kobe didn’t play as many minutes but he’s got practice day in and day out where his 18 yr old boy body is throwing elbows with grown 25+ yr grown men. And even if kobe’s minutes were lower, if you consider how many more games he was playing, almost 3x as many, even THAT evens out. I just can’t believe I had to tell you this…smh
balla4life215 6 months ago
not to mention comparing stats is ridiculously unfair because michael jordan DID play in a watered down league where there were no gaurds who could play any kind of perimeter defense, besides gary payton. Kobe played against much more athletic players AT HIS POSITION and still dominated. Of course in this tougher league he's not going to have as many assists!!! but anybody who watched them can tell kobe is a much better passer. IN HIS PRIME KOBE WOULD DOMINATE MJ. Do you get the point now kid?
balla4life215 6 months ago
@balla4life215
"but anybody who watched them can tell kobe is a much better passer. IN HIS PRIME KOBE WOULD DOMINATE MJ. Do you get the point now kid?"
You can't get a point across by just simply saying it without any fact to prove it, tell me who are these credible people that say Kobe is a better passer, I know everyone that has watched them both said MJ was a better passer, do you get the point now kid? (Using your logic) The only thing I give Kobe is he was a better playmaker at age 21
Hawkhunter07 6 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 hahaha mark jackson and Rick Barry are just some of the basketball ANALYSTS to specifically say kobe is a better passer. Sorry i thought this was common knowledge, but i forgot i was talking to an idiot. Go watch some tapes/get educated and then you'll be able to see my point clearly. And you didn't argue against my point kobe was much better at mj than shooting did you??? lol face it kobe is the goat
balla4life215 6 months ago
@balla4life215
Actually it's not common knowledge that Kobe's a better passer, Kobe's assist/TO ratio is 1.75, and Jordan's is 1.96, Kobe never had a season where his assist/TO ratio was above 2, whereas Jordan has done this for 6 seasons
Jordan averaged 10.4 assists over 25 games when he was moved to PG, having an AMAZING 2.9 Assists/1 TO ratio, Kobe, when placed in a similar do-it-all role by Rudy T in 2005 for 30 games, averaged 6.7 assists but 4.6 TO, half of Jordan's ratio
Hawkhunter07 6 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 hahahahahahaha congrats jordan played a stretch of 25 games with more assists then a stretch of 25 games you chose played by kobe......LOL i'm not even gonna justify this shit with an argument.
balla4life215 6 months ago
Jordan averaged 8apg or more in 4-5 playoff series, Kobe has NEVER DONE that once, and you want to talk about impressive assists Jordan averaged 11.4 APG in the 91 finals against Magic Johnson! Jordan's career playoff average in 1993 was 6.7 apg
Hawkhunter07 6 months ago
@balla4life215
Haha you're a fucking moron for bringing up opinions, do you not even know that it doesn't favor you at all?
You can't just cherry pick opinions to work it into your favor, so if you believe in Mark Jackson, somehow you don't believe in MUCH greater players like Magic Johnson, Isiah Thomas, Reggie Miller, Lebron, Chris Webber, T-Mac and a whole bunch of other players that say MJ is better than Kobe?
You think Mark Jackson is more credible than these other guys? Are you a moron
Hawkhunter07 6 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 OH MY GOD YOU ARE RETARDED. The point of bringing up mark Jackson, shaq, etc. was that it was random as fuck!!! I was showing you that anyone can go find some random analyst/former player that agrees with them. The point is these players you keep referencing are irrelevant, because I could do the same. But obviously you were far too slow to catch the point I was making. Unlike you, I’m NOT making an argument by using players opinions, you fucking hypocrite.
balla4life215 6 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 And for your information, which you obviously need a lot of, great player does not equal well informed. Oscar Robertson, Wilt chamberlin, etc. all think jordan's era was weak and they would have dominated more than him. Should we just believe them cuz they were great players??? Fuck no!!! All players have bias and can be wrong, no matter how good they were. And you....you're just always wrong LOL
balla4life215 6 months ago
@balla4life215
I JUST MURDERED YOUR ARGUMENT SON! You gotta try harder this argument is clearly favoring me, you have used no statistics to back up your claim, and instead opt for your own subjective opinion and the opinions of a scrub like Mark Jackson while ignoring legends like Magic Johnson and Scottie Pippen, Drexler etc
You say the league is watered down yet I have tons of great players saying otherwise
CAN you at least argue better? This is too easy for me now
Hawkhunter07 6 months ago
@balla4life215
I have a tough time believing Kobe dominated the way MJ did, Kobe rarely had seasons where he dominated from an individual standpoint AND a team standpoint, I dare you to try and name me some of these seasons but it'll just pale in comparison to MJ's numerous seasons.
"Of course in this tougher league he's not going to have as many assists!!! "
^ LOL SORRY I LAUGHED OUT LOUD, this type of reasoning from Kobetards is too much to handle loll
Hawkhunter07 6 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 I don't even know what you mean by "individual AND a team," are you calling kobe a ballhog?? because mj shot the ball just as much, ESPECIALLY in his early years where he shot almost half his team shots...47% or something like that LOL and plaing in a tougher league will lowers stats doesn't make sense??.....that's what i thought bitch, GTFO
balla4life215 6 months ago
@balla4life215
A tougher league is your own subjective opinion, since you like to bring opinions I can use opinions of credible players and coaches that make you sound like a fool. Clyde Drexler, Penny Hardaway, Scottie Pippen and a bunch of other stars/hall of famers have repeatedly stated their ppg would've gone up if they played in today's era due to no handchecking and lack of physicality.
Hawkhunter07 6 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 Of course those fucking players said they would average more in today’s game, EVERYONE SAYS THAT about the next era. Oscar Robertson thinks he could have averaged 50 when Jordan played, wilt thinks he could have averaged 100. This means NOTHING. Everybody thinks the game is easier when they’re watching from the sidelines instead of playing. I have srsly never debated someone with as low an IQ as you…wow
balla4life215 6 months ago
@balla4life215
You don't know what I mean by individual and team success at the same time? Are you a fucking idiot do you play basketball?
I mean there's rarely a season where Kobe has had team success meaning he won a ring, and had the individual success that MJ did. Most of the time when Kobe was on fire, like 05-06, he never came close to winning a ring, when he won a ring like he did in 10, he put up atrocious numbers like 40FG%, he only had both in a few seasons
Get educated please
Hawkhunter07 6 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 I didn’t know what you meant because it didn’t make any fucking sense. You didn’t say team success, you said kobe dominating from a team standpoint, which is idiotic and in no way means what you just explained. Going off what you just said, earlier you should have said kobe dominates as an individual and LAKERS dominate from a team standpoint. But of course you didn’t because you’re an idiot and need to go to school. Excuse me for not understanding your moronic language
balla4life215 6 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 Addressing your individual and team success argument; when kobe was in his prime, his supporting cast was kwame brown and smush parker…..i need not say more. While MJ had top 50 greatest of all time Scottie pippen backing him up throughout his career. There’s your explanation for the discrepancy faggot, now stfu please
balla4life215 6 months ago
@balla4life215
THE ALMIGHTY athletic monsters of 38 year old Jason Kidd, and the 33 year old Jason Terry and the 5'10 white Barea!!! LOL Your reasoning makes me laugh, so why couldn't Kobe dominate them and instead played like shit in the elimination game against Mavs?
If I recall correctly, Kobe played like shit against the likes of Tony Allen, Rondo, Ray Allen in the 2010 Finals from an individual standpoint, and those guys aren't even ATHLETIC nor very defensive minded LOL
You fail
Hawkhunter07 6 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 The fact that you are repeating arguments i have already handled shows how much i am winning this. I'll state again: Kobe is NOT in his prime right now, mj played about 5 less years of pro ball then kobe at this point, which DOES mean everything. Celtics not defensive minded?? ok its official you don't know what you are talking about haha the celtics have been one of the best defensive teams for yrs, and kobe still got 28+ Pts, 8 Rbd, 4 Asst, and 2+ stls....sounds terrible LOL
balla4life215 6 months ago
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@balla4life215
"kobe still got 28+ Pts, 8 Rbd, 4 Asst, and 2+ stls....sounds terrible LOL "
Oh wait, you left out the 40 FG%, the lowest any finals MVP has got in NBA history, sounds pretty terrible to me LOL!
What a fucking fool! you think I didn't notice that shit hahaha fucking dumbass too easy try again you're embarassing yourself
Hawkhunter07 6 months ago
@balla4life215
My reference to the centers was about how today's center lack the ability of the guys I named, not how Kobe fared against them, so learn to read please?
MJ averaged 33+ in playoff career, had 10 scoring titles, shot 30+ and 49.7% throughout his career, if Kobe is a better scorer how come he lacks great games in the playoffs compared to MJ and only has 2 50point games?
Kobe doesn't become a better scorer ,passer just because YOU SAY SO, the facts say otherwise
PWNED?
Hawkhunter07 6 months ago
@balla4life215
You might want to justify how a 38 year old Kidd or Barea or Jason Terry or Dirk has unreal athleticism since you responded to my post with so much enthusiasm ;)
Go ahead, I'll wait
Hawkhunter07 6 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 LOL athleticism isn't just being able to jump high or ran fast you fucking idiot. Dirk is a 7 footer with great footwork and range past the three point line, NO player in mj's era had those kind of abilities. But regardless that's not the point, and i don't know why the fuck you brought it up. It has nothing to do with the fact that prime kobe is better than prime michael.
balla4life215 6 months ago
@balla4life215
You're a fucking idiot, a huge part of athleticism is how fast you run, how high you jump, how strong you are, being able to shoot past the three point line HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH athleticism, are you fucking stupid? LOL Great footwork and having great range makes you a great player but it is NOT ATHLETICISM, why don't you learn what the definition is before coming back you dumbass? LOL
Hawkhunter07 6 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 hahaha wow you are a fucking retard, well i do love winning so i'll keep going. I never said those things weren't a part of athleticism, i said they weren't the ONLY part. Learn to read faggot. A 7 footer with dirks kind of footwork takes EXTRAORDINARY athleticism. But i suppose you would actually have to know basketball in order to know this so i'll let it slide LOL btw i still don't know why you keep bringing this up, it is in no way related to the point i am making. Keep up kid.
balla4life215 6 months ago
@balla4life215
LOL you dumbfuck, you don't even know what athleticism is this is too sad and too easy for me.
"I never said those things weren't a part of athleticism, i said they weren't the ONLY part. "
FOOTWORK IS NOT extraordinary athleticism, extraordinary athleticism are physical abilities that others do not possess UNLESS they have the same physical traits.
Hawkhunter07 6 months ago
@balla4life215
Continued (Athleticism)
For example, Jordan's peak had a 48 inch vertical, another player cannot suddenly jump 48 inches high even if you allowed them to jump all they want in an open gym, it cannot be REPLICATED unless you have the same physical traits to do so.
However, everyone has the potential to replicate footwork, you do not need ATHLETICISM to do it, you need skills and practice to pull it off in a game, NOT ATHLETICISM
YOU ARE A MORON, TOO EASY
Hawkhunter07 6 months ago
@balla4life215
If prime Kobe is better than MJ, tell me why he doesn't have 10 scoring titles, 5 mvp, 6 finals mvp ,3 steal titles, 1 DPOY, 1 ROTY, 30+ and 49.7%, 33+ in playoff career?
Tell me why his game doesn't raise in the playoff (where it matters) like MJ did? It's laughable he only has 2 50 point games in the playoffs LOL
Hawkhunter07 6 months ago
@Hawkhunter07 haha i really don't know why you even posted this when you know the fucking answer. Srsly are you slow?? I've responded to this a million times. Kobe doesn't have those because this league is WAY tougher than the watered down version in mj's era. And srsly rookie of the yr? I can tell you're really reaching for every little award you can, which i could totally do if i wanted but it's pointless lol come back with some actual basketball arguments pls
balla4life215 6 months ago
@balla4life215
If the league is way tougher, tell me why all I've ever heard is how MJ would have dominated even more if he played in today's game
Do not be quoting Mark Jackson when you are ignoring the likes of Magic Johnson, Reggie Miller, Clyde Drexler, Scottie Pippen, Phil Jackson, Doc Rivers, and a whole bunch of other credible players
If you're going to use opinions, you gotta accept what a shitload of more accomplished and credible players are saying
YOU LOSE AGAIN, TOO EASY MORON
Hawkhunter07 6 months ago
@balla4life215
If Prime Kobe is better, tell me why Doc Rivers said Prime MJ would average 42+ and 50% against the 2010 Celtics? Why Phil Jackson said MJ would average 45 pts in today's era and MJ should be taken out of the equation because it is unfair to compare anyone to him? Why Kobe's teammates all say MJ is better than Kobe: Glen Rice, Gary Payton, Ron Harper, Robert Horry
Hawkhunter07 6 months ago