i am the first one to agree that a lot of what is happening is way over the top and NEEDS to be stopped .BUT why not just tell them you are an AMERICAN and be on your way .anything more from them after that would make my guard go up . if they did not let me be on my way regardless of what they say, you are in fact being detained .if they tell you ,you are not being detained then just drive off and challenge the results of that in a court room .IN A COURT ROOM , that's becoming a joke to .
just answer the fucking question and be on your way .if i was the patrol officer and you did that to me i would slap you onto secondary then arrest your ass for obstruction .now you are detained
Immigration is a major issue in this country. Illegal immigration is an avenue for drugs, weapons, terrorism and human trafficking.
Yes these stops are a "gray" area of the law, but they are not violating the law. They have authority over federal roads and can set up checkpoints if they want. A traffic stop is different. They cannot pull you over to ask you these questions, but they can set up a check point. This is obviously an area close to the boarder of potential immigration activity.
@bpm9595 The point of these videos is to alert people of the brain washing and mind control processes being administered by the govt. Illegal stop & check points are being questioned because people should be allowed to travel freely without having to "show your papers" as they had to in Nazi Germany. It is against the LAW to stop, detain, and ask ANY question of anyone without justifiable cause; and these travelers are defending that freedom. Hopefully this answers at least part of your question
@ohannahdad If the govt is relentless in it's effort to make people submit to illegal detainment at check points, they KNOW that in time the process will be accepted, unless people unite against it.As Americans, this is new to us. we have never been in a position where we thought it necessary to question authority about such matters. These checkpoints for the most part are unconstitutional, and the IO(s) will "back off" if properly challanged, or suffer a law suit if they persist.
Still a foul-mouthed authoritarian punk I see Blahblobify.
I would've been happy to leave that poor armed federal agents alone if she had just left me alone. You see, she was the one who seized me under threat of force along a public highway no where near an international border absent any reason to believe I'd done anything wrong, not the other way around. If she doesn't like individuals peacefully exercising their rights when being seized, she should do her job patrolling the border instead.
Yep - you're still a foul-mouthed little punk who obviously doesn't even know what the definition of a 'coward' is Blahblobify. You should try an education sometime. You'd be amazed at the difference it makes.
Regarding the 'threat of force', that's normally what's present when a gov't agent carrying a loaded gun seizes someone along a public highway. You'd thing an arrogant authoritarian punk like you would understand such a basic thing.
Stupid white people, no wonder you're losing your country. The reason the BP has checkpoints north of the border is the same reason people with common sense have a fence on the property line and a lock on their front door. It's called layered protection. I can't wait till jose from mexico city impregnates your little susie and gives America another brown person. Say bye bye to your race!
Buddy, I'm guessing you just love to stand up and speak out for freedom. That's a good thing. It's better to stand up and speak out to everyone than to sit on the couch, overeating and watching too much TV, trying to ignore the world out there.
It's better to be involved, don't you think? Citizen involvement is what makes Democracy hum like a sports car, ready to race.
I'm glad you agree that being involved means questioning gov't agents when they've seized you absent suspicion along highways solely within the United States and absent reasonable suspicion eastariel.
You've missed the primary point yet again eastariel. Homeland Security is NOT simply asking questions. Homeland Security is SEIZING people under threat of force & detaining them in an attempt to compel them to answer their questions & in some cases to allow searches. They're also illegally expanding the scope of what they are allowed to look for & illegally extending detentions absent consent or probable cause.
You weren't under the impression that this was a voluntary interaction were you?
Don't take my word for it eastariel. Take the Supreme Court's:
"It is agreed that checkpoint stops are 'seizures' within the meaning of the 4th Amendment."
"...We have held that checkpoint searches are constitutional only if justified by consent or probable cause to search....& our holding today is limited to the type of stops described in this opinion. -'[A]ny further detention...must be based on consent or probable cause.'"
So now you're saying that a stop is the same as a seizure? I didn't see those two gentle agents grabbing you anywhere. Is there something you're not telling us? Did they pat you down?
Not only am I saying it eastariel, the U.S. Supreme Court is saying it.
Anytime an individual is stopped at a checkpoint, that individual is being seized by the gov't within the meaning of the 4th amendment because that individual is no longer free to go about their business. This means you are being detained so they can investigate you until they wave you through.
Just so we're clear, there is absolutely no question within judicial/legal circles that a seizure has taken place here.
Okay, checkers, I'll king your checker for getting all the way across the board on semantics.
Honestly, buddy, I watch this video and I just can't see what you're fussing and fuming about. Maybe that's because I've been watching youtube videos about world hunger, war, and other heartbreaking problems in this world. Compared to those problems, this issue sounds kind of whiny.
Here's a clue for you eastariel. I'm not your buddy.
If you don't find this issue compelling then don't watch these videos & stop wasting everyone's time with your whiny comments about how you don't find the issue compelling.
Unlike the agents depicted in these videos, I'm not forcing you to do anything. You're more then welcome to spend all you time under the mistaken belief that gov't is the solution as opposed to the bulk of the problem.
BTW, you're not very good at playing checkers eastariel. You should at least understand the concepts being used in the game before playing. After all your failure to understand what constitutes a seizure is not mere semantics. It demonstrates a fundamental failing on your part to understand basic individual rights. Of which without there can be no social justice.
Okay, so maybe I am clueless ... but I just don't get why you minded stopping and talking to this nice lady?
She's just doing her job.
The world is a wild and woolly wilderness. Our government helps to protect us from predators out there. That's what we pay them to do, and they do it magnificently. I hope you appreciate the incredible safety that our nation enjoys. I think our government does a great job protecting us all -- not perfect of course, but great.
I think you're naive eastariel. We're not safe because of the gov't, we're safe in spite of it.
With regards to minding "stopping & talking to this nice lady", you're sexism is coming through. That nice lady was sporting a loaded gun with the full force of the Dept. of Homeland Security behind her. I didn't choose to stop, I had other business to take care of. She seized me absent consent & without reasonable suspicion & then presumed to have the authority to compel answers to her questions.
Have you ever seen security guards in department stores, spying on you? They're not standing there because of you. They're standing there because of the few people who've tried to rob the store blind.
Homeland Security exists to protect us all from the few who have abused their freedom. In our free country, Homeland Security is necessary and a blessing to us all.
You really are kind of clueless aren't you eastariel. A Department store is private property & it can enact whatever security measures it wants as long as it doesn't violate the law. In a similar vane, if I don't like their security measures, I can take my business elsewhere & the Dept. store will lose the benefit of my patronage. Further, Dept. store guards aren't/can't seize customers absent probable cause & demand they answer questions as a condition of going about their lawful business.
I wasn't crossing the border eastariel. This is an internal checkpoint setup along an East-West highway that never intersects the border at any point. If I was at the border, it would be a different story. Futher, it doesn't matter how nicely she asked the question while seizing me under threat of force. My questions to her were just as 'nice' by the way with the difference being I didn't have a gun hanging on my hip.
The fact that you either can't tell or don't care about the difference between what a Dept. store security guard does & what these agents are doing says much about you eastariel. If the guards were doing what these agents are, they'd be sitting in a jail cell & the Dept. stores would be put out of business by the lawsuits. Try getting a clue before continuing to make a fool of yourself with your comments.
GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATES BORDER PATROL!!!! KEEP IT UP!!! The USBP should be able to DETAIN these idiots and actually show them what the word DETAIN means.......GET A LIFE.
Thanks for outing yourself as nothing more than a violent authoritarian punk egupton. It helps us to understand why punks like you shouldn't be empowered to stop, seize, detain, interrogate & search people absent suspicion inside the country.
oooh, i have a right to be a dumbass and act stupid and put it on youtube. All you people can do is mess with these people and they are doing their job....you are holding up people behind you that might have places to go bc you are dumb...am i being detained?.....retard. THE OFFICERS DIDNT MAKE THE RULES THEY ENFORCE THEM, IF YOU DONT LIKE IT TALK TO A POLITICIAN NOT AN OFFICER OF THE LAW.
I think you're confused (or just a dumbass) egupton, The agent in this video messed with me by seizing me absent suspicion along a public highway, not the other way around. By seizing me in the lane of traffic, she was the one holding up the people behind me. I would have been driving the speed limit if it wasn't for her. If you don't like being held up at checkpoints by individuals exercising their rights, I suggest you talk to a politician, not the person defending your rights.
do not give consent he didnt have probable cause or he wouldnt have asked if he could search . i would have gotten out and locked the door behind me without all the verbiage . challenging a ignorant bully nazi will only make it worse . get out lock the door, state your name only and state i do not consent to a search and " i evoke my right to remain silent" , that all you need to know people . go to freedom law school online free info..,,,
unconstitutional. period. No need to comply and when forced or layed hands upon, as an american citizen you have an indisputable right to defend yourself. No probable casue, no suspicion, no evidence of a crime. These scumbags are simple parasites, draining our tax money and collecting checks while trying to infringe on the freedoms of their EMPLOYERS. they picked the WRONG side.
Not pointless at all littledudemark5. Just ask the Department of Homeland Security. On the other hand, what the Border Patrol is doing is quite pointless if their goal is to interdict illegal border crossers given that the border is no where near the location of this checkpoint.
@Pafoofnik1 I understand these check points are pointless if you already just went threw customs but i seems easier just to say yes im an american citizen then drive off but if they were stopping you and ripping apart your car with an unlawful search then yes it would be something to make a fuss about.
So if I set up check points dressed in this garb I'd probably get away with scanning lots of your credit card numbers and cell phones that might be on in your cars. Old news really! And all the employees will not question it as long as they get paid. Kind of like the government and how it was taken over, no one questions.
You think that just because you know that you are an American citizen and that you are not doing anything illegal everybody else in the world should know as well.
You think that just because they have guns and badges they have the right to treat whoever they want like criminals and compel people to prove their innocence instead of the government proving their guilt goodr14?
I have proposed a solution & am actively carrying it out goodr14. Individuals should learn what their rights are and exercise those rights while being seized, interrogated & possibly searched by Border Patrol agents operating at suspicionless checkpoints inside the country no where near the border they're paid to patrol. You can find additional examples of how to do this in the videos on my youtube channel.
Of course it is goodr14. The government is legally obligated to work within the boundaries of Constitutional limitations and individual rights. If it can't do so then it has no business doing whatever it's doing.
BTW, if you want to keep illegal drugs and aliens from crossing the border, I suggest you petition the government to force the Border Patrol to patrol it instead of harassing domestic traffic inside the country absent suspicion.
Never said it was 100% efficient but it is about 15 times more efficient than internal checkpoints according to federal gov't numbers goodr14. Besides, the Bill of Rights & Constitutional constraints on gov't operations isn't dependent on the level of efficiency of a particular gov't policy put into practice.
@goodr14 yeah, thats right....exactly. I don't know if you are not doing something illegal right now. I think we need to investigate you. You might be building a bomb in your garage. How do I know you are not building a bomb. Please give me your address, the more I think about it the more I want to investigate what it is you might be doing. I think you do sound a little bit suspicious. Hey, are you building a bomb in your garage?
this guy is a fucking idiot fuck answer his questions and stop asking if ur being detained u fuckn idot i dnt live in us because of fuckheads like u australia is so much better than this fucking idiot i feel sorry for the poor guard having to deal with dicks like this all day.
Do you honestly expect him to think, "Well, he's white and he speaks English, so he can't be harboring illegal aliens or drugs and he certainly can't be a felon evading arrest or extradition, so I won't even ask him if he's an American citizen,"?
Your comment has been marked as spam there, flute1234 so I cannot respond to it... Not that I particularly cared to in the first place. You're still talking about everything but your original incorrect statement.
2. How many lives have those check points saved from arresting illegal people or dope dealers.
You cant have everyhitng like you think you deserve. You deserve to be free and safe but you cant have both becuase people are messed up. It has nothign to do with not being well versed. It has to do with reality. Try to step into it.
How do you propose they stop illegal immigration then? Surely you are against it. Should they use their spidey sense.? The constitution was written hundred of years ago in a different society. As much as we would like to be 100% free we cannot be because of the way humanity has gone.
See people like this are stupid. "am i beign detained? No, Then im free to go" Great technicals you are using there how ever. If you read the law at the beginning it says reasonable suspicion. The moment that guy left without asnwer the officers questions he can now be detained. The end. You can jsut say yes im american bye bye. Or you can put a fight and get nothign acccomplished. These are the same people who complain abotu illegal immigrants to
@josacape I just read the law as it is stated at the beginning of the video. It is not rocket science. If a police officer stopped you and you refused to answer questions that is suspicious especially soemthign as simple as "are you American?" If you cant answer it then you should be detained. Like i said you cant have it both ways right now. You cant have 100% freedom and rights and be 100% safe and protected. Period.
I repeat, it's a field manual. Consent or Probable Cause are needed at these type of checkpoints for further detention. Exercising Rights cannot be use as suspicion of wrongdoing. People are not required to answer questions at these types of CPs, and it has nothing to do with the difficulty of the question... when people have the legal action of staying silent or refusing to answer questions by stating it at these types of checkpoints.
@flute1234 said: "you refused to answer questions that is suspicious ". Nope. Refusing to answer questions here is perfectly legal so cannot be the basis for reasonable suspicion. (Ramet v. State 125 Nev. Adv. Op. No. 19 June 4, 2009)
Then said: "If you cant answer it then you should be detained." While you may think so, the law disagrees. And it's the law that must be followed here, not flute1234's wishes.
@Pafoofnik1 So every illegal immigrant who crawl under or climbs over that border fence and are then questioned by BP and they refuse to answer any question must be released in America? Every murderer who refusers to asnwer quesstions must be released? Nonsense. Most of Americans want asnwers to 9/11 but the govt REFUSES to asnwer them. Sucks doesnt it? If you want to lose you keep thinking this way. Like i said the consitution was written in 1776 not 2011. Times have changed.
The U.S.A Constitution wasn't written in 1776, silly. Also, your comment is full of nonsense and dwells into the realm of absurdity.
These types of checkpoints are not at the border and so they are under different sets of rules. Actual legal border crossings and illegal fall under different procedures than these inland far removed from the border checkpoints.
@josacape Sry im not American so forgive me for not knowing the actual date that your constitutiion was written. It wasnt 1776 it was 1787 a huge time gap in society and we can now, thanks to you, compare 1787 to 2011. And no my comment isnt absurd compared to present day humanity. If anything thinking that morality and crime hasnt changed in over 200 years is absurd. Is the crime rate going up or down per capita in the U.S? Sums it up.
Yes, your comment is absurd... you just don't realize it. You do like to go off topic as Pafoofnik1 already pointed out. Your comment has nothing to do with the legal procedures of these types of checkpoints, but more on your emotional thinking on what they ought to be . BTW, the U.S Constitution does not grant Rights -- they existed before it.
@flute1234: I never said a thing about crossing the border. I never said a thing about murderers. Your comment is known as a Strawman argument; "tremendously exaggerating your opponent's position".
Yes, times have changed. That doesn't alter the fact that the Constitution is still in effect.
@Pafoofnik1 I dont care for phsycological terms as they mean nothing to me as no 2 humans are the same. Just a bunch of doctors who cause more problems then they fix. Anyways, if times have changed then laws must change. You cant have 100% freedom and 100% safety choose. If times have changed and people have change then why do you think we should be entitled to rights that were written hundreds of years ago by people in a different society?
@Pafoofnik1 The consitution needs changing to keep up with the increasing crime rates and the increasing advancements of organized crime. If yoru just changing laws so they fit into the consitution your just going in circles. I wonder how many lives they have ruined by doing check points. I also wonder how many problems they prevented from doing them. I think we all know the answer to those 2 questions.
@flute1234: The method for changing the Constitution is written right into the Constitution itself. There are 3 main methods for doing so. None of the methods involve ignoring any part of the Constitution itself.
Until changed, the Constitution, not flute1234, is the final authority in determining if a law is constitutional.
@Pafoofnik1 You both make me laugh. Big whiners of rights yet do nothign about it but comment on youtube about your rights being taken away. Your comments show typical American arrogance. If i recall I posted the first comment then you replied and you still turn it aroudn saying im not talking about anyhting youre saying. In fact its YOU who are not answering any legitamate questions I am asking. Still waiting for my anwsers to those questions. Which you conveniently overlook yet say i do that.
@Pafoofnik1 1. How many lives have those checkpoints ruined.
2. How many lives have those check points saved from arresting illegal people or dope dealers.
You cant have everyhitng like you think you deserve. You deserve to be free and safe but you cant have both becuase people are messed up. It has nothign to do with not being well versed. It has to do with reality. Try to step into it.
You're kidding, right? I think its obvious that I'm referring to the quote 8sec in (SPECIFICALLY). The video suggests CBP Agents are not following procedure when they clearly are. The author of this video has taken the training manual quote out of context and (of course) neglected to include what i have in my previous comment (below).
@veXati0n: Oh I see. Please cite the time stamp where reasonable suspicion that the driver was an alien and was illegally in the United States was obtained. Remember, there is not legal requirement to converse with the agent here. All I see is some guy trying to figure out why he's being seized.
I don't see anywhere in your non-binding cite that allows a continued detention if a person decides not to answer questions here.
This video isn't 100% accurate. I'm a grad student studying this topic and have also reviewed the manual:
"Border Patrol agents can make routine vehicle stops without any suspicion to inquire into citizenship and immigration status at a reasonably located permanent or temporary checkpoint provided the checkpoint is used for the purpose of determining citizenship of those who pass through it, and not for the general search [of] those persons or the vehicle."
There's nothing childish about exercising one's constitutional rights. The checkpoints use trailers and mobile homes, which mean they're not permanent, meaning the the border patrol has no legal authority to setup inland checkpoints.
Ego has nothing to do with it DetroitLove4U. But then again I can see how someone like yourself who thinks he isn't responding to me merely because you didn't hit the reply key would be easily confused.
If I'm obsessed then I wonder what that makes you since you've been going around to every checkpoint video you can find and making the same comments without any evidence to backup your specious claims.
That's your problem you let your ego get in the way of common sense. You make a big deal out of nothing. Do you think they're going to arrest you? Why do you complain - I suppose Mommy took many of your toys away from your egotistical behind. You keep asking me for these quotes and I'm telling you your obsession has extended onto videos that endorse the BP as Nazis??? So what aren't you getting. Why are you so defensive with me? I don't reply to you but you to I? Why are you harassing me? HAHAHA
On your own channel - you say "exposing the Police State" so what is a Police State? People are referring to the Nazi Party Regime. Gee I suppose I must spell it out for you. Your stance - in your own words to I - undermines your position from the start - which is quite vague. But keep monitoring this video forum - that makes me wonder why? As one can see I'm not replying to your comments by hitting the reply button to you. Seems like you're running a checkpoint on this forum WHY????? WHY ??????
What's the matter DetroitLove4U/ Having a hard time dealing with the fact that others are calling you on the carpet?
Sounds like you don't know what the definition of a police state is. Why don't you try looking it up. It also sounds like you got caught in your own lie. Where are those quotes I asked you for? Shouldn't be difficult for you to find if they exist.
Oh indeed indeed and if you noticed I'm not hitting the reply button, however, hence you're so concerned about what's being said behind your back. Ah yes a taste of your own insulting garbage ........ you can't handle a checkpoint, you can't answer a question, and your videos are certainly indemnifying some sense of liberal support by way of others to signify some Police State. Too concerned about your ego here. What are you calling these Officers? You're watching this like a hound dog.
Actually, I can handle checkpoints quite well as my videos attest to DetroitLove4U. I can also answer questions, simple or complex, but choose not to which of course is a large part of the point that you fail to grasp.
Further, I couldn't care less about my ego. What I care about is that foul-mouth authoritarians like you don't muddy the waters too much for those who actually want to understand what's going on at these checkpoints.
Where is there illegal search and seizure violations here moron? That's a check point and the probable cause and reasonable suspicion is augmented in propriety by way of the invasion of illegal immigrants in this country. I want them out, however, what do you want? You're so busy calling these Officers Nazis?? Gee I guess Sheriff Joe has a formidable adversary in you - no but you don't look like an illegal. You were stopped unlawfully why because your color of skin is not "reasonable" for such.
There you go again DetroitLove4U, telling lies in order to justify a false paradigm. Please quote where I've referred to DHS officers as NAZI's. Perhaps you've confused some of these videos with one's I've posted on my channel. Or perhaps you've confused some of my videos that have been re-posted by others on different channels such as this one. Regardless, the fact that you're incapable of checking your facts before posting ridiculous statements undermines your position from the start.
The Level of Ignorance contained in every single one of DetroitLove4U's comments is of such Magnitude, I would think he's incapable to understand anything you write to him.
Happy New Year to you as well. May your travels in the coming year keep you well outside the ever-lengthening reach of United States homeland security forces...
Ah yes and the charade parade of personal innuendos persists. Well now and I suppose our Teutonic rooted friends of the Nazi Party are in same line of those of whom search people at airports. I suppose you're there too??? The only buffoon throwing garbage around here is your profoundly confounding discombobulated behind. You're calling these trained American Homeland Security Officers Nazis and you're insisting I'm throwing around insults? We mustn't cheat the hangman.
@veXati0n The name calling is the people calling Homeland Security "Nazis" just look at the cadre of videos indicating such. And for the record I wasn't arguing. If I was I would reckon that I'd be "hitting" the reply button as I did in your case. Why would attack the very fabric of where a lot of my taxes go? I'm relying on these people to have the confidence to perform their jobs in the wake of violence that threatens their lives everyday. Yet we have arrogant asses thwart their efforts??
You are more than an insult to America. Go make a fool out of yourself you boorish idiot. Mere simple conjecture would lead one to believe that you're calling American Homeland Security "Nazis" so go march to the White House. Go ahead and see how many will follow you. You'll be ousted by a MASSIVE crowd OF PROUD AMERICANS. You're making rounds - not me dunce - another video round insulting our Homeland Security because you're egotistical mind has run it's whims to King Absurdity.
Nothing to be proud about in seizing, interrogating & searching people absent suspicion inside the country DetroitLove4U unless of course you're an authoritarian who hates the principles this country was founded on.
Sounds like you have a problem with strawmen as well. Why don't you keep your wild conjectures to yourself & deal with the facts. I'm betting you're not one who can deal with facts though - especially when you can throw around a bunch of boorish idiotic & absurd insults instead.
Go live in Mexico. If you want to infringe upon the rights of Americans to have Our Borders secured you need to get the hell out of this Country. What kind of a fool answers questions with questions. That's ignorance. You should educate yourself on that. I bet you do have an attitude problem. You have nothing better to do than make this pansy video to which elucidates what ..... your garrulous and uncooperative ways. You insult America. Go live in Mexico. You and YOUR RIGHTS vs. the U.S. - bah.
Making the rounds with the same asinine comments over & over again I see DetroitLove4U. Here's a news flash for you - the Border Patrol isn't securing the border by harassing & intimidating domestic traffic inside the country at suspicionless checkpoints no where near the border they're paid to patrol. They're leaving it wide open.
You insult America & the principles it was founded on with your ignorant assertions. Perhaps you should take your own advice & make Mexico your next permanent abode.
She was has been correct and profesional all the way, also seems that she didn't want to confront any tense situation, just doing her job, she was very calm, cool, and in a best profesional way. She took the decision for a visual check on the vehicle for any suspicious evidence in the proper matter, well done bye her. Hope that all agents were lke her.
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Talk about low self-esteem and a need to feel important! Thanks for posting that. And God bless these agents who have to patiently put up with retards like this in order to do their job.
@Pafoofnik1 Yes. That way the agents will treat the assholes civilly. A brief stop is absolutely legal. Someone simply cannot be detained beyond that if there is no just cause. All this stupid asshole had to do was to answer the simple question and he would have driven on. Children and adolescents sometimes disdain authority and have obstinate behavior patterns.
@Pafoofnik1 Even if you were correct, the driver did not assert what you think was his right. Instead of clearly and politely stating his case, as a confident, mature adult would, the driver exhibited childish anger without explanation, and behaved obstinately. I praise the agents for their patience with such angry, immature idiots. And, instead of directing his anger at the appropriate people - mangement - he bothered the troops, who are easier to manipulate. That is also cowardly.
@peraspira: I am correct. It is a right to refuse to converse with agents here.
I can't speak for CheckpointUSA, but when someone is violating my rights, I deal directly with that person. I have neither the desire, nor the requirement, to go looking for someone's boss.
The best praise would be for the agent that understands and follows the parameters he is required to follow at these types of checkpoints.
BTW, I did clearly & politely state my case peraspira. I didn't yell at the agent or insult her. Rather, I consistently requested clarification of my status. Her supervisor wasn't on hand, nor was I free to seek one out. Regardless, I had no need to speak to one because I already knew what my rights were. I was merely waiting for the agent's clarity to match my own.
Perhaps you should educate yourself regarding such matters before becoming what you accuse others of being.
Thanks for outing yourself as foul-mouthed authoritarian peraspira. It's always good to know who honors the principles this country was founded on & those who like to spit on individual rights.
While a brief seizure may be legal, so is one's exercise of their right to remain silent while being detained & interrogated during the brief stop. There are also plenty of videos available where, contrary to your assertion, agents continue to detain in the absence of "just" cause or consent.
@CheckpointUSA There may be plenty of videos villifying the agents, but the point is this is definitely not one of them. This is a video of someone exhibiting childish behavior. If he were truely detained, which he resolutely was not, then he could excercise his right to remain silent. This person was not detained. Insofar as your assertion of foul-mouthed, if "asshole" is offensive to you, then I'll keep it at childish, immature, and, most importantly, profoundly insecure.
I live in Sierra Vista and go through the checkpoint all the time. If you tell them you are a U.S. citizen they let you pass. It is that simple. My foreign friends bring their passports with them when traveling to Tuscon and there is no problem. The government has given the Border Patrol authority to conduct immigration and narcotic check points 100 miles inland from the border. We need a country with laws and people to enforce them.
@cryptofishy: It doesn't work like that everywhere though.
Last time I went through a temporary checkpoint, I said 'yes sir, I am', when asked if I was a U.S. Citizen... twice.
I was threatened with having the sheriff arrest me, then sent to secondary, detained without probable cause, and finally allowed to proceed after being threatened again, This time with having my employer called.
At least they didn't double-dog-dare me to got though there again.
Actually, only limited scope appropriately located permanent immigration checkpoints have been upheld by the Supreme Court cryptofishy. Narcotic checkpoints were ruled illegal by the Supreme Court in 2000 in a case known as City of Indianapolis V Edmond.
@mrclintanthony... do you think before you make a statement? I qoute "If the border patrol did't monitor all traffic coming INTO America" This is a checkpoint place on U.S. soil and at no border crossing. You waving your civil rights is your problem but judging someone who stands up for and exercises those rights is twice as ignorant.
What's with the fantasies of violence borderbob1000? Do you so despise individual rights that you actually wish for people who peacefully exercise them to have lethal force used against them. or are you content to just have their citizenship stripped & then have them dumped in Juarez, Mexico some place like the comment you left on one of my videos?
Aren't federal agents supposed to protect individual rights, not violate them?
All you fotta do is tell him your an American...but Ido sypathize..his accent is a little thick to be "aksking what county you are from" ??? Soon as you Answer my Esquestion youcan go main...who hire this fox to guard the hen house and hassle Americans... This war is gonna get ugle real quick...
You're quite the foul-mouthed authoritarian ksmittay1.
Why should he answer questions when he was going about his day just fine until armed aggressors seized him absent suspicion under threat of deadly force at a checkpoint inside the country no where near the border?
Why would you want someone to kill themselves for exercising their rights anyway? Do you have that much contempt for the rule of law & the principles this country was founded on?
As a Hispanic American who grew up on the border and has been through these checkpoints thousands of times and been detained in secondary and searched most of the time, I really appreciate what you are doing and will try the same things. And I am talking about interior checkpoints, not border checks. I have no problem with those.
i am the first one to agree that a lot of what is happening is way over the top and NEEDS to be stopped .BUT why not just tell them you are an AMERICAN and be on your way .anything more from them after that would make my guard go up . if they did not let me be on my way regardless of what they say, you are in fact being detained .if they tell you ,you are not being detained then just drive off and challenge the results of that in a court room .IN A COURT ROOM , that's becoming a joke to .
pearsc5d 2 weeks ago
just answer the fucking question and be on your way .if i was the patrol officer and you did that to me i would slap you onto secondary then arrest your ass for obstruction .now you are detained
pearsc5d 2 weeks ago
@pearsc5d: He wasn't obstructing according the federal law.
The only requirement a person has to do at this type of checkpoint,
is stop.
Pafoofnik1 2 weeks ago
She is hot..... lol
zoeftaga 1 month ago
Immigration is a major issue in this country. Illegal immigration is an avenue for drugs, weapons, terrorism and human trafficking.
Yes these stops are a "gray" area of the law, but they are not violating the law. They have authority over federal roads and can set up checkpoints if they want. A traffic stop is different. They cannot pull you over to ask you these questions, but they can set up a check point. This is obviously an area close to the boarder of potential immigration activity.
bpm9595 2 months ago
Democracy died when they killed Kennedy, and ... the world needs people like you!
SuperMaterialista 2 months ago
In all my travels around the Arizona border I have never met a female border [patrol agent, much less one that looks pretty good.
TheHossUSMC 3 months ago
So... What is the point of these videos exactly?
bpm9595 3 months ago
@bpm9595 The point of these videos is to alert people of the brain washing and mind control processes being administered by the govt. Illegal stop & check points are being questioned because people should be allowed to travel freely without having to "show your papers" as they had to in Nazi Germany. It is against the LAW to stop, detain, and ask ANY question of anyone without justifiable cause; and these travelers are defending that freedom. Hopefully this answers at least part of your question
ohannahdad 2 months ago
@ohannahdad If the govt is relentless in it's effort to make people submit to illegal detainment at check points, they KNOW that in time the process will be accepted, unless people unite against it.As Americans, this is new to us. we have never been in a position where we thought it necessary to question authority about such matters. These checkpoints for the most part are unconstitutional, and the IO(s) will "back off" if properly challanged, or suffer a law suit if they persist.
ohannahdad 2 months ago
lolol
besstrd 3 months ago
As soon as she said "No" (as in no you are not being detained I would have drove away
johnmaylivesv 4 months ago
I would totally fuck the female guard
johnmaylivesv 4 months ago
jesus christ what an asshole bully leave the poor lady alone you coward
Blahblobify 4 months ago
Still a foul-mouthed authoritarian punk I see Blahblobify.
I would've been happy to leave that poor armed federal agents alone if she had just left me alone. You see, she was the one who seized me under threat of force along a public highway no where near an international border absent any reason to believe I'd done anything wrong, not the other way around. If she doesn't like individuals peacefully exercising their rights when being seized, she should do her job patrolling the border instead.
CheckpointUSA 4 months ago
@CheckpointUSA
LOL you were under "threat of force" YOU were brow beating the poor girl you coward.
Asshole coward.
Blahblobify 4 months ago
Yep - you're still a foul-mouthed little punk who obviously doesn't even know what the definition of a 'coward' is Blahblobify. You should try an education sometime. You'd be amazed at the difference it makes.
Regarding the 'threat of force', that's normally what's present when a gov't agent carrying a loaded gun seizes someone along a public highway. You'd thing an arrogant authoritarian punk like you would understand such a basic thing.
CheckpointUSA 4 months ago
@Blahblobify bootlicker
genzigg386 3 months ago
@Blahblobify bootlicker you will be the first to go
genzigg386 3 months ago
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Stupid white people, no wonder you're losing your country. The reason the BP has checkpoints north of the border is the same reason people with common sense have a fence on the property line and a lock on their front door. It's called layered protection. I can't wait till jose from mexico city impregnates your little susie and gives America another brown person. Say bye bye to your race!
hotstang92 4 months ago
Buddy, I'm guessing you just love to stand up and speak out for freedom. That's a good thing. It's better to stand up and speak out to everyone than to sit on the couch, overeating and watching too much TV, trying to ignore the world out there.
It's better to be involved, don't you think? Citizen involvement is what makes Democracy hum like a sports car, ready to race.
eastariel 5 months ago
I'm glad you agree that being involved means questioning gov't agents when they've seized you absent suspicion along highways solely within the United States and absent reasonable suspicion eastariel.
CheckpointUSA 5 months ago
@CheckpointUSA
I agree that there's nothing wrong with asking questions.
In fact, isn't that what the Homeland Security is doing -- simply asking questions? The answer to that is in your video.
eastariel 5 months ago
You've missed the primary point yet again eastariel. Homeland Security is NOT simply asking questions. Homeland Security is SEIZING people under threat of force & detaining them in an attempt to compel them to answer their questions & in some cases to allow searches. They're also illegally expanding the scope of what they are allowed to look for & illegally extending detentions absent consent or probable cause.
You weren't under the impression that this was a voluntary interaction were you?
CheckpointUSA 5 months ago
@CheckpointUSA
If that's the truth, why don't you catch it on video?
Your video above shows the Homeland Security agent to be very peaceful, cooperative, and patient with you.
eastariel 5 months ago
Don't take my word for it eastariel. Take the Supreme Court's:
"It is agreed that checkpoint stops are 'seizures' within the meaning of the 4th Amendment."
"...We have held that checkpoint searches are constitutional only if justified by consent or probable cause to search....& our holding today is limited to the type of stops described in this opinion. -'[A]ny further detention...must be based on consent or probable cause.'"
- U.S. v Martinez-Fuerte
CheckpointUSA 5 months ago
@CheckpointUSA
I feel like we're playing checkers, checkers.
So now you're saying that a stop is the same as a seizure? I didn't see those two gentle agents grabbing you anywhere. Is there something you're not telling us? Did they pat you down?
eastariel 5 months ago
Not only am I saying it eastariel, the U.S. Supreme Court is saying it.
Anytime an individual is stopped at a checkpoint, that individual is being seized by the gov't within the meaning of the 4th amendment because that individual is no longer free to go about their business. This means you are being detained so they can investigate you until they wave you through.
Just so we're clear, there is absolutely no question within judicial/legal circles that a seizure has taken place here.
CheckpointUSA 5 months ago
@CheckpointUSA
Okay, checkers, I'll king your checker for getting all the way across the board on semantics.
Honestly, buddy, I watch this video and I just can't see what you're fussing and fuming about. Maybe that's because I've been watching youtube videos about world hunger, war, and other heartbreaking problems in this world. Compared to those problems, this issue sounds kind of whiny.
eastariel 5 months ago
Here's a clue for you eastariel. I'm not your buddy.
If you don't find this issue compelling then don't watch these videos & stop wasting everyone's time with your whiny comments about how you don't find the issue compelling.
Unlike the agents depicted in these videos, I'm not forcing you to do anything. You're more then welcome to spend all you time under the mistaken belief that gov't is the solution as opposed to the bulk of the problem.
CheckpointUSA 5 months ago
If you want a better understanding of what's going on here eastariel then watch my video's #9 & #14 with Agent's Villa, Cruz, Soto, Gill, & Gilmore.
CheckpointUSA 5 months ago
@CheckpointUSA
Thanks, but I'm a little weary of playing checkers right now. I'm going back to playing Peace Party.
You're invited to play Peace Party, if you wish. Thanks for the conversation.
eastariel 5 months ago
BTW, you're not very good at playing checkers eastariel. You should at least understand the concepts being used in the game before playing. After all your failure to understand what constitutes a seizure is not mere semantics. It demonstrates a fundamental failing on your part to understand basic individual rights. Of which without there can be no social justice.
CheckpointUSA 5 months ago
@eastariel so its ok to be violated as long as they (the gov) is peaceful and patient? hmmm. lol.moron.
ichy10462 4 months ago
@eastariel so its ok to be violated as long as they (the gov) is peaceful and patient? hmmm. lol.moron.
ichy10462 4 months ago
@eastariel so its ok to be violated as long as they (the gov) is peaceful and patient? hmmm. lol.moron.
ichy10462 4 months ago
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@eastariel so its ok to be violated as long as they (the gov) is peaceful and patient? hmmm. lol.moron.
ichy10462 4 months ago
Okay, so maybe I am clueless ... but I just don't get why you minded stopping and talking to this nice lady?
She's just doing her job.
The world is a wild and woolly wilderness. Our government helps to protect us from predators out there. That's what we pay them to do, and they do it magnificently. I hope you appreciate the incredible safety that our nation enjoys. I think our government does a great job protecting us all -- not perfect of course, but great.
eastariel 5 months ago
I think you're naive eastariel. We're not safe because of the gov't, we're safe in spite of it.
With regards to minding "stopping & talking to this nice lady", you're sexism is coming through. That nice lady was sporting a loaded gun with the full force of the Dept. of Homeland Security behind her. I didn't choose to stop, I had other business to take care of. She seized me absent consent & without reasonable suspicion & then presumed to have the authority to compel answers to her questions.
CheckpointUSA 5 months ago
Have you ever seen security guards in department stores, spying on you? They're not standing there because of you. They're standing there because of the few people who've tried to rob the store blind.
Homeland Security exists to protect us all from the few who have abused their freedom. In our free country, Homeland Security is necessary and a blessing to us all.
eastariel 5 months ago
You really are kind of clueless aren't you eastariel. A Department store is private property & it can enact whatever security measures it wants as long as it doesn't violate the law. In a similar vane, if I don't like their security measures, I can take my business elsewhere & the Dept. store will lose the benefit of my patronage. Further, Dept. store guards aren't/can't seize customers absent probable cause & demand they answer questions as a condition of going about their lawful business.
CheckpointUSA 5 months ago
@CheckpointUSA
I'm sure you don't mind Homeland Security protecting you and all of us from terrorism.
To do that, they have to ask people questions sometimes as they're crossing borders.
As I said before, that lady asked you nicely.
eastariel 5 months ago
I wasn't crossing the border eastariel. This is an internal checkpoint setup along an East-West highway that never intersects the border at any point. If I was at the border, it would be a different story. Futher, it doesn't matter how nicely she asked the question while seizing me under threat of force. My questions to her were just as 'nice' by the way with the difference being I didn't have a gun hanging on my hip.
CheckpointUSA 5 months ago
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The fact that you either can't tell or don't care about the difference between what a Dept. store security guard does & what these agents are doing says much about you eastariel. If the guards were doing what these agents are, they'd be sitting in a jail cell & the Dept. stores would be put out of business by the lawsuits. Try getting a clue before continuing to make a fool of yourself with your comments.
CheckpointUSA 5 months ago
GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATES BORDER PATROL!!!! KEEP IT UP!!! The USBP should be able to DETAIN these idiots and actually show them what the word DETAIN means.......GET A LIFE.
egupton 5 months ago
Thanks for outing yourself as nothing more than a violent authoritarian punk egupton. It helps us to understand why punks like you shouldn't be empowered to stop, seize, detain, interrogate & search people absent suspicion inside the country.
CheckpointUSA 5 months ago
oooh, i have a right to be a dumbass and act stupid and put it on youtube. All you people can do is mess with these people and they are doing their job....you are holding up people behind you that might have places to go bc you are dumb...am i being detained?.....retard. THE OFFICERS DIDNT MAKE THE RULES THEY ENFORCE THEM, IF YOU DONT LIKE IT TALK TO A POLITICIAN NOT AN OFFICER OF THE LAW.
egupton 5 months ago
@egupton said:"i have a right to be a dumbass and act stupid and put it on youtube."
Yea, I guess you do.
Pafoofnik1 5 months ago
@Pafoofnik1.....Idiot. I was talking about the person that made the video.
egupton 5 months ago
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@egupton: And I was talking about you.
Pafoofnik1 5 months ago
I think you're confused (or just a dumbass) egupton, The agent in this video messed with me by seizing me absent suspicion along a public highway, not the other way around. By seizing me in the lane of traffic, she was the one holding up the people behind me. I would have been driving the speed limit if it wasn't for her. If you don't like being held up at checkpoints by individuals exercising their rights, I suggest you talk to a politician, not the person defending your rights.
CheckpointUSA 5 months ago
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do not give consent he didnt have probable cause or he wouldnt have asked if he could search . i would have gotten out and locked the door behind me without all the verbiage . challenging a ignorant bully nazi will only make it worse . get out lock the door, state your name only and state i do not consent to a search and " i evoke my right to remain silent" , that all you need to know people . go to freedom law school online free info..,,,
AlienUFOEncounters 5 months ago
unconstitutional. period. No need to comply and when forced or layed hands upon, as an american citizen you have an indisputable right to defend yourself. No probable casue, no suspicion, no evidence of a crime. These scumbags are simple parasites, draining our tax money and collecting checks while trying to infringe on the freedoms of their EMPLOYERS. they picked the WRONG side.
liljgoneman 5 months ago
Not pointless at all littledudemark5. Just ask the Department of Homeland Security. On the other hand, what the Border Patrol is doing is quite pointless if their goal is to interdict illegal border crossers given that the border is no where near the location of this checkpoint.
CheckpointUSA 6 months ago
omg shut up, just tell them yes im an american citizen...have a good day sir you can drive on....is that so hard idiot!
Crazyman1212 6 months ago
@Crazyman1212: A person shouldn't have to give up his rights if he is following the law.
Pafoofnik1 6 months ago
@Pafoofnik1 I understand these check points are pointless if you already just went threw customs but i seems easier just to say yes im an american citizen then drive off but if they were stopping you and ripping apart your car with an unlawful search then yes it would be something to make a fuss about.
Crazyman1212 6 months ago
@Crazyman1212: Yes is seems easier to just say yes.
Doing so is still giving up your rights.
I guess it boils down to how much a person values his rights... or doesn't.
Pafoofnik1 6 months ago
So if I set up check points dressed in this garb I'd probably get away with scanning lots of your credit card numbers and cell phones that might be on in your cars. Old news really! And all the employees will not question it as long as they get paid. Kind of like the government and how it was taken over, no one questions.
Nueroactive 6 months ago
why do you keep driving thru there?
MrStaybrown 8 months ago
Because I work on the other side of the checkpoint MrStaybrown
CheckpointUSA 7 months ago
hahaha i dont know but is a waste of time fucking with them just give him ur id so he could check ur sorry ass
yun514 8 months ago
@yun514 I think we need to go to your house and investigate you....you sound a little bit suspicious
syborius 7 months ago
@syborius NOPROBLEMO .. :)
yun514 7 months ago
Strange how the male Immigration nazi had a Mexican accent!!
zacandmillie 9 months ago 4
@zacandmillie - You caught that, huh?
I believe they are training illegal aliens to harrass the Citizens!
ThePhnxman1 8 months ago
The chick at the beginning looked hot! I would have told her, Im smuggling something in my pants, you might need to pat me down!
saguviper 9 months ago 12
she looks high on meth
cvega123456 9 months ago
Did you get a lot of good pictures?
TilemanSD 9 months ago
Jess ann-sir da kwess-chun! Are joo a Joo-nited States city-senn?
EasingDifficulties 9 months ago
it is disgusting how many of you think what these border patrolsheep are doing is fine,
hollywoodjim45 9 months ago
You think that just because you know that you are an American citizen and that you are not doing anything illegal everybody else in the world should know as well.
goodr14 10 months ago
You think that just because they have guns and badges they have the right to treat whoever they want like criminals and compel people to prove their innocence instead of the government proving their guilt goodr14?
CheckpointUSA 10 months ago
@CheckpointUSA If you think there is a problem propose a solution that will be as good or better than the current policy then.
goodr14 9 months ago
I have proposed a solution & am actively carrying it out goodr14. Individuals should learn what their rights are and exercise those rights while being seized, interrogated & possibly searched by Border Patrol agents operating at suspicionless checkpoints inside the country no where near the border they're paid to patrol. You can find additional examples of how to do this in the videos on my youtube channel.
CheckpointUSA 9 months ago
@CheckpointUSA That does nothing for the drugs and illegal immigration we have so it is not an alternate solution.
goodr14 9 months ago
Of course it is goodr14. The government is legally obligated to work within the boundaries of Constitutional limitations and individual rights. If it can't do so then it has no business doing whatever it's doing.
BTW, if you want to keep illegal drugs and aliens from crossing the border, I suggest you petition the government to force the Border Patrol to patrol it instead of harassing domestic traffic inside the country absent suspicion.
CheckpointUSA 9 months ago
@CheckpointUSA I am glad that you think that just patrolling the border is 100% efficient however it is not and that is why we have checkpoints.
goodr14 9 months ago
Never said it was 100% efficient but it is about 15 times more efficient than internal checkpoints according to federal gov't numbers goodr14. Besides, the Bill of Rights & Constitutional constraints on gov't operations isn't dependent on the level of efficiency of a particular gov't policy put into practice.
CheckpointUSA 9 months ago
@CheckpointUSA Then obviously your solution will not improve the illegal drugs and problem.
goodr14 9 months ago
@goodr14 yeah, thats right....exactly. I don't know if you are not doing something illegal right now. I think we need to investigate you. You might be building a bomb in your garage. How do I know you are not building a bomb. Please give me your address, the more I think about it the more I want to investigate what it is you might be doing. I think you do sound a little bit suspicious. Hey, are you building a bomb in your garage?
syborius 7 months ago
The laws are different in the U.S. as compared to Australia there, p2cruiser. For example, we don't have to answer questions here.
We do agree one one thing though. I also feel sorry for the guard... for not knowing how to do her job.
Pafoofnik1 10 months ago
this guy is a fucking idiot fuck answer his questions and stop asking if ur being detained u fuckn idot i dnt live in us because of fuckheads like u australia is so much better than this fucking idiot i feel sorry for the poor guard having to deal with dicks like this all day.
p2cruiser 10 months ago
@p2cruiser i think youre missing the whole point man.
symodiezel 10 months ago
Do you honestly expect him to think, "Well, he's white and he speaks English, so he can't be harboring illegal aliens or drugs and he certainly can't be a felon evading arrest or extradition, so I won't even ask him if he's an American citizen,"?
rjcnattc 11 months ago
the only reason i am watching this again is too check out the chick at the start ,:)
spinlessbastard1 11 months ago
Your comment has been marked as spam there, flute1234 so I cannot respond to it... Not that I particularly cared to in the first place. You're still talking about everything but your original incorrect statement.
Pafoofnik1 11 months ago
1. How many lives have those checkpoints ruined.
2. How many lives have those check points saved from arresting illegal people or dope dealers.
You cant have everyhitng like you think you deserve. You deserve to be free and safe but you cant have both becuase people are messed up. It has nothign to do with not being well versed. It has to do with reality. Try to step into it.
flute1234 11 months ago
How do you propose they stop illegal immigration then? Surely you are against it. Should they use their spidey sense.? The constitution was written hundred of years ago in a different society. As much as we would like to be 100% free we cannot be because of the way humanity has gone.
flute1234 11 months ago
See people like this are stupid. "am i beign detained? No, Then im free to go" Great technicals you are using there how ever. If you read the law at the beginning it says reasonable suspicion. The moment that guy left without asnwer the officers questions he can now be detained. The end. You can jsut say yes im american bye bye. Or you can put a fight and get nothign acccomplished. These are the same people who complain abotu illegal immigrants to
flute1234 11 months ago
@flute1234
You might want to read the law yourself. If you noticed - it's a field manual. Also, none of what you state is cause for prolonging the detention.
josacape 11 months ago
@josacape I just read the law as it is stated at the beginning of the video. It is not rocket science. If a police officer stopped you and you refused to answer questions that is suspicious especially soemthign as simple as "are you American?" If you cant answer it then you should be detained. Like i said you cant have it both ways right now. You cant have 100% freedom and rights and be 100% safe and protected. Period.
flute1234 11 months ago
@flute1234
I repeat, it's a field manual. Consent or Probable Cause are needed at these type of checkpoints for further detention. Exercising Rights cannot be use as suspicion of wrongdoing. People are not required to answer questions at these types of CPs, and it has nothing to do with the difficulty of the question... when people have the legal action of staying silent or refusing to answer questions by stating it at these types of checkpoints.
josacape 11 months ago
@flute1234 said: "you refused to answer questions that is suspicious ". Nope. Refusing to answer questions here is perfectly legal so cannot be the basis for reasonable suspicion. (Ramet v. State 125 Nev. Adv. Op. No. 19 June 4, 2009)
Then said: "If you cant answer it then you should be detained." While you may think so, the law disagrees. And it's the law that must be followed here, not flute1234's wishes.
Pafoofnik1 11 months ago
@Pafoofnik1 So every illegal immigrant who crawl under or climbs over that border fence and are then questioned by BP and they refuse to answer any question must be released in America? Every murderer who refusers to asnwer quesstions must be released? Nonsense. Most of Americans want asnwers to 9/11 but the govt REFUSES to asnwer them. Sucks doesnt it? If you want to lose you keep thinking this way. Like i said the consitution was written in 1776 not 2011. Times have changed.
flute1234 11 months ago
@flute1234
The U.S.A Constitution wasn't written in 1776, silly. Also, your comment is full of nonsense and dwells into the realm of absurdity.
These types of checkpoints are not at the border and so they are under different sets of rules. Actual legal border crossings and illegal fall under different procedures than these inland far removed from the border checkpoints.
josacape 11 months ago
@josacape Sry im not American so forgive me for not knowing the actual date that your constitutiion was written. It wasnt 1776 it was 1787 a huge time gap in society and we can now, thanks to you, compare 1787 to 2011. And no my comment isnt absurd compared to present day humanity. If anything thinking that morality and crime hasnt changed in over 200 years is absurd. Is the crime rate going up or down per capita in the U.S? Sums it up.
flute1234 11 months ago
@flute1234
Yes, your comment is absurd... you just don't realize it. You do like to go off topic as Pafoofnik1 already pointed out. Your comment has nothing to do with the legal procedures of these types of checkpoints, but more on your emotional thinking on what they ought to be . BTW, the U.S Constitution does not grant Rights -- they existed before it.
josacape 11 months ago
@flute1234: I never said a thing about crossing the border. I never said a thing about murderers. Your comment is known as a Strawman argument; "tremendously exaggerating your opponent's position".
Yes, times have changed. That doesn't alter the fact that the Constitution is still in effect.
Pafoofnik1 11 months ago
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flute1234 11 months ago
@Pafoofnik1 I dont care for phsycological terms as they mean nothing to me as no 2 humans are the same. Just a bunch of doctors who cause more problems then they fix. Anyways, if times have changed then laws must change. You cant have 100% freedom and 100% safety choose. If times have changed and people have change then why do you think we should be entitled to rights that were written hundreds of years ago by people in a different society?
flute1234 11 months ago
@flute1234: "if times have changed then laws must change". The do, as long as they fit into the Constitution, or the Constitution itself is changed.
It may help to remind you that everyone in the U.S. is bound to the law, not flute1234's wishes, or mine for that matter..
Pafoofnik1 11 months ago
@Pafoofnik1 The consitution needs changing to keep up with the increasing crime rates and the increasing advancements of organized crime. If yoru just changing laws so they fit into the consitution your just going in circles. I wonder how many lives they have ruined by doing check points. I also wonder how many problems they prevented from doing them. I think we all know the answer to those 2 questions.
flute1234 11 months ago
@flute1234: The method for changing the Constitution is written right into the Constitution itself. There are 3 main methods for doing so. None of the methods involve ignoring any part of the Constitution itself.
Until changed, the Constitution, not flute1234, is the final authority in determining if a law is constitutional.
Pafoofnik1 11 months ago
@Pafoofnik1
It appears the Rule of Law is foreign to the citizen(flute1234) from Canada.
josacape 11 months ago
@josacape: It's no problem. Not everyone is well versed on how the U.S. government is set up.
It's frustrating trying to keep him on the original subject though. You should see how far he has tried to stray on watch?v=SD3F6gS7dvI&lc
Pafoofnik1 11 months ago
@Pafoofnik1
LOL.
josacape 11 months ago
@Pafoofnik1 You both make me laugh. Big whiners of rights yet do nothign about it but comment on youtube about your rights being taken away. Your comments show typical American arrogance. If i recall I posted the first comment then you replied and you still turn it aroudn saying im not talking about anyhting youre saying. In fact its YOU who are not answering any legitamate questions I am asking. Still waiting for my anwsers to those questions. Which you conveniently overlook yet say i do that.
flute1234 11 months ago
@flute1234 said: "Your comments show typical American arrogance."
OK. So now you want to insult 308 million people.
The rest of your comment doesn't really make much sense to me.
You said: ""you refused to answer questions that is suspicious ". I replied with a cite that disagrees.
then you said: "If you cant answer it then you should be detained." I replied with a cite that disagrees.
Then you took off all over the place.
Pafoofnik1 11 months ago
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@Pafoofnik1 1. How many lives have those checkpoints ruined.
2. How many lives have those check points saved from arresting illegal people or dope dealers.
You cant have everyhitng like you think you deserve. You deserve to be free and safe but you cant have both becuase people are messed up. It has nothign to do with not being well versed. It has to do with reality. Try to step into it.
flute1234 11 months ago
can you ansher my queshon sir, I am from mehico and this is my country now.
shawnstam 1 year ago
You're kidding, right? I think its obvious that I'm referring to the quote 8sec in (SPECIFICALLY). The video suggests CBP Agents are not following procedure when they clearly are. The author of this video has taken the training manual quote out of context and (of course) neglected to include what i have in my previous comment (below).
veXati0n 1 year ago
@veXati0n: Oh I see. Please cite the time stamp where reasonable suspicion that the driver was an alien and was illegally in the United States was obtained. Remember, there is not legal requirement to converse with the agent here. All I see is some guy trying to figure out why he's being seized.
I don't see anywhere in your non-binding cite that allows a continued detention if a person decides not to answer questions here.
Pafoofnik1 1 year ago
This video isn't 100% accurate. I'm a grad student studying this topic and have also reviewed the manual:
"Border Patrol agents can make routine vehicle stops without any suspicion to inquire into citizenship and immigration status at a reasonably located permanent or temporary checkpoint provided the checkpoint is used for the purpose of determining citizenship of those who pass through it, and not for the general search [of] those persons or the vehicle."
Inspector's Field Manual (2007)
veXati0n 1 year ago
@veXati0n: Where is this video inaccurate? Be specific.
Pafoofnik1 1 year ago
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veXati0n 1 year ago
There's nothing childish about exercising one's constitutional rights. The checkpoints use trailers and mobile homes, which mean they're not permanent, meaning the the border patrol has no legal authority to setup inland checkpoints.
studolf 1 year ago
Butt head
TilemanSD 1 year ago
Ego has nothing to do with it DetroitLove4U. But then again I can see how someone like yourself who thinks he isn't responding to me merely because you didn't hit the reply key would be easily confused.
If I'm obsessed then I wonder what that makes you since you've been going around to every checkpoint video you can find and making the same comments without any evidence to backup your specious claims.
CheckpointUSA 1 year ago
They came first abridging my freedom of speech and my right to peaceably assemble and travel freely,
and I didn't speak up because I didn't care.
Then they came for my guns and pocket knife,
and I didn't speak up because I didn't care.
Then they came after my protection from unreasonable search and seizures of my person and property,
and I didnt speak up because I didnt care.
Then they came for me for twittering the word freedom.
and by that time no one was left to speak up.
dedes016 1 year ago
That's your problem you let your ego get in the way of common sense. You make a big deal out of nothing. Do you think they're going to arrest you? Why do you complain - I suppose Mommy took many of your toys away from your egotistical behind. You keep asking me for these quotes and I'm telling you your obsession has extended onto videos that endorse the BP as Nazis??? So what aren't you getting. Why are you so defensive with me? I don't reply to you but you to I? Why are you harassing me? HAHAHA
DetroitLove4U 1 year ago
On your own channel - you say "exposing the Police State" so what is a Police State? People are referring to the Nazi Party Regime. Gee I suppose I must spell it out for you. Your stance - in your own words to I - undermines your position from the start - which is quite vague. But keep monitoring this video forum - that makes me wonder why? As one can see I'm not replying to your comments by hitting the reply button to you. Seems like you're running a checkpoint on this forum WHY????? WHY ??????
DetroitLove4U 1 year ago
What's the matter DetroitLove4U/ Having a hard time dealing with the fact that others are calling you on the carpet?
Sounds like you don't know what the definition of a police state is. Why don't you try looking it up. It also sounds like you got caught in your own lie. Where are those quotes I asked you for? Shouldn't be difficult for you to find if they exist.
CheckpointUSA 1 year ago
Oh indeed indeed and if you noticed I'm not hitting the reply button, however, hence you're so concerned about what's being said behind your back. Ah yes a taste of your own insulting garbage ........ you can't handle a checkpoint, you can't answer a question, and your videos are certainly indemnifying some sense of liberal support by way of others to signify some Police State. Too concerned about your ego here. What are you calling these Officers? You're watching this like a hound dog.
DetroitLove4U 1 year ago
Actually, I can handle checkpoints quite well as my videos attest to DetroitLove4U. I can also answer questions, simple or complex, but choose not to which of course is a large part of the point that you fail to grasp.
Further, I couldn't care less about my ego. What I care about is that foul-mouth authoritarians like you don't muddy the waters too much for those who actually want to understand what's going on at these checkpoints.
CheckpointUSA 1 year ago
Where is there illegal search and seizure violations here moron? That's a check point and the probable cause and reasonable suspicion is augmented in propriety by way of the invasion of illegal immigrants in this country. I want them out, however, what do you want? You're so busy calling these Officers Nazis?? Gee I guess Sheriff Joe has a formidable adversary in you - no but you don't look like an illegal. You were stopped unlawfully why because your color of skin is not "reasonable" for such.
DetroitLove4U 1 year ago
There you go again DetroitLove4U, telling lies in order to justify a false paradigm. Please quote where I've referred to DHS officers as NAZI's. Perhaps you've confused some of these videos with one's I've posted on my channel. Or perhaps you've confused some of my videos that have been re-posted by others on different channels such as this one. Regardless, the fact that you're incapable of checking your facts before posting ridiculous statements undermines your position from the start.
CheckpointUSA 1 year ago
@CheckpointUSA
The Level of Ignorance contained in every single one of DetroitLove4U's comments is of such Magnitude, I would think he's incapable to understand anything you write to him.
BTW, happy new year.
josacape 1 year ago
I would tend to agree josacape.
Happy New Year to you as well. May your travels in the coming year keep you well outside the ever-lengthening reach of United States homeland security forces...
CheckpointUSA 1 year ago
@CheckpointUSA DetroitLove4U would make a perfect DHS officer......wouldn't surprise me if he already had that title.
dedes016 1 year ago
Ah yes and the charade parade of personal innuendos persists. Well now and I suppose our Teutonic rooted friends of the Nazi Party are in same line of those of whom search people at airports. I suppose you're there too??? The only buffoon throwing garbage around here is your profoundly confounding discombobulated behind. You're calling these trained American Homeland Security Officers Nazis and you're insisting I'm throwing around insults? We mustn't cheat the hangman.
DetroitLove4U 1 year ago
Making it up as you go along I see DetroitLove4U. Why don't you quote me where I've referred to Homeland Security officers as NAZI's.
CheckpointUSA 1 year ago
@DetroitLove4U I wish I read this post before I began my argument. I take it that name-calling is used in lieu of intelligible debate?
veXati0n 1 year ago
@veXati0n The name calling is the people calling Homeland Security "Nazis" just look at the cadre of videos indicating such. And for the record I wasn't arguing. If I was I would reckon that I'd be "hitting" the reply button as I did in your case. Why would attack the very fabric of where a lot of my taxes go? I'm relying on these people to have the confidence to perform their jobs in the wake of violence that threatens their lives everyday. Yet we have arrogant asses thwart their efforts??
DetroitLove4U 1 year ago
You are more than an insult to America. Go make a fool out of yourself you boorish idiot. Mere simple conjecture would lead one to believe that you're calling American Homeland Security "Nazis" so go march to the White House. Go ahead and see how many will follow you. You'll be ousted by a MASSIVE crowd OF PROUD AMERICANS. You're making rounds - not me dunce - another video round insulting our Homeland Security because you're egotistical mind has run it's whims to King Absurdity.
DetroitLove4U 1 year ago
Nothing to be proud about in seizing, interrogating & searching people absent suspicion inside the country DetroitLove4U unless of course you're an authoritarian who hates the principles this country was founded on.
Sounds like you have a problem with strawmen as well. Why don't you keep your wild conjectures to yourself & deal with the facts. I'm betting you're not one who can deal with facts though - especially when you can throw around a bunch of boorish idiotic & absurd insults instead.
CheckpointUSA 1 year ago
Go live in Mexico. If you want to infringe upon the rights of Americans to have Our Borders secured you need to get the hell out of this Country. What kind of a fool answers questions with questions. That's ignorance. You should educate yourself on that. I bet you do have an attitude problem. You have nothing better to do than make this pansy video to which elucidates what ..... your garrulous and uncooperative ways. You insult America. Go live in Mexico. You and YOUR RIGHTS vs. the U.S. - bah.
DetroitLove4U 1 year ago
Making the rounds with the same asinine comments over & over again I see DetroitLove4U. Here's a news flash for you - the Border Patrol isn't securing the border by harassing & intimidating domestic traffic inside the country at suspicionless checkpoints no where near the border they're paid to patrol. They're leaving it wide open.
You insult America & the principles it was founded on with your ignorant assertions. Perhaps you should take your own advice & make Mexico your next permanent abode.
CheckpointUSA 1 year ago
She was has been correct and profesional all the way, also seems that she didn't want to confront any tense situation, just doing her job, she was very calm, cool, and in a best profesional way. She took the decision for a visual check on the vehicle for any suspicious evidence in the proper matter, well done bye her. Hope that all agents were lke her.
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MsMihailescu 1 year ago
Talk about low self-esteem and a need to feel important! Thanks for posting that. And God bless these agents who have to patiently put up with retards like this in order to do their job.
peraspira 1 year ago
@peraspira: God bless the founders of the laws that keep these agents from violating rights.
Pafoofnik1 1 year ago
@Pafoofnik1 Yes. That way the agents will treat the assholes civilly. A brief stop is absolutely legal. Someone simply cannot be detained beyond that if there is no just cause. All this stupid asshole had to do was to answer the simple question and he would have driven on. Children and adolescents sometimes disdain authority and have obstinate behavior patterns.
peraspira 1 year ago
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@peraspira said _All this stupid asshole had to do was to answer the simple question and he would have driven on. _
There is no requirement to answer questions here.
Absent probable cause, all this agent had to do was allow the driver to continue once indicated that he would not be answering questions here.
Pafoofnik1 1 year ago
@Pafoofnik1 Even if you were correct, the driver did not assert what you think was his right. Instead of clearly and politely stating his case, as a confident, mature adult would, the driver exhibited childish anger without explanation, and behaved obstinately. I praise the agents for their patience with such angry, immature idiots. And, instead of directing his anger at the appropriate people - mangement - he bothered the troops, who are easier to manipulate. That is also cowardly.
peraspira 1 year ago
@peraspira: I am correct. It is a right to refuse to converse with agents here.
I can't speak for CheckpointUSA, but when someone is violating my rights, I deal directly with that person. I have neither the desire, nor the requirement, to go looking for someone's boss.
The best praise would be for the agent that understands and follows the parameters he is required to follow at these types of checkpoints.
Pafoofnik1 1 year ago
BTW, I did clearly & politely state my case peraspira. I didn't yell at the agent or insult her. Rather, I consistently requested clarification of my status. Her supervisor wasn't on hand, nor was I free to seek one out. Regardless, I had no need to speak to one because I already knew what my rights were. I was merely waiting for the agent's clarity to match my own.
Perhaps you should educate yourself regarding such matters before becoming what you accuse others of being.
CheckpointUSA 1 year ago
Thanks for outing yourself as foul-mouthed authoritarian peraspira. It's always good to know who honors the principles this country was founded on & those who like to spit on individual rights.
While a brief seizure may be legal, so is one's exercise of their right to remain silent while being detained & interrogated during the brief stop. There are also plenty of videos available where, contrary to your assertion, agents continue to detain in the absence of "just" cause or consent.
CheckpointUSA 1 year ago
@CheckpointUSA There may be plenty of videos villifying the agents, but the point is this is definitely not one of them. This is a video of someone exhibiting childish behavior. If he were truely detained, which he resolutely was not, then he could excercise his right to remain silent. This person was not detained. Insofar as your assertion of foul-mouthed, if "asshole" is offensive to you, then I'll keep it at childish, immature, and, most importantly, profoundly insecure.
peraspira 1 year ago
Then it looks like you missed the point again peraspira.
1st, SCOTUS has already ruled these checkpoint stops are 4th amendment seizures:
"It is agreed that checkpoint stops are 'seizures' within the meaning of the 4th Amendment." - U.S. v Martinez-Fuerte
2nd: It doesn't matter if it is or isn't since individuals always have a right to decline to answer such questions away from the border.
The childish behavour you allude to is the agent's for attempting to escalate the situation.
CheckpointUSA 1 year ago
I live in Sierra Vista and go through the checkpoint all the time. If you tell them you are a U.S. citizen they let you pass. It is that simple. My foreign friends bring their passports with them when traveling to Tuscon and there is no problem. The government has given the Border Patrol authority to conduct immigration and narcotic check points 100 miles inland from the border. We need a country with laws and people to enforce them.
cryptofishy 1 year ago
@cryptofishy: It doesn't work like that everywhere though.
Last time I went through a temporary checkpoint, I said 'yes sir, I am', when asked if I was a U.S. Citizen... twice.
I was threatened with having the sheriff arrest me, then sent to secondary, detained without probable cause, and finally allowed to proceed after being threatened again, This time with having my employer called.
At least they didn't double-dog-dare me to got though there again.
Pafoofnik1 1 year ago
Actually, only limited scope appropriately located permanent immigration checkpoints have been upheld by the Supreme Court cryptofishy. Narcotic checkpoints were ruled illegal by the Supreme Court in 2000 in a case known as City of Indianapolis V Edmond.
CheckpointUSA 1 year ago
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mrclintanthony 1 year ago
@mrclintanthony: This isn't at a border.
Pafoofnik1 1 year ago
@mrclintanthony... do you think before you make a statement? I qoute "If the border patrol did't monitor all traffic coming INTO America" This is a checkpoint place on U.S. soil and at no border crossing. You waving your civil rights is your problem but judging someone who stands up for and exercises those rights is twice as ignorant.
kazacomy 1 year ago
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mrclintanthony 9 months ago
SHE NEEDS TO BLOW ME:)
spinlessbastard1 1 year ago
another pointless vid
jesusfreak023 1 year ago
I thought she was pretty cute actually.
fought the urge to shoot you pretty good didn't she?
borderbob1000 1 year ago
What's with the fantasies of violence borderbob1000? Do you so despise individual rights that you actually wish for people who peacefully exercise them to have lethal force used against them. or are you content to just have their citizenship stripped & then have them dumped in Juarez, Mexico some place like the comment you left on one of my videos?
Aren't federal agents supposed to protect individual rights, not violate them?
CheckpointUSA 1 year ago
I was waiting for you to peel out and go.What ended up happening? It's obvious your an American by your speech.
USAdude30 1 year ago
All you fotta do is tell him your an American...but Ido sypathize..his accent is a little thick to be "aksking what county you are from" ??? Soon as you Answer my Esquestion youcan go main...who hire this fox to guard the hen house and hassle Americans... This war is gonna get ugle real quick...
Charles195th 1 year ago
At least you got something nice to look at for the first few minutes.
Werewolf Women of the SS!
Woof!
She can put me in handcuffs, beat me, throw me in her back seat, and prostitute me to the fullest extent of the law ANY day.
Karaokephile 1 year ago
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no he deosnt NEED to answer your question you stupid bitch!
A5456Nt2 1 year ago
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Why should we give up our constitutional rights ksmittay1? just because you want us to?
Pafoofnik1 1 year ago
Stop being a fucking moron and answer his question and go about your day. Go kill yourself.
ksmittay1 1 year ago
You're quite the foul-mouthed authoritarian ksmittay1.
Why should he answer questions when he was going about his day just fine until armed aggressors seized him absent suspicion under threat of deadly force at a checkpoint inside the country no where near the border?
Why would you want someone to kill themselves for exercising their rights anyway? Do you have that much contempt for the rule of law & the principles this country was founded on?
CheckpointUSA 1 year ago
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peraspira 1 year ago
As a Hispanic American who grew up on the border and has been through these checkpoints thousands of times and been detained in secondary and searched most of the time, I really appreciate what you are doing and will try the same things. And I am talking about interior checkpoints, not border checks. I have no problem with those.
txcwbytrue 1 year ago
Rather than showing how you think this is not fair, why don't you suggest some better ways to handle immigration.