patience is more thank the a virtue it will save your life this i think is closer to this kids idea
safety positioning is the white belts truest lessone Warriors must come home i think this fallows the even hielo gracies line of thought efficiency of motion left for stamina and strength all the tools in the shed plus how one enters his opponent yes danceing with patience presintation and flow brucie lee " be like water " i think this applies to this kid ya forealz
@TheXXLethal Grammar isn't a necessity where we are guy, im just saying. The comment you made was kind of retarded to i just put things into perspective. Honestly i was expecting you to say something along the lines of "yeah i would whoop him pretty fast" but yeah you surprised me man. Bravo!
I find shooting in is so pointless. Everytime i see Diaz take a leg shot he gets sprawled on and that is the same for the majority of submission wrestlers i watch. Throws from Clinch>Leg Shots
wow, this lucas dude is a fuckin pussy, if you dont wanna grapple just go sit the fuck down or go home, diaz is putting his own leg in his arm to get taken down just for something to happen, this guys goal is to stand there and push his hands away... fuckin stupid
I'll give this to travesham by unanimous decision. I've seen enough 10th Planet techniques used successfully in mma to be sure it works. Of course they're not REALLY 10th planet techniques but still, people probably learned them due to his high profile. I haven't seen it as much in bjj. If you wanna learn it, learn it. I will say that the guys at 10th planet hq are tough mfs.
i wisk nick used rubber guard. it would make him impossible to beat. i jus realized it look and joe stevenson when he fought nate then look at joe when he fought george stoprupolos sorry i cant pell but the rubber guard was key in that fight and if nate used it against joe he wouldnt of lost
@TheKidBoRay11 dude rubber guard is trash if u dont know what ur talking about dont comment on anything bjj related. have u ever seen a bjj world champ using rubber guard. no u havent. has a bjj world champ ever come out of a 10th planet system no u havent. have u ever seen a top level grappler use rubber guard? nog? marcelo garcia? jacare? braulio estima? roger gracie? jeff glover? andre galvao? mendes brothers? leites brothers? ribeiro? the answer is no. rubber guard only works vs. white belts
@carlsongracieteam For straight grappling, you may be right. But you're kidding yourself if you don't consider Penn a top level grappler and he implements it all the time. In terms of MMA, the rubber guard is effective because it a controls your opponent's posture and doesn't allow him to get off as many power shots. Seeing as how he was bringing up UFC names, I think he was thinking about MMA. Grappling is different from grappling with someone who's punching you in the face.
@travesham penn is a top level grappler but he rarely uses the rubber guard in mma. and was at the last bellator fighting championships thursday and there was a guy working rubber guard. and the guy stuck in it just postured up picked him up and slammed him on his head. if someone is able to lift u up when your in rubber guard what are you going to do? u either have to let go of the guard or be slammed.....
@carlsongracieteam People get slammed doing triangles and armbars, that doesn't mean the techniques are trash. Sometimes you're faced to give up a sub or change positions at a moments notice. Not every opponent is going to be able to go Rampage on you, that being said, there are ways to prevent the slam. Hooking a leg with your arm is a good way. If he does lift you, since your legs are under his arms, you could put your feet down and go back to standing, as opposed to being on bottom.
@travesham you cant hook the leg in rubber guard though that is why im trying to tell you. unless you are 7 foot tall you are not going to be able to do it with someone who has a wide base. yeah when you are in a triangle a white belt way to prevent a slam is to create the 45 degree angle and hook the leg. but you cant do that rubber guard. and if you stack rubber guard it puts an insane amount of pressure on the knee and forces them to let go...
@carlsongracieteam To powerbomb, he needs to set his feet closer to you in order to get proper leverage. At any size you can hook a leg from there. And like I said, if he does pick you up, it's probably in your best interest to let go anyways because you can to go back to the feet. You're on bottom, so the judges are scoring for your opponent. No guard is completely stack/slam/escape proof and can stop all strikes, but being able to use them all and transition between them fills out your game.
@travesham dude the guy tried to grab his leg and was unable to. plus even if you can grab there leg you are still brought off the ground a good foot. that is still gonna hurt like fuck to get slammed on your head. not only that but if he forces the guy to let go of the guard then he is no longer stuck in it. either way the rubber guard is innefective. your proving my point in more way than one. sorry but you making this dispute pretty easy for me.
@carlsongracieteam It's only easy if you pick and choose which points to respond to. In MMA, if you're on the bottom, the judges will score against you. If you use a rubber guard, even if you can't transition into a triangle, pull a switch, or an omoplata etc, but you avoid damage and get the fight back to the feet, that's effective. And like I said, it's not like you can't get slammed, stacked or countered in one way or another from a lot of other positions. That doesn't make them trash.
@carlsongracieteam Implication matters as well. I'm sure someone like Bravo or Aoki implement the rubber guard with a much higher rate of success than a mid-level grappler. Just like some guys pull guard with more success than others, just like how you wouldn't want to throw a lot of superman punches, but that doesn't mean they can't be effective tools in your arsenal. The point being, I'd rather know how to use these things and not need them, than need them and not know them.
@travesham ok buddy when you see a current world champion using the rubber guard you go ahead and rub it in my face until then just shut up... really making your self look stupid to be honest. 10th planet has never produced a high class grappler. there best grappler is denny prokopos for crying out loud he cant win anything besides naga what a fucking joke...
@carlsongracieteam Does it sound like I'm talking grappling tournaments or are you being willfully dense? The guy before wasn't talking about BJJ tourneys either. WHICH I MENTIONED. I've clearly stated that I'm talking about MMA and I've given examples applicable to MMA. I'll repeat myself, grappling with STRIKES is different from straight grappling. Part of the strength of a rubber guard is that it controls your opponent's posture and doesn't allow them to land hard shots.
@carlsongracieteam For the record, I also said in my first comment that you may be in terms of pure BJJ. Since you're clearly half retarded, I'll say it again. In a grappling match, you're probably right because there are no strikes. HOWEVER, when your opponent can hit you and you can hit back, the rubber guard neutralizes ground and pound. I think that it's pretty hard to argue that this has no use in an MMA bout.
@travesham i watched it used in an mma bout and the guy got knocked out from being slammed. and he tried to hook his leg and was unable to. because he has no mobility in his hips. the rubber guard limits you hip movement so much that no only is it easy to pass but if someone stacks it the strain it puts on the knee can literally burst the acl ligament. it has happened before. when you stacked you really have to let go of the guard. it is really innefective in all aspects.
@carlsongracieteam You're acting as though the stack is unstoppable, but in reality there are ways to deal with it. Like transitioning to butterfly or pulling a stack attack for example.
The rubber guard isn't THE guard, it's a tool to be used along with the other guards. Even Bravo says this to some degree.
And if it were always easy to just slam your way out, Aoki would not be where he is today. If you can break down your opponent's posture properly, you should be pretty hard to slam.
@travesham whoa whoa whoa. we were talking rubber guard so dont try to cover you ass. yeah of course you can pull a different guard its fucking bjj. we were disputing how useless rubber guard was because all you have to do is stack it, control the ankles and pass it, or lift them up and slam them. of course you could go to spider guard, or turtle guard, or x-guard, or de le hiva guard. but what the fuck does that have to do with rubber guard...
@carlsongracieteam Cover my ass? I was just saying that you have options IF you get stacked. No matter what guard you use, unless the guys going to sit and wait for you to do whatever you want, you need to be able to transition. I'm not saying the RG's magical and it always works, just that its not "trash." There are effective ways to use it and there are uses to having the it in your arsenal. If you think it's "trash" because there's a way to pass, then you must think that all guards are trash.
@travesham yeah your covering your ass. we were discussing the rubber guard and you bring in using it for other guards... well if you wanted to get to another guard you wouldnt use the rubber guard to get there. i have never seen anyone use the rubber guard to get to a double butterfly or full guard or turtle guard or any guard.... the rubber guard is trash and you and me both know it. you dont want to believe it you want to believe you are training in the next big thing... guess what you aren't
@carlsongracieteam I advocate having a complete game. It's not that you want to go to another guard, but if you have to do something, you can or there's other techniques like the stack attack from RG. Did I ever say that the rubber guard was better than anything else? All I'm saying is that it can be an effective tool in an arsenal of tools. Do you think there's no way to deal with a turtle guard or a butterfly guard? Does the fact that there IS make them trash? No.
@travesham@travesham well I am gonna go with what Marcelo Garcia, Roger Gracie, and Jacare. The 3 best p4p grapplers. and you can go with the rubber guard where there best grappler is Denny prokopos who hasn't even qualified for Abu Dhabi or the Mundials. The proof is there if rubber guard were any good than world champions would be using it. but there are just so many holes to exploit..
@travesham well I am gonna go with what Marcelo Garcia, Roger Gracie, and Jacare. The 3 best p4p grapplers. and you can go with the rubber guard where there best grappler is Denny prokopos who hasn't even qualified for Abu Dhabi or the Mundials. The proof is there if rubber guard were any good than world champions would be using it. but there are just so many holes to exploit..
@carlsongracieteam You do realize Prokopos has won the 2007 worlds no gi at brown belt? He just became a black belt in September of last year. I think he's like 22, he's going to improve, as will his usage of the RG. Again, you're still focusing on pure BJJ and ignoring most of the points I've made, especially in terms of MMA. In MMA the, guy with the most tools has the greatest advantage. You've listed one example of it not working in MMA, is it "proof" if I name examples of it being effective?
@travesham bro denny prokopos has never competed in the mundials ( bjj world championships) he competes at like GQ and naga bout as good as it gets for him dont believe go to his freakin website or youtube channel.
@travesham bro once again you look like a jackass.. HE COMPETED IN THE FILO WORLDS. NOT IN THE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS.... THE FILO WORLDS. FILO IS THE BRAZIL NAGA.... HAS NEVER GONE TO THE MUNDIALS. JESUS CHRIST. NOT ONLY ARE YOU STUPID BUT YOUR STUBBORN TO. THE FILO WORLDS IS JUST LIKE THE NAGA WORLDS. OR GQ. IT ISN'T THE MUNDIALS THOUGH I PROMISE. ONCE AGAIN YOUR A JACKASS.
@carlsongracieteam Obviously you didn't google anything. I just put in "denny prokopos no gi mundials" and there's a list of pages, articles, interviews, pictures and a few videos. Don't promise anything, look it up. Look it up and tell me what you see. If you just don't want to believe it, that's on you fuckhole.
@travesham Once again he has never been to world champions just the filo mundials he went to in december. i just watched the mundials last weekend... and i can reassure you that denny prokopos was not competing. Marcelo won his 4th world championships and roger gracie won his 7th and also became the first person to submit every opponent at the worlds in the black belt division..
@carlsongracieteam "To the right of the ring is a wrestling area, where Bobby Stack is working on his Jiu-Jitsu with trainer Denny Prokopos, the 2007 Jiu-Jitsu No Gi World Champion (Mundials) in the Brown Belt Category." Website from a San Fran Magazine.
"The 2007 No Gi Mundials were held in LA this past weekend and two of our teammates fought like lions. Denny Prokopos is the "World champion of the World" in his weight class in the Brown Belt division" fightandfitness com
@travesham rofl brown belt division.... that isnt world champ not even close what a fucking joke. verse the best in the world denny would get fucking dominated me and you both know that. and he is 10th planets best grappler....
@carlsongracieteam So, basically as far as you're concerned, EVERY BJJ practitioner who hasn't won the black belt Mundials by 22 is a joke? Even if he won at brown belt and took 3rd at black in 2009 at feather? (it's on ibjjf) Sounds to me like you only think he's trash because he doesn't use the style you've been training in. Do you think everyone at your gym is trash who hasn't WON black belt mundials?
@travesham yeah dude for being a system's best grappler and you cant even compete verse the best in the world representing the WHOLE FUCKING SYSTEM. I am gonna say it is trash. Absolutely. If it was the other way around and 10 planet jj had the best grapplers in the world and traditional didnt even have a world class grappler not 1 even though they have certified training centers all around the world. I would say traditional is trash but it isnt that way so...
@carlsongracieteam There you go, ignore everything you don't have a response for and repeat points I've already addressed. 3rd Place Black Belt Mundials at age 22, how's that not competing? And he's the FIRST BLACKBELT OF THE ENTIRE SYSTEM. It's not as though there's generations of practitioners like with the Gracies, 10pjj is still developing as is Prokopos, again he's only 22. Besides, we're talking about using RG, not BECOMING 10pjj. I'm happy at Gracie Barra, I just like a full tool set
@travesham ok tell me this have you ever subbed anyone in a tourney using rubber guard? have you ever swept someone in mma or a tourney with rubber guard? have you ever seen an mma fighter finish someone from rubber guard? have you seen an mma fighter do anything with rubber guard besides breaking there opponents posture which you can do with a normal high guard while still have your hip movement and many more attacks. sorry gogoplatas, monoplatas,omaplatas dnt work and neither does rubber guard
@carlsongracieteam Nope, but I don't compete all that much. I haven't subbed anyone with a darce in a tourney, does that mean that's trash too? You're getting a little bit ridiculous now. A gogo worked just fine for Diaz against Gomi. I've seen Aoki win a couple times by gogo as well. I've seen Sotiropoulos use RG and an omaplata against Stevenson. I saw Horwich use it effectively on McDonald (even though he went on to lose), who is generally considered to be the better grappler.
@travesham dude you will see rubber guard used to break down the guy but name a fight where the guy was finished from the rubber guard 1 legit professional fight. since there is such a following there has to be one pro fighter who has finished a fight with rg. and yeah diaz did use a gogo, but not from rg diaz is an amazing grappler and that is the only gogo ive ever seen in mma. and sotiropoulos didnt finish the fight with omoplata once again try again later.
@carlsongracieteam I didn't say that Sotiropoulos finished the fight, just that he used two techniques that you claimed didn't work. As for a finish, watch Shinya Aoki vs Joachim Hansen. Rubber Guard 101. He takes mission control, reaching under his ankle, gets Joachim's hand on the mat and works the gogo. Also, I'm pretty sure I saw Imanari get a neck crank from an omoplata.
@travesham@travesham lol the omplata technique didnt work because he didnt finish the fight. and i said 1 legit pro fight aoki, (a top 10 lighweight) was fighting joachim hansen he had lost 3 in a row and isnt even fighting for a professional organization any more and joachim record is 19-10 when he fought a bunch of nobodies im talking 2 legit fighters both with at least decent skills on the ground. 2 fighter's whos name has been out there a little. not a guy who is washed up.
@carlsongracieteam Do you even know what you're talking about anymore? First off, he was coming off a two fight WIN streak, not 3 losses. Hansen has wins over Cavalcante, Gomi, Yves Edwards, Imanari, and Uno, all solid wins for anybody. Hell, he's beaten Aoki before. Lot's of his losses are to guys like Sakurai, Kawajiri, Ribeiro, Alvares, Fernandes, and of course Aoki (twice). Which of these guys would you consider to be nobodies?
@travesham look at the year those fights were man. late 90's early 00's. he was an exceptional fighter. but when he fought and lost by gogoplata he was on a major down slope and not fighting the same level in competition. me and you both know that you can try to fire back but here it is plain and simple and u know it is true. very few fights have ever been finished from the rubber guard. no top 10 ranked fighter in any division has finished or been finished from the rg. (continue to next comment
@carlsongracieteam Are you kidding me?His last fight right before he got gogoed was when he BEAT Aoki in 2008. The rubber match was the beginning of his 3 fight losing streak. MMA is different from BJJ because the guard isnt a neutral position. The guy on bottom will pretty much always lose on points. RG is one way you can break the posture, stop him from doing damage and you can go for subs, sweeps or throw elbows and strikes. Even if you didnt finish him, it would help on points in a decision.
@travesham bro there are no effective sweeps from rubber guard absolutely none. there is the stack attack which all you have to do is sprawlo and take there hips away to defend and there is a flower sweep which is nearly impossibe. from rubber guard you have a locoplata (never seen it effective) gogoplata (work 5 percent of the time) omoplata (works 10 percent of time can roll or simply jump across opponents body and land in side control. rubber just break the posture down. thats it.
@carlsongracieteam California, but I'm not about to compare credentials with some dude over the internet, especially when there's no way to verify. I've got to say that I'm pretty sick of you ignoring a whole plethora of points that you have no response for. You say something, I tell you why it's false and you move on to something else. The fact that you picked up on this conversation a month later just shows your insecurity on the matter. Bottom line: MMA is about having tools, RG = one tool.
@travesham wrong, everytime i hit you with a point you dont have any defense i say when you use rg it takes a way all hip movement= true, when you use rg you have only about 4 subs all have very low success rate=true. no one bjj champion has ever implemented the rg=true, 10th planet jj never had any success in major tournaments=true, No high level bjj players use rubber guard absolutely none, don't you think there is a reason for that. your stubborn and dont want to admit rg is almost useless...
@carlsongracieteam Yes, it takes away hip movement.Congrats, youve pointed out that its not perfect which I never said it was. Youre clearly too dense to understand the whole ideal of a tool set. I already said its more useful in MMA than in BJJ. I constantly remind you that Im talking about its uses in MMA as was the guy who you originally responded to, which you've shown limited knowledge of. Im almost tempted to say you're a very elaborate troll, its really that bad. I'm done with you asshat.
@travesham ifc if you think im an elaborate troll or anything else but i just pointed out 5 major reasons why the rg doesnt work for anything except breaking your opponent down and all you could say was "oh you dont understand a toolset your an elaberate troll. wow good call way to defend the rg that made me a believer many technical reasons why the rg works.... man your one intelligent person.
@travesham and no bjj world champions have ever used the rubber guard. the rubber guard does really nothing but break your opponents posture down and it takes away all hip movement (which is everything in bjj). you can catch very few submissions that have low success rates from it. why not just use a traditional high guard which does the same thing but then you have all the same submissions plus many many more armbars, triangles, ezekiels. etc. eddie bravo is making bank of you idiots.its a scam
@carlsongracieteam i have to agree with you, rubber guard works good against people who dont know whats going on, as a blue belt i held my own with a brown belt under the 10th planet bjj.
@admbjj yeah the only thing rubber guard is good for is breaking down your opponent. which i completely agree it does that well. but you will never see a high level grappler or mma fighter be tapped from rubber guard, or swept from rubber guard. there posture will be broken down that is it. and eddie promotes his students to black belts after 3 years. guys who train with a gi are a blue or a low level purple after 3 years... joe rogan is a brown belt and would get killed against a purple...
wtf?
TheDinglestick 2 weeks ago
Wtf with the upside down guard lol
TheTerrorUforgot 2 weeks ago
Diaz is playing with that guy.. takin it so easy
allroundp4p 1 month ago
oh this ant english class bro stay up warriors forealz peace love respeto
domvijarro 1 month ago
patience is more thank the a virtue it will save your life this i think is closer to this kids idea
safety positioning is the white belts truest lessone Warriors must come home i think this fallows the even hielo gracies line of thought efficiency of motion left for stamina and strength all the tools in the shed plus how one enters his opponent yes danceing with patience presintation and flow brucie lee " be like water " i think this applies to this kid ya forealz
domvijarro 1 month ago
Nothing with Nick Diaz is a superfight.
TheXXLethal 2 months ago
@TheXXLethal if he fought you i'd be a super quick one though...
two210 1 month ago
@two210 You fucked up your grammer and yes he is an MMA fighter obviously he would kick my ass retard.
TheXXLethal 1 month ago
@TheXXLethal Grammar isn't a necessity where we are guy, im just saying. The comment you made was kind of retarded to i just put things into perspective. Honestly i was expecting you to say something along the lines of "yeah i would whoop him pretty fast" but yeah you surprised me man. Bravo!
two210 1 month ago
@two210 Well im glad your happy after making such an idiotic comment then. Way to point out the obvious.
TheXXLethal 1 month ago
I find shooting in is so pointless. Everytime i see Diaz take a leg shot he gets sprawled on and that is the same for the majority of submission wrestlers i watch. Throws from Clinch>Leg Shots
sensfan10000 3 months ago
@sensfan10000 I'm surprised he doesn't try an over-under clinch since he has a sambo coach. Him and Nate pop some sick hip tosses in their fights.
TheTerrorUforgot 2 weeks ago
wow, this lucas dude is a fuckin pussy, if you dont wanna grapple just go sit the fuck down or go home, diaz is putting his own leg in his arm to get taken down just for something to happen, this guys goal is to stand there and push his hands away... fuckin stupid
JMoore4291 10 months ago
@JMoore4291 He's point fighting. Luckily now the Gracies are changing their tournies to be submission is the only way to get points or win.
TheTerrorUforgot 2 weeks ago
Everyone thinks there mma and Bjj teachers in these comments. Shut up you dickheads
delaforce202 11 months ago
2 grown men dancing
jaretrising 1 year ago
I'll give this to travesham by unanimous decision. I've seen enough 10th Planet techniques used successfully in mma to be sure it works. Of course they're not REALLY 10th planet techniques but still, people probably learned them due to his high profile. I haven't seen it as much in bjj. If you wanna learn it, learn it. I will say that the guys at 10th planet hq are tough mfs.
ReverendNovember 1 year ago
Nick''s flexibility is outstanding
OTTEN2007 1 year ago
Who won?
sushimasta28 1 year ago
i wisk nick used rubber guard. it would make him impossible to beat. i jus realized it look and joe stevenson when he fought nate then look at joe when he fought george stoprupolos sorry i cant pell but the rubber guard was key in that fight and if nate used it against joe he wouldnt of lost
TheKidBoRay11 2 years ago
@TheKidBoRay11 dude rubber guard is trash if u dont know what ur talking about dont comment on anything bjj related. have u ever seen a bjj world champ using rubber guard. no u havent. has a bjj world champ ever come out of a 10th planet system no u havent. have u ever seen a top level grappler use rubber guard? nog? marcelo garcia? jacare? braulio estima? roger gracie? jeff glover? andre galvao? mendes brothers? leites brothers? ribeiro? the answer is no. rubber guard only works vs. white belts
carlsongracieteam 1 year ago
@carlsongracieteam For straight grappling, you may be right. But you're kidding yourself if you don't consider Penn a top level grappler and he implements it all the time. In terms of MMA, the rubber guard is effective because it a controls your opponent's posture and doesn't allow him to get off as many power shots. Seeing as how he was bringing up UFC names, I think he was thinking about MMA. Grappling is different from grappling with someone who's punching you in the face.
travesham 1 year ago
@travesham penn is a top level grappler but he rarely uses the rubber guard in mma. and was at the last bellator fighting championships thursday and there was a guy working rubber guard. and the guy stuck in it just postured up picked him up and slammed him on his head. if someone is able to lift u up when your in rubber guard what are you going to do? u either have to let go of the guard or be slammed.....
carlsongracieteam 1 year ago
@carlsongracieteam People get slammed doing triangles and armbars, that doesn't mean the techniques are trash. Sometimes you're faced to give up a sub or change positions at a moments notice. Not every opponent is going to be able to go Rampage on you, that being said, there are ways to prevent the slam. Hooking a leg with your arm is a good way. If he does lift you, since your legs are under his arms, you could put your feet down and go back to standing, as opposed to being on bottom.
travesham 1 year ago
@travesham you cant hook the leg in rubber guard though that is why im trying to tell you. unless you are 7 foot tall you are not going to be able to do it with someone who has a wide base. yeah when you are in a triangle a white belt way to prevent a slam is to create the 45 degree angle and hook the leg. but you cant do that rubber guard. and if you stack rubber guard it puts an insane amount of pressure on the knee and forces them to let go...
carlsongracieteam 1 year ago
@carlsongracieteam To powerbomb, he needs to set his feet closer to you in order to get proper leverage. At any size you can hook a leg from there. And like I said, if he does pick you up, it's probably in your best interest to let go anyways because you can to go back to the feet. You're on bottom, so the judges are scoring for your opponent. No guard is completely stack/slam/escape proof and can stop all strikes, but being able to use them all and transition between them fills out your game.
travesham 1 year ago
@travesham dude the guy tried to grab his leg and was unable to. plus even if you can grab there leg you are still brought off the ground a good foot. that is still gonna hurt like fuck to get slammed on your head. not only that but if he forces the guy to let go of the guard then he is no longer stuck in it. either way the rubber guard is innefective. your proving my point in more way than one. sorry but you making this dispute pretty easy for me.
carlsongracieteam 1 year ago
@carlsongracieteam It's only easy if you pick and choose which points to respond to. In MMA, if you're on the bottom, the judges will score against you. If you use a rubber guard, even if you can't transition into a triangle, pull a switch, or an omoplata etc, but you avoid damage and get the fight back to the feet, that's effective. And like I said, it's not like you can't get slammed, stacked or countered in one way or another from a lot of other positions. That doesn't make them trash.
travesham 1 year ago
@carlsongracieteam Implication matters as well. I'm sure someone like Bravo or Aoki implement the rubber guard with a much higher rate of success than a mid-level grappler. Just like some guys pull guard with more success than others, just like how you wouldn't want to throw a lot of superman punches, but that doesn't mean they can't be effective tools in your arsenal. The point being, I'd rather know how to use these things and not need them, than need them and not know them.
travesham 1 year ago 13
@travesham ok buddy when you see a current world champion using the rubber guard you go ahead and rub it in my face until then just shut up... really making your self look stupid to be honest. 10th planet has never produced a high class grappler. there best grappler is denny prokopos for crying out loud he cant win anything besides naga what a fucking joke...
carlsongracieteam 1 year ago
@carlsongracieteam Does it sound like I'm talking grappling tournaments or are you being willfully dense? The guy before wasn't talking about BJJ tourneys either. WHICH I MENTIONED. I've clearly stated that I'm talking about MMA and I've given examples applicable to MMA. I'll repeat myself, grappling with STRIKES is different from straight grappling. Part of the strength of a rubber guard is that it controls your opponent's posture and doesn't allow them to land hard shots.
travesham 1 year ago
@carlsongracieteam For the record, I also said in my first comment that you may be in terms of pure BJJ. Since you're clearly half retarded, I'll say it again. In a grappling match, you're probably right because there are no strikes. HOWEVER, when your opponent can hit you and you can hit back, the rubber guard neutralizes ground and pound. I think that it's pretty hard to argue that this has no use in an MMA bout.
travesham 1 year ago
@travesham i watched it used in an mma bout and the guy got knocked out from being slammed. and he tried to hook his leg and was unable to. because he has no mobility in his hips. the rubber guard limits you hip movement so much that no only is it easy to pass but if someone stacks it the strain it puts on the knee can literally burst the acl ligament. it has happened before. when you stacked you really have to let go of the guard. it is really innefective in all aspects.
carlsongracieteam 1 year ago
@carlsongracieteam You're acting as though the stack is unstoppable, but in reality there are ways to deal with it. Like transitioning to butterfly or pulling a stack attack for example.
The rubber guard isn't THE guard, it's a tool to be used along with the other guards. Even Bravo says this to some degree.
And if it were always easy to just slam your way out, Aoki would not be where he is today. If you can break down your opponent's posture properly, you should be pretty hard to slam.
travesham 1 year ago
@travesham whoa whoa whoa. we were talking rubber guard so dont try to cover you ass. yeah of course you can pull a different guard its fucking bjj. we were disputing how useless rubber guard was because all you have to do is stack it, control the ankles and pass it, or lift them up and slam them. of course you could go to spider guard, or turtle guard, or x-guard, or de le hiva guard. but what the fuck does that have to do with rubber guard...
carlsongracieteam 1 year ago
@carlsongracieteam Cover my ass? I was just saying that you have options IF you get stacked. No matter what guard you use, unless the guys going to sit and wait for you to do whatever you want, you need to be able to transition. I'm not saying the RG's magical and it always works, just that its not "trash." There are effective ways to use it and there are uses to having the it in your arsenal. If you think it's "trash" because there's a way to pass, then you must think that all guards are trash.
travesham 1 year ago
@travesham yeah your covering your ass. we were discussing the rubber guard and you bring in using it for other guards... well if you wanted to get to another guard you wouldnt use the rubber guard to get there. i have never seen anyone use the rubber guard to get to a double butterfly or full guard or turtle guard or any guard.... the rubber guard is trash and you and me both know it. you dont want to believe it you want to believe you are training in the next big thing... guess what you aren't
carlsongracieteam 1 year ago
@carlsongracieteam I advocate having a complete game. It's not that you want to go to another guard, but if you have to do something, you can or there's other techniques like the stack attack from RG. Did I ever say that the rubber guard was better than anything else? All I'm saying is that it can be an effective tool in an arsenal of tools. Do you think there's no way to deal with a turtle guard or a butterfly guard? Does the fact that there IS make them trash? No.
travesham 1 year ago
@travesham @travesham well I am gonna go with what Marcelo Garcia, Roger Gracie, and Jacare. The 3 best p4p grapplers. and you can go with the rubber guard where there best grappler is Denny prokopos who hasn't even qualified for Abu Dhabi or the Mundials. The proof is there if rubber guard were any good than world champions would be using it. but there are just so many holes to exploit..
carlsongracieteam 1 year ago
@travesham well I am gonna go with what Marcelo Garcia, Roger Gracie, and Jacare. The 3 best p4p grapplers. and you can go with the rubber guard where there best grappler is Denny prokopos who hasn't even qualified for Abu Dhabi or the Mundials. The proof is there if rubber guard were any good than world champions would be using it. but there are just so many holes to exploit..
carlsongracieteam 1 year ago
@carlsongracieteam You do realize Prokopos has won the 2007 worlds no gi at brown belt? He just became a black belt in September of last year. I think he's like 22, he's going to improve, as will his usage of the RG. Again, you're still focusing on pure BJJ and ignoring most of the points I've made, especially in terms of MMA. In MMA the, guy with the most tools has the greatest advantage. You've listed one example of it not working in MMA, is it "proof" if I name examples of it being effective?
travesham 1 year ago
@travesham bro denny prokopos has never competed in the mundials ( bjj world championships) he competes at like GQ and naga bout as good as it gets for him dont believe go to his freakin website or youtube channel.
carlsongracieteam 1 year ago
@carlsongracieteam Don't believe it? There's articles about it and fucking video of it. Google is your friend BRO, look it up.
travesham 1 year ago
@travesham bro once again you look like a jackass.. HE COMPETED IN THE FILO WORLDS. NOT IN THE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS.... THE FILO WORLDS. FILO IS THE BRAZIL NAGA.... HAS NEVER GONE TO THE MUNDIALS. JESUS CHRIST. NOT ONLY ARE YOU STUPID BUT YOUR STUBBORN TO. THE FILO WORLDS IS JUST LIKE THE NAGA WORLDS. OR GQ. IT ISN'T THE MUNDIALS THOUGH I PROMISE. ONCE AGAIN YOUR A JACKASS.
carlsongracieteam 1 year ago
@carlsongracieteam Obviously you didn't google anything. I just put in "denny prokopos no gi mundials" and there's a list of pages, articles, interviews, pictures and a few videos. Don't promise anything, look it up. Look it up and tell me what you see. If you just don't want to believe it, that's on you fuckhole.
travesham 1 year ago
@travesham Once again he has never been to world champions just the filo mundials he went to in december. i just watched the mundials last weekend... and i can reassure you that denny prokopos was not competing. Marcelo won his 4th world championships and roger gracie won his 7th and also became the first person to submit every opponent at the worlds in the black belt division..
carlsongracieteam 1 year ago
@carlsongracieteam "To the right of the ring is a wrestling area, where Bobby Stack is working on his Jiu-Jitsu with trainer Denny Prokopos, the 2007 Jiu-Jitsu No Gi World Champion (Mundials) in the Brown Belt Category." Website from a San Fran Magazine.
"The 2007 No Gi Mundials were held in LA this past weekend and two of our teammates fought like lions. Denny Prokopos is the "World champion of the World" in his weight class in the Brown Belt division" fightandfitness com
What? Are these lies?
travesham 1 year ago
@travesham rofl brown belt division.... that isnt world champ not even close what a fucking joke. verse the best in the world denny would get fucking dominated me and you both know that. and he is 10th planets best grappler....
carlsongracieteam 1 year ago
@carlsongracieteam So, basically as far as you're concerned, EVERY BJJ practitioner who hasn't won the black belt Mundials by 22 is a joke? Even if he won at brown belt and took 3rd at black in 2009 at feather? (it's on ibjjf) Sounds to me like you only think he's trash because he doesn't use the style you've been training in. Do you think everyone at your gym is trash who hasn't WON black belt mundials?
travesham 1 year ago
@travesham yeah dude for being a system's best grappler and you cant even compete verse the best in the world representing the WHOLE FUCKING SYSTEM. I am gonna say it is trash. Absolutely. If it was the other way around and 10 planet jj had the best grapplers in the world and traditional didnt even have a world class grappler not 1 even though they have certified training centers all around the world. I would say traditional is trash but it isnt that way so...
carlsongracieteam 1 year ago
@carlsongracieteam There you go, ignore everything you don't have a response for and repeat points I've already addressed. 3rd Place Black Belt Mundials at age 22, how's that not competing? And he's the FIRST BLACKBELT OF THE ENTIRE SYSTEM. It's not as though there's generations of practitioners like with the Gracies, 10pjj is still developing as is Prokopos, again he's only 22. Besides, we're talking about using RG, not BECOMING 10pjj. I'm happy at Gracie Barra, I just like a full tool set
travesham 1 year ago
@travesham lol ok have fun using the rubber guard I hope you have fun with your multiple knee surgeries at 40 bye faggot.
carlsongracieteam 1 year ago
@carlsongracieteam Sure thing, you have fun choosing to limit your jits and being an ignorant fuckhole.
travesham 1 year ago
@travesham ok tell me this have you ever subbed anyone in a tourney using rubber guard? have you ever swept someone in mma or a tourney with rubber guard? have you ever seen an mma fighter finish someone from rubber guard? have you seen an mma fighter do anything with rubber guard besides breaking there opponents posture which you can do with a normal high guard while still have your hip movement and many more attacks. sorry gogoplatas, monoplatas,omaplatas dnt work and neither does rubber guard
carlsongracieteam 1 year ago
@carlsongracieteam Nope, but I don't compete all that much. I haven't subbed anyone with a darce in a tourney, does that mean that's trash too? You're getting a little bit ridiculous now. A gogo worked just fine for Diaz against Gomi. I've seen Aoki win a couple times by gogo as well. I've seen Sotiropoulos use RG and an omaplata against Stevenson. I saw Horwich use it effectively on McDonald (even though he went on to lose), who is generally considered to be the better grappler.
travesham 1 year ago
@travesham dude you will see rubber guard used to break down the guy but name a fight where the guy was finished from the rubber guard 1 legit professional fight. since there is such a following there has to be one pro fighter who has finished a fight with rg. and yeah diaz did use a gogo, but not from rg diaz is an amazing grappler and that is the only gogo ive ever seen in mma. and sotiropoulos didnt finish the fight with omoplata once again try again later.
carlsongracieteam 1 year ago
@carlsongracieteam I didn't say that Sotiropoulos finished the fight, just that he used two techniques that you claimed didn't work. As for a finish, watch Shinya Aoki vs Joachim Hansen. Rubber Guard 101. He takes mission control, reaching under his ankle, gets Joachim's hand on the mat and works the gogo. Also, I'm pretty sure I saw Imanari get a neck crank from an omoplata.
travesham 1 year ago
@travesham @travesham lol the omplata technique didnt work because he didnt finish the fight. and i said 1 legit pro fight aoki, (a top 10 lighweight) was fighting joachim hansen he had lost 3 in a row and isnt even fighting for a professional organization any more and joachim record is 19-10 when he fought a bunch of nobodies im talking 2 legit fighters both with at least decent skills on the ground. 2 fighter's whos name has been out there a little. not a guy who is washed up.
carlsongracieteam 1 year ago
@carlsongracieteam Do you even know what you're talking about anymore? First off, he was coming off a two fight WIN streak, not 3 losses. Hansen has wins over Cavalcante, Gomi, Yves Edwards, Imanari, and Uno, all solid wins for anybody. Hell, he's beaten Aoki before. Lot's of his losses are to guys like Sakurai, Kawajiri, Ribeiro, Alvares, Fernandes, and of course Aoki (twice). Which of these guys would you consider to be nobodies?
travesham 1 year ago
@travesham look at the year those fights were man. late 90's early 00's. he was an exceptional fighter. but when he fought and lost by gogoplata he was on a major down slope and not fighting the same level in competition. me and you both know that you can try to fire back but here it is plain and simple and u know it is true. very few fights have ever been finished from the rubber guard. no top 10 ranked fighter in any division has finished or been finished from the rg. (continue to next comment
carlsongracieteam 1 year ago
@carlsongracieteam Are you kidding me?His last fight right before he got gogoed was when he BEAT Aoki in 2008. The rubber match was the beginning of his 3 fight losing streak. MMA is different from BJJ because the guard isnt a neutral position. The guy on bottom will pretty much always lose on points. RG is one way you can break the posture, stop him from doing damage and you can go for subs, sweeps or throw elbows and strikes. Even if you didnt finish him, it would help on points in a decision.
travesham 1 year ago
@travesham bro there are no effective sweeps from rubber guard absolutely none. there is the stack attack which all you have to do is sprawlo and take there hips away to defend and there is a flower sweep which is nearly impossibe. from rubber guard you have a locoplata (never seen it effective) gogoplata (work 5 percent of the time) omoplata (works 10 percent of time can roll or simply jump across opponents body and land in side control. rubber just break the posture down. thats it.
carlsongracieteam 1 year ago
@travesham listen do you ever compete in bjj or grappling? if so what state or states are you able to compete in?
carlsongracieteam 1 year ago
@carlsongracieteam California, but I'm not about to compare credentials with some dude over the internet, especially when there's no way to verify. I've got to say that I'm pretty sick of you ignoring a whole plethora of points that you have no response for. You say something, I tell you why it's false and you move on to something else. The fact that you picked up on this conversation a month later just shows your insecurity on the matter. Bottom line: MMA is about having tools, RG = one tool.
travesham 1 year ago
@travesham wrong, everytime i hit you with a point you dont have any defense i say when you use rg it takes a way all hip movement= true, when you use rg you have only about 4 subs all have very low success rate=true. no one bjj champion has ever implemented the rg=true, 10th planet jj never had any success in major tournaments=true, No high level bjj players use rubber guard absolutely none, don't you think there is a reason for that. your stubborn and dont want to admit rg is almost useless...
carlsongracieteam 1 year ago
@carlsongracieteam Yes, it takes away hip movement.Congrats, youve pointed out that its not perfect which I never said it was. Youre clearly too dense to understand the whole ideal of a tool set. I already said its more useful in MMA than in BJJ. I constantly remind you that Im talking about its uses in MMA as was the guy who you originally responded to, which you've shown limited knowledge of. Im almost tempted to say you're a very elaborate troll, its really that bad. I'm done with you asshat.
travesham 1 year ago
@travesham ifc if you think im an elaborate troll or anything else but i just pointed out 5 major reasons why the rg doesnt work for anything except breaking your opponent down and all you could say was "oh you dont understand a toolset your an elaberate troll. wow good call way to defend the rg that made me a believer many technical reasons why the rg works.... man your one intelligent person.
carlsongracieteam 1 year ago
@travesham and no bjj world champions have ever used the rubber guard. the rubber guard does really nothing but break your opponents posture down and it takes away all hip movement (which is everything in bjj). you can catch very few submissions that have low success rates from it. why not just use a traditional high guard which does the same thing but then you have all the same submissions plus many many more armbars, triangles, ezekiels. etc. eddie bravo is making bank of you idiots.its a scam
carlsongracieteam 1 year ago
@carlsongracieteam i have to agree with you, rubber guard works good against people who dont know whats going on, as a blue belt i held my own with a brown belt under the 10th planet bjj.
admbjj 1 year ago
@admbjj yeah the only thing rubber guard is good for is breaking down your opponent. which i completely agree it does that well. but you will never see a high level grappler or mma fighter be tapped from rubber guard, or swept from rubber guard. there posture will be broken down that is it. and eddie promotes his students to black belts after 3 years. guys who train with a gi are a blue or a low level purple after 3 years... joe rogan is a brown belt and would get killed against a purple...
carlsongracieteam 1 year ago
boring!!!
hoppy760 2 years ago
Thanks for the upload.
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