Diamond formation? Didnt even know they had a name for this. We ran this formation to compliment our Power T. We also wedged in this formation. I think thats the name of the game. Keep things simple and run it down their throats, you gain 3-4 yards per play and eat the clock. Great job!!
I think before you make a statement like that maybe you ought to ask the question How many kids do we have in school. (college) Do your homework first.
@Chang40 its all good coach, had me thinkin i said something wrong..but i do see alot of naysayers of this formation..do what works for your kids..Take care and good luck on the upcoming season!!!
excellent use of formation I coach little league 6-8 kids n we're not "supposed" to blitz and even though I do defense I tell the oc to run things like this consider they have to have a gap somewhere on the line so lets wedge it 90% of the time. i like the toss superpower also. great utilization of wedgeing off tackle
I coached against a version of this this season. It is a NIGHTMARE to defend because it is so simple. They either get 3-4 yards a pop (on average) or break one outside and tear you up. Also they hold the ball the whole damn half so you maybe only get 3-4 possessions and the pressure is really on your own offense to score. In our experience,the only way to stop it consistently was to have sure tacklers at LB and a D line that routinely gets lower than their O line and can cause a pileup.
I think it is kind of rediculus to say that this type of offense in not good because no one uses it above the high school level. Well, this is the high school level, so it dosnt matter what the pros do.Alot highschool teams try to run a pro style offense and that just dosnt work at this age(usually).In Virginia, stone brigde runs the direct snap single wing offense, which hasnt been used in pros or college for decades.Theyve won many state tiltles with it.Just good oldfashioned smash mouth ball.
By the way, our 12 yr old team scored 156 points in 8 games with this kind of offense; 93 points so far this year in three games; our kids love it; meanwhile our opponents are trying to use college-level spread plays with total failure (no one has scored on us in three games). Their kids are demoralized. We get at least 2-3 picks a game when their QB throws a lame duck fly pass or trys a bubble screen.
Myth #1-this is "smashmouth" football (whatever that is). It's just physics. If you concentrate more force at the point of attack than your opponent, you will advance the ball.
Myth#2-This type of offense is not used beyond youth or middle school. WRONG! All football offense is based on overwhelming force at the point of attack. Current term du jour for force: mismatch. "Force" can be doubleteams for linemen, speed for receivers.
Do tight formations first, then break their back with spread
yo y r u guys hating? thers an old sayin that goes "if it aint broke dont fix it" and obviously the defenses cant stop them. id run this offense any day if it got my team the victory
@xaustinxedgex I've played football my whole life and i love it, in fact i plan to coach one day. And don't get me wrong i love running as much as anyone, but this is just boring to me. To me these plays are immature football, the whole point of this offense is to out muscle the other team, which is the only way they can win because the play are extremely simple. I mean why do you think that no team past a highschool level runs extremely tight formations like this??
@mrijfi This is nothing like any of those teams. if you new about football you'd know those teams uses the biggest line splits in college football. the whole point of their game plan is to run the option, the point of this is to wedge and trap.
@xaustinxedgex to quote the Dude... "Yeah, well, that's just like, uh... your opinion, man." To me, LOSING is boring. I could care less how I win as long as my boys get it done, and this offense definitely gives teams that are outgunned athletically more of a chance to win. And if you DO have better athletes than the other team... it's all over...
@xaustinxedgex No team past the high school level runs this because once you get to college and above, you can recruit. High schools must play with the cards they're dealt. If you don't have super stars, you have to work with what you've got. This kind of offense allows you to make use of numbers and blocking angles - much like the double wing. Boring? Sure. But immature? Not in the least. If you think so, perhaps you should study up on your football history.
@acrolite where in football has it shown that this isn't immature. Sure it was one of the first offenses created, but thats why it's immature, we don't need this offense anymore because there is more advanced ways to play. and I feel bad for these kids because they are at a disadvantage for college recruiting because colleges aren't looking for qb's that only throw play action or running backs that only run sweeps and trap or lineman who can't straight up pass block. go educate yourself.
@xaustinxedgex this entire section of film is dedicated to the diamond formation man. The DW has many different plays other than wedge and superpower in this video. Moving the ball up the gut is immature? Teams past high school? Navy runs a version of the doublewing. Do your research before you talk. Navy's DW has much more advanced options to it but is just as hard to defend. HS coaches only have limited time to teach unlike college and pros which becomes almost their entire life.
@tensecLT1 I'm not attacking the double ting at all! I'm saying this version is immature, for your information Navys version of the DW is completely different, it revolves around the option and superwide splits. This offense revolves around the trap and super tight spilts, so actually the offenses are not anything alike. Navys offense is more similar to a spread offense under center, in fact Paul Johnson at Georgia Tech (who used to coach at Navy) refuses to call his offense a flexbone
@tensecLT1 or a double wing. He will only call it a spread. So before you say I don't know what I'm talking about you should research, because a formation is really irrelevant to a football play, it is more about what the play looks like from sideline to side line pre-play. and I'm pretty sure that not many, if any, D1 recruits come out of a system like this, thus... Immature football.
@xaustinxedgex as I said you're watching ball control football that is hard to stop. you're also watching ONE section/formation of what the DW is about. So you're telling me that the superpower sweep or the doublewing counter is immature football? and running a sweep out of the Power I is NOT immature? What you need to be clear on is that you think THIS specific formation out of DW is immature.... In youth football this is golden.. Cause passing is too dangerous and unreliable.
@joboots007 i'm not "spread happy" I love the spread and am in the process of learning the in's and out's of it, I actually grew up in and played in a smashmouth power I offense. I dont have a problem with teams that run double-wing wing-t or any other name for it. but it is never impressive to use foot to foot splits and run the same four plays the entire game, thus immature. so cool if it works for you, but just know your not allowing your players to fully bloom if they only use this offense.
@xaustinxedgex I disagree. Plenty of collegiate football teams still play ball control offense. Auburn with Cam Newton ran straight up QB power more than just about any play in the playbook and that's with the greatest offensive mind in football (Gus Malzahn) calling the plays. And i also plan to coach, so i know that whether it's boring or not, it's winning that matters.
@jlobailey79 Auburn runs one of the fastest no huddle systems in football? thats not a "ball control" offense. and I have no problem with running powers, I have a problem with teams that run foot to foot splits every single play and run a millions fakes followed by trap. it's immature.
@xaustinxedgex Fast football isn't complicated football. Point being you do what works and you win. You say that you feel bad for the players on this team, but I've never felt bad about winning.
At my old Highschool, this formation is called the Diamond T, and our shcool won seven district championships, two state championships and put one current NFL running back on the field with it, over 16 seasons. The coach retired in 2006 and finished with the best win loss record in school history and was 5th in the state for all time wins. You dont need huge linemen or Division 1 backs either, I will admit, this verson of the Diamond is a little tight.
This would be a perfect for short yardage situation. I do like these kind of formations, but I'm pretty sure you have other formations. If this was your only formation and I was a coach against you guys, I would be telling my guys to chop at the o-line's legs. It seems to me, that this formation is based off of the big guys creating chaos. Gotta love those kind of formations. I do feel bad for that QB though, barely ever getting to do anything, but it seems like he runs, he looks like an athlete
This is REAl FOOTBALL THE WAY IT WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED TO BE PLAYED, not a bunch of girly boys throwing the ball all over the field and prancing about posturing like they're models or something, this is ball control, control the clock football, if you want to see girly boys prancing and dancing watch a flag football game down at the YMCA, or go to a dance club
@tecumseh22 You got that right! This is the way to play! Great job on the single wing box formation. Just grind em down to dust! My team runs to set up the RUN!
The way to stop this type of offense is simple....Be tougher and smash em in the trenches. Force them into 3rd and long. The spread offense is just the wing T and the Houston Veer combined. I would love to WATCH, COACH AND PLAY THIS CRAP. I would rather coach against it. Good Luck next year boys and keep your heads up
This is stupid, I hate this kind of football. It's boring, and i'm sure that this team gets killed when they play a team that can tackle well and is stronger then them up front. If i played for this school i would hate playing for this team
Thank You for the comment. We are not trying to impress people we just play tough smash mouth football. But just for the record this school won the State Championship last year (08) and made the State finals again this year but lost by 6 points. I can understand you not wanting to play for this team because it takes a tough dude to play football the way it was meant to be played. This is not for the faint of heart.
You mentioned that they would get beat by a team who can tackle well and is stronger then them? Can't we say that for every team in the country? Like it or not, it works for them
@xaustinxedgex I'd play for this team. I don't know if you ever played football, but this type of football is fun. Lots of hitting and contact I love smash mouth football up the gut. I love running plays.
nexxogen probably doesn't like it because his team probably got their ass kicked by that offense. If you are playing a team with a high octane offense, this offense is perfect. By draining the clock, it gives them a few less possessions each game, making it crucial for them to score on every possession. But the DW offense HAS to put the ball in the end-zone on most of their posessions
I think that coaches like this who are destroying the game of football should be banned from coaching. Permanently. WHO THE HELL WOULD WANNA WATCH, COACH OR PLAY THIS CRAP?
I am so sorry. Hit the wrong button. Please forgive me. Feel awful.
Chang40 10 months ago
Do the cheerleaders do anything besides the hello cheer?
axionjaxionj 1 year ago
Diamond formation? Didnt even know they had a name for this. We ran this formation to compliment our Power T. We also wedged in this formation. I think thats the name of the game. Keep things simple and run it down their throats, you gain 3-4 yards per play and eat the clock. Great job!!
jaymalietufa 1 year ago
@jaymalietufa
I think before you make a statement like that maybe you ought to ask the question How many kids do we have in school. (college) Do your homework first.
Chang40 10 months ago
@Chang40 I'm complimenting you and you come at me like that? Did i miss something?
jaymalietufa 10 months ago
@jaymalietufa I am so sorry. Hit the wrong button. Please forgive me. Feel awful.
Chang40 10 months ago
@Chang40 its all good coach, had me thinkin i said something wrong..but i do see alot of naysayers of this formation..do what works for your kids..Take care and good luck on the upcoming season!!!
June
jaymalietufa 10 months ago
it would of made this play better if on the 3rd time you played it u had #8 receive a pitch that would of thrown the d off:)
ninja2329 1 year ago
excellent use of formation I coach little league 6-8 kids n we're not "supposed" to blitz and even though I do defense I tell the oc to run things like this consider they have to have a gap somewhere on the line so lets wedge it 90% of the time. i like the toss superpower also. great utilization of wedgeing off tackle
kenellsmith 1 year ago
at 0:52, is the tailback allowed to inch forward? Does this not classify as a false start?
Also, if your team ever gets down by 7 with 2 minutes to go, do you have any passing formations? Or is Diamond your playbook?
lukecarlton6 1 year ago
@lukecarlton6 its a shift...legal. false start a person has to cross the line of scrimage.
deanj75 10 months ago
I coached against a version of this this season. It is a NIGHTMARE to defend because it is so simple. They either get 3-4 yards a pop (on average) or break one outside and tear you up. Also they hold the ball the whole damn half so you maybe only get 3-4 possessions and the pressure is really on your own offense to score. In our experience,the only way to stop it consistently was to have sure tacklers at LB and a D line that routinely gets lower than their O line and can cause a pileup.
cabal24 1 year ago
I think it is kind of rediculus to say that this type of offense in not good because no one uses it above the high school level. Well, this is the high school level, so it dosnt matter what the pros do.Alot highschool teams try to run a pro style offense and that just dosnt work at this age(usually).In Virginia, stone brigde runs the direct snap single wing offense, which hasnt been used in pros or college for decades.Theyve won many state tiltles with it.Just good oldfashioned smash mouth ball.
rjdawg19 1 year ago
By the way, our 12 yr old team scored 156 points in 8 games with this kind of offense; 93 points so far this year in three games; our kids love it; meanwhile our opponents are trying to use college-level spread plays with total failure (no one has scored on us in three games). Their kids are demoralized. We get at least 2-3 picks a game when their QB throws a lame duck fly pass or trys a bubble screen.
bigdaddy111058 1 year ago
Myth #1-this is "smashmouth" football (whatever that is). It's just physics. If you concentrate more force at the point of attack than your opponent, you will advance the ball.
Myth#2-This type of offense is not used beyond youth or middle school. WRONG! All football offense is based on overwhelming force at the point of attack. Current term du jour for force: mismatch. "Force" can be doubleteams for linemen, speed for receivers.
Do tight formations first, then break their back with spread
bigdaddy111058 1 year ago
do you wait til the play clock is low to switch to your actual formation? Kinda like a tempo offense?
TheDutch91 1 year ago
y r u guys hating? if it aint broke dont fix it. and obviously the defenses cant stop it so id run this offense any day as long as it got the win
theoaklandjoshers 1 year ago
yo y r u guys hating? thers an old sayin that goes "if it aint broke dont fix it" and obviously the defenses cant stop them. id run this offense any day if it got my team the victory
theoaklandjoshers 1 year ago
@xaustinxedgex I've played football my whole life and i love it, in fact i plan to coach one day. And don't get me wrong i love running as much as anyone, but this is just boring to me. To me these plays are immature football, the whole point of this offense is to out muscle the other team, which is the only way they can win because the play are extremely simple. I mean why do you think that no team past a highschool level runs extremely tight formations like this??
xaustinxedgex 1 year ago 4
@xaustinxedgex
And what is your point? It works for us.
Chang40 1 year ago
Georgia Tech..Army..Navy..Need I say more?
mrijfi 1 year ago
@mrijfi This is nothing like any of those teams. if you new about football you'd know those teams uses the biggest line splits in college football. the whole point of their game plan is to run the option, the point of this is to wedge and trap.
xaustinxedgex 1 year ago
@xaustinxedgex to quote the Dude... "Yeah, well, that's just like, uh... your opinion, man." To me, LOSING is boring. I could care less how I win as long as my boys get it done, and this offense definitely gives teams that are outgunned athletically more of a chance to win. And if you DO have better athletes than the other team... it's all over...
mcoltrane5 1 year ago
@xaustinxedgex No team past the high school level runs this because once you get to college and above, you can recruit. High schools must play with the cards they're dealt. If you don't have super stars, you have to work with what you've got. This kind of offense allows you to make use of numbers and blocking angles - much like the double wing. Boring? Sure. But immature? Not in the least. If you think so, perhaps you should study up on your football history.
acrolite 10 months ago
@acrolite where in football has it shown that this isn't immature. Sure it was one of the first offenses created, but thats why it's immature, we don't need this offense anymore because there is more advanced ways to play. and I feel bad for these kids because they are at a disadvantage for college recruiting because colleges aren't looking for qb's that only throw play action or running backs that only run sweeps and trap or lineman who can't straight up pass block. go educate yourself.
xaustinxedgex 10 months ago
@xaustinxedgex this entire section of film is dedicated to the diamond formation man. The DW has many different plays other than wedge and superpower in this video. Moving the ball up the gut is immature? Teams past high school? Navy runs a version of the doublewing. Do your research before you talk. Navy's DW has much more advanced options to it but is just as hard to defend. HS coaches only have limited time to teach unlike college and pros which becomes almost their entire life.
tensecLT1 10 months ago
@tensecLT1 I'm not attacking the double ting at all! I'm saying this version is immature, for your information Navys version of the DW is completely different, it revolves around the option and superwide splits. This offense revolves around the trap and super tight spilts, so actually the offenses are not anything alike. Navys offense is more similar to a spread offense under center, in fact Paul Johnson at Georgia Tech (who used to coach at Navy) refuses to call his offense a flexbone
xaustinxedgex 10 months ago
@tensecLT1 or a double wing. He will only call it a spread. So before you say I don't know what I'm talking about you should research, because a formation is really irrelevant to a football play, it is more about what the play looks like from sideline to side line pre-play. and I'm pretty sure that not many, if any, D1 recruits come out of a system like this, thus... Immature football.
xaustinxedgex 10 months ago
@xaustinxedgex as I said you're watching ball control football that is hard to stop. you're also watching ONE section/formation of what the DW is about. So you're telling me that the superpower sweep or the doublewing counter is immature football? and running a sweep out of the Power I is NOT immature? What you need to be clear on is that you think THIS specific formation out of DW is immature.... In youth football this is golden.. Cause passing is too dangerous and unreliable.
tensecLT1 10 months ago
@xaustinxedgex
3 d1 players out of this system
Chang40 10 months ago
@Chang40 at what position?
xaustinxedgex 10 months ago
@xaustinxedgex RB, TE, LB
Chang40 10 months ago
@tensecLT1 and just f.y.i. I played in a prostyle like offense in high school and their was plenty of time to teach it.
xaustinxedgex 10 months ago
@xaustinxedgex Too spread-happy,aren't you Austin????
And BTW not every school is geared to run the spread,you know that
joboots007 10 months ago
@joboots007 i'm not "spread happy" I love the spread and am in the process of learning the in's and out's of it, I actually grew up in and played in a smashmouth power I offense. I dont have a problem with teams that run double-wing wing-t or any other name for it. but it is never impressive to use foot to foot splits and run the same four plays the entire game, thus immature. so cool if it works for you, but just know your not allowing your players to fully bloom if they only use this offense.
xaustinxedgex 10 months ago
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joboots007 10 months ago
@xaustinxedgex I disagree. Plenty of collegiate football teams still play ball control offense. Auburn with Cam Newton ran straight up QB power more than just about any play in the playbook and that's with the greatest offensive mind in football (Gus Malzahn) calling the plays. And i also plan to coach, so i know that whether it's boring or not, it's winning that matters.
jlobailey79 8 months ago
@jlobailey79 Auburn runs one of the fastest no huddle systems in football? thats not a "ball control" offense. and I have no problem with running powers, I have a problem with teams that run foot to foot splits every single play and run a millions fakes followed by trap. it's immature.
xaustinxedgex 8 months ago
@xaustinxedgex Fast football isn't complicated football. Point being you do what works and you win. You say that you feel bad for the players on this team, but I've never felt bad about winning.
jlobailey79 8 months ago
At my old Highschool, this formation is called the Diamond T, and our shcool won seven district championships, two state championships and put one current NFL running back on the field with it, over 16 seasons. The coach retired in 2006 and finished with the best win loss record in school history and was 5th in the state for all time wins. You dont need huge linemen or Division 1 backs either, I will admit, this verson of the Diamond is a little tight.
freddheath 1 year ago
this is good formation...talk about controlling the time of the game...i thought this formation was called the starbuck formation
seneca55 1 year ago
This would be a perfect for short yardage situation. I do like these kind of formations, but I'm pretty sure you have other formations. If this was your only formation and I was a coach against you guys, I would be telling my guys to chop at the o-line's legs. It seems to me, that this formation is based off of the big guys creating chaos. Gotta love those kind of formations. I do feel bad for that QB though, barely ever getting to do anything, but it seems like he runs, he looks like an athlete
TheManTJ 1 year ago
This is REAl FOOTBALL THE WAY IT WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED TO BE PLAYED, not a bunch of girly boys throwing the ball all over the field and prancing about posturing like they're models or something, this is ball control, control the clock football, if you want to see girly boys prancing and dancing watch a flag football game down at the YMCA, or go to a dance club
tecumseh22 1 year ago
@tecumseh22 You got that right! This is the way to play! Great job on the single wing box formation. Just grind em down to dust! My team runs to set up the RUN!
coachsoop 1 year ago
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tecumseh22 1 year ago
lmao.
piazzajordan2 2 years ago
The way to stop this type of offense is simple....Be tougher and smash em in the trenches. Force them into 3rd and long. The spread offense is just the wing T and the Houston Veer combined. I would love to WATCH, COACH AND PLAY THIS CRAP. I would rather coach against it. Good Luck next year boys and keep your heads up
wcatfish 2 years ago
i don't get what's wrong with it ? they r just running the ball and the line is getting a better jump ...
yalelax2012 2 years ago
This is stupid, I hate this kind of football. It's boring, and i'm sure that this team gets killed when they play a team that can tackle well and is stronger then them up front. If i played for this school i would hate playing for this team
xaustinxedgex 2 years ago
Thank You for the comment. We are not trying to impress people we just play tough smash mouth football. But just for the record this school won the State Championship last year (08) and made the State finals again this year but lost by 6 points. I can understand you not wanting to play for this team because it takes a tough dude to play football the way it was meant to be played. This is not for the faint of heart.
Chang40 2 years ago
@xaustinxedgex
You mentioned that they would get beat by a team who can tackle well and is stronger then them? Can't we say that for every team in the country? Like it or not, it works for them
thevoiceofreason2010 2 years ago
@xaustinxedgex I'd play for this team. I don't know if you ever played football, but this type of football is fun. Lots of hitting and contact I love smash mouth football up the gut. I love running plays.
Cogitation7 1 year ago
Besides if your not smart enough as a coach to stop what the defense is doing, why are you coaching?
abmmovies 2 years ago
Nexxogen,
You're a spread (chuck & duck) lover, aren't you?
How is an awesome offense like the DW "destroying" the game of football? Those who want to dominate & win are those that coach and play this "crap".
A little history for ya: The double wing & single wing formations were around LONG before the flavor-of-the-month spread offenses.
IchabodWeeyums 2 years ago
1. No, I actually HATE the spread. I'm all about the I option Nebraska style offense. And you though you were really smart didn't you?
2. This is NOT a double wing formation dude, I don't know what drugs you're on. I respect the DW a lot even thou I'm not a fan.
I don't care whether you win or loose with this SHIT. It's just BORING AND UGLY AS HELL.
nexxogen 2 years ago
1. Thought I was smart?
No. Just stating the obvious. Admit it, a wing back stole your lunch money one time, didn't he? Is this the source of your hatred?
2. Drugs? Nah. Sorry to disappoint you. They start off in a diamond formation, then shift to that "BORING AND UGLY" "SHIT" formation.
You were too busy trying to come up with your next, coolest comeback to notice, it seems.
Why waste your time watching these videos, then going so far to comment on them?
Go watch some mid 90's Husker vids.
IchabodWeeyums 2 years ago
@IchabodWeeyums
nexxogen probably doesn't like it because his team probably got their ass kicked by that offense. If you are playing a team with a high octane offense, this offense is perfect. By draining the clock, it gives them a few less possessions each game, making it crucial for them to score on every possession. But the DW offense HAS to put the ball in the end-zone on most of their posessions
thevoiceofreason2010 2 years ago
I think that coaches like this who are destroying the game of football should be banned from coaching. Permanently. WHO THE HELL WOULD WANNA WATCH, COACH OR PLAY THIS CRAP?
nexxogen 2 years ago
hahahaha.....5 out 8 teams here in NC that won a high school championship last year, ran this type of formation. lol Good obeservation though......
timothyscottgilbert 2 years ago
sad that they couldent shut that down so easy to stop them.
dominicsneekgeek 2 years ago
Ohh!! 4 yards and a cloud of dust! Gotta love those throwback formations
TheJpolk93 2 years ago 3
Are yall serious? Is this like single A ball or something. How can people not stuff this?
SouthPikeboy2 2 years ago
no its actually 2a.lol
but still
jimbean99 2 years ago
two things:
a.) do you guys ever throw the ball?
b.) your o-line is pretty good, but how often does the opponent stop you guys three and out?
I'm not criticizing, just making observations.
harveybullocks1281 2 years ago
rarely throw.We only punted 12 times this year
Chang40 2 years ago
@Chang40 do you have a playbook of some of the basics you run?
I am going to be coaching little league and I think this would be great for them. Teach them smash mouth.
Where is the school that runs this?
I like it....i think its clever...its another way of the triple option.
j10eff 1 year ago
hahaha thats awesome!!
ramzie4718 3 years ago