this method is working fine for me but even when i save it as a patch...everytime i load a new sample onto one of the pads it resets the pan knob back to the middle and also changes the output back to master fx?
why is this and is there a way around this? its really annoying, haha.
Queston, what is the advantage of using the mixer in this way? Can you do everything in terms of levels, panning, etc. in Kong it self. Plus you have the master and bus fx to use in stead of a send effect through the mixer. Thanks,
@hiphopblues Well one advantage would be the EQ from the mixer directly. And if you have Record, then you gain access to the Big SSL Mixer, which means a whole world of compression, filtering, etc. that you wouldn't get with Kong alone. Though, of course you could feed in some M Class devices into the Kong signal chain, but then you couldn't get the per-drum settings unless you split the outputs. . . which leads right back to where we started. Again, this is only one method among many. Cheers!
@hiphopblues Oh and one other advantage... Parallel compression. Sure you can set up 2 of the same drums on 2 different pads, link them, compress one, adjust levels and go, but then you are stealing 2 pads for one drum sound. So I would think parallel compression is easier on a main mixer. So there's advantage #2.
Actually, it is possible to use all 16 output channels.
It actually follows the logic of analog mixers. If in this case, our bass drum was panned hard left in kong it would only go out through output 3. Snare drum panned hard right would go through output 4 etc.etc.
Of course this only makes sense if samples are mono, which most of the time they are. Therefore there is no need to use up a stereo channel for a mono sound.
@taba83 aum... yeah. I already said exactly how to do this in a previous post on this video. But thanks for explaining it again. lol. :-) Seriously though, of course you can do all 16 outputs mono (pan 1 hard left and 2 hard right, yadda yadda yadda. That's what makes Reason such a great tool.
Nothing is wrong using the main L/R out as an 8th channel (see my first comment to BFLATINUM below). However, it's important to note that there is a different signal flow for the Master L/R outputs than there is for the direct outputs. Direct outputs go after the FX 1 & FX 2 modules directly out (unless you use the Bus FX knob). Whereas the Master L/R output go to the bus and master FX modules after FX2. Just keep that in mind when using direct vs master L/R outputs.
@Phisequence one more question. is there a way for the bus fx to go through the direct out instead of the master l/r? or is it impossible w/o a mixer?
I know this is 5 months old, but thanks for the tutorial. I been searching for a way to route each Kong pad to individual channels, as is shown in this video. I also wanted to be able to have Redrum trigger each pad since I like using the Matrix Pattern Sequencer for its ease of use. So what I did was: after doing what you showed in the video, I created a Redrum (which auto routed to ch. 1 in the mixer, then routed the cv outs, individually, from Redrum to the cv ins to Kong ...it works!!
@TaoOfOkada (continued) Unfortunately, 7 channels is still all that can be done unless you reconfigure the Kong to mono. I'm wondering, in your estimation, is going to mono such a bad idea or should I keep it stereo? Thanks in advance...
@TaoOfOkada Personally, I don't think it's a bad thing to have your drums in Mono. Though some may disagree. If you really want them in stereo, there's lots of ways to do it, but you can just use multiple Kongs, each with 7 stereo drums in them. In other words, just use 7 pads per Kong. It shouldn't affect things that much. But the mono setup would work just fine in my honest opinion.
Hey bro i sent a message to your inbox before seeing this video. It was just as i thought where u can only do a certain amount of outputs. Shame really. Looks like its going to be a DOUBLE KONG every time i make a song. Pain in the ass but at least thats something.
@VINYLSAMURAIS I just responded to your message in your inbox. You CAN hookup every drum separately, but you can only do this monophonically, as opposed to stereo. To do that, 2 drum modules are assigned to each output pair (drum module 1 &2 to 3-4 pair for example). Then pan drum 1 fully left and drum 2 fully right. Then send the audio output 3-4 to their own mixer channels. Keep doing this for every drum channel (drum 15 & 16 will need a second mixer). That's how you do it.
@BFLATINUM Well true. It seems like a lot of aspects of the new devices are somewhat semi-complete. However, 7 (or 8 if you count the direct outs) is still pretty good. And if you need more drums set up this way, just create a new Kong device and you're all set. For that matter, create as many as you like and you're off to the races. So on that count, it doesn't really make much difference if there's 1 stereo pair or 16. Just takes a little time setting up initially.
thanks for the info ,, right down to the point ,short and brief
DIRTROAD487 2 weeks ago
@DIRTROAD487 No problem. Glad I could help.
Phisequence 1 week ago
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BLAZINBEATS123 1 month ago
hello, can you please answer this question?
this method is working fine for me but even when i save it as a patch...everytime i load a new sample onto one of the pads it resets the pan knob back to the middle and also changes the output back to master fx?
why is this and is there a way around this? its really annoying, haha.
cheers man.
MMLs27 3 months ago
@MMLs27 Nope. no way around this. sorry.
Phisequence 3 months ago
Queston, what is the advantage of using the mixer in this way? Can you do everything in terms of levels, panning, etc. in Kong it self. Plus you have the master and bus fx to use in stead of a send effect through the mixer. Thanks,
Hiphopblues
hiphopblues 6 months ago
@hiphopblues Well one advantage would be the EQ from the mixer directly. And if you have Record, then you gain access to the Big SSL Mixer, which means a whole world of compression, filtering, etc. that you wouldn't get with Kong alone. Though, of course you could feed in some M Class devices into the Kong signal chain, but then you couldn't get the per-drum settings unless you split the outputs. . . which leads right back to where we started. Again, this is only one method among many. Cheers!
Phisequence 6 months ago
@hiphopblues Oh and one other advantage... Parallel compression. Sure you can set up 2 of the same drums on 2 different pads, link them, compress one, adjust levels and go, but then you are stealing 2 pads for one drum sound. So I would think parallel compression is easier on a main mixer. So there's advantage #2.
Phisequence 6 months ago
Actually, it is possible to use all 16 output channels.
It actually follows the logic of analog mixers. If in this case, our bass drum was panned hard left in kong it would only go out through output 3. Snare drum panned hard right would go through output 4 etc.etc.
Of course this only makes sense if samples are mono, which most of the time they are. Therefore there is no need to use up a stereo channel for a mono sound.
Thanks for the video, though. It helped me.
taba83 7 months ago
@taba83 aum... yeah. I already said exactly how to do this in a previous post on this video. But thanks for explaining it again. lol. :-) Seriously though, of course you can do all 16 outputs mono (pan 1 hard left and 2 hard right, yadda yadda yadda. That's what makes Reason such a great tool.
Phisequence 7 months ago
What's wrong with using the main L/R out as an 8th channel?
thesquirr3l 8 months ago
@thesquirr3l
Nothing is wrong using the main L/R out as an 8th channel (see my first comment to BFLATINUM below). However, it's important to note that there is a different signal flow for the Master L/R outputs than there is for the direct outputs. Direct outputs go after the FX 1 & FX 2 modules directly out (unless you use the Bus FX knob). Whereas the Master L/R output go to the bus and master FX modules after FX2. Just keep that in mind when using direct vs master L/R outputs.
Phisequence 8 months ago
@Phisequence Cool. Thanks for the response! Thanks for the videos, they are very helpful.
thesquirr3l 8 months ago
@Phisequence one more question. is there a way for the bus fx to go through the direct out instead of the master l/r? or is it impossible w/o a mixer?
thesquirr3l 8 months ago
Awesome. Thanks bro.
ever202reyes 8 months ago
I know this is 5 months old, but thanks for the tutorial. I been searching for a way to route each Kong pad to individual channels, as is shown in this video. I also wanted to be able to have Redrum trigger each pad since I like using the Matrix Pattern Sequencer for its ease of use. So what I did was: after doing what you showed in the video, I created a Redrum (which auto routed to ch. 1 in the mixer, then routed the cv outs, individually, from Redrum to the cv ins to Kong ...it works!!
TaoOfOkada 11 months ago
@TaoOfOkada (continued) Unfortunately, 7 channels is still all that can be done unless you reconfigure the Kong to mono. I'm wondering, in your estimation, is going to mono such a bad idea or should I keep it stereo? Thanks in advance...
TaoOfOkada 11 months ago
@TaoOfOkada Personally, I don't think it's a bad thing to have your drums in Mono. Though some may disagree. If you really want them in stereo, there's lots of ways to do it, but you can just use multiple Kongs, each with 7 stereo drums in them. In other words, just use 7 pads per Kong. It shouldn't affect things that much. But the mono setup would work just fine in my honest opinion.
Phisequence 11 months ago
Hey bro i sent a message to your inbox before seeing this video. It was just as i thought where u can only do a certain amount of outputs. Shame really. Looks like its going to be a DOUBLE KONG every time i make a song. Pain in the ass but at least thats something.
Thanks !
VINYLSAMURAIS 1 year ago
@VINYLSAMURAIS I just responded to your message in your inbox. You CAN hookup every drum separately, but you can only do this monophonically, as opposed to stereo. To do that, 2 drum modules are assigned to each output pair (drum module 1 &2 to 3-4 pair for example). Then pan drum 1 fully left and drum 2 fully right. Then send the audio output 3-4 to their own mixer channels. Keep doing this for every drum channel (drum 15 & 16 will need a second mixer). That's how you do it.
Phisequence 1 year ago
Sad that Kong doesn't have stereo out for all the pads like the ReDrum does.
BFLATINUM 1 year ago
@BFLATINUM Well true. It seems like a lot of aspects of the new devices are somewhat semi-complete. However, 7 (or 8 if you count the direct outs) is still pretty good. And if you need more drums set up this way, just create a new Kong device and you're all set. For that matter, create as many as you like and you're off to the races. So on that count, it doesn't really make much difference if there's 1 stereo pair or 16. Just takes a little time setting up initially.
Phisequence 1 year ago