Agreed, Nelson, the larger displacement motor is the optimal choice in the sand car where you jump on and off the throttle. That is coming from someone that has a supercharged 372cu.in. Hemi, cams, etc. (561rwhp) and a 182c.u. 2JZ Supra (844rwhp without NOS). The 2JZ is forged by God himself to run 1000whp with stock internals but it is meant for a street car.
<personally own an import,hate me for it,but when it comes 2 Bad Ass muscle cars this guy Tom Nelson Runs SHYT.im growing out of the import scene daily i think mostly the bitch ass people that are in the "import scene need to wake the fuck up and admit they put so much money into something that has been done 10 million times as apposed to these classic beauties Mr Nelson deals with,not only would i want this man to work on my car i wish he would help me make it what every import guyhatesMUSCLE
Your wrong on both I NEVER said you said anything like that its just how people act [NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU] I was making a statement that when people talk about cost I bring up the Lambo videos because many fans of import cars [NOT SAYING YOU] like to talk a lot of BS about how a highly modded import car beat a rich persons car and then they brag about it,. Now you don't have to agree with me but to call someone an idiot based ONLY on a different opinion was real STUPID for real.
Your not embarrassing a Nelson car trust me on that and that's why you NEVER EVER see imports even try to Race a Nelson rocket ship. I will also keep your comment in mind the next time I see a highly modded import car race a bone stock Lambo. The driver of the Lambo has a better chance of getting struck by lightning then being able to beat the highly modded import car Wait its fair because the import car won LOL. that's what gets me the most it's ONLY okay if the import car wins
Maybe i'm wrong but In the real world where most people don't have more than a few bucks to put on there car small engines are much more affordable to boost. Plus out of personal experience its fun embarrassing a big v8 with a 3.0L straight six or a 2.0L 4 banger! On top of all that i do live in New Brunswick Canada and that much power+ rwd is pretty much suicide. Most people that want to go fast around here just get a Subaru WRX STi... Regardless love the videos they make me smile every time!!
@Annotation722 Your not embarrassing a Nelson car trust me on that and that's why you NEVER EVER see imports even try to Race a Nelson rocket ship. I will also keep your comment in mind the next time I see a highly modded import car race a bone stock Lambo. The driver of the Lambo has a better chance of getting struck by lightning then being able to beat the highly modded import car Wait its fair because the import car won LOL. that's what gets me the most it's ONLY okay if the import car wins
@pyro74boy Either you didn't read what i said or your don't understand what you read. I never said it's only ok for the import to win and i never said that i could ever beat nelson racing engines powered cars honestly if i could afford it i would buy that shit in a heart beat! Regardless have a nice day LOOOL idiot!
@Annotation722 Your wrong on both I NEVER said you said anything like that its just how people act [NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU] I was making a statement that when people talk about cost I bring up the Lambo videos because many fans of import cars [NOT SAYING YOU] like to talk a lot of BS about how a highly modded import car beat a rich persons car and then they brag about it,. Now you don't have to agree with me but to call someone an idiot based ONLY on a different opinion was real STUPID for real.
No doubt about it Mr Nelson you make some of the best engine application ever made. Never once did I dispute anything about your wonderful work especially when the topic efficiency came up. I think ANYONE who disputes your efficiency needs to do their homework on nelson racing engines. Thank you Tom Nelson YOUR THE VERY BEST.
You guys really need your own show on the velocity channel!!!!!!!! like with those other shows like west coast customs, and mecum auto auctions, chasing classic cars etc.
my comment was ment for Mr Nelson not for you . I'mu allowed to defend myself especially when it has been Mr Nelson I have been defending all along . Its also nice to.see.that he agrees witb me and not with you. Mr Nelson even has issues with your commets so take a hint and get lost
No doubt about it Mr Nelson you make some of the best engine application ever made. Never once did I dispute anything about your wonderful work especially when the topic efficiency came up. I think ANYONE who disputes your efficiency needs to do their homework on nelson racing engines. Thank you Tom Nelson YOUR THE VERY BEST.
@pyro74boy Man, you are STILL missing the whole point, even Tom says and I quote "4 valve motors have more valve area and will be able to run high rpm to feed the cylinder in turn Tq times rpm equals hp so they tend if designed right to make more hp" EXACTLY what I was trying to explain to your stuborn ass lol. For classes where generally speaking the most hp per ci wins, nothing to do with engine size or max power figures, Jap engines quite often do better. I hope you get it now :-)
Shame when a good video gets screwed up with comments. Tom i know you like your comments but to save arguments might be best to disable comments :/. Anyway love your videos, keep up the work.
@danielBmxrider I'm more than happy for all of my comments and all of the comments related to them to be removed, in fact I think its the best thing, it was never the intension to get out of hand like this, I have great respect fro what Tom does, just some guys need to realise in some forms of drag racing for example, a massive american V8 is not always the way to win and if "some" didn't insist that the only way to do well is with a big V8 none of this would have happened.
But not more torque your not going to get more torque at 3k with a 182 than you will wil a 427 its that simple.Use whats best for the Application Ive heard these supra this supra that for years it amazes . ive built a bunch of them they are a great engine they are in a street car looking at 1000 + hp in my opinion not anywhere near as streetable or as reliable and areLaggy its not a smooth drivable package you cannot replace the cubes .Please stop the Ranting back and forth
Anyways im commenting because shit let these agruments end.The Sand car that engine is in would suck with a laggy 182 with a huge 88 or larger turbo you need torque now not later so to me this is a way better choice.I Build alll sorts of engines 4 valves 5 valves 2 valves it just a matter of what fits the application.4 valve motors have more valve area and will be able to run high rpm to feed the cylinder in turn Tq times rpm equals hp so they tend if designed right to make more hp.
Wrong I have more than enough proof proving you wrong on the Nelson websiteI encourage you to go to that website where there is more than enough proof proving my point . What would be the point of me going to one of your videos when all your going to do is delete my comments? . go to nelson website and then tell me I don't know what the word efficiency means.
WOW @RIPSNZ is still on here posting his GARBAGE about import cars [STILL CRYING] More then a few people are LAUGHING at him and his stupid comments. Vote up if you feel that @RIPSNZ is a fool for posting nonsense GARBAGE. Nothing wrong with a person with in opinion but when I person goes on a video spamming about how a Nelson motor is not as efficient as a import motor is just plan STUPID. This person needs to go back to his import videos where I'm sure his buddy's will agree with him .
@pyro74boy I was actually having a great discussion with TheofficialKC and if you took the time to read all the posts you'd see quite a few people agree with what I'm saying. I didn't start the whole efficiency thing, I've just been involved in discussing it. Your right though, its not apropriate for Toms great video as I am in fact a big fan of what he does. When it comes to what type of motor makes more hp per liter and how easily each type can do it, we'll just have to agree to dissagree.
@RIPSNZ My only issue with you is how you talk down Mr Nelson with NO PROOF to support any of your claims and if you would take the time to see that there are also quite a few people who don't agree with you. I just think its so funny that a Jap import person still goes on these none import videos talking smack about a jap motor being more efficient vs Mr Nelson and his award winning work. Go back to watching the jap videos where I'm sure your import buddy's will agree with everything you say.
@pyro74boy I have never talked down Mr Nelson, as I said I have great respect for what he does and what a big turbo V8 pushrod engine can do and you continue to say I'm saying otherwise. I have plenty of proof of 250-450hp per liter engines that I have built, maybe if you read some of the replies I have given to TheofficalKC you would see that. there's no point going on about anything anymore, this is not the place but don't say I'm full of crap, my trophy cabinet says otherwise I assure you
@RIPSNZ Until you show me proof of your jap import car passing up a Nelson car you have NO PROOF it's just your opinion because your comments about a jap import car being more efficient vs Nelsons award winning work are just plan STUPID. You may have great respect for what he does but you have a very funny way of showing it, You need to understand that when someone such as yourself is going to run your mouth about a Nelson motor that I will defend Nelson because I know him better then you do.
@pyro74boy Your not understanding the difference between hp & efficiency. its nothing to do with a jap powered car beating a Nelson powered car, Of course the Nelson car with an engine around twice the size is going to have the advantage, thats a no brainer but that doesn't make the bigger engine more efficient, it just means the bigger motor may make more power. Its not right to carry on here, go to one of my video's and comment there and I'll explain it so you can understand if you like.
@RIPSNZ and your not understanding the difference between saying you respect someone like Mr Nelson and then talking about how much more efficient a jap motor is vs Tom Nelsons award winning work that's not respecting him like it or not he has won MANY awards based on guess what just how efficient his motors really are regardless of what you think I just the experts opinions more then someone like you who goes on a video such as this one posting this kind of GARBAGE because this is all you do.
@pyro74boy Saying a jap motor can be made to be more efficient than a Nelson motor is no disrespect to him at all. He may have won efficiency awards when comaring his pushrod V8s against other pushrod V8s but that doesn't mean they are the more efficient than many other types of enignes. Your not willing to open your mind and hear anything anyone is telling you, like I say its easy to explain but you obviously don't want to know, go to one of my vids and comment or are you too stuborn?
@RIPSNZ It Is quite clear to me that regardless of what you think or say that you don't know Mr Nelson for real man listen to yourself for once and take the time to look at all the awards that Mr Nelson has won [NOT ASKING FOR YOUR OPINION] He is the leader and EVERYONE else follows and if your to dumb to understand this then that's your issue not mine. Hell I know of some import guys that would even agree that Nelson is the best and that's why some import owners have had work done by Nelson.
@pyro74boy So your saying if I got a big twin turbo push rod V8 that runs on C16 from Tom or whoever else and put it into my drag car and entered the drag racing class I run in where I race against big V8s all the time, your saying without question I would be more likely to win races with his engine than I am with my 182ci jap engine? No more talk here, its being rude, go to one of my vids and answer, please don't reply on this vid anymore. cheers
@RIPSNZ What I'm saying is it's quite clear to me that even though you say you know who Nelson is your comments read otherwise and I'm not the only person who feels this way about you for real. It's stupid of you to comment on this video when I know I'm not the only one who feels this way. You have the right to your opinion but all anyone has to do is go to the Nelson racing website for proof proving you wrong on EVERYTHING you say about Nelson Racing so don't tell me not to comment you fool.
@pyro74boy Its rude to comment any further on Toms video, you have your opinion, I have mine, I know what I'm saying is true and I've offered to PROVE it to you many times but this is not the place, comment on one of my video's and I'll happily explain what I'm saying in a way you'll understand. If your so sure your right you'll have nothing to lose will ya.........all you have to do is click on my name and comment on a video........c ya soon....
@RIPSNZ How dare you say that it's rude for me to comment on this Video when all I have done is defend Tom Nelson. Your the one who is being rude and many people agree with me about you and your biased comments about Nelson racing. You claim that you like him but your comments say otherwise It's people like you that make me hate on import cars in the first place.If you want to stop then you can start right now DON'T REPLY BACK because I know how you feel so do us all a favor and get lost.
@RIPSNZ Also before you declare yourself the winner I have more then enough proof proving EVERYTHING you have said wrong you wont even take the time to go to the Nelson racing website because you know me and MANY OTHERS can quote many things from that site about how much more efficient Nelson racing engines are compared to your import junk. You talk about people being rude so why don't you take your own advice and stop running your mouth on this video we all know how you feel about this for...
@pyro74boy Hahaha, didn't think you'd have the balls to discuss this elsewhere, you got nothing, you never have, you never will or you would have taken me up to prove me wrong. I've been to the Nelson sight many times thank you and as I have said a million times, HE DOES GREAT WORK AND I"M NOT KNOCKING HIS WORK AT ALL SO STOP SAYING I AM. your missing the whole point entirely as you clearly don't even know what efficiency means or what results would make one efficient than another. BYE.
@RIPSNZ Enough of the Craziness.Efficiency is a double edged sword yes a 182 ci supra motor can make hp but youll have to spin it to make the power.Theres always a trade off.Nothing on earth is going to make your 182 come on and make torque like this 427 you cant replace the cubes its just how it is.Youll trade low speed tq and hp for high speed its possible to make 1600+hp with it but your probally going to need to wind it up to 10k So what is Efficiency in youe eyes ?
@nelsonracingengines I don't know about anyone else but I have never doughted how quickly this 427 could make torque, I know it would be brutal and in the application its perfectly suited. Efficiency to me is being able to run low 7s in a 2000lb car with about a quart of petrol per run, being able to win a championship with a Nissan 6cyl on Q16 against big blown V8s on meth in a kg per liter class, having
8hp per ci last 3 seasons with an oil change and 1 set of plugs. Just need more cubes!!!
@AdangerousRETARD I'm not interested in going back and forth as its been done to death and if some guys don't want to face facts thats their problem, I LOVE Nelsons engines and other big american turbo enignes but for the record, Even the very best american big cube turbo, made from scratch, purpose built drag engines (as in the 4000hp+ ones) don't make as much hp per cubic inch as its easy to make with a reliable jap street engine on petrol. FACT. and thats all my point has ever been.
@RIPSNZ actually those "purpose built drag ones" like top fuel cars have make in excess of 8500hp. of course thats because of the fuel though. and those "reliable jap street engines" that are running who knows how much psi have a life of like 10,000 miles before the need a rebuild. as far as power goes a larger engine with more cylinders has an advantage.
@AdangerousRETARD I said purpose built TURBO V8s that run on race gas or meth so it was a more fair comparisson. 10,000 miles from an engine that makes 6-7+hp per cubic inch is extreemly good I would have thought? I'd imagine the big turbo drag V8s making similar hp per ci would get rebuilt around every 20-30 miles? You are right though, as far as outright power goes in a class where you don't have to carry X amount of lbs per cubic inch, a less efficient (per ci) big V8 is the way to go.
@claas90017 I'm not a heter either, I LOVE big turbo V8s and they are well suited to sand and anywhere you need alot of torque, just some guys think they are the ultimate in engines fullstop. They make alot of power due to the their size and if their was a 427 cubic inch V8 with jap technology it would easily make the same power at lower boost its just common sense. When you have to drag race with weight based only on your engine size (as I do) the big V8s dont stand a chance, I have proven that
@McDougal51 257 hp per liter is NOTHING compared to what even a 20+ year old jap enigne can easily do. I run 25 year old STOCK blocks, stock cranks, a 23 year old head design, on petrol and make 450+hp per liter and the motors last years at a National competition level. Hell even my daily driver street engines on normal pump gas can make 300hp+ per liter with ease. These big V8s are cool and they make alot of power but not through being particularly efficient thats for sure, just through size.
** I mean compared to the Japanese engines that are argued over, American engines were designed alot earlier. So comparing, say a 2JZ and a small-block Chevy is like comparing a cassette-tape and an ipod lol. I am a fan of many Japanese cars myself, but not all American v8's are 'old and inefficient'. The ls-series is a good example
Also, when you're comparing "old dinosaur v8's" to Japanese engines, you cant be talking about LSX based engines. They are among some of the most efficient AND high hp/torque producing engines around, and the most popular choice for an engine swap in just about every application, INCLUDING imports. Can't say that about a jap engine. Also, you have to consider that the "dinosaur" SBC came out in the 50's LONG BEFORE any jap competition was even around. Cars / car engines were BORN in America
Since this is a sand vehicle video I will add this to the argument of jap vs. American- As a desert racing enthusiast from southern Cali, I will tell you that in our sport of desert racing, we don't measure our di*ks in HP alone but also in torque, and thats something that import engines do NOT offer as compared to American. You don't see any race trucks or even prerunners running jap engines. Even in sandrails, the only alternative used are Subaru engines, and they are not Japanese.
I like cars. Yall always miss the point. There is no fucking better. You have what you have. If you have loyalist tunnel vision then you're a fucking retard and thats true in every instance since the wheel became round.
@perfectdiversion Nissan VK56 is all alloy, quad cam, 6 bolt mains, great heads and valve gear, just be good if the japs did a 7-8 liter V8 with the same technology, I see Nelsons 500in quad cam V8 hasn't been talked about for quite some time, I wonder whats happening with that?
that's your opinion but I completely disagree when you say they're not efficient . it's quite clear to me you have no idea who nelson really is or I would not even be having this conversation with you .why do you think there is no videos of high horsepower supras racing nelson cars ?. it's because the owners of the supra know all too well what the results of the race would be . not saying that import cars are not fast but they're not nelson and they never will be
@pyro74boy I know who Nelson is and about the great work he does, don't worry about that. I said his engines are not AS efficient as a typical small jap engine. Efficiency means power per ci or power derived from a certain amount of fuel. I run low 7s on 1.5 liters of petrol in a 2000lb car with 182ci, I'd like to see a big V8 in 2000lb run low 7s with just 1.5 liters of petrol. Nelsons engines perform well due to cubes, not particularly high efficiency, fact.
@RIPSNZ I completely disagree with you when you say they're not as efficient as a jap engine and so will anyone that has ever had work done by him. you say you know who he is but you don't know him like I do because people go to him based on how efficient his engines really are. Check out the video of the nelson made supra and how unreliable the 2JZ was when compared to a chevy 427 v8.there are plenty of fast import cars
but none of them will match a nelson made cars in my opinion
@pyro74boy your obviously not reading my posts properly. Toms engines possibly are efficient when comapred to other similar engines, but you can't say they are more efficient than a jap engine that can easily make twice as much hp per ci, thats just plain silly. I race against guys who think like you and who have big V8s that make good power for what they are, but I have the championship title, not them. When you race in lb per ci (or kg per liter) classes jap motors are WAY ahead, period.
@MajorMajor34 wrong, I do not use a 2jz. Not efficient? Show me an american V8 on petrol that can reliably make 8hp per cubic inch. Then show me that engine race and win at National competition level and have nothing done to it other than oil changes and a set of spark plugs in 3 years...............aint gunna happen sorry.
@RIPSNZ You live a fairy tale what engine do you use ? an at the end of the day jap engines dont win an its plenty of effficent engines in america you need to do research
@RIPSNZ And your obviously not reading my posts properly because just try to tell ANYONE who really has had work done by Nelson that a Jap motor is more efficent vs a Nelson motor they will laugh at you bro I guarantee it I would even be willing to put money on it as well and any sane person will agree. Nelson is second to NONE regardless of what you think or say and his work speaks for itself. Check out the Nelson racing for proof of his award winning work for real because you don't know him
@pyro74boy no worries, you believe what you like, try finding out what efficiency actually means and you might get my point. I AGREE Toms engines are good and possibly very efficient for what they are but I'm sure even Tom would tell you a small japanese engine is far more efficient ci for ci or for per gallon of fuel used, its common knowledge and common sense (once again, find out what efficient really means) but if you know otherwise thats fine.
@RIPSNZ try finding out what efficiency actually means? Why don't we take a poll right now to see how many people are laughing at your comments? for real because your comments make NO SENSE hell I even know of some import fans who would even laugh and what about the fact that even import fans have had Nelson work on their cars so this goes against EVERYTHING, you have already said. If you asked Mr Nelson what he things about this he would say what in the hell are you smoking LOL. GET REAL MAN
@pyro74boy Ring Tom and tell him you need to run 7s on petrol in a street car with one of his big V8s and your only allowed to use 1 US quart of petrol per run to do it, I bet he would say your dreaming, We all know if you have a big engine you can make big power but that doesn't make the motor efficient and thats where your getting confused. Efficiency is HP per ci with a given amount of fuel, can you make a bulletproof 8hp per ci on petrol with a 427? (thats 3400hp) we boith know you can't.
@RIPSNZ Yes you have confirmed to me that you have NO IDEA what your talking about as your comments speak for themselves. You need to take a look at video proof proving EVERYTHING you say wrong like I don't know maybe the 2000HP camaro daily driver and the fastest street car 2000 hp 1963 Pontiac LeMans that can run 7's that was running on the street the videos of these cars are right here on youtube so before you run your mouth again look at these videos because you make NO sense FOR REAL.
@pyro74boyForget it, your blind to what I'm saying. I know about the cars you said, and I have seen the vids and they do go good but they have massive engines, thats the whole point, anyone can make big power with a big motor that does NOT mean they are efficient but you keep missing that point., I ran 7s in a street car with 182ci 6 cylinder on petrol and now beat big V8s with ease in the class of racing I do here, so much so they tried to ban my car! hp per ci wins in our classes,
@RIPSNZ I'm not blind but obviously you are. Oh and since you like to talk about small motors so much check out what Mr Nelson did too a V6. This you cant drive this kind of power on the street shit don't work anymore thanks to MR Nelson. Also there are many others laughing at you as I have been reading what others think about your opinion and these are not fanboys these are people who like both Jap and U S made cars so take your comments else where like maybe to a jap car video.
@pyro74boy No problem, you got me all wrong, I LOVE what Tom does and I KNOW his engines are awesome and you obviously are never going to want to hear anything that goes against whats imbedded in your brain from a lifetime of typical american brainwashing. Google what engine efficiency means, ring Tom and ask him, he's not so ignorant that he wouldn't know exactly what I'm talking about. have fun with what you like and I'll have fun winning against guys just like you!!! thanks for the laughs.
@RIPSNZ Where's your proof? We are laughing because we have never seen a jap motor that can make the same hp/L as a american pushrod V8 and still be reliable and daily driveable. If you were so badass you would have your own shop like this and videos to prove it. And if you were really that good and could build the motors you say you probably wouldn't be commenting on youtube.
@TheOfficialKC Before you make silly comments why not try clicking on my user name, there's several video's there showing my 182 cubic inch 300-450hp per liter engines which run on petrol doing 7s in a 3000lb street car and 7.2s in a 2000lb car. I do have my own shop, I do build my own engines, I do have several National drag records (current national champion for my class) all gained by competing against and beating american pushrod V8 powered cars and I don't talk crap.
@RIPSNZ And your videos prove nothing. So a purpose built drag car with a purpose built drag engine can run 7s quarters. Impressive in any sense, but I have seen 60s muscle cars with built V8s do that.
And it doesn't prove the whole point. A streetable, reliable powerplant, making big power on low octane fuel.
If you want to compare hp/L in a drag race sense, a big American V8 TF makes 1000hp/L.
@TheOfficialKC the engine in the 240z and the FED are water cooled street engines running on petrol, I just happened to put them into chassis that could use the power, these engines last 3 years at 1400hp with oil changes and plugs only, not bad from 182ci I'm sure you'd agree? (thats like 3400hp from a 427 on petrol)
as for TF on Nitro (which I love btw), a F1 engine 20-30 years ago made 1500hp per liter on far inferior fuel with similar boost with many 100s times the life expectancy.
@TheOfficialKC Being serious here and discussing this because we all love engines, can you give me an example of how much power a reliable daily drivable, normal pump gas american pushrod V8 with turbo's of say 427ci might be? 800hp? 1000hp? 1200hp? I'm talking reliable for 10s of 1000s of street miles with oil changes only.
@RIPSNZ The SSC V8 makes 1287hp on 91 octane and is only 387.2 ci(6.35L). That is 203hp/L, very easy to drive on the street, low end torque, smooth, idles good and doesn't overheat. That is a mere 14psi and very small turbo lag.
NRE has a 427 making 1100hp on 91 and 1500+hp on race fuel and will last 10s of 1000s of miles with only oil changes.
@TheOfficialKC ok thats great, as a comparison, I build a 182ci straight 6 that on normal pump gas, low boost, as a daily driver, super smooth, idle nice etc runs 750hp, thats 250hp per liter all day long. On race gas in a fully streetable application we effortlessly run 1000hp, thats 330hp per liter and in a race situation the same street engine does 1400hp and lasted 3 years at National competition level with oil changes and plugs, thats 466hp per liter.
@RIPSNZ Where can i see these engines you talk about? Website? Reviews? Street driving videos? Etc. I don't see how you could build a 330hp/L engine that will last and be street friendly. In any type of engine. Also something to remember is it is easier to get higher hp/L from smaller engines then bigger ones.
@TheOfficialKC For sure its easier to make more hp/liter from a smaller engine. All these discussions started because some people were saying a big 2 valve pushrod V8 is more efficient than a small 4 valve dohc jap engine which simply isn't the case as its easy to make more hp per liter from a small jap enigne at the same boost with the same fuel etc. Check my vids, there's a few of my cars on there and 250-330hp per liter is a very common and reliable street package we do
@RIPSNZ One more thing. Why do no supercar manufacturers use this tech if it is so great? If a 3L I6 can 750hp why not use that instead of a 6.2L V8? If your claims are true, you should build one. If it actually works you could have a small, lightweight supercar. A 750hp car the size and weight of a Lotus Elise.
@TheOfficialKC Nearly every modern supercar manufactuer DOES use 4 valve, dohc and efi and some of their engines are getting bigger (like Lambo) meaning with turbos etc they are easily making big power, its very rare to see a supercar use a pushrod V8. Keep in mind, just because you don't see things in the states so much, doesn't mean it aint happening, there's a big wide world out there man.
@TheOfficialKC NRE's 427 on race gas at 1500hp is around 217hp per liter which is still far less than a small jap enigne running the same if not lower boost will make on pump gas. I have great respect for big turbo V8s, don;t get me wrong, they are awesome due to their sheer size but for racing where you have to carry X amount of kg per liter of engine size the guy who makes the most hp per liter usually wins and thats not the pushrod V8 guys unfortunatly.
@RIPSNZ The main reason I doubt what you say is I have never seen something like you claim. From aftermarket to supercars. I have seen high hp/L imports but they are usually high strung, tons of boost/lag, no low end torque, not good street engines. And in supercars I see consistently that pushrods make more power and weigh less. SSC's TT V8 weighs less than Ferrari's 4.8L V8, makes double the power, and is more reliable and fuel efficient.
@TheOfficialKC I agree, alot of imports are laggy and highly strung but 750hp from a 3 liter straight 6 doesn't have to be any of that, we have them easily making 15psi of boost by 3000rpm and pulling hard to 8500rpm, some of our street cars are running mid 9s at 156 mph in 4000lb with a very reliable 182ci engine and even at 450hp per liter we have had 3 years trouble free competition drag racing winning against the big V8 boys, they even tried to ban us is was so easy to beat them, seriously.
@RIPSNZ Yes, many many european manufacturers use 4v DOHC engines in supercars. BUT, like I said before, they are (generally) less reliable, much heavier, less fuel efficient, and make less power.
Your lamborghini example. Their new 6.5L V12 weighs 518lbs. The SSC V8 weighs 420lbs. While the SSC V8 makes DOUBLE the horsepower it still gets about double the gas mileage too.
@RIPSNZ The Saleen S7 TTC's 427 made just over 1000hp on only 6psi of boost.
The Bugatti Veyron: 4v per cylinder, 4 turbos, 16 cylinders, 8 liters. Yet even with the 4v 8L it needs more boost then the SSC 6.3L pushrod V8 and it still makes less power and torque. Not to mention it weighs upwards of 600lbs(I read 800lbs somewhere). And that gets 12mpg tops.
Ferrari V8s and V12s are heavier then larger pushrods, make less power and get worse gas mileage.
@TheOfficialKC Every engine in every car is a fully water cooled street engine running on petrol, even the motor in the 240z or the dragster you could take straight out and run in a street car with great reliability. These motors are not highly strung alcohol drag motors, the whole point for us was to show what could be done with a street engine and the only reason the motors ended up in the 240z or the dragster chassis was so we could use the power. There's plenty of street car vids there.
@RIPSNZ You can claim what you want about your engines, say they are street engines running on petrol(what octane?), say it can be run on a street car with great reliability, etc. PROVE IT. I know you can't prove reliability and I can't disprove it. But you can prove streetability. Put your engine in a road car, on pump gas and drive around. Does it idle low and smooth? Do you need a lot of clutch to get going? Does it surge or can you drive smoothly on low rpm?
@TheOfficialKC I have plenty of custmers cars all over the world that are daily driver or weekend fun street cars that run on normal 98 pump gas, idle at 900-1000rpm, pull smoothly away from very low rpm, give great gas milage, make 225-275hp per liter and these engines are lasting many years, one in a very heavy street car ran low 10s on the weekends for 7 years untouched. On C16 we get them over 450hp/l drag them at National level and they are doing 3 years untouched, I think thats reliable.
@RIPSNZ The reason you can't prove reliability is you could be lying. You could also be telling the truth. That is why I have tried to leave that subject untouched.
Can you upload a video of a car with your engine in it? Like NRE does. Show it idle, full accelerate and pull from low rpm.
@TheOfficialKC I have 165 video's on my channel, all showing customer cars and my own cars, showing winning National drag events, getting world records, showing sedate smooth street driving, pretty much everything you may think these engines can't do.
Don't get me wrong, a big american V8 will always be good in some conditions, just in the type of racing I do its not the best engine to use if you want to win, They've tried to ban me and now the rules have been changed to help the V8 guys.
@RIPSNZ Well as long as it isn't like a screaming Honda. It looks like you can build some stuff. We can just say there are two ways to go about the same goal. Small high revving 4v or big low rpm pushrod. It seems it probably takes more skill to make a good jap motor, but you personally can do that.
Racing is hard to define what is "better". When all considered9mpg, weight, friendliness, power, cost, etc) it gets pretty tricky. I like the sound and simplicity of a pushrod V8.
@TheOfficialKC Cheers, it seems we do agree :-) I LOVE big V8s but when deciding which way to go in a class where you have to carry X amount of weight for every liter of engine size, it seemed logical to me to use an engine that could reliably make more hp/ci than the guys I raced against. They stuck with pushrods, I went 4 valve, efi, turbo and reliably made 8hp/ci on petrol. since wining the championship The NZdrag association have now imposed parity measures on me to try to even things up
@TheOfficialKC Lets put it this way, do I sound like some young internet idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about? Do all of the cars, records, video's etc all exist like I said they do? Have I at any time lied or at any time said what Tom does isn't fantastic? All I have done is given fact, truth, honest results with plenty of evidence while remaining respectfull to all I have replied to. There's more than 1 way to skin a cat and the way I do it gets results against the V8 guys, simple
@RIPSNZ One more thing. You obviously get results. What is it that keeps the big manufacturers(Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Ferrari, Bugatti, Lamborghini, etc.) from getting the results that you say you get?
I'm talking power+street friendly+reliable+fuel efficient. For example:
@TheOfficialKC I presume its because they have to deliver a car to the masses that pass emmissions and last a long time etc. I'm no expert on any european cars and they don't really do it for me anyway, I just like the easy power (for its size) that can be made from some of the Nissan/Toyota engines and I enjoy racing against the big V8s (in a kg per liter class) and more often that not beating them. each to their own and as long as we all have fun thats what counts.
@TheOfficialKC Of course it will pull smoothly from 2000rpm, they can easily have 15lb of boost by 3000rpm and in 4000lb street cars we have them doing 50-120mph in 4th (starting at 3000rpm) in 5 seconds, there's video's of us doing it on my channel,search "stealth bomber 50 - 120" trust me, these are not like some screaming honda that needs forever to wind up, these are true daily driver street engines on normal pump fuel making very good hp/l.
@RIPSNZ since you seem to think you know more then Nelson himself why don't we both shut up and ask the master mind what he really thinks about a Jap motor being more efficent vs his award winning work you have every right to your opinion that was never my issue with you but I have NEVER EVER seen a jap car even try to race a Nelson and so I'm still laugh at your comments. Go back to watching your jap car videos have fun
@RIPSNZ Also check out the Nelson video of what the owner of a Jap supra said about the 2JZ vs a 427 V8 and how unreliable the 2JZ was when compared to the 427 and then come back and tell me how un efficient Nelson motors really are. You claim to know who Tom Nelson is but yet your comments say otherwise. Your going to call someone out on the word efficiency When Mr Nelson wrote the book on the subject and has won MANY awards year after year. You don't know Nelson so quit acting like you do
@RIPSNZ~ haha.... Rob buddy, trust me, its totally not worth your time. There are so many people on here that just wont learn. Semi brain-dead "patriots" who live in a fantasy world with their American dinosaur junk.
@marek0086 I have nothing but respect for ALL cars but I have NOTHING but disrespect for your comment because you IDIOTS run your mouth without ANY PROOF TO SUPPORT YOUR GARBAGE all you have is your stupid EGO and your mouth talking smack but where is your proof where is this insane Nelson rocket ship beater of yours. Show me video proof or some sort of proof that a Jap car can beat a Nelson rocket car for real I'M not asking for your opinion I'm asking for HARDCORE PROOF. NRE is the best.
@marek0086 Your talking smack about Nelson and where is this jap car of yours that will blow the doors off a Nelson car? it's one thing to talk smack but to talk smack with no proof is stupid. Really I take no issue with people who like Jap cars but this is not a Jap car video so why in the hell are you going on a Nelson video and posting your GARBAGE and you call me a douche! LOL
@JeepYJJunkie Um for the record I lke all cars you DUMBASS. Also for the record ALL my points are valid ones regardless of what you think or say. I don't hate on import cars what I hate on is little punks such as yourself running your mouth and where is this proof? ANYONE who would pick a Jap over a Nelson made car is a FOOL. I also love how you IDIOTS talk smack without ANY PROOF like maybe a import car beating a Nelson car. Go back to watching your import videos you STUPID IDIOT DUMBASS
@pyro74boy How old are you? You're acting like a 12 year old. Calling me a "fool", "stupid", "idiot" or "dumbass" is just making you look stupid. I would choose a Japanese car over anything. Reliability and power. I personally don't give a shit what you think about it. Also, if you are 12 or somewhere around there, you need to grow up. People can have opinions.
@JeepYJJunkie Well I agree with you about one thing I personally don't give a shit what you think either, But I take issue when you get on a Nelson video and talk smack and give your STUPID BIASED OPINIONS. So your going to accuse me of being 12 based ONLY on the fact that I don't agree with your stupid fanboy opinion? take your own advice and grow up and take your stupid fanboy opinions to a jap car video where I'm sure many others will agree with you. Don't hate on me because I don't agree.
@pyro74boy Once again, your missing the whole point. Toms engines make good reliable power because of their SIZE. For a Nelson 427 to be as EFFICIENT as my 182ci nissan street engine on petrol the 427 would need to make 3285hp ON PETROL. My "crappy jap motor" lasted 3 full seasons of competition drag racing and won the NZ championship AGAINST big american V8s with an oil change and a set of spark plugs. Tom would laugh at you if you asked for a bulletproof 3285hp from his 427 on petrol.
@RIPSNZ I hope Tom is reading the comments because your the one he is laughing at for real also he has worked on import cars as well so this really goes against everything you have said. Not saying that import cars are not fast as I would not mind owning a few of them myself but this efficiency shit of yours I completely disagree with you on and so will many others even people who have never had work done by Tom Nelson. Thoes of us who have taken the time to get to know him know you are wrong.
ok the main point here is why the fuck is there somebody here trying to compare a stupid 3 litre 6 cylinder to a 7 litre v8 with twin t88's? i see the point where smaller engines with the right mods can go as fast as the ones with bigger engines. it comes down to torque in a drag race! im from australia there is a company here offering 2200 hp 2jz packages for drag cars thats with NOS these engines dont last long at all
@perfectdiversion I agree, just someone before was saying a 2jz wouldn't stand a chance against the engine in this vid. Like I said, I'm not a 2jz fan boy, just the guys with the big V8s presume having a big V8 is the only way to win races and its simply not the case. BIg V8s make power from cubes, small jap engines make power from being a far better design and being far more efficient and in some clases of racing the small jap motor will win every time. each to their own.
ROFL the 2jz boys are down to 6.3 yeah one pass new engine please! there is a NRE supra because the owner wanted a more reliable engine. fucken 2jz's....
@perfectdiversion is you retard? 2jz needing a rebuild after 1 pass my ass. pff, take your displacement and walk away in shame, because for hp per liter and reliability (which is all that really matters) 2jz and tuners got it...
@TheRcDevil ok maybe 3 passes out of an engine seriously the bigger engine is working less than a supped up 2jz these motors arent even running nos most of these big powered 2jz's doing quick quarter miles are running nos. isnt it common sense to realise that the bigger motor will always last longer than the smaller motor. the power coming out of a 2j these days you cant get anymore out of them. reliability is out the window
@TheRcDevil Lets see a 2JZ make 1750 Horsepower on just 10 PSI that is what I have seen a Nelson motor do hell a Nelson motor can make 1000 horsepower without ANY turbo's or forced injection of ANY KIND. So what the hell are you trying to prove, The 2JZ is NO MATCH for an Nelson made rocketship.
@pyro74boy Sure, if you have enough cubes those kinds of results are possible. Having won drag championships against BIG V8s with my 182ci 6 cylinder, I can tell you first hand, in alot of classes of racing having a big motor that makes 3-4hp per ci is NOT going to win against a small jap engine that can easily and reliably make 7-8hp per ci and I have proved that. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE big turbo V8s but don't presume you'll win everything with one.
@RIPSNZ you have never beaten a nelson car tom nelson is the leader in everyone else follows do your research on nelson racing because tom nelson a second to none that's why his cars are featured in major car magazines and all over television . this is also why many engine builders come to him for his expertise .never ever underestimate tom nelson and his award winning work . check his website for proof of his award winning work . never ever underestimate him trust me
@pyro74boy Oh I don't underestimate him at all, your missing the point completley. I KNOW he does great work, just some people seem to think that having a big V8 is the only way to win races and it simply isn't.
What would you say if I said my 182ci street based engine running on petrol thats lasted 3 seasons of racing makes MORE hp per ci than just about any top alcohol dragster engine out there?
Toms engines are great because they are BIG, they are not particularly efficient though.
@pyro74boy But let's see an NRE engine that is built for $20,000 and does those numbers... Oh wait there starting engine is $30,000 and for more than 10 grand less than that you can have a fully built 2jz
@TheRcDevil Your dreaming if you think you can have a fully build 2jz done for 20 grand man, maybe a complete bottom end but thats about it, no way your going to get a complete 2000hp+ 2jz for 20 grand.
@RIPSNZ I know of 5 and 6 sec Nelson cars. Nelson cars are the shit and NO SUPRA OWNER would ever want to race a Nelson rocketship. Tom Nelson is second to NONE and that's why even import fans have work done by hime check out the Nelson supra and RX-7. NRE is the real deal ,
@RIPSNZ The neat thing about Nelson's motors is the 6 second pass is the super low maintenance...That sort of reliability is not likely to happen with a 6 second Supra motor. Of course you could also drive the Nelson car home afterward...Which well...just isn't normal! :)
@Smokin07ram can you show me a 6 second street car with a Nelson engine? No disrespect to Nelson at all, they do great work, I just havn't seen these cars your talking about.
please tell me you have an internship!!!!
dedicated2grey 1 week ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Agreed, Nelson, the larger displacement motor is the optimal choice in the sand car where you jump on and off the throttle. That is coming from someone that has a supercharged 372cu.in. Hemi, cams, etc. (561rwhp) and a 182c.u. 2JZ Supra (844rwhp without NOS). The 2JZ is forged by God himself to run 1000whp with stock internals but it is meant for a street car.
admrgd 2 weeks ago
bad ass for sure!!!!!!!
4mil90350 1 month ago
Like my father told me once... no replacement for displacement
thegloriousfall 1 month ago
nre should built a mud truck. to show people that they can built engines that are made for any kind of racing not just street or sand racing.
JuanHulk91 1 month ago
<personally own an import,hate me for it,but when it comes 2 Bad Ass muscle cars this guy Tom Nelson Runs SHYT.im growing out of the import scene daily i think mostly the bitch ass people that are in the "import scene need to wake the fuck up and admit they put so much money into something that has been done 10 million times as apposed to these classic beauties Mr Nelson deals with,not only would i want this man to work on my car i wish he would help me make it what every import guyhatesMUSCLE
demshion23 2 months ago
is it 1800 at the crank or to the ground??
4mil90350 3 months ago
@4mil90350 The crank.
WMH435 2 months ago
Your wrong on both I NEVER said you said anything like that its just how people act [NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU] I was making a statement that when people talk about cost I bring up the Lambo videos because many fans of import cars [NOT SAYING YOU] like to talk a lot of BS about how a highly modded import car beat a rich persons car and then they brag about it,. Now you don't have to agree with me but to call someone an idiot based ONLY on a different opinion was real STUPID for real.
pyro74boy 3 months ago
Your not embarrassing a Nelson car trust me on that and that's why you NEVER EVER see imports even try to Race a Nelson rocket ship. I will also keep your comment in mind the next time I see a highly modded import car race a bone stock Lambo. The driver of the Lambo has a better chance of getting struck by lightning then being able to beat the highly modded import car Wait its fair because the import car won LOL. that's what gets me the most it's ONLY okay if the import car wins
pyro74boy 3 months ago
Crazy Car. The Best bug.
pakatopingo 4 months ago
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MBelmont89 4 months ago
V8's are the fastest piston engines in the world. Period.
The idea of an import engine doing mid 4's is amusing.
I'd love to see a sub-6.0li engine, let alone a 2.0li engine make 10,000hp on any fuel.
SICKJ0KER 4 months ago
Maybe i'm wrong but In the real world where most people don't have more than a few bucks to put on there car small engines are much more affordable to boost. Plus out of personal experience its fun embarrassing a big v8 with a 3.0L straight six or a 2.0L 4 banger! On top of all that i do live in New Brunswick Canada and that much power+ rwd is pretty much suicide. Most people that want to go fast around here just get a Subaru WRX STi... Regardless love the videos they make me smile every time!!
Annotation722 4 months ago
@Annotation722 Your not embarrassing a Nelson car trust me on that and that's why you NEVER EVER see imports even try to Race a Nelson rocket ship. I will also keep your comment in mind the next time I see a highly modded import car race a bone stock Lambo. The driver of the Lambo has a better chance of getting struck by lightning then being able to beat the highly modded import car Wait its fair because the import car won LOL. that's what gets me the most it's ONLY okay if the import car wins
pyro74boy 4 months ago
@pyro74boy Either you didn't read what i said or your don't understand what you read. I never said it's only ok for the import to win and i never said that i could ever beat nelson racing engines powered cars honestly if i could afford it i would buy that shit in a heart beat! Regardless have a nice day LOOOL idiot!
Annotation722 4 months ago
@Annotation722 Your wrong on both I NEVER said you said anything like that its just how people act [NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU] I was making a statement that when people talk about cost I bring up the Lambo videos because many fans of import cars [NOT SAYING YOU] like to talk a lot of BS about how a highly modded import car beat a rich persons car and then they brag about it,. Now you don't have to agree with me but to call someone an idiot based ONLY on a different opinion was real STUPID for real.
pyro74boy 4 months ago
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No doubt about it Mr Nelson you make some of the best engine application ever made. Never once did I dispute anything about your wonderful work especially when the topic efficiency came up. I think ANYONE who disputes your efficiency needs to do their homework on nelson racing engines. Thank you Tom Nelson YOUR THE VERY BEST.
pyro74boy 4 months ago
You guys really need your own show on the velocity channel!!!!!!!! like with those other shows like west coast customs, and mecum auto auctions, chasing classic cars etc.
MrStx101 4 months ago
umm i wonder if they know that a LSX is a 572 not a 427. Its more likely LS7 based which is what is in a corvette zo6.
LittleStallin 4 months ago
my comment was ment for Mr Nelson not for you . I'mu allowed to defend myself especially when it has been Mr Nelson I have been defending all along . Its also nice to.see.that he agrees witb me and not with you. Mr Nelson even has issues with your commets so take a hint and get lost
pyro74boy 4 months ago
No doubt about it Mr Nelson you make some of the best engine application ever made. Never once did I dispute anything about your wonderful work especially when the topic efficiency came up. I think ANYONE who disputes your efficiency needs to do their homework on nelson racing engines. Thank you Tom Nelson YOUR THE VERY BEST.
pyro74boy 4 months ago
@pyro74boy Man, you are STILL missing the whole point, even Tom says and I quote "4 valve motors have more valve area and will be able to run high rpm to feed the cylinder in turn Tq times rpm equals hp so they tend if designed right to make more hp" EXACTLY what I was trying to explain to your stuborn ass lol. For classes where generally speaking the most hp per ci wins, nothing to do with engine size or max power figures, Jap engines quite often do better. I hope you get it now :-)
RIPSNZ 4 months ago
Holy fuck, now that is what I call the perfect sand rail....
YSBCITTAR 4 months ago
Shame when a good video gets screwed up with comments. Tom i know you like your comments but to save arguments might be best to disable comments :/. Anyway love your videos, keep up the work.
danielBmxrider 4 months ago
@danielBmxrider I'm more than happy for all of my comments and all of the comments related to them to be removed, in fact I think its the best thing, it was never the intension to get out of hand like this, I have great respect fro what Tom does, just some guys need to realise in some forms of drag racing for example, a massive american V8 is not always the way to win and if "some" didn't insist that the only way to do well is with a big V8 none of this would have happened.
RIPSNZ 4 months ago
But not more torque your not going to get more torque at 3k with a 182 than you will wil a 427 its that simple.Use whats best for the Application Ive heard these supra this supra that for years it amazes . ive built a bunch of them they are a great engine they are in a street car looking at 1000 + hp in my opinion not anywhere near as streetable or as reliable and areLaggy its not a smooth drivable package you cannot replace the cubes .Please stop the Ranting back and forth
nelsonracingengines 4 months ago 6
Anyways im commenting because shit let these agruments end.The Sand car that engine is in would suck with a laggy 182 with a huge 88 or larger turbo you need torque now not later so to me this is a way better choice.I Build alll sorts of engines 4 valves 5 valves 2 valves it just a matter of what fits the application.4 valve motors have more valve area and will be able to run high rpm to feed the cylinder in turn Tq times rpm equals hp so they tend if designed right to make more hp.
nelsonracingengines 4 months ago 4
@nelsonracingengines Dude people have to complain about everything. All I have to say is it's another impressive motor Tom. Great Job Tom!!
KILLERKUSTUMS 3 months ago
Wrong I have more than enough proof proving you wrong on the Nelson websiteI encourage you to go to that website where there is more than enough proof proving my point . What would be the point of me going to one of your videos when all your going to do is delete my comments? . go to nelson website and then tell me I don't know what the word efficiency means.
pyro74boy 4 months ago
WOW @RIPSNZ is still on here posting his GARBAGE about import cars [STILL CRYING] More then a few people are LAUGHING at him and his stupid comments. Vote up if you feel that @RIPSNZ is a fool for posting nonsense GARBAGE. Nothing wrong with a person with in opinion but when I person goes on a video spamming about how a Nelson motor is not as efficient as a import motor is just plan STUPID. This person needs to go back to his import videos where I'm sure his buddy's will agree with him .
pyro74boy 4 months ago
@pyro74boy I was actually having a great discussion with TheofficialKC and if you took the time to read all the posts you'd see quite a few people agree with what I'm saying. I didn't start the whole efficiency thing, I've just been involved in discussing it. Your right though, its not apropriate for Toms great video as I am in fact a big fan of what he does. When it comes to what type of motor makes more hp per liter and how easily each type can do it, we'll just have to agree to dissagree.
RIPSNZ 4 months ago
@RIPSNZ My only issue with you is how you talk down Mr Nelson with NO PROOF to support any of your claims and if you would take the time to see that there are also quite a few people who don't agree with you. I just think its so funny that a Jap import person still goes on these none import videos talking smack about a jap motor being more efficient vs Mr Nelson and his award winning work. Go back to watching the jap videos where I'm sure your import buddy's will agree with everything you say.
pyro74boy 4 months ago
@pyro74boy I have never talked down Mr Nelson, as I said I have great respect for what he does and what a big turbo V8 pushrod engine can do and you continue to say I'm saying otherwise. I have plenty of proof of 250-450hp per liter engines that I have built, maybe if you read some of the replies I have given to TheofficalKC you would see that. there's no point going on about anything anymore, this is not the place but don't say I'm full of crap, my trophy cabinet says otherwise I assure you
RIPSNZ 4 months ago
@RIPSNZ Until you show me proof of your jap import car passing up a Nelson car you have NO PROOF it's just your opinion because your comments about a jap import car being more efficient vs Nelsons award winning work are just plan STUPID. You may have great respect for what he does but you have a very funny way of showing it, You need to understand that when someone such as yourself is going to run your mouth about a Nelson motor that I will defend Nelson because I know him better then you do.
pyro74boy 4 months ago
@pyro74boy Your not understanding the difference between hp & efficiency. its nothing to do with a jap powered car beating a Nelson powered car, Of course the Nelson car with an engine around twice the size is going to have the advantage, thats a no brainer but that doesn't make the bigger engine more efficient, it just means the bigger motor may make more power. Its not right to carry on here, go to one of my video's and comment there and I'll explain it so you can understand if you like.
RIPSNZ 4 months ago
@RIPSNZ and your not understanding the difference between saying you respect someone like Mr Nelson and then talking about how much more efficient a jap motor is vs Tom Nelsons award winning work that's not respecting him like it or not he has won MANY awards based on guess what just how efficient his motors really are regardless of what you think I just the experts opinions more then someone like you who goes on a video such as this one posting this kind of GARBAGE because this is all you do.
pyro74boy 4 months ago
@pyro74boy Saying a jap motor can be made to be more efficient than a Nelson motor is no disrespect to him at all. He may have won efficiency awards when comaring his pushrod V8s against other pushrod V8s but that doesn't mean they are the more efficient than many other types of enignes. Your not willing to open your mind and hear anything anyone is telling you, like I say its easy to explain but you obviously don't want to know, go to one of my vids and comment or are you too stuborn?
RIPSNZ 4 months ago
@RIPSNZ It Is quite clear to me that regardless of what you think or say that you don't know Mr Nelson for real man listen to yourself for once and take the time to look at all the awards that Mr Nelson has won [NOT ASKING FOR YOUR OPINION] He is the leader and EVERYONE else follows and if your to dumb to understand this then that's your issue not mine. Hell I know of some import guys that would even agree that Nelson is the best and that's why some import owners have had work done by Nelson.
pyro74boy 4 months ago
@pyro74boy So your saying if I got a big twin turbo push rod V8 that runs on C16 from Tom or whoever else and put it into my drag car and entered the drag racing class I run in where I race against big V8s all the time, your saying without question I would be more likely to win races with his engine than I am with my 182ci jap engine? No more talk here, its being rude, go to one of my vids and answer, please don't reply on this vid anymore. cheers
RIPSNZ 4 months ago
@RIPSNZ What I'm saying is it's quite clear to me that even though you say you know who Nelson is your comments read otherwise and I'm not the only person who feels this way about you for real. It's stupid of you to comment on this video when I know I'm not the only one who feels this way. You have the right to your opinion but all anyone has to do is go to the Nelson racing website for proof proving you wrong on EVERYTHING you say about Nelson Racing so don't tell me not to comment you fool.
pyro74boy 4 months ago
@pyro74boy Its rude to comment any further on Toms video, you have your opinion, I have mine, I know what I'm saying is true and I've offered to PROVE it to you many times but this is not the place, comment on one of my video's and I'll happily explain what I'm saying in a way you'll understand. If your so sure your right you'll have nothing to lose will ya.........all you have to do is click on my name and comment on a video........c ya soon....
Tom, I apologise for all the posts :-)
RIPSNZ 4 months ago
@RIPSNZ How dare you say that it's rude for me to comment on this Video when all I have done is defend Tom Nelson. Your the one who is being rude and many people agree with me about you and your biased comments about Nelson racing. You claim that you like him but your comments say otherwise It's people like you that make me hate on import cars in the first place.If you want to stop then you can start right now DON'T REPLY BACK because I know how you feel so do us all a favor and get lost.
pyro74boy 4 months ago
@RIPSNZ Also before you declare yourself the winner I have more then enough proof proving EVERYTHING you have said wrong you wont even take the time to go to the Nelson racing website because you know me and MANY OTHERS can quote many things from that site about how much more efficient Nelson racing engines are compared to your import junk. You talk about people being rude so why don't you take your own advice and stop running your mouth on this video we all know how you feel about this for...
pyro74boy 4 months ago
@pyro74boy Hahaha, didn't think you'd have the balls to discuss this elsewhere, you got nothing, you never have, you never will or you would have taken me up to prove me wrong. I've been to the Nelson sight many times thank you and as I have said a million times, HE DOES GREAT WORK AND I"M NOT KNOCKING HIS WORK AT ALL SO STOP SAYING I AM. your missing the whole point entirely as you clearly don't even know what efficiency means or what results would make one efficient than another. BYE.
RIPSNZ 4 months ago
@RIPSNZ Enough of the Craziness.Efficiency is a double edged sword yes a 182 ci supra motor can make hp but youll have to spin it to make the power.Theres always a trade off.Nothing on earth is going to make your 182 come on and make torque like this 427 you cant replace the cubes its just how it is.Youll trade low speed tq and hp for high speed its possible to make 1600+hp with it but your probally going to need to wind it up to 10k So what is Efficiency in youe eyes ?
nelsonracingengines 4 months ago
@nelsonracingengines I don't know about anyone else but I have never doughted how quickly this 427 could make torque, I know it would be brutal and in the application its perfectly suited. Efficiency to me is being able to run low 7s in a 2000lb car with about a quart of petrol per run, being able to win a championship with a Nissan 6cyl on Q16 against big blown V8s on meth in a kg per liter class, having
8hp per ci last 3 seasons with an oil change and 1 set of plugs. Just need more cubes!!!
RIPSNZ 4 months ago
@RIPSNZ LOL yeah a supra can make big power but it needs 40+ fucking psi to do it. if you put that much boost on 427 it would be making 3000+hp.
AdangerousRETARD 4 months ago
@AdangerousRETARD I'm not interested in going back and forth as its been done to death and if some guys don't want to face facts thats their problem, I LOVE Nelsons engines and other big american turbo enignes but for the record, Even the very best american big cube turbo, made from scratch, purpose built drag engines (as in the 4000hp+ ones) don't make as much hp per cubic inch as its easy to make with a reliable jap street engine on petrol. FACT. and thats all my point has ever been.
RIPSNZ 3 months ago
@RIPSNZ actually those "purpose built drag ones" like top fuel cars have make in excess of 8500hp. of course thats because of the fuel though. and those "reliable jap street engines" that are running who knows how much psi have a life of like 10,000 miles before the need a rebuild. as far as power goes a larger engine with more cylinders has an advantage.
AdangerousRETARD 3 months ago
@AdangerousRETARD I said purpose built TURBO V8s that run on race gas or meth so it was a more fair comparisson. 10,000 miles from an engine that makes 6-7+hp per cubic inch is extreemly good I would have thought? I'd imagine the big turbo drag V8s making similar hp per ci would get rebuilt around every 20-30 miles? You are right though, as far as outright power goes in a class where you don't have to carry X amount of lbs per cubic inch, a less efficient (per ci) big V8 is the way to go.
RIPSNZ 3 months ago
it like a moster gocart!!!
bo5061 4 months ago
4WD anybody?
maddog392 4 months ago
Haha insane as always Tom
snerjeg 4 months ago in playlist More videos from nelsonracingengines
I'd like to see this 8hp per ci in a bugggie. I'm not a hatter, I like what ever rips
claas90017 4 months ago
@claas90017 I'm not a heter either, I LOVE big turbo V8s and they are well suited to sand and anywhere you need alot of torque, just some guys think they are the ultimate in engines fullstop. They make alot of power due to the their size and if their was a 427 cubic inch V8 with jap technology it would easily make the same power at lower boost its just common sense. When you have to drag race with weight based only on your engine size (as I do) the big V8s dont stand a chance, I have proven that
RIPSNZ 4 months ago
@Marek0086 this engine is making 257 horse power per liter can you please explain to me how that isn't efficient
McDougal51 4 months ago
@McDougal51 257 hp per liter is NOTHING compared to what even a 20+ year old jap enigne can easily do. I run 25 year old STOCK blocks, stock cranks, a 23 year old head design, on petrol and make 450+hp per liter and the motors last years at a National competition level. Hell even my daily driver street engines on normal pump gas can make 300hp+ per liter with ease. These big V8s are cool and they make alot of power but not through being particularly efficient thats for sure, just through size.
RIPSNZ 4 months ago
** I mean compared to the Japanese engines that are argued over, American engines were designed alot earlier. So comparing, say a 2JZ and a small-block Chevy is like comparing a cassette-tape and an ipod lol. I am a fan of many Japanese cars myself, but not all American v8's are 'old and inefficient'. The ls-series is a good example
HAMMERxHCA 4 months ago
@HAMMERxHCA Exactly, so why do some continue to say that the big Nelson V8s are far more efficient than a modern jap enigne? Just plain stupid.
RIPSNZ 4 months ago
Also, when you're comparing "old dinosaur v8's" to Japanese engines, you cant be talking about LSX based engines. They are among some of the most efficient AND high hp/torque producing engines around, and the most popular choice for an engine swap in just about every application, INCLUDING imports. Can't say that about a jap engine. Also, you have to consider that the "dinosaur" SBC came out in the 50's LONG BEFORE any jap competition was even around. Cars / car engines were BORN in America
HAMMERxHCA 4 months ago 17
Since this is a sand vehicle video I will add this to the argument of jap vs. American- As a desert racing enthusiast from southern Cali, I will tell you that in our sport of desert racing, we don't measure our di*ks in HP alone but also in torque, and thats something that import engines do NOT offer as compared to American. You don't see any race trucks or even prerunners running jap engines. Even in sandrails, the only alternative used are Subaru engines, and they are not Japanese.
HAMMERxHCA 4 months ago
What camera mounting system do you use in most of your videos?
asdfgoogle 4 months ago
Are you kidding me? I went to Pismo the two weeks ago! Why couldn't you go then?!
parrish001 4 months ago
It's like a rollercoaster without tracks.
Gerald5000 4 months ago 10
I like cars. Yall always miss the point. There is no fucking better. You have what you have. If you have loyalist tunnel vision then you're a fucking retard and thats true in every instance since the wheel became round.
cold02rex 4 months ago
the fabrication work on the buggy and the engine is just second to none. great job to all that were involved. that buggy is just nuts
dunna321 4 months ago
yeah these motors are old school design be good if chev finally made a DOHC v8
perfectdiversion 4 months ago
@perfectdiversion they do...and have...the 350 in the ZR-1 was a quad cam
netrioter 4 months ago
@perfectdiversion the northstar is 32 valve...the Olds Aurora was 32 valve too. gm V8 dohc's
engines bro
netrioter 4 months ago
@perfectdiversion Nissan VK56 is all alloy, quad cam, 6 bolt mains, great heads and valve gear, just be good if the japs did a 7-8 liter V8 with the same technology, I see Nelsons 500in quad cam V8 hasn't been talked about for quite some time, I wonder whats happening with that?
RIPSNZ 4 months ago
id throw 3-400 pounds of metal in the front....thats too fucking dangerous
netrioter 4 months ago
that's your opinion but I completely disagree when you say they're not efficient . it's quite clear to me you have no idea who nelson really is or I would not even be having this conversation with you .why do you think there is no videos of high horsepower supras racing nelson cars ?. it's because the owners of the supra know all too well what the results of the race would be . not saying that import cars are not fast but they're not nelson and they never will be
pyro74boy 4 months ago
@pyro74boy I know who Nelson is and about the great work he does, don't worry about that. I said his engines are not AS efficient as a typical small jap engine. Efficiency means power per ci or power derived from a certain amount of fuel. I run low 7s on 1.5 liters of petrol in a 2000lb car with 182ci, I'd like to see a big V8 in 2000lb run low 7s with just 1.5 liters of petrol. Nelsons engines perform well due to cubes, not particularly high efficiency, fact.
RIPSNZ 4 months ago
@RIPSNZ I completely disagree with you when you say they're not as efficient as a jap engine and so will anyone that has ever had work done by him. you say you know who he is but you don't know him like I do because people go to him based on how efficient his engines really are. Check out the video of the nelson made supra and how unreliable the 2JZ was when compared to a chevy 427 v8.there are plenty of fast import cars
but none of them will match a nelson made cars in my opinion
pyro74boy 4 months ago
@pyro74boy your obviously not reading my posts properly. Toms engines possibly are efficient when comapred to other similar engines, but you can't say they are more efficient than a jap engine that can easily make twice as much hp per ci, thats just plain silly. I race against guys who think like you and who have big V8s that make good power for what they are, but I have the championship title, not them. When you race in lb per ci (or kg per liter) classes jap motors are WAY ahead, period.
RIPSNZ 4 months ago
@RIPSNZ your an idiot think that jap shit doin sum
MajorMajor34 4 months ago
@MajorMajor34 My trophy cabinet and world records tell a different story man, all good, each to their own.
RIPSNZ 4 months ago
@RIPSNZ smh yea you prolly have the trophy's but jap engines are not that efficent an your talkin about one ENGINE ONLY the japs have
MajorMajor34 4 months ago
@MajorMajor34 wrong, I do not use a 2jz. Not efficient? Show me an american V8 on petrol that can reliably make 8hp per cubic inch. Then show me that engine race and win at National competition level and have nothing done to it other than oil changes and a set of spark plugs in 3 years...............aint gunna happen sorry.
RIPSNZ 4 months ago
@RIPSNZ You live a fairy tale what engine do you use ? an at the end of the day jap engines dont win an its plenty of effficent engines in america you need to do research
MajorMajor34 4 months ago
you dont see jap engines in NHRA
MajorMajor34 4 months ago
@MajorMajor34 lucky for them aye, lol all good, each to their own
RIPSNZ 4 months ago
@MajorMajor34
Does that mean something?
parrish001 4 months ago
@parrish001 yea it mean sum
MajorMajor34 4 months ago
@MajorMajor34
Well I still don't get it. What does it mean?
You don't even know, do you?
parrish001 4 months ago
@RIPSNZ And your obviously not reading my posts properly because just try to tell ANYONE who really has had work done by Nelson that a Jap motor is more efficent vs a Nelson motor they will laugh at you bro I guarantee it I would even be willing to put money on it as well and any sane person will agree. Nelson is second to NONE regardless of what you think or say and his work speaks for itself. Check out the Nelson racing for proof of his award winning work for real because you don't know him
pyro74boy 4 months ago
@pyro74boy no worries, you believe what you like, try finding out what efficiency actually means and you might get my point. I AGREE Toms engines are good and possibly very efficient for what they are but I'm sure even Tom would tell you a small japanese engine is far more efficient ci for ci or for per gallon of fuel used, its common knowledge and common sense (once again, find out what efficient really means) but if you know otherwise thats fine.
RIPSNZ 4 months ago
@RIPSNZ try finding out what efficiency actually means? Why don't we take a poll right now to see how many people are laughing at your comments? for real because your comments make NO SENSE hell I even know of some import fans who would even laugh and what about the fact that even import fans have had Nelson work on their cars so this goes against EVERYTHING, you have already said. If you asked Mr Nelson what he things about this he would say what in the hell are you smoking LOL. GET REAL MAN
pyro74boy 4 months ago
@pyro74boy Ring Tom and tell him you need to run 7s on petrol in a street car with one of his big V8s and your only allowed to use 1 US quart of petrol per run to do it, I bet he would say your dreaming, We all know if you have a big engine you can make big power but that doesn't make the motor efficient and thats where your getting confused. Efficiency is HP per ci with a given amount of fuel, can you make a bulletproof 8hp per ci on petrol with a 427? (thats 3400hp) we boith know you can't.
RIPSNZ 4 months ago
@RIPSNZ Yes you have confirmed to me that you have NO IDEA what your talking about as your comments speak for themselves. You need to take a look at video proof proving EVERYTHING you say wrong like I don't know maybe the 2000HP camaro daily driver and the fastest street car 2000 hp 1963 Pontiac LeMans that can run 7's that was running on the street the videos of these cars are right here on youtube so before you run your mouth again look at these videos because you make NO sense FOR REAL.
pyro74boy 4 months ago
@pyro74boyForget it, your blind to what I'm saying. I know about the cars you said, and I have seen the vids and they do go good but they have massive engines, thats the whole point, anyone can make big power with a big motor that does NOT mean they are efficient but you keep missing that point., I ran 7s in a street car with 182ci 6 cylinder on petrol and now beat big V8s with ease in the class of racing I do here, so much so they tried to ban my car! hp per ci wins in our classes,
RIPSNZ 4 months ago
@RIPSNZ I'm not blind but obviously you are. Oh and since you like to talk about small motors so much check out what Mr Nelson did too a V6. This you cant drive this kind of power on the street shit don't work anymore thanks to MR Nelson. Also there are many others laughing at you as I have been reading what others think about your opinion and these are not fanboys these are people who like both Jap and U S made cars so take your comments else where like maybe to a jap car video.
pyro74boy 4 months ago
@pyro74boy No problem, you got me all wrong, I LOVE what Tom does and I KNOW his engines are awesome and you obviously are never going to want to hear anything that goes against whats imbedded in your brain from a lifetime of typical american brainwashing. Google what engine efficiency means, ring Tom and ask him, he's not so ignorant that he wouldn't know exactly what I'm talking about. have fun with what you like and I'll have fun winning against guys just like you!!! thanks for the laughs.
RIPSNZ 4 months ago
@RIPSNZ Where's your proof? We are laughing because we have never seen a jap motor that can make the same hp/L as a american pushrod V8 and still be reliable and daily driveable. If you were so badass you would have your own shop like this and videos to prove it. And if you were really that good and could build the motors you say you probably wouldn't be commenting on youtube.
TheOfficialKC 4 months ago
@TheOfficialKC Before you make silly comments why not try clicking on my user name, there's several video's there showing my 182 cubic inch 300-450hp per liter engines which run on petrol doing 7s in a 3000lb street car and 7.2s in a 2000lb car. I do have my own shop, I do build my own engines, I do have several National drag records (current national champion for my class) all gained by competing against and beating american pushrod V8 powered cars and I don't talk crap.
RIPSNZ 4 months ago
@RIPSNZ And your videos prove nothing. So a purpose built drag car with a purpose built drag engine can run 7s quarters. Impressive in any sense, but I have seen 60s muscle cars with built V8s do that.
And it doesn't prove the whole point. A streetable, reliable powerplant, making big power on low octane fuel.
If you want to compare hp/L in a drag race sense, a big American V8 TF makes 1000hp/L.
TheOfficialKC 4 months ago
@TheOfficialKC the engine in the 240z and the FED are water cooled street engines running on petrol, I just happened to put them into chassis that could use the power, these engines last 3 years at 1400hp with oil changes and plugs only, not bad from 182ci I'm sure you'd agree? (thats like 3400hp from a 427 on petrol)
as for TF on Nitro (which I love btw), a F1 engine 20-30 years ago made 1500hp per liter on far inferior fuel with similar boost with many 100s times the life expectancy.
RIPSNZ 4 months ago
@TheOfficialKC Being serious here and discussing this because we all love engines, can you give me an example of how much power a reliable daily drivable, normal pump gas american pushrod V8 with turbo's of say 427ci might be? 800hp? 1000hp? 1200hp? I'm talking reliable for 10s of 1000s of street miles with oil changes only.
RIPSNZ 4 months ago
@RIPSNZ The SSC V8 makes 1287hp on 91 octane and is only 387.2 ci(6.35L). That is 203hp/L, very easy to drive on the street, low end torque, smooth, idles good and doesn't overheat. That is a mere 14psi and very small turbo lag.
NRE has a 427 making 1100hp on 91 and 1500+hp on race fuel and will last 10s of 1000s of miles with only oil changes.
TheOfficialKC 4 months ago
@TheOfficialKC ok thats great, as a comparison, I build a 182ci straight 6 that on normal pump gas, low boost, as a daily driver, super smooth, idle nice etc runs 750hp, thats 250hp per liter all day long. On race gas in a fully streetable application we effortlessly run 1000hp, thats 330hp per liter and in a race situation the same street engine does 1400hp and lasted 3 years at National competition level with oil changes and plugs, thats 466hp per liter.
RIPSNZ 4 months ago
@RIPSNZ Where can i see these engines you talk about? Website? Reviews? Street driving videos? Etc. I don't see how you could build a 330hp/L engine that will last and be street friendly. In any type of engine. Also something to remember is it is easier to get higher hp/L from smaller engines then bigger ones.
TheOfficialKC 4 months ago
@TheOfficialKC For sure its easier to make more hp/liter from a smaller engine. All these discussions started because some people were saying a big 2 valve pushrod V8 is more efficient than a small 4 valve dohc jap engine which simply isn't the case as its easy to make more hp per liter from a small jap enigne at the same boost with the same fuel etc. Check my vids, there's a few of my cars on there and 250-330hp per liter is a very common and reliable street package we do
RIPSNZ 4 months ago
@RIPSNZ One more thing. Why do no supercar manufacturers use this tech if it is so great? If a 3L I6 can 750hp why not use that instead of a 6.2L V8? If your claims are true, you should build one. If it actually works you could have a small, lightweight supercar. A 750hp car the size and weight of a Lotus Elise.
TheOfficialKC 4 months ago
@TheOfficialKC Nearly every modern supercar manufactuer DOES use 4 valve, dohc and efi and some of their engines are getting bigger (like Lambo) meaning with turbos etc they are easily making big power, its very rare to see a supercar use a pushrod V8. Keep in mind, just because you don't see things in the states so much, doesn't mean it aint happening, there's a big wide world out there man.
RIPSNZ 4 months ago
@TheOfficialKC NRE's 427 on race gas at 1500hp is around 217hp per liter which is still far less than a small jap enigne running the same if not lower boost will make on pump gas. I have great respect for big turbo V8s, don;t get me wrong, they are awesome due to their sheer size but for racing where you have to carry X amount of kg per liter of engine size the guy who makes the most hp per liter usually wins and thats not the pushrod V8 guys unfortunatly.
RIPSNZ 4 months ago
@RIPSNZ The main reason I doubt what you say is I have never seen something like you claim. From aftermarket to supercars. I have seen high hp/L imports but they are usually high strung, tons of boost/lag, no low end torque, not good street engines. And in supercars I see consistently that pushrods make more power and weigh less. SSC's TT V8 weighs less than Ferrari's 4.8L V8, makes double the power, and is more reliable and fuel efficient.
TheOfficialKC 4 months ago
@TheOfficialKC I agree, alot of imports are laggy and highly strung but 750hp from a 3 liter straight 6 doesn't have to be any of that, we have them easily making 15psi of boost by 3000rpm and pulling hard to 8500rpm, some of our street cars are running mid 9s at 156 mph in 4000lb with a very reliable 182ci engine and even at 450hp per liter we have had 3 years trouble free competition drag racing winning against the big V8 boys, they even tried to ban us is was so easy to beat them, seriously.
RIPSNZ 4 months ago
@RIPSNZ Yes, many many european manufacturers use 4v DOHC engines in supercars. BUT, like I said before, they are (generally) less reliable, much heavier, less fuel efficient, and make less power.
Your lamborghini example. Their new 6.5L V12 weighs 518lbs. The SSC V8 weighs 420lbs. While the SSC V8 makes DOUBLE the horsepower it still gets about double the gas mileage too.
TheOfficialKC 4 months ago
@RIPSNZ The Saleen S7 TTC's 427 made just over 1000hp on only 6psi of boost.
The Bugatti Veyron: 4v per cylinder, 4 turbos, 16 cylinders, 8 liters. Yet even with the 4v 8L it needs more boost then the SSC 6.3L pushrod V8 and it still makes less power and torque. Not to mention it weighs upwards of 600lbs(I read 800lbs somewhere). And that gets 12mpg tops.
Ferrari V8s and V12s are heavier then larger pushrods, make less power and get worse gas mileage.
TheOfficialKC 4 months ago
@RIPSNZ Also, I looked through all your videos and didn't find a single street car or street engine.
TheOfficialKC 4 months ago
@TheOfficialKC Every engine in every car is a fully water cooled street engine running on petrol, even the motor in the 240z or the dragster you could take straight out and run in a street car with great reliability. These motors are not highly strung alcohol drag motors, the whole point for us was to show what could be done with a street engine and the only reason the motors ended up in the 240z or the dragster chassis was so we could use the power. There's plenty of street car vids there.
RIPSNZ 4 months ago
@RIPSNZ You can claim what you want about your engines, say they are street engines running on petrol(what octane?), say it can be run on a street car with great reliability, etc. PROVE IT. I know you can't prove reliability and I can't disprove it. But you can prove streetability. Put your engine in a road car, on pump gas and drive around. Does it idle low and smooth? Do you need a lot of clutch to get going? Does it surge or can you drive smoothly on low rpm?
TheOfficialKC 4 months ago
@TheOfficialKC I have plenty of custmers cars all over the world that are daily driver or weekend fun street cars that run on normal 98 pump gas, idle at 900-1000rpm, pull smoothly away from very low rpm, give great gas milage, make 225-275hp per liter and these engines are lasting many years, one in a very heavy street car ran low 10s on the weekends for 7 years untouched. On C16 we get them over 450hp/l drag them at National level and they are doing 3 years untouched, I think thats reliable.
RIPSNZ 4 months ago
@RIPSNZ The reason you can't prove reliability is you could be lying. You could also be telling the truth. That is why I have tried to leave that subject untouched.
Can you upload a video of a car with your engine in it? Like NRE does. Show it idle, full accelerate and pull from low rpm.
TheOfficialKC 4 months ago
@TheOfficialKC I have 165 video's on my channel, all showing customer cars and my own cars, showing winning National drag events, getting world records, showing sedate smooth street driving, pretty much everything you may think these engines can't do.
Don't get me wrong, a big american V8 will always be good in some conditions, just in the type of racing I do its not the best engine to use if you want to win, They've tried to ban me and now the rules have been changed to help the V8 guys.
RIPSNZ 4 months ago
@RIPSNZ Well as long as it isn't like a screaming Honda. It looks like you can build some stuff. We can just say there are two ways to go about the same goal. Small high revving 4v or big low rpm pushrod. It seems it probably takes more skill to make a good jap motor, but you personally can do that.
Racing is hard to define what is "better". When all considered9mpg, weight, friendliness, power, cost, etc) it gets pretty tricky. I like the sound and simplicity of a pushrod V8.
TheOfficialKC 4 months ago
@TheOfficialKC Cheers, it seems we do agree :-) I LOVE big V8s but when deciding which way to go in a class where you have to carry X amount of weight for every liter of engine size, it seemed logical to me to use an engine that could reliably make more hp/ci than the guys I raced against. They stuck with pushrods, I went 4 valve, efi, turbo and reliably made 8hp/ci on petrol. since wining the championship The NZdrag association have now imposed parity measures on me to try to even things up
RIPSNZ 4 months ago
@TheOfficialKC Lets put it this way, do I sound like some young internet idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about? Do all of the cars, records, video's etc all exist like I said they do? Have I at any time lied or at any time said what Tom does isn't fantastic? All I have done is given fact, truth, honest results with plenty of evidence while remaining respectfull to all I have replied to. There's more than 1 way to skin a cat and the way I do it gets results against the V8 guys, simple
RIPSNZ 4 months ago
@RIPSNZ One more thing. You obviously get results. What is it that keeps the big manufacturers(Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Ferrari, Bugatti, Lamborghini, etc.) from getting the results that you say you get?
I'm talking power+street friendly+reliable+fuel efficient. For example:
Ferrari V12 vs Chevy LS9
Bugatti W16 vs SSC V8
TheOfficialKC 4 months ago
@TheOfficialKC I presume its because they have to deliver a car to the masses that pass emmissions and last a long time etc. I'm no expert on any european cars and they don't really do it for me anyway, I just like the easy power (for its size) that can be made from some of the Nissan/Toyota engines and I enjoy racing against the big V8s (in a kg per liter class) and more often that not beating them. each to their own and as long as we all have fun thats what counts.
RIPSNZ 4 months ago
@RIPSNZ Can you cruise on the freeway at <2000rpm then step on the throttle and take off or does it not move until it reaches astronomical rpm?
Also, how many races a year does one of your engines compete in?
TheOfficialKC 4 months ago
@TheOfficialKC Of course it will pull smoothly from 2000rpm, they can easily have 15lb of boost by 3000rpm and in 4000lb street cars we have them doing 50-120mph in 4th (starting at 3000rpm) in 5 seconds, there's video's of us doing it on my channel,search "stealth bomber 50 - 120" trust me, these are not like some screaming honda that needs forever to wind up, these are true daily driver street engines on normal pump fuel making very good hp/l.
RIPSNZ 4 months ago
@RIPSNZ since you seem to think you know more then Nelson himself why don't we both shut up and ask the master mind what he really thinks about a Jap motor being more efficent vs his award winning work you have every right to your opinion that was never my issue with you but I have NEVER EVER seen a jap car even try to race a Nelson and so I'm still laugh at your comments. Go back to watching your jap car videos have fun
pyro74boy 4 months ago
@RIPSNZ Also check out the Nelson video of what the owner of a Jap supra said about the 2JZ vs a 427 V8 and how unreliable the 2JZ was when compared to the 427 and then come back and tell me how un efficient Nelson motors really are. You claim to know who Tom Nelson is but yet your comments say otherwise. Your going to call someone out on the word efficiency When Mr Nelson wrote the book on the subject and has won MANY awards year after year. You don't know Nelson so quit acting like you do
pyro74boy 4 months ago
@pyro74boy 2JZs are a shitload more reliable.
JeepYJJunkie 4 months ago
@RIPSNZ~ haha.... Rob buddy, trust me, its totally not worth your time. There are so many people on here that just wont learn. Semi brain-dead "patriots" who live in a fantasy world with their American dinosaur junk.
marek0086 4 months ago
@marek0086 I have nothing but respect for ALL cars but I have NOTHING but disrespect for your comment because you IDIOTS run your mouth without ANY PROOF TO SUPPORT YOUR GARBAGE all you have is your stupid EGO and your mouth talking smack but where is your proof where is this insane Nelson rocket ship beater of yours. Show me video proof or some sort of proof that a Jap car can beat a Nelson rocket car for real I'M not asking for your opinion I'm asking for HARDCORE PROOF. NRE is the best.
pyro74boy 4 months ago
@pyro74boy~ thats not the argument, u douche!
The argument is that Jap engines are far more efficient!!!
Power, without efficiency, isnt really power at all !!
marek0086 4 months ago
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pyro74boy 4 months ago
@marek0086 Your talking smack about Nelson and where is this jap car of yours that will blow the doors off a Nelson car? it's one thing to talk smack but to talk smack with no proof is stupid. Really I take no issue with people who like Jap cars but this is not a Jap car video so why in the hell are you going on a Nelson video and posting your GARBAGE and you call me a douche! LOL
pyro74boy 4 months ago
@RIPSNZ These american fanboys are eating your comment up dude. Thumbs up for you. Jap cars for life.
JeepYJJunkie 4 months ago
@JeepYJJunkie Um for the record I lke all cars you DUMBASS. Also for the record ALL my points are valid ones regardless of what you think or say. I don't hate on import cars what I hate on is little punks such as yourself running your mouth and where is this proof? ANYONE who would pick a Jap over a Nelson made car is a FOOL. I also love how you IDIOTS talk smack without ANY PROOF like maybe a import car beating a Nelson car. Go back to watching your import videos you STUPID IDIOT DUMBASS
pyro74boy 4 months ago
@pyro74boy How old are you? You're acting like a 12 year old. Calling me a "fool", "stupid", "idiot" or "dumbass" is just making you look stupid. I would choose a Japanese car over anything. Reliability and power. I personally don't give a shit what you think about it. Also, if you are 12 or somewhere around there, you need to grow up. People can have opinions.
JeepYJJunkie 4 months ago
@JeepYJJunkie Well I agree with you about one thing I personally don't give a shit what you think either, But I take issue when you get on a Nelson video and talk smack and give your STUPID BIASED OPINIONS. So your going to accuse me of being 12 based ONLY on the fact that I don't agree with your stupid fanboy opinion? take your own advice and grow up and take your stupid fanboy opinions to a jap car video where I'm sure many others will agree with you. Don't hate on me because I don't agree.
pyro74boy 4 months ago
@pyro74boy Once again, your missing the whole point. Toms engines make good reliable power because of their SIZE. For a Nelson 427 to be as EFFICIENT as my 182ci nissan street engine on petrol the 427 would need to make 3285hp ON PETROL. My "crappy jap motor" lasted 3 full seasons of competition drag racing and won the NZ championship AGAINST big american V8s with an oil change and a set of spark plugs. Tom would laugh at you if you asked for a bulletproof 3285hp from his 427 on petrol.
RIPSNZ 4 months ago
@RIPSNZ I hope Tom is reading the comments because your the one he is laughing at for real also he has worked on import cars as well so this really goes against everything you have said. Not saying that import cars are not fast as I would not mind owning a few of them myself but this efficiency shit of yours I completely disagree with you on and so will many others even people who have never had work done by Tom Nelson. Thoes of us who have taken the time to get to know him know you are wrong.
pyro74boy 4 months ago
@pyro74boy Out of interest, how much money are you prepared to bet on this? :-)
RIPSNZ 4 months ago
ok the main point here is why the fuck is there somebody here trying to compare a stupid 3 litre 6 cylinder to a 7 litre v8 with twin t88's? i see the point where smaller engines with the right mods can go as fast as the ones with bigger engines. it comes down to torque in a drag race! im from australia there is a company here offering 2200 hp 2jz packages for drag cars thats with NOS these engines dont last long at all
perfectdiversion 4 months ago
@perfectdiversion I agree, just someone before was saying a 2jz wouldn't stand a chance against the engine in this vid. Like I said, I'm not a 2jz fan boy, just the guys with the big V8s presume having a big V8 is the only way to win races and its simply not the case. BIg V8s make power from cubes, small jap engines make power from being a far better design and being far more efficient and in some clases of racing the small jap motor will win every time. each to their own.
RIPSNZ 4 months ago
BAD ASS TOM THE NELSON DIFFERENCE
vwdarrin 4 months ago
ROFL the 2jz boys are down to 6.3 yeah one pass new engine please! there is a NRE supra because the owner wanted a more reliable engine. fucken 2jz's....
perfectdiversion 4 months ago
@perfectdiversion is you retard? 2jz needing a rebuild after 1 pass my ass. pff, take your displacement and walk away in shame, because for hp per liter and reliability (which is all that really matters) 2jz and tuners got it...
TheRcDevil 4 months ago
@TheRcDevil ok maybe 3 passes out of an engine seriously the bigger engine is working less than a supped up 2jz these motors arent even running nos most of these big powered 2jz's doing quick quarter miles are running nos. isnt it common sense to realise that the bigger motor will always last longer than the smaller motor. the power coming out of a 2j these days you cant get anymore out of them. reliability is out the window
perfectdiversion 4 months ago
@perfectdiversion Might pay for you to do some homework, NONE of the quickest 2jz's use NOS.
RIPSNZ 4 months ago
@TheRcDevil Lets see a 2JZ make 1750 Horsepower on just 10 PSI that is what I have seen a Nelson motor do hell a Nelson motor can make 1000 horsepower without ANY turbo's or forced injection of ANY KIND. So what the hell are you trying to prove, The 2JZ is NO MATCH for an Nelson made rocketship.
pyro74boy 4 months ago
@pyro74boy Sure, if you have enough cubes those kinds of results are possible. Having won drag championships against BIG V8s with my 182ci 6 cylinder, I can tell you first hand, in alot of classes of racing having a big motor that makes 3-4hp per ci is NOT going to win against a small jap engine that can easily and reliably make 7-8hp per ci and I have proved that. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE big turbo V8s but don't presume you'll win everything with one.
RIPSNZ 4 months ago
@RIPSNZ you have never beaten a nelson car tom nelson is the leader in everyone else follows do your research on nelson racing because tom nelson a second to none that's why his cars are featured in major car magazines and all over television . this is also why many engine builders come to him for his expertise .never ever underestimate tom nelson and his award winning work . check his website for proof of his award winning work . never ever underestimate him trust me
pyro74boy 4 months ago
@pyro74boy Oh I don't underestimate him at all, your missing the point completley. I KNOW he does great work, just some people seem to think that having a big V8 is the only way to win races and it simply isn't.
What would you say if I said my 182ci street based engine running on petrol thats lasted 3 seasons of racing makes MORE hp per ci than just about any top alcohol dragster engine out there?
Toms engines are great because they are BIG, they are not particularly efficient though.
RIPSNZ 4 months ago
@pyro74boy But let's see an NRE engine that is built for $20,000 and does those numbers... Oh wait there starting engine is $30,000 and for more than 10 grand less than that you can have a fully built 2jz
TheRcDevil 4 months ago
@TheRcDevil Your dreaming if you think you can have a fully build 2jz done for 20 grand man, maybe a complete bottom end but thats about it, no way your going to get a complete 2000hp+ 2jz for 20 grand.
RIPSNZ 4 months ago
@RIPSNZ lol i know not 2000 hp + but you could get around 1000 for it : / ... this discussion is utterly useless anyways haha
TheRcDevil 4 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
oh my god i need one
JoeCfb 4 months ago
seen you guys go by my job that day, but i was working on the beach, could here that thing for a long ways away
JakeDusangTM 4 months ago
A word to 2JZ supra owners DON'T RACE AN NELSON CAR UNLESS YOU WANT TO GET YOUR ASS BEAT LOL!!!!!!
pyro74boy 4 months ago
@pyro74boy the 2jz boys are down to 6.30s in door cars, whats the quickest car out there with a Nelson engine? Genuine question.
RIPSNZ 4 months ago
@RIPSNZ I know of 5 and 6 sec Nelson cars. Nelson cars are the shit and NO SUPRA OWNER would ever want to race a Nelson rocketship. Tom Nelson is second to NONE and that's why even import fans have work done by hime check out the Nelson supra and RX-7. NRE is the real deal ,
pyro74boy 4 months ago
@pyro74boy Can you please show me one of the 5 second cars your talking about? BTW I'm not a supra lover but for hp per ci they are hard to beat.
RIPSNZ 4 months ago
@RIPSNZ The neat thing about Nelson's motors is the 6 second pass is the super low maintenance...That sort of reliability is not likely to happen with a 6 second Supra motor. Of course you could also drive the Nelson car home afterward...Which well...just isn't normal! :)
Peace!
Smokin07ram 4 months ago
@Smokin07ram can you show me a 6 second street car with a Nelson engine? No disrespect to Nelson at all, they do great work, I just havn't seen these cars your talking about.
RIPSNZ 4 months ago
I would think the way the engine sits in the back exposed to the sand that there would be problems with sand getting into the air filtering system.
99minerkc 4 months ago