- Gasoline, everyone knows about the problems with it
- Li-..-battery production needs expensive resources and pollutes the environment, they have limited lifetime, recycling also pollutes.
- Hydrogen is way to expensive at the moment, the production is already much more effective than air compression, but creating the whole new infrastructure to distribute it is "a little bit" expensive and time consuming. So this could be an alternative in far future
- Compressed Air is very easy to store, although it is not yet ready for mass production we should still give it a chance to launch within the next 10 or 20 years, personally I would prefer it compared to all the other stuff people are talking about. I think using hydrogen (my second option) still involves a lot of risks
what is the efficiency of the motor that runs on air? If you take one KWH of elecricity, use it to compress air, then use this air motor to turn a generator to turn it back into electricity, how much would you get back? how does this compare to storage of electricity in batteries? I do not know, that is why I ask. thanks
@bobo888bobo The weakest link is the compression of air. Very bad efficiency: Just about 5 percent with normally used compressors. So even with a very efficient engine, the overall efficiency is very far away from even bad battery systems (more than 50 percent).
Amazing that this scam had gone on for so long. Will be in the market next year etc etc since 1999. In 2010 they announced this Air Pos will be in the market in 2011. This is 2012 so where is it? Ha ha you have been scammed.
Too late. Ku Rin, an air powered vehicle is created in Japan and it already rolled out in public. So all the investors better go see Ku Rin and compare with the money invested in MDI. Try asking for your money back.
@701983 At least Ku Rin allowed the public to know about the range and lack of potential to be a ful fledge car. While MDI says,' ..gimme gimme more money...and I promise to put car by next year.' Now investors of MDI should ask for their money back.
Okay, I guessed right. I´m not sure, if Ku:rin really is an eye-opener. MDI may say: Ku:rin has got just a very small air tank, not like our vehicles.
Anyway, "money back" will not happen. I am sure, very good lawyers are working for MDI. Or else Guy Negre would be in jail or the company would not still exist at least.
Probably, he will still promise his vehicles for sale "the next year" in the year 2020.
There will always be enough naive people with to much money.
Lets get real. Everyone including you are aware that it does not take much energy to make compressed air. This is awesome technology. Just like the water powered car. One solar panel on your home can provide enough juice to compress air. 124 miles per refill ??? No wonder oil companies are closing. Wonderfull
Nissan Leaf, official EPA fuel economy - 34 kWh used per 100 miles
Average 13,000 miles per year = 4,420 kWh used per year.
Using standard solar industry calculations to offset 4,420 kWh = about 12 - 230 watt panels
The AIRpod that KLM is testing, has a onboard compressor that plugs into electrical socket and takes 5 hours to recharge, and has a range of 90 miles.
? how many kWh used in five hours to recharge the AIRpod.
the AIRpod This fourwheeler runs 120 to 150 kms at 45 or (faster version) 70 km/h, is very manoeuvrable and spins around its own axe. KLM has ordered and is testing two. AirFrance, Lyonnaise des Eaux, port of Nice and VU Log of Antibes will follow. The projected price is around € 7000, filling up the 260 liter tank at 248 bar takes 2 minutes at a cost of 1 euro per 100 km at a filling station, or 5 hours at an electrical socket. On the market in 2012. Certified for the whole of Europe.
Number of solar panels needed to offset the energy it takes to run a typical eledtric car for one year. (Grid tied system)
Average electric car .33 kwh per mile. Average American drives 13,000 miles a year = 4,290-kwh = 12 - 230 watt solar panels. These panels last for 25 years
Number of solar panels it would take to offset the energy needed to run the air car ???
I am tired of people saying the only way to run these clean cars is with fossil fuels.
@1b300sd Roughly 5 times what an electric vehicle needs that as they are so energy inefficient. Basic numbers 6kw compressor running for 6 hours to give you a 7 km range. Whee? The number of panels you calculated is too low. Yyou have confused peak out put with daily average
@LeighSanders3 No. You calculate the energy value contained in the compressed air vs the energy valve contained in a gallon of liquid fuel. This provides the comparison. The Berkley Study did just that and the air car, even if you accepted the impossible claims of MDI, is an energy hog.
how did you compress that air?... I used a compressor from my house... how did you run that compressor? I plugged it into the a power outlet... where did that energy come from? that energy came from a power plant ran by coal or natural gas... thus you are still indirectly running your car on fossil fuels but you are doing it in an extremely inefficient manner because every different medium that you use to convert that energy has losses associated with it so you my friend are the real polluter.
@cjv90 there is analysis that includes the energy and pollution footprint of different power scemes for automobiles. with internal combustion engines the analysis includes the energy required to extract the petroleum, transport it to a refinery, process it and produce gasoline, transport it to the fueling stations...so you can see a lot of losses to be included with traditional internal combustion engines as well.
@cjv90 I'm seriously tired of this shitty argument, so I'm going to shoot it down in flames AGAIN. Gasoline pollutes BOTH at extraction/refining, AND consumption. Not to mention that gasoline requires, guess what, big ass trucks to take it to a gas station. Electricity usually pollutes at production, but DOES NOT pollute at consumption, AND it has the FLEXIBILITY to come from non-polluting sources. Electric motors are also extremely efficient. THERE. Now you have NO excuse to spewing that shit.
@jeffsandychelsea what about the pollution of the lion/lipo batteries. and cost. i love the idea, but still its rather limited. would eb nice ifsolar cells were small enough to power a vehicle.
I dont like the design its to unstable,that front wheel is crap,what about air bags,seat belts,i like electric cars,you need to go back to the drawing board!
@Athehra I worked for GM when the EV1 was being produced. It wasn't that brilliant. One thing that made it fail was needless government interference. Same thing that will stop the little air car from being used in USA, unfortunately. Our lying, hypocritical government will never let a good idea like this happen here.
This SCAM has been going on for years, the only results to-date being some videoclips showing the "car" slowly circling around for some seconds in a parking lot.
Basic math (that is, add&multiply) is more than enough to demonstrate that the given tech-specs and the reported air-tank capacity give you an autonomy of a few minutes (at best).
Good grief, get that front single wheel on the back as fast as you can. It will stabilize the car on cornering and not present the rollover hazard it presently is.
@ 701983 Modern cars use supercapacitors and LION/LIPO batteries, only idiots like you use lead acid batteries that weigh 60 pounds a pop. The reason air cars were abandoned in the 20's was they didnt have titanium airblades and carbon fiber. And between polluting at both places were energy is created and consumed, at least its 50% better to pick the least of 2 evils which is pollute only at the energy plant and not at the city as well. So get your banana and back to your tree!
so does this run on air like the title suggests, or is it in fact electric? why say it runs on air if it doesn't? there are air-compressor engines, technically those run on air. they seem to be immensely noisy though, so would be not healthy nor green at all then sadly.
@ 701983 YOU ARE AN IGNORANT IDIOT. You are the classic example of some government-nwo-wannabe academic schmuck that hasnt invented jack shit yet bashes other peoples efforts and investments while you havent contributed ZERO to human evolution. Grow a brain, get your ass back to school and learn some basic physics before you pollute the net with your crap just as you do with your stupid ass V8 SUV. Modern cars use supercapacitors and LION/LIPO batteries, only idiots like you use lead acid batte
EVEN electric cars with cheap lead batteries would achieve a better range than air cars. Modern electric cars are much better anyway.
And regarding basic physics: I primarily counted on one fact: You need lots of compressed air to store a litte amount of energy. That´s basic physics. You might achieve efficiencies of almost 100 percent, but even then you would need about 800 lbs compressed air for just 1 hour with 10 PS. Confute this!
@thefakeyeti I don´t like to go too far from the topic. I just wanted to make clear, why these air cars can´t achieve the promised performance and therefore are a fraud.
Cold weather is a weak point for batteries, right. One solution could be the "zebra"-battery. Electric cars from norway ("Think") are using them.
But cold weather is a problem for aircars too: Expanding air gets cold and needs heat from the environment. Else the efficiency drops.
It seems to me to be a little to small to be safe in a crash. Plus three wheeled vehicles aren't safe in turns.. Oh and no ones gonna build an air car cause there's no long term money in recyclable air cars..
Well...hmmm..... It is not me who is blocking the below comments...shoot, I wanted to see them.. I follow all comments posted on any of my videos. Must be YouTube blocking.
@MythLPriest Well, how do they block you from me seeing it? I have been here for years and members can only block you from "them" not comments..... Any thoughts? I mean I can do it, as owner of the thread, but I am curious how others can do it.
@cypresso56 - they override the logins etc or they have their spies working at the websites.
same cult etc does same to me - they ensure their sick evil channels i blocked loads of times are not blocked, they keep blatantly cloned channels up, they delete messages from my inbox, delete comments i put up (you'd be surprised at what kind of comments they delete - it isn't things like over-unity and conspiracy stuff or insults etc), and don't inform me of lots of benign & friendly comments.
I don´t understand, why these liars are still not in jail.
There is a simple reason, why this old technology was abandonded: Compressed air is a bad energy storage system, espacially for mobile use. For example: 50 kg of compressed air (just the air, without the tank) contains 1 kWh of energy. That would be 1 hour with 1 kW (1,36 PS), 100% efficiency assumed.
You can power a vehicle with compressed air: For a few km. But you will never achieve a range of 100 km or even more.
@701983 First of all these "liars" work only a few miles from where I live and I can tell you that their invention is pure genius as it works perfectly according what is announced. It's been a long time since I've seen their first prototypes already working well. The only ridiculous thing here is the look they give to every model...
@unreals500 How can you know that the prototypes achieve the promised range? Did you see them driving a distance of 100 km without refilling? And how can you be sure, that there was no car with compressor on board with them?
The vehicles of MDI were proposed for the eurosolar-prize. Only problem: They had to prove the promised performance. MDI was not willing to a simple test on a test station, so the nomination was withdrawn.
@701983 If you look up the technical specs on their website you can see that the 100 km without refiling are not achieved on the ugly model you see here wich is made for city use only, it is achieved on the "OneFlow Air" model and above. Of course depending on how you drive it, you will travel more or less for a 100km. Note that the cars barely weight 700 pound so is that really unbelievable that a 300L tank of air can achieve what a regular (and heavy) car can with 1 or 2 gas gallons ?
@unreals500 In this video, they claim a range of up to 200 km for this airpod. However: 1 gallon of gas contains 34 kWh energy. 300 liters of compressed air with 300 bar are weighing 117 kg and contain 2,3 kWh.
The weight of the compressed air is the main problem.
To have enough energy stored, you need very very much air. This air makes the vehicle heavy. A heavy vehicle needs more energy. So you need more air, and so on...
@701983 The heat lost by the engine is recycled in separate chambers and reinjected to give more power, like some kind of turbo.
The vehicle weighs about 300 kg, that's like between 600 kg to 1000 kg less than a regular car so you need a lot less energy, no ? Of course they exagerate a bit I'm sure this thing will make no more than 100 km on a normal use and maybe could approch the 200 km by driving at 20 mph.
It's like a flashdrive that says 1 TO when it is barely 950 go.
@unreals500 And where comes the heat from? Every heat, that could get lost, has to be stored in the compressed air first. If you prevent energy losses from heat, you get a high efficiency. But you can´t get more efficiency than 100%.
And 100% would mean: 2,3 kWh mechanical output from 2,3 kWh compressed air.
Not to mix up with the energy you needed for compression: That is much much more, compression of air is very inefficient. An additional disadvantage of this technology.
@unreals500 You could compare it with electric vehicles with lead batteries. 1 kg of lead battery stores about 30 Wh, 1 kg of compressed air about 20 Wh. And you have to consider the weight of the air tank, so you may get (optimistically) 15 Wh for 1 kg.
To say, you can drive 200 km with compressed air is like saying you get 400 km with lead batteries. It would be more than just an exageration, it would be a lie to convince investors of the prospects of this technology.
@unreals500 The official unit for energy would be Joule. But I like to use kWh for these calculations. It´s more illustrative and you can easily convert it into common power units like kW and PS.
It´s not reserved only for electricity, you can use it for all kinds of energy.
And like I said: You get about 10 kWh of mechanical work from 34 kWh chemical stored energy (1 gallon of gas). With a highly efficient car.
@unreals500 A highly fuel-efficient car needs at least 1 gallon of gas for 100 km. Let´s assume, this car has an average efficiency of 30 percent. That means, it achieves 10,2 kWh mechanical output from the 34 kWh stored energy.
If the air car has 90% efficiency, it achieves a mechanical output of 2,1 kWh.
1 hour with 2,8 PS. Or 2 hours with 1,4 PS. Which range will you get with this performance, even with a "light" vehicle (117 kg just air, without air tank).
@701983 300 kg car with 2,8 ps VS 1000 kg car with roughly 13,6 ps. Let's say the air flow is then comparable to a 1000 kg car with 9,3 ps. That already seems more like a fair fight no ? So that's more than half of what can achieve the 1000 kg car with 13,6 ps.
That's roughly 70 percent of what can achieve the regular car right ?
I know those calculs are more like paper estimation but that fits. You can at least recognise the interest in using air since 70 % is pretty good for just air.
@unreals500 Yes, under very optimistic assumptions, they could achieve almost ranges like electric vehicles with lead batteries.
But how realistic are these assumptions? A normal steel tank for compressed air (for diving) has about 10 kg for 3 kg of air. Even if they achieve with keflar 1 kg tank for 3 kg of air, you would have 40 kg more. One driver with 80 kg and you have just 63 kg left for the vehicle itself to get just 300 kg with a full tank.
@unreals500 I have to mention at least one positive point in comparison to lead battery cars: The lead battery is always heavy, but the air tank gets lighter while using up the air.
So, you could say, the energy densities of these two technologies (and ranges) might be similar, if you have a really really light weight air tank and a really really efficient air engine.
But MDI never did an official test drive with maximum range.
@somerandomutewb It really would depend on the wreck. These things only have a top speed of about 50mph, I would think that being thrown from a motorcycle going 80mph and slamming into the asphalt might be a bit more hazardous to your health.
@MythLPriest honestly in full leathers i disagree, youll be crushed by the feeble frame and glass in this car, and you sit right at the front. you will decelerate so damn quick crashing this, opposed to skidding all over the road if you came off a bike, you will slow down over a long period assuming you dont slap a wall which in that case i do agree. stopping instantly from 80-0 = death
@somerandomutewb Full leathers don't protect your head from being crushed by a tire and neither do most helmets. There is no sliding around when you hit a telephone pole or a wall at top speed.
@MythLPriest You did not watch it, video mentioned vertical wind generator. 20 Yr life recoup costs in 10 years. Not mentioned other non-fossil fuel methods to fill tanks are: barrel wind generators; 3-D Solar; Hydrogen (from water). All could be used to make our homes energy plants with 3/4 redundancies. Why wait, build and use yourself, don't try to sell and avoid patent BS. Should be everyone's end game, to get off oil/gas forever! Let em eat their oil...suckers.
@cbemerine You would use the wind turbine to collect electricity which would then be stored to recharge the air tanks when needed. So you would be using electricity to compress the air. The problem is that it would be impossible to have enough wind turbines to generate the amount of power needed to supply all the vehicles on the planet, but it's still a great vehicle for passenger transportation over short distances.
@MythLPriest One guy generates enough hydrogen and stores it to heat his house in the winter time for 3 - 6 months. Between 3-D solar, wind (barrel and vertical) and batteries in addition to pulling hydrogen from water, your home basically becomes its own power plant. And all the energy you are using is not from fossil fuels, oil, coal, etc... Of course another friend of mine is processing fuel from a plant at less than $2.00, $1.27 / gallon and running his diesel truck.
No battery, you could probably make this thing really cheap. The big problem with compressed air is moisture corrosion. Ceramic motor would solve that. Of course if you rupture the air tank this thing would explode fatally, so you also need a fiberglass compressed air tank instead of steel/aluminum.
Have these cars undergone crash tests? Also, a friend of mine is setting up a workshop to create windmills from old washing machines. This might be very intriguing for MDI, no?
@FuriousImp In the US this would be licensed as a motorcycle. No need to crash test a motorcycle. That is probably why they use 3 wheels, which is much more dangerous than 4 but allows the motorcycle designation.
Good luck - it looks like a great idea. Obviously they'd need to be a network of compressed air outlets around the country/world !
And, I'm no expert, but whilst there might be a lot of air around us, wind turbines aren't exactly all over the place spinning like crazy everywhere I look.
How about on Snow???? Can you convert the tires to ski's or something similar which would be helpful in area's considered snow country. Thanks great video...
Great! Now we just gotta stop killing the trees to keep the air in our world to fuel all of the cars of tomorrow. Imagine that...running out of air like we are running out of fossil fuels? LOL.
@seastruth Potential reasons not to like this video: Don't like the look of the car, don't think compressed air is particularly energy efficient, don't like the way the video is presented, don't like the fact the car claims to run 'on air' when it requires compressed air, don't like cars etc etc.
But yeah I guess its more fun to assume that it must be mentally disabled people or the 'elites' who are so elite the go around downvoting YouTube videos...
Why do people whine about the looks of this car? Does it matter? Are you sucked into "my car shows who I am" kinda nonsense? It would be nice to have something functional for urban transportation...Hummers and Corvettes can be melted down and turned into something useful, like bicycles.
the future of urban transportation if could be free and reach to every country in the world, but this system wont do that... so what? this is only a charade .Resource Base Economy
Why do they always make these clean fuel cars so damn ugly that NO ONE will ever buy them...and when they don't buy them, the markets say no one is interested in clean fuel cars....
How about they start making these clean ones look like every day cars, then people might actually start buying them. Why drive something that looks like a childrens toy car, when you can drive say a merc, bmw, audi etc etc etc....Does anyone understand my point?
@Aeonboom Small company douse not have the millions of dollars nor the place to develop the "common" styling. They are more concerned about creating functionality at this point. They hope to sell enough cars to turn a profit to expand there company one day to a size that would be able to spend more money on luxuries like styleing. Thumbs up so people understand.
guys, i'd like to know what can people do to keep stuff like this from dying out, cause, as we all know, "big companies" (such as oil producers, and that sort of company) always manage to keep this creations from going global, and eventually cast them into oblivion...
I am not crazy about the clearance. Even paved roads have potholes and by the looks of the front end design, this car could loose it's bearings in one.
the "air cat" was being developed in france and was WAY better than this. It was even on modern marvels years ago. i remember i went to their site a read all about it. then it was all gone........weird
Make it look cool!
boomtao 1 day ago
where can I get one.
nousernamestaken 3 days ago
Why compressed air?
- Gasoline, everyone knows about the problems with it
- Li-..-battery production needs expensive resources and pollutes the environment, they have limited lifetime, recycling also pollutes.
- Hydrogen is way to expensive at the moment, the production is already much more effective than air compression, but creating the whole new infrastructure to distribute it is "a little bit" expensive and time consuming. So this could be an alternative in far future
NonDepositPoker 4 days ago
@NonDepositPoker
- Compressed Air is very easy to store, although it is not yet ready for mass production we should still give it a chance to launch within the next 10 or 20 years, personally I would prefer it compared to all the other stuff people are talking about. I think using hydrogen (my second option) still involves a lot of risks
NonDepositPoker 4 days ago
@NonDepositPoker Why not compressed air?
- Too much weight: You need 100 kg of compressed air to store 2 kWh, enough for 1 hour with 2,7 PS. Plus the weight of the air tank.
- Very very bad efficiency. A common compressor gives you 2 kWh of compressed air from 40 kWh of electric energy.
Air cars would be fantastic, if they would really work like promised from MDI since 1995.
Unfortunately, it´s just a fraud to earn money.
701983 2 days ago
what is the efficiency of the motor that runs on air? If you take one KWH of elecricity, use it to compress air, then use this air motor to turn a generator to turn it back into electricity, how much would you get back? how does this compare to storage of electricity in batteries? I do not know, that is why I ask. thanks
bobo888bobo 1 week ago
@bobo888bobo The weakest link is the compression of air. Very bad efficiency: Just about 5 percent with normally used compressors. So even with a very efficient engine, the overall efficiency is very far away from even bad battery systems (more than 50 percent).
701983 5 days ago
That thing got a Hemi?
vanillabeanduck 1 week ago
how many times have people proven that three wheeled cars are just gonna fail...? what makes this one different???
Corkoth55 1 week ago
how hot does it get inside that greenhouse?
splashdown50 1 week ago
looked awesome but i still haven't seen one on the road. most of these idea simply take to long to get out the door and go bankrupt.
ssj4goko4 2 weeks ago
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ssj4goko4 2 weeks ago
Hey! I've got something! They should make a car that runs on bad ideas!
TIMTEBOWNER 3 weeks ago
Amazing that this scam had gone on for so long. Will be in the market next year etc etc since 1999. In 2010 they announced this Air Pos will be in the market in 2011. This is 2012 so where is it? Ha ha you have been scammed.
hulkcausa 1 month ago
Too late. Ku Rin, an air powered vehicle is created in Japan and it already rolled out in public. So all the investors better go see Ku Rin and compare with the money invested in MDI. Try asking for your money back.
Topazman12 1 month ago
@Topazman12 Sarcasm? Toyotas Ku:rin achieves a range of 2 miles and Toyota never stated more. That makes the difference to this scam here.
701983 1 month ago
@701983 At least Ku Rin allowed the public to know about the range and lack of potential to be a ful fledge car. While MDI says,' ..gimme gimme more money...and I promise to put car by next year.' Now investors of MDI should ask for their money back.
Topazman12 4 weeks ago
Okay, I guessed right. I´m not sure, if Ku:rin really is an eye-opener. MDI may say: Ku:rin has got just a very small air tank, not like our vehicles.
Anyway, "money back" will not happen. I am sure, very good lawyers are working for MDI. Or else Guy Negre would be in jail or the company would not still exist at least.
Probably, he will still promise his vehicles for sale "the next year" in the year 2020.
There will always be enough naive people with to much money.
701983 4 weeks ago
Im not seeing this on the road yet, it is 2012 When will this be for sell?
ujayet 1 month ago
Lets get real. Everyone including you are aware that it does not take much energy to make compressed air. This is awesome technology. Just like the water powered car. One solar panel on your home can provide enough juice to compress air. 124 miles per refill ??? No wonder oil companies are closing. Wonderfull
TKO67 1 month ago
Nissan Leaf, official EPA fuel economy - 34 kWh used per 100 miles
Average 13,000 miles per year = 4,420 kWh used per year.
Using standard solar industry calculations to offset 4,420 kWh = about 12 - 230 watt panels
The AIRpod that KLM is testing, has a onboard compressor that plugs into electrical socket and takes 5 hours to recharge, and has a range of 90 miles.
? how many kWh used in five hours to recharge the AIRpod.
1b300sd 1 month ago
the AIRpod This fourwheeler runs 120 to 150 kms at 45 or (faster version) 70 km/h, is very manoeuvrable and spins around its own axe. KLM has ordered and is testing two. AirFrance, Lyonnaise des Eaux, port of Nice and VU Log of Antibes will follow. The projected price is around € 7000, filling up the 260 liter tank at 248 bar takes 2 minutes at a cost of 1 euro per 100 km at a filling station, or 5 hours at an electrical socket. On the market in 2012. Certified for the whole of Europe.
1b300sd 1 month ago
Number of solar panels needed to offset the energy it takes to run a typical eledtric car for one year. (Grid tied system)
Average electric car .33 kwh per mile. Average American drives 13,000 miles a year = 4,290-kwh = 12 - 230 watt solar panels. These panels last for 25 years
Number of solar panels it would take to offset the energy needed to run the air car ???
I am tired of people saying the only way to run these clean cars is with fossil fuels.
1b300sd 1 month ago
@1b300sd Roughly 5 times what an electric vehicle needs that as they are so energy inefficient. Basic numbers 6kw compressor running for 6 hours to give you a 7 km range. Whee? The number of panels you calculated is too low. Yyou have confused peak out put with daily average
fizzguts 1 month ago
Ku Rin. Japan already launched their air car running 80 km /hour. Too late MDI.
Topazman12 1 month ago
When I buy in Pakistan
lashari701 1 month ago
why do all cars that get good mpg look like shit
mrlfordf150 1 month ago
@mrlfordf150 This airpod gets lousy mpg, worse than a petrol powered car and still looks like shit. Go figure
fizzguts 1 month ago
@fizzguts wow....mpg... ??? you mean mpa miles per air!!
LeighSanders3 1 month ago
@LeighSanders3 No. You calculate the energy value contained in the compressed air vs the energy valve contained in a gallon of liquid fuel. This provides the comparison. The Berkley Study did just that and the air car, even if you accepted the impossible claims of MDI, is an energy hog.
fizzguts 1 month ago
first class !
GrantDavidGreenham 1 month ago
i would love to own one ... but sitting in the back ... it would make me feel sick :(
nearth13 1 month ago
how did you compress that air?... I used a compressor from my house... how did you run that compressor? I plugged it into the a power outlet... where did that energy come from? that energy came from a power plant ran by coal or natural gas... thus you are still indirectly running your car on fossil fuels but you are doing it in an extremely inefficient manner because every different medium that you use to convert that energy has losses associated with it so you my friend are the real polluter.
cjv90 1 month ago 4
@cjv90 there is analysis that includes the energy and pollution footprint of different power scemes for automobiles. with internal combustion engines the analysis includes the energy required to extract the petroleum, transport it to a refinery, process it and produce gasoline, transport it to the fueling stations...so you can see a lot of losses to be included with traditional internal combustion engines as well.
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@cjv90 I take it that you never did watch the video.
kaduisaui 3 weeks ago
@cjv90 I'm seriously tired of this shitty argument, so I'm going to shoot it down in flames AGAIN. Gasoline pollutes BOTH at extraction/refining, AND consumption. Not to mention that gasoline requires, guess what, big ass trucks to take it to a gas station. Electricity usually pollutes at production, but DOES NOT pollute at consumption, AND it has the FLEXIBILITY to come from non-polluting sources. Electric motors are also extremely efficient. THERE. Now you have NO excuse to spewing that shit.
jeffsandychelsea 2 weeks ago 5
@jeffsandychelsea what about the pollution of the lion/lipo batteries. and cost. i love the idea, but still its rather limited. would eb nice ifsolar cells were small enough to power a vehicle.
yamahonkawazuki 2 weeks ago
I want to see a crash test of it!
AndzhelUCL 1 month ago 2
I dont like the design its to unstable,that front wheel is crap,what about air bags,seat belts,i like electric cars,you need to go back to the drawing board!
remotaurog 1 month ago
Let's hope the oil companies don't buy this idea, or we'll won't be driving these cars. EVER. Think about what happened to the brilliant EV1.
Inventing good alternative systems isn't hard. Resisting wealth is.
Athehra 1 month ago
@Athehra I worked for GM when the EV1 was being produced. It wasn't that brilliant. One thing that made it fail was needless government interference. Same thing that will stop the little air car from being used in USA, unfortunately. Our lying, hypocritical government will never let a good idea like this happen here.
WurledPeas 1 month ago
it looks like a giant teletubby took a shit !
liongearo 1 month ago
Vapor-car.
This SCAM has been going on for years, the only results to-date being some videoclips showing the "car" slowly circling around for some seconds in a parking lot.
Basic math (that is, add&multiply) is more than enough to demonstrate that the given tech-specs and the reported air-tank capacity give you an autonomy of a few minutes (at best).
AlbertoNencioni 1 month ago
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AlbertoNencioni 1 month ago
Good grief, get that front single wheel on the back as fast as you can. It will stabilize the car on cornering and not present the rollover hazard it presently is.
mizamouse 2 months ago
Please sell something, you have been promising a car for 10 years. When are you going to release something?
frankturley 2 months ago
@frankturley I agree. Why they dont sell? I am tired of just see it on youtube. I want one!
LucianoBrazilian 1 month ago
Wonderful, I'd love to have one!
MrKEGreene 2 months ago
shits on the PRIUS!!!
tommo0383 2 months ago
awesome, if it doesn't snow.
whitelabelz 2 months ago
What happens if you fart?
volks1234 2 months ago
Must be amazing in the snow
volks1234 2 months ago
Woody Allen!
77GSlinger 2 months ago
I bet you would just die so fast in a head on crash in this lil craper.
annafalconx 2 months ago
btw there's steam (water) cars too - similar principal, the steam moves the engine parts, rather than the air in the case here.
they existed back when cars first were around too, and worked well.
JustSomePerson888 2 months ago
The single wheel should be on the back for more stability.
Ruede27 2 months ago
@ 701983 Modern cars use supercapacitors and LION/LIPO batteries, only idiots like you use lead acid batteries that weigh 60 pounds a pop. The reason air cars were abandoned in the 20's was they didnt have titanium airblades and carbon fiber. And between polluting at both places were energy is created and consumed, at least its 50% better to pick the least of 2 evils which is pollute only at the energy plant and not at the city as well. So get your banana and back to your tree!
crazywaterz 2 months ago 2
@crazywaterz Nice, and very knowledgeable...one of the better comments here with "facts".... Thanks!
cypresso56 2 months ago 5
so does this run on air like the title suggests, or is it in fact electric? why say it runs on air if it doesn't? there are air-compressor engines, technically those run on air. they seem to be immensely noisy though, so would be not healthy nor green at all then sadly.
JustSomePerson888 2 months ago
@JustSomePerson888 it does run on air, the emmisions come from how the electricity to compress the air is produced and construction of the car
FlyingPenguinSki 2 months ago
@FlyingPenguinSki - cheers i just checked it and yes they're compressed-air cars.
anyone know if they're noisy or did they sort that out?
JustSomePerson888 2 months ago
@ 701983 YOU ARE AN IGNORANT IDIOT. You are the classic example of some government-nwo-wannabe academic schmuck that hasnt invented jack shit yet bashes other peoples efforts and investments while you havent contributed ZERO to human evolution. Grow a brain, get your ass back to school and learn some basic physics before you pollute the net with your crap just as you do with your stupid ass V8 SUV. Modern cars use supercapacitors and LION/LIPO batteries, only idiots like you use lead acid batte
crazywaterz 2 months ago
@crazywaterz
You obviously didn´t get the point:
EVEN electric cars with cheap lead batteries would achieve a better range than air cars. Modern electric cars are much better anyway.
And regarding basic physics: I primarily counted on one fact: You need lots of compressed air to store a litte amount of energy. That´s basic physics. You might achieve efficiencies of almost 100 percent, but even then you would need about 800 lbs compressed air for just 1 hour with 10 PS. Confute this!
701983 2 months ago
@701983 one thing that worries me, and many other minnesotans, is how well can electric cars handle the cold weather?
thefakeyeti 2 months ago
@thefakeyeti I don´t like to go too far from the topic. I just wanted to make clear, why these air cars can´t achieve the promised performance and therefore are a fraud.
Cold weather is a weak point for batteries, right. One solution could be the "zebra"-battery. Electric cars from norway ("Think") are using them.
But cold weather is a problem for aircars too: Expanding air gets cold and needs heat from the environment. Else the efficiency drops.
And: Where comes the heating from?
701983 2 months ago
wtf
matthew983able 2 months ago
It seems to me to be a little to small to be safe in a crash. Plus three wheeled vehicles aren't safe in turns.. Oh and no ones gonna build an air car cause there's no long term money in recyclable air cars..
MrNomad76 2 months ago
To close up this topic for a while, a few words about efficiency:
A common electric compressor needs about 40 kWh to fill a tank of 300 liters with 300 bar. The stored energy is about 2,3 kWh.
You can store the same amount of energy in 2 simple, cheap car batteries.
And you would need 3 to 4 kWh electricity for charging them.
Aircars would be first of all: A waste of energy
And if you say, we could use more efficient compressors: If we could do this, why we don´t do it already?
701983 2 months ago
Well...hmmm..... It is not me who is blocking the below comments...shoot, I wanted to see them.. I follow all comments posted on any of my videos. Must be YouTube blocking.
cypresso56 2 months ago
@cypresso56 They blocked my comments because they couldn't handle being wrong.
MythLPriest 2 months ago
@MythLPriest lol
MythLPriest 2 months ago
@MythLPriest Well, how do they block you from me seeing it? I have been here for years and members can only block you from "them" not comments..... Any thoughts? I mean I can do it, as owner of the thread, but I am curious how others can do it.
cypresso56 2 months ago
@cypresso56 - they override the logins etc or they have their spies working at the websites.
same cult etc does same to me - they ensure their sick evil channels i blocked loads of times are not blocked, they keep blatantly cloned channels up, they delete messages from my inbox, delete comments i put up (you'd be surprised at what kind of comments they delete - it isn't things like over-unity and conspiracy stuff or insults etc), and don't inform me of lots of benign & friendly comments.
JustSomePerson888 2 months ago
@JustSomePerson888 Thanks for the insight. Greatly appreciated.
cypresso56 2 months ago
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MythLPriest 2 months ago
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MythLPriest 2 months ago
I don´t understand, why these liars are still not in jail.
There is a simple reason, why this old technology was abandonded: Compressed air is a bad energy storage system, espacially for mobile use. For example: 50 kg of compressed air (just the air, without the tank) contains 1 kWh of energy. That would be 1 hour with 1 kW (1,36 PS), 100% efficiency assumed.
You can power a vehicle with compressed air: For a few km. But you will never achieve a range of 100 km or even more.
701983 2 months ago
@701983 First of all these "liars" work only a few miles from where I live and I can tell you that their invention is pure genius as it works perfectly according what is announced. It's been a long time since I've seen their first prototypes already working well. The only ridiculous thing here is the look they give to every model...
unreals500 2 months ago
@unreals500 How can you know that the prototypes achieve the promised range? Did you see them driving a distance of 100 km without refilling? And how can you be sure, that there was no car with compressor on board with them?
The vehicles of MDI were proposed for the eurosolar-prize. Only problem: They had to prove the promised performance. MDI was not willing to a simple test on a test station, so the nomination was withdrawn.
At least this should be an eye-opener.
701983 2 months ago
@701983 If you look up the technical specs on their website you can see that the 100 km without refiling are not achieved on the ugly model you see here wich is made for city use only, it is achieved on the "OneFlow Air" model and above. Of course depending on how you drive it, you will travel more or less for a 100km. Note that the cars barely weight 700 pound so is that really unbelievable that a 300L tank of air can achieve what a regular (and heavy) car can with 1 or 2 gas gallons ?
unreals500 2 months ago
@unreals500 In this video, they claim a range of up to 200 km for this airpod. However: 1 gallon of gas contains 34 kWh energy. 300 liters of compressed air with 300 bar are weighing 117 kg and contain 2,3 kWh.
The weight of the compressed air is the main problem.
To have enough energy stored, you need very very much air. This air makes the vehicle heavy. A heavy vehicle needs more energy. So you need more air, and so on...
So: Yes, it is really unbelievable.
701983 2 months ago
@701983 The heat lost by the engine is recycled in separate chambers and reinjected to give more power, like some kind of turbo.
The vehicle weighs about 300 kg, that's like between 600 kg to 1000 kg less than a regular car so you need a lot less energy, no ? Of course they exagerate a bit I'm sure this thing will make no more than 100 km on a normal use and maybe could approch the 200 km by driving at 20 mph.
It's like a flashdrive that says 1 TO when it is barely 950 go.
unreals500 2 months ago
@unreals500 And where comes the heat from? Every heat, that could get lost, has to be stored in the compressed air first. If you prevent energy losses from heat, you get a high efficiency. But you can´t get more efficiency than 100%.
And 100% would mean: 2,3 kWh mechanical output from 2,3 kWh compressed air.
Not to mix up with the energy you needed for compression: That is much much more, compression of air is very inefficient. An additional disadvantage of this technology.
701983 2 months ago
@unreals500 You could compare it with electric vehicles with lead batteries. 1 kg of lead battery stores about 30 Wh, 1 kg of compressed air about 20 Wh. And you have to consider the weight of the air tank, so you may get (optimistically) 15 Wh for 1 kg.
To say, you can drive 200 km with compressed air is like saying you get 400 km with lead batteries. It would be more than just an exageration, it would be a lie to convince investors of the prospects of this technology.
701983 2 months ago
@701983 In practice, 1 gallon of combusted gasoline will produce 11 KWH of electricity, not 34 KWH.
unreals500 2 months ago
@unreals500 The official unit for energy would be Joule. But I like to use kWh for these calculations. It´s more illustrative and you can easily convert it into common power units like kW and PS.
It´s not reserved only for electricity, you can use it for all kinds of energy.
And like I said: You get about 10 kWh of mechanical work from 34 kWh chemical stored energy (1 gallon of gas). With a highly efficient car.
701983 2 months ago
@unreals500 A highly fuel-efficient car needs at least 1 gallon of gas for 100 km. Let´s assume, this car has an average efficiency of 30 percent. That means, it achieves 10,2 kWh mechanical output from the 34 kWh stored energy.
If the air car has 90% efficiency, it achieves a mechanical output of 2,1 kWh.
1 hour with 2,8 PS. Or 2 hours with 1,4 PS. Which range will you get with this performance, even with a "light" vehicle (117 kg just air, without air tank).
701983 2 months ago
@701983 300 kg car with 2,8 ps VS 1000 kg car with roughly 13,6 ps. Let's say the air flow is then comparable to a 1000 kg car with 9,3 ps. That already seems more like a fair fight no ? So that's more than half of what can achieve the 1000 kg car with 13,6 ps.
That's roughly 70 percent of what can achieve the regular car right ?
I know those calculs are more like paper estimation but that fits. You can at least recognise the interest in using air since 70 % is pretty good for just air.
unreals500 2 months ago
@unreals500 Yes, under very optimistic assumptions, they could achieve almost ranges like electric vehicles with lead batteries.
But how realistic are these assumptions? A normal steel tank for compressed air (for diving) has about 10 kg for 3 kg of air. Even if they achieve with keflar 1 kg tank for 3 kg of air, you would have 40 kg more. One driver with 80 kg and you have just 63 kg left for the vehicle itself to get just 300 kg with a full tank.
Realistic?
701983 2 months ago
@unreals500 I have to mention at least one positive point in comparison to lead battery cars: The lead battery is always heavy, but the air tank gets lighter while using up the air.
So, you could say, the energy densities of these two technologies (and ranges) might be similar, if you have a really really light weight air tank and a really really efficient air engine.
But MDI never did an official test drive with maximum range.
Or a test in a test station.
They know, why.
701983 2 months ago
get in any type of crash while driving that and youll never see the light of day again...
somerandomutewb 2 months ago
@somerandomutewb big fucking woop, people still ride bikes
MythLPriest 2 months ago
@MythLPriest bikes dont go 60 mph.
somerandomutewb 2 months ago
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MythLPriest 2 months ago
@somerandomutewb motorcycles do though
MythLPriest 2 months ago
@MythLPriest i guarantee you will be more harmed crashing in this than a bike.
somerandomutewb 2 months ago
@somerandomutewb It really would depend on the wreck. These things only have a top speed of about 50mph, I would think that being thrown from a motorcycle going 80mph and slamming into the asphalt might be a bit more hazardous to your health.
MythLPriest 2 months ago
@MythLPriest honestly in full leathers i disagree, youll be crushed by the feeble frame and glass in this car, and you sit right at the front. you will decelerate so damn quick crashing this, opposed to skidding all over the road if you came off a bike, you will slow down over a long period assuming you dont slap a wall which in that case i do agree. stopping instantly from 80-0 = death
somerandomutewb 2 months ago
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@somerandomutewb Full leathers don't protect your head from being crushed by a tire and neither do most helmets. There is no sliding around when you hit a telephone pole or a wall at top speed.
MythLPriest 2 months ago
@somerandomutewb maybe at 80 mph but not at 80 km/h
MythLPriest 2 months ago
@MythLPriest thats what i meant :p uk runs in mph not kmh
somerandomutewb 2 months ago
@somerandomutewb The top speed of the Airpod is only 50mph.
MythLPriest 2 months ago
@somerandomutewb and a motorized bike can easily reach 60mph
MythLPriest 2 months ago
just don't sell this company to GM 'general motors' cos it will be killed!
nicolaidna 2 months ago
My sister got one for Christmas she was riding it past us and she yelled, "I'm in a pimped out forklift WOO!"
ScottandAustinTV 2 months ago
looks like this will take off better than electrics, no expensive heavy toxic batteries, so it has a low cost
fairyheli2 2 months ago
Shame that it is too ugly, but good to know that the resources is there
TattooistArt 2 months ago
but will it even get to 20 mph
overcastgabriel 2 months ago
@overcastgabriel 80km/hr is 50 mph... 3:36 ... although its ugly as hell
ch0mper 2 months ago
Of course American oil capOtalists will not approve this car.
For our "protection", naturally!
UnoRaza 2 months ago
@UnoRaza You still have to use gas or electricity to compress the air
MythLPriest 2 months ago
@MythLPriest You did not watch it, video mentioned vertical wind generator. 20 Yr life recoup costs in 10 years. Not mentioned other non-fossil fuel methods to fill tanks are: barrel wind generators; 3-D Solar; Hydrogen (from water). All could be used to make our homes energy plants with 3/4 redundancies. Why wait, build and use yourself, don't try to sell and avoid patent BS. Should be everyone's end game, to get off oil/gas forever! Let em eat their oil...suckers.
cbemerine 2 months ago
@cbemerine You would use the wind turbine to collect electricity which would then be stored to recharge the air tanks when needed. So you would be using electricity to compress the air. The problem is that it would be impossible to have enough wind turbines to generate the amount of power needed to supply all the vehicles on the planet, but it's still a great vehicle for passenger transportation over short distances.
MythLPriest 2 months ago
@MythLPriest One guy generates enough hydrogen and stores it to heat his house in the winter time for 3 - 6 months. Between 3-D solar, wind (barrel and vertical) and batteries in addition to pulling hydrogen from water, your home basically becomes its own power plant. And all the energy you are using is not from fossil fuels, oil, coal, etc... Of course another friend of mine is processing fuel from a plant at less than $2.00, $1.27 / gallon and running his diesel truck.
cbemerine 2 months ago
No battery, you could probably make this thing really cheap. The big problem with compressed air is moisture corrosion. Ceramic motor would solve that. Of course if you rupture the air tank this thing would explode fatally, so you also need a fiberglass compressed air tank instead of steel/aluminum.
needparalegal 2 months ago
@needparalegal Don't you think that they've thought this thing through ? they put their money in it so I guess they got it pretty well figured out.
unreals500 2 months ago
Have these cars undergone crash tests? Also, a friend of mine is setting up a workshop to create windmills from old washing machines. This might be very intriguing for MDI, no?
FuriousImp 2 months ago
@FuriousImp In the US this would be licensed as a motorcycle. No need to crash test a motorcycle. That is probably why they use 3 wheels, which is much more dangerous than 4 but allows the motorcycle designation.
needparalegal 2 months ago
I guess you could say these guys are under...
A lot of pressure to make this a success
YEEAAAHHHHHH
AltimaNEO 2 months ago
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AltimaNEO 2 months ago
does this auto hold only one person?
ACIMessentials 2 months ago
I want one now. Would solve my commute expenses. Six miles each way all local traffic. What kind of safety things does it have?
Goblinmoon 2 months ago
Good luck - it looks like a great idea. Obviously they'd need to be a network of compressed air outlets around the country/world !
And, I'm no expert, but whilst there might be a lot of air around us, wind turbines aren't exactly all over the place spinning like crazy everywhere I look.
Jez2008UK 3 months ago
How about on Snow???? Can you convert the tires to ski's or something similar which would be helpful in area's considered snow country. Thanks great video...
strangemagic13 3 months ago
10,000 ain't bad at all ; )
awakenedone13 3 months ago
Omg I want one! I jus hope they make one a little bigger lol to atleast fit four people
awakenedone13 3 months ago
doomed
jamesdeonLamont 3 months ago
do we have to use oil from keeping it going to the iner core of the earth cause it's hot stuff oil in in love with it
SCUBONZIES 3 months ago
Great! Now we just gotta stop killing the trees to keep the air in our world to fuel all of the cars of tomorrow. Imagine that...running out of air like we are running out of fossil fuels? LOL.
GeronimoFB1 3 months ago
@GeronimoFB1 Trees are responsible for oxygen, not air... Those cars run on air not oxygen.
unreals500 2 months ago
wheelchair to all ..!!!..
ilgainis 3 months ago
Good for our modern civilization
SuperJosemendoza 3 months ago
Technically, it runs on whatever generates the electricity used to run the compressor, which might, or might not, be ecologically friendly.
loperspest 3 months ago 2
@loperspest We are building windmills in holland. Compress the air with windpower, and you're 100% friendly to Mother Earth. :)
FuriousImp 3 months ago
WoW.... such an aerodynamic desgin!!!
JibranSial 3 months ago
I can promote the airpod .. but then i have to get him for free!
anuskransje 3 months ago
i want one
unitabob 3 months ago
@seastruth Potential reasons not to like this video: Don't like the look of the car, don't think compressed air is particularly energy efficient, don't like the way the video is presented, don't like the fact the car claims to run 'on air' when it requires compressed air, don't like cars etc etc.
But yeah I guess its more fun to assume that it must be mentally disabled people or the 'elites' who are so elite the go around downvoting YouTube videos...
LudicrousBarchart 3 months ago
why dont they compress their own air once theyre running?
DorcasLeigh 3 months ago
@DorcasLeigh Because that would require breaking the laws of physics to be sustainable.
LudicrousBarchart 3 months ago
hope it passes the crash test, this should be popular !
vampyzamby 3 months ago
yes yes yes
SoulJuiceTV 3 months ago
love how it looks:) I wonder how fast can it go? Can you get an adapter to charge it with 5 gal small air compressor at home
moneyend111 3 months ago
@moneyend111 Also what is the life span of the engine? is there maintenance?
moneyend111 3 months ago
@moneyend111 if you watch the video they mention how fast it goes, so you failed ;)
jokergd 3 months ago
@jokergd Miserably:) I don't want to watch it 3rd time:)
moneyend111 3 months ago
I'm surprised Big Oil hasn't shut these people down. I really hope to see more sustainable technologies reach the market.
IHighLikePlane 3 months ago
Why do people whine about the looks of this car? Does it matter? Are you sucked into "my car shows who I am" kinda nonsense? It would be nice to have something functional for urban transportation...Hummers and Corvettes can be melted down and turned into something useful, like bicycles.
geezusispan 3 months ago
the future of urban transportation if could be free and reach to every country in the world, but this system wont do that... so what? this is only a charade .Resource Base Economy
tomsp1138 3 months ago
Why do they always make these clean fuel cars so damn ugly that NO ONE will ever buy them...and when they don't buy them, the markets say no one is interested in clean fuel cars....
How about they start making these clean ones look like every day cars, then people might actually start buying them. Why drive something that looks like a childrens toy car, when you can drive say a merc, bmw, audi etc etc etc....Does anyone understand my point?
Aeonboom 3 months ago
@Aeonboom Small company douse not have the millions of dollars nor the place to develop the "common" styling. They are more concerned about creating functionality at this point. They hope to sell enough cars to turn a profit to expand there company one day to a size that would be able to spend more money on luxuries like styleing. Thumbs up so people understand.
RecordingsFromDallas 3 months ago
@RecordingsFromDallas They have taken well over $20 million from ignorant investors since 1996 It's a con aimed at rich technical illiterates
fizzguts 3 months ago
This wont become a commercial success either. Namely because it would take massive profits away from trans national oil companies.
tom432011 3 months ago
I guy made a car that runs on water...But they took care of him
PepperNinja0069 3 months ago
@seastruth you can bet the elites won't allow this to succeed.
garrethdavis 3 months ago
@seastruth I hear ya! I was looking at that and thinking the same thing and then I read your comment....lol.
oi812raw 3 months ago
The question, for me, is, what about safety? What happens when a real car hits me at 45 mph?
OccupySpringfieldIL 3 months ago
@OccupySpringfieldIL you get fucking destroyed haha
GrowerMD 3 months ago
is it necessary to make to first car to run off of air look like suck a sucky piece of shit?
GanjaKahn42O 3 months ago
guys, i'd like to know what can people do to keep stuff like this from dying out, cause, as we all know, "big companies" (such as oil producers, and that sort of company) always manage to keep this creations from going global, and eventually cast them into oblivion...
KnightInFlames1 3 months ago
I hope this car doesn't have the same fate as the electric car..
vastated 3 months ago
'commercial success' *chuckles*
suneel7 3 months ago
I am not crazy about the clearance. Even paved roads have potholes and by the looks of the front end design, this car could loose it's bearings in one.
jojohighsprings 3 months ago
2.33 this and mercedes xD
zzzpolizzz 3 months ago
When will they make this car disappear?
erasmusso 3 months ago
@seastruth maybe he dosent like the french...
JuSKallday 3 months ago
What happens when you park in your garage and need to get out?
GeneralVolkov 3 months ago
What about safety, it seems that car would get smashed to pieces in even a small collision.
Ardias000 3 months ago
the "air cat" was being developed in france and was WAY better than this. It was even on modern marvels years ago. i remember i went to their site a read all about it. then it was all gone........weird
opendora 3 months ago