Jeremiah 10, Heathen Christmas Tree? Or Graven Image?

[SRamdhani1]

Christians are free to celebrate Jesus' birth even though it is not commanded to do in the Bible (Romans 14). They who teach otherwise are teaching False Doctrine. In Esther chapter 9 the Jews CREATED The Feast of Purim which was not COMMANDED in Moses Law. When Jesus was born Heaven celebrated, the angels, shepherds & wise men also. Jesus' birth was a big event for God that He sent down a multitude of angels upon the Earth with the message of great joy to the world. Merry Christmas.

[XmassIsALie]

@SRamdhani1 - Christians who follow Christ are "free" to do God's will, The others are those who call him "Lord, Lord" but are "workers of iniquity". (Matt.7) That what Jesus said.

[XmassIsALie]

@SRamdhani1 - PS, you never addressed the issue of theological "syncretism" which is the root of this problem. The Bible condemns "syncretism". That is what the Solar-mass as a "Christ" mass is. Those are the facts.

[SRamdhani1]

@XmassIsALie Syncretism is in Lk.2:10. The message of great joy came to "all people".Christmas is a delusion & deception? That's your opinion. Like the Pharisees in Lk.19:39 & Judas in Jn.12:1-8, your opinion is wrong. After seeking God on this He has shown me that it is a phenomenon caused by the message of Jesus' birth which is associated with a spirit of great joy to all people. Sometimes God uses the heathen to get His will done. Christmas could be His will, who knows? Hence Romans 14:1-13.

[XmassIsALie]

@SRamdhani1 - Luk 2:10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. Syncretism? You have to be kidding, right? (1) Luke 2:10 has nothing to do with the Roman Solar-mass on December 25th as a "Christ" mass. (2) Nicolaitanism = syncretism, condemned in both deed & doctrine Re2:6,15. (3) Paul taught observing pagan ritual as "Christians" was "fellowshipping w/ demons". (4) Most of NT was written by a Pharisee.Php 3:5

[SRamdhani1]

@XmassIsALie At Jesus' birth a spirit of great joy came to all people. Because of this both the righteous & unrighteous rejoiced & celebrated when He was born,& still do today. Isn't that a kind of syncretism? Other than that there is none. Attending Church on Dec 25 to celebrate God's gift of Salvation that came when Jesus was born is no syncretism. Is singing & preaching of the virgin birth, giving praise, feasting & giving gifts like the Jews in Est.9 pagan rituals? & fellowship with demons?

[XmassIsALie]

@SRamdhani1 - What I don't understand about your theology, is that you cite premillenialism as your eschatology. Premillenialists do not (and never have) accepted "syncretism", unless this is something brand new that started last year? The Bible from Genesis to Revelation condemns this practice and theology as apostacy. Yet you defend "syncretism", and then claim Luke 2:10 justifies it (admitting it in the Roman Solar-mass as a "Christ" mass?) Do you realize how illogical all that is?

[SRamdhani1]

Jer.10 is not a Christmas tree.Christmas trees don't wear "clothing" as we see in verse 9. God has lots of Christmas trees that He decorates with snow at Christmas time. The Christmas tree is a specific decoration for a specific celebration.Christmas is a phenomenon caused by the message of Jesus' birth. It is associated with a spirit of GREAT JOY & came TO ALL PEOPLE. It still is today hence the worldwide celebrations.The Christmas spirit of joy is of God & not Satan as some want us to believe.

[XmassIsALie]

@SRamdhani1 - Christmas is a delusion and a deception. It has nothing to do with Christ and never did. It is the worship of Rome's sungod Apollyon. The Catholics who invented tell you that is what they did? You know more about it, than those who invented it?

[SRamdhani1]

@XmassIsALie To you,Christmas has nothing to do with Christ.Well, that's your opinion. But like the Pharisees in Lk 19:39, & Judas in Jn 12:1-8, your opinion is wrong. I think you are violating God's warnings in Romans 14. For true worship comes from the heart, & only God can see that.

[XmassIsALie]

@SRamdhani1 - No actually, true worship comes from "spirit and truth", which Christmas is not. And you are speaking complete ignorance about pharisees. A pharisee wrote most of the New Testament. Php 3:5 They were condemned for compromising with sun-god worship in the synagogue Re.2:9, then being strict over things that had nothing to do with anything God commanded. They were practicing hypocrites, for the very same reason "Christians" doing Rome's solar-mass to Apollyon as a "Christ" mass are.

[SRamdhani1]

@XmassIsALie The Pharisee that wrote most of the New Testament was a good one. The sun-god religion is dead,thanks to Christmas & Jesus' birth. No,Christians who celebrate Christmas are not doing Rome's solar-mass to Apollyon. That's your opinion. Based on your judgment, then they who celebrate New Years Eve are worshipping me, because that's my birthday. See why the Holy Spirit gave us Rom.14 ? You may be sincere in your belief, if so, then you are sincerely wrong. But I respect your opinion.

[XmassIsALie]

@SRamdhani1 - Sungod religion is dead?!? LOL!! Ok SRamdhani, then ask yourself why does the idol of "Christ" at the Vatican every December 25th, have sun-spikes sticking out it's head, and look exactly like Apollo? Why is it's birthday on the "solar-solstice"? Why the Eucharist (in "Christ" mass) held in a metal "Sunburst"? Why the wafer in the shape of "Sun"? Why did Rome's "Fathers" call their non-Jewish, non-fleshly Roman Christ the "sun of the sun"? Ask a "Mason" if "solar-worship" is dead.

[XmassIsALie]

@SRamdhani1 - Even the "Christian" U.S. Congress, admitted in Congressional Record E13461, the REASON they were making "Christmas" a "federal law" was BECAUSE it was (NOT Christian) but the "worship of the Sun" in ancient Rome. The worship of Sol Invictus!!! The "Unconquered Sun". Masons were behind this move, and they are also behind most of this in Christian Churches. They know precisely what it is. They say so themselves. They TELL YOU that is what it is. Please don't remain in denial.

[SRamdhani1]

@XmassIsALie If the U.S. Congress thought Christmas was not Christian then that was their opinion. There are opposing opinions on Christmas. Who said their opinion was right? Maybe some people use Christmas to worship other gods. But a true Christian worships Christ when he celebrates it, NOT any pagan god. Another reason not to judge according to Romans chapter 14.

[XmassIsALie]

@SRamdhani1 - You can call a cat a dog till you're blue in the face, and even convince yourself it is true, It will not make the cat turn into a dog. People being happy Christ was born, had nothing to do with Rome's continuation of the worship of Apollo "as a "Christ" mass. You are simply lying to yourself to maintain that claim, even rejected by secular historians, and Rome itself. Rome itself, the people who invented the practice. How dull can you get? Rome even tells you what they did.

[shempmocurly]

Look... I take a tree out the forest, I bring it inside , I adorn it with My offerings of gold and silver which I place in it limbs and hang from its leaves , I then light it up and stare adoringly at it as I wait to open the Blessings ( gifts ) I recieve FROM under it's boughs ....HOW is the NOT worship of an Idol ????

[cameroncrazie818]

@shempmocurly It could very well be talking about Asherah's (what many cultures, particularly the Israelites used as worship during these times). They were wood carved into images of Gods and they were dressed up as Jeremiah 10:2-7 states it was. But I don't have Christmas trees just to be on the safe side.

[SRamdhani1]

Ever heard the story of the 5 blind men & the elephant? The one who touched the tail said, "It's a snake". The one who touched a foot said,"It's a tree".Get my point? Jer.10 is no Christmas tree. Trees don't wear "CLOTHING" vs 9. The worshipping of GRAVEN IMAGES made of wood,MOLTEN gold & silver is "the way of the heathen" that Jeremiah speaks of. Not a Christmas tree. They who teach otherwise are leading people astray.

[princessjudah]

@SRamdhani1 "For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

Jeremiah 10:4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not."

how is that not a tree...cut from a forest. fasten it with nails so it wont move, deck it with silver...hello, are we reading the same thing here? you should pray. it appears you have a deamon on you that wont let you see truth

[XmassIsALie]

@SRamdhani1 - Ever heard of Adam and Eve? God said it was a Serpent, Eve said it was "wisdom", Adam realized it was a sin, only way too late. Those who teach you to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, rather than obey the word of God, are snakes, in rebellion to God, and will bring your damnation.

[XmassIsALie]

@XmassIsALie - The bottom line is that theological "syncretism" is condemned throughout the Scriptures from the beginning to the end. If you are in a "church" that teaches "syncretism" as it's Christianity, you are in a false Church. You are learning from "Nicolaitans", not real Christians. Rev.2:6,15

[XmassIsALie]

@SRamdhani- PROOF JERE. 10 is ABOUT A TREE:

(1) Jeremiah doesn't prefce his comment with (this is ONLY about the "idols"). He prefaces the comments with 'LEARN NOT "THE WAY" of the Gentiles. He specifically applies what he is saying to their "entire way". Jer.10:1,2 This includes 'everything they are doing (Including cutting down the tree)

(2) The IDOLS he does mention, specifically are said to be placed "under the tree" (just as the practice is done today) Jer. 2:20, 3:6,13

(cont)

[XmassIsALie]

@XmassIsALie (cont)

(3) the Yalda Practice included "passing through the fire" (Jer. 32:35) Today it is retained as "Shanbeh Suri".

(4) There are no "large Idols" ever found in Israel that match the claims of how idols are being made in this text of this size. Not a single one. (Large golden idols were national treasures, very rare and expensive to make) Also so heavy & they needed no anchoring as described in V.4.

(5) The "angels" on the Ark were only 9 inches tall.

(5)

[SRamdhani1]

@XmassIsALie "Learn not the way of the Gentiles in Jer.10 does not mean their "entire way". For the Gentiles wear clothes, & we wear clothes. They eat, we also eat. They shop, we shop. They live in houses, we also live in houses. So obviously, it doesn't mean their "entire way" as you say.

[princessjudah]

U are mistaken. It is clear it speaks of a tree. The fact that christmas wasn't around proves the point. They did these rituals before christ. Fastening a tree with nails in their home. If u wanna celebrate the winter soltice and pretend its about christ that ur biz but u r gonna be held accountable for those u r leading astray.

[SRamdhani1]

@princessjudah In the story of the 5 blind men & the elephant, the one who touched the tail said it was a snake. Another who touched one of the feet said it was a tree. Jer.10 is no Christmas tree. Read it again.

[ST8URCASE]

your intent does not matter.its the meaning of these traditions.you can not justify wrong

[SRamdhani1]

@ST8URCASE Your opinion may not be God's. In Lk19:39 the Pharisees had a similar opinion but they were wrong.

[ST8URCASE]

@SRamdhani1 paganism is sin and you cant show a scripture which supports sin.the holy bible is God's word and nowhere in His word are we instructed to celebrate christ mass.youve aseen and heard the truth but continue attempting to justify your pagan ritual

[SRamdhani1]

@ST8URCASE True, paganism is a sin. But honouring God, giving Him praise & thanks for His gift of Salvation that came with Jesus' birth is not paganism. That's what we do when we celebrate Christmas. Disobeying Romans chapter 14 is paganism & a sin.

[princessjudah]

@SRamdhani1 the salvation came with his death...which is what we should remember the way the bible tells us to. NOT the way we want. so why not make a golden image of a calf and worship it and say it is in the name of Christ...that would be wrong..i REALLY want you to see that.

[princessjudah]

@ST8URCASE i agree. this person's mindset is what is wrong with the world. cant deal with reality so they rather pretend

[princessjudah]

@ST8URCASE so true and it angers me that people compromise their faith to partake in a little fun. why fight so hard for something with wicked orgins? Why not just choose another day? If you are truly a follower of Christ, one would not disrespect him by doing everything sun god worshippers do to the letter except say it is for Christ..blasphemy!

[clg79]

However, you are right about the "graven image". Look back in verse 2 where it says not to be dismayed by the signs of heaven. The sign of heaven is the angel at the top of the tree. Verse 14 describes the making of the angel. For the angel, is the only sign of heaven surrounding the Christmas Tree. Understand, Christmas was around before Christianity.

[SRamdhani1]

@clg79 The signs of heaven in Jeremiah 10:2 are the planets,sun,moon & stars (Gen.1:14). It is not the star on the Christmas tree.Pagans worship almost everything including trees & idols of gold & silver. The Christmas phenomenon is based on Lk 2:10.Its message is associated with a spirit of great joy & came to all people hence the song 'Joy to the world' & the worldwide celebrations. There was no Christmas before Jesus' birth.

[clg79]

Jeremiah 10 does speak of the tree. However, verse 14 is speaking about a golden angel. The angel for the top of the tree. That is the false sign of heaven that surrounds a custom, that has nothing to do with Christianity. The verse is clear when it refers to fastening the tree down with hammer and nails, "decking" it with silver and gold. The word "deck" is short for "decorate"..."Deck the halls", "He's decked out", "lets DECORATE the TREE".

[SRamdhani1]

@clg79 "..blue & purple is their CLOTHING.." Jer.10:9. Do Christmas trees wear CLOTHING ? Verse 14 speaks of GRAVEN IMAGE, "...every founder is confounded by the GRAVEN IMAGE: for his MOLTEN IMAGE is falsehood...". Pagans worship almost everything including the sun, moon & stars which are THE SIGNS OF HEAVEN in Jer 10:1. See Genesis 1:14.

[SRamdhani1]

So the 'Holy Spirit' leads you to violate Romans 14? How do you know what's in my heart when I celebrate Christmas?

[Shazoolo]

Good points.  I was going to make a video on this very issue in fact.

[princessjudah]

@Shazoolo no... not good points, this person is totally off. we cant partake in celebratons of the fallen angels/deamons and think it is okay because we think of Christ. would it be okay to kill a child and drink its blood as long as i remember christ? come on people...we can do better than this.

[XmassIsALie]

Along with the grammatical dependency of v.4 on v. 3 in the Hebrew, and reflected as such in all major translations, archaeology itself has graphically illustrated, that Jeremiah 10 was in fact about the Persian practice of the Solstice Tree, called a "Yalda Tree". Yalda is Persian for "Nativity", and was erected on the Solstice, just was the practice is continued to our present day. If you are sincere in your desire to know the truth watch: JEREMIAH 10 - CONDEMNS YOUR TREE

[princessjudah]

@XmassIsALie how did i know i would find you here? i am very concerned with this person? is this the way that the world justifies what they are doing? it is very disturbing. this person knows that the day is totally pagan but yet justifies celebrating? what kind of spell do they have on the people?

[XmassIsALie]

@princessjudah - Hey Judah! Yes, it's me. He doesn't care what it is, he does it because his religious leader told him to. That's why most do it, and all the rhetoric is just avoidance and justification. One thing is true however, he may be religious but he doesn't know the God of the Scriptures in any way. What is a shame is that he doesn't know (or realize) that's a problem. You also have to remember 2 Thess 2 explains they will not "see". It is a "delusion" sent to punish, unfortunately.