I believe the woman that uploaded these videos, “myurbanwild”, is Ceiridwen Terrill. I just finished reading her book “Part Wild” which led me to her website "myurbanwild", which led me to these videos.
In her research she traveled to Siberia to see these foxes for herself. I believe that’s where this footage came from. For more information about this experiment go to Wikipedia and search for "domesticated silver fox" or check out the "myurbanwild" website.
The difference is that dogs have been tame for tens of thousands of years. These foxes just look timid and fearful - not a good combination in a pet. Also how would you know you got a tame one? Remember the pot belly pig fad? A lot of people just sold a regular pig, and called it a tiny pot belly pig. And then people were panicking when the pig grew huge and tall...
@SuperStarsNStripes You obviously don't know anything about this breeding program, nor can you properly read the fox's emotional reactions. These foxes have been proven to be safe enough to be allowed into the home and live around children. The ferocity foxes can display has been bred out of them, generation after generation, and these are now in very much the same state that the domesticated dog is in (compared to the wolves they came from). Please learn before emoting.
@SuperStarsNStripes Look up the word "emote". You emoted. Also, dogs didn't evolve. They're simply the result of more amiable wolves breeding with one another, producing offspring that, one generation after another, were even more amiable. How long do you think it takes? Are you an expert? These people are. The foxes are domesticated. As for being rude, I wasn't, and by falsely saying I was because I pointed out your error, you were.
@hakavon I know what "emote" means. You're doing it right now. ;-) You do realize that here, all opinions are equal, right? You say something but have no proof to back any of it up. I am suspicious why you are getting so angry about a simple you tube opinion. Do you profit from this group that keeps beautiful animals in tiny wire cages and sells them at an enormous profit?? Hmm. I wonder. By "evolve" I meant evolve to cohabitate tamely with us. By "rude" I meant your tone, and it STILL is. Bye.
@valeriacenergyarmor Will some of you just stop harassing me. Let others have their opinion. It seems you are way out of line angry about a you tube comment. You make yourself seem suspicious. Now stop insulting me. This is ridiculous.
@SuperStarsNStripes Your opinion is in error and uninformed. Why don't you let these people and their wonderful efforts alone, and stop harassing THEM and those who recognize the beauty of what they've accomplished? As a side point, I do find the cages too small, but if you visit an animal shelter animals of that size, sadly, are housed in cages about that size.
@hakavon So if you have no connection how do you know their claim is the truth - to the extent that you harass me on you tube, over my one original comment, while you are using TWO different names. But yet you lose your control and reply with things the first person said, so you're obviously the same person. You are behaving way out of bounds, I guess you don't realize that. This will be my last post to you. You give no 'proof' just harassing post after post, this is becoming scary LEAVE ME BE.
@SuperStarsNStripes I have no connection to this group, but do find it amazing that they've managed to produce an animal that's as domesticated and safe as the dog from the fox, repeating what happened so long ago with the wolf. As for it taking a long time in the case of the wolf, the evidence is that it doesn't take that long to produce a version of the animal that can safely cohabitate with us. My tone at no time has been rude, but serious. Yours has been otherwise.
@SuperStarsNStripes Well, you claimed you weren't emoting, and yet you were. As for myself, I wasn't. I was addressing your emotionally charged error. As for opinions, they have to be based on fact, not ignorance, or they should be corrected. If you'd like proof to support my point, maybe you should do what I did, namely check out the facts before expressing myself. Funny you said "angry" in reference to me, since you're the only one getting upset here.
Wish there were a genetically tame breeding program in the Americas...none that I know of. It is curious that people are so up-in-arms over more people-friendly strains being selectively bred, yet nobody has a problem with people who have dogs or cats as pets...hi, these things were all wild once - now they have become our companions. Had we never done this with wolves, guess what? No domestic dogs would exist. No domestic cats would exist. They didn't EVOLVE to be people-friendly...
Its like this, evolution is a steady process which can take up 1000s of years for a new species to develope. What they are doing here is speeding the process which destroys the true process of evolution.
@latindrummer777 Silly statement. Next you'll be telling people to release all domesticated dogs into the wild and let nature take its course because someone deliberately bred the shapes, sizes, and skills/instincts the various breeds have.
@latindrummer777 Due the generation of breeding, that may actually be "crueler" then being "kept as pets" because inability to hunt for them selves as a wild born fox could do.
The silver foxes inhabiting the institution labeled as "tame/or domestic" would have lost most of their natural ability to survive, such as animals like polar bear in zoos.
The dog was also wild ,but thousand of years of breeding made it human compatible.It's like saying let your dog go live with wild dogs.
@latindrummer777 the animals seen in this video are by no means "wild". They have been selectively bred to be docile, tame, and domesticated. Like breeding dogs from wolves. This is an experiment that has been going on for over 50 years. These foxes can no longer take care of themselves and are no longer the same as wild foxes. Being kept as pets is kind of what these particular foxes were born for.
people are completely confused. So many opinions by no experienced it is sad. Selective breeding can and does create domestic animals in the sense intended. Where do you think Dogs came from?
My fox was a random wild fox from a random breeder. While raising her it wsnt all shits and cherries. I did learn how they learn from youth. Like wolves, when they mis behaive their parents bite their ears. As she did mine at first when we had disagrements. Sorry grandma just died and kinda drunk right now.
@sum0f1 my fox is with me because she chooses to, not because she feels she has to, I take care of her, and she tries to take care of me, thats all that matters.
it is alot more bs than my methods, I am not tring to change the species or have them them adapt to people, or forcefully, I am just trying to undo the centuries of torment people brought apon them. I mean I hold no grudge, or any of that shit, if you want a tame fox that dosent look like a fox, devoted to you, than go for it. I am not trying to start shit, just trying to tell and show the truth through my videos I post.
just replying to the vid. I could hate but I am not, all I have to do is show the truth with my videos, and tired of telling the world I do not edit. the truth is what it is, believe it or not.
@sum0f1 I think what effigyoflight meant was to compare a wolf (the wild version, in this case your fox) and a dog (domesticated and bred to tameness).
A wild fox kept from young age can be just as good companion as a bred fox! Just their character might be a bit different. A tame fox is bred to be as tame as they get, as in more like dogs to wolves.
These foxes started actually having "tame characteristics" which are white markings on face and feet, their ears started folding and tails curled.
You all can genetically try to make foxes people friendly, but i can do it with the wild animal it self. all your genetics is bullshit. I have a wild fox raised her from a kit, she barks and wines and tells me or shows me what she wants, even wags the shit out of her tail when she sees me. I would wager her V.S. anyone of your so called tame foxes any time.
@sum0f1 Actually if you watch the videos it doesn't refute what you're saying at all. When it's all in the genetics what that means is that tame non aggressive foxes come from aggressive parents and vice versa. If these foxes were saved from certain death on a fur farm, I don't disapprove of the study. The handlers seem to try and care for these animals as best as they can. I disagree with the size of the cage, but if their only other option is certain cruel death, this is far better...
IF they're being saved from a fur farm, then yes, this is probably much better for them. It's still not good, but in the fur farm they probably had it a lot worse.
Those tiny cages are inhumane! This is like a puppy mill for foxes. Terrible conditions. Yes, the cages are clean, but way too small. Do they even get out for exercise?
@myurbanwild People also failed to realize that if it wasnt for our ancestors (before the time of written history) they needed a fast animal to chase prey for them, thus they got wolves to get close to the camp and eventually the wolves became domesticated. Its a natural process, there is nothing experimental about it. Farms like these just take out the benign elements (instead of tailored for survival of the tribe, they are tailored as personel pets)
These foxes are not wild. They are genetically tame animals that have been bred in captivity for more than 50 years. Laws regarding ownership of exotic species vary (This fox would be considered exotic in several places).
This video and the others of the foxes were all taken in Russia. This is not a fur farm. It is the site of Dmitry K. Belyaev's domestication experiment with the silver fox.
@myurbanwild i saw this in a nat geo book and said they took like 150 foxes from a fur farm, genetically bred them to be tame and they ended up having curly ears, less bones in their tail that became curly also.
SO CUTE SO CUTE SO CUTE.
sherifam 1 week ago
I believe the woman that uploaded these videos, “myurbanwild”, is Ceiridwen Terrill. I just finished reading her book “Part Wild” which led me to her website "myurbanwild", which led me to these videos.
In her research she traveled to Siberia to see these foxes for herself. I believe that’s where this footage came from. For more information about this experiment go to Wikipedia and search for "domesticated silver fox" or check out the "myurbanwild" website.
MurphyDogRocksinMD 2 weeks ago
The difference is that dogs have been tame for tens of thousands of years. These foxes just look timid and fearful - not a good combination in a pet. Also how would you know you got a tame one? Remember the pot belly pig fad? A lot of people just sold a regular pig, and called it a tiny pot belly pig. And then people were panicking when the pig grew huge and tall...
SuperStarsNStripes 1 month ago
@SuperStarsNStripes You obviously don't know anything about this breeding program, nor can you properly read the fox's emotional reactions. These foxes have been proven to be safe enough to be allowed into the home and live around children. The ferocity foxes can display has been bred out of them, generation after generation, and these are now in very much the same state that the domesticated dog is in (compared to the wolves they came from). Please learn before emoting.
hakavon 1 month ago
@hakavon I didn't emote anything. You are rude. It's called an opinion. Dogs evolved over thousands of years not 20.
SuperStarsNStripes 1 month ago
@SuperStarsNStripes Look up the word "emote". You emoted. Also, dogs didn't evolve. They're simply the result of more amiable wolves breeding with one another, producing offspring that, one generation after another, were even more amiable. How long do you think it takes? Are you an expert? These people are. The foxes are domesticated. As for being rude, I wasn't, and by falsely saying I was because I pointed out your error, you were.
hakavon 1 month ago
@hakavon I know what "emote" means. You're doing it right now. ;-) You do realize that here, all opinions are equal, right? You say something but have no proof to back any of it up. I am suspicious why you are getting so angry about a simple you tube opinion. Do you profit from this group that keeps beautiful animals in tiny wire cages and sells them at an enormous profit?? Hmm. I wonder. By "evolve" I meant evolve to cohabitate tamely with us. By "rude" I meant your tone, and it STILL is. Bye.
SuperStarsNStripes 4 weeks ago
@SuperStarsNStripes well actually they're barely breaking even.
dramaticpaus 4 weeks ago
@SuperStarsNStripes Get yourself educated. /watch?v=YbcwDXhugjw You and the others who don't do research first before making a fool of themselves.
valeriacenergyarmor 3 weeks ago
@valeriacenergyarmor Will some of you just stop harassing me. Let others have their opinion. It seems you are way out of line angry about a you tube comment. You make yourself seem suspicious. Now stop insulting me. This is ridiculous.
SuperStarsNStripes 3 weeks ago
@SuperStarsNStripes Your opinion is in error and uninformed. Why don't you let these people and their wonderful efforts alone, and stop harassing THEM and those who recognize the beauty of what they've accomplished? As a side point, I do find the cages too small, but if you visit an animal shelter animals of that size, sadly, are housed in cages about that size.
hakavon 3 weeks ago
@hakavon So if you have no connection how do you know their claim is the truth - to the extent that you harass me on you tube, over my one original comment, while you are using TWO different names. But yet you lose your control and reply with things the first person said, so you're obviously the same person. You are behaving way out of bounds, I guess you don't realize that. This will be my last post to you. You give no 'proof' just harassing post after post, this is becoming scary LEAVE ME BE.
SuperStarsNStripes 3 weeks ago
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hakavon 3 weeks ago
@SuperStarsNStripes I have no connection to this group, but do find it amazing that they've managed to produce an animal that's as domesticated and safe as the dog from the fox, repeating what happened so long ago with the wolf. As for it taking a long time in the case of the wolf, the evidence is that it doesn't take that long to produce a version of the animal that can safely cohabitate with us. My tone at no time has been rude, but serious. Yours has been otherwise.
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@SuperStarsNStripes Well, you claimed you weren't emoting, and yet you were. As for myself, I wasn't. I was addressing your emotionally charged error. As for opinions, they have to be based on fact, not ignorance, or they should be corrected. If you'd like proof to support my point, maybe you should do what I did, namely check out the facts before expressing myself. Funny you said "angry" in reference to me, since you're the only one getting upset here.
hakavon 3 weeks ago
Wish there were a genetically tame breeding program in the Americas...none that I know of. It is curious that people are so up-in-arms over more people-friendly strains being selectively bred, yet nobody has a problem with people who have dogs or cats as pets...hi, these things were all wild once - now they have become our companions. Had we never done this with wolves, guess what? No domestic dogs would exist. No domestic cats would exist. They didn't EVOLVE to be people-friendly...
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TheBarnette08 1 month ago
Its like this, evolution is a steady process which can take up 1000s of years for a new species to develope. What they are doing here is speeding the process which destroys the true process of evolution.
latindrummer777 2 months ago
@latindrummer777 Silly statement. Next you'll be telling people to release all domesticated dogs into the wild and let nature take its course because someone deliberately bred the shapes, sizes, and skills/instincts the various breeds have.
hakavon 1 month ago
These animals are wild animals they shouldn't be kept as pets. Let them live with their own kind !
latindrummer777 2 months ago
@latindrummer777 Due the generation of breeding, that may actually be "crueler" then being "kept as pets" because inability to hunt for them selves as a wild born fox could do.
The silver foxes inhabiting the institution labeled as "tame/or domestic" would have lost most of their natural ability to survive, such as animals like polar bear in zoos.
The dog was also wild ,but thousand of years of breeding made it human compatible.It's like saying let your dog go live with wild dogs.
AFadedThought 2 months ago
@AFadedThought Still I would not approve of this
latindrummer777 2 months ago
@latindrummer777 I wouldn't as well.
AFadedThought 2 months ago
@latindrummer777 the animals seen in this video are by no means "wild". They have been selectively bred to be docile, tame, and domesticated. Like breeding dogs from wolves. This is an experiment that has been going on for over 50 years. These foxes can no longer take care of themselves and are no longer the same as wild foxes. Being kept as pets is kind of what these particular foxes were born for.
XxCuRsEdExIsTeNcExX 2 months ago
@XxCuRsEdExIsTeNcExX hmmm
latindrummer777 2 months ago
people are completely confused. So many opinions by no experienced it is sad. Selective breeding can and does create domestic animals in the sense intended. Where do you think Dogs came from?
weykooey 2 months ago 19
There is no such thing as genetically tame, it is the upbringing of the offspring that creates animals that are "wild."
kjnsprep 2 months ago
My fox was a random wild fox from a random breeder. While raising her it wsnt all shits and cherries. I did learn how they learn from youth. Like wolves, when they mis behaive their parents bite their ears. As she did mine at first when we had disagrements. Sorry grandma just died and kinda drunk right now.
sum0f1 2 months ago
@sum0f1 my fox is with me because she chooses to, not because she feels she has to, I take care of her, and she tries to take care of me, thats all that matters.
sum0f1 2 months ago
it is alot more bs than my methods, I am not tring to change the species or have them them adapt to people, or forcefully, I am just trying to undo the centuries of torment people brought apon them. I mean I hold no grudge, or any of that shit, if you want a tame fox that dosent look like a fox, devoted to you, than go for it. I am not trying to start shit, just trying to tell and show the truth through my videos I post.
sum0f1 2 months ago
just replying to the vid. I could hate but I am not, all I have to do is show the truth with my videos, and tired of telling the world I do not edit. the truth is what it is, believe it or not.
sum0f1 3 months ago
if you think i do not know the differences between a fox, or wolf, my fox is a first generation fox, and talk about it in some videos.
sum0f1 3 months ago
@sum0f1 I think what effigyoflight meant was to compare a wolf (the wild version, in this case your fox) and a dog (domesticated and bred to tameness).
A wild fox kept from young age can be just as good companion as a bred fox! Just their character might be a bit different. A tame fox is bred to be as tame as they get, as in more like dogs to wolves.
These foxes started actually having "tame characteristics" which are white markings on face and feet, their ears started folding and tails curled.
lightheartedVIII 3 months ago
You should probably direct your comments to the experimenters in Russia. This video was taken during one of my visits to their facility.
myurbanwild 3 months ago
You all can genetically try to make foxes people friendly, but i can do it with the wild animal it self. all your genetics is bullshit. I have a wild fox raised her from a kit, she barks and wines and tells me or shows me what she wants, even wags the shit out of her tail when she sees me. I would wager her V.S. anyone of your so called tame foxes any time.
sum0f1 3 months ago
@sum0f1 You obviously have no idea about the difference between a wolf and a dog.
effigyoflight 3 months ago
@sum0f1 Actually if you watch the videos it doesn't refute what you're saying at all. When it's all in the genetics what that means is that tame non aggressive foxes come from aggressive parents and vice versa. If these foxes were saved from certain death on a fur farm, I don't disapprove of the study. The handlers seem to try and care for these animals as best as they can. I disagree with the size of the cage, but if their only other option is certain cruel death, this is far better...
SCeles 2 months ago
@SCeles
IF they're being saved from a fur farm, then yes, this is probably much better for them. It's still not good, but in the fur farm they probably had it a lot worse.
kives1985 2 months ago
@sum0f1 Genetics is no more bullshit than your method, sir.
chrisherself 2 months ago
did the same thing, with a first generation red fox, shes my baby
sum0f1 3 months ago
I love how rapidly he sniffs, it's so funny!
Samouflage 3 months ago
I can only comment based on my observations while visiting.
myurbanwild 3 months ago
Hello. Thank you for commenting. Exercise is limited.
myurbanwild 3 months ago
Those tiny cages are inhumane! This is like a puppy mill for foxes. Terrible conditions. Yes, the cages are clean, but way too small. Do they even get out for exercise?
Latigresa81 3 months ago
Many people get upset by this experiment.
myurbanwild 3 months ago
@myurbanwild People also failed to realize that if it wasnt for our ancestors (before the time of written history) they needed a fast animal to chase prey for them, thus they got wolves to get close to the camp and eventually the wolves became domesticated. Its a natural process, there is nothing experimental about it. Farms like these just take out the benign elements (instead of tailored for survival of the tribe, they are tailored as personel pets)
SamTheDragon31 3 months ago
this is cruel raising these animals in tiny cages in captivity so upsetting what we do to animals for science
Jaflar1212 3 months ago
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are they the same as having a dog?
jeannette84xx 3 months ago
These foxes are not wild. They are genetically tame animals that have been bred in captivity for more than 50 years. Laws regarding ownership of exotic species vary (This fox would be considered exotic in several places).
myurbanwild 3 months ago 3
Does these foxes count as wild? In my country it's illegal to have a ''wild'' fox as pet. But if these don't I'd be glad to get one some day. :D
Please answer :)
FelixErikson 3 months ago
This video and the others of the foxes were all taken in Russia. This is not a fur farm. It is the site of Dmitry K. Belyaev's domestication experiment with the silver fox.
myurbanwild 4 months ago 9
@myurbanwild i thought the invidivudals came from farm stock? but now they 'make them' there.
so strange, how tame they got, and so fast.
but the fennic kind don't.
kuwaizair 4 months ago
@myurbanwild I read about this in National Geographic. I want one so bad, but I can't afford one.
Segasaturn95 4 months ago
@myurbanwild i saw this in a nat geo book and said they took like 150 foxes from a fur farm, genetically bred them to be tame and they ended up having curly ears, less bones in their tail that became curly also.
gregm2476 3 months ago
This video and the others of the foxes were all taken in Russia.
myurbanwild 4 months ago
Was this taken in Russia or America?
Zolz9000 4 months ago
Foxes are sort of like a dog/cat
296192001 4 months ago
No, this is not a fur farm. Check out the book PART WILD for further description of the foxes. Available on Amazon October 11th.
myurbanwild 4 months ago
@myurbanwild what is it? there are thousands of foxes. are they going to sell them to children? i don't think so.
darkhorni 4 months ago
is this a fur factory?
Wisc0Fish 4 months ago
@Wisc0Fish These foxes are worth far too much to kill for fur!
livingsocks 4 months ago