Oh yeah, and now he doesn't throw up every time he eats or every other time he drinks anything, that's because of the awful demon that is weed, You know, the deadly horrible drug that destroys people. Apparently holding down your food is somehow harmful. But don't think for a moment the government or doctors will change their behaviour to help people, they aren't in the business to help anything but their wallets.
drugs that do nothing for pain. He went to a new doctor because his old one moved and his new doctor determined he had severe nerve damage on top of everything else. Guess what, now he doesn't even see doctors but maybe once every 4 or 5 months, he gave up on them. Now what does he get for the pain? Just the drugs he is able to get, street drugs. Now he is able to shop for groceries clean his apartment walk around the block and almost raise his arms over his head.That's how well doctors work
grabbed his head and twised it around the day after his surgery, she said he needed to move and work his neck out, it was her at that moment that made it impossible to straighten his neck ever again, her excuse? an old man had the exact same surgery as my brother and was back to work the next day, which is something that has never happened in the entire history of medicine. When they let him out he was almost able to stand up again, they reduced his painkiller prescription to over the counter
4 years a doctor finally admitted my brother will never be any better and started prescribing proven painkillers, then he got in a wreck, broke his neck and arm and skinned the top of his head, the hospital refused to give him the drugs he was prescribed and got rid of the physical therapy he was prescribed (prescribed his insurance would pay for it but not anymore) after surgery on his neck nurses started pushing him to get out, he couldn't move anything but his toes. One bitch nurse
be one of the worst in the country. The nurses stole most of the little medication the doctors gave him and they searched through the bag of stuff we brought him to pass the time every time they thought he was asleep. When he got out (still not walking) they referred him to "thebest pain specialist in the state", which turned out to be one of the least informed doctors in the world who would only give my brother prescriptions for incredibly expensive and incredibly experimental drugs. After
Dude my brotherwas having severe back pains from bone fragments in his spine, after a month his doctor told him she couldn't do anything to ease his pain unless he agreed to a surgery, she claimed 98 percent of the time patients are ready to go right back to work within days. He had the surgery, he couldn't walk for months because of the pain. The hospital kicked him out after a week, he couldn't even roll over by himself, they refered him to "the best rehab in the state" which turned out to
@movadoband Cleaner is better, but our great government is taking control of just about everything and more and more as the years go by. The words "We The People" come to mind for some reason :S Change is not always good in my humble opinion.
When you take things like vicodin it is very important to keep track of the amount of acetaminophen that you take from other meds and the vicodin. If they outlaw vicodin and percocet there will just be more people taking oxycontin which has a much higher addiction rate.
Orwellian do-gooder lip service is relied upon for imposing & allowing for all sorts of evil & anti-democratic measures, including the DESIRE of medical community to refuse and deny people relief while blithely dismissing their plight in the name of abiding top-down, police state ideology/hierarchy. The various machinations of the phony "war on drugs" has ZERO to do with actual concern over public safety, just as the "war on terror" has its ulterior aims. Never underestimate the power of denial.
The police state's phony "war on drugs" (a right-wingers WET DREAM, as is the equally phony "war on(OF) terror") propaganda has infected the public mind to the extent that many of the society's disciplines and professions are comprised of individuals raised within this diseased social environment/mindset that endorses apathy and carless negelct while, of course, promoting those qualities as being the exact opposite of what they actually are and represent. The US is a BRAINWASHED populace.
The desperate want of assigning blame over pain medicine abuse to the poor is akin to the equally false claim that the less fortunate and systematically disenfranchised who cannot afford to pay their medical bills (and the opportunists who file 'false' malpractice suits, another favored illusion!) are the primary reasons for the the criminally high cost of health care in the US. Pure bunk! Clearly GREED, authoritarianism and classism play no part! (sarcasm)
So DOCTOR Frank Fisher says that painkillers are just fine and dandy huh? There may be a lot of hype surrounding the issue but it's still a problem. Personally I think marijuana is a better pain killer than any prescription drug, and this is coming from someone who has taken plenty of "scripts" in the past. Medical legalization, in addition to taking away the risk of overdose and dependence would also take power away from the medical industries that push this shit on people.
The people that ban these drugs, which chronic pain people use, are the same people who go running for it when they get hurt; people dont have a lot of empathy until they experience severe chronic pain themselves, then it's a whole different story. If you havent felt chronic pain/lived with it, you just dont get it!
Americans quality of life has diminished so much because of the Federal government. We work like slaves for little pay and can't get the medications we desperately need without being called a drug addict. Land of the free my ass we can even choose what we put in are bodies.
I had pain and i got a buzz from percocet...maybe its bc i have a low tolerance. I DO wish I had some for my severe make me weep with pain menstrual cramps once in awhile...but i know not to use them unless neccessary
they will never ban perscription medicine that causes health problems with addictive values theres way to much profit.........if anybody reads this and doesnt understand let me simply put it to u like this they dont give a fuck a bout u and just give a damn about themselves and want to make money off of u.....
The fact that the FDA makes them put acetaminophen in it to deter drug abuse is messed up because some dumb users will end up overdosing on the tylenol. They need to lay off pain patients and junkies in my opinion.
I have a medical marijuana prescription. I was confronted by a Sheriff's Deputy in front of our compassion club and after showing him my MMP card he told me if he could he would make sure my wife and I were never in pain again, hinting that he would kill us both if he could get away with it. It's not the prescription, its what they prescribe.
@IFlick Wow, that is insane! I heard the feds are now going in to states who have 'legalized' MJ for medicinal purposes and they are going after the manufacturers. If they take away all of our pain relief, I would imagine there will be a lot of suicide. Maybe that is their goal?
I have been on Darvocet for two years. It is the only thing I can take and continue to function at my job with a herniated disk and another bulging disk. It has not had any adverse effect on my health. Why can't those it does effect badly be switched to a new medication without making the rest of us suffer? Who are YOU to tell me what is good for me. YOU don't know. That is between me and my doctor. You "citizen advocate" groups need to mind your own business. I am respsonsible for my health
you will see a noticeable change in mood if you have a tablespoon of olive oil a day my cat just died i took olive oil because i heard it would help and im getting through the news really well. olive oil is generally really good you aswell especially for your joints.
He IS NOT THE ACCEPTION! If you have severe chronic pain you do not get high, nor do you become addicted and we are NOT ZOMBIES! I am a zombie without my pain med though! Lets see how many of us take our lives that seriously need it! I know I will be one of those statistics and gone!
i know people that i went to school with that are already going to old mexico to get their prescriptions for pain meds and so on. if pain meds are taken off the shelf here then bootleggers will find a way to make money getting them for people. i look for them to take oxycontins off the shelf by the end of next year. they changed it last month to the abuse safe but watch what they do next. pull it completely. some people went to their doctors this month to find out their doctors are not writing
dr baker the chiropractor your a fucken dumb ass shut your little pie hole. You dont no an
atom from a sidewalk. your retarded babble is perposterous. banning cobination drugs aint a bad idea at all do you know what tylenol is . give me a break nigger, your stupid comments really tick me off. what do you think theyd be
perscribing, a bottle of whiskey, just shut your trap i hate people like you. your fucken stupid all you tylenol crack heads, your stupud and stupid. sooooo gdam stupud ahhhhh
Painkillers should be removed from the market, theyre just too dangerous. percocet and vicodin are for crack heads. We sjould start using dilaudid and opana and morphine and
pure codine, why do we need pain killers. next time your doctor perscribes you a med with tylenol key his car and shoot his kid.
I'll make this simple.... This gov. has lost sight of the fact that they are employees of the tax payers. Every 4 to 6 years they get a job performance review. This gov. has chosen to get involved in it's employer's health care. On November the review will be assessed and acted upon. The message will be: you're fired! As for sticking your nose in our patient/Dr. relationship, we will stop you. We will not allow you, as employees, to interfere with your boss's health care relationships. You are
this is the way my doctor put it to me..."if you have legitimate pain you most likely not experience the "high" that people who abuse their medicine do. Yes it is true you will become tolerant of the dose, and I will have to increase your dose but that does not mean when it comes time to withdrawal from these drugs we will not taper you off...we will taper you off just like we tapered your dose up." I respect doctors who are not afraid to stand up to the government oppression machine...
when i was a teen i had a very bad injury to my left knee with out any pain meds i dont know what i would of done and even with my pills it would hurt so bad ....and i didnt became a adict
this is true. tho i think if obama didnt come in after bush( cause he fucked this country up) obama could have done much better than how he is. the fact that anyone would want to ban something that helps so many people live normal lives, is just stupid
its not the pain that inhibits life, its the opiate medications that you very soon get addicted to. I think it is wise to think and act in the direction of banning opiates but it still has a valuble use as emergency treatment. What NEEDS to happen is physicians be more closely monitered and prescribe opiates only to serious life-or-death situations, and instead prescribe NATURAL Cannibinoids and promote healthy use of medical Cannabis to treat pain!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LEGALIZE - FROM CO.
@bigdog776 they do monitor opiates. And pot doesnt help everyone with pain. i used to be the biggest stoner in fucking town, but i have fibromyalgia and the pain was still to much, and pot made me more fatigue(it was sativa too). i take Chronic opiod analgesic therapy. oxycontin 2 pills a day every day. and work, and can do lots and lots of stuff. when i start to hurt i take a percocet and can work more. people that havent dealt with chronic pain dont know. banning these drugs would fuck america
pt 2- ..stop being a moron yourself ! To be unable to tell your children that drugs are dangerous - and fear that they will addicted ? You don't worry of your kid getting an accident and suffering like this guy ? You are more worried that your kid is a moron like yourself - well 'the sins of the fathers'-or rather their stupidity and being pathetic goes from generation to generation-cause kids learn how to deal with reality by doing exactly the same things we do-not what we say to them- WAKE UP!
You need to be unable to discipline yourself to get addicted - it's our unability to do anything ourselves as society thats the problem - that we are so pathetic and can't actually do a single thing. Every single one of us gets proficient only at what is repeatedly in his/hers life - and full of fear to anything unexpected. And then full of fear for dugs for instance - also -cause 'your children could buy drugs' - then start to raise them so they don't become morons as we are - yes that means..
The FDA want to ban Acetaminophen, not other drugs. It causes liver failure and and can be deadly in drugs that cause habits to form. There are pure forms of hydrocodone and Oxycdone. Stop letting other people think for you.!
@bigdog776 if they have proof of injury bad enough ill write them all day long.any pain med is addictive.and ill never loose my prescription.im on mine for life.get over it.
ive been on 10mg vicodin for leg surgery for 9 months it helps i only take 2 a day 1 in the morning and 1 in the afternoon banning pain killers that help people get well and can have some sorta normal life would be wrong by any means the goverment especialy democrats want power and they want control over us while they drive the $100,000 cars live in big houses drive suv's well i think its time as a nation in the 2010 vote we put republicans in the white house and in 2012 give obama the boot
that doctor is full of shit. if you take any painkillers long enough you get a physical dependency and withdrawals when you quit. still they shouldn't be taken off the market because they are useful, but the withdrawals can be hell on earth.
that doctor is full of shit. if you take any painkillers long enough you get a physical dependency and withdrawals when you quit. still they shouldn't be taken off the market because they are useful, but the withdrawals can be hell on earth.
that doctor is full of shit. if you take any painkillers long enough you get a physical dependency and withdrawals when you quit. still they shouldn't be taken off the market because they are useful, but the withdrawals can be hell on earth.
It's not just alarmist stupidity but alarmist stupidity with the purpose of serving big corporations. That's what reasontv does - they spread misinformation that serves to further the agenda of the bigboys. Nothing but a sad sack bunch of sell-outs.
Life, Liberty & Property. That's how Jefferson started the declaration of independence. The one piece of property that we have is our bodies. Our bodies belong to us! In a free society, a mans body is not a joint venture with the government. There is nothing in the constitution that gives federal authority in this area except a perversion of the interstate commerce clause. We need to reverse Wickard V. Filburn and make the feds understand the 10th amendment. One way or another, we will!!
This is alarmist stupidity. The FDA isn't banning acetaminophen, they are eliminating pills that contain a mixture of acetaminophen and an opioid so that people don't accidentally overdose acetaminophen, thus killing their liver, while escalating an opiate addiction. A physician can still prescribe acetaminophen and an opiate separately.
Mostly oxycodone helps me function, in fact with some pain relief the med gives me I gain energy. My quality of life is not good and could use about double that amount of oxycodone but this is what my doc prescribes. I am not addicted and never feel high from it. When you have chronic pain that varies from a 5 to a 9 on the pain scale the opiod goes to the pain. So sad that a med some of us take to get through the day makes others high. Some of us need the med for a reason.
I am a severe, chronic pain sufferer. Full body pain from multiple diseases/conditions. I take 2 oxycodone per day, which only helps a little but it does help. I have taken this dose for about 3 years. I have had to do without when my teen daughter stole them to sell once. I had no withdrawal whatsoever but I do take just a baby dose considering the enormous amount of pain I am in.
Well, it has been proven that prohibition didn't work back in the early 20th century. But if this ban on prescription pain meds, beware - it's prohibition all over again.
Sometimes I wonder if they ban things just so they can add more police on the streets. They would ban alcohol if they could figure out a way to keep people from rioting. Maybe all they need is a few more cops. In the past 20 years the police went from looking like Barney Fife to the Navy Seals, all sub-machine guns and ski masks.
Well, another good example of this is Cannabis. And Cannabis can't injure you in any way. The FDA is a bunch of idiots, along with ATF, and the majority of Congress. I digress, STOP THE BANNING! LET PEOPLE MAKE THEIR OWN CHOICES!!!!!
Look up Dilaudid or Percodan. It makes perfect sense to ban Vicodin and Percocet when safer and more effective painkillers are available. These reasontv guys are clowns!!!!
everyone is different and respond to drugs differently. the drugs in question even with the dangers may work better for some than the safer ones. why ban the drugs? make people aware of the dangers and let them decide. i can decide to smoke cogarettes if i want to, and they serve no purpose at all.
most people who take medication like vicodin dont get addicted, just a few. And most that do is because they took it willingly to get the high.
next your so called substitutes (Dilaudid/Percodan) cost about 5x more then these drugs there trying to ban. It is more cost effective to provide the drugs and the good that comes from them far outweigh the so-called "RISK of getting liver damage"
There are safer drinks than bourbon too, should that be banned as well?
It don't make "perfect sense" to ban anything that responsible adults purchase and use. There is the common misconception that a top-down control strategy is needed to keep people from harming themselves. This nanny state mentality is not only unfair to consumers and hurts the free market, it is oppressive and destroys personal freedom. It does however raise crime, as black markets thrive with prohibition.
Reasontv must be another name for all corporate sell-outs gather. There are substitutes available for vicodin and percocet - why is that option never mentioned????
This just in: Reason completely distorts the FDA position to make a cheap, anti-government propaganda ad.
The only thing hinted at being banned is drug COCKTAILS. As in, if you needed more than one drug, you wouldn't be able to get them mixed in the same pill because enough people are stupid enough to take their cocktail drug + additional acetaminophen.
So you don't think the FDA will later try to make it illegal to prescribe/sell separate pills that add up to the same ingredients as the cocktails? It's clearly a stupid law, and I'm sure there are plenty of warnings that come with Vicodin and Percocet.
Religious conservatives- not all conservatives/libertarians are religious, and even if they are, they don't all use religion as a justification for their legislation.
Gun enthusiasts- conservatives belief in owning weapons for self defense, not spreading relgion
Anti-Government- Muslim extremists are anything but anti-government; they want to implement their own totalitarian Shari'a law.
Anti-reproductive rights for women- just say abortion and not all conservatives are anti-abortion.
yet you ally yourself w/ the party that wants to take evolution out of public school education and has probably stacked the SC w/ enough Conservatives to deny a 13 year old girl the right to not carry her daddy's child to term after he came home drunk one night? I'm sure having Blackwater enforcing eviction notices for banks will be much more effective when sheriffs start balking at destroying their neighbors' lives.... Interesting culture you got there.
As I said, stereo-typed. Cultural relitivism involves understanding cultural differences first. You obviously don't. You paint up an straw man and then attack it. Sad.
gimme a break. Under Clinton there was the Million Man Militia worried about Reno's jack-booted thugs and then not a peep from those "patriots" when Bush put the Patriot Act in place and started denying Habeas Corpus (you know, from the Magna Carta, the basis for the Constitution?). Warrant-less wiretaps were fine but now ...ooooo, Obama is a Fascist/Socialist/Communist/foreigner...give - me - a - break.
@jrubin22: I still have a political cartoon of an FBI agent peering through holes cut into the constitution saying "oh yeah, you can see much better this way" I put that up on my fridge right when the patriot act was passed. Again, you clearly don't understand what we're about. Just keep attacking your strawman if it makes you feel better. Would it be right for me to presume that you'd back Reno and Clinton just because you identify with the left? You're right, they were Jack booted thugs
wow what an unreasonable video. all they are trying to change is the "combo" problem: people die from acetaminophen because they want the opioid effects for severe pain (or abuse).
It simply gives more control to patients and drs. Perhaps a slight inconvience, but could prevent hundreds of deaths, and that is likely a under-reported number.
But I could be wrong, since the vid doesn't really address the core issue.
If you're abusing vicodin, then acetaminophen can be dangerous. If you're abusing cough syrup, then the active ingredient can be dangerous. If we end the combination drugs, people will just attempt to take two separate drugs to achieve the same effect.
"It simply gives more control to patients and drs"
explain this, because logic tells me that telling doctors what they can and cannot prescribe to their patients and what those patients can and cannot ingest is the exact opposite of giving them control...
Great video, people really need to understand what its like for people to go through such pain from an accident and be very thankful that they are in great condition.
Good points BUT remember this was brought to you by your local pharmaceutical company... who may lose millions of dollars if someone iimits the use of their drugs..... these are really tough decisions!!!
Rush Limbaugh has been on Oxycontin for many, many years. His housekeper brought in 6000 tablets and his 6 doctors each presecribed O for him. He's a happy guy!!!
If Obama thinks its not good for you he will either have it banned or tax it so high you wont be able to afford it. The Democrat Party is the party of "screw what you think, we are smarter."
another black market for drug cartels to make a profit from !! of course we will have something far worse to take the place of pain killers like we did when they stopped making diet pills we got crank, meth leave it to the dea to screw something else up
Many people after an initial injury develop chronic pain disorders like complex regional pain syndrome, reflex sympathetic dystrophy, etc. This happens after the injury heals but the central nervous system is still sending pain signals to the body. These people need to be able to take narcotics like a diabetic needs to take insulin. If you don't believe me then google these disorders. Another attempt to ban narcotics is FDA REMS. For info google this.
This is so true. Too many who suffer from chronic pain are not treated or not believed. In todays time of modern medical miracles that should be unheard of! Not to mention the many that can't afford medical treatment a whole big different can of worms. Anyway, my response to this is walk a mile in a persons show who has chronic pain, and then you can comment about this!
Wasn't it Obama that said it would be cheaper for one to take pain pills than the high cost of healthcare.
if you hurt, fix it, but you can't live you life on pain pills. Then you just become a dope head and can't do simple things without being doped up all the time.
I've seen this played many times. Person fall hurts their shoulder than is on pain pills for the past 30 years.
they can't even eat breakfast without getting high. Not of the pain but being able to live at all.
you sound like an AA drone. are you broken? are you helpless? are you powerless over the influence of drugs and alcohol? most people aren't as weak as you and the people you know. i broke my wrist and had a laratab perscription guess what, i took them when it hurt and when it was said and done i had some left over. how did that happen?
i was arguing against the notion that every person that uses pain meds becomes a "dope head". my personal story was meant to show that. i can see how my comment could be interpreted the way you did. yes there are some people who have to live with pain their whole life and i think if they know the risks, they should be able to use drugs to make their time on earth more comfortable.
People make fun of videos like this untill it happens to them. I am a CP now IP pain patient. Have had my life ruined because of it and because docs and the public are afraid of the Gov't and DEA when it comes to opiates. Wake up, the statistics are there for all to see, Drugs are the least of this countries problem. Alcohol and tobaccos kill a thousands times more each year and rememeber poverty, Ma ny more people die of hunger?! Thedrug war is about oppression, fear & control!
We should be used to big government media sensationalism. I mean just look at the last decade, the media has tried to (and sometimes succeed) convince us we needed the Patriot Act, the war in Iraq, the stimulus, cap & trade, and the list goes on.
the man in the video said this would be an intensely cruel move. Well, the federal government is intensely cruel and sadistic. it's a law enforcement agency and nothing more. congress writes laws, the executive illegally writes laws and more laws to enforce them and the judiciary throws Americans in prison if they don;t follow the social constructs.
Thanks for rating Bernard and sending this my way. Suck it up and go through physical therapy without using your prescrebed meds. Suck it up. Make it move. Use the pain. Depends on the injury as well and your overall thresh hold for pain.
Reason is off-base in this video. All the feds are saying is that acetaminophen hurts the liver, and should be replaced with something like ibuprofen or aspirin. Everyone would benefit from the switch, including people in horrible pain as well as hardcore drug addicts.
aspirin is a good pain killer. but then did you know that it also causes ulcers in the stomach lining? the small ulcer then will leak gastric acid into the cavity where the other organs are housed. not a very good feeling.
Yeah, I've heard that. Ibuprofen is also acidic and can do similar things to your stomach. Two points though:
- aspirin and ibuprofen can be buffered or reacted with bases to avoid this problem
- no one is taking vicodin for the Tylenol it contains. You can leave that liver destroying element out of the pill and it will continue to be fantastic at relieving pain. If you really enjoy Tylenol, take them while taking pain killers. But remember, they're not good for your liver.
"Everyone would benefit from the switch" How do you know this? People can have allergies to aspirin and ibuprofen. But even if that wasn't the case, why is it the government's job to dictate THEIR vision of whats right on everyone else? If the government wants to do something, they should stop interfering and simply publish peer reviewed research on the matter which consumers can read if they wish.
I have asthma and the government banned my fast acting abutoral inhaler. because of which, I can't do any strenuous activity (it inflames the asthma) due to the risk if I have an asthma attack I would have no way to stop it myself
your albuterol inhaler was banned because it was CFC propelled. the fed thinks it's "harmful to the environment". it had nothing to do with the medicine provided. if you have an other attack, perhaps you should pick up your HFA propelled inhaler (same drug) that your doc prescribed for you.
oh, and by the way. that ban went into effect over a year ago. so, either you are doing just fine with the HFA propelled inhaler, you are using some other drug to control your asthma attacks, or you are lying about the whole thing.
or, if i'm wrong on all those 3, then you haven't had an attack in over a year, then you are doing just fine without meds.
Constitutionally, the Federal Government has no business, beyond advising the people, to ban anything not directly affecting interstate commerce, and only then when it has a direct effect on that narrow scope of its mandated activity. True, acetaminophen causes liver damage, but the Federal Government is acting outside of the Constitution when it attempts to regulate it. The Government demonstrates its failure, when it resorts to these extra-constitutional social engineering schemes.
1- the "American Academy of Pain Medication"? if that doesn't sound like a corp. funded special interest group then i dont know what is! and we're expected to take THEIR study as the Gospel's truth? in this case, Reason has failed to use reliable resource info to support their argument. this is an error i would expect from a democrat, not a libertarian.
2- the odds of a fed ban of pain meds is very unlikely. this is a clear display of fear mongering and paranoia.
@hpso12xu Actually, AAPM is a legitimate group for an ever growing medical field. You, like so many people, have been duped to believe that those of us that suffer from chronic pain are just addicts and hypochondriacs. To deny our existence and then deny us our needed medical treatment is akin to denying the existence of diabetes and then denying them insulin. How cruel. And yes, our government already demonizes us and limits the availability of medications.
...would you like me to give you a list of their corporate contributors? how about if i tell you that they all manufacture your pain meds? no "advocacy" group will release a study that damages their funders.
"You, like so many people, have been duped to believe that those of us that suffer from chronic pain are just addicts and hypochondriacs"
.... that's funny. i don't remember saying that. in fact, I DIDN'T. read more carefully.
@hpso12xu I don't care about their corporate contributors. And how would you be able to tell me who manufactures my pain meds when I haven't even told you what pain meds I'm on?
And your comment to the asthmatic proves how little about medicine you really know. Asthmatics don't go around in perpetual asthmatic attacks. It only takes one attack to kill someone. I average an attack about once every two years or so. And yes, the government does ban pain meds.
I don't know how correct my source is, but you need to take really high doses of that stuff for it to be dangerous. Something like 2000mg a day. Anything is dangerous if you have too much of it. Too much water can kill you for Christ's sake! This is just another case of a bunch of feds getting their jollies banning something in which the only real threat is perceived. My back hurts so I'm gonna go take some Tylenol PM before the FDA takes it away.
Do I understand correctly? Opiates that contain acetaminophen are to be banned, but opiates without acetaminophen (such as hydrocodone) are to be prescribed?
Great, I say; eliminate the liver-destroying acetaminophen; prescribe straight opiates.
i tend to agree with the point of view that that move was a bad one, but i do not understand is why are they pulling the prescription stuff. as for the over the counter, i can respect pulling that because honestly it is understandable for the FDA to try new things, and if it does little to nothing, then i guess they should find who are getting them, and abusing them. well that would be too easy wouldn't it.
"Government does everything at the point of a gun." - Harry Browne
Gov violates the non-aggression principle in all of its actions (taxation is coerced).
Isn't it time to start considering whether this immoral system of organizing society we call government is appropriate?
Empirically, government has grown every decade since its inception. Since day 1. It's unlikely to change course. Even if it does it will just grow again.
The problem is systemic. No reform can solve the issue.
400 people die per year from acetaminophen overdose? I don't believe that. My understanding is that people who try to kill themselves by taking tylenol just get an enormous stomach ache.
I'm growing ever more scared of the "should we ban X as well arguments", because I think they will, they will ultimately do it. They will ban life because it is too dangerous.
typical govt response punish everyone because a few cannot be responsible.
Punishing irresponsible people would have been my idea but I'm not as smart as the govt the govt knows that none of us can be trusted with anything that might harm us because none of us can be held accountable for our own mistakes according to the lawyers
i say drugs not being dangerous is even beside the point... if someone wants to take addictive drugs consciously knowing all the risks and dangers involved, then he or she has every personal right to without interfere from the government...
... So would I like to live Curled up in a ball on the floor with tears streaming down my face for the rest of my life? I haven't had a girlfriend in 9 years. I'm 32 and missed out on my 20's. Now, because of the pain meds I take, without the tylenol and liver damage added, I have a CHANCE at a normal life. A CHANCE. I thank GOD every day for Him allowing me to have this MIRACLE. At one point, I could not drink water without agony and was down to 124 lbs. I am 5'10". I hate to say this...
I live with pancreatitis and Chronic pain. It is constant. I have been to every hospital in New York City including Columbia Prez., as well as the the Mayo Clinic and countless doctors all throughout new York, New Jersey and even as far as Boston. I have tried every remedy that does not include pain medications, but they just don't work. I have been through Pain Management therapy. I have had 2 surgeries. I still live with this horrible pain that makes me curl up in a ball on the floor....
There is no added value to combining acetaminophen with narcotic pain killers. The acetaminophen is so weak compared to the narcotic that you won't notice any difference in symptom relief. So it is added toxicity with NO added benefit. Acetaminophen can be taken separately if desired. It is cheap an readily available. Reason is usually on the money. But this piece is EXTREMELY misleading.
Remember, it's not so much that you could get addicted, it's the damage caused by the non-addictive components they are worried about. They don't mind you high as long as you aren't dealing with liver failure... stupid.
You don't make rules for everyone based on what the marginal idiots do. We dont live our lives in boundaries designed for crazy people. Therefore, we don't get rid of drugs useful to 99 of us because 1 person is a screw up.
WEED.
Dimz909 2 months ago 2
Oh yeah, and now he doesn't throw up every time he eats or every other time he drinks anything, that's because of the awful demon that is weed, You know, the deadly horrible drug that destroys people. Apparently holding down your food is somehow harmful. But don't think for a moment the government or doctors will change their behaviour to help people, they aren't in the business to help anything but their wallets.
cheesitz007 5 months ago
drugs that do nothing for pain. He went to a new doctor because his old one moved and his new doctor determined he had severe nerve damage on top of everything else. Guess what, now he doesn't even see doctors but maybe once every 4 or 5 months, he gave up on them. Now what does he get for the pain? Just the drugs he is able to get, street drugs. Now he is able to shop for groceries clean his apartment walk around the block and almost raise his arms over his head.That's how well doctors work
cheesitz007 5 months ago
grabbed his head and twised it around the day after his surgery, she said he needed to move and work his neck out, it was her at that moment that made it impossible to straighten his neck ever again, her excuse? an old man had the exact same surgery as my brother and was back to work the next day, which is something that has never happened in the entire history of medicine. When they let him out he was almost able to stand up again, they reduced his painkiller prescription to over the counter
cheesitz007 5 months ago
4 years a doctor finally admitted my brother will never be any better and started prescribing proven painkillers, then he got in a wreck, broke his neck and arm and skinned the top of his head, the hospital refused to give him the drugs he was prescribed and got rid of the physical therapy he was prescribed (prescribed his insurance would pay for it but not anymore) after surgery on his neck nurses started pushing him to get out, he couldn't move anything but his toes. One bitch nurse
cheesitz007 5 months ago
be one of the worst in the country. The nurses stole most of the little medication the doctors gave him and they searched through the bag of stuff we brought him to pass the time every time they thought he was asleep. When he got out (still not walking) they referred him to "thebest pain specialist in the state", which turned out to be one of the least informed doctors in the world who would only give my brother prescriptions for incredibly expensive and incredibly experimental drugs. After
cheesitz007 5 months ago
Dude my brotherwas having severe back pains from bone fragments in his spine, after a month his doctor told him she couldn't do anything to ease his pain unless he agreed to a surgery, she claimed 98 percent of the time patients are ready to go right back to work within days. He had the surgery, he couldn't walk for months because of the pain. The hospital kicked him out after a week, he couldn't even roll over by himself, they refered him to "the best rehab in the state" which turned out to
cheesitz007 5 months ago
We also need to legalize marijuana for at least medical use. It's way safer then vicodin and less addicting too.
skeptictom818 5 months ago
i am moving to Canada. this country is sucks!!!
killyoubitch27 5 months ago
Well........you could always grow your own medicine.
rubbersole79 5 months ago
awesome....the cleaner the better...there are tons of alternatives.
movadoband 6 months ago
@movadoband Cleaner is better, but our great government is taking control of just about everything and more and more as the years go by. The words "We The People" come to mind for some reason :S Change is not always good in my humble opinion.
moguy200979 4 months ago
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movadoband 4 months ago
@moguy200979 the united states was started by a small group of wealthy men, I think that means them...mabye not the rest of us so much.
movadoband 4 months ago
Vicodin is such a tasty drug if it only it was healthy :(
MrBLuEx69 6 months ago
When you take things like vicodin it is very important to keep track of the amount of acetaminophen that you take from other meds and the vicodin. If they outlaw vicodin and percocet there will just be more people taking oxycontin which has a much higher addiction rate.
brpadington 7 months ago
Orwellian do-gooder lip service is relied upon for imposing & allowing for all sorts of evil & anti-democratic measures, including the DESIRE of medical community to refuse and deny people relief while blithely dismissing their plight in the name of abiding top-down, police state ideology/hierarchy. The various machinations of the phony "war on drugs" has ZERO to do with actual concern over public safety, just as the "war on terror" has its ulterior aims. Never underestimate the power of denial.
TheeUnidentified 7 months ago
The police state's phony "war on drugs" (a right-wingers WET DREAM, as is the equally phony "war on(OF) terror") propaganda has infected the public mind to the extent that many of the society's disciplines and professions are comprised of individuals raised within this diseased social environment/mindset that endorses apathy and carless negelct while, of course, promoting those qualities as being the exact opposite of what they actually are and represent. The US is a BRAINWASHED populace.
TheeUnidentified 7 months ago
The desperate want of assigning blame over pain medicine abuse to the poor is akin to the equally false claim that the less fortunate and systematically disenfranchised who cannot afford to pay their medical bills (and the opportunists who file 'false' malpractice suits, another favored illusion!) are the primary reasons for the the criminally high cost of health care in the US. Pure bunk! Clearly GREED, authoritarianism and classism play no part! (sarcasm)
TheeUnidentified 7 months ago
So DOCTOR Frank Fisher says that painkillers are just fine and dandy huh? There may be a lot of hype surrounding the issue but it's still a problem. Personally I think marijuana is a better pain killer than any prescription drug, and this is coming from someone who has taken plenty of "scripts" in the past. Medical legalization, in addition to taking away the risk of overdose and dependence would also take power away from the medical industries that push this shit on people.
boonskety 8 months ago
The people that ban these drugs, which chronic pain people use, are the same people who go running for it when they get hurt; people dont have a lot of empathy until they experience severe chronic pain themselves, then it's a whole different story. If you havent felt chronic pain/lived with it, you just dont get it!
zeeab 8 months ago
If anyone is stupid enough to keep taking Acetaminophen . Let them die.
lifeismasked 8 months ago
Americans quality of life has diminished so much because of the Federal government. We work like slaves for little pay and can't get the medications we desperately need without being called a drug addict. Land of the free my ass we can even choose what we put in are bodies.
tampabayismyhome 8 months ago 5
I had pain and i got a buzz from percocet...maybe its bc i have a low tolerance. I DO wish I had some for my severe make me weep with pain menstrual cramps once in awhile...but i know not to use them unless neccessary
pika23 9 months ago
they will never ban perscription medicine that causes health problems with addictive values theres way to much profit.........if anybody reads this and doesnt understand let me simply put it to u like this they dont give a fuck a bout u and just give a damn about themselves and want to make money off of u.....
jbzy077 9 months ago
If not Heroin is cheaper and more effective, and there is no paperwork.
yogonify 9 months ago
Fuck the feds.
Pent5HT 9 months ago
Opana is not bliss it is far less euphoric than oxycontin please. or percocet
Correctivemind 10 months ago
smoke weed!!
imapiece 1 year ago
WATCHING this is painful! You can interpret that any way you want. To the people who have watched it, made it or are in it.
TheNepenther 1 year ago
let them take the tylenol. the opiates are the only thing that works.
holyhineyhole 1 year ago
The fact that the FDA makes them put acetaminophen in it to deter drug abuse is messed up because some dumb users will end up overdosing on the tylenol. They need to lay off pain patients and junkies in my opinion.
MrBobbacanooch 1 year ago
I have a medical marijuana prescription. I was confronted by a Sheriff's Deputy in front of our compassion club and after showing him my MMP card he told me if he could he would make sure my wife and I were never in pain again, hinting that he would kill us both if he could get away with it. It's not the prescription, its what they prescribe.
IFlick 1 year ago
@IFlick Wow, that is insane! I heard the feds are now going in to states who have 'legalized' MJ for medicinal purposes and they are going after the manufacturers. If they take away all of our pain relief, I would imagine there will be a lot of suicide. Maybe that is their goal?
vickijava 8 months ago
lol they didnt ban percocet or vicodin, i love percocet, im addicted, and i love percocet when it is tylonal free. its amazing
mrPricehillbilly 1 year ago
lol
ScurKKen 1 year ago
I have been on Darvocet for two years. It is the only thing I can take and continue to function at my job with a herniated disk and another bulging disk. It has not had any adverse effect on my health. Why can't those it does effect badly be switched to a new medication without making the rest of us suffer? Who are YOU to tell me what is good for me. YOU don't know. That is between me and my doctor. You "citizen advocate" groups need to mind your own business. I am respsonsible for my health
JMcLC 1 year ago
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mfosheejr 1 year ago
you will see a noticeable change in mood if you have a tablespoon of olive oil a day my cat just died i took olive oil because i heard it would help and im getting through the news really well. olive oil is generally really good you aswell especially for your joints.
hideHYDEimcoming 1 year ago
He IS NOT THE ACCEPTION! If you have severe chronic pain you do not get high, nor do you become addicted and we are NOT ZOMBIES! I am a zombie without my pain med though! Lets see how many of us take our lives that seriously need it! I know I will be one of those statistics and gone!
dawntenor 1 year ago
i know people that i went to school with that are already going to old mexico to get their prescriptions for pain meds and so on. if pain meds are taken off the shelf here then bootleggers will find a way to make money getting them for people. i look for them to take oxycontins off the shelf by the end of next year. they changed it last month to the abuse safe but watch what they do next. pull it completely. some people went to their doctors this month to find out their doctors are not writing
39tommyboy 1 year ago
dr baker the chiropractor your a fucken dumb ass shut your little pie hole. You dont no an
atom from a sidewalk. your retarded babble is perposterous. banning cobination drugs aint a bad idea at all do you know what tylenol is . give me a break nigger, your stupid comments really tick me off. what do you think theyd be
perscribing, a bottle of whiskey, just shut your trap i hate people like you. your fucken stupid all you tylenol crack heads, your stupud and stupid. sooooo gdam stupud ahhhhh
hurryupche 1 year ago
Painkillers should be removed from the market, theyre just too dangerous. percocet and vicodin are for crack heads. We sjould start using dilaudid and opana and morphine and
pure codine, why do we need pain killers. next time your doctor perscribes you a med with tylenol key his car and shoot his kid.
hurryupche 1 year ago
@hurryupche hahahha Opana is by far the most potent opiate I have ever ingested. Stronger euphoria than heroin. Its pure bliss.
rsohlich1 1 year ago
POOLS AND STAIRS ARE A SCOURGE OF SOCIETY! THEY MUST BE BANNED!
Really though... Federal government, stay out of my body. It is not yours and none of your business.
ExponentialError 1 year ago
I'll make this simple.... This gov. has lost sight of the fact that they are employees of the tax payers. Every 4 to 6 years they get a job performance review. This gov. has chosen to get involved in it's employer's health care. On November the review will be assessed and acted upon. The message will be: you're fired! As for sticking your nose in our patient/Dr. relationship, we will stop you. We will not allow you, as employees, to interfere with your boss's health care relationships. You are
Blit67 1 year ago
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choop33189 1 year ago
this is the way my doctor put it to me..."if you have legitimate pain you most likely not experience the "high" that people who abuse their medicine do. Yes it is true you will become tolerant of the dose, and I will have to increase your dose but that does not mean when it comes time to withdrawal from these drugs we will not taper you off...we will taper you off just like we tapered your dose up." I respect doctors who are not afraid to stand up to the government oppression machine...
Alprazolam 1 year ago
when i was a teen i had a very bad injury to my left knee with out any pain meds i dont know what i would of done and even with my pills it would hurt so bad ....and i didnt became a adict
danialphaomega 1 year ago
this is true. tho i think if obama didnt come in after bush( cause he fucked this country up) obama could have done much better than how he is. the fact that anyone would want to ban something that helps so many people live normal lives, is just stupid
dillononeill123 1 year ago
Give this guy some really strong ass weed. No pain, and he can get super high! LEGALIZE IT! Just sayin.
SpeCulaTionS101 1 year ago
its not the pain that inhibits life, its the opiate medications that you very soon get addicted to. I think it is wise to think and act in the direction of banning opiates but it still has a valuble use as emergency treatment. What NEEDS to happen is physicians be more closely monitered and prescribe opiates only to serious life-or-death situations, and instead prescribe NATURAL Cannibinoids and promote healthy use of medical Cannabis to treat pain!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LEGALIZE - FROM CO.
bigdog776 1 year ago
@bigdog776 they do monitor opiates. And pot doesnt help everyone with pain. i used to be the biggest stoner in fucking town, but i have fibromyalgia and the pain was still to much, and pot made me more fatigue(it was sativa too). i take Chronic opiod analgesic therapy. oxycontin 2 pills a day every day. and work, and can do lots and lots of stuff. when i start to hurt i take a percocet and can work more. people that havent dealt with chronic pain dont know. banning these drugs would fuck america
dillononeill123 1 year ago
they ban this shit why? cus feeling good is illegal? fucking bible thumpers
drshields1988 1 year ago
All of these people should kill themselves for causing mass histeria about pain killers, these pain killers saved my life, literally.
laetrille 1 year ago
pt 2- ..stop being a moron yourself ! To be unable to tell your children that drugs are dangerous - and fear that they will addicted ? You don't worry of your kid getting an accident and suffering like this guy ? You are more worried that your kid is a moron like yourself - well 'the sins of the fathers'-or rather their stupidity and being pathetic goes from generation to generation-cause kids learn how to deal with reality by doing exactly the same things we do-not what we say to them- WAKE UP!
lalijan21 1 year ago
You need to be unable to discipline yourself to get addicted - it's our unability to do anything ourselves as society thats the problem - that we are so pathetic and can't actually do a single thing. Every single one of us gets proficient only at what is repeatedly in his/hers life - and full of fear to anything unexpected. And then full of fear for dugs for instance - also -cause 'your children could buy drugs' - then start to raise them so they don't become morons as we are - yes that means..
lalijan21 1 year ago
shut the fuck up
xxdibshetxx 1 year ago
The FDA want to ban Acetaminophen, not other drugs. It causes liver failure and and can be deadly in drugs that cause habits to form. There are pure forms of hydrocodone and Oxycdone. Stop letting other people think for you.!
SlowNMlow 1 year ago
i was like this man.lortab has given me back my life. Now i can study my books. In a few months I will be a doctor. I can help those in pain like me
TheWICCACHANNEL 1 year ago
@TheWICCACHANNEL Good luck with the withdrawal and guilt of putting others though withdrawal
bigdog776 1 year ago
@bigdog776 if they have proof of injury bad enough ill write them all day long.any pain med is addictive.and ill never loose my prescription.im on mine for life.get over it.
TheWICCACHANNEL 1 year ago
ive been on 10mg vicodin for leg surgery for 9 months it helps i only take 2 a day 1 in the morning and 1 in the afternoon banning pain killers that help people get well and can have some sorta normal life would be wrong by any means the goverment especialy democrats want power and they want control over us while they drive the $100,000 cars live in big houses drive suv's well i think its time as a nation in the 2010 vote we put republicans in the white house and in 2012 give obama the boot
Brianwwecw48 1 year ago
that doctor is full of shit. if you take any painkillers long enough you get a physical dependency and withdrawals when you quit. still they shouldn't be taken off the market because they are useful, but the withdrawals can be hell on earth.
Taurusaud 1 year ago
that doctor is full of shit. if you take any painkillers long enough you get a physical dependency and withdrawals when you quit. still they shouldn't be taken off the market because they are useful, but the withdrawals can be hell on earth.
Taurusaud 1 year ago
that doctor is full of shit. if you take any painkillers long enough you get a physical dependency and withdrawals when you quit. still they shouldn't be taken off the market because they are useful, but the withdrawals can be hell on earth.
Taurusaud 1 year ago
banning these meds will NEVER happen. it's a quality of life issue.
coral221 1 year ago
Good job .
bellapearls 1 year ago
@bigrred
It's not just alarmist stupidity but alarmist stupidity with the purpose of serving big corporations. That's what reasontv does - they spread misinformation that serves to further the agenda of the bigboys. Nothing but a sad sack bunch of sell-outs.
shahen13 2 years ago
No.
Seiku 1 year ago
Life, Liberty & Property. That's how Jefferson started the declaration of independence. The one piece of property that we have is our bodies. Our bodies belong to us! In a free society, a mans body is not a joint venture with the government. There is nothing in the constitution that gives federal authority in this area except a perversion of the interstate commerce clause. We need to reverse Wickard V. Filburn and make the feds understand the 10th amendment. One way or another, we will!!
Frumibandersnatch 2 years ago
This is alarmist stupidity. The FDA isn't banning acetaminophen, they are eliminating pills that contain a mixture of acetaminophen and an opioid so that people don't accidentally overdose acetaminophen, thus killing their liver, while escalating an opiate addiction. A physician can still prescribe acetaminophen and an opiate separately.
bigreddinosaur 2 years ago
Mostly oxycodone helps me function, in fact with some pain relief the med gives me I gain energy. My quality of life is not good and could use about double that amount of oxycodone but this is what my doc prescribes. I am not addicted and never feel high from it. When you have chronic pain that varies from a 5 to a 9 on the pain scale the opiod goes to the pain. So sad that a med some of us take to get through the day makes others high. Some of us need the med for a reason.
bluegrassy1 2 years ago
I am a severe, chronic pain sufferer. Full body pain from multiple diseases/conditions. I take 2 oxycodone per day, which only helps a little but it does help. I have taken this dose for about 3 years. I have had to do without when my teen daughter stole them to sell once. I had no withdrawal whatsoever but I do take just a baby dose considering the enormous amount of pain I am in.
bluegrassy1 2 years ago
Here's the straight dope.
I'm usually a big fan of Reason, but this video left out some important info.
First of all, the FDA requires (forces) Vicodin to contain acetaminophen, to allegedly deter abuse.
Therefore, they should legalize hydrocodone (Vicodin) without acetaminophen, and let both products be available on the market.
Same for all other drugs as well.
Make them over the counter too, instead of giving doctors a coercive monopoly on prescribing drugs.
GNAA9000 2 years ago 16
Well, it has been proven that prohibition didn't work back in the early 20th century. But if this ban on prescription pain meds, beware - it's prohibition all over again.
MyFreedomChannel 2 years ago
Sometimes I wonder if they ban things just so they can add more police on the streets. They would ban alcohol if they could figure out a way to keep people from rioting. Maybe all they need is a few more cops. In the past 20 years the police went from looking like Barney Fife to the Navy Seals, all sub-machine guns and ski masks.
13R1CK4 2 years ago
Well, another good example of this is Cannabis. And Cannabis can't injure you in any way. The FDA is a bunch of idiots, along with ATF, and the majority of Congress. I digress, STOP THE BANNING! LET PEOPLE MAKE THEIR OWN CHOICES!!!!!
renegade2142 2 years ago
they're talking about a FEW ingredients...not all pain killers...there are acetaminophen-free pain killers...like marijuana...
gofudgeyourselfx 2 years ago
As iof these are the only pain killers. Wake up, this is a pharmacuetical company add
realcarboncredits 2 years ago
Look up Dilaudid or Percodan. It makes perfect sense to ban Vicodin and Percocet when safer and more effective painkillers are available. These reasontv guys are clowns!!!!
shahen13 2 years ago
everyone is different and respond to drugs differently. the drugs in question even with the dangers may work better for some than the safer ones. why ban the drugs? make people aware of the dangers and let them decide. i can decide to smoke cogarettes if i want to, and they serve no purpose at all.
inkfool1 2 years ago
first off your a clown...
most people who take medication like vicodin dont get addicted, just a few. And most that do is because they took it willingly to get the high.
next your so called substitutes (Dilaudid/Percodan) cost about 5x more then these drugs there trying to ban. It is more cost effective to provide the drugs and the good that comes from them far outweigh the so-called "RISK of getting liver damage"
duocentrino1 2 years ago
Really? Where are you buying your meds?
shahen13 2 years ago
There are safer drinks than bourbon too, should that be banned as well?
It don't make "perfect sense" to ban anything that responsible adults purchase and use. There is the common misconception that a top-down control strategy is needed to keep people from harming themselves. This nanny state mentality is not only unfair to consumers and hurts the free market, it is oppressive and destroys personal freedom. It does however raise crime, as black markets thrive with prohibition.
kev3d 2 years ago
Reasontv must be another name for all corporate sell-outs gather. There are substitutes available for vicodin and percocet - why is that option never mentioned????
shahen13 2 years ago
because thats not the point of the video...the point is government intervention and how less of it is needed and not more
dirksilver 2 years ago
My step father is addicted to pain killers. Oh well.
I was on paxil, which I promise you is a hundred times more addictive than any of those medications.
I quit cold turkey.
Silvsilvchan 2 years ago
The Feds are a pain.
PaulRevere77381 2 years ago 19
I'm allergic to opiates, so when I get hurt, my medicine is already banned, they WILL come after yours if it is more profitable to ban it.
P.S.
legalize, tax, regulate.
iTellYouNoLie 2 years ago
This just in: Reason completely distorts the FDA position to make a cheap, anti-government propaganda ad.
The only thing hinted at being banned is drug COCKTAILS. As in, if you needed more than one drug, you wouldn't be able to get them mixed in the same pill because enough people are stupid enough to take their cocktail drug + additional acetaminophen.
MarkG45 2 years ago
So you don't think the FDA will later try to make it illegal to prescribe/sell separate pills that add up to the same ingredients as the cocktails? It's clearly a stupid law, and I'm sure there are plenty of warnings that come with Vicodin and Percocet.
HerrSchenkel 2 years ago
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Religious conservatives - check
Gun enthusiasts - check
Anti-Government - check
Anti-reproductive rights for women - check
Al Quida or Republican? Both are hoping for another attack on the US so they can convince moderates of their world view: Hatred is power.
Republicans destroy the budget when they can to 'starve the beast', they don't believe in government and shouldn't be allowed to run it.
jrubin22 2 years ago
Religious conservatives- not all conservatives/libertarians are religious, and even if they are, they don't all use religion as a justification for their legislation.
Gun enthusiasts- conservatives belief in owning weapons for self defense, not spreading relgion
Anti-Government- Muslim extremists are anything but anti-government; they want to implement their own totalitarian Shari'a law.
Anti-reproductive rights for women- just say abortion and not all conservatives are anti-abortion.
HerrSchenkel 2 years ago
I am
Atheist - check
gun enthusiast - check
anti government - governance is good 'til they kick in your door
pro-choice - check
conservative? you bet!
Stereo-typed by progressive liberals - check
perhaps jrubin22 needs to learn about cultural relativism.
Frumibandersnatch 2 years ago
yet you ally yourself w/ the party that wants to take evolution out of public school education and has probably stacked the SC w/ enough Conservatives to deny a 13 year old girl the right to not carry her daddy's child to term after he came home drunk one night? I'm sure having Blackwater enforcing eviction notices for banks will be much more effective when sheriffs start balking at destroying their neighbors' lives.... Interesting culture you got there.
jrubin22 2 years ago
As I said, stereo-typed. Cultural relitivism involves understanding cultural differences first. You obviously don't. You paint up an straw man and then attack it. Sad.
Frumibandersnatch 2 years ago
gimme a break. Under Clinton there was the Million Man Militia worried about Reno's jack-booted thugs and then not a peep from those "patriots" when Bush put the Patriot Act in place and started denying Habeas Corpus (you know, from the Magna Carta, the basis for the Constitution?). Warrant-less wiretaps were fine but now ...ooooo, Obama is a Fascist/Socialist/Communist/foreigner...give - me - a - break.
jrubin22 2 years ago
@jrubin22: I still have a political cartoon of an FBI agent peering through holes cut into the constitution saying "oh yeah, you can see much better this way" I put that up on my fridge right when the patriot act was passed. Again, you clearly don't understand what we're about. Just keep attacking your strawman if it makes you feel better. Would it be right for me to presume that you'd back Reno and Clinton just because you identify with the left? You're right, they were Jack booted thugs
Frumibandersnatch 2 years ago
@jrubin: BTW, it is not tea partiers saying that Obama is a socialist, Its Obama saying that..
So here's Obama in his own words...
watch?v=uDTluWDUBEY
watch?v=2EcmpUHCHkk
Frumibandersnatch 2 years ago
Maybe they were worried about Clinton because he killed a whole bunch of Americans at Ruby Ridge and Waco with tanks and snipers.
And who was denied Habeas Corpus by Bush?
strongbadXCP 2 years ago
The reason MSNBCs ratings are in the toilet..
/watch?v=hIvaEjxZuAA
/watch?v=hMdPTpOyUk4
Frumibandersnatch 2 years ago
wow what an unreasonable video. all they are trying to change is the "combo" problem: people die from acetaminophen because they want the opioid effects for severe pain (or abuse).
It simply gives more control to patients and drs. Perhaps a slight inconvience, but could prevent hundreds of deaths, and that is likely a under-reported number.
But I could be wrong, since the vid doesn't really address the core issue.
YankeeGlacier 2 years ago
@YankeeGlacier
If you're abusing vicodin, then acetaminophen can be dangerous. If you're abusing cough syrup, then the active ingredient can be dangerous. If we end the combination drugs, people will just attempt to take two separate drugs to achieve the same effect.
VictoryCough 2 years ago
"It simply gives more control to patients and drs"
explain this, because logic tells me that telling doctors what they can and cannot prescribe to their patients and what those patients can and cannot ingest is the exact opposite of giving them control...
HerrSchenkel 2 years ago
Great video, people really need to understand what its like for people to go through such pain from an accident and be very thankful that they are in great condition.
LUXBeaker 2 years ago
Good points BUT remember this was brought to you by your local pharmaceutical company... who may lose millions of dollars if someone iimits the use of their drugs..... these are really tough decisions!!!
Pkr 2 years ago
Rush Limbaugh has been on Oxycontin for many, many years. His housekeper brought in 6000 tablets and his 6 doctors each presecribed O for him. He's a happy guy!!!
Pkr 2 years ago
If Obama thinks its not good for you he will either have it banned or tax it so high you wont be able to afford it. The Democrat Party is the party of "screw what you think, we are smarter."
bigdogsdontbark 2 years ago 3
another black market for drug cartels to make a profit from !! of course we will have something far worse to take the place of pain killers like we did when they stopped making diet pills we got crank, meth leave it to the dea to screw something else up
hplanet10 2 years ago
I expect nothing less from the government.
MortuusTyrannus 2 years ago 2
Many people after an initial injury develop chronic pain disorders like complex regional pain syndrome, reflex sympathetic dystrophy, etc. This happens after the injury heals but the central nervous system is still sending pain signals to the body. These people need to be able to take narcotics like a diabetic needs to take insulin. If you don't believe me then google these disorders. Another attempt to ban narcotics is FDA REMS. For info google this.
mersilkee 2 years ago
This is so true. Too many who suffer from chronic pain are not treated or not believed. In todays time of modern medical miracles that should be unheard of! Not to mention the many that can't afford medical treatment a whole big different can of worms. Anyway, my response to this is walk a mile in a persons show who has chronic pain, and then you can comment about this!
jabbwolf 2 years ago
More nanny state nonsense from a government agency that thinks it knows what's best for us.
dudemanbearpig 2 years ago 3
Wasn't it Obama that said it would be cheaper for one to take pain pills than the high cost of healthcare.
if you hurt, fix it, but you can't live you life on pain pills. Then you just become a dope head and can't do simple things without being doped up all the time.
I've seen this played many times. Person fall hurts their shoulder than is on pain pills for the past 30 years.
they can't even eat breakfast without getting high. Not of the pain but being able to live at all.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 2 years ago
you sound like an AA drone. are you broken? are you helpless? are you powerless over the influence of drugs and alcohol? most people aren't as weak as you and the people you know. i broke my wrist and had a laratab perscription guess what, i took them when it hurt and when it was said and done i had some left over. how did that happen?
inkfool1 2 years ago
Because your pain went away some are not so lucky
jabbwolf 2 years ago
i was arguing against the notion that every person that uses pain meds becomes a "dope head". my personal story was meant to show that. i can see how my comment could be interpreted the way you did. yes there are some people who have to live with pain their whole life and i think if they know the risks, they should be able to use drugs to make their time on earth more comfortable.
inkfool1 2 years ago
not true many can work for years and be on pain medicine
jabbwolf 2 years ago
not on my job because they couldn't pass a UA.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 2 years ago
People make fun of videos like this untill it happens to them. I am a CP now IP pain patient. Have had my life ruined because of it and because docs and the public are afraid of the Gov't and DEA when it comes to opiates. Wake up, the statistics are there for all to see, Drugs are the least of this countries problem. Alcohol and tobaccos kill a thousands times more each year and rememeber poverty, Ma ny more people die of hunger?! Thedrug war is about oppression, fear & control!
Frankabq 2 years ago
We should be used to big government media sensationalism. I mean just look at the last decade, the media has tried to (and sometimes succeed) convince us we needed the Patriot Act, the war in Iraq, the stimulus, cap & trade, and the list goes on.
Nonoyawns 2 years ago
lol FDA
KrasnayaArmada 2 years ago
the man in the video said this would be an intensely cruel move. Well, the federal government is intensely cruel and sadistic. it's a law enforcement agency and nothing more. congress writes laws, the executive illegally writes laws and more laws to enforce them and the judiciary throws Americans in prison if they don;t follow the social constructs.
ddsharper 2 years ago
Thanks for rating Bernard and sending this my way. Suck it up and go through physical therapy without using your prescrebed meds. Suck it up. Make it move. Use the pain. Depends on the injury as well and your overall thresh hold for pain.
KevlarFace1 2 years ago
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rachelkeira 2 years ago
Make viagra in powder form to be snorted,by dick heads.
OBAMASTINIAN 2 years ago
The nanny state is out of control !
hobo59 2 years ago 3
Lowest Common Denominator
KnockoffNigeI 2 years ago
Reason is off-base in this video. All the feds are saying is that acetaminophen hurts the liver, and should be replaced with something like ibuprofen or aspirin. Everyone would benefit from the switch, including people in horrible pain as well as hardcore drug addicts.
blogegog 2 years ago
@blogegog
aspirin is a good pain killer. but then did you know that it also causes ulcers in the stomach lining? the small ulcer then will leak gastric acid into the cavity where the other organs are housed. not a very good feeling.
clapikaairen 2 years ago
Yeah, I've heard that. Ibuprofen is also acidic and can do similar things to your stomach. Two points though:
- aspirin and ibuprofen can be buffered or reacted with bases to avoid this problem
- no one is taking vicodin for the Tylenol it contains. You can leave that liver destroying element out of the pill and it will continue to be fantastic at relieving pain. If you really enjoy Tylenol, take them while taking pain killers. But remember, they're not good for your liver.
blogegog 2 years ago 2
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rachelkeira 2 years ago
"Everyone would benefit from the switch" How do you know this? People can have allergies to aspirin and ibuprofen. But even if that wasn't the case, why is it the government's job to dictate THEIR vision of whats right on everyone else? If the government wants to do something, they should stop interfering and simply publish peer reviewed research on the matter which consumers can read if they wish.
kev3d 2 years ago
Great video.
The feds are out of control.
Earn less money so you feed them less via the IRS.
Time for Atlas to Shrug.
freesk8 2 years ago
Homeless people suck.
MagnusIan 2 years ago
I have asthma and the government banned my fast acting abutoral inhaler. because of which, I can't do any strenuous activity (it inflames the asthma) due to the risk if I have an asthma attack I would have no way to stop it myself
missionsminded07 2 years ago
your albuterol inhaler was banned because it was CFC propelled. the fed thinks it's "harmful to the environment". it had nothing to do with the medicine provided. if you have an other attack, perhaps you should pick up your HFA propelled inhaler (same drug) that your doc prescribed for you.
hpso12xu 2 years ago
oh, and by the way. that ban went into effect over a year ago. so, either you are doing just fine with the HFA propelled inhaler, you are using some other drug to control your asthma attacks, or you are lying about the whole thing.
or, if i'm wrong on all those 3, then you haven't had an attack in over a year, then you are doing just fine without meds.
hpso12xu 2 years ago
Constitutionally, the Federal Government has no business, beyond advising the people, to ban anything not directly affecting interstate commerce, and only then when it has a direct effect on that narrow scope of its mandated activity. True, acetaminophen causes liver damage, but the Federal Government is acting outside of the Constitution when it attempts to regulate it. The Government demonstrates its failure, when it resorts to these extra-constitutional social engineering schemes.
g699a 2 years ago 3
2 things:
1- the "American Academy of Pain Medication"? if that doesn't sound like a corp. funded special interest group then i dont know what is! and we're expected to take THEIR study as the Gospel's truth? in this case, Reason has failed to use reliable resource info to support their argument. this is an error i would expect from a democrat, not a libertarian.
2- the odds of a fed ban of pain meds is very unlikely. this is a clear display of fear mongering and paranoia.
'nuf said.
hpso12xu 2 years ago
@hpso12xu Actually, AAPM is a legitimate group for an ever growing medical field. You, like so many people, have been duped to believe that those of us that suffer from chronic pain are just addicts and hypochondriacs. To deny our existence and then deny us our needed medical treatment is akin to denying the existence of diabetes and then denying them insulin. How cruel. And yes, our government already demonizes us and limits the availability of medications.
TracyII77 2 years ago
"AAPM is a legitimate group"
...would you like me to give you a list of their corporate contributors? how about if i tell you that they all manufacture your pain meds? no "advocacy" group will release a study that damages their funders.
"You, like so many people, have been duped to believe that those of us that suffer from chronic pain are just addicts and hypochondriacs"
.... that's funny. i don't remember saying that. in fact, I DIDN'T. read more carefully.
hpso12xu 2 years ago
@hpso12xu I don't care about their corporate contributors. And how would you be able to tell me who manufactures my pain meds when I haven't even told you what pain meds I'm on?
And your comment to the asthmatic proves how little about medicine you really know. Asthmatics don't go around in perpetual asthmatic attacks. It only takes one attack to kill someone. I average an attack about once every two years or so. And yes, the government does ban pain meds.
TracyII77 2 years ago
Quite frankly, what does it matter who advocates for me, since I have a legitimate health problem? What do you have against those with chronic pain?
TracyII77 2 years ago
as far as number 2 goes I think you underestimate the stupidity of our current government
monkeyfire087 2 years ago
I don't know how correct my source is, but you need to take really high doses of that stuff for it to be dangerous. Something like 2000mg a day. Anything is dangerous if you have too much of it. Too much water can kill you for Christ's sake! This is just another case of a bunch of feds getting their jollies banning something in which the only real threat is perceived. My back hurts so I'm gonna go take some Tylenol PM before the FDA takes it away.
HeadTater 2 years ago
You can have my Tylenol and my NyQuil when you take it from my cold dead hands!
But I won't have died from acetaminophen liver failure. That's for sure.
HeadTater 2 years ago
Do I understand correctly? Opiates that contain acetaminophen are to be banned, but opiates without acetaminophen (such as hydrocodone) are to be prescribed?
Great, I say; eliminate the liver-destroying acetaminophen; prescribe straight opiates.
violetfae0 2 years ago 2
Now why should that decision be up to the government instead of say, a doctor?
FatherTime89 2 years ago
You're right, it shouldn't be the governments decision. I don't know why they pretend to care about public health.
violetfae0 2 years ago 5
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violetfae0 2 years ago
No, we shouldn't ban pools or stairs.
or was that a rhetorical question?
El3ctricPenguin 2 years ago
i tend to agree with the point of view that that move was a bad one, but i do not understand is why are they pulling the prescription stuff. as for the over the counter, i can respect pulling that because honestly it is understandable for the FDA to try new things, and if it does little to nothing, then i guess they should find who are getting them, and abusing them. well that would be too easy wouldn't it.
wolfv22 2 years ago
"Government does everything at the point of a gun." - Harry Browne
Gov violates the non-aggression principle in all of its actions (taxation is coerced).
Isn't it time to start considering whether this immoral system of organizing society we call government is appropriate?
Empirically, government has grown every decade since its inception. Since day 1. It's unlikely to change course. Even if it does it will just grow again.
The problem is systemic. No reform can solve the issue.
furyofbongos 2 years ago
White-haired wolfman is right. Addiction rates are low compared to the suffering caused by denying people the medication.
ghuegel 2 years ago 3
400 people die per year from acetaminophen overdose? I don't believe that. My understanding is that people who try to kill themselves by taking tylenol just get an enormous stomach ache.
Beethovens7th 2 years ago
I'm growing ever more scared of the "should we ban X as well arguments", because I think they will, they will ultimately do it. They will ban life because it is too dangerous.
Visfen 2 years ago
People don't kill people; pools and stairs kill people. Here's to banning these evil devices forever!
d0861 2 years ago
typical govt response punish everyone because a few cannot be responsible.
Punishing irresponsible people would have been my idea but I'm not as smart as the govt the govt knows that none of us can be trusted with anything that might harm us because none of us can be held accountable for our own mistakes according to the lawyers
getnick77 2 years ago
i say drugs not being dangerous is even beside the point... if someone wants to take addictive drugs consciously knowing all the risks and dangers involved, then he or she has every personal right to without interfere from the government...
AgentOrange04 2 years ago
... So would I like to live Curled up in a ball on the floor with tears streaming down my face for the rest of my life? I haven't had a girlfriend in 9 years. I'm 32 and missed out on my 20's. Now, because of the pain meds I take, without the tylenol and liver damage added, I have a CHANCE at a normal life. A CHANCE. I thank GOD every day for Him allowing me to have this MIRACLE. At one point, I could not drink water without agony and was down to 124 lbs. I am 5'10". I hate to say this...
CHRISTISLORD77 2 years ago
I live with pancreatitis and Chronic pain. It is constant. I have been to every hospital in New York City including Columbia Prez., as well as the the Mayo Clinic and countless doctors all throughout new York, New Jersey and even as far as Boston. I have tried every remedy that does not include pain medications, but they just don't work. I have been through Pain Management therapy. I have had 2 surgeries. I still live with this horrible pain that makes me curl up in a ball on the floor....
CHRISTISLORD77 2 years ago
There is no added value to combining acetaminophen with narcotic pain killers. The acetaminophen is so weak compared to the narcotic that you won't notice any difference in symptom relief. So it is added toxicity with NO added benefit. Acetaminophen can be taken separately if desired. It is cheap an readily available. Reason is usually on the money. But this piece is EXTREMELY misleading.
neechee1 2 years ago
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rachelkeira 2 years ago
Remember, it's not so much that you could get addicted, it's the damage caused by the non-addictive components they are worried about. They don't mind you high as long as you aren't dealing with liver failure... stupid.
You don't make rules for everyone based on what the marginal idiots do. We dont live our lives in boundaries designed for crazy people. Therefore, we don't get rid of drugs useful to 99 of us because 1 person is a screw up.
And why is YouTube so ^%$&ing slow downloading!!!
VengerDFW 2 years ago